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<v Speaker 2>Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Roth Ki. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Vic. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure being here. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Ki,

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<v Speaker 2>please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Kirath. I've been born and raised in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa. My whole life moved around quite a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Currently I reside in a small holiday village called Pringle Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>which is on the east coast outside of Cape Town.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I've been living there for the past few years.

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<v Speaker 1>Made a good group of friends there. I lived there

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<v Speaker 1>with my dad and my stepmom and then my three

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<v Speaker 1>younger sisters. My mother unfortunately passed away in the year

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. But yeah, I can't complain much about where

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<v Speaker 1>I live. Fantastic place and it's the perfect combination of

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<v Speaker 1>having a social life but also being able to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the wilderness and be in nature. Then yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I matriculated from high school two years ago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not last year, the year before and then last year

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<v Speaker 1>I went to a gap year program in Zimbabwe where

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<v Speaker 1>I met one of my close friends whom you all

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<v Speaker 1>will share in a few minutes about. And yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much a brief bye on myself. I love nature.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a great bio. I'm wondering though, Kayle, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite thing about living in South Africa?

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<v Speaker 1>Me personally, I would say the culture and the vibes

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<v Speaker 1>with people. So obviously, everywhere you are in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be people that are root to you

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever the story may be, but specifically South Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you find the right people, you build

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<v Speaker 1>really really close friendships and bonds with these kinds of people,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where within a few weeks of knowing

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<v Speaker 1>these people, you feel like family already, and everyone's like inviting.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a very diverse culture. It's like you've got English,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got off a Count, You've got Closer, You've got Zulu,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got all these different cultures that merge together. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though they're different, like we all, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you say it. But we can all work together,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all live together, and we all bond together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like an amazing place. They're sure we'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to visit someday, but with my work schedule, good

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<v Speaker 2>luck on that. Don't see that happening. But that's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I can live vi curiously through other people, so I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it's not all that bad. Kai. From what I understand,

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<v Speaker 2>you were listening to the show for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>Free had your first encounter. How'd you find out about

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<v Speaker 2>the show though?

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I've been listening to your podcast since twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. The first one that I got on was

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<v Speaker 1>My big Foot Startings, and yeah, I suppose quite literally

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life. I remember it was about the age

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<v Speaker 1>of six or seven years old. I was watching on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's called Searching for Monsters or something along

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<v Speaker 1>those lines, and it's a documentary about these people that

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<v Speaker 1>travel to different countries and places like that, And at

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<v Speaker 1>first it scared me, and then a couple of years later,

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<v Speaker 1>once i'd grown up a beds, I think around the

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<v Speaker 1>age of twelve, I started to regain interest. And I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose you could say the unknown and the often looked

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<v Speaker 1>over what do I say topics that this world has

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<v Speaker 1>to offer, And so I kind of just went into

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<v Speaker 1>a big rabbit hole and searched the internet, went looking

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<v Speaker 1>for everything that I could find on bigfoot and dog

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<v Speaker 1>men and skin walkers. And then eventually I got a

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify account, and I was quite eager to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, because I found that listening to these things

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<v Speaker 1>helped me obtain them for a lot better. So I

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<v Speaker 1>looked up bigfoot bigfoot podcasts, and up came your My

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Sightings, and so from there it kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>took off. I'd looked at your profile, I saw you

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<v Speaker 1>had a few other channels up, and so I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening and bouncing between the few and just listening to

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<v Speaker 1>different podcasts, and every time you posted each week, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be there on the dot listening. But yoh, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>story of how I found you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Your podcast, Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>you knew about it and found it. And yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people who listened to dog Mean Encounters. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is the only podcast I produce, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I produce four, so that does keep me busy. You

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<v Speaker 2>told us a few things about Pringle Bay, just a

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<v Speaker 2>moment ago, that small village where you live, but please

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<v Speaker 2>tell us more about the place and the area around it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pringle Bay is about to give you perspective. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a few small towns villages close by. One is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit smaller and the others is a little bit bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>but they both within five minutes in each direction along

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<v Speaker 1>the coast, and then you're nearest bigger towns are about

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<v Speaker 1>an hour or so away. So it's not entirely secluded,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's secluded enough that you feel like you're still

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<v Speaker 1>in nature and you don't feel like you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>big city and everything's being built up and developed. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's the perfect place. I mean it sits

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<v Speaker 1>in this almost ball type thing where the mountains are

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<v Speaker 1>all around, and it's covered in what we call fame boss.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a local flora. And I mean the mountains are

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<v Speaker 1>like a thirty minute walk from the beach, so you

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<v Speaker 1>have this perfect combination of mountains if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go hiking and cycling and camping or whatever you enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then down to the beach you've got literally everything diving, surfing,

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<v Speaker 1>going out on boats, fish, whatever your heart desires. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for me, in terms of the natural aspect,

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<v Speaker 1>Pringle Bay is pretty perfect for me because I get

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy nature as well as still have a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of society around me and socialization and obviously make friends

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<v Speaker 1>of whom of which I've been friends for years now

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<v Speaker 1>and we've built some really close bonds and had some

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<v Speaker 1>amazing adventures out in the wilderness.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure does sound like a beautiful place. What kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous animals live around the town and how often do

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<v Speaker 2>they come into the town.

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<v Speaker 1>So, to be honest with you, we don't have many

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous animals. Our most dangerous would be obviously snakes because

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<v Speaker 1>the town is so in the wilderness and it's in

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<v Speaker 1>a biasphere, so there's a lot of building regulations and

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<v Speaker 1>also lots of things, and oftentimes people have to have

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<v Speaker 1>open fences, not walls, and so your most common dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>animal per se that side is snakes going in to

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<v Speaker 1>people's gardens, houses, whatever the story may be. And then

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<v Speaker 1>another problem that we have is the baboons. They will

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<v Speaker 1>rob people, they'll break into houses. They're literally the thieves

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<v Speaker 1>of our town. And then yeah, I would say that's

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I mean, obviously the ocean is universal for sharks,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I'd say those are the only three three

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<v Speaker 1>animals you'd really need to look out for in pringle Bao,

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<v Speaker 1>the snakes, baboons and sharks.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't have any alliance around.

