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Speaker 7: Coming to the stage as always one of our favorites,
Speaker 7: Deputy Chief j Jonas, Chief Francy sleep there.
Speaker 9: And the calliage she Bill Goldfai.
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Speaker 3: Look, Billy's got his uh, Billy's got his people out there.
Speaker 3: Look at that. Excellent? All right, So let's dive into
Speaker 3: the book a little bit. But for us, we're going
Speaker 3: to see the chief leave. How you doing it? Aw's retired,
Speaker 3: live treating.
Speaker 6: You doing good?
Speaker 3: How you guys doing doing great? We're not writing books though,
Speaker 3: I mean not, We're not doing the stuff that you're doing.
Speaker 6: You wrote a chapter of it, right, you wrote it.
Speaker 6: We're gonna couple yours on your chapter on a future
Speaker 6: show and we'll kidding decide. Your chapter is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. I enjoyed writing it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's never mine. The head's not gonna
Speaker 4: fit in the the screening.
Speaker 10: A few Its good for you.
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Speaker 3: Love you brother number love mister Goldfinder. How are you,
Speaker 3: mister Goldfer.
Speaker 11: Well, thanks for having us on. This has been quite
Speaker 11: a project and we'll talk more when we get into it,
Speaker 11: but thanks for helping us with this projects. As Frank
Speaker 11: will tell you, and I'm going to remind everybody, of
Speaker 11: the proceeds of this book are going to four fire
Speaker 11: service charities.
Speaker 6: Firefighter Can't Support Network, Tunnel.
Speaker 11: To Towers, Hire, a First Responder Center of Excellence, and
Speaker 11: the Chief Ray Downy Scholarship. So neither Frank Leeber, myself
Speaker 11: or any of the thirty contributors I'm making a nickel
Speaker 11: on this. This is strictly a fundraiser and an opportunity
Speaker 11: to get firefighters to understand about their past.
Speaker 10: Well, thank you all right, Nice to do that there too.
Speaker 7: Right now he's taking in jobs. Well we'll yeah, he's
Speaker 7: at the anytime he could be could be flying down.
Speaker 3: You guys are a lot better than us, Louis, we wouldn't
Speaker 3: be donating all the proceeds.
Speaker 10: That's just.
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Speaker 5: Yes, God blessed that woman.
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Speaker 10: We forget about it.
Speaker 3: So who's initial whose initial idea was distant leave, go
Speaker 3: to Billy, Billy, go to Lee? What happened?
Speaker 11: Frank and I we talked quite a bit about close
Speaker 11: calls and other incidents, and and I was at a firehouse.
Speaker 10: One day and I was planning to the crew.
Speaker 11: About something and I said, you know, it's just like
Speaker 11: what happened in Hack and Sack. They looked at me
Speaker 11: like I had three heads. That really struck me. They
Speaker 11: didn't understand the word happens, what that means to our business.
Speaker 11: So I started thinking, you know what, this should be
Speaker 11: the next book.
Speaker 10: And you know, how do we do it? How do
Speaker 10: they not know about Hack and Sack? How does this
Speaker 10: one not know about that?
Speaker 11: And you think today, with so many forms of communication,
Speaker 11: they would know, But you know what, it's almost like this,
Speaker 11: too many forms of communications today.
Speaker 10: The young firefighters, the ones who want to learn that.
Speaker 11: They're getting innundated, but with every house fire and everything,
Speaker 11: so it's hard for them to catch it.
Speaker 10: So Frank and I were talking.
Speaker 11: I said, listen, I've had this idea, and he says,
Speaker 11: I'm on board, let's do it, and because he's experienced
Speaker 11: the same thing. So we went through a process. We
Speaker 11: worked with a young lady named Amy Tippett, who's some
Speaker 11: of you not made John Tippet. Her husband works for
Speaker 11: the National for Firefighters Foundation's retired chief in Montgomery County,
Speaker 11: Maryland and Charleston, South Carolina. And Amy was a big
Speaker 11: help in this. But we put together an algorithm of
Speaker 11: what house fires, what dwelling fires. We tried to pick
Speaker 11: the fires that most firefighters are going to go to,
Speaker 11: the single family dwelling, the row store, small commercial things
Speaker 11: like that, and I think we came up. Look, Frank,
Speaker 11: it can come at a minute. But we have enough
Speaker 11: to three or four more books. But we had to
Speaker 11: pick what would be most applicable, especially with the younger
Speaker 11: firefighters with the type of fires they're going to today,
Speaker 11: and this is our opportunity. We found of those thirty
Speaker 11: you guys can lead that conversation later, which once, but
Speaker 11: we found people who were there or were close to
Speaker 11: someone who was there, and that's a big deal. So
Speaker 11: basically each chapter I introduced the chapter that someone who
Speaker 11: knows who's the subject matter expert, if you will, on
Speaker 11: that particular fire or related or something like that, and
Speaker 11: then Frank puts together a lesson plan after each one.
Speaker 11: So really this book can be learning.
Speaker 5: I could drill almost I would.
Speaker 11: I wouldn't call it an enjoyable reading, but it's interesting.
Speaker 11: It's a great gift, but it's also educational because there's
Speaker 11: a lesson plan after each after each chapter that Frank
Speaker 11: walks you through. We also have a website thirty Fires
Speaker 11: dot com, and in that you'll be able to and
Speaker 11: in the back of the book you can scan a
Speaker 11: QR code you'll be able to see videos of that chapter,
Speaker 11: see reports of that chapter. So we think it's probably
Speaker 11: the most comprehensive book identifying specific incidents that anybody who's
Speaker 11: making runs today should know about.
Speaker 3: Chief Were there any chief leave Were there any fires
Speaker 3: that you really didn't know too much about and were
Speaker 3: surprised when you heard the details of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'll tell you what. So a lot of
Speaker 6: the fires when we each made lists of fires we
Speaker 6: thought should be in the book, and we compared those
Speaker 6: and we had around twenty that were the same. And
Speaker 6: then we each had individual fires that we had maybe
Speaker 6: a little bit more knowledge about or and we came
Speaker 6: up with a couple of more from that from using
Speaker 6: that method, we asked people that we know around the
Speaker 6: fire service, and then we wanted to fill in and
Speaker 6: make sure that we got some stories that really rounded
Speaker 6: it out. That we were covering career, volunteer, rural, city departments,
Speaker 6: a little bit of everything. And as Billy said, we
Speaker 6: have enough there's and now the amount of people that
Speaker 6: have contacted are insane. You have to cover this fire,
Speaker 6: you have to cover that fire. And it's really about
Speaker 6: how do we make these lessons transferable used the wildland firefighter.
Speaker 6: They have the watchouts right, so for things that we
Speaker 6: have to be aware of on the fire down so
Speaker 6: we don't lose people that we don't lose our brothers
Speaker 6: and sisters to similar ways that we have in the past.
Speaker 6: Even even when I was putting together the training, I
Speaker 6: didn't want to have it would be it wouldn't be
Speaker 6: a really good educational book if every single one of
Speaker 6: the drills were the same. But you know, there's certain
Speaker 6: things that theems to every one of them, whether it's
Speaker 6: communications or you know, whatever it is, right, but communications
Speaker 6: is you can make that as a takeaway for every fire.
Speaker 6: When when things go when things go south, but this,
Speaker 6: this project was truly a laborer love. I learned, I
Speaker 6: learned something I didn't know about every one of these fires.
Speaker 6: And I think Billy will say the same. And as
Speaker 6: true students of our profession, when I learned something new,
Speaker 6: it's uh, you know, I enjoy that and it's really humbling.
Speaker 6: And even getting to know some of the people involved,
Speaker 6: getting to know some of the parents of of people
Speaker 6: that have been killed, and I've and see how they
Speaker 6: go back to the National form fire Fighter Foundation's Memorial
Speaker 6: Weekend every year, help new families and if we could,
Speaker 6: if we could prevent some of these firefighters from losing
Speaker 6: their lives and make it where if we where then
Speaker 6: then not having to go to Memorial Weekend, because line
Speaker 6: of duty deaths have generational impacts on the on the families,
Speaker 6: on the friends, on the coworkers, and you know, the
Speaker 6: more we could prevent that, the better off our profession,
Speaker 6: our beloved profession is. And you know, on the on
Speaker 6: the fire ground, fire that's are are lower than they've
Speaker 6: been in a long time. And that's because we pay
Speaker 6: attention to these to these details that we read these
Speaker 6: line of duty death reports. We have people like Jay Jonas,
Speaker 6: you know in the FDN Y that that studies so
Speaker 6: many different fires and puts information out.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, and never heard of them.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but you think about that, right, We've we're all
Speaker 12: better because of people like Jay Jonas and the books
Speaker 12: that Billy g Has put out prior to this and
Speaker 12: this this is another one of those books.
Speaker 6: It's laid out each month, so we start with the
Speaker 6: Black Sunday Fire in January and we end with the
Speaker 6: Buffalo Propane explosion in late December, and it's it's laid
Speaker 6: out so each chapter, chapter one is a January fire,
Speaker 6: Chapter thirty is a December fire. And when you look
Speaker 6: at the the book The Last Alarm, the Elmhurst Eagles
Speaker 6: Engine twenty seven lat of one thirty six and Batinion
Speaker 6: four to six. Every day they read from that book,
Speaker 6: but that book is not in daily order. It's it's
Speaker 6: so they have to put the pages. They have it
Speaker 6: all laid out, and they've enhanced that and so this
Speaker 6: book mimics some of some of the features that that book,
Speaker 6: The Last Alarm had and makes it on a country
Speaker 6: wide level. Every every tour in Elmhurst starts with reading
Speaker 6: from the Last alarm and when I was still active
Speaker 6: on the job. One of the things that I would
Speaker 6: have liked to have done before I retired, I would
Speaker 6: have liked to have changed the regulations to where we
Speaker 6: read those that we read those stories and remember the
Speaker 6: remembrance bulletins.
