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<v Speaker 1>Hm disclaimer. We'd like to know before the start of

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<v Speaker 1>this interview that the opinions about to be expressed by

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<v Speaker 1>the guest of Tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that

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<v Speaker 1>of the guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect

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<v Speaker 1>the views of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Hello, yes, hello, Darren P.

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<v Speaker 4>You got it right, Darren P.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. A boy text me the other day while I

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<v Speaker 3>was watching the Met game. That's not I want to

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<v Speaker 3>throw up. While I was watching the Met game.

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<v Speaker 5>That was a fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't know that was a that.

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<v Speaker 4>Might have been another one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cracking himself up. You love.

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<v Speaker 5>Cracking me up.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody pro you gotta keep I dout cares about the

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<v Speaker 3>ranges one nothing we informed on the Met game.

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<v Speaker 5>Please Procaccini's playing tonight to sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure, sure, back to Get told the Experienced podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>the only one that brings the fire house kitchen table

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<v Speaker 3>to you with You know, we have a world famous

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<v Speaker 3>author on tonight. I think he's the author of two books. Tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy, do.

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<v Speaker 5>You have your uh? I was waiting to see if

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<v Speaker 5>you had your pipe.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have it somewhere here. Yeah, oh, we have

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<v Speaker 3>a The author was to leave. It's a gold Feder on.

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<v Speaker 5>Gold Feeds. It sounds like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Found all right he does. Yeah, got a hell of

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<v Speaker 3>a mustache. Too many?

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<v Speaker 5>What does he got? Gone? You muted?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry you try.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to now are you telling you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm juggling multitasking right now?

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<v Speaker 5>This might be the guy.

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<v Speaker 7>If you see this guy walking around, this could be

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<v Speaker 7>chief golfend.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be a short, little uh short little blip.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Long the string man.

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<v Speaker 6>If you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>I mustache.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I don't want to go too long with that.

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<v Speaker 8>Agave us a Dingay.

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<v Speaker 3>We got this book that came out that mister Leeb,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Lee, Chief Leave and gold Feder wrote. It's about

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<v Speaker 3>thirty fires you must know. We're gonna find out why

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<v Speaker 3>we must know these ones, what made them want to

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<v Speaker 3>write this book, and why they chose the fires that

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<v Speaker 3>they chose. And we're gonna talk about a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>them tonight that happened in the fbo Wi. This this

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<v Speaker 3>fire is all around the country that they cover here,

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<v Speaker 3>so it would be a good show. Put your listening,

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<v Speaker 3>put your ears on, and you're gonna pick up some

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<v Speaker 3>information here, some valuable information, and you can hear some

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<v Speaker 3>good stories.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately they don't wind up being happy stories. But you

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<v Speaker 3>might want to look at fire number seventeen, the Father's

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<v Speaker 3>Day Fire. Oh I happen to write that chapter. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>you might want to check down en.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you have your piping in your mouth and your

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<v Speaker 5>as I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrote it, I had to pipe in the mouth. I

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<v Speaker 3>was puffing along.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you Did you happen to see this right here?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? Where did that come from? When am I getting that?

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<v Speaker 7>I got to send it to you? And this this

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<v Speaker 7>is my boy Frankie.

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<v Speaker 3>The motto I'm gonna have him on the show, right,

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<v Speaker 3>he was gonna have him on the show?

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<v Speaker 5>Made you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Our first EMS guy, our first paramedic coming on the shelves.

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<v Speaker 5>Old school, old school MS too.

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<v Speaker 3>For the merger, Before the merger, why don't we sell

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<v Speaker 3>some of that stuff on the website. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if anybody wants to think he's doing uh, what's

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<v Speaker 7>the website again? Fish at fdnyfish dot com. Check out

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<v Speaker 7>but you got to send him an email.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh all right, there you go. All right, look at

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<v Speaker 3>the commercials down of the way, so we can get

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<v Speaker 3>these esteemed gentlemen in here. He's gonna do himself again.

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<v Speaker 4>What sorry, I'm juggling in the background.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, and you're gonna do it like this, All right,

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<v Speaker 3>A pair.

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<v Speaker 4>Of hands and some balls and some fingers, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Established in nineteen thirty and under the current ownership since

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven, the New Jersey Fire Equipment Company handles

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<v Speaker 5>The importance of their work.

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey Fire has represented Scott since Earl Scott entered

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<v Speaker 5>World War II.

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<v Speaker 2>and Akron Brass, Hygenol, fire hooks, Arcticompressors, MSA, Carn's Helmets, Kemguard,

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<v Speaker 3>Wonderful. We'll pop out Vince's commercial quick and then I

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<v Speaker 3>have a good one for the FRCEE later.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>and renovating your station's floors, covering nearly six hundred floors

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<v Speaker 1>across the country. Proudly made in America, armortuff comes with

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<v Speaker 1>a lifetime warranty and are usually installed in one or

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<v Speaker 1>two days, depending on the size of your station, with

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<v Speaker 1>virtually no disruption in your station's operation. Our system is

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed from chipping, cracking, peeling, breaking, or staining. The tiles

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<v Speaker 1>are stained resistant and impervious to chemicals or VALLA tires

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<v Speaker 1>that are used in the fire service damage one tile,

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<v Speaker 1>lift and replace without anyone knowing. And once installed, your

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<v Speaker 1>Is your current floor slippery? Eliminate the slip with armor tough.

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<v Speaker 3>You asked me what the frishing coefficient? Well here it

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<v Speaker 3>is coefficient. What a dick?

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<v Speaker 4>You guys a tool?

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<v Speaker 5>Can we cut that thing out? By now?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean controlling it over there? All right, let's do

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<v Speaker 3>it roughy, let's do it me.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know I was ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm ready. Who do you want first? This is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a tough one, baby, working on.

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<v Speaker 5>The only one.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy you gotta bring the first. The guy's gonna strap

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<v Speaker 3>a bib on and dive into homasagna. Tonight, bro a

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<v Speaker 3>little cup of red dad, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>Coming to the stage as always one of our favorites,

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<v Speaker 7>Deputy Chief j Jonas, Chief Francy sleep there.

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<v Speaker 9>And the calliage she Bill Goldfai.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jack goes, what the hell of a dick duster?

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<v Speaker 3>Really quick? Come on, we gotta get we gotta dive in.

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<v Speaker 4>You roll there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I pleasure allegiance to the flag of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of America and to the Republic, for which it stands,

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<v Speaker 2>one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, Billy's got his uh, Billy's got his people out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at that. Excellent? All right, So let's dive into

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<v Speaker 3>the book a little bit. But for us, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see the chief leave. How you doing it? Aw's retired,

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<v Speaker 3>live treating.

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<v Speaker 6>You doing good?

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<v Speaker 3>How you guys doing doing great? We're not writing books though,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not, We're not doing the stuff that you're doing.

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<v Speaker 6>You wrote a chapter of it, right, you wrote it.

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna couple yours on your chapter on a future

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<v Speaker 6>show and we'll kidding decide. Your chapter is fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much. I enjoyed writing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, he's never mine. The head's not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>fit in the the screening.

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<v Speaker 10>A few Its good for you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a number.

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<v Speaker 3>Love you brother number love mister Goldfinder. How are you,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Goldfer.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, thanks for having us on. This has been quite

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<v Speaker 11>a project and we'll talk more when we get into it,

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<v Speaker 11>but thanks for helping us with this projects. As Frank

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<v Speaker 11>will tell you, and I'm going to remind everybody, of

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<v Speaker 11>the proceeds of this book are going to four fire

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<v Speaker 11>service charities.

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<v Speaker 6>Firefighter Can't Support Network, Tunnel.

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<v Speaker 11>To Towers, Hire, a First Responder Center of Excellence, and

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<v Speaker 11>the Chief Ray Downy Scholarship. So neither Frank Leeber, myself

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<v Speaker 11>or any of the thirty contributors I'm making a nickel

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<v Speaker 11>on this. This is strictly a fundraiser and an opportunity

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<v Speaker 11>to get firefighters to understand about their past.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, thank you all right, Nice to do that there too.

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<v Speaker 7>Right now he's taking in jobs. Well we'll yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 7>at the anytime he could be could be flying down.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are a lot better than us, Louis, we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be donating all the proceeds.

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<v Speaker 10>That's just.

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<v Speaker 3>Jonas. How are you?

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<v Speaker 10>How are we doing? Guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Fantastic Lasagna to my chief.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, God blessed that woman.

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<v Speaker 8>God bless that Monday, right Garfield on mondaysign little red Wine.

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<v Speaker 10>We forget about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So who's initial whose initial idea was distant leave, go

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<v Speaker 3>to Billy, Billy, go to Lee? What happened?

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<v Speaker 11>Frank and I we talked quite a bit about close

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<v Speaker 11>calls and other incidents, and and I was at a firehouse.

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<v Speaker 10>One day and I was planning to the crew.

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<v Speaker 11>About something and I said, you know, it's just like

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<v Speaker 11>what happened in Hack and Sack. They looked at me

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<v Speaker 11>like I had three heads. That really struck me. They

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<v Speaker 11>didn't understand the word happens, what that means to our business.

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<v Speaker 11>So I started thinking, you know what, this should be

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<v Speaker 11>the next book.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, how do we do it? How do

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<v Speaker 10>they not know about Hack and Sack? How does this

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<v Speaker 10>one not know about that?

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<v Speaker 11>And you think today, with so many forms of communication,

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<v Speaker 11>they would know, But you know what, it's almost like this,

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<v Speaker 11>too many forms of communications today.

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<v Speaker 10>The young firefighters, the ones who want to learn that.

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<v Speaker 11>They're getting innundated, but with every house fire and everything,

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<v Speaker 10>So Frank and I were talking.

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<v Speaker 11>Maryland and Charleston, South Carolina. And Amy was a big

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<v Speaker 11>like that, and I think we came up. Look, Frank,

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<v Speaker 11>and this is our opportunity. We found of those thirty

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<v Speaker 11>we found people who were there or were close to

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<v Speaker 11>basically each chapter I introduced the chapter that someone who

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<v Speaker 11>that particular fire or related or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 11>then Frank puts together a lesson plan after each one.

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<v Speaker 11>So really this book can be learning.

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<v Speaker 11>I wouldn't call it an enjoyable reading, but it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a great gift, but it's also educational because there's

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<v Speaker 11>a lesson plan after each after each chapter that Frank

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<v Speaker 11>see reports of that chapter. So we think it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>Chief Were there any chief leave Were there any fires

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so I'll tell you what. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>and we had around twenty that were the same. And

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<v Speaker 6>then we each had individual fires that we had maybe

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<v Speaker 6>up with a couple of more from that from using

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<v Speaker 6>that method, we asked people that we know around the

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<v Speaker 6>make sure that we got some stories that really rounded

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<v Speaker 6>it out. That we were covering career, volunteer, rural, city departments,

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit of everything. And as Billy said, we

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<v Speaker 6>how do we make these lessons transferable used the wildland firefighter.

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<v Speaker 6>and sisters to similar ways that we have in the past.

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<v Speaker 6>Even even when I was putting together the training, I

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<v Speaker 6>a really good educational book if every single one of

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<v Speaker 6>the drills were the same. But you know, there's certain

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<v Speaker 6>is you can make that as a takeaway for every fire.

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<v Speaker 6>When when things go when things go south, but this,

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<v Speaker 6>this project was truly a laborer love. I learned, I

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<v Speaker 6>learned something I didn't know about every one of these fires.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think Billy will say the same. And as

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<v Speaker 6>true students of our profession, when I learned something new,

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<v Speaker 6>it's uh, you know, I enjoy that and it's really humbling.

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<v Speaker 6>And even getting to know some of the people involved,

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<v Speaker 6>that have been killed, and I've and see how they

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<v Speaker 6>go back to the National form fire Fighter Foundation's Memorial

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<v Speaker 6>Weekend every year, help new families and if we could,

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<v Speaker 6>if we could prevent some of these firefighters from losing

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<v Speaker 6>then not having to go to Memorial Weekend, because line

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<v Speaker 6>of duty deaths have generational impacts on the on the families,

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<v Speaker 6>on the friends, on the coworkers, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 6>more we could prevent that, the better off our profession,

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<v Speaker 6>our beloved profession is. And you know, on the on

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<v Speaker 6>the fire ground, fire that's are are lower than they've

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<v Speaker 6>been in a long time. And that's because we pay

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<v Speaker 6>attention to these to these details that we read these

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<v Speaker 6>line of duty death reports. We have people like Jay Jonas,

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<v Speaker 6>you know in the FDN Y that that studies so

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<v Speaker 6>many different fires and puts information out.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh you know, and never heard of them.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, but you think about that, right, We've we're all

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<v Speaker 12>that Billy g Has put out prior to this and

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<v Speaker 12>this this is another one of those books.

