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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here for part two of

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our user Illusion one album coverage. We're going to start

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going through track by track here in just a second,

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cover Use Your Illusion Part two track by track.

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Speaker 2: Once we started talking about this d we realize pretty

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quickly that we need like an intro episode and then

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a track by track on Usual Allusion one, and then

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a track by track on Usual Allusion two.

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Speaker 1: And there's just too much stuff to talk about, and

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then a drink.

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Speaker 3: Do the bar.

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Speaker 2: There is an amazing amount of stories behind in these songs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before we get rolling, I just wanted to share something.

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Last week we had Brad Moore come on on our

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Shirly showcase and tell us what he thought about ten

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versus never Mind. He communicates with us on Facebook all

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of the time and he has a great story about

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when black and usuer Illusion came out. He said that

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when Black came out, he was not a big fan

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because it was such a departure from Master Puppets and

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Justice for All, but he was still a big Guns

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n' Roses fan. He had been working in a movie

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theater and he remembers, you know, when the end credits

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came on for Terminator two, the you could be Mine

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came on, he said, in this theater speakers, it sounded incredible,

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he said. On the flip side, He's got mixed feelings

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about these albums, he said, I had just seen them

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in Dallas with skid Row openings, so I had already

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heard November Rain, Locomotive, and Live and Let Die because

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they had played them live before the albums were released.

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My apprehension came from the fact that GNR mostly Axel

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were lousy in that show. Two and a half hours

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had elapsed before they hit the stage. Following skid Row,

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people started fighting. When they finally came out, Axel sounded

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awful and someone threw a bottle at him, and he

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lectured the crowd and threatened to stop the show, and

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they pulled it together some and were better as the

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show went on. But it was obvious that they were

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starting to unravel.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about all those songs and all

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that unraveling here in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: All right, So you're ready to jump in track by track.

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Speaker 4: Let's go track by track. Use your illusion.

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Speaker 1: One Before we get going, I just want to point

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something out. We have been talking to each other now

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for a couple of years, face to face. And one

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of the reasons that I can do that is because

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you don't have nose hair. Have you been talking to

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people and like you can't even concentrate on what they're

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saying because of their nose hair?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they like tuck to you. It dangles, yes, it wiggles.

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Speaker 1: It's a total distraction.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And so let me let me say, if you are

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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takes care of it. You're not gonna look at people

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and bother.

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Speaker 1: Them, right, And I'm one of those guys who's self

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conscious about my nose hair. So somebody that you're gonna

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see me and I'm gonna be like yanking them out

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and wincing in.

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Speaker 5: Pain, don't do that.

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Speaker 5: And I'd like to point.

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Speaker 1: Out that a giraffe is easier to see in the

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 2: So it's very good around sensitive areas, if you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They have also an entire shave kit called the

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Speaker 5: Whack it perfect.

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Speaker 2: First song out of the gate is a song called

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right next Door to Hell.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you come in with this awesome bass and then

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the scratch slide of the pick down the stringers of

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the guitar, and I'm already like, yep, they're kicking, but

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right out of the gate, super excited about it. Everything

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else comes in drum seems solid. They are different. I

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can tell the difference between Matt Sorum and Steven Adler,

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but they're still solid. And then Axel starts singing, and

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I'm like, what is like choppy?

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Speaker 2: Can't really understand what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't understand what he's saying. There's not a

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melody to it. I love the music, but when Axel

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comes in, I immediately like, Okay, hopefully this will get better.

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Hopefully it gets better, And eventually I'm like, Okay, I'm

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moving on to the next song.

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Speaker 2: This is a great live song. I'm sure you know

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you're pumping your fist. Hey, what's he saying? I don't care.

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I'm just rocking out at the concert, having a great time. Sure,

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this song's got an amazing story behind it.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the best part of this day. The story.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, the stories behind these songs are incredible.

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So in October of nineteen ninety, Axel has a neighbor

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named Gabriella Cantor who he called an over enthusiastic fan

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and apparently she was bugging him to hang out or whatever.

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So she calls the cops one night their next door neighbors,

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and she says that he hit her with a wine bottle. Right,

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He said she was a fanatic, she was a stalker,

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and she tried to drunkenly attack him.

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Speaker 1: His I think his wife or girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Everley, had just had a miscarriage. She was in

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the back room asleep. This crazy girl comes banging on

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his door, and when he told her to go home

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and sleep it off, she tried to like wedge her

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way in the door, and she threw her keys at yep, okay,

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And so when he finally locked her out, he took

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her keys and like just chucked him as far as goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's on the twelfth floor. Yeah, even if

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he has a really bad arm, it's gonna be hard

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to find those teeth, that's right. So he had taken

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the wine bottle from her, dumped it out, and then

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he actually called the police. He called the sheriff's apartment.

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They just didn't seem interested. Yeah, are you inside now, Okay,

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I guess no threat then, right bye?

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Speaker 2: I love that he just chucked her keys as far

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as he could from twelfth story.

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Speaker 1: So they weren't interested whenever he called the police. But

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then she goes downstairs and has the front desk called

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the police and she says, he hit me in the

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head with the wine bottle, and that's enough to get

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the police over there. And soon Axel is walking in

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handcuffs to a patrol car and spends the next four

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hours in jail until he bonds out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, when asked for a comment, what happened to

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Axel give us a comment, He's like, yeah, I live

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next door to a psycho.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is I watched the MTV news clip on

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this one and the lead into this story was David

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Speaker 2: Wow, that dates it a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: MTV had a contest called evict Axel where they gave

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away this condo.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful sunset strip property does everything a rock and roll

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could ever want. Axl Rose has to move a bar.

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Speaker 2: A barbecue, and a pool within throwing distance.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it hasn't been used, it just hasn't.

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Speaker 1: Been slept away. From the noise of angry neighbors.

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Speaker 6: This wall has only been smashed once some guy's head,

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but it's been repaired.

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Speaker 1: It's like you now faked. Taxel rose the possession of

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his condo.

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Speaker 5: He's furniture, he's stereo eighties four.

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Speaker 1: You can have the pad.

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Speaker 7: I'm keeping my arms.

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Speaker 2: MTV ran this is a vict Axle contest, which is

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super funny, and when you look at the pool, you're like, oh, Lee,

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I don't know though, they'll never find those keys. A

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Ohio college student won the condo from MTV. So this

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song was written by Axel is He Stratlin, who we

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talked about quit the band Yep, and a guy named

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Timo Caltillo. Yeah, who is a finished guitarist from Finland.

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He's from He didn't finish things. He finished this song.

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Hey wait, I've got a crazy game.

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Speaker 1: What a coincidence. Let's write a song. Yeah. He and

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Izzy had put it together first, had kind of got

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the bones of it going, and then Axel has this

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experience and rounds out the rest of the song.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're done with that one.

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right.

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Speaker 2: Next song on the album is called Dust and Bonus.

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Speaker 8: Today he left.

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Speaker 3: It out back on the.

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Speaker 4: Sixty five.

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Speaker 1: Shitay, okay, so you heard that back on the Highway

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I sixty five. That is the highway that went through Lafayette, Indiana,

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where Izzy and Axel grew up together. And according to Axel,

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this is about some dude getting run over on no way.

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That's how he lost his mind.

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Speaker 2: This is a bluesy, western saloon feeling song.