Speaker 5: Right, that was great, that.
Speaker 6: That's a similar format, but we should read from the
Speaker 6: remembrance bulletins and thirty five as you must know at
Speaker 6: the start of every tour. And I wanted that. I
Speaker 6: wanted to put u and make that formalized in the
Speaker 6: FDN Y because that is start to day with a
Speaker 6: learning point is a really good way to start.
Speaker 5: I wanted to hold on Coop.
Speaker 7: I wanted to just say something quick like, uh, the
Speaker 7: thing that stuck out to me with this was that.
Speaker 7: And what's important to me on this show too is
Speaker 7: you know every we know all the fires, right, they
Speaker 7: all have the names, right, Everybody knows which fire they
Speaker 7: are just by the name, right.
Speaker 5: And over the years just reading the.
Speaker 7: After action report, right, and you know what the job
Speaker 7: put out and what we could have done better, and
Speaker 7: what happened here and all this stuff, right.
Speaker 5: But on the show here we get a lot of.
Speaker 7: People that come on the show, and we get a
Speaker 7: first hand account of a particular job that they were
Speaker 7: at right throughout the years, just you know, the most
Speaker 7: recent ones, but you know in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 7: right some of these old timers, and you get a
Speaker 7: first hand account of what those guys saw, similar to
Speaker 7: what you're saying. And that's what I think is important,
Speaker 7: is to get a first hand account. Grant that we
Speaker 7: all know the fire, and we all know most of
Speaker 7: the stuff that we're hopefully learning from those jobs, because
Speaker 7: like you said, it's not an easy book to read,
Speaker 7: and it's not an easy report. Those reports aren't easy
Speaker 7: to go through. It's not easy to listen to the
Speaker 7: handy talkie transmissions. It's just disaster. But to have a
Speaker 7: first hand account of what actually happened kind of puts
Speaker 7: you there little bit and it connects you a little
Speaker 7: bit better, so that you do hold on to a
Speaker 7: lot of stuff I think, you know going forward, especially
Speaker 7: if you are active in your job now you know,
Speaker 7: you know, let.
Speaker 11: Me just a real comment, and we didn't know. I mean,
Speaker 11: we had a pretty good feeling this was going to
Speaker 11: be a good success. The first printing sold out in
Speaker 11: thirty days and yeah, and that's from Fire Engineering telling
Speaker 11: us that that's who published the book. So I mean,
Speaker 11: as I mentioned, you know, there's no money to be made,
Speaker 11: so if we sold one or we sold a million,
Speaker 11: it doesn't matter. The fact is though, that we're able
Speaker 11: to raise money for these foundations. But more importantly, this
Speaker 11: first for this information and it's short stories, but they're
Speaker 11: real stories told by people who were there, really excited
Speaker 11: about it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Uh, Chief Lee, let me ask you when you were
Speaker 3: doing the you know, the drill pot at the end
Speaker 3: we're teaching lessons, did you ever you know, say yourself,
Speaker 3: you have to walk that fine line between Monday morning
Speaker 3: quarterbacking and teaching a lesson. There was that that I
Speaker 3: have a pop in ta head.
Speaker 6: It was always it was always on my mind that
Speaker 6: we we have to be respectful as we honor our
Speaker 6: brothers and sisters. We have to honor them, their memories,
Speaker 6: their families, their co workers. But there's lessons that we
Speaker 6: can learn through the lens of twenty twenty hindsight, and
Speaker 6: we're very respectful with the way we present the fires.
Speaker 6: Even in the editing process, when we gave the manuscript
Speaker 6: to Fire Engineering, we said, please you could edit with billion,
Speaker 6: and myself said all you want, but please don't edit
Speaker 6: what's in their own words of the people that have
Speaker 6: that intimate knowledge, because the changing of one or two
Speaker 6: words could could really be the difference. And even some fires,
Speaker 6: like if they're if they're too recent, it may not
Speaker 6: be time to, you know, to write a write about
Speaker 6: right about those stories. But you know, we we best
Speaker 6: honor our brothers and sisters when we remember and learn
Speaker 6: from their sacrifices, anything that there is to learn from.
Speaker 6: And one of the fires that will that we'll talk
Speaker 6: about tonight, I think you know, and that's the Vandalia
Speaker 6: Avenue and I one of the lines that that Chief
Speaker 6: Montagnet writes in the book was that these firefighters were
Speaker 6: doing their job with the knowledge that we you know,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna, I don't want to screw it up,
Speaker 6: so I'm gonna I'm gonna read exactly what it says,
Speaker 6: Lieutenant Carol Carolori firefighter BOP and Firefight A Bohan. We're
Speaker 6: doing their jobs looking for the fire apartment and victims,
Speaker 6: something done successfully so many times before by countless firefighters.
Speaker 6: But this time something was different. What was different was
Speaker 6: the combination of the window failure coupled with the high
Speaker 6: wind and the availability of flow paths created by the
Speaker 6: openings in the stair room and second floor apartment. Something
Speaker 6: was different and we learned the FDN Y learned from
Speaker 6: that fire. The whole Fire Service learned from that fire.
Speaker 6: And that is the the takeaway right from a fire
Speaker 6: like Vandalia Avenue, which is a seminal fire in the
Speaker 6: fire service. If you're in a fire service and you
Speaker 6: don't know the lessons of Vandalia Avenue, you're doing yourself
Speaker 6: and your department of disservice. And it doesn't matter that, yeah,
Speaker 6: that that fire was on the tenth floor of a building,
Speaker 6: but it doesn't matter that fire could have been on
Speaker 6: the second floor, could have been on the first floor.
Speaker 6: The lessons are transferable. And again that's that is the genesis,
Speaker 6: the reasoning behind behind this book, especially when we have
Speaker 6: people that can tell first hand stories of it. And yeah,
Speaker 6: but we've worked, we walked that fine line knowing that
Speaker 6: and even and even the lessons, some of them, if
Speaker 6: I focused on on a particular topic on one I
Speaker 6: tried to not repeat the same ones so they could
Speaker 6: be related to it, even if they're not even if
Speaker 6: it's not a direct correlation to the fire. But when
Speaker 6: you read all of these thirty fires and you put
Speaker 6: it all together and you take all the different training points,
Speaker 6: there is a lot of information that you're going to
Speaker 6: drill on. And the other important point that there's a
Speaker 6: companion website to this as well where we're going to
Speaker 6: put different resources. A link to this podcast will be
Speaker 6: will be put on each of the chapters that we
Speaker 6: discussed as well, because we want there to be a
Speaker 6: ton of drill material. You should never say I don't
Speaker 6: know what to drill on today. Right, There's so much
Speaker 6: information and this will give you more information than you
Speaker 6: can possibly so stay away from it.
Speaker 3: What will I will vouch the chief leave because when
Speaker 3: I wrote my chapter, he called me up and he said, listen,
Speaker 3: we don't only do this, but we have to change something.
Speaker 3: The editor wants to change something in what you wrote.
Speaker 3: And it was a part of that. I wrote that
Speaker 3: when we pulled up to the supermarket on that Hasma
Speaker 3: run Rofi, I had the second piece which was like
Speaker 3: a bread.
Speaker 5: Truck right right.
Speaker 3: So Joe Joe Vacilla, who wound up getting hurt that
Speaker 3: fire didn't Die sees me driving because I worked at
Speaker 3: one sixteen and he says to me, here, Koobs, what
Speaker 3: have you got five loaves of bread in the back
Speaker 3: of that van? I said, Tom, no, Joe, I got
Speaker 3: your sister back here.
Speaker 6: Goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got to.
Speaker 6: Change that a little bit.
Speaker 5: You wrote that in the in the what's the matter
Speaker 5: for you? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Just being honest? That's what happened, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: his credits you, bro.
Speaker 6: We gotta do we gotta stick to the facts, right,
Speaker 6: We gotta know what. We don't want to do anything
Speaker 6: that's going to take away.
Speaker 7: From well that's the thing, right, you don't want to
Speaker 7: disrespect anything. I mean in the end, you know, not
Speaker 7: every fire, but obviously when you look back at these fires,
Speaker 7: there was some mistakes that things could have been off
Speaker 7: a different but not everyone is like that. Some things,
Speaker 7: you know, like Kep says, all the time, you're right place,
Speaker 7: right time, and things go bad and that's just the
Speaker 7: way it is, right.
Speaker 6: So, and sometimes we just have better information today, right,
Speaker 6: information that wasn't event We didn't know about wind driven
Speaker 6: fires right at Vandelia Avenue.
Speaker 7: Bow string stuff right all those Yeah, so and sometimes
Speaker 7: we don't know a building has been renovated fifty times
Speaker 7: or the fire travel that it takes.
Speaker 6: So it is, you know, but there are lessons that
Speaker 6: we could tease out of these to just make us
Speaker 6: a little bit better the next time we're out the door.
Speaker 6: And really that's what it's about, right, just to be
Speaker 6: a little bit better the next time, and to make
Speaker 6: sure that we are aware of all of these different
Speaker 6: watch outs, whatever they are, whether it's boasting, trust, construction
Speaker 6: of Tazzo floor renovations, wind driven fire flow path. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's so many different there's so many different topics that
Speaker 6: we have to be aware of, and we hope that
Speaker 6: this plays some part in the learning process.
Speaker 3: Of reads one of these, right, chief and he picks
Speaker 3: up something small that goes somewhere in his head, right,
Speaker 3: and he's at a job now, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that little piece of information clicks that maybe just saved
Speaker 3: his life, you know, like, Oh.
Speaker 11: That's all we're trying to do, That's exactly yeah, you
Speaker 11: pointed perfectly. It's all we're trying to do is just
Speaker 11: kind of fill that hard drive, soft drive, whatever you got.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, should I remember what happened?
Speaker 10: At that fire. Oh yeah, I remember this piece.
Speaker 3: That's familiar. I remember this reading this somewhere.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: We got to get that young fella in the bottom
Speaker 7: right there, get his take on what's going on.
