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Speaker 2: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Kyle
Speaker 2: Roth Ki. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure being here. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Ki,
Speaker 2: please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: My name is Kirath. I've been born and raised in
Speaker 1: South Africa. My whole life moved around quite a lot.
Speaker 1: Currently I reside in a small holiday village called Pringle Bay,
Speaker 1: which is on the east coast outside of Cape Town.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've been living there for the past few years.
Speaker 1: Made a good group of friends there. I lived there
Speaker 1: with my dad and my stepmom and then my three
Speaker 1: younger sisters. My mother unfortunately passed away in the year
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But yeah, I can't complain much about where
Speaker 1: I live. Fantastic place and it's the perfect combination of
Speaker 1: having a social life but also being able to be
Speaker 1: in the wilderness and be in nature. Then yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I matriculated from high school two years ago. It's
Speaker 1: not last year, the year before and then last year
Speaker 1: I went to a gap year program in Zimbabwe where
Speaker 1: I met one of my close friends whom you all
Speaker 1: will share in a few minutes about. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: pretty much a brief bye on myself. I love nature.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else does that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great bio. I'm wondering though, Kayle, what's
Speaker 2: your favorite thing about living in South Africa?
Speaker 1: Me personally, I would say the culture and the vibes
Speaker 1: with people. So obviously, everywhere you are in the world,
Speaker 1: there's going to be people that are root to you
Speaker 1: and whatever the story may be, but specifically South Africa.
Speaker 1: If you if you find the right people, you build
Speaker 1: really really close friendships and bonds with these kinds of people,
Speaker 1: to the point where within a few weeks of knowing
Speaker 1: these people, you feel like family already, and everyone's like inviting.
Speaker 1: And it's a very diverse culture. It's like you've got English,
Speaker 1: you've got off a Count, You've got Closer, You've got Zulu,
Speaker 1: You've got all these different cultures that merge together. And
Speaker 1: even though they're different, like we all, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you say it. But we can all work together,
Speaker 1: and we all live together, and we all bond together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like an amazing place. They're sure we'd
Speaker 2: like to visit someday, but with my work schedule, good
Speaker 2: luck on that. Don't see that happening. But that's all right.
Speaker 2: I can live vi curiously through other people, so I
Speaker 2: guess it's not all that bad. Kai. From what I understand,
Speaker 2: you were listening to the show for a long time,
Speaker 2: Free had your first encounter. How'd you find out about
Speaker 2: the show though?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I've been listening to your podcast since twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. The first one that I got on was
Speaker 1: My big Foot Startings, and yeah, I suppose quite literally
Speaker 1: my whole life. I remember it was about the age
Speaker 1: of six or seven years old. I was watching on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I think it's called Searching for Monsters or something along
Speaker 1: those lines, and it's a documentary about these people that
Speaker 1: travel to different countries and places like that, And at
Speaker 1: first it scared me, and then a couple of years later,
Speaker 1: once i'd grown up a beds, I think around the
Speaker 1: age of twelve, I started to regain interest. And I
Speaker 1: suppose you could say the unknown and the often looked
Speaker 1: over what do I say topics that this world has
Speaker 1: to offer, And so I kind of just went into
Speaker 1: a big rabbit hole and searched the internet, went looking
Speaker 1: for everything that I could find on bigfoot and dog
Speaker 1: men and skin walkers. And then eventually I got a
Speaker 1: Spotify account, and I was quite eager to listen to
Speaker 1: a podcast, because I found that listening to these things
Speaker 1: helped me obtain them for a lot better. So I
Speaker 1: looked up bigfoot bigfoot podcasts, and up came your My
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Sightings, and so from there it kind of just
Speaker 1: took off. I'd looked at your profile, I saw you
Speaker 1: had a few other channels up, and so I was
Speaker 1: listening and bouncing between the few and just listening to
Speaker 1: different podcasts, and every time you posted each week, I'd
Speaker 1: be there on the dot listening. But yoh, that's a
Speaker 1: story of how I found you all.
Speaker 2: Your podcast, Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad
Speaker 2: you knew about it and found it. And yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot of people who listened to dog Mean Encounters. I
Speaker 2: think this is the only podcast I produce, but no,
Speaker 2: I produce four, so that does keep me busy. You
Speaker 2: told us a few things about Pringle Bay, just a
Speaker 2: moment ago, that small village where you live, but please
Speaker 2: tell us more about the place and the area around it.
Speaker 1: So Pringle Bay is about to give you perspective. There's
Speaker 1: a few small towns villages close by. One is a
Speaker 1: little bit smaller and the others is a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: but they both within five minutes in each direction along
Speaker 1: the coast, and then you're nearest bigger towns are about
Speaker 1: an hour or so away. So it's not entirely secluded,
Speaker 1: but it's secluded enough that you feel like you're still
Speaker 1: in nature and you don't feel like you're in a
Speaker 1: big city and everything's being built up and developed. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the perfect place. I mean it sits
Speaker 1: in this almost ball type thing where the mountains are
Speaker 1: all around, and it's covered in what we call fame boss.
Speaker 1: It's a local flora. And I mean the mountains are
Speaker 1: like a thirty minute walk from the beach, so you
Speaker 1: have this perfect combination of mountains if you want to
Speaker 1: go hiking and cycling and camping or whatever you enjoy.
Speaker 1: And then down to the beach you've got literally everything diving, surfing,
Speaker 1: going out on boats, fish, whatever your heart desires. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, in terms of the natural aspect,
Speaker 1: Pringle Bay is pretty perfect for me because I get
Speaker 1: to enjoy nature as well as still have a sense
Speaker 1: of society around me and socialization and obviously make friends
Speaker 1: of whom of which I've been friends for years now
Speaker 1: and we've built some really close bonds and had some
Speaker 1: amazing adventures out in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: Sure does sound like a beautiful place. What kinds of
Speaker 2: dangerous animals live around the town and how often do
Speaker 2: they come into the town.
Speaker 1: So, to be honest with you, we don't have many
Speaker 1: dangerous animals. Our most dangerous would be obviously snakes because
Speaker 1: the town is so in the wilderness and it's in
Speaker 1: a biasphere, so there's a lot of building regulations and
Speaker 1: also lots of things, and oftentimes people have to have
Speaker 1: open fences, not walls, and so your most common dangerous
Speaker 1: animal per se that side is snakes going in to
Speaker 1: people's gardens, houses, whatever the story may be. And then
Speaker 1: another problem that we have is the baboons. They will
Speaker 1: rob people, they'll break into houses. They're literally the thieves
Speaker 1: of our town. And then yeah, I would say that's
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, obviously the ocean is universal for sharks,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'd say those are the only three three
Speaker 1: animals you'd really need to look out for in pringle Bao,
Speaker 1: the snakes, baboons and sharks.