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<v Speaker 1>Not where we are. Where we are, we quite it's

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<v Speaker 1>a different it's a different kind of biome and what

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<v Speaker 1>do you call it, ecosystem to what the larger animals

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<v Speaker 1>were thriving. So your elephants and your lions, and your

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<v Speaker 1>rhinos and your buffalo are more north and along the coasts,

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<v Speaker 1>but quite a ways up. To give you perspective of

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<v Speaker 1>the nearest place where you can go to see big

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<v Speaker 1>And in nature, you're going to have to drive about

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<v Speaker 1>something a game reserve where you can see them naturally.

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<v Speaker 1>So locally don't have any big game or anything dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a definite perk here. It's a beautiful village

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<v Speaker 2>with all this beautiful scenery around it, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about bumping into a line when you

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<v Speaker 2>step out the door. That makes it even better. Yet,

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<v Speaker 2>Sighting dot com. All right, Kyle, please tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes

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<v Speaker 1>My encounter started well, the first and only encounter I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever had, or should I say sighting, was back in

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<v Speaker 1>March of twenty twenty three, and we'd just moved into

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<v Speaker 1>Pringle Bay. We'd been there for just short of a year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd made a very good group of friends, one

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<v Speaker 1>of which named Marcus. He will remember that name. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>come in later on. But we were a very good

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<v Speaker 1>group of mates, and obviously being nineteen this year, so

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<v Speaker 1>we were probably like fourteen and fifteen, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>how to go to bars, So we would find other

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<v Speaker 1>ways to entertain ourselves, and that the main activity that

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<v Speaker 1>we did was walking in the streets at night. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there's no street lights, it's mostly gravel roads. But

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<v Speaker 1>the town Pringle Bay is so quiet and seclusive that

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<v Speaker 1>the concern of being robbed at night just isn't there,

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<v Speaker 1>or being endanger at night isn't there. So we would

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<v Speaker 1>go for walks at night until four o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning and we would just walk kilometers and talk and

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<v Speaker 1>go on the side adventures. And we'd been doing it

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much since I became friends with these guys off

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<v Speaker 1>the bat. And then fast forward about a year. One

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<v Speaker 1>week we went for a walk, and tradition would be

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<v Speaker 1>we'd do our walk wherever it may be, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we always off at the town square and then we

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<v Speaker 1>all say our goodbyes and we go our separate ways

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<v Speaker 1>towards our houses. And my house was about five minutes away.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to give a bit of layout on the road

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<v Speaker 1>and what my house actually looks like, So if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a bird's eye view to the north to the

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<v Speaker 1>top part of the house is the driveway with the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>and then running along the west boundary is a small

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<v Speaker 1>little pathway about a meter and a half wide, and

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<v Speaker 1>that little pathway alleyway, takes you to the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the house where the back porch is that opens up

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<v Speaker 1>into the garden, and then when you come into the

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<v Speaker 1>driveway on your left, you will have this open room

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<v Speaker 1>with glass panes instead of wall. And that was our

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<v Speaker 1>open plant study. And that's pretty much was our quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote front door. Now directly across the road from us

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<v Speaker 1>was a double empty plot, and there was a small

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<v Speaker 1>little animal pathway that ran from the back road and

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<v Speaker 1>connected the two roads together. So whenever i'd finish my

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<v Speaker 1>night walks, i would come from the circle and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>get onto the top road and I'd walk across the

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<v Speaker 1>te empty plots and end up on my road and

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<v Speaker 1>then literally just hop over the road to get to

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<v Speaker 1>my house. So this particular night, we'd all said goodbye,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd made plans to meet up again tomorrow, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>what the possibilities could have been, so I just put

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<v Speaker 1>look up, I just watched it. I was putting my feet,

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as I got to the gate, the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling went from like a five out of ten to

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<v Speaker 1>and I carried on having night walks throughout the week,

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<v Speaker 1>before we locked up the house for the night. And

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<v Speaker 1>the dog started barking to which wasn't an unusual It

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<v Speaker 1>her to bark at night. She box it almost everything,

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<v Speaker 1>so we never we didn't think much of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>go get your dog? So I grabbed the flashlights, the headlamp,

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<v Speaker 1>and I asked my sister if she wanted to come with,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we stepped outside. And by this time sun's

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<v Speaker 1>the drive where we walk across, and my dog is

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<v Speaker 1>in the far northeast corner of the house barking, and

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<v Speaker 1>for nine years and her recall is insane. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even need to say something. I can just make

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<v Speaker 1>a gesture with my hand and she knows. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the driveway, I was about seven meters

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<v Speaker 1>from her, between seven and ten meters, and I started

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<v Speaker 1>calling like, hey, Cara, come come, and she just ignored me,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was just going crazy. And at some points

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<v Speaker 1>I just paused and I thought to myself, like, she's

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<v Speaker 1>she's going a bit crazy right now. She's something's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>not okay. And so about often probably a minute of

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<v Speaker 1>me standing there shouting at her, I gave up and

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<v Speaker 1>I walked up to her and I grabbed her by

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<v Speaker 1>the collar. And the first thing I noticed when I

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed her by the collar was all the hair on

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<v Speaker 1>her neck felt fluffy. And so I looked down and

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<v Speaker 1>all the hair from the back of her head to

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<v Speaker 1>where her bone connects to her body, I mean her

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<v Speaker 1>tail connects to her body was just hair, all standing

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<v Speaker 1>up vertically. And that's when I paused to myself and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, I no, something is really off you. So,

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<v Speaker 1>without wanting to draw any attention again, she kept my

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<v Speaker 1>head down and I pulled her and walked back to

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<v Speaker 1>the driveway where my sister was standing waiting for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heard gravel crunching, so instinctively I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw what it first seemed to be a tall,