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<v Speaker 6>It's laid out each month, so we start with the

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<v Speaker 6>out so each chapter, chapter one is a January fire,

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<v Speaker 6>at the the book The Last Alarm, the Elmhurst Eagles

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<v Speaker 6>Engine twenty seven lat of one thirty six and Batinion

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<v Speaker 6>four to six. Every day they read from that book,

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<v Speaker 6>but that book is not in daily order. It's it's

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<v Speaker 6>The Last Alarm had and makes it on a country

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<v Speaker 6>wide level. Every every tour in Elmhurst starts with reading

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<v Speaker 6>from the Last alarm and when I was still active

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<v Speaker 6>on the job. One of the things that I would

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<v Speaker 6>have liked to have done before I retired, I would

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<v Speaker 6>have liked to have changed the regulations to where we

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<v Speaker 6>read those that we read those stories and remember the

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<v Speaker 5>Right, that was great, that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's a similar format, but we should read from the

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<v Speaker 6>the start of every tour. And I wanted that. I

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to put u and make that formalized in the

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<v Speaker 6>learning point is a really good way to start.

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to hold on Coop.

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<v Speaker 7>I wanted to just say something quick like, uh, the

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<v Speaker 7>thing that stuck out to me with this was that.

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<v Speaker 7>And what's important to me on this show too is

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<v Speaker 7>you know every we know all the fires, right, they

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<v Speaker 7>all have the names, right, Everybody knows which fire they

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<v Speaker 7>are just by the name, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And over the years just reading the.

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<v Speaker 7>After action report, right, and you know what the job

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<v Speaker 7>put out and what we could have done better, and

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<v Speaker 7>what happened here and all this stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 5>But on the show here we get a lot of.

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<v Speaker 7>People that come on the show, and we get a

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<v Speaker 7>first hand account of a particular job that they were

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<v Speaker 7>at right throughout the years, just you know, the most

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<v Speaker 7>recent ones, but you know in the seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 7>right some of these old timers, and you get a

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<v Speaker 7>first hand account of what those guys saw, similar to

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<v Speaker 7>what you're saying. And that's what I think is important,

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<v Speaker 7>is to get a first hand account. Grant that we

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<v Speaker 7>all know the fire, and we all know most of

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<v Speaker 7>the stuff that we're hopefully learning from those jobs, because

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<v Speaker 7>like you said, it's not an easy book to read,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's not an easy report. Those reports aren't easy

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<v Speaker 7>to go through. It's not easy to listen to the

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<v Speaker 7>handy talkie transmissions. It's just disaster. But to have a

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<v Speaker 7>first hand account of what actually happened kind of puts

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<v Speaker 7>you there little bit and it connects you a little

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<v Speaker 7>bit better, so that you do hold on to a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of stuff I think, you know going forward, especially

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<v Speaker 7>if you are active in your job now you know,

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<v Speaker 11>Me just a real comment, and we didn't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>we had a pretty good feeling this was going to

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<v Speaker 11>be a good success. The first printing sold out in

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<v Speaker 11>thirty days and yeah, and that's from Fire Engineering telling

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<v Speaker 11>us that that's who published the book. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>as I mentioned, you know, there's no money to be made,

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<v Speaker 11>so if we sold one or we sold a million,

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<v Speaker 11>it doesn't matter. The fact is though, that we're able

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<v Speaker 11>to raise money for these foundations. But more importantly, this

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<v Speaker 11>first for this information and it's short stories, but they're

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, Chief Lee, let me ask you when you were

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<v Speaker 3>doing the you know, the drill pot at the end

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<v Speaker 3>we're teaching lessons, did you ever you know, say yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to walk that fine line between Monday morning

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacking and teaching a lesson. There was that that I

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<v Speaker 6>It was always it was always on my mind that

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<v Speaker 6>we we have to be respectful as we honor our

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<v Speaker 6>brothers and sisters. We have to honor them, their memories,

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<v Speaker 6>their families, their co workers. But there's lessons that we

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<v Speaker 6>can learn through the lens of twenty twenty hindsight, and

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<v Speaker 6>we're very respectful with the way we present the fires.

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<v Speaker 6>Even in the editing process, when we gave the manuscript

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<v Speaker 6>to Fire Engineering, we said, please you could edit with billion,

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<v Speaker 6>and myself said all you want, but please don't edit

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<v Speaker 6>like if they're if they're too recent, it may not

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<v Speaker 6>right about those stories. But you know, we we best

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<v Speaker 6>honor our brothers and sisters when we remember and learn

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<v Speaker 6>from their sacrifices, anything that there is to learn from.

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<v Speaker 6>And one of the fires that will that we'll talk

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<v Speaker 6>about tonight, I think you know, and that's the Vandalia

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<v Speaker 6>Avenue and I one of the lines that that Chief

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<v Speaker 6>Montagnet writes in the book was that these firefighters were

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<v Speaker 6>doing their job with the knowledge that we you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna I'm gonna, I don't want to screw it up,

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<v Speaker 6>Lieutenant Carol Carolori firefighter BOP and Firefight A Bohan. We're

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<v Speaker 6>doing their jobs looking for the fire apartment and victims,

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<v Speaker 6>something done successfully so many times before by countless firefighters.

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<v Speaker 6>But this time something was different. What was different was

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<v Speaker 6>openings in the stair room and second floor apartment. Something

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<v Speaker 6>And that is the the takeaway right from a fire

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<v Speaker 6>like Vandalia Avenue, which is a seminal fire in the

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<v Speaker 6>don't know the lessons of Vandalia Avenue, you're doing yourself

427
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<v Speaker 6>and your department of disservice. And it doesn't matter that, yeah,

428
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<v Speaker 6>that that fire was on the tenth floor of a building,

429
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<v Speaker 6>but it doesn't matter that fire could have been on

430
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<v Speaker 6>the second floor, could have been on the first floor.

431
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<v Speaker 6>The lessons are transferable. And again that's that is the genesis,

432
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<v Speaker 6>the reasoning behind behind this book, especially when we have

433
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<v Speaker 6>people that can tell first hand stories of it. And yeah,

434
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<v Speaker 6>but we've worked, we walked that fine line knowing that

435
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<v Speaker 6>and even and even the lessons, some of them, if

436
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<v Speaker 6>I focused on on a particular topic on one I

437
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<v Speaker 6>tried to not repeat the same ones so they could

438
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<v Speaker 6>be related to it, even if they're not even if

439
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<v Speaker 6>it's not a direct correlation to the fire. But when

440
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<v Speaker 6>you read all of these thirty fires and you put

441
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<v Speaker 6>it all together and you take all the different training points,

442
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<v Speaker 6>there is a lot of information that you're going to

443
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<v Speaker 6>drill on. And the other important point that there's a

444
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<v Speaker 6>companion website to this as well where we're going to

445
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<v Speaker 6>put different resources. A link to this podcast will be

446
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<v Speaker 6>will be put on each of the chapters that we

447
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<v Speaker 6>discussed as well, because we want there to be a

448
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<v Speaker 6>ton of drill material. You should never say I don't

449
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<v Speaker 6>know what to drill on today. Right, There's so much

450
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<v Speaker 6>information and this will give you more information than you

451
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<v Speaker 6>can possibly so stay away from it.

452
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<v Speaker 3>What will I will vouch the chief leave because when

453
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<v Speaker 3>I wrote my chapter, he called me up and he said, listen,

454
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<v Speaker 3>we don't only do this, but we have to change something.

455
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<v Speaker 3>The editor wants to change something in what you wrote.

456
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<v Speaker 3>And it was a part of that. I wrote that

457
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<v Speaker 3>when we pulled up to the supermarket on that Hasma

458
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<v Speaker 3>run Rofi, I had the second piece which was like

459
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<v Speaker 3>a bread.

460
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<v Speaker 5>Truck right right.

461
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<v Speaker 3>So Joe Joe Vacilla, who wound up getting hurt that

462
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<v Speaker 3>fire didn't Die sees me driving because I worked at

463
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<v Speaker 3>one sixteen and he says to me, here, Koobs, what

464
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<v Speaker 3>have you got five loaves of bread in the back

465
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<v Speaker 3>of that van? I said, Tom, no, Joe, I got

466
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<v Speaker 3>your sister back here.

467
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<v Speaker 6>Goes.

468
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we got to.

469
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<v Speaker 6>Change that a little bit.

470
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<v Speaker 5>You wrote that in the in the what's the matter

471
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<v Speaker 5>for you? What are you talking about?

472
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<v Speaker 3>Just being honest? That's what happened, you know. So, yeah,

473
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<v Speaker 3>his credits you, bro.

474
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<v Speaker 6>We gotta do we gotta stick to the facts, right,

475
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<v Speaker 6>We gotta know what. We don't want to do anything

476
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<v Speaker 6>that's going to take away.

477
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<v Speaker 7>From well that's the thing, right, you don't want to

478
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<v Speaker 7>disrespect anything. I mean in the end, you know, not

479
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 7>every fire, but obviously when you look back at these fires,

480
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<v Speaker 7>there was some mistakes that things could have been off

481
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<v Speaker 7>a different but not everyone is like that. Some things,

482
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<v Speaker 7>you know, like Kep says, all the time, you're right place,

483
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<v Speaker 7>right time, and things go bad and that's just the

484
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<v Speaker 7>way it is, right.

485
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<v Speaker 6>So, and sometimes we just have better information today, right,

486
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<v Speaker 6>information that wasn't event We didn't know about wind driven

487
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<v Speaker 6>fires right at Vandelia Avenue.

488
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<v Speaker 7>Bow string stuff right all those Yeah, so and sometimes

489
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<v Speaker 7>we don't know a building has been renovated fifty times

490
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<v Speaker 7>or the fire travel that it takes.

491
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<v Speaker 6>So it is, you know, but there are lessons that

492
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<v Speaker 6>we could tease out of these to just make us

493
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<v Speaker 6>a little bit better the next time we're out the door.

494
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<v Speaker 6>And really that's what it's about, right, just to be

495
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<v Speaker 6>a little bit better the next time, and to make

496
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<v Speaker 6>sure that we are aware of all of these different

497
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<v Speaker 6>watch outs, whatever they are, whether it's boasting, trust, construction

498
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 6>of Tazzo floor renovations, wind driven fire flow path. I mean,

499
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.960
<v Speaker 6>there's so many different there's so many different topics that

500
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 6>we have to be aware of, and we hope that

501
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<v Speaker 6>this plays some part in the learning process.

502
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<v Speaker 3>Of reads one of these, right, chief and he picks

503
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<v Speaker 3>up something small that goes somewhere in his head, right,

504
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 3>and he's at a job now, then all of a sudden,

505
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.279
<v Speaker 3>that little piece of information clicks that maybe just saved

506
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<v Speaker 3>his life, you know, like, Oh.

507
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<v Speaker 11>That's all we're trying to do, That's exactly yeah, you

508
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 11>pointed perfectly. It's all we're trying to do is just

509
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<v Speaker 11>kind of fill that hard drive, soft drive, whatever you got.

510
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<v Speaker 11>Oh yeah, should I remember what happened?

511
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<v Speaker 10>At that fire. Oh yeah, I remember this piece.

512
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<v Speaker 3>That's familiar. I remember this reading this somewhere.

513
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<v Speaker 5>You know.

514
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<v Speaker 7>We got to get that young fella in the bottom

515
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<v Speaker 7>right there, get his take on what's going on.

516
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<v Speaker 5>Here, you know, just get right here.

517
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<v Speaker 4>That's going to.

518
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<v Speaker 10>A couple of things.

519
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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, Jeev.

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<v Speaker 10>Today is the fifty eighth anniversary of the twenty third

521
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<v Speaker 10>Street collapse where we lost twelve firemen and many lessons

522
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<v Speaker 10>learned about this.