Speaker 5: Here, you know, just get right here.
Speaker 4: That's going to.
Speaker 10: A couple of things.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Jeev.
Speaker 10: Today is the fifty eighth anniversary of the twenty third
Speaker 10: Street collapse where we lost twelve firemen and many lessons
Speaker 10: learned about this.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the drug store had a tasso floor. Anybody who
Speaker 10: doesn't know what a tarazo floor is. It's like marble
Speaker 10: chips in concrete, and that's highly polished. You walked on
Speaker 10: to razzo floors all the time, but this was put
Speaker 10: on a wooden floor. And now we have a fire
Speaker 10: in the cellar. But one of the guys who responded
Speaker 10: to this a very interesting story about this talk about
Speaker 10: taking experience and passing it out to somebody else. There
Speaker 10: was a guy named Royal Fox. Royal Fox was a fireman,
Speaker 10: you know, like Squad eight and that down in like
Speaker 10: the Lofe district of Lower Manhattan, Hells hundred acres, And
Speaker 10: in nineteen sixty he was a survivor of a fire
Speaker 10: on Broadway and he was stuck in a cellar along
Speaker 10: with four other fire and they were trapped. They were
Speaker 10: sell a fire. They're trapped, and the lieutenant who is
Speaker 10: down there in the cellar says, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 10: stay here. They're gonna come and get us. And this guy,
Speaker 10: Royal Fox, said.
Speaker 5: No way, screw that.
Speaker 10: So see that stairway, that's the way out, and he
Speaker 10: and a guy named Bob Barnacle. Bob Barnacle was in
Speaker 10: front of him, and they climbed the stairway and they
Speaker 10: got their heads got to the point where the about
Speaker 10: the floor level with the ceiling level of the cellar,
Speaker 10: and a tremendous amount of heat because the firefire has
Speaker 10: really taken off, and Bob Barnacle backs down and the
Speaker 10: Royal Fox puts his shoulder into his button, drives him
Speaker 10: up to the fire, and then Royal Fox followed him
Speaker 10: and they both lived. They both got burned, but the
Speaker 10: three guys that remained in the cellar were killed. Fast
Speaker 10: forward six years sixty six, Royal Fox gets promoted to lieutenant.
Speaker 10: His first tour is a lieutenant in three truck and
Speaker 10: their first du at the twenty third Street collapse.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 10: And they're operating in the cellar three truck and five
Speaker 10: engine and he sees things starting to develop and he says,
Speaker 10: oh my god, it's happening again. And you know, he
Speaker 10: gathers everybody from five engine and three truck and he says, well,
Speaker 10: listen to me, guys, I've been through this before. That's
Speaker 10: the way out. And one by one the guys went
Speaker 10: up to sell us stairs until it was Royal Fox
Speaker 10: and one other guy and he had to do the
Speaker 10: same thing he did to Bob Barnacle. The guy stopped
Speaker 10: at the ceiling level and Royal Fox put his shoulder
Speaker 10: into him and drove him up through the.
Speaker 3: Fire and the Javoux all over again.
Speaker 10: Man five engine and three truck lived. You know you
Speaker 10: talked to Vinny Dunn, was a ve in of that fire.
Speaker 10: He says, if it wasn't for Royal Fox, there would
Speaker 10: have been twelve more guys killed at that finow. And
Speaker 10: he got a medal for that. He got a medal
Speaker 10: for it. That's he's the only guy who got a
Speaker 10: medal for the twenty.
Speaker 3: He's still alive.
Speaker 10: Any kids, I did a fire. I did the nineteen
Speaker 10: six sixty fire where he was initially trapped in the cellar,
Speaker 10: and Vinnie to Stephano was I found out was his
Speaker 10: son in law. And Vinnie to Stephano was a captain
Speaker 10: of sixty seven engine and he's so he he ended
Speaker 10: up bringing his dad to UH to the division. I
Speaker 10: spent the whole afternoon with him, wow, talking and talking
Speaker 10: about fires and everything. And you know he almost got
Speaker 10: hooked up for the one in nineteen sixty and the
Speaker 10: one in nineteen sixty six. He got a medal, you know,
Speaker 10: and uh, he passed away in twenty eighteen eighteen. That's
Speaker 10: about right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Uh, the Royal Fox and.
Speaker 10: It was it was great, and it's got one of
Speaker 10: the all time great names, to the Royal Fox.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And but there you go. You know, you're trapped in
Speaker 10: a cell afire. That's the way out. Don't hunker down here.
Speaker 10: It's not going to get better, you know, get out
Speaker 10: of the cellon And so that's one of the old
Speaker 10: time great stories from the twenty third Street collapse that
Speaker 10: we lost twelve guys. Another thing that was mimicked and
Speaker 10: I know what happened, and Pete Hagen did it at
Speaker 10: UH September eleventh at the World Trade Center when John
Speaker 10: o'hagen was actually at a conference or a meeting or
Speaker 10: something in Chicago, so he actually got there late, and
Speaker 10: uh he he's all the guys beating down there, trying
Speaker 10: to get to these guys, and he called everybody in
Speaker 10: at a park across the street and uh he said, look,
Speaker 10: I know we all died a little bit in there today.
Speaker 10: Let's take our hats off, our helmets off, and say prayer.
Speaker 10: And there's a picture of that of all these guys
Speaker 10: with their helmets off over their hearts. And uh again
Speaker 10: that that was Pete Hayden did that at nine to eleven,
Speaker 10: you know, when they when they found uh Chief Gancy
Speaker 10: and Bill Fihan. You know, he had everybody stop and
Speaker 10: pause and say prayer. And uh you know, talking to
Speaker 10: guys who are at that fire, guys who they were
Speaker 10: just going in off duty, and they would they would
Speaker 10: go to the twenty third Street collapse site and uh
Speaker 10: he said, we would have done anything for that man
Speaker 10: at that time, you know, he was who you know,
Speaker 10: he just really inspired us, you know, and uh so
Speaker 10: there was a a good story coming from that. But
Speaker 10: I wrote about the Walton Avenue fire in the bronx
Speaker 10: and uh a fire that one story tax backfire with
Speaker 10: exposures and a fire that that we we pride ourselves
Speaker 10: on about being able to put it out in a
Speaker 10: timely fashion and walking away and everybody goes home. And
Speaker 10: conditions were just right at this fire for a disaster
Speaker 10: to what happened. First of all, it was in August day.
Speaker 10: It was pouring rain. You know, humidity like one hundred
Speaker 10: percent was in the mid seventies. But it was just
Speaker 10: walking around was uncomfortable. And you know, forty two unch
Speaker 10: it was first to arrive. Lieutenant Steve Wall was a lieutenant,
Speaker 10: and they stretched it too and a half inch line
Speaker 10: and they started marching through there. Forty six engines showed
Speaker 10: up and backed them up, and the a second line
Speaker 10: was stretched and you know, you know, it looked like
Speaker 10: we were going to take care of business, even though
Speaker 10: there was a tremendous amount of fire in the back
Speaker 10: of this ninety nine cent store. You think, oh, what
Speaker 10: could be in a ninety nine cent store, But it's
Speaker 10: all plastics, it's all things that are very fammable, and
Speaker 10: a tremendous amount of smoke coming from this and they
Speaker 10: kept calling for the guys on the roof to cut
Speaker 10: the hole of the roof. The roof was already cut.
Speaker 10: The smoke wasn't lifting due to the amidity and h
Speaker 10: so you know that they kept pushing it in it
Speaker 10: that they looked like they were gonna be okay. You know,
Speaker 10: they were knocking the fire down. There was some fire
Speaker 10: in the rear and seventy five engines ended up stretching
Speaker 10: a second another line through a show window and they
Speaker 10: went into the They went into the Taxpayer and they
Speaker 10: were about fifteen feet in when suddenly, without warning, the
Speaker 10: floor gave way and ten guys went into the floor
Speaker 10: and they were trapped, you know, and heavy, heavy smoke
Speaker 10: condition and UH I had a lot of problems to overcome.
Speaker 10: And you know that the uh UH Scottie Maxwell was
Speaker 10: a lieutenant Rescue three. Mickey Cowboy was a lieutenant Squad
Speaker 10: forty one, and they mounted Mike Chanley was the fast
Speaker 10: officer from twenty seven truck. UH he just passed away
Speaker 10: recently and they mounted a rescue off it to try
Speaker 10: to get these guys out and they were. It ended
Speaker 10: up being not not just to collapse with some debris,
Speaker 10: but the debris was so dense it was. It was
Speaker 10: like they were in a trench collapse in the street.
Speaker 10: You know, they had to get these guys out and
Speaker 10: the uh, the debris that fell into there was was
Speaker 10: a lot of matre uh something that made it extremely slippery,
Speaker 10: and they tried to get into these guys and these
Speaker 10: guys were running out of air and trying to dig
Speaker 10: them out and trying to get them out. And one
Speaker 10: of the big things that from a command standpoint, that
Speaker 10: you always think about whenever you have a major incident
Speaker 10: is uh guys trying to jump in and do something.
Speaker 10: You know, even though you know you got people directed
Speaker 10: to do that job, keep fighting the fire, but you
Speaker 10: have you know, you have guys who almost ignore you
Speaker 10: and just try to go in and do it. They
Speaker 10: Battalie Chief Frank Ritchie of the thirteenth Battime was the
Speaker 10: safety operating betime and he was used to keep guys out.
Speaker 10: You know, we got guys taken care of it. More
Speaker 10: people will be a hindrance, stay out, you know, and
Speaker 10: you know they would rotate guys through because they had
Speaker 10: to have a hose line to protect the the rescue
Speaker 10: effort was fire was still coming up through the floor
Speaker 10: through the debris and John Russell was the lieutenant forty
Speaker 10: four truck. He was buried in debris up to his
Speaker 10: chest in his arms, he couldn't move his arms, and
Speaker 10: he was getting burned. He was getting burned in his feet.