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<v Speaker 1>tall man with long gray hair wearing a white coat,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I assumed it was one of our old neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I agreeed to the person and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? How's your night? As I said hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the thought person was about twenty meters away on the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite side of the road, and they had just gotten

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<v Speaker 1>in line with the empty plot as I said hey,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just remember watching this person fall face first,

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<v Speaker 1>not like they pushed themselves or they jumped. It literally

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<v Speaker 1>just stopped in their track and fell forward and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>flinch an armed, did anything. And I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>about when they were about thirty sent to me about

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the ground, I just watched these two front

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<v Speaker 1>legs pop out and just grab it almost just before

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<v Speaker 1>it was about to hit the floor, and that just

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<v Speaker 1>shook me. I just froze as soon as I saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I was looking at this thing and I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to assess what is this I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to rationalize to myself. I was like, Okay, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>a leopard, and I'm looking at it and I'm but

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<v Speaker 1>it's pure white and it's got a short, fluffy tail.

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<v Speaker 1>And while I'm trying to analyze this, my sister notices

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm frozen, and she starts calling my name and

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<v Speaker 1>breaks my train of thought. But I'm still frozen, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's asking God, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I say

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<v Speaker 1>to her, do you see that over there? She comes

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<v Speaker 1>next to me and I can feel her putting her

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<v Speaker 1>head and shade like shifting it around next to me,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to see it. And she goes the white thing

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<v Speaker 1>and I said yes. She goes what is that? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, just go get that? And she starts freaking out.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister's prone to having panic attacks, and she's freaking out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to be stone with her because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a situation. I don't want her and I can

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<v Speaker 1>handle myself in it, I don't want my sister. I

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<v Speaker 1>start shouting it on Bella, just go get that. She

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<v Speaker 1>runs and she fetches my dad. Now I'm stuck there.

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<v Speaker 1>My dog's gone. I'm stuck there with this little cheapy flashlight,

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<v Speaker 1>and this dog man just posted up on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of this road, and we were just both frozen

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<v Speaker 1>in place, kind of assessing each other. And I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>grateful I had those five minutes to myself because it

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<v Speaker 1>gave me time to properly assess the details of what

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at from head to the tip of

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<v Speaker 1>the tail. And so I'll work you through it. The

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<v Speaker 1>first thing that caught my attention was the face. It

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<v Speaker 1>had black eyes, not sunken eyes. It it didn't look

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<v Speaker 1>like it was missing eyeballs. It definitely had eyeballs, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were black. I couldn't see any white. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it had this beautifully, almost perfectly circular shaped face with

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<v Speaker 1>these ears that came out on the top, but they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't they weren't as harshly pointed as like the Doberman

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<v Speaker 1>ears that a lot of people talk about. They were

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit curved at the top. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>saw little black nose and I couldn't see any details

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<v Speaker 1>on the teeth as the whole body was just white.

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<v Speaker 1>And so from there I kind of moved down and

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing that really caught my attention was the

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<v Speaker 1>size of this thing's main like it had this mass

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<v Speaker 1>of just fur from its from the back of its

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<v Speaker 1>head all the way down to its middle back, and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of disappeared along the lads a bit, so

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<v Speaker 1>by the lads where you would imagine the front leg

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<v Speaker 1>would rub a lot, it was more shorter hair, and

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<v Speaker 1>then underbelly as well, and then the long hair continued

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<v Speaker 1>till about just where the chest if a human was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down, like that where the chest would have ended.

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<v Speaker 1>But the main it was just I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how to describe it. It was just massive and luscious,

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<v Speaker 1>long white hair. And then onto the physique of this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The best way I can describe it is had that

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<v Speaker 1>big chest with a very small waist, classic of like

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<v Speaker 1>a greyhound. But the muscular definition on this animal was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing I've ever seen before in my life. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like if you took if you took a greyhound and

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<v Speaker 1>came it the muscle mass of a football and then

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<v Speaker 1>put it to the size of a great day, That's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much what I was looking at with a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a longer body. And so once I figured out

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<v Speaker 1>this physique, I started paying attention to the smaller details

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<v Speaker 1>like the feet and the tail. And one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>caught me was the front I want to call them

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<v Speaker 1>hands were like perfectly flush on the floor, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the thumb was like a place higher than where it

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<v Speaker 1>would be on our human hands. So if you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine your thumb on your hand, you could take it

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<v Speaker 1>off and put it a place higher. That's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>where this thing's quote thumbs were. And then as I

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<v Speaker 1>moved towards the back pause, it looked there was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of finger definition in the different toes, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still had the main part of the foot still

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<v Speaker 1>had that classic canine shaped to it where it was

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<v Speaker 1>like squarish or rectangular, and that that caught me off

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<v Speaker 1>god a little bit because I was expecting both to

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<v Speaker 1>look the same. And then the tail wasn't excessively long.

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<v Speaker 1>If I were to put it into a ratio with

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<v Speaker 1>the length of the of the actual creature, I would

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<v Speaker 1>put it at about a fifth the length of its body,

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<v Speaker 1>made up for about a fifth of its total length.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was bushy and yeah. So for about five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes I just stood there looking at this thing and

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<v Speaker 1>taking in everything, And after a while I started to

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<v Speaker 1>notice that it was frozen there, almost in a self

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<v Speaker 1>defensive way, like I'm looking at this thing and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assessing its body language and it's just completely still, but

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<v Speaker 1>it knows that I've seen it. So it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if though it was like a cat when they

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<v Speaker 1>turn their side to you and they lift their back.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just sat there assessing me. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was almost processing like if I do if I do this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to retaliate like that, or I do this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to respond like that. And so when I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of came to that confusion that it was in

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<v Speaker 1>defense of mode, I just kind of stood still. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't move fast, I didn't move at all, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just carried on taking it all in as much detail

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<v Speaker 1>as I possibly could. And then five minutes passed and

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<v Speaker 1>my dad came out that front door, out of the

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<v Speaker 1>open plan room. He came out and he's rushing. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, do