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Speaker 1: Totally different than what we got on Appetite, And that's

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true for so many of these songs. You've got punk rock,

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you've got classic rock, and you've got a whole lot

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of blues. Like this is so much more blues based

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than what.

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Speaker 7: We got on Appetite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because Axel kind of wanted to move

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towards progressive rock, more Nine Inch Nails type of stuff. Yeah,

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and Slash was very much no, We're sticking with the blues.

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Is he Straggling sings lead vocals on this song.

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Speaker 1: This song to me is Aerosmith all over the place.

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I'm like, I can hear Steven Tyler and as I'm

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getting through it, he literally does it. And if you'll

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remember from our Aerosmith episode, Slash was the one who

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ended up with Joe Perry's guitar that he had recorded

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Walked This Way and all those other icons with So

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I think that probably Aerosmith had to be a huge

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influence on this whole album, but definitely this song. I

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would love to hear Aerosmith cover Dustin Bones.

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Speaker 2: Slash plays the voice box on this song. Yeah, we've

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covered the Richie Samboras and the we talked about Peter Frampton.

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Speaker 1: Peter frampt to Come Alive, Yeah, and he and we

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Actually that story came up when we covered Appetite because

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there's one song in there that has the.

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Speaker 2: Thing goes on popbox. Yeah, that's right. Actual stopped a

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show in Denver because there was a fan yelling and

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flipping him off while he played Dustino.

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Speaker 3: Song hold It, Hold It, hold It.

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Speaker 2: That dude right there, get him out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then later on different concert, but also stops

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because there's a guy in the front row who's got

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a T shirt on that has the name of the

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radio station that played in Lafayette, and he stops and

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starts talking with the guy. He's like, what's his name?

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Still the DJ over?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that station saved my life, you know, it's like

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that was my music that's cool, very cool. Okay. So

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to go along with that blues bass that we are

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now hearing, you are also hearing for the first time

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piano on the Guns and Roses song Tristan Bones. This

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is the first song that you've got Dizzy Reid playing.

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That's a whole new thing.

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Speaker 7: To the ears of gn R fans.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of piano on Appetite for Destruction, No any,

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I don't think any. I don't think any I don't

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think any all right. Moving on song number three, Living

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Let Dye and.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to watch the James Bond like

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trailer with this version instead of the Paul McCartney version.

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Speaker 7: I love the Paul McCartney version.

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Speaker 1: It's great. I mean it was. It was a kicking

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butt song back then. Yeah, but yeah you you take

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it up to Slash's guitar and the hard and distorted

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sound that it gets it.

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Speaker 7: I loved it. I loved the song when it came out.

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Speaker 2: This was the second single released December third of ninety one,

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got all the way to number thirty three on the

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Hot one hundred and just in case there's somebody out

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there who doesn't realize it, this was the theme song

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for a Roger Moore James Bond movie called Live and

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Let Die. Actually said he felt like this was a

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sequel to Welcome to the Jungle.

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Speaker 1: I could see that. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: He and Slash were on the phone one night and

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they would talk back and forth about songs they wanted

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to cover, and this was one that came up that

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they both loved and that they felt like seems like

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a hard rock song even though it's not hard rock, right,

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and so they gave it that g n R edge.

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The middle part when there's a breakdown, and it's the

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partway says what does it matter to you? When you've

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got a job to do, You've got to do it

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well and you've got to give the other fella hell.

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But he leans on it. You get that great axle

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vocal right there that part. I think it's golden love it.

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Matthew mccagan, who is Duff's brother, is one of the

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guys who plays horn on this track.

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Speaker 1: And this one you get background vocals by Shannon Hoon,

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who was the lead singer of Lion Mellen. You say.

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Speaker 2: It's brilliant lain.

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Speaker 4: Watch in the bottle of gud.

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Speaker 1: He joined them on multiple shows and he was in Yeah, yeah,

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it was in a couple of videos.

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Speaker 2: He's from Lafayette, Indiana. Oh there you go, the hometown boy.

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Here's this funny story for this one. Okay, Sir Paul

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McCartney that when his kids were at school, kids would

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be like, yeah, it's a great song. You guys heard

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that song with Guns and Roses. Wait a minute, that's

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our dad and they're like, no, no, no, that's Guns

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and Roses. Paul McCartney's kids were like, our dad wrote

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that song.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So the music video for Living Let Die right, that's

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the last appearance as a member of Guns of Roses

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Frizzy Straggling.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, by.

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Speaker 2: The way, if you haven't seen that video in a

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long time, I was a great shot at the very beginning.

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It's a little bitty kid, red hair, got little toy guns,

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pulds them out and it starts the whole video off.

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That's baby Axel.

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Speaker 7: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: This song was featured in the movie Gross point blank.

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Remember that movie from the nineties. I do.

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Speaker 1: Is that the nineties ten Minutes again? Oh yeah, that

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was John. That was John Cusack's comeback movie.

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Speaker 7: They did a fantastic job with the song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, song number four, don't Cry.

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Speaker 1: So to this song.

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Speaker 4: Is something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this song predates everything, Axel says. This is the.

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Speaker 7: First song they wrote together.

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Speaker 2: This is the first Guns n' Roses song that's nuts,

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is't then crazy?

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Speaker 1: Like eighty five?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They played this at their first concert as Guns N' Roses.

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Speaker 1: Oh man.

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Speaker 2: This was written by Izzie and Axel. They played it

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for the first time as Hollywood Rose in nineteen eighty five.

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It predates Guns and Roses' Sorry, but it was also

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on the set list for the first Guns and Roses

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concert June sixth of nineteen eighty five. This was really

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September seventeenth. This's your first Usual Illusion one single reached

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number ten in the US. There's a really cool part

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in the middle of this song. It's kind of subtle,

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says give me a whisper, give me a sigh.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was pretty cool. You know what this

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song is about?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm telling me. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So, Izzy Straddling had been dating this girl. Her name

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is Monique Lewis. She had been seeing Izzy and they

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were kind of parting ways, and Axel kind of realized that, Hey,

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I think I really liked this girl and I'm going

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to go for it. And she was moving on to

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other things and couldn't take the rock and roll lifestyle anymore.

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And so she said, no, I can't see you either,

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and so he started to cry and she said, don't cry, Bill,

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this is pretty Axel. So it was a song about

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a girl breaking Axle's heart. Her face is tattooed on

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his bicep.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's where I had heard that name before. I

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was just looking it up. I was just like, I'm

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pretty sure I remember from our Appetite episode that girl.

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Speaker 7: That's the name of the girl tattooed on.

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Speaker 2: His right bicet. Yeah, you know why they didn't put

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this on Appetite Instruction.

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Speaker 1: No, here's the reason.

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Speaker 2: Axel has said, we wanted to keep this as an

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ace in the hole because we didn't know if Appetite

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for Destruction would sell two copies or ten copies or

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two hundred copies.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: We didn't want to use every single song that we

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had in our arsenal, and we felt like this was

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a good song maybe to hang on to album number two.

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Speaker 1: Right, good call. Plenty of people bought this album because

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of that song. Yeah, this is my favorite song on

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the album. Okay, favorite song on the ALP.

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Speaker 2: You know. One of the things I want to talk

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about at the end is what's the best song on

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the album? Yeah, what's maybe a song that should have

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been trimmed yep, and then maybe an undiscovered gem for

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people who are not familiar with his album.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shannon Hoone sings background vocals on this song as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually credit him as vocals. Like the the

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credit for vocals is Axel Shannon background vocals. Isy, So

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he had enough of an impact that they said, we're

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giving you credit for the vocals on this one.