523
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<v Speaker 6>You know.

524
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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, the drug store had a tasso floor. Anybody who

525
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<v Speaker 10>doesn't know what a tarazo floor is. It's like marble

526
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 10>chips in concrete, and that's highly polished. You walked on

527
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<v Speaker 10>to razzo floors all the time, but this was put

528
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<v Speaker 10>on a wooden floor. And now we have a fire

529
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<v Speaker 10>in the cellar. But one of the guys who responded

530
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<v Speaker 10>to this a very interesting story about this talk about

531
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<v Speaker 10>taking experience and passing it out to somebody else. There

532
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 10>was a guy named Royal Fox. Royal Fox was a fireman,

533
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<v Speaker 10>you know, like Squad eight and that down in like

534
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<v Speaker 10>the Lofe district of Lower Manhattan, Hells hundred acres, And

535
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 10>in nineteen sixty he was a survivor of a fire

536
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<v Speaker 10>on Broadway and he was stuck in a cellar along

537
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<v Speaker 10>with four other fire and they were trapped. They were

538
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<v Speaker 10>sell a fire. They're trapped, and the lieutenant who is

539
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<v Speaker 10>down there in the cellar says, all right, we're gonna

540
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<v Speaker 10>stay here. They're gonna come and get us. And this guy,

541
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<v Speaker 10>Royal Fox, said.

542
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<v Speaker 5>No way, screw that.

543
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<v Speaker 10>So see that stairway, that's the way out, and he

544
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<v Speaker 10>and a guy named Bob Barnacle. Bob Barnacle was in

545
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<v Speaker 10>front of him, and they climbed the stairway and they

546
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<v Speaker 10>got their heads got to the point where the about

547
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<v Speaker 10>the floor level with the ceiling level of the cellar,

548
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<v Speaker 10>and a tremendous amount of heat because the firefire has

549
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<v Speaker 10>really taken off, and Bob Barnacle backs down and the

550
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 10>Royal Fox puts his shoulder into his button, drives him

551
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<v Speaker 10>up to the fire, and then Royal Fox followed him

552
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 10>and they both lived. They both got burned, but the

553
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<v Speaker 10>three guys that remained in the cellar were killed. Fast

554
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<v Speaker 10>forward six years sixty six, Royal Fox gets promoted to lieutenant.

555
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<v Speaker 10>His first tour is a lieutenant in three truck and

556
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 10>their first du at the twenty third Street collapse.

557
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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

558
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 10>And they're operating in the cellar three truck and five

559
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 10>engine and he sees things starting to develop and he says,

560
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 10>oh my god, it's happening again. And you know, he

561
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 10>gathers everybody from five engine and three truck and he says, well,

562
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 10>listen to me, guys, I've been through this before. That's

563
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 10>the way out. And one by one the guys went

564
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 10>up to sell us stairs until it was Royal Fox

565
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 10>and one other guy and he had to do the

566
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.079
<v Speaker 10>same thing he did to Bob Barnacle. The guy stopped

567
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 10>at the ceiling level and Royal Fox put his shoulder

568
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 10>into him and drove him up through the.

569
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<v Speaker 3>Fire and the Javoux all over again.

570
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<v Speaker 10>Man five engine and three truck lived. You know you

571
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 10>talked to Vinny Dunn, was a ve in of that fire.

572
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<v Speaker 10>He says, if it wasn't for Royal Fox, there would

573
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<v Speaker 10>have been twelve more guys killed at that finow. And

574
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 10>he got a medal for that. He got a medal

575
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 10>for it. That's he's the only guy who got a

576
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Speaker 10>medal for the twenty.

577
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 3>He's still alive.

578
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 10>Any kids, I did a fire. I did the nineteen

579
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.839
<v Speaker 10>six sixty fire where he was initially trapped in the cellar,

580
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<v Speaker 10>and Vinnie to Stephano was I found out was his

581
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 10>son in law. And Vinnie to Stephano was a captain

582
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<v Speaker 10>of sixty seven engine and he's so he he ended

583
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<v Speaker 10>up bringing his dad to UH to the division. I

584
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 10>spent the whole afternoon with him, wow, talking and talking

585
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 10>about fires and everything. And you know he almost got

586
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 10>hooked up for the one in nineteen sixty and the

587
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 10>one in nineteen sixty six. He got a medal, you know,

588
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 10>and uh, he passed away in twenty eighteen eighteen. That's

589
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.240
<v Speaker 10>about right.

590
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Uh, the Royal Fox and.

591
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.440
<v Speaker 10>It was it was great, and it's got one of

592
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 10>the all time great names, to the Royal Fox.

593
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

594
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<v Speaker 10>And but there you go. You know, you're trapped in

595
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 10>a cell afire. That's the way out. Don't hunker down here.

596
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 10>It's not going to get better, you know, get out

597
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 10>of the cellon And so that's one of the old

598
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 10>time great stories from the twenty third Street collapse that

599
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 10>we lost twelve guys. Another thing that was mimicked and

600
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<v Speaker 10>I know what happened, and Pete Hagen did it at

601
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<v Speaker 10>UH September eleventh at the World Trade Center when John

602
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 10>o'hagen was actually at a conference or a meeting or

603
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<v Speaker 10>something in Chicago, so he actually got there late, and

604
00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 10>uh he he's all the guys beating down there, trying

605
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 10>to get to these guys, and he called everybody in

606
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 10>at a park across the street and uh he said, look,

607
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 10>I know we all died a little bit in there today.

608
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 10>Let's take our hats off, our helmets off, and say prayer.

609
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 10>And there's a picture of that of all these guys

610
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 10>with their helmets off over their hearts. And uh again

611
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 10>that that was Pete Hayden did that at nine to eleven,

612
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 10>you know, when they when they found uh Chief Gancy

613
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 10>and Bill Fihan. You know, he had everybody stop and

614
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 10>pause and say prayer. And uh you know, talking to

615
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 10>guys who are at that fire, guys who they were

616
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 10>just going in off duty, and they would they would

617
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<v Speaker 10>go to the twenty third Street collapse site and uh

618
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 10>he said, we would have done anything for that man

619
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<v Speaker 10>at that time, you know, he was who you know,

620
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 10>he just really inspired us, you know, and uh so

621
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 10>there was a a good story coming from that. But

622
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 10>I wrote about the Walton Avenue fire in the bronx

623
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<v Speaker 10>and uh a fire that one story tax backfire with

624
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 10>exposures and a fire that that we we pride ourselves

625
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 10>on about being able to put it out in a

626
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 10>timely fashion and walking away and everybody goes home. And

627
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 10>conditions were just right at this fire for a disaster

628
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<v Speaker 10>to what happened. First of all, it was in August day.

629
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<v Speaker 10>It was pouring rain. You know, humidity like one hundred

630
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 10>percent was in the mid seventies. But it was just

631
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 10>walking around was uncomfortable. And you know, forty two unch

632
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 10>it was first to arrive. Lieutenant Steve Wall was a lieutenant,

633
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 10>and they stretched it too and a half inch line

634
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 10>and they started marching through there. Forty six engines showed

635
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 10>up and backed them up, and the a second line

636
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 10>was stretched and you know, you know, it looked like

637
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.280
<v Speaker 10>we were going to take care of business, even though

638
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 10>there was a tremendous amount of fire in the back

639
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<v Speaker 10>of this ninety nine cent store. You think, oh, what

640
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<v Speaker 10>could be in a ninety nine cent store, But it's

641
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 10>all plastics, it's all things that are very fammable, and

642
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 10>a tremendous amount of smoke coming from this and they

643
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 10>kept calling for the guys on the roof to cut

644
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 10>the hole of the roof. The roof was already cut.

645
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<v Speaker 10>The smoke wasn't lifting due to the amidity and h

646
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<v Speaker 10>so you know that they kept pushing it in it

647
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Speaker 10>that they looked like they were gonna be okay. You know,

648
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 10>they were knocking the fire down. There was some fire

649
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 10>in the rear and seventy five engines ended up stretching

650
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 10>a second another line through a show window and they

651
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 10>went into the They went into the Taxpayer and they

652
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 10>were about fifteen feet in when suddenly, without warning, the

653
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 10>floor gave way and ten guys went into the floor

654
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 10>and they were trapped, you know, and heavy, heavy smoke

655
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 10>condition and UH I had a lot of problems to overcome.

656
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 10>And you know that the uh UH Scottie Maxwell was

657
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 10>a lieutenant Rescue three. Mickey Cowboy was a lieutenant Squad

658
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 10>forty one, and they mounted Mike Chanley was the fast

659
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:44.440
<v Speaker 10>officer from twenty seven truck. UH he just passed away

660
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 10>recently and they mounted a rescue off it to try

661
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 10>to get these guys out and they were. It ended

662
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 10>up being not not just to collapse with some debris,

663
00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 10>but the debris was so dense it was. It was

664
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<v Speaker 10>like they were in a trench collapse in the street.

665
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 10>You know, they had to get these guys out and

666
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.320
<v Speaker 10>the uh, the debris that fell into there was was

667
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 10>a lot of matre uh something that made it extremely slippery,

668
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 10>and they tried to get into these guys and these

669
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 10>guys were running out of air and trying to dig

670
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 10>them out and trying to get them out. And one

671
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<v Speaker 10>of the big things that from a command standpoint, that

672
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 10>you always think about whenever you have a major incident

673
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 10>is uh guys trying to jump in and do something.

674
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 10>You know, even though you know you got people directed

675
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 10>to do that job, keep fighting the fire, but you

676
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 10>have you know, you have guys who almost ignore you

677
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 10>and just try to go in and do it. They

678
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 10>Battalie Chief Frank Ritchie of the thirteenth Battime was the

679
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 10>safety operating betime and he was used to keep guys out.

680
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 10>You know, we got guys taken care of it. More

681
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 10>people will be a hindrance, stay out, you know, and

682
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 10>you know they would rotate guys through because they had

683
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 10>to have a hose line to protect the the rescue

684
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 10>effort was fire was still coming up through the floor

685
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 10>through the debris and John Russell was the lieutenant forty

686
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 10>four truck. He was buried in debris up to his

687
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 10>chest in his arms, he couldn't move his arms, and

688
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 10>he was getting burned. He was getting burned in his feet.

689
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 10>And so it was one of these fires that jeez,

690
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 10>I never never thought about that before, but it was.

691
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 10>It was terrible. It took about forty minutes, I guess,

692
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 10>to get them, and they brought an air cart, you know,

693
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 10>so that they could try to bring some air in.

694
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<v Speaker 10>And they finally found Lieutenant car Pluck and firef Riley

695
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 10>and UH firefighter' Riley was actually underneath the Lieutenant car

696
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 10>Plunk and may days were being transmitted and.

697
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<v Speaker 3>It was I I worked that day, chief. I was

698
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 3>in UH. They called the second squad into UH and

699
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 3>we went in through the bill Codors and car Plunk

700
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.480
<v Speaker 3>was talking to us. He was he was saying, Riley,

701
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 3>the proby is below me. He's he's under me. He's

702
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 3>under me, he's under me. And he was talking to us,

703
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and he got him out and then we got Carplunk

704
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.960
<v Speaker 3>out and then he passed soon after. But he was

705
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 3>he was, you know, rational, and he was talking to

706
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 3>us while we're trying to get him.

707
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 7>Out, which I remember listening to that. All I kept

708
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 7>saying was that's all he kept talking about. He even

709
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 7>wasn't even concerned about himself the whole time. All he

710
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 7>kept saying was.

711
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 3>And you're right, it was such a humid day that

712
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 3>did smoke, which it wouldn't lift. It was raining and

713
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 3>so humid that the smoke just would lift.

714
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 10>And yeah, one point during the rescue operation they called

715
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 10>to the command post, two guys, stop operating the hose lines.

716
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 10>You know, we're getting drowned down here. Yea, there were

717
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 10>no hose lines operating. This was from the rain. You know,

718
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:15.679
<v Speaker 10>it was raining so hard.

719
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 5>That's that, right.

720
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 10>I didn't know that, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And how

721
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 10>a carpluck gave numerous matings. You know, he was in communication.