Speaker 10: And so it was one of these fires that jeez,
Speaker 10: I never never thought about that before, but it was.
Speaker 10: It was terrible. It took about forty minutes, I guess,
Speaker 10: to get them, and they brought an air cart, you know,
Speaker 10: so that they could try to bring some air in.
Speaker 10: And they finally found Lieutenant car Pluck and firef Riley
Speaker 10: and UH firefighter' Riley was actually underneath the Lieutenant car
Speaker 10: Plunk and may days were being transmitted and.
Speaker 3: It was I I worked that day, chief. I was
Speaker 3: in UH. They called the second squad into UH and
Speaker 3: we went in through the bill Codors and car Plunk
Speaker 3: was talking to us. He was he was saying, Riley,
Speaker 3: the proby is below me. He's he's under me. He's
Speaker 3: under me, he's under me. And he was talking to us,
Speaker 3: and he got him out and then we got Carplunk
Speaker 3: out and then he passed soon after. But he was
Speaker 3: he was, you know, rational, and he was talking to
Speaker 3: us while we're trying to get him.
Speaker 7: Out, which I remember listening to that. All I kept
Speaker 7: saying was that's all he kept talking about. He even
Speaker 7: wasn't even concerned about himself the whole time. All he
Speaker 7: kept saying was.
Speaker 3: And you're right, it was such a humid day that
Speaker 3: did smoke, which it wouldn't lift. It was raining and
Speaker 3: so humid that the smoke just would lift.
Speaker 10: And yeah, one point during the rescue operation they called
Speaker 10: to the command post, two guys, stop operating the hose lines.
Speaker 10: You know, we're getting drowned down here. Yea, there were
Speaker 10: no hose lines operating. This was from the rain. You know,
Speaker 10: it was raining so hard.
Speaker 5: That's that, right.
Speaker 10: I didn't know that, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And how
Speaker 10: a carpluck gave numerous matings. You know, he was in communication.
Speaker 10: Jim Dunlevy was the uh uh the deputy in the
Speaker 10: sixth Division and uh yeah, oh my god, these guys,
Speaker 10: you know, almost died trying trying to get these guys out,
Speaker 10: And you have things that you don't think about. The
Speaker 10: the uh shelving and everything like that. It was now
Speaker 10: twisted metal and if they had to work there, cut
Speaker 10: their way through that with soles trying to get to
Speaker 10: these guys. There was just one obstacle after another.
Speaker 3: It was like a giant mountain of ship that.
Speaker 7: I was going to say this I took. I'm sure
Speaker 7: Chief Lee would say the same thing. Coops will say
Speaker 7: the same thing. We have taken an incredible amount of training,
Speaker 7: incredible over the years. And if you asked me, which
Speaker 7: training sticks out to me in my mind was the
Speaker 7: Firefighter Removal week that they had on Totten where they
Speaker 7: simulated that fire and they had the floor canted and
Speaker 7: they filled it up with I don't know how many
Speaker 7: water bottles. I mean, I don't know how many water
Speaker 7: bottles they had. If there was one bottle, they had
Speaker 7: to be five thousand water bottles in there. And and
Speaker 7: like you said, all this stuff entangled. There was actually
Speaker 7: there were guys under the water bottle. Like you had
Speaker 7: to find where the guys were. But you would slide
Speaker 7: down into this huge v and I think it was
Speaker 7: it was all smoked out and you had to, you know,
Speaker 7: breach through sheet rock. It was really and they had
Speaker 7: the I think Richard Kafani's fire too, like they had.
Speaker 3: That was the hardest training.
Speaker 5: Other than that was the best week.
Speaker 3: Fire Fighting was hot too, but that was the hardest training.
Speaker 7: I can't even imagine doing that, doing that training. I
Speaker 7: can't imagine if it was for real, right, Like in
Speaker 7: my mind, you know, you're drilling, and it's it's you know,
Speaker 7: you have anxiety.
Speaker 5: And you're going through the motion, but I know it's
Speaker 5: just drill, right.
Speaker 7: I cannot imagine being in that scenario like where that's
Speaker 7: going on, Like how pumped up you would have to be,
Speaker 7: Like it would be so taxing on you to have
Speaker 7: to you know, it must have been incredible those first.
Speaker 5: You know hour trying to figure that out.
Speaker 6: At the fire Academy, it is currently a there's a
Speaker 6: prop in Building twelve that is a recreation of that,
Speaker 6: and that is one of the most intense drills. As
Speaker 6: you mentioned the firefighter that survival week is pretty intense,
Speaker 6: but this class, when they run it, it's absolutely incredible,
Speaker 6: and it has the rescue paramedics. They're one of their
Speaker 6: final exams is to go through that and they have
Speaker 6: firefighters in their scream and as they're trying to get
Speaker 6: an aligned to the to a mannequin that's in there,
Speaker 6: they have to do aligne with in the smoke in debate,
Speaker 6: the in debate, the person. It's just it's one of
Speaker 6: the most intense drills. So they do that all the time.
Speaker 6: And you think about think of the names that the
Speaker 6: Chief Jonas was mentioned in right, Lieutenant Conboy working in
Speaker 6: in and kind of Mexico. Right, these guys and the
Speaker 6: cruise that they had, and then we also had Rescue
Speaker 6: four came and he mentioned John John Das mentions Captain
Speaker 6: Bob Morris coming in right, So you think about the
Speaker 6: the amount of training that these people had that are
Speaker 6: coming in here against just insurmountable odds, you know, and
Speaker 6: you know aligned from from it. The debris acted like
Speaker 6: soil in a collapse of a trench. As debris was removed,
Speaker 6: new debris fell into the area and someone someone likened
Speaker 6: it to a bullpit in the like if you were
Speaker 6: in the chat movie, right, you know, incredible.
Speaker 11: Let me comment from outside the ft OI. So there's
Speaker 11: people listening to the show, Oh that's fting y or
Speaker 11: they have that academy bullshits. If you want to train
Speaker 11: for this, whether you reach out to your state fire academy,
Speaker 11: whether you do it in the in the upstairs of
Speaker 11: your firehouse, and here this these excuses so many times
Speaker 11: we had to stop. You have as much chance to
Speaker 11: get guys trapped in a commercial building in you know, Idaho,
Speaker 11: don't matter, or Hi anywhere as you do. New York
Speaker 11: City just has a lot more of them. But if
Speaker 11: you have one of them, you have the potential. So
Speaker 11: for the newer officers who often find themselves you know,
Speaker 11: I'm not getting bullshit.
Speaker 10: Do it in the firehouse.
Speaker 11: This this is a this is an officer's room I'm
Speaker 11: sitting in. You could fill this room up with furniture
Speaker 11: and shut the lights out and put a smoke machine
Speaker 11: in here and put a firefighter in the corner. You
Speaker 11: can still get that done. And that that's one of
Speaker 11: the biggest things is the excuses. There's no excuses.
Speaker 10: To illustrate how bad the smoke condition was. Fireman from
Speaker 10: Rescue through Bobby thanis like.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 10: If you were to if you were to rank him
Speaker 10: a scale of one to one hundred and one, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, that's what he does for a living.
Speaker 10: He's just fantastic. He was on Mountain Mount Eden Avenue
Speaker 10: when the colopse occurred, and uh, by the time he
Speaker 10: hit the sidewalk, he couldn't see anything. He's outside the building,
Speaker 10: and he was crawling with one leg extended, crawling in
Speaker 10: and Kep kept going until his extended leg went down.
Speaker 10: It's okay, I found the hall, you know. And so
Speaker 10: his guy who was you know, he couldn't be more
Speaker 10: experienced than Bobby thanas and uh, and that's how he
Speaker 10: had to approach this fire. That's how bad it was.
Speaker 10: And like I said, everybody, you know, no matter where
Speaker 10: you live, you live, Long Island, upstate, out west, everybody's
Speaker 10: got a store.
Speaker 5: Like this, you know, you know they Dollar General, they're everywhere.
Speaker 5: For God's sake, by.
Speaker 3: Me, probably the for me and you.
Speaker 10: The fact that that caused his fire, that this building
Speaker 10: had a bad fire six years earlier, and uh, they
Speaker 10: think that the construction practices were substandard, and uh, you
Speaker 10: know we have some pictures of it. And yeah, they
Speaker 10: didn't put the same beams back into the into the sockets,
Speaker 10: you know. They you know, they used like make believe trusses.
Speaker 10: You know, they weren't even engineered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got to say, chief leave. I forgot
Speaker 3: to tell you this the offor this is a little
Speaker 3: bit off the story. But I had gone down to
Speaker 3: the rock the other day to do some research of
Speaker 3: the library. That place has you all over it.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I looked at him like he should be proud of
Speaker 3: this place. Man, the proby pavilion, everything there. Man, you
Speaker 3: should be extremely proud of it for what you did
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 6: Oh, just do it all part right, the next generation
Speaker 6: will we'll pick that up and do it. But uh,
Speaker 6: it's marketing. The message at the Fire Academy from the
Speaker 6: minute you walk there. It should be all about learning,
Speaker 6: and that's what we wanted to do. The wolves, everything
Speaker 6: on the walls was there for a purpose. And you
Speaker 6: know it's it's all about this dude.
Speaker 7: You've got you got the the the telephone fire don
Speaker 7: uh memorial done for uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, before.
Speaker 3: You took that, you ran with a brother the uh.
Speaker 7: He used to text me every once in a while. Man,
Speaker 7: he would that was like his like his star. He
Speaker 7: just loved that that was done, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I was so happy for him that it got done
Speaker 7: because he was sick for a long time, you know
Speaker 7: what I mean. He tried, He did that for a
Speaker 7: long time and it in a short period of time.
Speaker 6: Right, Thank you guys for for the awareness of that
Speaker 6: and Billy g and myself on another podcast that had
Speaker 6: him on that had.
Speaker 13: No other podcast what we were on, and spoke about
Speaker 13: that fire, you know, and they used clips of Danny
Speaker 13: speaking uh to do the chapter on him, and it
Speaker 13: was done really respectful, truly really good the respond to
Speaker 13: Resilience podcast and uh, you know uh and now.