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Speaker 2: So I think this song is beautiful. It's sad. Let's

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talk about the music video for just a second. Okay, right, So,

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epic music video directed by Andy Morahan. You have Stephanie Seymour,

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who is a Victoria's Secret model, yes, and Axel's girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: The Victoria's Secret Model if you will.

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Speaker 2: She was so hot majors, my gosh. So she's dating

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Axel at this time. During the video, they actually wrestle

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over a gun.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: His character in the video is going to shoot himself

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and she's trying to prevent him from doing that, and

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he finally just gives it to her. That event actually

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happened with Aaron Everley in real life. Yeah, Axel was

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going to blow his brains out. Aaron Everley kept him

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from doing that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you go and recreate an experience

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like that for a music video, but hey, and just

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so that we touch on it, apparently in this relationship

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between the two, Axel was the more stable one.

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Speaker 2: When Stephanie Seymour is the less stable one. You got

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to know she's the back half. Crazy. Yeah, hot and crazy.

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That's the deadliest combination one.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that whole continuum you know the graph.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where she's ye on that graph. Yeah, So Izy

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Straddlin's not in the music video. You actually see a

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sign in this music video where it says where's Izzy guys?

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This the one where Axel wors the Nirvana hack?

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Speaker 1: Oh right right? I think this is the video that

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he wore the Nirvana hack and he ultimately later on

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ends up burning it on stage. Yeah, the love hate

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relationship that he had with that.

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Speaker 2: I've got a great story about this music video. Okay,

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So the director Andy Moorehn He tells a story about

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how they finally wrapped the video. I'm done with this

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crazy rock and roll band and his psycho girlfriend and

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all these nutsoe people. So he's like, I'm out of here.

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So he gets on the freight elevator to go down

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finally by himself, finally done, and he sees a hand

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reach in to stop the freight elevator from closing, and

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it's none other than Axel Rose getting on the elevator

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and Stephanie Seymour with him.

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Speaker 5: Okay, on the way down the elevator.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, this is just just down the elevator.

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Andy Moore hen says, I'm not going to say they

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were dry humping, but they were dry humping, and Axel

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had no care in the world there was another human

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being in the elevator with them. They were basically getting

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it on in the elevator while this guy is like

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cowering in the corner.

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Speaker 1: He gus me, I just need to push floor three.

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Speaker 2: So he said he was having a rock star moment

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and that that was that. Doug Goldstein, who is the

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manager of Guns N' Roses, when he met Stephanie Seymour,

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he goes to knock on Axel's door. When the door opens,

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there's Stephanie Seymour Victoria's Secret Model, completely nude, totally naked.

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Guy's like, uh hi, and she's like you.

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Speaker 1: Just come on in.

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Speaker 2: He's like, no, thanks, gotta go rock and roll craziness.

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Speaker 1: What would you say, dear listener? In that scenario, you

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open the door and the Victoria's Secret Model is standing

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there naked is chamber but naked.

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Speaker 2: Come on in. Okay, I think I'll sit over here.

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Speaker 5: I'll have a coke.

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Speaker 2: One more thing I wanted to mention. In the music video,

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Axel is being comforted by a therapist that's his real

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life therapist.

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Speaker 1: What yes, the fashion model like bazoom mega hot? Oh

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my therapist, actual therapist.

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Speaker 5: What do you think you chose her?

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Speaker 1: She's a good doctor.

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Speaker 2: Very gifted.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's really epic. The part of the song I can't

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stand though.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm going this, Oh, I absolutely do.

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Speaker 2: It's the last note of the song.

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Speaker 1: It's the oh shut up for like just let it

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in thirty seconds ah and you can hear Slash come

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back in with ding dunk dunk, yeah, dunk dunk dunk,

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Like could just stop.

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Speaker 2: That's the part I don't like. Other than that, it's beautiful, yes,

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perfect song other than that end. Okay, are we done

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with Don't Cry?

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Speaker 7: It's a shame, but I think so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We're done.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: The next song on the album's song called perfect Crime.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if this one again is very much like

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right next Door to Hell, where you're kicking butt right

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out of the gate, you know a band, and it's

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a van good riffy. I like it, but again, the

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vocals fall short for me. I'm with you, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: It's too choppy. It needs he needs to like spread

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out in his vocals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I don't know what is what do we

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call this rapping? It's kind of led zeppeliny the way

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he's doing it, but he's not doing it right this Fortunately,

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this one in an album full of really long songs, right,

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it's nice and short at two minutes and eighteen seconds

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twenty yeah, yeah, and we just looked at it and

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just figured it out. Right at the point that there's

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a minute and nine seconds left, you can hear Axel

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say T minus one oh nine and counting.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: It is pretty cool and yes, I was ready for

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it to be over at that point.

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Speaker 2: This song was almost included on Appetite for Destruction. Okay,

471
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,200
once again, another song that predates Appetite for Destruction.

472
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing, Like, they didn't come to the

473
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:25,359
table with a whole bunch, Like they didn't get together

474
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,960
as a band and write a whole bunch of new

475
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,720
songs for this. This is almost all stuff that they

476
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,759
had done before, which is good because they didn't like

477
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,720
each other after the Appetite tour, right, they didn't care.

478
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,000
They were done, They didn't associate with each other. They

479
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,119
got together to record their music and do their live

480
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,440
shows and that was it slashed As there was one

481
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,640
time in all of this that they got together at

482
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,720
his house and it was the whole band together, and

483
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,039
he said, it felt like the old days where we're

484
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,119
actually writing music together. But up until that point, the

485
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,400
albums had been disjointed, the music had been just joined,

486
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,160
and it was just that one night that they finally

487
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,400
kind of glued it all together to make it what

488
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,160
we have today.

489
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Wow. Perfect Crime was first performed in nineteen eighty six

490
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,000
at Ackerman Hall at UCLA. Okay, it was like a

491
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,799
frat party.

492
00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:17,799
Speaker 4: Baa baa.

493
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: It's crazy to think that Guns n' Roses was playing

494
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,599
the University circuit at one time. Yeah, that was on

495
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,480
Halloween nineteen eighty six.

496
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:31,279
Speaker 1: Nice Halloween nineteen eighty six. I'm pretty sure I dressed

497
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,480
up as Martin McFly. Nice.

498
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,079
Speaker 2: Got anything more to say about perfect crime?

499
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: Nope?

500
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,079
Speaker 2: Moving on to a song called You Ain't the First?

501
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: One two three one two May two three, Whoam and

502
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,039
shot song?

503
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: Just kid?

504
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

505
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: One two three one two three. This is in three

506
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000
four time, and this is an acoustic This is very

507
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:16,079
wise kind of sound.

508
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,799
Speaker 2: This song belongs on g n our Lives.

509
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,079
Speaker 1: It does, and it's three four time, which is unusual

510
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200
for you know rock band. Well I'm not that unusual,

511
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,359
but it's unusual for Kins and Roses. Little waltz, little

512
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:29,680
bluesy kind of waltz.

513
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 7: Going on.

514
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: You Ain't the first? This is another f you song.