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<v Speaker 1>you see that over there? My dad? Unfortunately, my dad

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the best eyesight, so even during the day,

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<v Speaker 1>so he squints his eyes and he's like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. And so I tell him, do you not

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<v Speaker 1>have a light And he says, I'll switch the car on,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes inside, he gets the car keys, and he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back out and I hear him click the keys

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<v Speaker 1>into ignition, and as soon as he turns it and

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<v Speaker 1>the engine started, that thing was gone. It just booked

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<v Speaker 1>it down the double empty plot. And funny enough, my

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<v Speaker 1>friend and I, Marcus, we went back a few days

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<v Speaker 1>later to measure the length of the plot and I

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<v Speaker 1>gave an estimation for how quickly it covered it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was one hundred meters that it covered. To play

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<v Speaker 1>it safe, i'll say five seconds. Covered one hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>in five seconds. And once we'd actually done the math

420
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 1>behind it, that's what shocked me. It is like, not

421
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>only is this thing strong, but it is built for

422
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 1>speed and agility, because the way it moved on across

423
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 1>that land like it's marsh, It's literal. It was just

424
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 1>a sewage river there. And that's why I was empty,

425
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>because nobody wanted to buy it, and it was just

426
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>this horrible, sloppy, muddy land and this thing just almost

427
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 1>like it was flying over. It just booked it and

428
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 1>was gone. And so with that concluded, my dad finally

429
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.799
<v Speaker 1>got the car swung around, but he unfortunately missed it

430
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and so he twitched off the car and he came

431
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to me and he's like, what did you see? And

432
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I briefly described him. I said, I saw this white

433
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>thing there. I don't know what it is, because at

434
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the time I'm still like, even though I've taken time

435
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to scan what it is, I don't quite know how

436
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 1>to just pop it up on my dad and be like, yeah,

437
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I just saw a dog man. And so I just

438
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>explained to him, and he's like, okay, okay, just like,

439
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>don't tell any of your sisters. We don't want to

440
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 1>freak them out. And so we go back inside, we

441
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>lock up the house, dogs inside, and I go to bed.

442
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>But now, to give you a layout of the house,

443
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 1>my room window connects to the open plan study area.

444
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>That's the quote front door. So if you're outside and

445
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 1>the curtains are open for both windows, you can see

446
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>into my room and I can see to that, I

447
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 1>can see onto the driveway. And so at about eleven

448
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>o'clock that night, I decided, Okay, I'm gonna put my

449
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>phone down and I'm going to hit that and I

450
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty much at first I fell asleep with my back

451
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>facing the window, and then I heard this this tap

452
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.759
<v Speaker 1>on the outside window by the open plant thing, and

453
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>it was like a and it was just two and

454
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>then it paused for ten seconds, and then I heard

455
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and it did that for about five to ten minutes.

456
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 1>As I was hearing this thing, I just slowly turned

457
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 1>around and I couldn't see anything through my window because

458
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>it was two curtains. The one that's in the study

459
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 1>was quite a see through one, and then my one

460
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 1>was a blackout curtain, so no matter where you are,

461
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to see any shadows or anything through there.

462
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 1>So now I'm laying there and I'm facing my window

463
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and I can hear this. And after about i'll call

464
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 1>it ten minutes, it went from two taps to and

465
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 1>then it would pause for ten seconds, and then it

466
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 1>would do three taps, pause for ten seconds. And at

467
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>first I was petrified. I was just thinking to myself,

468
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the last thing I want to do is hear that

469
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>on my actual window. It's going, and I was going

470
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 1>and I was going, and it just didn't stop for

471
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>an hour, and eventually I just my younger self, I

472
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 1>thought I could take this thing on and I was

473
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>not getting annoyed, and I thought, okay, well, just a

474
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>little creature out just have a look and see what's happening.

475
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>And it's probably the one, the one of the biggest

476
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:13.039
<v Speaker 1>mistakes I ended up making with this thing, because I

477
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:18.599
<v Speaker 1>threw my curtains open and I looked outside and I

478
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>just saw this, this shadow and was standing oh at

479
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>least two and a half meters tall, and there was,

480
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>if you can picture, its right hand was up on

481
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>the window, and I saw the finger out and the

482
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 1>size of this thing. The thing that scared me most

483
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.759
<v Speaker 1>was just the size of this thing's hand, Like if

484
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 1>you had to take an eighty four piece of paper,

485
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>this thing's hand would pretty much cover the entire paper.

486
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>And when I saw that, I just I literally lost

487
00:31:55.279 --> 00:32:00.119
<v Speaker 1>my breath, paused for a second, and then the sound

488
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 1>of me throwing the curtain open just stopped it. And

489
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it almost froze there with its finger just barely touching

490
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the glass. And I froze for a few seconds, and eventually,

491
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what I managed to snap out

492
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of it, and I ran to my parents' room and

493
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I woke my dad up, and I was like, hey, hey, hey,

494
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:28.039
<v Speaker 1>something outside. We ran out and wasn't there, and so

495
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 1>we went back inside. We put the alarm on and

496
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have anything from that night on. And then yeah,

497
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>for a few weeks after that. I mean, I obviously

498
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>told my friend Marcus and another friend whose name I'm

499
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 1>going to keep confidential. His name will call him Dale.

500
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I told Marcus and Dale about these experience, this encounter

501
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 1>that I had, and at that time, these guys were excited.

502
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 1>They're like, Okay, there's something here, There's something for us

503
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 1>to explore, something exciting. And so from that night on

504
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 1>we went for night walks every single night in the

505
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 1>hopes of seeing this thing again. And every night, instead

506
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.799
<v Speaker 1>of just me having the feeling of being watched, it

507
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 1>had now passed on to these two guys, and they

508
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>would feel like they were being watched. Whether we were

509
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>in a group or by ourselves, we were at nights

510
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>specifically constantly feeling like we were being watched. And so

511
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>fast forward about a week and a half of the

512
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>mind counter my friend Marcus. So let me backtrack there

513
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>for a few weeks just before I'd had mind Counter, myself,

514
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Marcus and Dale we decided we're going to go on

515
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a little exploit adventure and we're going to explore the place.