722
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.480
<v Speaker 10>Jim Dunlevy was the uh uh the deputy in the

723
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 10>sixth Division and uh yeah, oh my god, these guys,

724
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 10>you know, almost died trying trying to get these guys out,

725
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 10>And you have things that you don't think about. The

726
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 10>the uh shelving and everything like that. It was now

727
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:48.559
<v Speaker 10>twisted metal and if they had to work there, cut

728
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.039
<v Speaker 10>their way through that with soles trying to get to

729
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 10>these guys. There was just one obstacle after another.

730
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>It was like a giant mountain of ship that.

731
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 7>I was going to say this I took. I'm sure

732
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.440
<v Speaker 7>Chief Lee would say the same thing. Coops will say

733
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 7>the same thing. We have taken an incredible amount of training,

734
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.599
<v Speaker 7>incredible over the years. And if you asked me, which

735
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 7>training sticks out to me in my mind was the

736
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:18.360
<v Speaker 7>Firefighter Removal week that they had on Totten where they

737
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 7>simulated that fire and they had the floor canted and

738
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 7>they filled it up with I don't know how many

739
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 7>water bottles. I mean, I don't know how many water

740
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 7>bottles they had. If there was one bottle, they had

741
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 7>to be five thousand water bottles in there. And and

742
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.679
<v Speaker 7>like you said, all this stuff entangled. There was actually

743
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 7>there were guys under the water bottle. Like you had

744
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 7>to find where the guys were. But you would slide

745
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 7>down into this huge v and I think it was

746
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 7>it was all smoked out and you had to, you know,

747
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 7>breach through sheet rock. It was really and they had

748
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 7>the I think Richard Kafani's fire too, like they had.

749
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 3>That was the hardest training.

750
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 5>Other than that was the best week.

751
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Fire Fighting was hot too, but that was the hardest training.

752
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 7>I can't even imagine doing that, doing that training. I

753
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 7>can't imagine if it was for real, right, Like in

754
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 7>my mind, you know, you're drilling, and it's it's you know,

755
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 7>you have anxiety.

756
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 5>And you're going through the motion, but I know it's

757
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 5>just drill, right.

758
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 7>I cannot imagine being in that scenario like where that's

759
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 7>going on, Like how pumped up you would have to be,

760
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 7>Like it would be so taxing on you to have

761
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 7>to you know, it must have been incredible those first.

762
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 5>You know hour trying to figure that out.

763
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 6>At the fire Academy, it is currently a there's a

764
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 6>prop in Building twelve that is a recreation of that,

765
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 6>and that is one of the most intense drills. As

766
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 6>you mentioned the firefighter that survival week is pretty intense,

767
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 6>but this class, when they run it, it's absolutely incredible,

768
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 6>and it has the rescue paramedics. They're one of their

769
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 6>final exams is to go through that and they have

770
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 6>firefighters in their scream and as they're trying to get

771
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 6>an aligned to the to a mannequin that's in there,

772
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 6>they have to do aligne with in the smoke in debate,

773
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 6>the in debate, the person. It's just it's one of

774
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.000
<v Speaker 6>the most intense drills. So they do that all the time.

775
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 6>And you think about think of the names that the

776
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 6>Chief Jonas was mentioned in right, Lieutenant Conboy working in

777
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 6>in and kind of Mexico. Right, these guys and the

778
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 6>cruise that they had, and then we also had Rescue

779
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 6>four came and he mentioned John John Das mentions Captain

780
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 6>Bob Morris coming in right, So you think about the

781
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 6>the amount of training that these people had that are

782
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 6>coming in here against just insurmountable odds, you know, and

783
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 6>you know aligned from from it. The debris acted like

784
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 6>soil in a collapse of a trench. As debris was removed,

785
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.920
<v Speaker 6>new debris fell into the area and someone someone likened

786
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:59.239
<v Speaker 6>it to a bullpit in the like if you were

787
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:07.199
<v Speaker 6>in the chat movie, right, you know, incredible.

788
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 11>Let me comment from outside the ft OI. So there's

789
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 11>people listening to the show, Oh that's fting y or

790
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 11>they have that academy bullshits. If you want to train

791
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 11>for this, whether you reach out to your state fire academy,

792
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 11>whether you do it in the in the upstairs of

793
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 11>your firehouse, and here this these excuses so many times

794
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 11>we had to stop. You have as much chance to

795
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 11>get guys trapped in a commercial building in you know, Idaho,

796
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 11>don't matter, or Hi anywhere as you do. New York

797
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.440
<v Speaker 11>City just has a lot more of them. But if

798
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 11>you have one of them, you have the potential. So

799
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 11>for the newer officers who often find themselves you know,

800
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:49.159
<v Speaker 11>I'm not getting bullshit.

801
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 10>Do it in the firehouse.

802
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 11>This this is a this is an officer's room I'm

803
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 11>sitting in. You could fill this room up with furniture

804
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 11>and shut the lights out and put a smoke machine

805
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 11>in here and put a firefighter in the corner. You

806
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 11>can still get that done. And that that's one of

807
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 11>the biggest things is the excuses. There's no excuses.

808
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 10>To illustrate how bad the smoke condition was. Fireman from

809
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 10>Rescue through Bobby thanis like.

810
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 4>That.

811
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.320
<v Speaker 10>If you were to if you were to rank him

812
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.199
<v Speaker 10>a scale of one to one hundred and one, you.

813
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 5>Know, yeah, that's what he does for a living.

814
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:33.079
<v Speaker 10>He's just fantastic. He was on Mountain Mount Eden Avenue

815
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 10>when the colopse occurred, and uh, by the time he

816
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 10>hit the sidewalk, he couldn't see anything. He's outside the building,

817
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.840
<v Speaker 10>and he was crawling with one leg extended, crawling in

818
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 10>and Kep kept going until his extended leg went down.

819
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.440
<v Speaker 10>It's okay, I found the hall, you know. And so

820
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 10>his guy who was you know, he couldn't be more

821
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 10>experienced than Bobby thanas and uh, and that's how he

822
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 10>had to approach this fire. That's how bad it was.

823
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.000
<v Speaker 10>And like I said, everybody, you know, no matter where

824
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.280
<v Speaker 10>you live, you live, Long Island, upstate, out west, everybody's

825
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 10>got a store.

826
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 5>Like this, you know, you know they Dollar General, they're everywhere.

827
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 5>For God's sake, by.

828
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 3>Me, probably the for me and you.

829
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 10>The fact that that caused his fire, that this building

830
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 10>had a bad fire six years earlier, and uh, they

831
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 10>think that the construction practices were substandard, and uh, you

832
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 10>know we have some pictures of it. And yeah, they

833
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.440
<v Speaker 10>didn't put the same beams back into the into the sockets,

834
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 10>you know. They you know, they used like make believe trusses.

835
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 10>You know, they weren't even engineered.

836
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I got to say, chief leave. I forgot

837
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 3>to tell you this the offor this is a little

838
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 3>bit off the story. But I had gone down to

839
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 3>the rock the other day to do some research of

840
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 3>the library. That place has you all over it.

841
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 6>Man.

842
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 3>I looked at him like he should be proud of

843
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 3>this place. Man, the proby pavilion, everything there. Man, you

844
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 3>should be extremely proud of it for what you did

845
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:17.039
<v Speaker 3>down there.

846
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.960
<v Speaker 6>Oh, just do it all part right, the next generation

847
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 6>will we'll pick that up and do it. But uh,

848
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 6>it's marketing. The message at the Fire Academy from the

849
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 6>minute you walk there. It should be all about learning,

850
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 6>and that's what we wanted to do. The wolves, everything

851
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 6>on the walls was there for a purpose. And you

852
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.599
<v Speaker 6>know it's it's all about this dude.

853
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.800
<v Speaker 7>You've got you got the the the telephone fire don

854
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 7>uh memorial done for uh.

855
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, before.

856
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 3>You took that, you ran with a brother the uh.

857
00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 7>He used to text me every once in a while. Man,

858
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 7>he would that was like his like his star. He

859
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 7>just loved that that was done, you know what I mean.

860
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 7>I was so happy for him that it got done

861
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 7>because he was sick for a long time, you know

862
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.239
<v Speaker 7>what I mean. He tried, He did that for a

863
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 7>long time and it in a short period of time.

864
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.159
<v Speaker 6>Right, Thank you guys for for the awareness of that

865
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 6>and Billy g and myself on another podcast that had

866
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 6>him on that had.

867
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 13>No other podcast what we were on, and spoke about

868
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.519
<v Speaker 13>that fire, you know, and they used clips of Danny

869
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 13>speaking uh to do the chapter on him, and it

870
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.920
<v Speaker 13>was done really respectful, truly really good the respond to

871
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 13>Resilience podcast and uh, you know uh and now.

872
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 6>His daughter we just you know, all the authors got

873
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 6>mailed copies of the books. So his went to his

874
00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:00.920
<v Speaker 6>his daughter, and his daughter loved, loved to love the

875
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 6>chapter and it's yeah, she said she could hear her

876
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 6>dad talking to her through the through.

877
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 5>The story about that.

878
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm not crying, you're crying.

879
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 6>And as I've told you guys in the past, right

880
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 6>was I've always I've known about the new pl Phone

881
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.400
<v Speaker 6>fire for a very long time, but I never knew

882
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 6>that there was that the people that operated there had

883
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 6>never received any recognition. And what we did at the

884
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.039
<v Speaker 6>Fire Academy was a direct result of you guys. Souh,

885
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 6>just thank you for that.

886
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 5>That was all him, baby, if he, if he were

887
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 5>if he would have went away.

888
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 6>An amazing advocate, amazing incredible.

889
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 11>I think somebody made a comment before where it became

890
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 11>who he was, and whether he was teaching out in

891
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 11>San Diego or when he moved back to New York,

892
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 11>of the entire conversation, there would be a couple of

893
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 11>minutes about cancer every single time.

894
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.480
<v Speaker 3>That's that's it. Man, Sweety Wheel gets the grease band.

895
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 5>He just thought it, like yeah, he really did.

896
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I mean when he told us what was happening, and

897
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 7>we were like, but there was nothing about that. We

898
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 7>were just like taken back and uh, you know, it

899
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 7>was just so crazy. How that that job that we

900
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 7>all know about for so long, like you said, Chief,

901
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 7>like every I mean, that's one of the fires we

902
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 7>learned about school, and you know, at least now it's uh,

903
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's done good for him.

904
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 5>I was happy for him to.

905
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.079
<v Speaker 6>Stare for every firefighter to see. And what's really what

906
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 6>was really nice to see is that on when he

907
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 6>passed away, Uh, they put flowers by the memorial at

908
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.679
<v Speaker 6>the you know nice yeah, at the Fire Academy where

909
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 6>that where that is for everybody to see. So the

910
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.880
<v Speaker 6>the FDN Y continues at the Fire Academy and elsewhere.

911
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:50.360
<v Speaker 6>So it's great to see that they did that.

912
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 3>What do you got, Chief, anything else? We wrapped that

913
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 3>one up. We're gonna go to the next one.

914
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 10>The on the twenty thirds. I I'm sorry in the

915
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 10>Telephone Company fire. I did a newsletter with him on

916
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 10>the Telephone Company fire, and it kind of gave him like,

917
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.480
<v Speaker 10>uh new energy.

918
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 6>You know.

919
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 10>It was nobody was talking about it, and I think

920
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 10>I think it was Bobby Athanasis says, you know, you

921
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 10>should call this guy Danny Noonan. And I got hold

922
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.039
<v Speaker 10>of him, and oh he was. He was a ball

923
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 10>of fire, you know. And he gave me a ton

924
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 10>of information and we did some more research and uh, Lieutenant,

925
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.920
<v Speaker 10>we found out that Lieutenant Maloney from Rescue three was

926
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 10>probably the first fatality from from the Telephone Company fire.

927
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 10>He uh, he was a former fireman a Rescue one

928
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 10>and John T. Hagen sent them in to do some

929
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:54.400
<v Speaker 10>sort of rest, some sort of rescue or search, and

930
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.360
<v Speaker 10>his lungs were so you know, he came out, he

931
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 10>was unconscious and everything, and uh, he he went he

932
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:07.840
<v Speaker 10>went to a a fire a month later and on

933
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 10>a like a frame on Third Avenue in the Bronx

934
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:16.719
<v Speaker 10>and he he collapsed and died. You know, the guys

935
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 10>were working right next to him, and uh, the autopsy

936
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.079
<v Speaker 10>showed you know, layers of heavy tar in his in

937
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 10>his and that was all from the from the Telephone

938
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 10>company fire. So he was the first fatality from uh.