515
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640
This is an few song to all the girlfriends that

516
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,200
we used to have. You ain't the first and this

517
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:40,519
girl ain't gonna be the last.

518
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: Not surprisingly, this bluesy one was written by Izzy Stradlin

519
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,599
as well.

520
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: In ninety three, it was rumored that Axel would dedicate

521
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,960
this song to Stephanie Seymour from the stage, Crazy Stephanie Seymour,

522
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,160
Crazy Hot Yeah, sung by Izzy Axel and shannonhon Again.

523
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:58,640
You got anything else on this? No?

524
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,559
Speaker 1: Well, the the guitar that's being played is a dough

525
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:05,880
Bro style of guitar, which has that unique.

526
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,039
Speaker 7: Sound, and it's you play it with the slide.

527
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if Slash you're playing it on his lap,

528
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,000
but generally when you see the big metal in the middle,

529
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,319
that's going to tell you it's a dough Bro and

530
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,920
it's got this kind of unique sound.

531
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: I read that and I had no idea what that meant.

532
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,519
I like the part at the very end of the

533
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,240
song when they're wrapping it up and they're like, all right,

534
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,599
that's the take to the bar.

535
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,799
Speaker 1: You're done, You're done done with this one.

536
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's move on to the Barlet's take moving on

537
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,079
to a song called bad Obsession.

538
00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 5: There's a harmonica.

539
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:01,559
Speaker 2: Hello, O harmon, Oh cow bell?

540
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,519
Speaker 1: I got a feva only prescription is more cow bell.

541
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,519
Speaker 2: This is very honkey talk.

542
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: Its huge honckey talk.

543
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: So the guy who is playing the harmonic, who also

544
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,119
plays the saxophone on this one, is a guy named

545
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,319
Mike Monroe. He was the vocalist for the glam punk

546
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,240
band Hanoi Rocks, which you've probably heard of.

547
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Hanoi Rocks had the drummer that was killed by

548
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,319
Vince Neil remember that. And yes, yes, the song was

549
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,039
written by Izzy and West our Kin. We talked about him.

550
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,240
He was a friend of the band, kind of a

551
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,480
neighbor friendly thing. If West ended up losing his life

552
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,759
to drugs, the song is about drugs, Schucker, there were

553
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:44,400
drugs around the band. No, yes, Wow. I heard Axel

554
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,440
talk about how this song actually predates but acts as

555
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,559
a sequel to mister Brownstone, right, a prequel if you will.

556
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,880
It's kind of a prequel.

557
00:29:55,119 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is such a standard kind of

558
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,640
honky tonk song. This is Once Bitten by Great White,

559
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,599
This is keep your Hands to Yourself by George Satellites,

560
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,599
this is honky Tonk Women by Rolling Stones, this is

561
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,680
Jealous Again by the Black Crows.

562
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,039
Speaker 2: I mean, it's all that same kind of rhythm that

563
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,759
is a whole mess of songs that we need to

564
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:20,519
podcast about.

565
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,319
Speaker 5: Right, this is a good song.

566
00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:22,759
Speaker 3: I like it.

567
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 5: It's fun.

568
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not really guns n' roses.

569
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,279
Speaker 1: It's not hard rock. No, this I mean, and that's

570
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,400
what we talked about before. If you bought into Guns

571
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240
n' Roses because they were a hard rock this album

572
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,519
is throwing you for a loop. There's a lot more

573
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:35,279
stuff going on.

574
00:30:35,559 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 8: Next song is a song called back Off Bitch, another

575
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,440
great intro.

576
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: This is pure guns and Roses to me, right. Yeah,

577
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:16,880
it's not a great song, but it has all the

578
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,480
elements of guns and Roses.

579
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

580
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,079
Speaker 2: This is another song written prior to Appetite for Destruction.

581
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,519
Axel says this song was written in nineteen eighty one.

582
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: That's like back in Indiana.

583
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that he's like eighteen, Yeah, something like that.

584
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,599
The dates and times don't really add up, right, because

585
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,559
he also said that this was written about his girlfriend,

586
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960
Gina Piler, who moved with him to Los Angeles in

587
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,920
nineteen eighty two. She eventually kicked him out because shocker,

588
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,880
he has anger issues.

589
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm snake, will you taking me up? So?

590
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an old song. A guy named Chris Webber,

591
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,279
who was a member of Hollywood Rose, sued Axel because

592
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,680
he said that he wrote this song. Okay, but by

593
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,400
the time he got around to suing him, the statue

594
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,480
of limitations had ran out. Is he plays the guitar

595
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,759
solo on this one. Okay, this is one of the

596
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,000
ten songs played that first night when all five original

597
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,880
members of Guns N' Roses played on that June sixth,

598
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,000
nineteen eighty five day.

599
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 7: This is no case song for me, but nothing that

600
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,559
I'm gonna keep listening to you over.

601
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: And over and fancy. Okay, I do want to point

602
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,839
out something. A guy named Paul Hugy. Yeah, he gets

603
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400
writing credit on this. Yes, this is the guy who

604
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,079
eventually took Slash's job.

605
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: So he is a point of.

606
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,759
Speaker 2: Contention with the band members, right. Axel was friends with

607
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440
him in Indiana. He brought him around in the mid

608
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,599
nineties and said, Hey, I've got this guy I want

609
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,079
to bring in. Duff and Slash were like nope, and

610
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,799
he's like, well, just just play with him and just

611
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,440
see what you think. So they're like, okay, fine, we'll

612
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,839
play with him. They play with him, and they're like nope.

613
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,039
So the song Sympathy for the Devil, the one that

614
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,799
came out for the interview with the Vampire soundtrack, Yeah,

615
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,759
Slash wrote that solo and when he had left, this

616
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,559
guy named Paul came right behind him, copied it, but

617
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,519
did it himself, and that was like the straw that

618
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,359
broke Camel's backslashes out, moving on, moving on, Moving on.

619
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,599
Next song is called double Talking Give.

620
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:36,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So this one starts off a lot like you

621
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,720
could be Mine like that, but then it comes in

622
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640
with George Thurgut here right. So once again they're taking

623
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:47,720
a very standard type of sound, the jive sound, and

624
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,200
making their own song out of it, except that they've

625
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,440
got lyrics about finding a head in an arm inside

626
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,000
of a trash can and.

627
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: God can.

628
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: And then they've got lyrics and I'm wondering if this

629
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,559
is it's got to be a reference to Patients, the.

630
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: Song and the Lies, Yeah, the album right, no.

631
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: More.

632
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: I think that's clearly a reference to Lies and the

633
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:26,280
song Patients.

634
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you did what I'm saying.

635
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: I dig what you're saying.

636
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,159
Speaker 1: All right.

637
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,119
Speaker 2: Here's the funny part about this song, Okay. Axel would

638
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,679
dedicate this song to whoever was pissiting him off at

639
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,239
the moment, right, So he has dedicated this to Izzy.

640
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,679
In ninety three, he dedicated this to Lars Ulrich from

641
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:45,199
the stage.

642
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,039
Speaker 1: Get this.

643
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,599
Speaker 2: He dedicated this in June of ninety two to Warren Batty.

644
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,320
Oh yeah, because he had like hit on Aaron Evianley,

645
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,039
he had hit on Stephanie Siemows. He also dedicated this

646
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,599
song to George Bush and Bill Clinton that said the time.

647
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: For you a bit. Yeah. I guess he was a

648
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,119
Russ Parough fan.