516
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And we ended up coming across this massive empty plot

517
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>of land that was directly across the road from the

518
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>fire station and had these two big white pillars, had

519
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.199
<v Speaker 1>this lurnal trail that went into what we call the forest,

520
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's probably a bunch of thin trees with very

521
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>little branches and these on them, but they grow densely

522
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>together and they grow about four meters and high three

523
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to four meters, and in between that is reeds and

524
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>thick bushes and leavy bushes. And so we discovered this place,

525
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>and how it works is you go past the white

526
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>pillars and there's about fifty meters of open grass, quite overgrown,

527
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's still open. You walk down and then you

528
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>go around this big bush that grows over the pathway,

529
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and as soon as you come around that bush, it's

530
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 1>just this heavy, heavy wavers be watched again. And we've

531
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>taken groups of people there. We've never told them about

532
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:13.159
<v Speaker 1>the context behind this place, and they'll walk in there

533
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and everyone will have the same reaction. Their hair will raise,

534
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're just on high alert. And so you walk

535
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:26.800
<v Speaker 1>through that part for about six hundred meters and you

536
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>come out and you go onto this open soundtrack where

537
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>it's properly open. It's sand with small bushes, and then

538
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>if you keep left, you eventually end up on the

539
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 1>soundtrack and you turn off, and then there's another forest,

540
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>like a proper forest, this time with the eucalyptus trees growing,

541
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and you drop down into this river bed where it's

542
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.400
<v Speaker 1>just rock and there's a little stream that flows through there.

543
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 1>So it's in our past four again. A week and

544
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a half after my accountant, my friend Marcus decided he's

545
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>going to go for a walk and he's going to

546
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>go to that little stream because at the time we were

547
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 1>building a little fort and he just wanted to check

548
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the place out and see how it was doing and

549
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>all these wonderful things. So he got through the forest, okay,

550
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>went into the sandtrack, dropped down into the river, and

551
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 1>as soon as he hit the stones, he heard what

552
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 1>sounded like water splashing off to his right, and he

553
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 1>saw this big white foam sitting on the stream, which

554
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't unusual. If you walk twenty meters up the stream,

555
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 1>there's that foam everywhere. So he assumed, okay, the water's

556
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>flashing and it's causing that foam, and he turned around

557
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and took a few steps, and then he heard something

558
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 1>rise out of the waters like droplets, and he looked

559
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:08.039
<v Speaker 1>and he watched the foam slowly your eyes and rose

560
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 1>to he said, at least two and a half meters,

561
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:13.360
<v Speaker 1>And he said it stood there for a second or

562
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:18.639
<v Speaker 1>two and then it just casually walked upstream and disappeared.

563
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>And now was the last he saw it. And this thing,

564
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 1>this creature, scared Marcus so bad that he wasn't going

565
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>to take any risks. He decided to take his knife

566
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 1>out and backtracked the whole eight hundred meters up the

567
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>river bank through the thick bush, and he did not

568
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>turn his back. He had his knife in his hands,

569
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>he was facing the direction of the stream, and he

570
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>just backed out of there. And so, yeah, Marcus very

571
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>shortly afterwards told me about his but his encounter, I'm

572
00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure it was that same day. And then yeah,

573
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, we didn't have anything for about a

574
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 1>month or so, and unfortunately, during that period of a month,

575
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 1>one of the guys in our group, his mother unfortunately

576
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>passed away, and so we all went and had this

577
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 1>celebratory memorial like I don't know what you would call it,

578
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>dinner at one of the low at one of the

579
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:32.159
<v Speaker 1>nearby villages towards the west, and it was five minutes away,

580
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>so we quickly drove down there. And we have what's

581
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.679
<v Speaker 1>it's our regional road, the Affully four, and it runs

582
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>past the entrance of Pringle Bay and runs almost through

583
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the small little town and then goes towards the big cities.

584
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>And so that night, this restaurant was right on the

585
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>edge of that road, so we decided, you know it,

586
00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.119
<v Speaker 1>at this time of night, this section of the road

587
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 1>is extremely we're gonna go for a night walk. So

588
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it was myself, Marcus, two other guys, and then one

589
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 1>guy I'm not gonna mention his name, but i'll call

590
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:19.119
<v Speaker 1>him Dale. Five of us made our way down and

591
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 1>we started walking down because the road dropped down across

592
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 1>a lagoon and then goes up the mountain again. So

593
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 1>we went walked down to this bridge, and the whole

594
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>time we're walking there, we're all feeling a bit off,

595
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>except for Dale. And one thing listeners need to know

596
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>about Dale. He is a very adrenaline seeking guy. He

597
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 1>really like. He would watch horror movies whenever he pleased

598
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 1>to have scary they were. He'd watch the scariest horror

599
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>movies and not not even jump once throughout the movie.

600
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a horror movie fanatics, so I never understood it.

601
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>But he was always he was always seeking to go

602
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that little step further to really put himself in that

603
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>situation where he was scared for a few seconds, just

604
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>so he could experience it. And so anyways, we were

605
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>all walking and the group of us all together like, ah,

606
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>what was that? And Dale is just ahead of us

607
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 1>on his own little mission leading us. And so eventually

608
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>we come down to the bridge and we stopped them,

609
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and we're all talking and chatting, and Dale's off about

610
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>ten meters up the road and I'm talking. In the

611
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>next minute, everyone just runs And at first I thought

612
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone was pranking me. So I'm running behind them barefoot,

613
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>laughing like ah, yeah, guys, is so funny. And after

614
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>about I would call it ten seconds of these guys running,

615
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Eventually I clocked and I realized these guys aren't joking.