939
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 3>What year was that, So we had to be right

940
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 3>after the telephone company.

941
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 10>So it was nineteen seventy five. It was telephone company.

942
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 6>Wow. Yeah, the lieutenant from Rescue three was only two

943
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 6>weeks later.

944
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I'll uh, I'll send you a copy of the newsletter.

945
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 10>Came out really good.

946
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 3>How many guys total?

947
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:57.360
<v Speaker 10>Do we don't have any? Chief, No, it's well over,

948
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 10>well over.

949
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, guys who died, they didn't even track it back then,

950
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 11>there was no right you know.

951
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 10>And Frank, you can probably do a plug for this.

952
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 11>But there's a National Firefighter Registry now that we encourage

953
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:20.760
<v Speaker 11>every firefighter career volunteering to register so we can start

954
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 11>getting the handle on what the reality is about this.

955
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 10>Frank, that's probably some of the most dramatic pictures of

956
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 10>any fire ever.

957
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's coming out of there, crazy God.

958
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I'm sorry.

959
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.039
<v Speaker 6>Now, black on the building. There's a plaque on the

960
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:43.320
<v Speaker 6>building and a plaquet to Fire Academy. Yeah, for the

961
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.360
<v Speaker 6>six ninety nine firefighters that responded there that day and

962
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 6>throughout the response over the next day, and we are

963
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 6>certain that more than one hundred firefighters lost their life

964
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 6>to occupational cancer due to their exposure at that fire.

965
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 6>And that was the framework for how we tracked our

966
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 6>firefighters on September eleventh. So when you think about the

967
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.519
<v Speaker 6>impact of that fire, there was and that is the

968
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 6>when you look back at the thirty fires, that that

969
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 6>is the furthest back we went for any of these fires,

970
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.960
<v Speaker 6>because it was it was too important to not include that,

971
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 6>because it was it was a precursor of what's what's

972
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 6>to come in the fire service. Because that building and

973
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 6>what that building had, every building today has what is burning,

974
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.360
<v Speaker 6>the plastics, PVCs, all of that is burning in every fire.

975
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 6>So we need to do as good a job as

976
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 6>we can wearing a mask and cleaning up afterwards.

977
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 11>Arguably that's the fire that really, years later got us

978
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:49.920
<v Speaker 11>start thinking more about cancer.

979
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 10>It really was.

980
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 11>And not an accepted part of the job, but an

981
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 11>exceptional part of the job that needed to be looked at.

982
00:55:58.039 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 10>Right.

983
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 3>One of the academy is especially important, and you can

984
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 3>put the one out of twenty third at the phone

985
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.760
<v Speaker 3>company building, But which Proby's a going to see that

986
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 3>but if they walk past it in the academy, they're

987
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 3>going to see it.

988
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe he was really looking. He was looking just

989
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 5>to have a plaque put on the building.

990
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.639
<v Speaker 3>For God's saying, one of the one of the academy

991
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 3>is even so much more nice. Proby's going to walk

992
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 3>by for the next fifty hundred years, you know, and

993
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.960
<v Speaker 3>they'll they'll ask questions about it, they'll read about it,

994
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:27.239
<v Speaker 3>you know.

995
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 6>Which was the conversation we had because to me, it

996
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 6>wasn't like it's nice to put it on the building,

997
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 6>but it was needed to put it at the Fire

998
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 6>Academy because we needed everybody that comes to you to

999
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 6>the Fire Academy to know that story. And now they will.

1000
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.400
<v Speaker 6>Generations of firefighters will be better because of because of

1001
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.960
<v Speaker 6>Danny Noonan and his tenacious advocacy for firefighter health and

1002
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 6>wellness to live a long, healthy retirement, because that's what

1003
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 6>that's what that ultimately is about.

1004
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 11>So people see now we're thinking, Okay, great, that's great rafting.

1005
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 11>Why ProBiS But about mine again?

1006
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 10>Bullshit?

1007
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.400
<v Speaker 11>You can do this. You can ship take buy a

1008
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 11>bunch of copies of thirty fives. There it is, give

1009
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 11>it to you. Give that as a gift to your

1010
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 11>graduating class. Whatever it takes. But the information is there.

1011
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Put one and you can't put one down the training center.

1012
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.079
<v Speaker 3>Make it mandatory reading. Whatever you gotta do with. Don't

1013
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 3>no bullshit excuses anymore.

1014
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 8>I just got to get the instructors to raise attention

1015
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 8>to these incidents anywhere.

1016
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.079
<v Speaker 4>In the country. You do, we got that's what I do.

1017
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.679
<v Speaker 3>You we got purchase for all your guys.

1018
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Yet no, no, that's on the order. Actually, just so

1019
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 4>you know.

1020
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.199
<v Speaker 8>The touch on that is, we actually make our proby's

1021
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 8>research a line of duty death or significant event and

1022
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 8>they have to do a presentation to their fellow classmates.

1023
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, guess what, here's the cliff notes for it right here.

1024
00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

1025
00:57:58.239 --> 00:57:59.599
<v Speaker 3>So get all.

1026
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.840
<v Speaker 8>Trying to do my part to uh spread the away.

1027
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 8>We shall, I say, not meet, but we.

1028
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:09.960
<v Speaker 10>Frank did organized the ceremony for the Telephone Company fire

1029
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 10>at the fire Academy and he had veterans come in

1030
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 10>who were at the fire and guys who were retired

1031
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 10>and everything, and they showed up. They got a they

1032
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:26.360
<v Speaker 10>got a pin for their uniforms and uh yeah, you

1033
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 10>can see them looking around at each other as we

1034
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.960
<v Speaker 10>finally got recognized. You know, we finally got our due.

1035
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 7>I think I remember that story that the guy's got

1036
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 7>the pins for their Uh.

1037
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that guy leave. But remind me to say thank you,

1038
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.000
<v Speaker 3>dam he's such a good guy man, that guy leave.

1039
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 4>I never heard.

1040
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:47.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's about it's as Danny Noonan would say, it's

1041
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 6>about the six nine firefighters that responded there. And he

1042
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 6>always started any conversation he had it was on behalf

1043
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 6>of the six hundred and ninety nine firefighters. And he

1044
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.039
<v Speaker 6>would also say the telephone workers and and everybody else.

1045
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 6>So I say the same thing, it's done on behalf

1046
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 6>of them. We've had several people reach out for their

1047
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 6>deceased loved one asking if they can get the telephone

1048
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 6>pin for them. Wow, and they have given them to

1049
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:17.000
<v Speaker 6>them members as well.

1050
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 5>So great.

1051
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 3>We did a show with Danny noon and so guys

1052
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 3>go back and research, look back the you know, search it.

1053
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 3>We did a great show with Danny noon and he

1054
00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 3>was great. He was great.

1055
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.119
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, he gave one of the best, the best

1056
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:32.480
<v Speaker 7>old school today.

1057
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:33.480
<v Speaker 5>You remember that.

1058
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had a hell of them.

1059
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 7>One kid there's another kid, Yeah, oh that's right, there's

1060
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 7>one kid.

1061
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<v Speaker 3>Search a little.

1062
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 7>Sucked the floorboards and get in the next room.

1063
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 5>He just said, keep going. If you find one, there's more,

1064
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 5>keep going.

1065
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 3>Gods, we get the next guest to come in, or

1066
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 3>what are we doing here?

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00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 8>No, he had now he had a duplicate audio problem.

1068
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.320
<v Speaker 8>Both the couldn't hear and he couldn't and I couldn't

1069
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 8>hear him but through the phone. So we told him

1070
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 8>we'd get back and we'll bring him on another day.

1071
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 5>We got a bunch lined up. We'll just keep going. One.

1072
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.800
<v Speaker 5>I think one is I think two might be too much.

1073
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 5>Maybe I don't know what. Three.

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01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we'll catch him and I'll tell you what. When

1075
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 6>you have when you have somebody as legendary as Chief Jonas, yeah,

1076
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.400
<v Speaker 6>it's and to have to have had Chief montagne On,

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01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 6>who was one of my first chief Montagona was one

1078
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:31.039
<v Speaker 6>of my first chiefs in the Five Day Battalion. Uh,

1079
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.599
<v Speaker 6>he's the chief. Montagonet is the first person that I

1080
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.920
<v Speaker 6>ever saw take photos of like every fire and he

1081
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.880
<v Speaker 6>was one of the guys. So my whole part of

1082
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 6>part of my learning teaching style is about when a

1083
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:48.679
<v Speaker 6>chief goes go visit your firehouses, visit them often that's

1084
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 6>the best information you're going to get but always lead

1085
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 6>with fire. Tell the brothers and sisters something that about

1086
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 6>a fire that you went to and experience that you had.

1087
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 6>And then if you have other stuff you got to

1088
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 6>you gotta up to me about wearing the right uniform

1089
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.159
<v Speaker 6>or overtime, do that, but first talk about fire. Lead

1090
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.360
<v Speaker 6>with fire, Lead with the things that are going to

1091
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 6>injure or kill the brothers and sisters. Well, ken in

1092
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 6>five in five seconds from now, you show them your

1093
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 6>care for them when you do that. And I know

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01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 6>that Chief Montagna always did that. I couldn't wait for

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01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.039
<v Speaker 6>him to come with a story about a fire like that.

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01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.840
<v Speaker 6>I know Chief Jonas always did that. And even with

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01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.760
<v Speaker 6>the newsletter, the newsletter never spoke about white socks. It

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01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:26.599
<v Speaker 6>spoke about fire.

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01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh you stole my fuck. Cobla led with white socks.

1100
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:32.800
<v Speaker 10>All the time. It spoke.

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01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 6>So Chief Coobler would talk about the white socks. But

1102
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 6>he need to know he's lead with that. He led

1103
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.039
<v Speaker 6>what he wanted you to be drilling. He wanted you

1104
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 6>to be taking care of the men and women that

1105
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 6>you're working with. So yeah, So that's and having Chief

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01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.360
<v Speaker 6>Jonas tonight on the show is fantastic. Chief Jonas, I

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01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.239
<v Speaker 6>have a question for you. You mentioned both those fires, right,

1108
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 6>so you mentioned the twenty third Street fire, You mentioned

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01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.880
<v Speaker 6>the ninety ninth Street the ninety nine cent stories. We're

1110
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.079
<v Speaker 6>talking about Walton Avenue, right. One of the both of them,

1111
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.440
<v Speaker 6>a floor collapses. What are the similarities with that. You

1112
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 6>spoke about it in the pre show a little bit.

1113
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:10.880
<v Speaker 6>You expand on that a little bit.

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01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 10>Well, the the similarities is it was a floor overload,

1115
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:23.719
<v Speaker 10>you know, the the U twenty third Street collapse. The

1116
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 10>fire was in the cellar and initiated in the cellar.

1117
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:31.119
<v Speaker 10>So you know those floor beams that were that were

1118
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 10>already stressed due to the toazo floor, they were weakening

1119
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.360
<v Speaker 10>with this extra weight and eventually they will give way.

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01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 10>The ninety nine cents or the fire was in the occupacy,

1121
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 10>wasn't in the cellar, and uh, the it was inferior construction,

1122
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.960
<v Speaker 10>you know from the fire that happened there six years earlier,

1123
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:59.239
<v Speaker 10>and it got overloaded with water and firemen and boom

1124
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 10>just couldn't hand all the way and down they went.

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01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 10>And uh it wasn't like you see this large catastrophic

1126
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:09.039
<v Speaker 10>you know, collops your your rumble for for thirty seconds

1127
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.800
<v Speaker 10>and there there it goes it's coming down. It was

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01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:17.760
<v Speaker 10>pretty silent. It was like boom it down their coats,

1129
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:21.360
<v Speaker 10>you know, and uh, you know it wasn't like the

1130
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 10>you know, the fire showed any difference. It was it

1131
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 10>was already taking off. It was already heavy smoking fire.

1132
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.400
<v Speaker 10>And then but now you have a different fuel component.

1133
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 10>You know that the uh, the commodities that were in

1134
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:39.800
<v Speaker 10>the store, and so you know, floor collapse. How do

1135
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:42.079
<v Speaker 10>you how are you gonna how you going to attack it?

1136
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:44.159
<v Speaker 10>How are you going to get to these guys? And

1137
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 10>you're looking for voids. You're looking for a ways to

1138
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 10>uh uh to find these guys. You're looking for ways

1139
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:54.559
<v Speaker 10>to uh see where they're see where they're trapped. You're

1140
01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 10>looking for pass alarms, you're look looking for ready your feedback.

1141
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:04.519
<v Speaker 10>You know, you're looking for anything thermal imaging cameras, stuff

1142
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:07.280
<v Speaker 10>that they didn't have in nineteen sixty six, and I

1143
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.280
<v Speaker 10>you know, those are things that you could use to

1144
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 10>try to find find your way away.

1145
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 7>If I remember when we had Chief done on I

1146
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.840
<v Speaker 7>remember him saying like there wasn't even nothing showing on

1147
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.360
<v Speaker 7>the twenty third street, Like when those guys you wouldn't

1148
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.280
<v Speaker 7>even have known that there was even a fire underneath

1149
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:23.400
<v Speaker 7>you if I remember right.

1150
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 10>It's just it's absolutely right.

1151
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:27.880
<v Speaker 5>All of those things are just like what I was

1152
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 5>saying earlier.

1153
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.800
<v Speaker 7>I think, you know, some of those things you could definitely,

1154
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you could learn from every one of them.

1155
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 7>But some mistakes could make, you know, be made, and

1156
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.119
<v Speaker 7>it just starts the ball rolling right, and then one

1157
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.719
<v Speaker 7>mistake leads to another and another, and then you can't

1158
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 7>almost not get out of it. But then there's fires.

1159
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.559
<v Speaker 7>There's nothing that there's nothing you could even have done there,

1160
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:48.400
<v Speaker 7>you know what I mean, It's.

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01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 10>Just a big thing you got to remember too, is

1162
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 10>the longer buildings on fire. The building on fire is

1163
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:00.280
<v Speaker 10>the building that's under demolition, whatever is resistant, what.

1164
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Ever is we just gravity, it's being attacked.

1165
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:04.440
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:10.920
<v Speaker 10>Uh, it's being attacked. And so you could have volume

1167
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.960
<v Speaker 10>of fire or intensity of fire which would increase that.

1168
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:18.320
<v Speaker 10>And Walden Avenue had had both had volume and intensity,

1169
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 10>you know, and uh, twenty third Street had tremendous fire

1170
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.119
<v Speaker 10>and a heavy load. But you know the failure of

1171
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.239
<v Speaker 10>the floor, you know, like you said, you know, twenty

1172
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:33.679
<v Speaker 10>third Street lost twelve guys and unfortunately waldenaven we lost two.

1173
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:37.239
<v Speaker 7>You know, and uh avenue to it was the same thing, right,

1174
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:38.840
<v Speaker 7>the guys were up there, they weren't even you know,

1175
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:40.599
<v Speaker 7>they had a lot of fire, but they didn't even know.

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01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 5>Next thing, everybody, you know, you got to re construction.

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01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:49.400
<v Speaker 10>The ten guys went into the hall, you know, so wow,

1178
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Speaker 10>a lot of the a lot of guys were removed

1179
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.840
<v Speaker 10>heroically by these guys. You know, they were taking the

1180
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.360
<v Speaker 10>shellac and uh trying to get these guys out and

1181
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 10>uh uh yeah, I'm sure you know they feel defeated

1182
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.639
<v Speaker 10>that even though they got to these guys, that two

1183
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:07.559
<v Speaker 10>of them didn't make it.

1184
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, what was the time frame chief both fire?

1185
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It was like forty minutes forty minutes in yeah, what

1186
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 3>about forty minutes until they got them out.

1187
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 10>I think it was like twenty three minutes before the

1188
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.079
<v Speaker 10>fire at the floor collapsed.

1189
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:27.559
<v Speaker 3>So about twenty third Street. You doing how long that was?

1190
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 10>Be Off the top of my head, I think that

1191
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.920
<v Speaker 10>was a lot longer.

1192
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:34.599
<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say a little bit longer.

1193
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:36.679
<v Speaker 3>After they couldn't find the fire at first, I think

1194
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:37.199
<v Speaker 3>they couldn't.

1195
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:40.760
<v Speaker 10>They couldn't find it, and the building went from twenty

1196
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:43.639
<v Speaker 10>second Street to twenty third Street. It was round the

1197
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.360
<v Speaker 10>start of the box the street. Yeah. Yeah, so you

1198
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 10>know they were, you know, working their way in and

1199
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:57.199
<v Speaker 10>you know, self contained breathing apparatus was not readily available.

1200
01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 6>You know.

1201
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 7>Wow, it's a lot of years ago. Is that sick?

1202
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 7>Is that going to be a couple of years? Almost

1203
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:05.760
<v Speaker 7>seventy years?

1204
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 5>Is holy?

1205
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:10.320
<v Speaker 6>Somebody in the chat said earlier about Chief Done being

1206
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 6>there at the job. Yeah, so I also believe that

1207
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.480
<v Speaker 6>that was the motivation for him to start writing about

1208
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:18.360
<v Speaker 6>building construction.

1209
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.519
<v Speaker 10>Yeah. Well, yeah, he's.

1210
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:26.159
<v Speaker 6>Speaking to him over the.

1211
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 10>Years about some of the fires he was. He's like, to,

1212
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:37.400
<v Speaker 10>where's Waldorf in New York City Fire Department historical fires

1213
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:40.199
<v Speaker 10>and he pictures of it. Look closely, but he dones it.

1214
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 5>He lives right around the corner from my nephew. My

1215
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.880
<v Speaker 5>nephew just met him. He's like ecstatic. He sees him

1216
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:47.480
<v Speaker 5>all the time.

1217
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:53.480
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, he you know, he was he was at oh,

1218
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 10>what's the name of the fire?

1219
01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's been to so many of them.

1220
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Which one do you talk about, Chief, Off the top

1221
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:06.960
<v Speaker 4>of my.

1222
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:13.119
<v Speaker 10>Head, I can't think about it. Uh, Worcester Street collapse.

1223
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 10>He was at the Worcester Street collapse. He was a

1224
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 10>probe and Nage fifty nine.

1225
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 5>And uh I remember that story too.

1226
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 10>Since they went there the next day to relieve them,

1227
01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.079
<v Speaker 10>and it's just there you go. He was at Worcester

1228
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 10>Street collapse, you know he was. He was at twenty

1229
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:32.159
<v Speaker 10>third Street, he was at you know. He he did

1230
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 10>thorough investigations on wall boumbs. You know, he did a

1231
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:41.159
<v Speaker 10>lot of stuff on war b They thing on row

1232
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.960
<v Speaker 10>frame fires. He did incredible. He was in charge of

1233
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:46.000
<v Speaker 10>running that, you know.

1234
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.239
<v Speaker 7>So I'm not sure who's been on more Chief, You

1235
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 7>or him or you leave. I don't know the three.

1236
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Leaves got I think hands down, hands.

1237
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Chief, I don't know.

1238
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.760
<v Speaker 7>I know we've had probably like four or five times.

1239
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:07.960
<v Speaker 6>And it all depends if you count to Welcome to

1240
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:08.760
<v Speaker 6>the Rock Series.

1241
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 3>If you count, you got it. Hands down.

1242
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:13.960
<v Speaker 4>Man's got that stuff counting.

1243
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Chief is up there. We've had him on a few shows.

1244
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, Man, he's like a lamp in the office.

1245
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.560
<v Speaker 3>He's not doing another Salties award, bro, we got to

1246
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:24.760
<v Speaker 3>do another Salties Awards.

1247
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:26.560
<v Speaker 10>Get the salty.

1248
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:29.960
<v Speaker 3>See the show we had the Salty Award?

1249
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:31.279
<v Speaker 5>Oh I got so funny.

1250
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:33.039
<v Speaker 3>My brother got one, he says.

1251
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:34.880
<v Speaker 5>He didn't know what to put it on his mantle

1252
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:35.560
<v Speaker 5>on the toilet.

1253
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he put on the toilet. I had to. I

1254
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 3>had them film themselves, excepting the salty award. And he says,

1255
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I found a perfect spot for it. And he said,

1256
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.399
<v Speaker 3>puts it by his uh like trying to closet or whatever.

1257
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.119
<v Speaker 3>And he goes, no, this is a better spot, and

1258
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:51.760
<v Speaker 3>he puts it on the toiletright toilet.

1259
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:53.520
<v Speaker 6>See.

1260
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.920
<v Speaker 3>So even though Frank Lee says that that Chief Steve

1261
01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have a sense of human, he does.

1262
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:00.800
<v Speaker 7>He does have a sense to him. You just don't

1263
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:09.600
<v Speaker 7>see it.

1264
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Goodness is he's gonna have a sense of human We

1265
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.399
<v Speaker 3>go out the Chief lead retirement party. Bro Joe Wizz

1266
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Joe wis we got to bring presents? Is that presence?

1267
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:26.159
<v Speaker 6>No, just show up your.

1268
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, how about an envelope. I'm going to bring

1269
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:30.119
<v Speaker 3>an envelope.

1270
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.800
<v Speaker 5>All that money fat envelope.

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01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean you might need it. You're not You're not

1272
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.000
<v Speaker 3>taking any money off this book, So maybe you need

1273
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:39.279
<v Speaker 3>a little levelope. You know what I mean?

1274
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 5>A fixed income now, you know is is.

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01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Not a face income? Right now, Bro, anybody else want

1276
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 3>to do anything? We want to wrap up here. What

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01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 3>do we got, Chief Lee?

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01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 6>No, just thinking about the Atlantic game and you fire

1279
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.079
<v Speaker 6>and uh, just the similarities, right with a floor collapse

1280
01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:04.800
<v Speaker 6>and you know, sending five of our brothers. Ah, you

1281
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:08.119
<v Speaker 6>think about that about that, right? So just because it

1282
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:10.359
<v Speaker 6>was mentioned earlier about the Atlantic Avenue fire, and I'm

1283
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.760
<v Speaker 6>just thinking some of the some of the people listening

1284
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:17.159
<v Speaker 6>may not be may not be familiar with that. With

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01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:19.079
<v Speaker 6>that fire and there was some beams that were taken

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01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.000
<v Speaker 6>out underneath that, uh, and the and the brothers were

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01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.840
<v Speaker 6>above that when it collapsed and and they went into

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01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:25.159
<v Speaker 6>the hole.

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01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:28.119
<v Speaker 7>When you start thinking about all of those jobs, a

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01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 7>lot of it is construction, like Black Sunday, you know construction, right,

1291
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:38.199
<v Speaker 7>It's all of these you know named fires that we have.

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01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.680
<v Speaker 5>It's this constant theme.

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01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Gonzo I sent the pictures of the Atlantic Atlantic.

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01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.399
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was the other one you talk about, Vidalia.

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01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:51.439
<v Speaker 3>No, I sent those at Atlantic.

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01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:56.479
<v Speaker 4>You did give me a second? We pull them up? Okay,

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01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:59.119
<v Speaker 4>yes you do. Let's see.

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01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:01.319
<v Speaker 6>Jimmy Blackmore.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you got the two gentlemen.

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01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.439
<v Speaker 3>Called made it out right? He survived that, only get

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01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:08.520
<v Speaker 3>killed on nine to eleven.

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01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 7>Danny Witzel was working that day too, he's a lieutenant eight.

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01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.479
<v Speaker 5>Now, yeah, what do you got guns?

1304
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:15.479
<v Speaker 3>You got pictures of that one?

1305
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:17.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you have a couple here.

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01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.760
<v Speaker 3>What do we have on rophy that was at that job?

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01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:24.039
<v Speaker 5>Uh, we had Warren Fukes talked about that job.

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01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:26.439
<v Speaker 3>Somebody else was on the A chief I think was

1309
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:26.680
<v Speaker 3>on that.

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01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:31.119
<v Speaker 5>Oh that was Uh, yes, he had he had the job,

1311
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:32.840
<v Speaker 5>was it killed, had the jobs.

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01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:35.439
<v Speaker 3>And I don't call him man, that's you.

1313
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:41.479
<v Speaker 4>You tight with him, Louis on the top, Louis on

1314
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Speaker 4>the top.

1315
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I called him duff. I don't call him ed. You

1316
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 3>call him one of the chiefs.

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01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 6>And it may have been him who had his gear on,

1318
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.439
<v Speaker 6>went in and wound up on the I believe wound

1319
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 6>up on the hose line or followed the hose lineing

1320
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:56.359
<v Speaker 6>and so it went down.

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01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.319
<v Speaker 7>Oh we had another Yes, we had a few guys.

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01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.960
<v Speaker 7>We had a few guys about that, talk about that job.

1323
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:03.239
<v Speaker 4>So this is that's again.

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01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:07.119
<v Speaker 7>That's what I like about that firsthand experience is you

1325
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.399
<v Speaker 7>kind of get a little bit more insight. You can

1326
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:11.439
<v Speaker 7>never get enough information on these things. And you know,

1327
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 7>if you get a little bit more information from something

1328
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 7>that's not in a report from the job or something,

1329
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 7>it just makes it better.

1330
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:19.880
<v Speaker 3>You know what, why don't we write a book about

1331
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.800
<v Speaker 3>fires from guys from the first hand experience.

1332
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:30.000
<v Speaker 5>Already swinging it miss he struck them.

1333
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.079
<v Speaker 8>And it prevents a lot of that Monday night quarterback

1334
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 8>and you can actually learn some stuff.

1335
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.039
<v Speaker 3>So these pics from the Atlantic Cabinet.

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01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.159
<v Speaker 4>Yes, and then this is the other what you have

1337
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:41.920
<v Speaker 4>there as well.

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01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.359
<v Speaker 7>So you guys, you guys know that we squat two

1339
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:50.399
<v Speaker 7>eighty eight actually relocated that night to three point thirty

1340
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.960
<v Speaker 7>two and we went into fire house when uh, when

1341
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:55.439
<v Speaker 7>that happened.

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01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.239
<v Speaker 5>We could hear it on the handy talking right down

1343
01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:57.640
<v Speaker 5>the block.

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01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:03.159
<v Speaker 7>And I remember looking at his shoes.

1345
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.520
<v Speaker 5>Like where he got into his bunker gear, you know

1346
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:06.960
<v Speaker 5>what I mean.

1347
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.359
<v Speaker 7>And they when they came back, and it was, you know,

1348
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 7>the chief you know, all the chiefs started coming from all,

1349
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 7>you know, from everywhere, and then we ended up leaving,

1350
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:21.399
<v Speaker 7>but guys came back started talking about the job. And yeah,

1351
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:23.600
<v Speaker 7>that's one thing I remember, because we weren't we were

1352
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 7>a squad, but we weren't online yet. We were still

1353
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:29.239
<v Speaker 7>an engine and we still could get relocated. And we

1354
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 7>got relocated at three thirty two, and I remember looking

1355
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 7>at his shoes, thinking about how many times we get

1356
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 7>in and out of our shoes, right, and uh, you know, come.

1357
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Back time he went in and out of his shoes.

1358
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly.

1359
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Somebody's saying, QC beast, my boy, he's saying Chief Galvin

1360
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:44.680
<v Speaker 3>was the other guy who was there?

1361
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.640
<v Speaker 7>Oh Galvin? Yep, it's old mishmash. Now we're up there,

1362
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.239
<v Speaker 7>like twenty six. I can't remember who was where and

1363
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 7>what and how.

1364
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:55.239
<v Speaker 3>How many shows?

1365
01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:57.000
<v Speaker 5>Six?

1366
01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Holy Machael, So you take about twenty from leave with

1367
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 3>down to two hundred.

1368
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 5>What do you mean twenty seven?

1369
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.199
<v Speaker 4>Come on, man, come on, man.

1370
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.159
<v Speaker 3>Well what other shows we have you booked for the

1371
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.680
<v Speaker 3>next two months? Correct at least?

1372
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I know you haven't at least the next.

1373
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Two months, maybe three months. So what fires are we

1374
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 3>gonna do next? Talk to us, give us a little taste,

1375
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:27.680
<v Speaker 3>a little teaser.

1376
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.199
<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure. So we were covering.

1377
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 6>So the idea was the first with you guys, to

1378
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.640
<v Speaker 6>make sure we covered the fires that were New York

1379
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.039
<v Speaker 6>City fires. And in the book there's five of them. Uh,

1380
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:40.520
<v Speaker 6>so we covered one of them tonight.

1381
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:41.279
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

1382
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 6>And then, as I mentioned earlier, Danny Moonan was covered already,

1383
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.000
<v Speaker 6>so we still have to do Vandalia Avenue. We still

1384
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:50.079
<v Speaker 6>to do Black Sunday.

1385
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:52.680
<v Speaker 5>So let's work on the Vandali one. Let work on

1386
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:53.359
<v Speaker 5>the Chiefs.

1387
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.359
<v Speaker 7>We got to do that prior to coming on, like

1388
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:58.359
<v Speaker 7>an hour before the show obviously.

1389
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, tag, especially for the the listeners who may be.

1390
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:06.600
<v Speaker 4>A bit younger, You're not gonna want.

1391
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:07.920
<v Speaker 6>To miss that show. You're not gonna want to miss

1392
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:08.399
<v Speaker 6>any of these.

1393
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:13.439
<v Speaker 11>But Chief Montagna, his reputation is as well known as

1394
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.199
<v Speaker 11>you'll hear from these guys. But he'll tell you the

1395
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 11>story of that fire like like you've never heard.

1396
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Really. I was looking forward to hearing him too, because

1397
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know too much about that.

1398
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.399
<v Speaker 5>I know a little bit Pollie uh.

1399
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:27.680
<v Speaker 7>In the chat he said Clancy was the same thing

1400
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.279
<v Speaker 7>he went through the floor to correct.

1401
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:34.439
<v Speaker 11>When when Frank retired, If I'm not mistaken, he he

1402
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:36.800
<v Speaker 11>was the most senior chief in the job at the

1403
01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:41.920
<v Speaker 11>time and cool, calm, collected, just just a gentleman that

1404
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:42.279
<v Speaker 11>I had.

1405
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.479
<v Speaker 6>So I look forward to having him back on this. Yeah.

1406
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.960
<v Speaker 6>And when when he right before he retired, he was

1407
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 6>at the Fire Academy and they sat him down and

1408
01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:53.239
<v Speaker 6>just interviewed him for like I want to say, they

1409
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 6>did it a couple of days in a row to

1410
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 6>just try and get some of the nuggets that that

1411
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 6>he had, and yeah, he's that's gonna that's gonna be

1412
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.159
<v Speaker 6>a really good show that that fire. I had worked

1413
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.399
<v Speaker 6>in that area of Brooklyn and we went to the

1414
01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:12.560
<v Speaker 6>Squads right before right before that, right before that fire.

1415
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.319
<v Speaker 6>That same year they formed the Squad the new Squad Companies,

1416
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.479
<v Speaker 6>and I left that area because I went to work

1417
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:20.439
<v Speaker 6>in Squad two seven.

1418
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I had to go on the calendar for November seventh, Buddy, Thursday,

1419
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:28.560
<v Speaker 3>November seventh, we're gonna do more of thirty fires.

1420
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:30.640
<v Speaker 5>That one, let's the chief to do.

1421
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like to cover the New York

1422
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:38.600
<v Speaker 6>City ones with you guys first, if we could get

1423
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:42.239
<v Speaker 6>those done, and then uh, coops, obviously you're gonna be

1424
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 6>the Father's Day one, and then the Black Sunday we

1425
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:50.520
<v Speaker 6>just got we had a couple of authors for that one,

1426
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:53.680
<v Speaker 6>and uh well, if you're aware, we just yeah, so

1427
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:55.199
<v Speaker 6>we'll get those as well.

1428
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then we'll go we gotta go to the

1429
01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 3>rest of the country, guys want to I want to

1430
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:00.479
<v Speaker 3>hear stories from the rest of the country. I know,

1431
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:02.840
<v Speaker 3>I want to hear other ones. So yeah, so I

1432
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.880
<v Speaker 3>think might be the one. You might be capturing the

1433
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.640
<v Speaker 3>salty for the most guy. I mean, we got you

1434
01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:10.359
<v Speaker 3>booked probably now until May with all these stories, bro,

1435
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:11.640
<v Speaker 3>so you might take the.

1436
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.199
<v Speaker 6>So your to your credit, when I told you that

1437
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 6>I was that we were going to do these fires

1438
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.600
<v Speaker 6>on a couple of different podcasts, you said that that

1439
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.640
<v Speaker 6>you'll do as many as uh as we need to

1440
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 6>to get all of them done. So I super appreciate that,

1441
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:28.760
<v Speaker 6>and that's why we I think we booked three of

1442
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.439
<v Speaker 6>them already right away to I.

1443
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Don't want you Yeah, no, no, I don't want you cheating

1444
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:35.359
<v Speaker 3>on me. You do them all on this show, bro,

1445
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:35.960
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

1446
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.000
<v Speaker 4>There's no other no other podcast.

1447
01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what are you gonna get? Throw another podcast?

1448
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 3>You'll get like six listeners. Come on, bro, all right,

1449
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:48.479
<v Speaker 3>listen before we get we have to do. I know

1450
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.199
<v Speaker 3>a guy who works at this place fr Ce. Yeah,

1451
01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:53.279
<v Speaker 3>he's a really smart guy. Bro's do we.

1452
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:55.479
<v Speaker 4>Want to have him give us a health safety tip tonight?

1453
01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:57.359
<v Speaker 3>He can give a second one, but I have one.

1454
01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:58.000
<v Speaker 3>I want to give him.

1455
01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:01.079
<v Speaker 6>The first responder senter for are excellent. I love it.

1456
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know what, I would love if you set

1457
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:06.760
<v Speaker 3>me the new q A code. That would be even better, Bro.

1458
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.359
<v Speaker 3>But I know you know busy guys, busy is it often?

1459
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:15.119
<v Speaker 5>Now you got to tighten the bolts. Cool, you got

1460
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:15.479
<v Speaker 5>to tighten the.

1461
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Ball the bolts on yesterday?

1462
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:18.640
<v Speaker 6>Call it?

1463
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 3>What do we got you ready for the show tomorrow?

1464
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:22.560
<v Speaker 5>I saw, I saw that whole.

1465
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:23.039
<v Speaker 10>All the guys.

1466
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:27.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm like the text change, texting was classic. I'm like,

1467
01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:29.680
<v Speaker 5>the only was right on it.

1468
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:34.039
<v Speaker 6>The only reason why this podcast is even on tonight

1469
01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:36.640
<v Speaker 6>is because Lou stepped in today to make sure that

1470
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:37.720
<v Speaker 6>everything was squared away.

1471
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Really, that's what you're gonna go with.

1472
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm not saying that I'm not chump.

1473
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.640
<v Speaker 3>You had to today. Oh we got seven guys coming

1474
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:48.840
<v Speaker 3>on the seven.

1475
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:52.119
<v Speaker 7>Guys guys, that's not even, that's not even how. I

1476
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:53.920
<v Speaker 7>love how he makes this whole thing up as soon

1477
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.079
<v Speaker 7>as it goes back on him right on. See how

1478
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 7>fast he was.

1479
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:01.520
<v Speaker 3>On me, Bro, I threw you right it basically fast you.

1480
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:03.520
<v Speaker 7>Were you were just talking about him, And now he's

1481
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.560
<v Speaker 7>an that's talking to my guy all wrong.

1482
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:07.079
<v Speaker 6>That's wrong.

1483
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:11.119
<v Speaker 5>That's all he's got. He's got, that's all screaming and

1484
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<v Speaker 5>yelling that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Only about how it goes.

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<v Speaker 6>And you just played.

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01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:17.840
<v Speaker 10>You just laid back and let you.

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01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:20.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't even pay to I don't even care. I

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01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:21.399
<v Speaker 7>don't even know what he's doing anymore.

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01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what he's doing.

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01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I missed that pretty good. Oh my god, God, play

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01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:39.279
<v Speaker 3>the commercial.

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01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.079
<v Speaker 4>So here we go. He's yelling, amoids, Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>The First Responder Center for Excellence is not for profit

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01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 1>organization dedicated to protecting the lives and livelihoods of first responders.

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01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Their education and research initiatives aim to bring greater awareness

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01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and understanding the challenges to the health, safety, and well

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01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.279
<v Speaker 1>being of firefighters, EMS, personnel, and other first responders too.

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<v Speaker 1>They are an affiliate of the National Falling Firefighter Foundation.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so my health and safety tip for tonight

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01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:13.239
<v Speaker 3>is this, bro. We always talk about getting to the doctor.

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01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, early detection important, no doubt, But there are

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01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.479
<v Speaker 3>things you can do before you get into that situation,

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01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:20.399
<v Speaker 3>and this is one of them.

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01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:20.600
<v Speaker 6>Here.

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01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:25.319
<v Speaker 3>But you got a book, right, great book. How about

1507
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:27.199
<v Speaker 3>we put down the phones a little bit and we

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01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.800
<v Speaker 3>engage our brains to keep a shop as we get older,

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01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:31.119
<v Speaker 3>and we do this thing that they used to do

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01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 3>back in the old days, roofy, It's called reading.

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01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:35.039
<v Speaker 8>Is it reading?

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01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:38.159
<v Speaker 3>A great thing? Bro? Guys are read, They're on here,

1513
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:42.000
<v Speaker 3>they're doing this, doing this all the time. So let's

1514
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:44.760
<v Speaker 3>do me favorite. Let's stimulate the brain. Let's get back

1515
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:48.359
<v Speaker 3>to reading for our minds. Let's get back to working

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01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:52.039
<v Speaker 3>out and eating healthy. Also get to the doctor. But

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01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:54.760
<v Speaker 3>let's take these steps before we have something to go wrong,

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01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:56.520
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, before we lose our marbles.

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01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.560
<v Speaker 3>And I don't remember who Louis is or Donzo, you.

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01:21:59.560 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Speaker 10>Know what I mean.

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01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 3>So there are things that you can do before shit happens.

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01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:06.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what I got to say. That's my health and

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01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.079
<v Speaker 3>safety tip. I'm sure Chief Leaves got one from go ahead,

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01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:09.720
<v Speaker 3>how long?

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<v Speaker 6>Chief, Well, I'm going to just expand on something in

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01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 6>the commons. Somebody said that Frank Mindtagne. Chief Montagona wrote

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01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.439
<v Speaker 6>a lot of articles for w n y F. One

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01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:23.920
<v Speaker 6>of them, so if you know what the white ghost is.

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01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:27.560
<v Speaker 6>That was from an article about oil burner fires that

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01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:30.960
<v Speaker 6>he wrote many many years ago. When the oil burner

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01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:35.239
<v Speaker 6>doesn't ignite, but it keeps, it keeps injecting the fuel

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01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:40.920
<v Speaker 6>and that can ignite. And that was for years when

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01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:44.199
<v Speaker 6>w nafs were testable in the FD and Y, everybody

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01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.600
<v Speaker 6>would talk about the white ghost, and that came from

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01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:51.399
<v Speaker 6>Chief Frank Montagna. But I think your your health and

1536
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.039
<v Speaker 6>wellness tip of the day is spot on. It's all

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01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:57.760
<v Speaker 6>about making sure we take care of ourselves. Do it

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01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 6>for do it for you, do it for your family.

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01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:03.439
<v Speaker 6>Think about Danny Noonan and his advocacy. Where your seba.

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01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.840
<v Speaker 6>It's about making sure that we don't take years off

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01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:09.880
<v Speaker 6>of our lives that are retirement years.

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01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:12.319
<v Speaker 3>So again, you don't want to be like my old

1543
01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:14.880
<v Speaker 3>man bro he retired in eighty nine, dead in ninety three.

1544
01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Didn't collect. My brother retired in two thousand and one,

1545
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:20.520
<v Speaker 3>dead in I don't know how many years, five, six,

1546
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:22.840
<v Speaker 3>ten years, whatever it is. You want to collect for

1547
01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:24.600
<v Speaker 3>a long time, right ro If you want to play golf,

1548
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:26.840
<v Speaker 3>you want to shoot innocent animals, You want to get

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01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:28.199
<v Speaker 3>out there and do shit yourself.

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01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:33.199
<v Speaker 5>So you want to do I keep saying I got

1551
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:34.880
<v Speaker 5>ship to do, man, I gotta keep thinking.

1552
01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:38.520
<v Speaker 3>That you want to eat giant trays of lasagna, right Chief,

1553
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.359
<v Speaker 3>want to enjoy life, So get out there and keep

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01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.119
<v Speaker 3>yourself healthy. Thanks Billy with that mustache. I love it.

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01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Thanks coming on. I'm sure I'm going to see you

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01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:59.800
<v Speaker 3>on November seventh. If you any final words, Billy.

1557
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:01.279
<v Speaker 4>Bone, gotta get past your stage.

1558
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:08.319
<v Speaker 10>You know he's talking.

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01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:13.680
<v Speaker 4>That's a tough one right there.

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01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.479
<v Speaker 11>I think if there's one comment, it's about the role

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01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:20.159
<v Speaker 11>of the company officer, especially to other departments. New York

1562
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:22.880
<v Speaker 11>City has known forever the important of investing in your

1563
01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 11>company officers. So many departments don't uh the success. What

1564
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:30.359
<v Speaker 11>keeps the fire chief of at night is poor company officers.

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01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:34.359
<v Speaker 11>So focus on your company officers, company offices. Here's a

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01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:35.079
<v Speaker 11>book for you to read.

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01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:35.800
<v Speaker 10>Start with that.

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01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:39.680
<v Speaker 6>But firefighters, your.

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01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:41.880
<v Speaker 11>Success is going to be based upon, obviously what you

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01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:43.920
<v Speaker 11>do yourself, but your boss.

1571
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:45.000
<v Speaker 10>Support your boss.

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01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.880
<v Speaker 11>If they say it's drill time, get up off the

1573
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:50.600
<v Speaker 11>bunk bed, put the phones down, like you said, get

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01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.560
<v Speaker 11>out there and do some training. The best the best

1575
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:55.600
<v Speaker 11>companies are run by the best company officers.

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<v Speaker 6>Just my thoughts.

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01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:58.119
<v Speaker 10>Thanks, thanks for having us, guys.

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01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:01.720
<v Speaker 3>We're going to see you five more times. Who knows

1579
01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:05.199
<v Speaker 3>we get all thirty of them crying out loud.

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01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 10>Chief J.

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01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:08.279
<v Speaker 3>Jones any final comments from you, my friend?

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01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:12.720
<v Speaker 10>I was thinking the uh one of the things that

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01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:17.039
<v Speaker 10>I discovered when I was writing one of my newsletters

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01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:21.239
<v Speaker 10>on solo fires. Our track record with seller fires is abysmal.

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01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.439
<v Speaker 10>We lose a lot of guys and seller fires over

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01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:28.159
<v Speaker 10>the years. And Uh, there's four ways to fight a

1587
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.920
<v Speaker 10>cellar fire. Conventional way by going down the cellar stairs

1588
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:33.960
<v Speaker 10>and trying to put the fire out.

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01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:35.199
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:40.159
<v Speaker 10>Second way is an indirect way by putting a cellar

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01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:45.079
<v Speaker 10>pipe in. Third way is to get high X phone

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01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:48.000
<v Speaker 10>and foam it out. And then the last way it

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01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:55.680
<v Speaker 10>would be the flood. Yeah. But the uh, one thing

1594
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:59.039
<v Speaker 10>I picked up on this, like I said, I put

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01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:03.119
<v Speaker 10>it in one of my newsletter was you gotta be proactive.

1596
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:08.119
<v Speaker 10>You know thinks it takes time to put some of

1597
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:15.279
<v Speaker 10>this stuff into operations. The if you're starting your attack

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01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:18.720
<v Speaker 10>with the conventional hos like going down the cellar stairs,

1599
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.680
<v Speaker 10>started signing a company to get ready to put the

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01:26:22.680 --> 01:26:25.840
<v Speaker 10>the cellar pipe in, start cutting the floor, get getting ready.

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01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:28.159
<v Speaker 10>That doesn't happen overnight. You know, you got to get

1602
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:31.520
<v Speaker 10>the gate, you gotta you gotta get the distributor and

1603
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.760
<v Speaker 10>the two inf inch hole. So if the first way fails,

1604
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.359
<v Speaker 10>the second way is ready to go. You can't be reactive.

1605
01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:43.640
<v Speaker 10>You've got to be proactive. And if you you're deploying

1606
01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:47.600
<v Speaker 10>the cellar pipe, you know, start getting special the high

1607
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:48.199
<v Speaker 10>X phone.

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01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:51.039
<v Speaker 5>You ever see the high X phone mark?

1609
01:26:51.840 --> 01:27:00.159
<v Speaker 6>Oh, it's time for the high.

1610
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:03.239
<v Speaker 10>Have seen the celi.

1611
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:07.239
<v Speaker 5>Telepipe. I've seen that. I really know.

1612
01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:10.560
<v Speaker 10>I had a fire white planes road once and I

1613
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:13.199
<v Speaker 10>got on the radio says, all right, who's gotta cellfie?

1614
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:17.359
<v Speaker 10>And I questionate it. Somebody better produce the cellar.

1615
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:20.199
<v Speaker 5>It's holding the it's holding the office door open. Cheap.

1616
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:24.439
<v Speaker 5>What's that?

1617
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:30.039
<v Speaker 10>But like I said, our track record was selfies is

1618
01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.079
<v Speaker 10>not good, you know. So if you could find ways

1619
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:37.680
<v Speaker 10>to uh be more efficient and put this fire out,

1620
01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:41.720
<v Speaker 10>at least with the cell pipe, you're gonna buy time.

1621
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:43.800
<v Speaker 10>You're not gonna put the fire out, but you're gonna

1622
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:50.039
<v Speaker 10>buy some time. You might be able to get that

1623
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:52.439
<v Speaker 10>that horse lie down the stairway after you operate for

1624
01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:52.880
<v Speaker 10>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>So I appreciate you coming on a wonderful book. We're

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01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:03.560
<v Speaker 3>gonna dive into all these stories. We're gonna get through

1627
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.279
<v Speaker 3>all thirty of them.

1628
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:05.760
<v Speaker 6>All.

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01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.159
<v Speaker 3>That's a promise for me, Chief Leave and mister Gold.

1630
01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.359
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna get through all thirty of them. Love them

1631
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:13.439
<v Speaker 3>by the book. Get out there. Let a couple of

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01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:14.800
<v Speaker 3>dollars out of your fire.

1633
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:18.039
<v Speaker 7>Engineering Books dot com or you get go on Amazon too, Right,

1634
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:18.800
<v Speaker 7>it's on Amazon.

1635
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:20.039
<v Speaker 4>Is it on Amazons?

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01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, easy peasy, get out there and buy it. It's

1637
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 3>worth every single cent that you pay per letter here

1638
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:30.039
<v Speaker 3>bro get it any shout out trophy.

1639
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:34.399
<v Speaker 5>No, we just got We're not sure for next week Thursday.

1640
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.920
<v Speaker 7>I got a couple of guys in the works, but uh,

1641
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:40.119
<v Speaker 7>we might have boy on Frankie Demato.

1642
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Ah, let's get Frankie for Thursday. That'll be a fun show.

1643
01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:46.520
<v Speaker 5>Frankie fd N y fish dot com. Check it out.

1644
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:47.399
<v Speaker 5>He makes these things.

1645
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:49.279
<v Speaker 3>What am I gonna get that? Gonna mail it to me?

1646
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:50.239
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna mail it.

1647
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:53.760
<v Speaker 7>I got didn't get a turnout cope, but he got

1648
01:28:53.800 --> 01:29:01.600
<v Speaker 7>a couple other things, Dan whitefish dot com.

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01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:04.720
<v Speaker 4>Check them out.

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01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.000
<v Speaker 3>All right, gentlemen, thank you for coming out again. We

1651
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:12.800
<v Speaker 3>will continue this in the future. Until then, brothers, stay

1652
01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:13.359
<v Speaker 3>low and go.

1653
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.479
<v Speaker 5>All right, everybody will see it the big one. Thanks again, guys.

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01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.279
<v Speaker 4>All right, guys, thanks for tuning. Have a great night.

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01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Goodnight everyone,