649
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: Whoever was bugging him at the time goes normal patience.

650
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,519
So you may mention that the head and the arm

651
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,719
found in the garbage can, right, So that was rumored

652
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,679
that those were body parts of a porn actor slash

653
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,800
director guy named Billy London.

654
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 7: That's fascinating.

655
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So William Ernold Newton had died just the

656
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,119
October before. October nineteen ninety. He was murdered shortly after

657
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,119
completing what would be obviously his last film, The Rip

658
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,599
of Fashion. Newton's dismembered body was discovered by a transient

659
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:48,119
and a dumpster near Santa Monica Boulevard. His murder remains unsolved.

660
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: This was right outside the studio. I don't know if

661
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,400
you know this or not, but Matt Soorm went on

662
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:56,719
Celebrity ghost Stories, went back to this studio and they

663
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,360
did that whole paranormal thing. Apparently Matt Sorum's pretty scooped

664
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,519
out by it. Yeah, double talking jive, no more patience,

665
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,840
no more lies. All right, let's move on to one

666
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,039
of the pillars of the album one.

667
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,519
Speaker 1: Of This is the pillar of the album. All right,

668
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,119
This is the This is the tenth pole of all

669
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,599
tent poles of all albums.

670
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:18,679
Speaker 7: November eight.

671
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:57,159
Speaker 2: This song is amazing. This song was released February eighteenth

672
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,400
of nineteen ninety two. It reached number three in the

673
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,400
US and is the longest song to ever be in

674
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,559
the top ten. At eight minutes and fifty seven seconds long,

675
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,719
It's the second longest song on the album. Estrange is longer, right,

676
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440
but it's the longest song to ever reach the top

677
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,360
ten for the Billboard Hot one hundred.

678
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: So I'm going to spoil it for you, guys. I'm sorry.

679
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,960
I'm sorry to do this. But Acxuel had been working

680
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,639
on the song since before he joined Guns N' Roses,

681
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,840
right right before he put it together. This was the

682
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,360
song that when he showed back up to do his

683
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,280
part on this album, they had thirty three songs in

684
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,159
the camp like the band had done thirty three songs

685
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,880
ready to go, and Axel could not have cared less

686
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,119
about any of them. All he wanted to do was

687
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,239
work on this song and work it out. And even

688
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,119
when they first started with it, he didn't have it

689
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:48,280
completely the way that he wanted it. And so there's

690
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,920
this moment where he and Matt Zoram are sitting in

691
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,840
the studio after recording. They're just sitting there and they're

692
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
listening to Elton John. So I'm about to ruin this

693
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,280
song for all of the non drummers out there, the drummers,

694
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
you probably realize what was going on, and it's probably

695
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,719
a distraction for you. Until I heard this story, it

696
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:09,519
was not a distraction at all. And now I cannot

697
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:12,679
hear the song without being focused on this. It's like

698
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:17,320
hearing the fluorescent lights on. So Matt, Sorum and Axel

699
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,599
are sitting in the studio after a day of recording.

700
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,239
They're eating takeout, they're drinking a glass of wine, and

701
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,159
they're listening to Elton John. And the Elton John song

702
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,920
Don't let the Sun Go Down on Me comes on,

703
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,760
and there's a couple of times that this little drum

704
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,599
fill comes in on the song and this is this

705
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:54,320
is what it sounds like. And let me so they're

706
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,119
commenting on that little drum fill and Axel says, this

707
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,840
is what we need for November Rain. That's the drum

708
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,280
fill I want. And Matt's like, okay, where and ax

709
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,719
was like, no, that's what I want In every single

710
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,119
spot that there's a drum fill it needs to be that.

711
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,639
It's so epic, it's so awesome. We didn't have that.

712
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:19,639
So literally that drum pills played twenty three time, twenty

713
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:20,239
three times.

714
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:28,119
Speaker 2: It's crazy, right, we're not look into ya, I can

715
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:28,599
see it.

716
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I can't remember who the drummer was that

717
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,920
tried to call Matt Sorum out on it, and the

718
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,280
fact that he played the exact same drum pill twenty

719
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,239
three times in the same song, but his response was basically,

720
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,960
twenty two million albums sold, how about that? I was like, okay, sorry,

721
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,480
you're right.

722
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll shut up. It's the same drum fill twenty

723
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,719
three times, exact same yes, wow, Okay. The interesting thing

724
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,880
to me on November Rain is that rumor is that

725
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,920
Slash and Duff really didn't like this song very much.

726
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,760
They didn't want the symphony right. They weren't true believers

727
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,000
on this one, like Axel was.

728
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 1: Right, and it wasn't even really a symphony. It was

729
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,360
a synthesizer, which probably was even worse for them. Right.

730
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: The interesting thing to me also, Acxuel had been kicking

731
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,119
this around since nineteen eighty three. Tracy Gunns had worked

732
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,000
on it with him for La Guns. Right, it means

733
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,079
pre dating Guns and Roses. Let's talk about the music

734
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,920
video for a second. Okay, the music video has everyone

735
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:40,320
has the whole, every girlfriend, every crew member. Stephanie Seymour

736
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,960
and Axel get married, and then later he's at her funeral.

737
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,800
Slash's in charge of the ring at the wedding, and

738
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,559
then he goes outside. It's funny because obviously they're inside

739
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,880
a big church which was shot in Los Angeles. When

740
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,800
he goes out the back door. Then he's at this

741
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:58,480
tiny church in New Mexico.

742
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Little inconsistency there.

743
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: In July of twenty eighteen, this is the first music

744
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,599
video to surpass one billion views on YouTube. The first

745
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,480
one when was that July of twenty eighteen.

746
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,159
Speaker 1: Okay, because we mentioned that Inner Sandman was it understandment it.

747
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: Was nothing else matters, Okay, just just hit like this month, yeah,

748
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:21,599
like August.

749
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: This song is a part of a trilogy. You've Got

750
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,639
November Rain, You've Got Don't Cry, which you've already listened to,

751
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800
and then Estranged, which is on the next album, right,

752
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,719
it's on part two.

753
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 5: No, god, no, I mean this song's long.

754
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: The song is almost nine minutes long. I can remember

755
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,199
like being at home in this video coming on and

756
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,039
thinking I really want to watch this, but I don't

757
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:02,880
think I have the time.

758
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 5: Let me just at least get to slash his guitar

759
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:07,800
sol a little and then I.

760
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:14,639
Speaker 2: Can go yeah, yeah, awesome guitar song. Yeah, beautiful sweeping song.

761
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,800
This music video costs over one point five million dollars

762
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,320
to make, making it one of the most expensive music

763
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,360
videos of all time.

764
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 7: Okay, so at the end of.

765
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,199
Speaker 1: The video, it says inspired by, or based on, or

766
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,199
something like that, the short Story Without You by Dell James. Interesting, Okay,

767
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,440
and so I think if you want to know why

768
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,760
she dies, since that's not answered in the video, you have.

769
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,519
Speaker 7: To read that story.

770
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: I've never read it.

771
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: No, we neither.

772
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,159
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got some great stuff I want to talk about.

773
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,639
Speaker 1: Okay. One of the.

774
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: Things that inspired him time wise. I'm not sure how

775
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,519
this line's up, but when he saw what Tommy Lee

776
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,840
had done on Home Sweet Home. He knew he wanted

777
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,800
to incorporate piano into and make this grand song. Right,

778
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,800
so Home Sweet Home impacts this song a little bit.