Speaker 2: So you don't have any alliance around.
Speaker 1: Not where we are. Where we are, we quite it's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different kind of biome and what
Speaker 1: do you call it, ecosystem to what the larger animals
Speaker 1: were thriving. So your elephants and your lions, and your
Speaker 1: rhinos and your buffalo are more north and along the coasts,
Speaker 1: but quite a ways up. To give you perspective of
Speaker 1: the nearest place where you can go to see big
Speaker 1: cats is about a two and a half to three
Speaker 1: hour drive east along the coast towards this big cat sanctuary.
Speaker 1: And in nature, you're going to have to drive about
Speaker 1: four hours into the center of South Africa to find
Speaker 1: something a game reserve where you can see them naturally.
Speaker 1: So locally don't have any big game or anything dangerous
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a definite perk here. It's a beautiful village
Speaker 2: with all this beautiful scenery around it, and you don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about bumping into a line when you
Speaker 2: step out the door. That makes it even better. Yet,
Speaker 2: if you've had a dog mean encounter that you need
Speaker 2: help dealing with, or if you'd like to be a
Speaker 2: guest on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com
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Speaker 2: Sighting dot com. All right, Kyle, please tell us about
Speaker 2: your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes
Speaker 2: to mind.
Speaker 1: My encounter started well, the first and only encounter I've
Speaker 1: ever had, or should I say sighting, was back in
Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty three, and we'd just moved into
Speaker 1: Pringle Bay. We'd been there for just short of a year,
Speaker 1: and I'd made a very good group of friends, one
Speaker 1: of which named Marcus. He will remember that name. He'll
Speaker 1: come in later on. But we were a very good
Speaker 1: group of mates, and obviously being nineteen this year, so
Speaker 1: we were probably like fourteen and fifteen, and you know
Speaker 1: how to go to bars, So we would find other
Speaker 1: ways to entertain ourselves, and that the main activity that
Speaker 1: we did was walking in the streets at night. I
Speaker 1: mean there's no street lights, it's mostly gravel roads. But
Speaker 1: the town Pringle Bay is so quiet and seclusive that
Speaker 1: the concern of being robbed at night just isn't there,
Speaker 1: or being endanger at night isn't there. So we would
Speaker 1: go for walks at night until four o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning and we would just walk kilometers and talk and
Speaker 1: go on the side adventures. And we'd been doing it
Speaker 1: pretty much since I became friends with these guys off
Speaker 1: the bat. And then fast forward about a year. One
Speaker 1: week we went for a walk, and tradition would be
Speaker 1: we'd do our walk wherever it may be, and then
Speaker 1: we always off at the town square and then we
Speaker 1: all say our goodbyes and we go our separate ways
Speaker 1: towards our houses. And my house was about five minutes away.
Speaker 1: Now to give a bit of layout on the road
Speaker 1: and what my house actually looks like, So if you've
Speaker 1: got a bird's eye view to the north to the
Speaker 1: top part of the house is the driveway with the gate,
Speaker 1: and then running along the west boundary is a small
Speaker 1: little pathway about a meter and a half wide, and
Speaker 1: that little pathway alleyway, takes you to the back of
Speaker 1: the house where the back porch is that opens up
Speaker 1: into the garden, and then when you come into the
Speaker 1: driveway on your left, you will have this open room
Speaker 1: with glass panes instead of wall. And that was our
Speaker 1: open plant study. And that's pretty much was our quote
Speaker 1: unquote front door. Now directly across the road from us
Speaker 1: was a double empty plot, and there was a small
Speaker 1: little animal pathway that ran from the back road and
Speaker 1: connected the two roads together. So whenever i'd finish my
Speaker 1: night walks, i would come from the circle and I'd
Speaker 1: get onto the top road and I'd walk across the
Speaker 1: te empty plots and end up on my road and
Speaker 1: then literally just hop over the road to get to
Speaker 1: my house. So this particular night, we'd all said goodbye,
Speaker 1: we'd made plans to meet up again tomorrow, and I'd
Speaker 1: walked and I'd just gotten to the double plot. And
Speaker 1: as soon as I've turned and stepped onto the double plot,
Speaker 1: I just felt this like this blanket, this wave of
Speaker 1: this feeling of something watching me very very intently, to
Speaker 1: the point where the the hair on the back of
Speaker 1: my neck rose, and I even recalled looking at my
Speaker 1: arm and seem like my arm was just chicken skin,
Speaker 1: or my hair was all raised. And I paused for
Speaker 1: a second, and I thought something obviously seemed very off.
Speaker 1: But I'm generally quite a skittish person, so I didn't
Speaker 1: want to sit there and play over in my head
Speaker 1: what the possibilities could have been, so I just put
Speaker 1: my head down and I carried on walking. I didn't
Speaker 1: look up, I just watched it. I was putting my feet,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as I hit over the road
Speaker 1: and to my gate, we had a manual gate, so
Speaker 1: I had to pull the thing open and pull it closed.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I got to the gate, the
Speaker 1: feeling went from like a five out of ten to
Speaker 1: an eight or nine. So at that point I turned
Speaker 1: and I had my body facing the road in the
Speaker 1: empty plot, and I had my back facing the house,
Speaker 1: and I just put my hands down my back. I
Speaker 1: opened the gate, it closed, it walked inside, and that
Speaker 1: was me for the night. Now we carried my friends
Speaker 1: and I carried on having night walks throughout the week,
Speaker 1: and each time i'd walk over the plot, the feeling
Speaker 1: would get more and more and more intense. And then
Speaker 1: about a week a week and a half after I
Speaker 1: had that first feeling of walking through the plot. It
Speaker 1: was about eight o'clock at night, closer to nine, and
Speaker 1: I was sitting in my room and my dad was
Speaker 1: sitting in the lounge, and my sister, my elder sister,
Speaker 1: was in her room, and my dad had let my
Speaker 1: dog out so that she could go do her business
Speaker 1: before we locked up the house for the night. And
Speaker 1: the dog started barking to which wasn't an unusual It
Speaker 1: wasn't an a usual event. It was quite normal for
Speaker 1: her to bark at night. She box it almost everything,
Speaker 1: so we never we didn't think much of it. So
Speaker 1: my dad just called me and he said, can you
Speaker 1: go get your dog? So I grabbed the flashlights, the headlamp,
Speaker 1: and I asked my sister if she wanted to come with,
Speaker 1: and so we stepped outside. And by this time sun's
Speaker 1: long set. It's pitch dark, and I've got this dim,
Speaker 1: little cheap headlamp, and we walk on that alleyway on
Speaker 1: the west hand side of the property. We jump onto
Speaker 1: the drive where we walk across, and my dog is
Speaker 1: in the far northeast corner of the house barking, and
Speaker 1: my dog's part bought a colin I've been training her
Speaker 1: for nine years and her recall is insane. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't even need to say something. I can just make
Speaker 1: a gesture with my hand and she knows. And when
Speaker 1: I got to the driveway, I was about seven meters
Speaker 1: from her, between seven and ten meters, and I started
Speaker 1: calling like, hey, Cara, come come, and she just ignored me,
Speaker 1: and she was just going crazy. And at some points
Speaker 1: I just paused and I thought to myself, like, she's
Speaker 1: she's going a bit crazy right now. She's something's definitely
Speaker 1: not okay. And so about often probably a minute of
Speaker 1: me standing there shouting at her, I gave up and
Speaker 1: I walked up to her and I grabbed her by
Speaker 1: the collar. And the first thing I noticed when I
Speaker 1: grabbed her by the collar was all the hair on
Speaker 1: her neck felt fluffy. And so I looked down and
Speaker 1: all the hair from the back of her head to
Speaker 1: where her bone connects to her body, I mean her
Speaker 1: tail connects to her body was just hair, all standing
Speaker 1: up vertically. And that's when I paused to myself and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I no, something is really off you. So,
Speaker 1: without wanting to draw any attention again, she kept my
Speaker 1: head down and I pulled her and walked back to
Speaker 1: the driveway where my sister was standing waiting for us,
Speaker 1: and I heard gravel crunching, so instinctively I looked up
Speaker 1: and I saw what it first seemed to be a tall,
Speaker 1: tall man with long gray hair wearing a white coat,
Speaker 1: and so I assumed it was one of our old neighbors.
Speaker 1: And so I agreeed to the person and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: how are you? How's your night? As I said hey,
Speaker 1: the thought person was about twenty meters away on the
Speaker 1: opposite side of the road, and they had just gotten
Speaker 1: in line with the empty plot as I said hey,
Speaker 1: And I just remember watching this person fall face first,
Speaker 1: not like they pushed themselves or they jumped. It literally
Speaker 1: just stopped in their track and fell forward and didn't
Speaker 1: flinch an armed, did anything. And I want to say
Speaker 1: about when they were about thirty sent to me about
Speaker 1: to hit the ground, I just watched these two front
Speaker 1: legs pop out and just grab it almost just before
Speaker 1: it was about to hit the floor, and that just
Speaker 1: shook me. I just froze as soon as I saw that.
Speaker 1: I just I was looking at this thing and I
Speaker 1: was trying to assess what is this I was trying
Speaker 1: to rationalize to myself. I was like, Okay, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a leopard, and I'm looking at it and I'm but
Speaker 1: it's pure white and it's got a short, fluffy tail.
Speaker 1: And while I'm trying to analyze this, my sister notices
Speaker 1: that I'm frozen, and she starts calling my name and
Speaker 1: breaks my train of thought. But I'm still frozen, and
Speaker 1: she's asking God, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I say
Speaker 1: to her, do you see that over there? She comes
Speaker 1: next to me and I can feel her putting her
Speaker 1: head and shade like shifting it around next to me,
Speaker 1: trying to see it. And she goes the white thing
Speaker 1: and I said yes. She goes what is that? And
Speaker 1: I said, just go get that? And she starts freaking out.
Speaker 1: My sister's prone to having panic attacks, and she's freaking out,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to be stone with her because this
Speaker 1: is a situation. I don't want her and I can
Speaker 1: handle myself in it, I don't want my sister. I
Speaker 1: start shouting it on Bella, just go get that. She
Speaker 1: runs and she fetches my dad. Now I'm stuck there.
Speaker 1: My dog's gone. I'm stuck there with this little cheapy flashlight,
Speaker 1: and this dog man just posted up on the other
Speaker 1: side of this road, and we were just both frozen
Speaker 1: in place, kind of assessing each other. And I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful I had those five minutes to myself because it
Speaker 1: gave me time to properly assess the details of what
Speaker 1: I was looking at from head to the tip of
Speaker 1: the tail. And so I'll work you through it. The
Speaker 1: first thing that caught my attention was the face. It
Speaker 1: had black eyes, not sunken eyes. It it didn't look
Speaker 1: like it was missing eyeballs. It definitely had eyeballs, but
Speaker 1: they were black. I couldn't see any white. And then
Speaker 1: it had this beautifully, almost perfectly circular shaped face with
Speaker 1: these ears that came out on the top, but they
Speaker 1: weren't they weren't as harshly pointed as like the Doberman
Speaker 1: ears that a lot of people talk about. They were
Speaker 1: a little bit curved at the top. And then I
Speaker 1: saw little black nose and I couldn't see any details
Speaker 1: on the teeth as the whole body was just white.
Speaker 1: And so from there I kind of moved down and
Speaker 1: the next thing that really caught my attention was the
Speaker 1: size of this thing's main like it had this mass
Speaker 1: of just fur from its from the back of its
Speaker 1: head all the way down to its middle back, and
Speaker 1: it kind of disappeared along the lads a bit, so
Speaker 1: by the lads where you would imagine the front leg
Speaker 1: would rub a lot, it was more shorter hair, and
Speaker 1: then underbelly as well, and then the long hair continued
Speaker 1: till about just where the chest if a human was
Speaker 1: sitting down, like that where the chest would have ended.
Speaker 1: But the main it was just I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to describe it. It was just massive and luscious,
Speaker 1: long white hair. And then onto the physique of this thing.
Speaker 1: The best way I can describe it is had that
Speaker 1: big chest with a very small waist, classic of like
Speaker 1: a greyhound. But the muscular definition on this animal was
Speaker 1: nothing I've ever seen before in my life. It was
Speaker 1: like if you took if you took a greyhound and
Speaker 1: came it the muscle mass of a football and then
Speaker 1: put it to the size of a great day, That's
Speaker 1: pretty much what I was looking at with a bit
Speaker 1: of a longer body. And so once I figured out
Speaker 1: this physique, I started paying attention to the smaller details
Speaker 1: like the feet and the tail. And one thing that
Speaker 1: caught me was the front I want to call them
Speaker 1: hands were like perfectly flush on the floor, and then
Speaker 1: the thumb was like a place higher than where it
Speaker 1: would be on our human hands. So if you can
Speaker 1: imagine your thumb on your hand, you could take it
Speaker 1: off and put it a place higher. That's pretty much
Speaker 1: where this thing's quote thumbs were. And then as I
Speaker 1: moved towards the back pause, it looked there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of finger definition in the different toes, but
Speaker 1: it still had the main part of the foot still
Speaker 1: had that classic canine shaped to it where it was
Speaker 1: like squarish or rectangular, and that that caught me off
Speaker 1: god a little bit because I was expecting both to
Speaker 1: look the same. And then the tail wasn't excessively long.
Speaker 1: If I were to put it into a ratio with
Speaker 1: the length of the of the actual creature, I would
Speaker 1: put it at about a fifth the length of its body,
Speaker 1: made up for about a fifth of its total length.
Speaker 1: And it was bushy and yeah. So for about five
Speaker 1: minutes I just stood there looking at this thing and
Speaker 1: taking in everything, And after a while I started to
Speaker 1: notice that it was frozen there, almost in a self
Speaker 1: defensive way, like I'm looking at this thing and I'm
Speaker 1: assessing its body language and it's just completely still, but
Speaker 1: it knows that I've seen it. So it was almost
Speaker 1: as if though it was like a cat when they
Speaker 1: turn their side to you and they lift their back.
Speaker 1: It was just sat there assessing me. I think it
Speaker 1: was almost processing like if I do if I do this,
Speaker 1: it's going to retaliate like that, or I do this
Speaker 1: is going to respond like that. And so when I
Speaker 1: kind of came to that confusion that it was in
Speaker 1: defense of mode, I just kind of stood still. I
Speaker 1: didn't move fast, I didn't move at all, and I
Speaker 1: just carried on taking it all in as much detail
Speaker 1: as I possibly could. And then five minutes passed and
Speaker 1: my dad came out that front door, out of the
Speaker 1: open plan room. He came out and he's rushing. He's like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you see that over there? My dad? Unfortunately, my dad
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best eyesight, so even during the day,
Speaker 1: so he squints his eyes and he's like, I can't
Speaker 1: see it. And so I tell him, do you not
Speaker 1: have a light And he says, I'll switch the car on,
Speaker 1: he goes inside, he gets the car keys, and he
Speaker 1: comes back out and I hear him click the keys
Speaker 1: into ignition, and as soon as he turns it and
Speaker 1: the engine started, that thing was gone. It just booked
Speaker 1: it down the double empty plot. And funny enough, my
Speaker 1: friend and I, Marcus, we went back a few days
Speaker 1: later to measure the length of the plot and I
Speaker 1: gave an estimation for how quickly it covered it, and
Speaker 1: it was one hundred meters that it covered. To play
Speaker 1: it safe, i'll say five seconds. Covered one hundred meters
Speaker 1: in five seconds. And once we'd actually done the math
Speaker 1: behind it, that's what shocked me. It is like, not
Speaker 1: only is this thing strong, but it is built for
Speaker 1: speed and agility, because the way it moved on across
Speaker 1: that land like it's marsh, It's literal. It was just
Speaker 1: a sewage river there. And that's why I was empty,
Speaker 1: because nobody wanted to buy it, and it was just
Speaker 1: this horrible, sloppy, muddy land and this thing just almost
Speaker 1: like it was flying over. It just booked it and
Speaker 1: was gone. And so with that concluded, my dad finally
Speaker 1: got the car swung around, but he unfortunately missed it
Speaker 1: and so he twitched off the car and he came
Speaker 1: to me and he's like, what did you see? And
Speaker 1: I briefly described him. I said, I saw this white
Speaker 1: thing there. I don't know what it is, because at
Speaker 1: the time I'm still like, even though I've taken time
Speaker 1: to scan what it is, I don't quite know how
Speaker 1: to just pop it up on my dad and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just saw a dog man. And so I just
Speaker 1: explained to him, and he's like, okay, okay, just like,
Speaker 1: don't tell any of your sisters. We don't want to
Speaker 1: freak them out. And so we go back inside, we
Speaker 1: lock up the house, dogs inside, and I go to bed.
Speaker 1: But now, to give you a layout of the house,
Speaker 1: my room window connects to the open plan study area.
Speaker 1: That's the quote front door. So if you're outside and
Speaker 1: the curtains are open for both windows, you can see
Speaker 1: into my room and I can see to that, I
Speaker 1: can see onto the driveway. And so at about eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock that night, I decided, Okay, I'm gonna put my
Speaker 1: phone down and I'm going to hit that and I
Speaker 1: pretty much at first I fell asleep with my back
Speaker 1: facing the window, and then I heard this this tap
Speaker 1: on the outside window by the open plant thing, and
Speaker 1: it was like a and it was just two and
Speaker 1: then it paused for ten seconds, and then I heard
Speaker 1: and it did that for about five to ten minutes.
Speaker 1: As I was hearing this thing, I just slowly turned
Speaker 1: around and I couldn't see anything through my window because
Speaker 1: it was two curtains. The one that's in the study
Speaker 1: was quite a see through one, and then my one
Speaker 1: was a blackout curtain, so no matter where you are,
Speaker 1: you're not going to see any shadows or anything through there.
Speaker 1: So now I'm laying there and I'm facing my window
Speaker 1: and I can hear this. And after about i'll call
Speaker 1: it ten minutes, it went from two taps to and
Speaker 1: then it would pause for ten seconds, and then it
Speaker 1: would do three taps, pause for ten seconds. And at
Speaker 1: first I was petrified. I was just thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is hear that
Speaker 1: on my actual window. It's going, and I was going
Speaker 1: and I was going, and it just didn't stop for
Speaker 1: an hour, and eventually I just my younger self, I
Speaker 1: thought I could take this thing on and I was
Speaker 1: not getting annoyed, and I thought, okay, well, just a
Speaker 1: little creature out just have a look and see what's happening.
Speaker 1: And it's probably the one, the one of the biggest
Speaker 1: mistakes I ended up making with this thing, because I
Speaker 1: threw my curtains open and I looked outside and I
Speaker 1: just saw this, this shadow and was standing oh at
Speaker 1: least two and a half meters tall, and there was,
Speaker 1: if you can picture, its right hand was up on
Speaker 1: the window, and I saw the finger out and the
Speaker 1: size of this thing. The thing that scared me most
Speaker 1: was just the size of this thing's hand, Like if
Speaker 1: you had to take an eighty four piece of paper,
Speaker 1: this thing's hand would pretty much cover the entire paper.
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, I just I literally lost
Speaker 1: my breath, paused for a second, and then the sound
Speaker 1: of me throwing the curtain open just stopped it. And
Speaker 1: it almost froze there with its finger just barely touching
Speaker 1: the glass. And I froze for a few seconds, and eventually,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I managed to snap out
Speaker 1: of it, and I ran to my parents' room and
Speaker 1: I woke my dad up, and I was like, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: something outside. We ran out and wasn't there, and so
Speaker 1: we went back inside. We put the alarm on and
Speaker 1: we didn't have anything from that night on. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: for a few weeks after that. I mean, I obviously
Speaker 1: told my friend Marcus and another friend whose name I'm
Speaker 1: going to keep confidential. His name will call him Dale.
Speaker 1: I told Marcus and Dale about these experience, this encounter
Speaker 1: that I had, and at that time, these guys were excited.
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, there's something here, There's something for us
Speaker 1: to explore, something exciting. And so from that night on
Speaker 1: we went for night walks every single night in the
Speaker 1: hopes of seeing this thing again. And every night, instead
Speaker 1: of just me having the feeling of being watched, it
Speaker 1: had now passed on to these two guys, and they
Speaker 1: would feel like they were being watched. Whether we were
Speaker 1: in a group or by ourselves, we were at nights
Speaker 1: specifically constantly feeling like we were being watched. And so
Speaker 1: fast forward about a week and a half of the
Speaker 1: mind counter my friend Marcus. So let me backtrack there
Speaker 1: for a few weeks just before I'd had mind Counter, myself,
Speaker 1: Marcus and Dale we decided we're going to go on
Speaker 1: a little exploit adventure and we're going to explore the place.
Speaker 1: And we ended up coming across this massive empty plot
Speaker 1: of land that was directly across the road from the
Speaker 1: fire station and had these two big white pillars, had
Speaker 1: this lurnal trail that went into what we call the forest,
Speaker 1: but it's probably a bunch of thin trees with very
Speaker 1: little branches and these on them, but they grow densely
Speaker 1: together and they grow about four meters and high three
Speaker 1: to four meters, and in between that is reeds and
Speaker 1: thick bushes and leavy bushes. And so we discovered this place,
Speaker 1: and how it works is you go past the white
Speaker 1: pillars and there's about fifty meters of open grass, quite overgrown,
Speaker 1: but it's still open. You walk down and then you
Speaker 1: go around this big bush that grows over the pathway,
Speaker 1: and as soon as you come around that bush, it's
Speaker 1: just this heavy, heavy wavers be watched again. And we've
Speaker 1: taken groups of people there. We've never told them about
Speaker 1: the context behind this place, and they'll walk in there
Speaker 1: and everyone will have the same reaction. Their hair will raise,
Speaker 1: and you're just on high alert. And so you walk
Speaker 1: through that part for about six hundred meters and you
Speaker 1: come out and you go onto this open soundtrack where
Speaker 1: it's properly open. It's sand with small bushes, and then
Speaker 1: if you keep left, you eventually end up on the
Speaker 1: soundtrack and you turn off, and then there's another forest,
Speaker 1: like a proper forest, this time with the eucalyptus trees growing,
Speaker 1: and you drop down into this river bed where it's
Speaker 1: just rock and there's a little stream that flows through there.
Speaker 1: So it's in our past four again. A week and
Speaker 1: a half after my accountant, my friend Marcus decided he's
Speaker 1: going to go for a walk and he's going to
Speaker 1: go to that little stream because at the time we were
Speaker 1: building a little fort and he just wanted to check
Speaker 1: the place out and see how it was doing and
Speaker 1: all these wonderful things. So he got through the forest, okay,
Speaker 1: went into the sandtrack, dropped down into the river, and
Speaker 1: as soon as he hit the stones, he heard what
Speaker 1: sounded like water splashing off to his right, and he
Speaker 1: saw this big white foam sitting on the stream, which
Speaker 1: wasn't unusual. If you walk twenty meters up the stream,
Speaker 1: there's that foam everywhere. So he assumed, okay, the water's
Speaker 1: flashing and it's causing that foam, and he turned around
Speaker 1: and took a few steps, and then he heard something
Speaker 1: rise out of the waters like droplets, and he looked
Speaker 1: and he watched the foam slowly your eyes and rose
Speaker 1: to he said, at least two and a half meters,
Speaker 1: And he said it stood there for a second or
Speaker 1: two and then it just casually walked upstream and disappeared.
Speaker 1: And now was the last he saw it. And this thing,
Speaker 1: this creature, scared Marcus so bad that he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to take any risks. He decided to take his knife
Speaker 1: out and backtracked the whole eight hundred meters up the
Speaker 1: river bank through the thick bush, and he did not
Speaker 1: turn his back. He had his knife in his hands,
Speaker 1: he was facing the direction of the stream, and he
Speaker 1: just backed out of there. And so, yeah, Marcus very
Speaker 1: shortly afterwards told me about his but his encounter, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was that same day. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, we didn't have anything for about a
Speaker 1: month or so, and unfortunately, during that period of a month,
Speaker 1: one of the guys in our group, his mother unfortunately
Speaker 1: passed away, and so we all went and had this
Speaker 1: celebratory memorial like I don't know what you would call it,
Speaker 1: dinner at one of the low at one of the
Speaker 1: nearby villages towards the west, and it was five minutes away,
Speaker 1: so we quickly drove down there. And we have what's
Speaker 1: it's our regional road, the Affully four, and it runs
Speaker 1: past the entrance of Pringle Bay and runs almost through
Speaker 1: the small little town and then goes towards the big cities.
Speaker 1: And so that night, this restaurant was right on the
Speaker 1: edge of that road, so we decided, you know it,
Speaker 1: at this time of night, this section of the road
Speaker 1: is extremely we're gonna go for a night walk. So
Speaker 1: it was myself, Marcus, two other guys, and then one
Speaker 1: guy I'm not gonna mention his name, but i'll call
Speaker 1: him Dale. Five of us made our way down and
Speaker 1: we started walking down because the road dropped down across
Speaker 1: a lagoon and then goes up the mountain again. So
Speaker 1: we went walked down to this bridge, and the whole
Speaker 1: time we're walking there, we're all feeling a bit off,
Speaker 1: except for Dale. And one thing listeners need to know
Speaker 1: about Dale. He is a very adrenaline seeking guy. He
Speaker 1: really like. He would watch horror movies whenever he pleased
Speaker 1: to have scary they were. He'd watch the scariest horror
Speaker 1: movies and not not even jump once throughout the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not a horror movie fanatics, so I never understood it.
Speaker 1: But he was always he was always seeking to go
Speaker 1: that little step further to really put himself in that
Speaker 1: situation where he was scared for a few seconds, just
Speaker 1: so he could experience it. And so anyways, we were
Speaker 1: all walking and the group of us all together like, ah,
Speaker 1: what was that? And Dale is just ahead of us
Speaker 1: on his own little mission leading us. And so eventually
Speaker 1: we come down to the bridge and we stopped them,
Speaker 1: and we're all talking and chatting, and Dale's off about
Speaker 1: ten meters up the road and I'm talking. In the
Speaker 1: next minute, everyone just runs And at first I thought
Speaker 1: everyone was pranking me. So I'm running behind them barefoot,
Speaker 1: laughing like ah, yeah, guys, is so funny. And after
Speaker 1: about I would call it ten seconds of these guys running,
Speaker 1: Eventually I clocked and I realized these guys aren't joking.
Speaker 1: They are genuinely running away from something. And I don't
Speaker 1: think I have ever reached the speed by foot that
Speaker 1: quickly in my life. I just flew and I caught
Speaker 1: up to everyone, and I took overtook the last two
Speaker 1: guys and I was gone, and eventually we just ran
Speaker 1: ran for probably a minute, and we get to the
Speaker 1: entrance of the restaurant and everyone stops, and everyone's breathing, puffing, panting,
Speaker 1: and everyone's asking each other like, why did you run
Speaker 1: no Iran? Because Marcus ran Iran? Because I thought you
Speaker 1: said something, and everyone's just confused. And I looked off
Speaker 1: to the side and Dale is sitting at this table
Speaker 1: and he's got his hands in his head. And one
Speaker 1: thing you need to know about this guy is he
Speaker 1: is not an emotional guy, to say the least. He
Speaker 1: hardly ever sheds a tear. He doesn't really communicate about
Speaker 1: his emotions. He's a very tough guy, I suppose you
Speaker 1: could say, when it comes to emotions, he doesn't like
Speaker 1: to express them too heavily. And we're like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: are you're good? And he looks up at us and
Speaker 1: there's just tears running down his eyes and I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that, and that's when I like, I just didn't
Speaker 1: even know how to react because I was like, this
Speaker 1: guy who's supposed to be the bravest one out of
Speaker 1: all of us is sitting here with his hands and
Speaker 1: his heads, crying like what did you see? So we
Speaker 1: all ask him like, what did you see? What did
Speaker 1: you see? And pretty much what happened to him was
Speaker 1: when he was on his little excursion by himself, you
Speaker 1: heard what sounded like if you take your nails and
Speaker 1: you dragged them against the tow. He heard that just
Speaker 1: coming at him with speed, and then it stopped about
Speaker 1: four or five meters, and with the little moonlight that
Speaker 1: was there, he could barely make out this face with
Speaker 1: circular face, no ears, black eyes, and just he could
Speaker 1: see it was baring its teeth at him. And he
Speaker 1: said when he saw it, because when he was finally
Speaker 1: able to see it, it was instant, because he had
Speaker 1: to adjust for a second and use the moonlight to
Speaker 1: see it. And when he finally saw it was just
Speaker 1: a split second, like it was there. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: over time the image came to him. It was the
Speaker 1: thing was right there, and he booked it and he
Speaker 1: ran and he didn't stop until we got back to light.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much what he told us that he
Speaker 1: saw and encountered, and on that night on he slowly
Speaker 1: but surely started going on night walks with us less
Speaker 1: and less and then started distancing himself from us. And
Speaker 1: now it's it's come to the point where your best
Speaker 1: your best bets to get a hold of this guy
Speaker 1: is to physically walk to his house and communicate with
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't have social media, he barely answers
Speaker 1: his phone, and he's really just to reclude. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like he's kind of retreated to himself and now is
Speaker 1: seeking shouter in himself for multiple reasons. But I think
Speaker 1: the starting of it would have been this encounter, and
Speaker 1: so after that we really didn't have anything for a
Speaker 1: long time, not a long long time, and then far
Speaker 1: forward to last year August. So last year, as I
Speaker 1: mentioned early on, I was at a appier program in
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe and I met one of my best mates at
Speaker 1: the moment. His name is Angus mclaggan. Absolute legend of
Speaker 1: a man. He's farmers, so he's quite tough. He doesn't
Speaker 1: share his emotions a lot and isn't scared of a
Speaker 1: lot of things. He generally seeks the adrenaline rush, similar
Speaker 1: to Dale, but a lot more intensely, like he really
Speaker 1: puts himself out there and whether it be a stupid thing,
Speaker 1: whether it be a smart thing. He's always just trying
Speaker 1: to put himself out there to get as much of
Speaker 1: the adrenaline rush as possible. And so during our time
Speaker 1: at quest, I built a very close bond with this man,
Speaker 1: and eventually we got to the point where we were
Speaker 1: free to open up to each other about anything. And
Speaker 1: so eventually I opened up to him about my encounter,
Speaker 1: and I opened up to him about that forest that
Speaker 1: I mentioned early on, which we came up with a
Speaker 1: nickname of skin walk of Forest, purely because of the
Speaker 1: feeling that you get when you walk in there. It
Speaker 1: feels like there's something there that shouldn't be there. And
Speaker 1: so I told him all these stories, and as soon
Speaker 1: as I was down, the first thing he said to
Speaker 1: me is you need to take me there, And I said,
Speaker 1: I refuse, and quite literally, it took us about half
Speaker 1: an hour of going back and forth, and eventually we
Speaker 1: came to a handshake deal and it was said that
Speaker 1: I was going to take him to Skinwalker Forest when
Speaker 1: the time came. While the time came in August that
Speaker 1: he came to my house for the first time, and
Speaker 1: it was about his second or his third night here,
Speaker 1: and we had decided okay, we're going to take this guy.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't entirely confident on going by myself with him.
Speaker 1: So we went to Marcus's house, and when Marcus heard
Speaker 1: what we were trying to do, he was he just
Speaker 1: looked at me like we were crazy people. Looked at
Speaker 1: us like we were crazy people. And I stood there
Speaker 1: and I was in one hundred percent agreement with and
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I do not want to do this.
Speaker 1: But I made a deal. And so Marcus kind of
Speaker 1: just grabs his brother, his friend's younger brother, and like,
Speaker 1: here you could take him. And the younger brother's name
Speaker 1: is Carlin. We asked Colin, do you want to come
Speaker 1: with and he's like, Josh shall come with you guys.
Speaker 1: And so we bought him with more more the intention
Speaker 1: of having a sacrifice rather than a third person. And
Speaker 1: so we get to this to the pillars, and everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of now the nerves are up, senses are getting heightened,
Speaker 1: and Angus decided he's going to take the lead. He
Speaker 1: takes the lead. I'm behind him with the phone lights.
Speaker 1: He's in the front with a knife, and Colin's at
Speaker 1: the back again for sacrifice or for beck. So we're
Speaker 1: carrying out walking and as soon as we come around
Speaker 1: that bush, Angus just freezes and he's like, you were
Speaker 1: not lying, And I'd laughed at him and I said,
Speaker 1: what did I tell you? This place is not a joke.
Speaker 1: And I was like, we can still go back. No, no,
Speaker 1: he wants to go forward, So we pursue on forward
Speaker 1: we go. And how the how the over the growth
Speaker 1: of this place works is you have about ten meters
Speaker 1: where you can walk freely and there's no bushes growing over,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you'll hit this wall
Speaker 1: of bushes and it's about three to five meters wide,
Speaker 1: and you've got to wind and twist through these bushes,
Speaker 1: under the leaves, pass the thorns, and come through on
Speaker 1: the other end. And then you've got another ten meters
Speaker 1: of freeway. And every time we came up to one
Speaker 1: of those thick I'm going to call them walls of bushes,
Speaker 1: I would tell the boys stop, which she lights. They're quiet,
Speaker 1: don't move, And we would always, always, every single and
Speaker 1: there's about six of them that you walk past. Every
Speaker 1: single time we would hear something walking just on the
Speaker 1: other side of these bushes and just out of the
Speaker 1: reach of our lights. I mean, at one point I
Speaker 1: put the phone light on it and we saw the
Speaker 1: bush flick from whatever it brushed it, but we didn't
Speaker 1: see what brushed it. And now we're walking and we're
Speaker 1: pushing through. About halfway through, Angus stops and he's like,
Speaker 1: do you guys hear that? And I said no, and
Speaker 1: Colic goes, no, what are you talking about? And Angus
Speaker 1: at that point made it obvious that there was no sound.
Speaker 1: There was no wind, there was no frogs, there was
Speaker 1: no birds, there was nothing. And there's a stream that
Speaker 1: flows and I cannot emphasize this enough right next to
Speaker 1: the park, like if you step to the right, you
Speaker 1: fall into the stream. So there should have been frogs
Speaker 1: going to say the least, not a single chirp, not anything.
Speaker 1: So we push on and come out on the soundtrack,
Speaker 1: and Angus is now like, come, I want to go
Speaker 1: to that river, and I said, ah, this is where
Speaker 1: I draw the line. So eventually, after me standing my ground,
Speaker 1: we turn around and we go back in and we
Speaker 1: make it through. We get out the other side and
Speaker 1: myself in Collins sprint and Angus is walking. He comes
Speaker 1: up to us and he's like, well that was quite uneventful,
Speaker 1: and so he asks us, well, what more can I
Speaker 1: do to get a better experience? And so me and
Speaker 1: Coleb kind of looked at each other and we're trying
Speaker 1: to think, and we're like, okay, one thing that we
Speaker 1: never do is we never talk into the dark, and
Speaker 1: we never whistle into the dark. And Angus, being the
Speaker 1: very smart lad that he is, decides he's going to
Speaker 1: stand there and whistle into the darkness. And so he
Speaker 1: starts whistling and whistling, and he's standing right there by
Speaker 1: these white pillars. He's whistling, and eventually he against the
Speaker 1: courage to leave the pillars and he walks about five
Speaker 1: meters past, whistles, whistles ten meters fifteen meters. Eventually he
Speaker 1: gets to about twenty five to thirty meters away from
Speaker 1: these pillars. Now he's standing if me, if myself and
Speaker 1: callar by looking at him. He's looking to our left
Speaker 1: and the road that we need to run down is
Speaker 1: on the left. He's in front of us face on
Speaker 1: the left, and to our right, which is behind him,
Speaker 1: is this massive bush, thick bush that is almost it
Speaker 1: connects to the forest, but barely. And he's sitting there
Speaker 1: and he's whistling, and he's whistling, and the next minute
Speaker 1: he just like I heard this slight, slight sound of
Speaker 1: what I could assume was a thud, and I just
Speaker 1: see angers fall down and he stands up and he shouts,
Speaker 1: but he shouts from the back of his throat like
Speaker 1: a genuine survival scream, not that I'm scared scream, like
Speaker 1: a this is survival. And when I heard that come
Speaker 1: out of him, I swear I saul left my body
Speaker 1: because I've never heard the guy shout like that, and
Speaker 1: I've been made to him for a year. We've been
Speaker 1: in the African bush, We've been out at night with
Speaker 1: lions and elephants, and I have never heard that guy
Speaker 1: scream like that before. And he screamed like that, I
Speaker 1: knew something had happened. So we book it and we
Speaker 1: run down the road myself in colar bar It. We
Speaker 1: start off probably one hundred meters in front of him,
Speaker 1: werein twelve seconds, he's passed us. He's really scared, so
Speaker 1: he runs and myself would call us start waving him down,
Speaker 1: like hey, what happened? And he comes up to us
Speaker 1: and he's like, did you not hear that, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I did, but I don't know what.
Speaker 1: And he said it sounded like something had hit the
Speaker 1: ground or like punched the ground or stump the ground
Speaker 1: right behind where he was, and he said he just
Speaker 1: lost it and he ran. And so now we're all
Speaker 1: through standing there like okay, cool, we got to get back.
Speaker 1: And as soon as we say that, Angus checks his
Speaker 1: pockets and his phone's not there. So now we have
Speaker 1: to go back and he has to get his phone.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, myself and calemb again we were scarty cats,
Speaker 1: and we stayed on the road and we let him
Speaker 1: walk off to get his phone by himself. Came back
Speaker 1: and we started making our way back home. Now, on
Speaker 1: our way back home, Carlub about one hundred meters down
Speaker 1: the road, points out to the right and he's like, Angus,
Speaker 1: do you want to look for something? As goes y'ah,
Speaker 1: so get you get your headlamp and scan this area
Speaker 1: that has a view of the whole forest. Cool. Angus
Speaker 1: jumps up there. He gets his high power to headlamp,
Speaker 1: scanning left to right and left to right. Now a
Speaker 1: bit of context about this man. He's been hunting for
Speaker 1: ten years he's shot well over three or four hundred animals.
Speaker 1: He's hunted at night. He knows what different animals are
Speaker 1: shines look like, so he's very experienced when it comes
Speaker 1: to knowing animals and what signs their show. So he's
Speaker 1: not scanning, scanning, And I'm standing on the road and
Speaker 1: I watched him scan and he pauses directly in front
Speaker 1: of him, and from his view, he's scanning over marshland
Speaker 1: and then there's thick bush on the other bank of
Speaker 1: the marshland, and he scanned, and as soon as he
Speaker 1: hit this one major bush on his left hand side
Speaker 1: of the bush, there was a head that was poking
Speaker 1: out and it was he said, reflecting forward slash emitting
Speaker 1: this weird. He hasn't been able to describe it to me,
Speaker 1: but this this unnatural tone of yellow and it was
Speaker 1: just a pale, skinless, i mean furless, hairless face with
Speaker 1: these yellow reflecting eyes just staring at him from the
Speaker 1: behind this bush. And when he saw that, he shouted
Speaker 1: again at that same shout that I heard, and we
Speaker 1: all just booked it and we ran and we ran
Speaker 1: and we ran, and we probably ran around eight hundred meters,
Speaker 1: just didn't stop. Went, went, went, went, and then eventually
Speaker 1: we stopped and we've still got a long way to
Speaker 1: my house. So we decided, okay, we're going to play
Speaker 1: it safe. We're just gonna walk. And the whole walk
Speaker 1: back home, myself, Angus and Carlom we were verbalizing to
Speaker 1: each other, communicating to each other about the strength of
Speaker 1: this feeling that something is right behind us, to the
Speaker 1: point where it feels like it's it's posed of physically
Speaker 1: touching our heels and its chest is up on our back.
Speaker 1: And whenever we would start talking about it, we'd count
Speaker 1: down and we'd swing around and we look and there
Speaker 1: was nothing there, and we'd Karen walking in about five
Speaker 1: seconds later be right back there, and it was it
Speaker 1: was just such an intense feeling that all of us
Speaker 1: were freaking out and we're trying to stay calm, but
Speaker 1: you can see on the other person's face it's like
Speaker 1: this is not okay. And eventually we we didn't even
Speaker 1: bother dropping Carlo buff we said, you can walk home.
Speaker 1: Your house is right there, and we're going to walk home.
Speaker 1: And we walked home, and that was us, that was
Speaker 1: us for the Knights, and yeah, that's that's pretty much
Speaker 1: all the encounters and stories that I have from bringle.
Speaker 2: Bat, well, those are quite a few encounters. One encounter
Speaker 2: is more than enough. You've really been into it neck deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have, and unfortunately I feel like I dragged
Speaker 1: my mates into it. But I suppose that's that's what
Speaker 1: they're for.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have had an experience, I guess it
Speaker 2: is better to have people with you in. Listening to
Speaker 2: you describe how your mates are, sounds like they're pretty
Speaker 2: much up for a challenge and that's what you gave them,
Speaker 2: so hopefully them will hold that against you or anything.
Speaker 2: Although it sounds to me like Marcus isn't doing all
Speaker 2: that well. Well, I'm sorry. Dale. Sounds to me like
Speaker 2: Dale's not doing all that well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dale's so Dale's not doing all that well. And
Speaker 1: I found out, actually quite recently, that it's not just
Speaker 1: the event that happened that that caused him to distance himself.
Speaker 1: It was a few other things as well as him
Speaker 1: being quite strong in his religion and disagreeing with a
Speaker 1: few of the aspects that we were doing. And obviously
Speaker 1: one of them was going out and looking for these
Speaker 1: these unknown things that in his mind shouldn't be meddled
Speaker 1: with they should just be left alone, and so combination
Speaker 1: of things. But one of the reasonings was that night
Speaker 1: and just disagreement of those kind of those kind of beings.
Speaker 1: If I can say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds to me like he's convinced that what
Speaker 2: he saw was a spiritual creature, a supernatural being. What
Speaker 2: do you think. Do you think white Man is a
Speaker 2: flesh and blood creature or do you think he's supernatural
Speaker 2: as well?
Speaker 1: Again, I've I've only I've only seen it seen white
Speaker 1: Man once, so I can't really go off much. But
Speaker 1: my guess would have to be that it's it's a
Speaker 1: flesh and blood because the between myself and Dale, our
Speaker 1: encounters were quite quite key characteristics of a lot of
Speaker 1: predatory animals. So when Dale had his encounter, it almost
Speaker 1: seemed like a bit of a mock charge and it
Speaker 1: came at him and then stopped in front of him,
Speaker 1: And my encounter was like it was sitting there defensively watching,
Speaker 1: waiting for him to do something. I feel like had
Speaker 1: it have been a spiritual thing, there would have been
Speaker 1: a lot a lot more evil intent behind it. I
Speaker 1: feel like with Dale's thing, it would have chased him
Speaker 1: and possibly like done something physically to him, or less
Speaker 1: so physically, would have followed him home that night or
Speaker 1: something to that effect. But that was the only encounter
Speaker 1: that he had. And just yeah, I suppose if it
Speaker 1: was a spiritual thing, again, it would have been everywhere,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It was only ever outside that we
Speaker 1: had these kind of things, and it was only ever
Speaker 1: in places where it had scape routes. So in my
Speaker 1: mind I personally believed that it was a flesh and
Speaker 1: blood creature.
Speaker 2: Well, it's understandable why you might think that, and you
Speaker 2: could very easily be right about that. That's one of
Speaker 2: the things about this little dog mean topic. There are
Speaker 2: so many people who are convinced that they have to
Speaker 2: be flesh and blood, and you've got quite a few
Speaker 2: people also, on the other hand, do they swear up
Speaker 2: and down with their supernatural beings. My opinion on the
Speaker 2: matter is you might have both. You might have some
Speaker 2: dogmen over here they are flesh and blood creatures and
Speaker 2: other dog men are supernatural beings. But that's one of
Speaker 2: those things that all we can do is just debate
Speaker 2: about it. That's all we can do. But having said that,
Speaker 2: I've got a ton of questions for you, A Kai,
Speaker 2: would you be interested in coming back to do a
Speaker 2: part two A Q and A.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: Oh great, Well, what we'll do is we'll just set
Speaker 2: that up and get that scheduled in. We'll do that
Speaker 2: Q and A then, but until then, thanks again so
Speaker 2: much for coming on to tell us about these experiences,
Speaker 2: and I hope you have a great night.
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