Speaker 6: His daughter we just you know, all the authors got
Speaker 6: mailed copies of the books. So his went to his
Speaker 6: his daughter, and his daughter loved, loved to love the
Speaker 6: chapter and it's yeah, she said she could hear her
Speaker 6: dad talking to her through the through.
Speaker 5: The story about that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm not crying, you're crying.
Speaker 6: And as I've told you guys in the past, right
Speaker 6: was I've always I've known about the new pl Phone
Speaker 6: fire for a very long time, but I never knew
Speaker 6: that there was that the people that operated there had
Speaker 6: never received any recognition. And what we did at the
Speaker 6: Fire Academy was a direct result of you guys. Souh,
Speaker 6: just thank you for that.
Speaker 5: That was all him, baby, if he, if he were
Speaker 5: if he would have went away.
Speaker 6: An amazing advocate, amazing incredible.
Speaker 11: I think somebody made a comment before where it became
Speaker 11: who he was, and whether he was teaching out in
Speaker 11: San Diego or when he moved back to New York,
Speaker 11: of the entire conversation, there would be a couple of
Speaker 11: minutes about cancer every single time.
Speaker 3: That's that's it. Man, Sweety Wheel gets the grease band.
Speaker 5: He just thought it, like yeah, he really did.
Speaker 7: I mean when he told us what was happening, and
Speaker 7: we were like, but there was nothing about that. We
Speaker 7: were just like taken back and uh, you know, it
Speaker 7: was just so crazy. How that that job that we
Speaker 7: all know about for so long, like you said, Chief,
Speaker 7: like every I mean, that's one of the fires we
Speaker 7: learned about school, and you know, at least now it's uh,
Speaker 7: you know, it's done good for him.
Speaker 5: I was happy for him to.
Speaker 6: Stare for every firefighter to see. And what's really what
Speaker 6: was really nice to see is that on when he
Speaker 6: passed away, Uh, they put flowers by the memorial at
Speaker 6: the you know nice yeah, at the Fire Academy where
Speaker 6: that where that is for everybody to see. So the
Speaker 6: the FDN Y continues at the Fire Academy and elsewhere.
Speaker 6: So it's great to see that they did that.
Speaker 3: What do you got, Chief, anything else? We wrapped that
Speaker 3: one up. We're gonna go to the next one.
Speaker 10: The on the twenty thirds. I I'm sorry in the
Speaker 10: Telephone Company fire. I did a newsletter with him on
Speaker 10: the Telephone Company fire, and it kind of gave him like,
Speaker 10: uh new energy.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: It was nobody was talking about it, and I think
Speaker 10: I think it was Bobby Athanasis says, you know, you
Speaker 10: should call this guy Danny Noonan. And I got hold
Speaker 10: of him, and oh he was. He was a ball
Speaker 10: of fire, you know. And he gave me a ton
Speaker 10: of information and we did some more research and uh, Lieutenant,
Speaker 10: we found out that Lieutenant Maloney from Rescue three was
Speaker 10: probably the first fatality from from the Telephone Company fire.
Speaker 10: He uh, he was a former fireman a Rescue one
Speaker 10: and John T. Hagen sent them in to do some
Speaker 10: sort of rest, some sort of rescue or search, and
Speaker 10: his lungs were so you know, he came out, he
Speaker 10: was unconscious and everything, and uh, he he went he
Speaker 10: went to a a fire a month later and on
Speaker 10: a like a frame on Third Avenue in the Bronx
Speaker 10: and he he collapsed and died. You know, the guys
Speaker 10: were working right next to him, and uh, the autopsy
Speaker 10: showed you know, layers of heavy tar in his in
Speaker 10: his and that was all from the from the Telephone
Speaker 10: company fire. So he was the first fatality from uh.
Speaker 3: What year was that, So we had to be right
Speaker 3: after the telephone company.
Speaker 10: So it was nineteen seventy five. It was telephone company.
Speaker 6: Wow. Yeah, the lieutenant from Rescue three was only two
Speaker 6: weeks later.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll uh, I'll send you a copy of the newsletter.
Speaker 10: Came out really good.
Speaker 3: How many guys total?
Speaker 10: Do we don't have any? Chief, No, it's well over,
Speaker 10: well over.
Speaker 11: Yeah, guys who died, they didn't even track it back then,
Speaker 11: there was no right you know.
Speaker 10: And Frank, you can probably do a plug for this.
Speaker 11: But there's a National Firefighter Registry now that we encourage
Speaker 11: every firefighter career volunteering to register so we can start
Speaker 11: getting the handle on what the reality is about this.
Speaker 10: Frank, that's probably some of the most dramatic pictures of
Speaker 10: any fire ever.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's coming out of there, crazy God.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Now, black on the building. There's a plaque on the
Speaker 6: building and a plaquet to Fire Academy. Yeah, for the
Speaker 6: six ninety nine firefighters that responded there that day and
Speaker 6: throughout the response over the next day, and we are
Speaker 6: certain that more than one hundred firefighters lost their life
Speaker 6: to occupational cancer due to their exposure at that fire.
Speaker 6: And that was the framework for how we tracked our
Speaker 6: firefighters on September eleventh. So when you think about the
Speaker 6: impact of that fire, there was and that is the
Speaker 6: when you look back at the thirty fires, that that
Speaker 6: is the furthest back we went for any of these fires,
Speaker 6: because it was it was too important to not include that,
Speaker 6: because it was it was a precursor of what's what's
Speaker 6: to come in the fire service. Because that building and
Speaker 6: what that building had, every building today has what is burning,
Speaker 6: the plastics, PVCs, all of that is burning in every fire.
Speaker 6: So we need to do as good a job as
Speaker 6: we can wearing a mask and cleaning up afterwards.
Speaker 11: Arguably that's the fire that really, years later got us
Speaker 11: start thinking more about cancer.
Speaker 10: It really was.
Speaker 11: And not an accepted part of the job, but an
Speaker 11: exceptional part of the job that needed to be looked at.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 3: One of the academy is especially important, and you can
Speaker 3: put the one out of twenty third at the phone
Speaker 3: company building, But which Proby's a going to see that
Speaker 3: but if they walk past it in the academy, they're
Speaker 3: going to see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe he was really looking. He was looking just
Speaker 5: to have a plaque put on the building.
Speaker 3: For God's saying, one of the one of the academy
Speaker 3: is even so much more nice. Proby's going to walk
Speaker 3: by for the next fifty hundred years, you know, and
Speaker 3: they'll they'll ask questions about it, they'll read about it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: Which was the conversation we had because to me, it
Speaker 6: wasn't like it's nice to put it on the building,
Speaker 6: but it was needed to put it at the Fire
Speaker 6: Academy because we needed everybody that comes to you to
Speaker 6: the Fire Academy to know that story. And now they will.
Speaker 6: Generations of firefighters will be better because of because of
Speaker 6: Danny Noonan and his tenacious advocacy for firefighter health and
Speaker 6: wellness to live a long, healthy retirement, because that's what
Speaker 6: that's what that ultimately is about.
Speaker 11: So people see now we're thinking, Okay, great, that's great rafting.
Speaker 11: Why ProBiS But about mine again?
Speaker 10: Bullshit?
Speaker 11: You can do this. You can ship take buy a
Speaker 11: bunch of copies of thirty fives. There it is, give
Speaker 11: it to you. Give that as a gift to your
Speaker 11: graduating class. Whatever it takes. But the information is there.
Speaker 3: Put one and you can't put one down the training center.
Speaker 3: Make it mandatory reading. Whatever you gotta do with. Don't
Speaker 3: no bullshit excuses anymore.
Speaker 8: I just got to get the instructors to raise attention
Speaker 8: to these incidents anywhere.
Speaker 4: In the country. You do, we got that's what I do.
Speaker 3: You we got purchase for all your guys.
Speaker 4: Yet no, no, that's on the order. Actually, just so
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 8: The touch on that is, we actually make our proby's
Speaker 8: research a line of duty death or significant event and
Speaker 8: they have to do a presentation to their fellow classmates.
Speaker 3: Well, guess what, here's the cliff notes for it right here.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: So get all.
Speaker 8: Trying to do my part to uh spread the away.
Speaker 8: We shall, I say, not meet, but we.
Speaker 10: Frank did organized the ceremony for the Telephone Company fire
Speaker 10: at the fire Academy and he had veterans come in
Speaker 10: who were at the fire and guys who were retired
Speaker 10: and everything, and they showed up. They got a they
Speaker 10: got a pin for their uniforms and uh yeah, you
Speaker 10: can see them looking around at each other as we
Speaker 10: finally got recognized. You know, we finally got our due.
Speaker 7: I think I remember that story that the guy's got
Speaker 7: the pins for their Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy leave. But remind me to say thank you,
Speaker 3: dam he's such a good guy man, that guy leave.
Speaker 4: I never heard.
Speaker 6: Well, it's about it's as Danny Noonan would say, it's
Speaker 6: about the six nine firefighters that responded there. And he
Speaker 6: always started any conversation he had it was on behalf
Speaker 6: of the six hundred and ninety nine firefighters. And he
Speaker 6: would also say the telephone workers and and everybody else.
Speaker 6: So I say the same thing, it's done on behalf
Speaker 6: of them. We've had several people reach out for their
Speaker 6: deceased loved one asking if they can get the telephone
Speaker 6: pin for them. Wow, and they have given them to
Speaker 6: them members as well.
Speaker 5: So great.
Speaker 3: We did a show with Danny noon and so guys
Speaker 3: go back and research, look back the you know, search it.
Speaker 3: We did a great show with Danny noon and he
Speaker 3: was great. He was great.
Speaker 7: So yeah, he gave one of the best, the best
Speaker 7: old school today.
Speaker 5: You remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a hell of them.
Speaker 7: One kid there's another kid, Yeah, oh that's right, there's
Speaker 7: one kid.