779
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,199
I think that's a really cool story.

780
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: Yes, this song to me is very Layla.

781
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,679
Speaker 1: You get the pianos in there, and then you've got

782
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,480
that break in the middle where you're like, oh, Raide's over, No,

783
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:35,880
it's not.

784
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 9: And Laila is very.

785
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: Much the same way, like after the guitar sologos into

786
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,000
kind of a different sounding song.

787
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: It's like three songs in one. Yep, Harry Underwood plays

788
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,440
this live, which I think that'd be cool to Underwood

789
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,559
does she does Home Sweet Home too.

790
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: I know, right, all right.

791
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 6: I mentioned this before, but this song was number one

792
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:11,800
in Colombia for sixty weeks. That's not that's over a

793
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,480
year in the number one spot.

794
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,119
Speaker 2: And I told you that Axel was playing November Rain

795
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,039
in Colombia and it started to reign and he thought,

796
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,599
and this is super appropriate to have this wonderful, majestic song,

797
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,320
the super cool prince like purple rain Moment's pretty cool.

798
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:28,079
Speaker 3: That is cool.

799
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: Andy Moorehan directed the music video. This is the same

800
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:33,639
guy that Axel was dry humping next to in the

801
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,440
freight elevator. Andy Moorehan directed Faith and Father Figure by

802
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,280
George Michael's Flashback to Our I knew, I ain't heard

803
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,079
that guys name it Flashback to Our George Michael episode

804
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,199
Versus in Excess. We mentioned that church in New Mexico,

805
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,559
that church that slash comes out of, that small church

806
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:55,039
in New Mexico. Yeah, it was in the movie Silverado.

807
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big church that they're in. The guy who

808
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:02,119
is acting as priest for the wedding, yes, actual priest.

809
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:02,559
Speaker 2: Really.

810
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

811
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 1: I don't think he was practicing anymore, but he had

812
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:06,679
been before.

813
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: Love this song, love it, It's to me. It's one

814
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,519
of the big ten Toll songs of the nineties.

815
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 7: It is this album Usual Allusion one is November one.

816
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love, Don't Cry, Live and Let

817
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,400
Die is a cover. This is the album.

818
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,519
Speaker 2: Well we talked, you and I talked. We're gonna give

819
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,000
you our favorite song from the album, ye, our least

820
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:27,840
favorite song from the album and maybe an undiscovered gem

821
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,519
to me. It's November eight. It's this is the best

822
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,559
song on Usual Usion one. We've done with this one. Yeah,

823
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,159
sometimes you need some time on your own. Now we're

824
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,639
moving on. This song is called the Garden.

825
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: No No, No, your brand.

826
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:04,599
Speaker 3: And buy Wow Ease you I the God.

827
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: So to me, this is the undiscovered gem. This is

828
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,840
my undiscovered gem on this Alum, I think this is

829
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,199
a great song. Another song written prior to Appetite for Destruction.

830
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,079
This song has Alice Cooper rapping. What is not to

831
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,400
like about this song? The interesting thing to me is

832
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,199
when they were making this song, Axel was singing the

833
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,639
vocals and Slashed made the comment, you sound like Alice

834
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,079
Cooper right right, And so they had done a song

835
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,400
like a cover of an Alice Cooper song, and so

836
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,559
they thought, well, let's just see if Alice Cooper wants

837
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,800
to do it. So they call him up and say, hey, Alice,

838
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,440
we've got this song. We want you to work on

839
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:51,519
a crazy Man Topia give no one could show.

840
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,599
Speaker 1: You was glad?

841
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, Alice Cooper knew.

842
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:01,079
Speaker 2: Axel's reputation as a perfectionist, uh huh, and Guns N'

843
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:05,360
Roses reputation is being very slow movers. And he said, okay, guys,

844
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,440
I will come and I will sing on this song

845
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,760
for you. Okay, But I've Got a Tea Time in

846
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:17,679
an hour, literally an album that took four years to make.

847
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,440
Alice Cooper did his part in one hour nice. I

848
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,159
don't know if you've seen the music video on this

849
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,559
one didn't get played on MTV very much because it's

850
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:30,039
all about strippers. This song was written by Axl Rose,

851
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,960
Del James and West dar King. You know West Raking,

852
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,480
their buddy who died of a drug overdose. The guitar

853
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,960
that he used to help write some of these songs, yeah,

854
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,239
was stolen by druggies when he overdosed and they were

855
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,320
cleaning him out for all of his work. So also

856
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,400
little known fact, Alice Cooper was given a platinum record

857
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,599
for User Lesion one due to this song, but that

858
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,320
platinum record was stolen when this House was broken into

859
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,440
this song, The Undiscovered Gem Garden.

860
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: Moving on all right.

861
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: The next song, not to be confused with the Garden,

862
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,079
is called Garden of Eden.

863
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 5: It's skills.

864
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: Massive guys, they.

865
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,559
Speaker 5: Sell to you.

866
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: No no no, no, no, no no no.

867
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: It's just spitting out a bunch of lyrics again on

868
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,800
actual I don't like the song. I don't either. I

869
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,400
don't either this.

870
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who think this is

871
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,719
a great song. It's fast, it's repetitious, it's annoying, punk,

872
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,079
it's annoying. It's yeah, it's not good. This was released

873
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,840
as a single September seventeenth, ninety two. It had a

874
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,320
music video that actually had a bouncing ball going over

875
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,480
the lyrics. I'm not kidding.

876
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,559
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's a fast moving ball on this song.

877
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: If you really want some good commentary on it, beave

878
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,320
us some. But heead covered this song.

879
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:10,599
Speaker 5: Audio shut Up.

880
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 2: This was one of the only songs that they wrote

881
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,719
while they were in Chicago in eighty nine. Slash Duff

882
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,119
Steven go out to Chicago axles like, hey, let's meet

883
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:22,960
to Chicago and work on new stuff. They go out there,

884
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:24,920
he doesn't show up for two weeks. This is one

885
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,760
of the songs they completed during that time. This is

886
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,320
one of those songs that he didn't want to hear

887
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,559
when he came and started working on November ring right.

888
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,199
This video was shot the same day that they shot

889
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,000
the Yesterday's video. They were sitting around They're like, we

890
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,800
got all the cameras here, we're all here, might as

891
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,599
well might as well.

892
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:43,519
Speaker 1: They did this video on.

893
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: One take and it was one of those like fish

894
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,440
eye camera lenses. When you look at it there, it's

895
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,480
all right up in their face. They're all jumping around

896
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,760
right into it. They did one take. They knocked out

897
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,320
two videos, Yesterday's and Garden of Eden same day done

898
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,199
with this one, very done. The next song is song

899
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:15,079
called Don't Damn Me, Yeah, no damn Me? Want to

900
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:18,119
thinking of me a Mia side and says in golden way,

901
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:18,519
I'm old.

902
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,519
Speaker 4: It's see I'm.

903
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: On a band to a baby speaking of beat us.

904
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: I hate it's like bugs bunny sound effect right there.

905
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: This was actually okay, of these songs that are not,

906
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,199
you know, well known, this is one of the want to.

907
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 7: Talk like a little bit.

908
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,559
Speaker 2: This was on the list of hidden gems for me.

