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Speaker 1: Imagine this moment, I mean really picture it. You're lying

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bed at home, and all the noises of the room,

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the hum of the ac the distant traffic, they just

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start to fade out right. Your vision blurs at the edges.

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It turns into this tunnel and then here snap, the

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screen goes black. The heart stops beating, the brain flickers,

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it's very last electrical impulse and just powers down.

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Speaker 2: And what happens then?

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Speaker 1: What happens in that exact second? Is it a game overscreen?

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Is it a new game plus? Or I don't know.

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Are you suddenly standing in a line at the DMVA

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waiting to fill out a form.

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Speaker 2: It is the single most universal question in human history,

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isn't it?

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Speaker 1: It has to be.

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Speaker 2: It's the one cliffhanger we all have to face eventually.

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I mean, every culture, every civilization, every single person who

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has ever lived has stared into that abyss and tried

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to sketch a map of what's on the other side.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, looking at the research we

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have laid out for some of those maps are absolutely wild.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're incredible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about stuff that makes science fiction

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look frankly boring.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to thrilling threads. Today. We are pulling on

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perhaps the biggest thread of them all, the terrifying, the bureaucratic,

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and sometimes the just downright bizarre theories of the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: It's just so fascinating because when you really look at

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the global landscape of belief, and this is based on

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this comprehensive analysis of theological and mythological records we've been reviewing,

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you don't just see the standard heaven and hell binary

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that most of us are used to. Yeah, you see.

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You see rental agreements for your body. You see houses

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filled with sentient razors, razors, You see intricate legal proceedings

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with celestial court reporters taking notes. Y.

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Speaker 2: Our mission today is to react to these wildest concepts,

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from the hard stop of existence to these cosmic obstacle

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courses that sound like American Ninja Warrior designed in a nightmare,

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the very dark nightmare.

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Speaker 1: We want to find the common threads of human hope

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and let's be honest, human fear that run through all

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of these. We are looking at a massive collection of

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research today that breaks down these global beliefs. So buckle up.

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Speaker 2: It is going to be quite a journey. And we're

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going to move through these threads not just randomly, but

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by theme, because you'll start to see that humanity tends

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to organize death in very specific ways. We crave structure

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even in the great unknown.

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Speaker 1: Right, And the first thing we really need to unpack

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is this idea the hard stop versus the waiting room.

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This is where things get really binary. You either cease

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to exist entirely or you're put in a holding.

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Speaker 2: Pattern, a cosmic holding pattern.

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Speaker 1: And we have to start with the Jehovah's Witnesses. Now

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I have to admit this one.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

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Speaker 1: This one keeps me up at night a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's a very distinct take on the soul. I think

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most people, even if they aren't religious, they have this

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sort of cultural osmosis idea that the soul is a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a misty thing.

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Speaker 2: A misty, transparent thing that floats out of the body

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when you die. It's like Casper the friendly ghost, you know.

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Jehovah's Witnesses reject that completely.

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Speaker 1: The source material we're looking at uses this great analogy

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that I really want to dig into. They view the

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soul not as a ghost, but as a battery. Can

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we break that down?

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Speaker 2: Sure, Think of a child's toy, a robot that walks

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and talks and lights up. Okay, when the battery is in,

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the robot has life, It moves, it has a personality

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of a sort. It interacts with the world. But if

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you take the battery out, where did the movement go,

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Speaker 1: It didn't go anywhere. It just stopped. Exactly, The robot

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Speaker 2: Now precisely in this theology, the spirit isn't a separate

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entity that lives inside you. It is the spark of

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life that animates the body, the electricity. When the body dies,

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the batteries removed, the electricity dissipates. You don't float up

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to the ceiling and watch your own funeral.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly grounded in a way, and also tear finally,

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is actually Greek philosophy, you know Plato and Socrates that

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crept into Christianity. Much later on they say it's not biblical.

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Speaker 1: So it's like the deepest sleep imaginable. Like, yeah, no dreams,

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no sense of time passing, nothing exactly, just off, which

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you're just really tired of existing, that's a very clean break.

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But here's the kicker. It's not permanent for everyone. Yea.

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The source describes it like God saving your file to

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a supernatural USB drive.

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Speaker 2: That's a great modern way to put it, but it's

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very accurate to their theology. The belief is in a

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future resurrection, God remembers you, your data, your personality, your memories,

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your specific genetic code.

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Speaker 1: He keeps a backup, saves your file, and at.

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Speaker 2: The appointed time he can download that data back into

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a brand new, perfect body.

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Speaker 1: So it's a full restoration from the cloud.

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has passed at all. You closed your eyes in death,

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and you open them in the resurrection. But here is

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the scary part. For anyone who isn't on the list,

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Speaker 1: Then nothing as hell.

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Speaker 2: Correct. We often think of hell as you know, fire

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and brimstone, torture demons with pitchforks.

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Speaker 1: Right, the classic Dante's Inferno.

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Speaker 2: But in this theology, hell or Shiel or Hades as

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it's called in the original Picks is just the common

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grave of mankind. It is the state of non existence.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a place of torment, it's just the

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off switch exactly.

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Speaker 2: The source makes a really interesting point that even your

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sweet grandma who baked cookies and never heard her soul,

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she goes there. Initially, she's just gone.

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Speaker 1: But if you're unrepentant, if you're considered wicked, you don't

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get the USB drive treatment. Your file doesn't get saved.

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Speaker 2: That is the implication. If God chooses not to remember you,

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or if you are judged unworthy of resurrection during the

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final judgment, you stayed eleted permanently. It's a permanent game

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over and there's no suffering, but there is no life,

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just nothing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is a high stake storage solution. It really

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puts all the pressure on this life. You have to

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earn that backup.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely does, and it creates a very specific social dynamic.

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good goes to Heaven. It's a big open invitation, but

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the witnesses have a strict capacity limit on the VIP lounge.

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Speaker 1: The one hundred and forty four thousand, I've always been

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so confused by this. Is that a symbolic number.

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hundred and forty four thousand anointed individuals are chosen from

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all of human history to go to Heaven and rule

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as co kings and priests alongside Jesus Christ.

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millions of Jehovah's witnesses today.

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Speaker 2: Millions, Yeah, not to.

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Speaker 1: Mention all the ones who have lived and died in

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So the acceptance rate to heaven is I mean, it's

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worse than getting into Harvard. It's statistically minuscule.

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Speaker 2: It is incredibly exclusive, which means for ninety nine point

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nine percent of faithful believers what they call the Great

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Cloud of Witnesses, the goal isn't heaven at all. They

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don't want to go up there.

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Speaker 1: Their hope is Earth, a paradise Earth. Yes.

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Speaker 2: The vision is that after armageddon. After the reset, the

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earth is restored to an idenic paradise. No sickness, no death,

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Lions are cuddling with lambs. That whole picture. You live

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forever in a perfect physical body right here.

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Speaker 1: So it's the ultimate work from home setup. You don't

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have to commute to the clouds. You just make your

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own backyard perfect. Yeah. Can I can actually see the

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appeal of that. It's very tangible.

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Speaker 2: It is very tangible. But let's pivot from that. That's

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the hard stop. Now, let's look at the waiting room.

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We have to talk about Catholicism because if you grew

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up Catholic, or know anyone who did, you know the

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waiting room concept very very well. It's called purgatory.

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Speaker 1: Ah, purgatory the cosmic DMV, the place where you take

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a number and you just wait. But it's not just

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sitting around reading old magazines from nineteen eighty seven, is it.

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Speaker 2: No? No, it's much more active than that. Purgatory is

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essentially a cosmic purification center. The source material we have

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compares it to a wash.

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Speaker 1: Cycle, the spiritual launderment.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. The idea is that you might be saved.

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You're on the team. You're not going to hell, but

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you're not ready for the big game yet. You're not

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ready for the pristine environment of heaven.

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Speaker 1: You're too dirty for the clean room exactly.

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Speaker 2: You have what are called venial sins, or unhealthy attachments

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to the world. Maybe you're a bit greedy, or you

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car a little too much. These things need to be

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Speaker 1: Perfect God, the cosmic shower. Okay, but what's fascinating here

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and what the research points out are the mechanics of it.

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It's not just you suffering in isolation. The living can

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actually hack the system for you.

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Speaker 2: The communion of saints. This is a profound and beautiful

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concept in many ways. It suggests that the spiritual ecosystem

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connects the living, the dead, and the saints in heaven.

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If you're impurgatory, your family on earth can offer prayers,

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have masses said for you, or do good works in

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Speaker 2: It is it's like a GoFundMe for your soul.

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Speaker 2: In a way, yes, it empowers the living to actively

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pain in purgatory isn't punishment for fun. It's not retributive.

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sixteenth put it, capable of God.

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Speaker 1: You're burning off the parts of you that just can't

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exist in a perfect heaven. Precisely now, speaking of Catholic

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waiting rooms, we have to touch on Limbo because this

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is just a wild bit of theological and bureaucratic trauma.

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Limbo was where unbaptized babies are you know, good heathens wind,

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no pain, but you couldn't see God.

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Speaker 2: Limbo was fascinating because it highlights how theology evolves over time.

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a head canon, if you.

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Speaker 1: Will, a popular fan theory exactly.

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Speaker 2: It was a fan theory created to solve a problem.

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What happens to an innocent baby who dies without being baptized?

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Speaker 1: Right the rules of the game say no baptism, no heaven,

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but saying a baby goes to hell just seems monstrous.

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Speaker 2: It's a horrible thought. So they couldn't say hell, but

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they couldn't technically say heaven either, So they invented limbo,

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a place of perfect natural happiness, but without the beatific

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vision of God. It was a theological loophole.

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Speaker 1: But then in two thousand and seven, the church basically

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canceled the show.

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Speaker 2: This off canceled it. Yes, the International Theological Commission released

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a document that effectively said, look, we have hope that

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God's mercy is big enough to handle this without a

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special waiting room. So limbo went from a widely accepted

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Speaker 2: It really shows how even the geography of the afterlife

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can sh shift based on our understanding of mercy and justice.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, now let's move on to Islam. Yeah, this isnt

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the sleeping state, and it's not exactly purgatory either. It

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starts with an interrogation.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the most vivid and thrilling descriptions

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in all of our threads today. In Islamic tradition, death

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is a very active, high stress process. It begins with Asrael,

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the angel.

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Speaker 1: Of death, the ultimate hr rep, coming to clock you

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out for good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but the real thriller aspect, as you said, begins

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in the grave itself. This stage is called barzak. You

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aren't just lying there waiting for judgment day. You are

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visited by two angels, Moukar and neck Heir, and.

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Speaker 1: They're not there to fluff your pillow or ask if

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you want to make.

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Speaker 2: They are there for a pop quiz, a very high

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stakes oral exam. The tradition says, they sit you up

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in your grave and ask you three fundamental questions. Who

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is your Lord? Who is your prophet? What is your faith?

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Speaker 1: And you can't just cram for this test, right, You

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can't just memorize the answers the night before you die.

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Speaker 2: Is the belief your soul has to know it. It

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has to be imprinted on your very spirit through a

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lifetime of genuine belief. In practice. If you answer correctly,

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your grave expands, it fills with light, and it becomes

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a window to paradise. You get to rest in peace

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until the resurrection. But if you fail, if you fail

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or hesitate, the source describes the grave becoming a medieval

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torture dungeon. The earth constricts around you, crushing a ribs.

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It is a terrifying prospect of what comes before the

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final judgment.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the waiting room. Then comes judgment day

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and the Serrat Bridge. I cannot get this image out

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of my head. A bridge over hell.

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Speaker 2: A tight rope. Really. The descriptions say it is thinner

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than a hair and sharper than a sword, and everyone

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has to.

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Speaker 1: Cross it, everyone, even the good guests.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, the righteous, their good deeds light their way and

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they glide across it like lightning or a galloping horse.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But the sinners they struggle. Gravity is not their friend.

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They slip, they stumble, and they fall into Johannam.

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Speaker 1: Hell involves, you know, scorching heat and boiling water and

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all the things you'd expect. It's an insane obstacle course

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just to get to your final destination. It really emphasizes

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that every single action in life has a direct physical

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consequence in the afterlife. It's not just did you believe

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it's can you balance?

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Speaker 2: That is the common thread here. Whether it's a battery

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dying or a tightrope walk over fire, the central thread

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is one of accountability.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's pull the next thread. We're moving from the

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waiting room to the karmic wheel. This is our second segment.

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We're heading east to Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism, and here

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death is the end. It's just a scene change.

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Speaker 2: This is a fundamental shift in perspective. In the West,

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we often think in a very linear way. Birth, life, death, afterlife,

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end of story. In these traditions it is cyclical, and

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in Hinduism the bureaucracy of that cycle is incredibly detailed.

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Speaker 1: I love the description of the celestial court room. Yeah,

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you have Yama, who is the lord of death and justice.

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But he's not working alone. He's got a whole staff

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he does. He's got Chitragupta, the accountant.

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Speaker 2: The account with the receipts. He keeps some meticulous record

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of every deed, every thought, every intention you ever had.

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And then there's Varuna, this bymaster who sees everything. But

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the source mentions a specific detail that is just terrifying.

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Speaker 1: The mirror the mirror. Imagine this. You die, you stand

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before the judge, and they don't just read a list

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of your sins. They pull up a giant screen. It

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replays every single cringe moment of your life. Oh no,

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every time you cut in line at the grocery store,

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every time you ghosted someone on a dating app, every

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dumb thing you said at a party. It's all there

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in four K resolution for the whole court to see.

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Speaker 2: It creates a sense of total inescapable transparency. You cannot

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hide who you were. There are no secrets in death,

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and based on that life review, you get sent to

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one of two places, Svarga, which is like a temporary

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heaven resort, or Naraka, a hell like escape room.

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Speaker 1: But this is the key difference. Neither one is eternal, right.

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Speaker 2: It's all temporary. You burn off the bad karma in Naraca,

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or you spend your good karma points like their vacation

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days in Sparga, and then boom, reincarnation. You go back

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to Earth for another round.

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Speaker 1: And this is where it gets really interesting. The source

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notes that your next form depends on your karma, yes,

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but also very specifically, on your last thought before death.

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Speaker 2: This is a fascinating detail. It emphasizes the importance of

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your state of mind at the moment of transition. So

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if I'm thinking about a cheeseburger when I die, you

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might come back as something related to that desire, or,

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as the source jokes, you could be a pigeon or

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a prince. It highlights the importance of spiritual focus, especially

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at the end.

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Speaker 1: Now, before we move on, we have to talk about

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the hungry ghosts. This is one of the most disturbing

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images in the whole research file. The pretice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a specific state of being, a specific

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realm of rebirth for those who were excessively greedy, selfish,

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or corrupt in their human life. They are depicted with giant,

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distended bellies symbolizing their massive insatiable appetite, but tiny needlefinnecks.

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Speaker 1: Can never eat. They are permanently starving, permanently thirsty. The

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descriptions say that if they find food, it turns to

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ash or fire in their mouths, where their throat is

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simply too small to swallow it. That is a horrifying

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psychological torture.

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Speaker 2: It's the physical manifestation of greed. You wanted everything, so

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now you have the hunger for everything, but the capacity

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for nothing. It's a powerful warning. Unchecked greed literally deforms

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your soul.

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Speaker 1: That one sticks with you. Okay. Now, Buddhism takes the

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same wheel and basically says, hey, maybe we should all

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get off this bus.

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Speaker 2: Exactly in Hinduism, you might aim for a better rebirth,

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a more comfortable ride on the merry go round. In Buddhism,

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the cycle itself samsara, is seen as the trap. Rebirth

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isn't a reward, it's a symptom of suffering and dissatisfaction.

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You keep coming back because you keep craving things, and

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you can come.

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Speaker 1: Back in six different realms. You could be a god,

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a human, an animal, a hungry ghost, a hell being.

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But the ultimate goal is nirvana. To get off the

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wheel and tie, to blow out the candle of desire.

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Speaker 2: The source material highlights the Tibetan concept of the Bardo.

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This is a forty nine day intermediate zone after death.

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It's like a transition terminal where your consciousness is trying

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to orient itself. It's a period of immense confusion but

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also incredible opportunity.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like being lost in an airport where the

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signs keep changing languages, and all the announcements are in riddles.

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Speaker 2: That's a very good analogy. The consciousness is buffeted by hallucinations, memories,

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and terrifying and peaceful lights. If you've been trained in meditation,

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you can recognize the clear light of reality and exit

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the system into nirvana. If not, you get scared, you

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run from the light, and you get sucked back into

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a womb for another life.

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Speaker 1: Now, Sikhism has a number associated with this cycle that

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just blew my mind. Eight point four million, the eight point.

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Speaker 2: Four million steps. The belief is that the soul cycles

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through eight point four million different life forms before it

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gets a single shot at being human.

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Speaker 1: Eight point four million. That puts a lot of pressure

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on us right now, doesn't it?

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Speaker 2: It does? It frames human life as the golden ticket.

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Being human is the only stage where you possess the

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consciousness and self awareness to break the cycle and merge

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with Wahi grew with God. If you waste this human life, you.

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Speaker 1: Slide all the way down the chute and shoot some

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ladders and land back on square one.

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Speaker 2: And you have to climb through millions of forms again. Rocks, plants, insects, animals,

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just to get back here for another chance.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's the ultimate don't blow this speech. It's not

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just don't sin, it's don't waste the incredible opportunity of

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your species.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, it turns existence into a precious, unbelievably rare commodity.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's shift gears. We've done the wheel. Now let's

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talk about red tape. This is segment three, The bureaucracy

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of ancient death. You thought the DMV was bad, wait

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until you meet the ancient Egyptians.

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Speaker 2: The Egyptians were the absolute masters of afterlife bureaucracy. They

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didn't just hope for the best. They prepared for a

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legal battle. They treated death like a tax audit that

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they fully intended to win.

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Speaker 1: They literally had a cheat sheet, the Book of the Dead.

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Speaker 2: It was essential, and it wasn't just a holy book.

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It was a practical guidebook filled with passwords. You needed

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to know the secret names of the demonic gatekeepers. You

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needed specific spells to get past monsters.

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Speaker 1: Imagine dying standing in front of a giant gate with

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the demon holding an ice, and he asks you for

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the password. If your family didn't buy the premium funeral

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package with the scroll are you just stuck there forever you.

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Speaker 2: Were in significant trouble. It was a very pay to

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win system in some regards. But my favorite part of

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the whole thing is the shop diss.

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Speaker 1: I love this concept. These are little dolls, little figurines.

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You're buried with why to do your chores in the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Because the Egyptian paradise, the field of rushes, was basically

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an agrarian ideal, a perfect version of life on the nile.

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You farmed forever, the wheat grew twelve feet tall, the

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weather was always perfect, but it was still farming.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a pharaoh, you don't do farming. You

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don't do manual labor exactly.

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Speaker 2: So the shop teas were magically contracted to answer when

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the gods called your name for work duty. The god

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o Cyrus calls out time to harvest the fields, and

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one of your little dolls animated and says, here, I am,

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I will do it.

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Speaker 1: It's an automated out of office reply for eternity. It's

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ancient robotics. I'm here to do the dishes so the

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pharaoh can chill by the river.

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Speaker 2: It shows a very human desire to maintain status and

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luxury even after death. But before you even get to

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the farm, you have to face the main event, the trial,

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the weighing of the heart, the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: Light detector test. This image is so iconic.

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Speaker 2: Your heart, which they believed was the seat of intelligence

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and conscience, is placed on one side of a scale.

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On the other side is the feather of matt the

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goddess of truth and justice.

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Speaker 1: And if your heart is heavy with guilt or sin.

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Speaker 2: Enter Emit, the devourer of souls.

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Speaker 1: Our crocodile, part lion, part hippopotamus.

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Speaker 2: The three most terrifying man eaters of the Nile, all

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rolled into one monster.

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Speaker 1: And Emit eats the heart. Now this is crucial. It's

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not hell, it's not eternal torture.

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Speaker 2: No, it's non existence. To the Egyptians, who loved life

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so much, having your soul completely destroyed was the worst

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possible fate. You simply cease to be. It is the

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Egyptian version of the heart.

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Speaker 1: Stop. Yeah. Compare that meticulous preparation to the Sumerians. Their

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afterlife sounds just miserable, so dusty.

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Speaker 2: The Sumerian afterlife is arguably the bleakest thread we have

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in our entire collection. Rishkigal, the queen of the underworld,

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runs a cold, dark, dusty place. There's no judgment. Really,

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everyone goes there, kings, beggars, heroes, villains, It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And the source describes the menu stale bread and salty

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water and dust.

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Speaker 2: Dust is their food. Clay their bread. The imagery is

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of souls sitting in the dark, clothes like birds with feathers,

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just eating dirt.

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Speaker 1: That is barely an afterlife. That's just sitting in a

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basement with the lights off, eating dry toast for all eternity.

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Why was their views so profoundly bleak?

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Speaker 2: Scholars think it reflects their environment. The Tigris and Euphrates,

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Rivers and Mesopotamia were unpredictable and violent. Life was harsh, unpredictable,

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and often short. So they believe the afterlife was just

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a dull, gray, diminished shadow of life on Earth and.

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Speaker 1: Your status there. Your quality of life depends entirely on

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how rich your funeral.

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Speaker 2: Was, yes, and on your living relatives. If your family

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on Earth offers you food and drink through rituals, you

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might get a taste. If they forget you, you eat dust.

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Speaker 1: So if your kids are cheap, you starve for eternity.

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Talk about a way guilt trip your children. You better

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leave me a good offering or I'll be eating clay

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again tonight.

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Speaker 2: It places a tremendous ongoing burden on the living to

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maintain the dead. It's a very harsh transactional view of eternity.

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Speaker 1: And then you had the Greeks. We all know Charon

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the fairy Man, but the Source emphasizes the importance of

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that coin.

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Speaker 2: No coin, no crossing, You're stuck on the banks of

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the river sticks forever, just wandering as a shade. It's

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another bureaucratic hurdle, another toll booth, and the Greek underworld

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is zoned. You have Elysium for the VIPs, the heroes,

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you have Tartars for the truly wicked, the cosmic villains.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the Asphodel Meadows. The Source calls it

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the place for average, boring souls. Yes, you just wander

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around as a witless shade forever. It's the afterlife equivalent

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of a gray, featureless cubicle farm.

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Speaker 2: It really captures the fear of mediocrity, not being good

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enough for Heaven, not being bad enough for Hell, just

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being forgotten and nobody for eternity.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of not being forgotten, let's ramp up the adrenaline

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segment four, the obstacle courses. These are the high thrill

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theories of the afterlife. If you like extreme sports, you

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might you might enjoy the Aztec afterlife.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Aztec view is unique because again, morality isn't

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the primary driver of where you go. It's how you die.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, if you're a warrior who dies in battle,

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or if you're a sacrifice victim.

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Speaker 2: Or and this is a very important inclusion, a woman

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who dies in childbirth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love this. They consider childbirth to be a

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form of battle.

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Speaker 2: It was a war for life. Those women were honored

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with the same status as the greatest fallen warriors. And

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these souls, these VIPs, they get the best gig. They

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go to help move the sun across the sky every day.

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And what if you drown, Then you're chosen by the

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rain god to lock and you go to his paradise.

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It's a place that's lush, full of flowers and water,

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eternally greened.

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Speaker 1: For the average Joe, the person who just dies of

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old age or a common cold.

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Speaker 2: You go to Micklin and Micklin is a four year

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nightmare journey through nine levels of the underworld.

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Speaker 1: The trials described in the source are so intense it

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sounds like an action movie. Mountains that smash together.

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Speaker 2: You have to time your run perfectly or you'll be

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completely crushed.

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Speaker 1: Winds that slice your skin like obsidian knives.

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Speaker 2: The obsidian wind it's said to strip the flesh from

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your bones in.

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Speaker 1: A river of blood filled with jaguars. Who came up

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with this stuff and why?

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Speaker 2: It reflects a culture that valued resilience, struggle and endurance.

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Life was a battle, so death is the final campaign.

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But here is the heartwarming part. You don't do it alone.

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You have a guide, the spirit dog.

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Speaker 1: The Eosit's Quinley, the hairless Dog. The Sores has a

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great line, be nice to dogs. You might need one.

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Speaker 2: I love that. The belief was that your pet dog

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waits for you at the river of blood. If you

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were kind to dogs in life, it recognizes you and

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carries you safely across on its back. If you kicked

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a dog, the.

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Speaker 1: Dog just looks at you and says, good luck with

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those jaguars, and then it leads you there.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much no.

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Speaker 1: To sell extra treats for the dog tonight. That is

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beautiful karma. Now, the Mayans took this fear factor and

544
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just dialed it up to eleven.

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Speaker 2: Gibalba the place of fear, and it was ruled by

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these death gods, the lords of Jibalba, with names like

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one Death and seven.

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Speaker 1: Deaths, which sounds like a terrifying rap duo.

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Speaker 2: They were sadistic tyrants who loved torture and trickery, and

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they had these houses of terror designed to test and

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break the souls of the dead.

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Speaker 1: I want to react to these specifically, because they just

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sound like traps from the movie Saw.

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Speaker 2: The Dark House, complete sensory deprivation, pitch blackness designed to

555
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induce paranoia and madness. The cold house, freezing hail, constant

556
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shivering hypothermia for the soul bath house filled with giant, screeching,

557
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bloodthirsty bats flying around your head trying to decapitate you.

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Speaker 1: But the one that always stands out, the one that

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is just pure nightmare fuel, is the Razorhouse.

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Speaker 2: The Razorhouse is it's something else, a room filled with

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sentient moving.

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Speaker 1: Blades, sentient blades like swords that move on their own

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and are thinking, well, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Not thinking like you. And I, but moving with intent.

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The idea is the walls, the floor, the very air

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itself is filled with obsidian knives that are constantly clicking

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and clashing and looking for flesh to cut. You have

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to somehow navigate the storm of razors without being shredded.

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Speaker 1: Why were the Mayans so specific and so gruesome about these.

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Speaker 2: Tortures because the Mayan worldview was deeply connected to the

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harshness of the jungle and the concept of winning through cleverness.

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Death wasn't a passive release, It was a conquest. You

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had to outwit these lords. The hero twins in their

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central myth pople Vu actually went down there and beat

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the lords at their own ballgame.

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Speaker 1: So you can actually win.

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Speaker 2: You can win. It suggests that death is a challenge

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to be overcome, not just a destination you arrive at.

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying, but I guess there's a chance. Unlike maybe

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Slavic paganism, this one feels like a dark, lonely fairy tale.

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Speaker 2: It is very grim and very solitary. You are completely alone,

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there's no boatmen, no spirit dog. You have to cross

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the kalanof Bridge, which is on fire, of course, and

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it's guarded by Chuto Yudo, a fiery, multi headed beast.

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And if you make it past that, you have to

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deal with Baba Yaga, the.

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Speaker 1: Witch in the hut that stands on chicken legs. I've

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always loved that image. It's so surreal. But in this context,

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she's a gatekeeper.

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Speaker 2: You have to answer her riddles, and her riddles are

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famously impossible, or you have to navigate the realm of

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Caushet the Immortal, the villain who famously hides his soul

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in a needle, which is in an egg, which is

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in a duck.

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Speaker 1: It's a nesting doll of soul hiding exactly.

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Speaker 2: The Slavic app life emphasizes the cunning and bravery needed

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to survive. It's not about being holy in a moral sense.

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It's about being smart and brave in the face of

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overwhelming magical darkness.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a breath. We've survived the razorhouse and

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the chicken hut. Now let's look at some pure structure.

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Segment five, complex tears and structures. Mormonism brings us what

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the Source calls the subscription plan.

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Speaker 2: That is a very apt metaphor. The theology of the

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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is highly

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structured and organized. You start in a waiting room, spirit prison,

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or spirit paradise where you await judgment. But the end

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game is the three kingdoms.

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Speaker 1: Of glory, gold, silver, and bronze.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, the celestial Kingdom is the gold package. This is

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the highest degree of glory where God himself lives. It

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is reserved for the super righteous, those who made and

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kept sacred covenants, were married in the temple, and so on.

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Speaker 1: Then you have the terrestrial kingdom that's.

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Speaker 2: For honorable people, good citizens who maybe didn't accept the

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full Mormon gospel, but we're good folks. The source notes

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that Jesus visits there, but God the Father doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And finally, the celestial the probation.

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Speaker 2: Zone for sinners, liars, adulterers, and so on. But even

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this is described as a kingdom of glory, just a

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much lesser one. The only true hell is a place

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called Outer Darkness, which is reserved for an incredibly small

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number of people who knew the absolute truth of God

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and then rejected it. It's a system that tries to

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find a place for almost everyone.

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Speaker 1: It's very organized. It's like a cosmic corporate ladder, which

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is very different from the Zoroastrian bridge, which actually changes size.

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This is such a cool visual the Chinvat Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Zoroastrianism is one of the oldest monotheistic faiths, and this

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imagery influenced many others. The Chinvat Bridge spans the abyss

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between the world of the living and the world of

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the dead. If you are righteous, when you step onto it,

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the bridge turns on its side and becomes a wide,

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broad highway easy cross. And if you're wicked, it turns

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ras thin. You try to walk it, you lose your

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balance and you fall into the House of Lives. But

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my favorite part of this whole process is the Dana.

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Your conscience, Yes, your conscience manifests as a person who

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meets you at the entrance.

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Speaker 1: To the bridge.

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Speaker 2: If you lived a good life, you meet a beautiful,

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radiant maiden who guides you across.

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Speaker 1: And if you live a bad life.

644
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Speaker 2: You are confronted by a horrid, naked hag.

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Speaker 1: Imagine dying, and the very first thing you see is

646
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a physical representation of all your own bad choices, and

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she's just ugly and screaming at you.

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Speaker 2: It forces you to confront yourself. You aren't being judged

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by an external god as much as you are being

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confronted by the reality of who you chose to become.

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I am your own bad deeds. She says.

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Speaker 1: That is deep. That's some serious psychological horror. We also

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have Mandaism in this tier. This is a Gnostic tradition right,

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all about light versus.

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Speaker 2: Dark, very dualistic. The core belief is that the soul

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is a spark of divine light that has become trapped

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in a dark material body. The afterlife, then is an

658
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escape mission. You have to ascend through a series of

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watch towers or guard stations run by demons of darkness

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to get back to the world of light.

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Speaker 1: It's like a reverse heist movie. You're not breaking in,

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you're breaking out of the prison of the material.

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Speaker 2: World precisely, and you have to know the secret signs

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and seals to get past the guards at each level.

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Speaker 1: Our final segment segment six, Nature return and the abstract.

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These are the theories that feel a bit more organic,

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a bit less structured. Let's start with Shinto.

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Speaker 2: Shinto is fascinating because it's so deeply rooted in concepts

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of purity and pollution, death, itself is seen as a

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form of pollution. The underworld Yomi is a dark, moldy,

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unclean place.

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Speaker 1: But the spirit, the kami, it stays behind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the ancestors don't just disappear. They remain as spirits,

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as kami to watch over the family, and that's why

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you have things like the Obahn festival in Japan. The

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source calls it a cheerful ghost reunion.

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Speaker 1: I love that phrase. It's not as scary haunting. It's

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Grandpa's back for the weekend. Let's put out his favorite

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food and have a dance.

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Speaker 2: Unless you hold a grudge. The source warns about becoming

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a moody ghost. If you die with anger or resentment,

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you can become a vengeful spirit that causes trouble. So

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the key requirement for a peaceful afterlife is emotional resolution

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in this life.

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Speaker 1: Then there's Tinrikio. This one has my favorite analogy of

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the entire episode. The rental car.

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Speaker 2: It is a beautiful and simple concept. Your body is

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not yours, it is lent to you by God. The

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parent dying is simply returning the rental vehicle, and hopefully.

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Speaker 1: It didn't scratch the bumper or spill anything on the

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seats well.

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Speaker 2: The scratches are what they call mental dust, arrogance, greed, hatred,

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And here is a very specific detail. Humans are designed,

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according to their belief to live one hundred and fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifteen. So if I die at eighty,

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I cut the least.

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Speaker 2: Short because of the dust. The accumulation of negative spiritual

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grime shortens the lease on the body. But don't worry.

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You get a new one. You get a new jacket,

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a new body, and its quality is based on how

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you treated the last one.

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Speaker 1: Clean your mind, live longer, get a better car next time.

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I like it now. Pantheism and Taoism, this is for

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the people who find comfort in physics and philosophy.

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Speaker 2: We are all stardust. Pantheism suggests that no personal consciousness remains.

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Your individual ego dissolves and you are recycled back into

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the universe.

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Speaker 1: It's the ultimate recycling program. You become the grass, the stars,

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the rain. There's a piece to that.

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Speaker 2: And Taoism talks about release from the corpse. The goal

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is to let go and return to the flow the

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Great Tao. Although the source does mention the Taoist alchemists

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who tried to hack the system.

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Speaker 1: The immortality seekers drinking mercury elixers and weird potions and

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try and avoid death entirely.

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Speaker 2: Which ironically often killed them much faster. But the intent

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was to bypass the whole afterlife bureaucracy entirely.

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Speaker 1: Let's touch on Wika the summer Land.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the most chill afterlife we've discussed. It's

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envisioned as a beautiful eternal nature lovers paradise, but it

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does involve a life review. Crucially, you judge yourself, which.

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Speaker 1: Is sometimes so much harder than a judge doing it.

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Why did I wear that outfit in two thousand and four?

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Why was it I mean to that cashier over something

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so small?

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you process your life, you learn your lessons, you rest,

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you get to visit with deceased pets, a very important

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detail for many people, and then you prepare for your

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next reincarnation.

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Speaker 1: And finally, the Aboriginal Australian concept the dreaming.

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Speaker 2: This is perhaps the most difficult for the Western linear

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mind to grasp. The dreaming isn't a place you go

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after you die. It's a timeless, eternal realm where the past,

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the present and the future all exists simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: It's not a destination, it's a dimension that's always there,

736
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sort of running parallel to ours.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and burial rights are absolutely crucial here to make

738
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sure the spirit can return to its ancestral land within

739
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the dreaming. If it's not done right, the spirit gets

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stuck wandering the land. And there's the taboo avoiding the

741
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name of the deceased.

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Speaker 1: Right so you don't accidentally call them back and disturb

743
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their journey.

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Speaker 2: It reflects a deep respect for the boundary between the

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world of the living and the ancestral realm.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered a lot of ground. I mean,

747
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from the Jehovah's witnesses USB drive to the Aztec Jaguars,

748
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from the sentient razorhouse to the rental car.

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Speaker 2: It is genuinely overwhelming when you see it all laid

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out like this, the sheer creativity of the human mind

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when faced with its own mortality.

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Speaker 1: So let's try to synthesize this. What stands out to

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you as the biggest, most common thread through.

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Speaker 2: All of this, You know, despite the vast differences the

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spiritual bureaucracy versus the physical trials, there is this undeniable

756
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common thread of consequence. Almost every single one of these theories,

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except perhaps for the bleakest Sumerian one, insists that how

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you are now matters profoundly for where you are.

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Speaker 1: Then it's the ultimate accountability check.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, whether it's a heavy heart on a scale, a

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battery running out of juice, or a cosmic point system.

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For me, the thing that sticks out is the sheer

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variety of fears. Some cultures clearly fear pain the most,

764
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hence the razorhouse. Some fear bureaucracy and judgment, the weighing

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of the heart, and some fear just being forgotten, just being.

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Speaker 1: Irrelevant, the dusty underworld.

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Speaker 2: And some fear the hunger, the preytus, the endless, gnawing dissatisfaction.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so I have to ask you, we've looked at

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all these terrifying, beautiful and strange maps, which one would

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you least like to face?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is a tough one, think. I think it

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has to be the Sumerian.

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Speaker 1: One, really over the razors.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the idea of eating dust in the dark forever,

775
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with no hope of advancement, no judgment, no purpose, just

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stale bread and silence. It feels so hopeless. It's just depression, eternalize,

777
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the absolute absence of meaning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the boredom of eternity is its own special kind

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of terror. For me, it's the Maya in Gibalba. Hands down,

780
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I do not want to navigate a dark house or

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a bath house. I am not an obstacle coarse person.

782
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Just give me the mirror of cringe moments of Take

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that over jaguars any day.

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Speaker 2: The cringe is definitely safer than the jaguars for sure.

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Speaker 1: So here is our question for you listening right now.

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If you could design your own afterlife based on all

787
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these threads we've pulled, what would it look like?

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Speaker 2: Would you choose the challenge of the Aztec journey for

789
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a better reward? Do you want to fight for your

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paradise or do you prefer the peaceful quiet deletion of

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the sleep state? Is the idea of the summer and

792
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nature retreat the only way to go?

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Speaker 1: Or maybe just want the rental car upgrade a fresh start.

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Let us know. Leave a comment if you can, or

795
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just debate it with your friends at dinner tonight. It's

796
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a great conversation starter. Hey, pass the salt, and also,

797
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would you be willing to cross a Flaming Bridge for eternity.

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Speaker 2: It certainly beats talking about the weather.

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Speaker 1: It really does. Thank you for diving into the unknown

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with us on thrilling threads.

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Speaker 2: It has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Keep pulling the threads. We'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye everyone,