616
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>They are genuinely running away from something. And I don't

617
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 1>think I have ever reached the speed by foot that

618
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>quickly in my life. I just flew and I caught

619
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 1>up to everyone, and I took overtook the last two

620
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>guys and I was gone, and eventually we just ran

621
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>ran for probably a minute, and we get to the

622
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 1>entrance of the restaurant and everyone stops, and everyone's breathing, puffing, panting,

623
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's asking each other like, why did you run

624
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 1>no Iran? Because Marcus ran Iran? Because I thought you

625
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>said something, and everyone's just confused. And I looked off

626
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>to the side and Dale is sitting at this table

627
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and he's got his hands in his head. And one

628
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 1>thing you need to know about this guy is he

629
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>is not an emotional guy, to say the least. He

630
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>hardly ever sheds a tear. He doesn't really communicate about

631
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>his emotions. He's a very tough guy, I suppose you

632
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 1>could say, when it comes to emotions, he doesn't like

633
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to express them too heavily. And we're like, hey, dude,

634
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>are you're good? And he looks up at us and

635
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:28.239
<v Speaker 1>there's just tears running down his eyes and I remember

636
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>seeing that, and that's when I like, I just didn't

637
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>even know how to react because I was like, this

638
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>guy who's supposed to be the bravest one out of

639
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 1>all of us is sitting here with his hands and

640
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>his heads, crying like what did you see? So we

641
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 1>all ask him like, what did you see? What did

642
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you see? And pretty much what happened to him was

643
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>when he was on his little excursion by himself, you

644
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>heard what sounded like if you take your nails and

645
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you dragged them against the tow. He heard that just

646
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>coming at him with speed, and then it stopped about

647
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 1>four or five meters, and with the little moonlight that

648
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>was there, he could barely make out this face with

649
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 1>circular face, no ears, black eyes, and just he could

650
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 1>see it was baring its teeth at him. And he

651
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.599
<v Speaker 1>said when he saw it, because when he was finally

652
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 1>able to see it, it was instant, because he had

653
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>to adjust for a second and use the moonlight to

654
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 1>see it. And when he finally saw it was just

655
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>a split second, like it was there. It wasn't like

656
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>over time the image came to him. It was the

657
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>thing was right there, and he booked it and he

658
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 1>ran and he didn't stop until we got back to light.

659
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 1>And that's pretty much what he told us that he

660
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 1>saw and encountered, and on that night on he slowly

661
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 1>but surely started going on night walks with us less

662
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and less and then started distancing himself from us. And

663
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>now it's it's come to the point where your best

664
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 1>your best bets to get a hold of this guy

665
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>is to physically walk to his house and communicate with

666
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>him because he doesn't have social media, he barely answers

667
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 1>his phone, and he's really just to reclude. I don't know,

668
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 1>like he's kind of retreated to himself and now is

669
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 1>seeking shouter in himself for multiple reasons. But I think

670
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the starting of it would have been this encounter, and

671
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 1>so after that we really didn't have anything for a

672
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 1>long time, not a long long time, and then far

673
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.159
<v Speaker 1>forward to last year August. So last year, as I

674
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 1>mentioned early on, I was at a appier program in

675
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Zimbabwe and I met one of my best mates at

676
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the moment. His name is Angus mclaggan. Absolute legend of

677
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 1>a man. He's farmers, so he's quite tough. He doesn't

678
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 1>share his emotions a lot and isn't scared of a

679
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of things. He generally seeks the adrenaline rush, similar

680
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to Dale, but a lot more intensely, like he really

681
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 1>puts himself out there and whether it be a stupid thing,

682
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 1>whether it be a smart thing. He's always just trying

683
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 1>to put himself out there to get as much of

684
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>the adrenaline rush as possible. And so during our time

685
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.039
<v Speaker 1>at quest, I built a very close bond with this man,

686
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and eventually we got to the point where we were

687
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 1>free to open up to each other about anything. And

688
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>so eventually I opened up to him about my encounter,

689
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and I opened up to him about that forest that

690
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned early on, which we came up with a

691
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 1>nickname of skin walk of Forest, purely because of the

692
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 1>feeling that you get when you walk in there. It

693
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>feels like there's something there that shouldn't be there. And

694
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>so I told him all these stories, and as soon

695
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 1>as I was down, the first thing he said to

696
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>me is you need to take me there, And I said,

697
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>I refuse, and quite literally, it took us about half

698
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>an hour of going back and forth, and eventually we

699
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>came to a handshake deal and it was said that

700
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I was going to take him to Skinwalker Forest when

701
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the time came. While the time came in August that

702
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>he came to my house for the first time, and

703
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 1>it was about his second or his third night here,

704
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 1>and we had decided okay, we're going to take this guy.

705
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.800
<v Speaker 1>But I wasn't entirely confident on going by myself with him.

706
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 1>So we went to Marcus's house, and when Marcus heard

707
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 1>what we were trying to do, he was he just

708
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.400
<v Speaker 1>looked at me like we were crazy people. Looked at

709
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 1>us like we were crazy people. And I stood there

710
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and I was in one hundred percent agreement with and

711
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like, dude, I do not want to do this.

712
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:10.199
<v Speaker 1>But I made a deal. And so Marcus kind of

713
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>just grabs his brother, his friend's younger brother, and like,

714
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>here you could take him. And the younger brother's name

715
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 1>is Carlin. We asked Colin, do you want to come

716
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 1>with and he's like, Josh shall come with you guys.

717
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>And so we bought him with more more the intention

718
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 1>of having a sacrifice rather than a third person. And

719
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:36.559
<v Speaker 1>so we get to this to the pillars, and everyone's

720
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of now the nerves are up, senses are getting heightened,

721
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 1>and Angus decided he's going to take the lead. He

722
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.320
<v Speaker 1>takes the lead. I'm behind him with the phone lights.

723
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>He's in the front with a knife, and Colin's at

724
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 1>the back again for sacrifice or for beck. So we're

725
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 1>carrying out walking and as soon as we come around

726
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that bush, Angus just freezes and he's like, you were

727
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.559
<v Speaker 1>not lying, And I'd laughed at him and I said,

728
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what did I tell you? This place is not a joke.

729
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, we can still go back. No, no,

730
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 1>he wants to go forward, So we pursue on forward

731
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>we go. And how the how the over the growth

732
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.039
<v Speaker 1>of this place works is you have about ten meters

733
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 1>where you can walk freely and there's no bushes growing over,

734
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden you'll hit this wall

735
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of bushes and it's about three to five meters wide,

736
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and you've got to wind and twist through these bushes,

737
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 1>under the leaves, pass the thorns, and come through on

738
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the other end. And then you've got another ten meters

739
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of freeway. And every time we came up to one

740
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of those thick I'm going to call them walls of bushes,

741
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.239
<v Speaker 1>I would tell the boys stop, which she lights. They're quiet,

742
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>don't move, And we would always, always, every single and

743
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>there's about six of them that you walk past. Every

744
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>single time we would hear something walking just on the

745
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 1>other side of these bushes and just out of the

746
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>reach of our lights. I mean, at one point I

747
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 1>put the phone light on it and we saw the

748
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>bush flick from whatever it brushed it, but we didn't

749
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>see what brushed it. And now we're walking and we're

750
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>pushing through. About halfway through, Angus stops and he's like,

751
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>do you guys hear that? And I said no, and

752
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Colic goes, no, what are you talking about? And Angus

753
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:37.840
<v Speaker 1>at that point made it obvious that there was no sound.

754
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.199
<v Speaker 1>There was no wind, there was no frogs, there was

755
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>no birds, there was nothing. And there's a stream that

756
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 1>flows and I cannot emphasize this enough right next to

757
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 1>the park, like if you step to the right, you

758
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 1>fall into the stream. So there should have been frogs

759
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>going to say the least, not a single chirp, not anything.

760
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 1>So we push on and come out on the soundtrack,

761
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and Angus is now like, come, I want to go

762
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to that river, and I said, ah, this is where

763
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I draw the line. So eventually, after me standing my ground,

764
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>we turn around and we go back in and we

765
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 1>make it through. We get out the other side and

766
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:23.320
<v Speaker 1>myself in Collins sprint and Angus is walking. He comes

767
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 1>up to us and he's like, well that was quite uneventful,

768
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 1>and so he asks us, well, what more can I

769
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>do to get a better experience? And so me and

770
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Coleb kind of looked at each other and we're trying

771
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to think, and we're like, okay, one thing that we

772
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 1>never do is we never talk into the dark, and

773
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 1>we never whistle into the dark. And Angus, being the

774
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 1>very smart lad that he is, decides he's going to

775
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Speaker 1>stand there and whistle into the darkness. And so he

776
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 1>starts whistling and whistling, and he's standing right there by

777
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.159
<v Speaker 1>these white pillars. He's whistling, and eventually he against the

778
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.199
<v Speaker 1>courage to leave the pillars and he walks about five

779
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>meters past, whistles, whistles ten meters fifteen meters. Eventually he

780
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>gets to about twenty five to thirty meters away from

781
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 1>these pillars. Now he's standing if me, if myself and

782
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>callar by looking at him. He's looking to our left

783
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 1>and the road that we need to run down is

784
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 1>on the left. He's in front of us face on

785
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the left, and to our right, which is behind him,

786
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>is this massive bush, thick bush that is almost it

787
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>connects to the forest, but barely. And he's sitting there

788
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's whistling, and he's whistling, and the next minute

789
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>he just like I heard this slight, slight sound of

790
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>what I could assume was a thud, and I just

791
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.480
<v Speaker 1>see angers fall down and he stands up and he shouts,

792
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 1>but he shouts from the back of his throat like

793
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.760
<v Speaker 1>a genuine survival scream, not that I'm scared scream, like

794
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a this is survival. And when I heard that come

795
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:13.199
<v Speaker 1>out of him, I swear I saul left my body

796
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>because I've never heard the guy shout like that, and

797
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been made to him for a year. We've been

798
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 1>in the African bush, We've been out at night with

799
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 1>lions and elephants, and I have never heard that guy

800
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 1>scream like that before. And he screamed like that, I

801
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 1>knew something had happened. So we book it and we

802
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 1>run down the road myself in colar bar It. We

803
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 1>start off probably one hundred meters in front of him,

804
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:43.639
<v Speaker 1>werein twelve seconds, he's passed us. He's really scared, so

805
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 1>he runs and myself would call us start waving him down,

806
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>like hey, what happened? And he comes up to us

807
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, did you not hear that, and I

808
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, I think I did, but I don't know what.

809
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 1>And he said it sounded like something had hit the

810
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.119
<v Speaker 1>ground or like punched the ground or stump the ground

811
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 1>right behind where he was, and he said he just

812
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 1>lost it and he ran. And so now we're all

813
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.760
<v Speaker 1>through standing there like okay, cool, we got to get back.

814
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as we say that, Angus checks his

815
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 1>pockets and his phone's not there. So now we have

816
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>to go back and he has to get his phone.

817
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, myself and calemb again we were scarty cats,

818
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and we stayed on the road and we let him

819
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>walk off to get his phone by himself. Came back

820
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and we started making our way back home. Now, on

821
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>our way back home, Carlub about one hundred meters down

822
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the road, points out to the right and he's like, Angus,

823
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>do you want to look for something? As goes y'ah,

824
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so get you get your headlamp and scan this area

825
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>that has a view of the whole forest. Cool. Angus

826
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>jumps up there. He gets his high power to headlamp,

827
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 1>scanning left to right and left to right. Now a

828
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of context about this man. He's been hunting for

829
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>ten years he's shot well over three or four hundred animals.

830
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 1>He's hunted at night. He knows what different animals are

831
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 1>shines look like, so he's very experienced when it comes

832
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to knowing animals and what signs their show. So he's

833
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:26.480
<v Speaker 1>not scanning, scanning, And I'm standing on the road and

834
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I watched him scan and he pauses directly in front

835
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 1>of him, and from his view, he's scanning over marshland

836
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and then there's thick bush on the other bank of

837
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the marshland, and he scanned, and as soon as he

838
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 1>hit this one major bush on his left hand side

839
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of the bush, there was a head that was poking

840
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>out and it was he said, reflecting forward slash emitting

841
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 1>this weird. He hasn't been able to describe it to me,

842
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 1>but this this unnatural tone of yellow and it was

843
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>just a pale, skinless, i mean furless, hairless face with

844
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 1>these yellow reflecting eyes just staring at him from the

845
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 1>behind this bush. And when he saw that, he shouted

846
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:21.079
<v Speaker 1>again at that same shout that I heard, and we

847
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 1>all just booked it and we ran and we ran

848
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and we ran, and we probably ran around eight hundred meters,

849
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>just didn't stop. Went, went, went, went, and then eventually

850
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>we stopped and we've still got a long way to

851
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 1>my house. So we decided, okay, we're going to play

852
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>it safe. We're just gonna walk. And the whole walk

853
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>back home, myself, Angus and Carlom we were verbalizing to

854
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 1>each other, communicating to each other about the strength of

855
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 1>this feeling that something is right behind us, to the

856
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:56.199
<v Speaker 1>point where it feels like it's it's posed of physically

857
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>touching our heels and its chest is up on our back.

858
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And whenever we would start talking about it, we'd count

859
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 1>down and we'd swing around and we look and there

860
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>was nothing there, and we'd Karen walking in about five

861
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>seconds later be right back there, and it was it

862
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.119
<v Speaker 1>was just such an intense feeling that all of us

863
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 1>were freaking out and we're trying to stay calm, but

864
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 1>you can see on the other person's face it's like

865
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 1>this is not okay. And eventually we we didn't even

866
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.519
<v Speaker 1>bother dropping Carlo buff we said, you can walk home.

867
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Your house is right there, and we're going to walk home.

868
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 1>And we walked home, and that was us, that was

869
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:41.199
<v Speaker 1>us for the Knights, and yeah, that's that's pretty much

870
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 1>all the encounters and stories that I have from bringle.

871
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Bat, well, those are quite a few encounters. One encounter

872
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is more than enough. You've really been into it neck deep.

873
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have, and unfortunately I feel like I dragged

874
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>my mates into it. But I suppose that's that's what

875
00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they're for.

876
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you have had an experience, I guess it

877
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 2>is better to have people with you in. Listening to

878
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.760
<v Speaker 2>you describe how your mates are, sounds like they're pretty

879
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>much up for a challenge and that's what you gave them,

880
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 2>so hopefully them will hold that against you or anything.

881
00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Although it sounds to me like Marcus isn't doing all

882
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 2>that well. Well, I'm sorry. Dale. Sounds to me like

883
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Dale's not doing all that well.

884
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dale's so Dale's not doing all that well. And

885
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I found out, actually quite recently, that it's not just

886
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:40.519
<v Speaker 1>the event that happened that that caused him to distance himself.

887
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 1>It was a few other things as well as him

888
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 1>being quite strong in his religion and disagreeing with a

889
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 1>few of the aspects that we were doing. And obviously

890
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.639
<v Speaker 1>one of them was going out and looking for these

891
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 1>these unknown things that in his mind shouldn't be meddled

892
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 1>with they should just be left alone, and so combination

893
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:06.920
<v Speaker 1>of things. But one of the reasonings was that night

894
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and just disagreement of those kind of those kind of beings.

895
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:12.679
<v Speaker 1>If I can say that.

896
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds to me like he's convinced that what

897
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 2>he saw was a spiritual creature, a supernatural being. What

898
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 2>do you think. Do you think white Man is a

899
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:26.000
<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood creature or do you think he's supernatural

900
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 2>as well?

901
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Again, I've I've only I've only seen it seen white

902
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Man once, so I can't really go off much. But

903
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>my guess would have to be that it's it's a

904
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood because the between myself and Dale, our

905
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>encounters were quite quite key characteristics of a lot of

906
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 1>predatory animals. So when Dale had his encounter, it almost

907
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:58.480
<v Speaker 1>seemed like a bit of a mock charge and it

908
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 1>came at him and then stopped in front of him,

909
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:04.639
<v Speaker 1>And my encounter was like it was sitting there defensively watching,

910
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>waiting for him to do something. I feel like had

911
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it have been a spiritual thing, there would have been

912
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot a lot more evil intent behind it. I

913
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like with Dale's thing, it would have chased him

914
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 1>and possibly like done something physically to him, or less

915
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 1>so physically, would have followed him home that night or

916
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>something to that effect. But that was the only encounter

917
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that he had. And just yeah, I suppose if it

918
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>was a spiritual thing, again, it would have been everywhere,

919
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't. It was only ever outside that we

920
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 1>had these kind of things, and it was only ever

921
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 1>in places where it had scape routes. So in my

922
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 1>mind I personally believed that it was a flesh and

923
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>blood creature.

924
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's understandable why you might think that, and you

925
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.760
<v Speaker 2>could very easily be right about that. That's one of

926
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.199
<v Speaker 2>the things about this little dog mean topic. There are

927
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:00.599
<v Speaker 2>so many people who are convinced that they have to

928
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 2>be flesh and blood, and you've got quite a few

929
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 2>people also, on the other hand, do they swear up

930
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and down with their supernatural beings. My opinion on the

931
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:10.920
<v Speaker 2>matter is you might have both. You might have some

932
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 2>dogmen over here they are flesh and blood creatures and

933
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 2>other dog men are supernatural beings. But that's one of

934
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.639
<v Speaker 2>those things that all we can do is just debate

935
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.960
<v Speaker 2>about it. That's all we can do. But having said that,

936
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I've got a ton of questions for you, A Kai,

937
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 2>would you be interested in coming back to do a

938
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.079
<v Speaker 2>part two A Q and A.

939
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I would love to.

940
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh great, Well, what we'll do is we'll just set

941
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that up and get that scheduled in. We'll do that

942
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Q and A then, but until then, thanks again so

943
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 2>much for coming on to tell us about these experiences,

944
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 2>and I hope you have a great night.

945
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 1>An English