909
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,760
I love the song. Slash has come out and said

910
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,400
that this is one of his favorites from Usuallysion one. Yeah,

911
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,519
it's got that great guitar, super fun, it's it's high energy,

912
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,480
it's it's good. They don't sing the song live because

913
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,960
the vocals are too hard and I want to dry.

914
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,199
It's I'm gonna get sometimes I get it up, which

915
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,360
is crazy because Garden of Eden seems like a way

916
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,119
harder song to sing. This song was written in response

917
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:10,639
to the critics over the song one in a million. Oh, okay, okay,

918
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,840
that's enough of don't damn Me? Good song? Not a single, right,

919
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,800
it's pretty good. I like it. There's a lot of

920
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,800
songs on these albums, yes, all right. Next song is

921
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,639
called bad Apples?

922
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: All right, So what do you think about Bad Apples?

923
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Another very bluesy one. I actually kind of dig it,

924
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,599
strong blues influence. Again, do you like apples? I get

925
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:48,960
a number?

926
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 2: How do you.

927
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,679
Speaker 1: Just kidding? So what did you think?

928
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:57,519
Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of a skipper for me.

929
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not as bad as some of the others

930
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,199
for me. I can listen to that one before. Some

931
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,039
of the others were Actuals just spitting out the lyrics.

932
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,000
This one at least has a melody to it, and

933
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,800
it's I will say this about the songs on this

934
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,800
album is that the music is good on every single song.

935
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,039
I mean, not like what Actual has done with the

936
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,119
lyrics and how he and melodies on some of them,

937
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,239
but the band is on point on every single song.

938
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: More saloon rock, more hockey tonk, more piano yep. The

939
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,119
next song is called Dead Horse.

940
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:38,159
Speaker 1: Sick of it's life. Not that you can. I'm not

941
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,199
the only.

942
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: One with these feeling that's him.

943
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Nobody ununderstands.

944
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: Why why why? He? All right, So this song sounds

945
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,840
like Nirvana.

946
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: Like the very beginning of this.

947
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: It's very Nirvana unplugged, but then it changes your matter

948
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,920
and then it kicks into roses. Yeah.

949
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Now, okay, so just a couple of tidbits on Dead Horse.

950
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,199
I know that our buddy John Reid of the thirty

951
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,480
something movie podcast and the podcast Full of Cryptonite. Yes,

952
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,440
go subscribe, Go subscribe right now. Ass, he's a big

953
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:33,599
fan of this song dead Horse.

954
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,199
Speaker 1: Okay, it's all right, not my verite.

955
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,559
Speaker 2: Even though this was never released as a single, there

956
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,159
was a music video made on this one in ninety three. Okay,

957
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,800
this song was written by Axel. And then also at

958
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,760
the very end of the song you get the audio

959
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,760
of a fast forwarding sound, which I think is totally

960
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:02,320
appropriate on this one. Moving on, all right, and finally

961
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,079
we get to the song called Coma.

962
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,559
Speaker 4: All right, Dee, tell me how you feel about Komba?

963
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So, Koma is one of those ones that I

964
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,519
was not familiar with before we started doing this. I

965
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:37,679
didn't own Use Your Illusion one whenever it came out.

966
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,760
I think I actually did own Use Your Illusion to

967
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,920
but Cooma, it's kind of epic. It's one of those

968
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,480
throwback to the seventies, like full On. You've got a

969
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:55,480
long drawn out socket, kumy and a koma. I think

970
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:56,840
I wanna.

971
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:07,559
Speaker 2: Emma Kima? What kind of that I get in a coma?

972
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: There's no chorus. I think it like, you know, repeats

973
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,000
a verse, maybe a little bit here and there in

974
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,480
a ten minute long song. That's kind of crazy.

975
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: It's darker, it's got some anger to it, throws out

976
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,519
a couple of cuss words, which was appealing when you're

977
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,960
fifteen or fourteen or whatever.

978
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: Right, Like Slash had written the music for this thing,

979
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,199
this giant mammoth of a song that they have, and

980
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,960
actual felt a bit overwhelmed at having to write the

981
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,119
lyrics for this thing, but he threw it back to

982
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,440
an overdose like he had tried to take a bottle

983
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,239
of pills. That was the inspiration for this song. So

984
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:51,880
that's pretty tough in and of itself. But the amazing

985
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:56,440
thing that I did not know they did this song

986
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:02,000
in one take. Oh wait, played it together one take

987
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:06,199
and that was it. What I did not know that, Yes, Glad,

988
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,679
it got to blow your mind on that one, because

989
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,840
it blew my mind when I heard it. Ten minute

990
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,760
long song. One of the fans' favorites off of this album,

991
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,599
and they just captured Lightning in a bottle man.

992
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,639
Speaker 2: It's definitely one that you hear as a quiet masterpiece.

993
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 4: People love this song. Yeah, it took some growing for

994
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:41,280
me to appreciate it, but it's different.

995
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: There's a great interview that Kurt Loader had with Axel.

996
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,880
Kurt Loader's kind of like, well, you know you worried

997
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,000
about any of these songs. He's like, oh, well, yeah,

998
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,039
one of them. There's one that's like eleven minutes and

999
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,159
forty five seconds long and has my chorus.

1000
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,119
Speaker 4: Nice.

1001
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: We talked about how this was written to and slashes

1002
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,559
heroin days. Axel mentions his overdose. We've already talked about

1003
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,519
how Steven Adler's had twenty eight overdoses so far.

1004
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 4: You like this one, then, huh? Masterpiece?

1005
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know that I would.

1006
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 4: I mean, definitely a lot of the people think it's masterpiece.

1007
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would call it a masterpiece,

1008
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,440
but it is it's definitely worthy. Like it is. You know,

1009
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,960
what I thought of is this to me is like

1010
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:24,960
a next chapter for Welcome to the Jungle. Like it's

1011
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,440
got that same type of sound, same type of feel

1012
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,840
going from you Gonna die to You're in a coma. Well,

1013
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,599
I mean, hey, maybe so maybe that's maybe part two.

1014
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:36,719
Speaker 4: Maybe, So that's that's interesting.

1015
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,679
Speaker 2: It is Guns and Rose's longest song to date, at

1016
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,079
over ten minutes long. Axel actually described this song on MTV.

1017
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,360
He was talking about how this song was Slash his baby,

1018
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:50,000
but when he wrote the lyrics, he talked about when

1019
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,559
he overdosed. In his words, he said, I just grabbed

1020
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,679
a bottle of pills in an argument and gulped them down.

1021
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,199
I ended up in the hospital, but.

1022
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:56,639
Speaker 1: I liked that.

1023
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't in a fight anymore. My first real thoughts were,

1024
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,519
you haven't toured enough, the record's going to be forgotten.

1025
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:05,159
You've got work to do. Get out of this. So

1026
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:07,920
I woke myself up and got out of that coma

1027
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,719
and got back to work. Slash then says I wrote

1028
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,559
coma in my heroin delirium. But that's a song that

1029
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:20,079
I'm still proud of, all right, So that is it

1030
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,239
for gun Zero's usual illusion one. We kind of alluded

1031
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,280
to this, I want you to give me, give me

1032
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,440
your best song, give me your song that you would cut,

1033
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:30,920
and give me like a one off the Beaten track

1034
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:31,320
that you like.