Speaker 3: Search a little.
Speaker 7: Sucked the floorboards and get in the next room.
Speaker 5: He just said, keep going. If you find one, there's more,
Speaker 5: keep going.
Speaker 3: Gods, we get the next guest to come in, or
Speaker 3: what are we doing here?
Speaker 8: No, he had now he had a duplicate audio problem.
Speaker 8: Both the couldn't hear and he couldn't and I couldn't
Speaker 8: hear him but through the phone. So we told him
Speaker 8: we'd get back and we'll bring him on another day.
Speaker 5: We got a bunch lined up. We'll just keep going. One.
Speaker 5: I think one is I think two might be too much.
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know what. Three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll catch him and I'll tell you what. When
Speaker 6: you have when you have somebody as legendary as Chief Jonas, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's and to have to have had Chief montagne On,
Speaker 6: who was one of my first chief Montagona was one
Speaker 6: of my first chiefs in the Five Day Battalion. Uh,
Speaker 6: he's the chief. Montagonet is the first person that I
Speaker 6: ever saw take photos of like every fire and he
Speaker 6: was one of the guys. So my whole part of
Speaker 6: part of my learning teaching style is about when a
Speaker 6: chief goes go visit your firehouses, visit them often that's
Speaker 6: the best information you're going to get but always lead
Speaker 6: with fire. Tell the brothers and sisters something that about
Speaker 6: a fire that you went to and experience that you had.
Speaker 6: And then if you have other stuff you got to
Speaker 6: you gotta up to me about wearing the right uniform
Speaker 6: or overtime, do that, but first talk about fire. Lead
Speaker 6: with fire, Lead with the things that are going to
Speaker 6: injure or kill the brothers and sisters. Well, ken in
Speaker 6: five in five seconds from now, you show them your
Speaker 6: care for them when you do that. And I know
Speaker 6: that Chief Montagna always did that. I couldn't wait for
Speaker 6: him to come with a story about a fire like that.
Speaker 6: I know Chief Jonas always did that. And even with
Speaker 6: the newsletter, the newsletter never spoke about white socks. It
Speaker 6: spoke about fire.
Speaker 3: Oh you stole my fuck. Cobla led with white socks.
Speaker 10: All the time. It spoke.
Speaker 6: So Chief Coobler would talk about the white socks. But
Speaker 6: he need to know he's lead with that. He led
Speaker 6: what he wanted you to be drilling. He wanted you
Speaker 6: to be taking care of the men and women that
Speaker 6: you're working with. So yeah, So that's and having Chief
Speaker 6: Jonas tonight on the show is fantastic. Chief Jonas, I
Speaker 6: have a question for you. You mentioned both those fires, right,
Speaker 6: so you mentioned the twenty third Street fire, You mentioned
Speaker 6: the ninety ninth Street the ninety nine cent stories. We're
Speaker 6: talking about Walton Avenue, right. One of the both of them,
Speaker 6: a floor collapses. What are the similarities with that. You
Speaker 6: spoke about it in the pre show a little bit.
Speaker 6: You expand on that a little bit.
Speaker 10: Well, the the similarities is it was a floor overload,
Speaker 10: you know, the the U twenty third Street collapse. The
Speaker 10: fire was in the cellar and initiated in the cellar.
Speaker 10: So you know those floor beams that were that were
Speaker 10: already stressed due to the toazo floor, they were weakening
Speaker 10: with this extra weight and eventually they will give way.
Speaker 10: The ninety nine cents or the fire was in the occupacy,
Speaker 10: wasn't in the cellar, and uh, the it was inferior construction,
Speaker 10: you know from the fire that happened there six years earlier,
Speaker 10: and it got overloaded with water and firemen and boom
Speaker 10: just couldn't hand all the way and down they went.
Speaker 10: And uh it wasn't like you see this large catastrophic
Speaker 10: you know, collops your your rumble for for thirty seconds
Speaker 10: and there there it goes it's coming down. It was
Speaker 10: pretty silent. It was like boom it down their coats,
Speaker 10: you know, and uh, you know it wasn't like the
Speaker 10: you know, the fire showed any difference. It was it
Speaker 10: was already taking off. It was already heavy smoking fire.
Speaker 10: And then but now you have a different fuel component.
Speaker 10: You know that the uh, the commodities that were in
Speaker 10: the store, and so you know, floor collapse. How do
Speaker 10: you how are you gonna how you going to attack it?
Speaker 10: How are you going to get to these guys? And
Speaker 10: you're looking for voids. You're looking for a ways to
Speaker 10: uh uh to find these guys. You're looking for ways
Speaker 10: to uh see where they're see where they're trapped. You're
Speaker 10: looking for pass alarms, you're look looking for ready your feedback.
Speaker 10: You know, you're looking for anything thermal imaging cameras, stuff
Speaker 10: that they didn't have in nineteen sixty six, and I
Speaker 10: you know, those are things that you could use to
Speaker 10: try to find find your way away.
Speaker 7: If I remember when we had Chief done on I
Speaker 7: remember him saying like there wasn't even nothing showing on
Speaker 7: the twenty third street, Like when those guys you wouldn't
Speaker 7: even have known that there was even a fire underneath
Speaker 7: you if I remember right.
Speaker 10: It's just it's absolutely right.
Speaker 5: All of those things are just like what I was
Speaker 5: saying earlier.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, some of those things you could definitely,
Speaker 7: I mean, you could learn from every one of them.
Speaker 7: But some mistakes could make, you know, be made, and
Speaker 7: it just starts the ball rolling right, and then one
Speaker 7: mistake leads to another and another, and then you can't
Speaker 7: almost not get out of it. But then there's fires.
Speaker 7: There's nothing that there's nothing you could even have done there,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, It's.
Speaker 10: Just a big thing you got to remember too, is
Speaker 10: the longer buildings on fire. The building on fire is
Speaker 10: the building that's under demolition, whatever is resistant, what.
Speaker 3: Ever is we just gravity, it's being attacked.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: Uh, it's being attacked. And so you could have volume
Speaker 10: of fire or intensity of fire which would increase that.
Speaker 10: And Walden Avenue had had both had volume and intensity,
Speaker 10: you know, and uh, twenty third Street had tremendous fire
Speaker 10: and a heavy load. But you know the failure of
Speaker 10: the floor, you know, like you said, you know, twenty
Speaker 10: third Street lost twelve guys and unfortunately waldenaven we lost two.
Speaker 7: You know, and uh avenue to it was the same thing, right,
Speaker 7: the guys were up there, they weren't even you know,
Speaker 7: they had a lot of fire, but they didn't even know.
Speaker 5: Next thing, everybody, you know, you got to re construction.
Speaker 10: The ten guys went into the hall, you know, so wow,
Speaker 10: a lot of the a lot of guys were removed
Speaker 10: heroically by these guys. You know, they were taking the
Speaker 10: shellac and uh trying to get these guys out and
Speaker 10: uh uh yeah, I'm sure you know they feel defeated
Speaker 10: that even though they got to these guys, that two
Speaker 10: of them didn't make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what was the time frame chief both fire?
Speaker 3: It was like forty minutes forty minutes in yeah, what
Speaker 3: about forty minutes until they got them out.
Speaker 10: I think it was like twenty three minutes before the
Speaker 10: fire at the floor collapsed.
Speaker 3: So about twenty third Street. You doing how long that was?
Speaker 10: Be Off the top of my head, I think that
Speaker 10: was a lot longer.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say a little bit longer.
Speaker 3: After they couldn't find the fire at first, I think
Speaker 3: they couldn't.
Speaker 10: They couldn't find it, and the building went from twenty
Speaker 10: second Street to twenty third Street. It was round the
Speaker 10: start of the box the street. Yeah. Yeah, so you
Speaker 10: know they were, you know, working their way in and
Speaker 10: you know, self contained breathing apparatus was not readily available.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: Wow, it's a lot of years ago. Is that sick?
Speaker 7: Is that going to be a couple of years? Almost
Speaker 7: seventy years?
Speaker 5: Is holy?
Speaker 6: Somebody in the chat said earlier about Chief Done being
Speaker 6: there at the job. Yeah, so I also believe that
Speaker 6: that was the motivation for him to start writing about
Speaker 6: building construction.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Well, yeah, he's.
Speaker 6: Speaking to him over the.
Speaker 10: Years about some of the fires he was. He's like, to,
Speaker 10: where's Waldorf in New York City Fire Department historical fires
Speaker 10: and he pictures of it. Look closely, but he dones it.
Speaker 5: He lives right around the corner from my nephew. My
Speaker 5: nephew just met him. He's like ecstatic. He sees him
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he you know, he was he was at oh,
Speaker 10: what's the name of the fire?
Speaker 3: Well, he's been to so many of them.
Speaker 4: Which one do you talk about, Chief, Off the top
Speaker 4: of my.
Speaker 10: Head, I can't think about it. Uh, Worcester Street collapse.
Speaker 10: He was at the Worcester Street collapse. He was a
Speaker 10: probe and Nage fifty nine.
Speaker 5: And uh I remember that story too.
Speaker 10: Since they went there the next day to relieve them,
Speaker 10: and it's just there you go. He was at Worcester
Speaker 10: Street collapse, you know he was. He was at twenty
Speaker 10: third Street, he was at you know. He he did
Speaker 10: thorough investigations on wall boumbs. You know, he did a
Speaker 10: lot of stuff on war b They thing on row
Speaker 10: frame fires. He did incredible. He was in charge of
Speaker 10: running that, you know.
Speaker 7: So I'm not sure who's been on more Chief, You
Speaker 7: or him or you leave. I don't know the three.
Speaker 3: Leaves got I think hands down, hands.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chief, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I know we've had probably like four or five times.
Speaker 6: And it all depends if you count to Welcome to
Speaker 6: the Rock Series.
Speaker 3: If you count, you got it. Hands down.
Speaker 4: Man's got that stuff counting.
Speaker 3: Chief is up there. We've had him on a few shows.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Man, he's like a lamp in the office.
Speaker 3: He's not doing another Salties award, bro, we got to
Speaker 3: do another Salties Awards.
Speaker 10: Get the salty.
Speaker 3: See the show we had the Salty Award?
Speaker 5: Oh I got so funny.
Speaker 3: My brother got one, he says.
Speaker 5: He didn't know what to put it on his mantle
Speaker 5: on the toilet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he put on the toilet. I had to. I
Speaker 3: had them film themselves, excepting the salty award. And he says,
Speaker 3: I found a perfect spot for it. And he said,
Speaker 3: puts it by his uh like trying to closet or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he goes, no, this is a better spot, and
Speaker 3: he puts it on the toiletright toilet.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 3: So even though Frank Lee says that that Chief Steve
Speaker 3: doesn't have a sense of human, he does.
Speaker 7: He does have a sense to him. You just don't
Speaker 7: see it.
Speaker 3: Goodness is he's gonna have a sense of human We
Speaker 3: go out the Chief lead retirement party. Bro Joe Wizz
Speaker 3: Joe wis we got to bring presents? Is that presence?
Speaker 6: No, just show up your.
Speaker 3: You know, how about an envelope. I'm going to bring
Speaker 3: an envelope.
Speaker 5: All that money fat envelope.
Speaker 3: I mean you might need it. You're not You're not
Speaker 3: taking any money off this book, So maybe you need
Speaker 3: a little levelope. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: A fixed income now, you know is is.
Speaker 3: Not a face income? Right now, Bro, anybody else want
Speaker 3: to do anything? We want to wrap up here. What
Speaker 3: do we got, Chief Lee?
Speaker 6: No, just thinking about the Atlantic game and you fire
Speaker 6: and uh, just the similarities, right with a floor collapse
Speaker 6: and you know, sending five of our brothers. Ah, you
Speaker 6: think about that about that, right? So just because it
Speaker 6: was mentioned earlier about the Atlantic Avenue fire, and I'm
Speaker 6: just thinking some of the some of the people listening
Speaker 6: may not be may not be familiar with that. With
Speaker 6: that fire and there was some beams that were taken
Speaker 6: out underneath that, uh, and the and the brothers were
Speaker 6: above that when it collapsed and and they went into
Speaker 6: the hole.
Speaker 7: When you start thinking about all of those jobs, a
Speaker 7: lot of it is construction, like Black Sunday, you know construction, right,
Speaker 7: It's all of these you know named fires that we have.
Speaker 5: It's this constant theme.
Speaker 3: Gonzo I sent the pictures of the Atlantic Atlantic.
Speaker 4: I thought it was the other one you talk about, Vidalia.
Speaker 3: No, I sent those at Atlantic.
Speaker 4: You did give me a second? We pull them up? Okay,
Speaker 4: yes you do. Let's see.
Speaker 6: Jimmy Blackmore.
Speaker 4: Well, you got the two gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Called made it out right? He survived that, only get
Speaker 3: killed on nine to eleven.
Speaker 7: Danny Witzel was working that day too, he's a lieutenant eight.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, what do you got guns?
Speaker 3: You got pictures of that one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a couple here.
Speaker 3: What do we have on rophy that was at that job?
Speaker 5: Uh, we had Warren Fukes talked about that job.
Speaker 3: Somebody else was on the A chief I think was
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 5: Oh that was Uh, yes, he had he had the job,
Speaker 5: was it killed, had the jobs.
Speaker 3: And I don't call him man, that's you.
Speaker 4: You tight with him, Louis on the top, Louis on
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: I called him duff. I don't call him ed. You
Speaker 3: call him one of the chiefs.
Speaker 6: And it may have been him who had his gear on,
Speaker 6: went in and wound up on the I believe wound
Speaker 6: up on the hose line or followed the hose lineing
Speaker 6: and so it went down.
Speaker 7: Oh we had another Yes, we had a few guys.
Speaker 7: We had a few guys about that, talk about that job.
Speaker 4: So this is that's again.
Speaker 7: That's what I like about that firsthand experience is you
Speaker 7: kind of get a little bit more insight. You can
Speaker 7: never get enough information on these things. And you know,
Speaker 7: if you get a little bit more information from something
Speaker 7: that's not in a report from the job or something,
Speaker 7: it just makes it better.
Speaker 3: You know what, why don't we write a book about
Speaker 3: fires from guys from the first hand experience.
Speaker 5: Already swinging it miss he struck them.
Speaker 8: And it prevents a lot of that Monday night quarterback
Speaker 8: and you can actually learn some stuff.
Speaker 3: So these pics from the Atlantic Cabinet.
Speaker 4: Yes, and then this is the other what you have
Speaker 4: there as well.
Speaker 7: So you guys, you guys know that we squat two
Speaker 7: eighty eight actually relocated that night to three point thirty
Speaker 7: two and we went into fire house when uh, when
Speaker 7: that happened.
Speaker 5: We could hear it on the handy talking right down
Speaker 5: the block.
Speaker 7: And I remember looking at his shoes.
Speaker 5: Like where he got into his bunker gear, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 7: And they when they came back, and it was, you know,
Speaker 7: the chief you know, all the chiefs started coming from all,
Speaker 7: you know, from everywhere, and then we ended up leaving,
Speaker 7: but guys came back started talking about the job. And yeah,
Speaker 7: that's one thing I remember, because we weren't we were
Speaker 7: a squad, but we weren't online yet. We were still
Speaker 7: an engine and we still could get relocated. And we
Speaker 7: got relocated at three thirty two, and I remember looking
Speaker 7: at his shoes, thinking about how many times we get
Speaker 7: in and out of our shoes, right, and uh, you know, come.
Speaker 3: Back time he went in and out of his shoes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Somebody's saying, QC beast, my boy, he's saying Chief Galvin
Speaker 3: was the other guy who was there?
Speaker 7: Oh Galvin? Yep, it's old mishmash. Now we're up there,
Speaker 7: like twenty six. I can't remember who was where and
Speaker 7: what and how.
Speaker 3: How many shows?
Speaker 5: Six?
Speaker 3: Holy Machael, So you take about twenty from leave with
Speaker 3: down to two hundred.
Speaker 5: What do you mean twenty seven?
Speaker 4: Come on, man, come on, man.
Speaker 3: Well what other shows we have you booked for the
Speaker 3: next two months? Correct at least?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know you haven't at least the next.
Speaker 3: Two months, maybe three months. So what fires are we
Speaker 3: gonna do next? Talk to us, give us a little taste,
Speaker 3: a little teaser.
Speaker 10: I'm not sure. So we were covering.
Speaker 6: So the idea was the first with you guys, to
Speaker 6: make sure we covered the fires that were New York
Speaker 6: City fires. And in the book there's five of them. Uh,
Speaker 6: so we covered one of them tonight.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: And then, as I mentioned earlier, Danny Moonan was covered already,
Speaker 6: so we still have to do Vandalia Avenue. We still
Speaker 6: to do Black Sunday.
Speaker 5: So let's work on the Vandali one. Let work on
Speaker 5: the Chiefs.
Speaker 7: We got to do that prior to coming on, like
Speaker 7: an hour before the show obviously.
Speaker 11: Yeah, tag, especially for the the listeners who may be.
Speaker 4: A bit younger, You're not gonna want.
Speaker 6: To miss that show. You're not gonna want to miss
Speaker 6: any of these.
Speaker 11: But Chief Montagna, his reputation is as well known as
Speaker 11: you'll hear from these guys. But he'll tell you the
Speaker 11: story of that fire like like you've never heard.
Speaker 3: Really. I was looking forward to hearing him too, because
Speaker 3: I don't know too much about that.
Speaker 5: I know a little bit Pollie uh.
Speaker 7: In the chat he said Clancy was the same thing
Speaker 7: he went through the floor to correct.
Speaker 11: When when Frank retired, If I'm not mistaken, he he
Speaker 11: was the most senior chief in the job at the
Speaker 11: time and cool, calm, collected, just just a gentleman that
Speaker 11: I had.
Speaker 6: So I look forward to having him back on this. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And when when he right before he retired, he was
Speaker 6: at the Fire Academy and they sat him down and
Speaker 6: just interviewed him for like I want to say, they
Speaker 6: did it a couple of days in a row to
Speaker 6: just try and get some of the nuggets that that
Speaker 6: he had, and yeah, he's that's gonna that's gonna be
Speaker 6: a really good show that that fire. I had worked
Speaker 6: in that area of Brooklyn and we went to the
Speaker 6: Squads right before right before that, right before that fire.
Speaker 6: That same year they formed the Squad the new Squad Companies,
Speaker 6: and I left that area because I went to work
Speaker 6: in Squad two seven.
Speaker 3: I had to go on the calendar for November seventh, Buddy, Thursday,
Speaker 3: November seventh, we're gonna do more of thirty fires.
Speaker 5: That one, let's the chief to do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like to cover the New York
Speaker 6: City ones with you guys first, if we could get
Speaker 6: those done, and then uh, coops, obviously you're gonna be
Speaker 6: the Father's Day one, and then the Black Sunday we
Speaker 6: just got we had a couple of authors for that one,
Speaker 6: and uh well, if you're aware, we just yeah, so
Speaker 6: we'll get those as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll go we gotta go to the
Speaker 3: rest of the country, guys want to I want to
Speaker 3: hear stories from the rest of the country. I know,
Speaker 3: I want to hear other ones. So yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think might be the one. You might be capturing the
Speaker 3: salty for the most guy. I mean, we got you
Speaker 3: booked probably now until May with all these stories, bro,
Speaker 3: so you might take the.
Speaker 6: So your to your credit, when I told you that
Speaker 6: I was that we were going to do these fires
Speaker 6: on a couple of different podcasts, you said that that
Speaker 6: you'll do as many as uh as we need to
Speaker 6: to get all of them done. So I super appreciate that,
Speaker 6: and that's why we I think we booked three of
Speaker 6: them already right away to I.
Speaker 3: Don't want you Yeah, no, no, I don't want you cheating
Speaker 3: on me. You do them all on this show, bro,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: There's no other no other podcast.
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you gonna get? Throw another podcast?
Speaker 3: You'll get like six listeners. Come on, bro, all right,
Speaker 3: listen before we get we have to do. I know
Speaker 3: a guy who works at this place fr Ce. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a really smart guy. Bro's do we.
Speaker 4: Want to have him give us a health safety tip tonight?
Speaker 3: He can give a second one, but I have one.
Speaker 3: I want to give him.
Speaker 6: The first responder senter for are excellent. I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I would love if you set
Speaker 3: me the new q A code. That would be even better, Bro.
Speaker 3: But I know you know busy guys, busy is it often?
Speaker 5: Now you got to tighten the bolts. Cool, you got
Speaker 5: to tighten the.
Speaker 3: Ball the bolts on yesterday?
Speaker 6: Call it?
Speaker 3: What do we got you ready for the show tomorrow?
Speaker 5: I saw, I saw that whole.
Speaker 10: All the guys.
Speaker 5: I'm like the text change, texting was classic. I'm like,
Speaker 5: the only was right on it.
Speaker 6: The only reason why this podcast is even on tonight
Speaker 6: is because Lou stepped in today to make sure that
Speaker 6: everything was squared away.
Speaker 3: Really, that's what you're gonna go with.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that I'm not chump.
Speaker 3: You had to today. Oh we got seven guys coming
Speaker 3: on the seven.
Speaker 7: Guys guys, that's not even, that's not even how. I
Speaker 7: love how he makes this whole thing up as soon
Speaker 7: as it goes back on him right on. See how
Speaker 7: fast he was.
Speaker 3: On me, Bro, I threw you right it basically fast you.
Speaker 7: Were you were just talking about him, And now he's
Speaker 7: an that's talking to my guy all wrong.
Speaker 6: That's wrong.
Speaker 5: That's all he's got. He's got, that's all screaming and
Speaker 5: yelling that's.
Speaker 3: Only about how it goes.
Speaker 6: And you just played.
Speaker 10: You just laid back and let you.
Speaker 7: I don't even pay to I don't even care. I
Speaker 7: don't even know what he's doing anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I missed that pretty good. Oh my god, God, play
Speaker 3: the commercial.
Speaker 4: So here we go. He's yelling, amoids, Here we go.
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Speaker 3: All right, so my health and safety tip for tonight
Speaker 3: is this, bro. We always talk about getting to the doctor.
Speaker 3: You know, early detection important, no doubt, But there are
Speaker 3: things you can do before you get into that situation,
Speaker 3: and this is one of them.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 3: But you got a book, right, great book. How about
Speaker 3: we put down the phones a little bit and we
Speaker 3: engage our brains to keep a shop as we get older,
Speaker 3: and we do this thing that they used to do
Speaker 3: back in the old days, roofy, It's called reading.
Speaker 8: Is it reading?
Speaker 3: A great thing? Bro? Guys are read, They're on here,
Speaker 3: they're doing this, doing this all the time. So let's
Speaker 3: do me favorite. Let's stimulate the brain. Let's get back
Speaker 3: to reading for our minds. Let's get back to working
Speaker 3: out and eating healthy. Also get to the doctor. But
Speaker 3: let's take these steps before we have something to go wrong,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, before we lose our marbles.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember who Louis is or Donzo, you.
Speaker 10: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So there are things that you can do before shit happens.
Speaker 3: That's what I got to say. That's my health and
Speaker 3: safety tip. I'm sure Chief Leaves got one from go ahead,
Speaker 3: how long?
Speaker 6: Chief, Well, I'm going to just expand on something in
Speaker 6: the commons. Somebody said that Frank Mindtagne. Chief Montagona wrote
Speaker 6: a lot of articles for w n y F. One
Speaker 6: of them, so if you know what the white ghost is.
Speaker 6: That was from an article about oil burner fires that
Speaker 6: he wrote many many years ago. When the oil burner
Speaker 6: doesn't ignite, but it keeps, it keeps injecting the fuel
Speaker 6: and that can ignite. And that was for years when
Speaker 6: w nafs were testable in the FD and Y, everybody
Speaker 6: would talk about the white ghost, and that came from
Speaker 6: Chief Frank Montagna. But I think your your health and
Speaker 6: wellness tip of the day is spot on. It's all
Speaker 6: about making sure we take care of ourselves. Do it
Speaker 6: for do it for you, do it for your family.
Speaker 6: Think about Danny Noonan and his advocacy. Where your seba.
Speaker 6: It's about making sure that we don't take years off
Speaker 6: of our lives that are retirement years.
Speaker 3: So again, you don't want to be like my old
Speaker 3: man bro he retired in eighty nine, dead in ninety three.
Speaker 3: Didn't collect. My brother retired in two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: dead in I don't know how many years, five, six,
Speaker 3: ten years, whatever it is. You want to collect for
Speaker 3: a long time, right ro If you want to play golf,
Speaker 3: you want to shoot innocent animals, You want to get
Speaker 3: out there and do shit yourself.
Speaker 5: So you want to do I keep saying I got
Speaker 5: ship to do, man, I gotta keep thinking.
Speaker 3: That you want to eat giant trays of lasagna, right Chief,
Speaker 3: want to enjoy life, So get out there and keep
Speaker 3: yourself healthy. Thanks Billy with that mustache. I love it.
Speaker 3: Thanks coming on. I'm sure I'm going to see you
Speaker 3: on November seventh. If you any final words, Billy.
Speaker 4: Bone, gotta get past your stage.
Speaker 10: You know he's talking.
Speaker 4: That's a tough one right there.
Speaker 11: I think if there's one comment, it's about the role
Speaker 11: of the company officer, especially to other departments. New York
Speaker 11: City has known forever the important of investing in your
Speaker 11: company officers. So many departments don't uh the success. What
Speaker 11: keeps the fire chief of at night is poor company officers.
Speaker 11: So focus on your company officers, company offices. Here's a
Speaker 11: book for you to read.
Speaker 10: Start with that.
Speaker 6: But firefighters, your.
Speaker 11: Success is going to be based upon, obviously what you
Speaker 11: do yourself, but your boss.
Speaker 10: Support your boss.
Speaker 11: If they say it's drill time, get up off the
Speaker 11: bunk bed, put the phones down, like you said, get
Speaker 11: out there and do some training. The best the best
Speaker 11: companies are run by the best company officers.
Speaker 6: Just my thoughts.
Speaker 10: Thanks, thanks for having us, guys.
Speaker 3: We're going to see you five more times. Who knows
Speaker 3: we get all thirty of them crying out loud.
Speaker 10: Chief J.
Speaker 3: Jones any final comments from you, my friend?
Speaker 10: I was thinking the uh one of the things that
Speaker 10: I discovered when I was writing one of my newsletters
Speaker 10: on solo fires. Our track record with seller fires is abysmal.
Speaker 10: We lose a lot of guys and seller fires over
Speaker 10: the years. And Uh, there's four ways to fight a
Speaker 10: cellar fire. Conventional way by going down the cellar stairs
Speaker 10: and trying to put the fire out.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 10: Second way is an indirect way by putting a cellar
Speaker 10: pipe in. Third way is to get high X phone
Speaker 10: and foam it out. And then the last way it
Speaker 10: would be the flood. Yeah. But the uh, one thing
Speaker 10: I picked up on this, like I said, I put
Speaker 10: it in one of my newsletter was you gotta be proactive.
Speaker 10: You know thinks it takes time to put some of
Speaker 10: this stuff into operations. The if you're starting your attack
Speaker 10: with the conventional hos like going down the cellar stairs,
Speaker 10: started signing a company to get ready to put the
Speaker 10: the cellar pipe in, start cutting the floor, get getting ready.
Speaker 10: That doesn't happen overnight. You know, you got to get
Speaker 10: the gate, you gotta you gotta get the distributor and
Speaker 10: the two inf inch hole. So if the first way fails,
Speaker 10: the second way is ready to go. You can't be reactive.
Speaker 10: You've got to be proactive. And if you you're deploying
Speaker 10: the cellar pipe, you know, start getting special the high
Speaker 10: X phone.
Speaker 5: You ever see the high X phone mark?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's time for the high.
Speaker 10: Have seen the celi.
Speaker 5: Telepipe. I've seen that. I really know.
Speaker 10: I had a fire white planes road once and I
Speaker 10: got on the radio says, all right, who's gotta cellfie?
Speaker 10: And I questionate it. Somebody better produce the cellar.
Speaker 5: It's holding the it's holding the office door open. Cheap.
Speaker 5: What's that?
Speaker 10: But like I said, our track record was selfies is
Speaker 10: not good, you know. So if you could find ways
Speaker 10: to uh be more efficient and put this fire out,
Speaker 10: at least with the cell pipe, you're gonna buy time.
Speaker 10: You're not gonna put the fire out, but you're gonna
Speaker 10: buy some time. You might be able to get that
Speaker 10: that horse lie down the stairway after you operate for
Speaker 10: a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you coming on a wonderful book. We're
Speaker 3: gonna dive into all these stories. We're gonna get through
Speaker 3: all thirty of them.
Speaker 6: All.
Speaker 3: That's a promise for me, Chief Leave and mister Gold.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get through all thirty of them. Love them
Speaker 3: by the book. Get out there. Let a couple of
Speaker 3: dollars out of your fire.
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Speaker 5: No, we just got We're not sure for next week Thursday.
Speaker 7: I got a couple of guys in the works, but uh,
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Speaker 3: All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming out again. We
Speaker 3: will continue this in the future. Until then, brothers, stay
Speaker 3: low and go.
Speaker 5: All right, everybody will see it the big one. Thanks again, guys.
Speaker 4: All right, guys, thanks for tuning. Have a great night.
Speaker 4: Goodnight everyone,