1035
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know, it's not really off the

1036
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,199
Beaten track, but Dustin Bones is one that I really

1037
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,960
enjoyed that I hadn't been super familiar with before. Best

1038
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:46,519
one is definitely Don't Cry for Me, and so then

1039
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:48,760
that leaves me with the one that I get rid of,

1040
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:52,280
which is probably the first song on the album I like.

1041
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,400
I still like I said, I like the music, but

1042
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,519
I think he just destroys it with his lyrics and delivery.

1043
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So for me, my best song is November Rain

1044
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,360
Well and closely by Dunk Cry. I think they're both

1045
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,880
epically beautiful, awesome ballads off the Beaten track. For me,

1046
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,320
I would definitely say the Garden I agree with you,

1047
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,920
Dustin Bones, and then also Don't Damn Me, and then

1048
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,920
the one that I would cut, honestly, it's going to

1049
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,679
be Gardener Eden.

1050
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,039
Speaker 1: Okay.

1051
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,519
Speaker 2: So we reached out to Russ at the Infectious Grooves

1052
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:23,000
podcast and asked for his opinion on these two usual

1053
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,880
illusion albums and Metallica's Black Album. Here's what he had

1054
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,199
to say.

1055
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,079
Speaker 9: Hey everybody, this is Russ from the Infectious Groove podcast

1056
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:32,199
from over in Detroit, Michigan, and I was reached out

1057
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,920
to by Jason Indeed ask for my quick thoughts overall

1058
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,800
on the Black album and Use Your Illusion one and

1059
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,199
Use Your Illusion two. I will tell you that I

1060
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,800
think the Black Album got hated on by a lot

1061
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,760
of Metallica fans just because the sound was so different.

1062
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,000
But I never really bought into that when the album

1063
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,800
came out, because, in my opinion, the band had just

1064
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,519
finished making some of the best thrash metal records of

1065
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,239
all time in a row. They were already on top

1066
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,960
of the mountain, like there really was a anywhere else

1067
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:04,039
to go in a different direction. So I was very

1068
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,360
happy that they were trying to do something different at

1069
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,119
the time. And not only were they trying to do

1070
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:10,519
something different, but they did it very very well. Now,

1071
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,239
Use Your Illusion definitely gets dogged a lot, and the

1072
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,679
terms you always hear come up as people always say,

1073
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,039
oh it's too long or oh it's way too bloated.

1074
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:22,800
I couldn't disagree more instead of a term like bloated.

1075
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,039
The term I always used to describe Us Your Illusion

1076
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,760
wanted To is ambitious. I mean, sure, there's some bad

1077
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,800
songs on Usual Illusion wanted To, like Shotgun Blues, Get

1078
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,920
in the Ring. There's actually a hit that a lot

1079
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,000
of people like that I don't. Garden of Eden was

1080
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:37,880
a fairly big hit that a lot of people like,

1081
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,840
and I'm not a huge fan of that. But then

1082
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,320
there's incredibly underrated songs on Usual Illusion one to two,

1083
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:48,039
like Locomotive, Bad Apples, coma fourteen years breakdown, And that's

1084
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,239
in addition to some fantastic covers, their version of Live

1085
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,559
and Let Die, and they finally committed to a studio

1086
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:55,960
version of Knocking on Heaven's Door. That's great as well.

1087
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,760
So with everything going on around the band and the

1088
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,559
egos and and everything that was going on around Guns

1089
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:04,239
and Roses at the time, to me, it's a miracle

1090
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,159
that Us Your Illusion was even released, let alone to

1091
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:10,280
have as many incredible songs as it does on it. So,

1092
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,360
you know, again, while some people want to say, oh

1093
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,320
that's you know, it's too bloated. For me, it's definitely

1094
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,159
just ambitious, which is great. So for my ranking of

1095
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,639
the three albums in number three, I would put the

1096
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,280
Black Album number two. I would put User Illusion one,

1097
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,920
and then of the three, the one that comes in

1098
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,960
is the best for me is Use Your Illusion Too.

1099
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,400
I don't have anything against the Black Album at all,

1100
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:32,840
but I just think the User Illusion records are better

1101
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,679
overall because of their ambitious nature and the diversity of

1102
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,159
the tracks involved. For me, the biggest argument for User

1103
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,599
Illusion one comes from November Rain and then the rest

1104
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,239
of the record with tracks like Bad Apples, Don't Damn

1105
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,000
Me Coma, which is amazing. Some of the best lyrics

1106
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,559
Acxle ever wrote are on the complete outro to the

1107
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:54,039
song Coma. But User Illusion two has a lot of

1108
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,519
greatness spread throughout the album, rate from the first track

1109
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,280
on with Locomotive into Strange enough honestly to carry the

1110
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,880
victory for me of User Allusion to over Use Your

1111
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,440
Illusion one. Then you have stuff like fourteen years and

1112
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,679
Breakdown that just pad the lead in my opinion. And

1113
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,639
then on top of that, honestly, the alternate lyrics of

1114
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,079
Don't Cry that are found Unusual Allusion to are way

1115
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,400
better than the lyrics to Don't Cry Unusual Illusion one.

1116
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,679
So again, thanks for asking my opinion on the topic.

1117
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,039
This is Russ and the Effectouscrew podcast, and that's how

1118
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:25,480
I feel about the Black album and User Illusion one

1119
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:25,760
and two.

1120
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Not to take away from anybody else who's contributed, but

1121
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:31,639
what a great analysis that was, right. But I mean, hey,

1122
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:34,360
the guy's got his own music podcasts. Of course it's

1123
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,519
going to be a great analysis. I loved it. I

1124
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:37,360
loved what he had to say.

1125
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,079
Speaker 2: I mean, he nails it right. I mean, he's got

1126
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,639
several songs that he thinks were underrated, a couple of

1127
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:43,360
bloated ones, a couple of ones that need to go.

1128
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't like you and I.

1129
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:47,079
Speaker 2: You know, Russ nailed to right on the head.

1130
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean ambitious is the right word to use.

1131
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,920
I think he's so like he's hit the nail on

1132
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,199
the head. It is ambitious. I mean, not only do

1133
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,400
we have two full albums released at the same time,

1134
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,360
but both of those albums have nearly an average of

1135
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,400
fifteen songs each. Right, So that's impressive in and of itself.

1136
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,639
So it'll be interesting to see where you and I

1137
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,719
fall on Use Your Illusion one versus Use your Illusion

1138
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,119
to versus Black. But he's definitely given us some food

1139
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:11,519
for thought.

1140
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:14,119
Speaker 2: Russ, thank you very much. That's Russ at the Infectious

1141
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,360
Crews podcast. They have a great show over there. If

1142
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,239
you like music, they're a great place to go.

1143
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: Check them out. Yeah, do that, Go subscribe to those guests.

1144
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,480
All right, that does it for our user Illusion one episode.

1145
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:27,920
Come back next week we will dive into use your

1146
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,199
Illusion Part two.

1147
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:31,199
Speaker 2: Only fourteen songs on that one.

1148
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, whosh.

1149
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 7: This is an undertaking.

1150
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: That's what's tough.

1151
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:36,599
Speaker 1: All right, look forward to seeing you guys. Then, don't

1152
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,320
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1153
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,559
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1154
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,239
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1155
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,159
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1156
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,960
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1157
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,400
ass five dollars per month. Momaday.

1158
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah,