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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Kyle

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Roth Ki. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Vic. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure being here. Thank

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you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Ki,

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please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kirath. I've been born and raised in

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South Africa. My whole life moved around quite a lot.

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Currently I reside in a small holiday village called Pringle Bay,

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which is on the east coast outside of Cape Town.

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And yeah, I've been living there for the past few years.

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Made a good group of friends there. I lived there

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with my dad and my stepmom and then my three

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younger sisters. My mother unfortunately passed away in the year

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twenty nineteen. But yeah, I can't complain much about where

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I live. Fantastic place and it's the perfect combination of

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having a social life but also being able to be

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in the wilderness and be in nature. Then yeah, I

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mean I matriculated from high school two years ago. It's

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not last year, the year before and then last year

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I went to a gap year program in Zimbabwe where

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I met one of my close friends whom you all

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will share in a few minutes about. And yeah, that's

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pretty much a brief bye on myself. I love nature.

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I don't know what else does that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great bio. I'm wondering though, Kayle, what's

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your favorite thing about living in South Africa?

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Speaker 1: Me personally, I would say the culture and the vibes

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with people. So obviously, everywhere you are in the world,

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there's going to be people that are root to you

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and whatever the story may be, but specifically South Africa.

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If you if you find the right people, you build

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really really close friendships and bonds with these kinds of people,

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to the point where within a few weeks of knowing

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these people, you feel like family already, and everyone's like inviting.

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And it's a very diverse culture. It's like you've got English,

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you've got off a Count, You've got Closer, You've got Zulu,

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You've got all these different cultures that merge together. And

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even though they're different, like we all, I don't know

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how you say it. But we can all work together,

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and we all live together, and we all bond together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like an amazing place. They're sure we'd

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like to visit someday, but with my work schedule, good

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luck on that. Don't see that happening. But that's all right.

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I can live vi curiously through other people, so I

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guess it's not all that bad. Kai. From what I understand,

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you were listening to the show for a long time,

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Free had your first encounter. How'd you find out about

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the show though?

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I've been listening to your podcast since twenty

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twenty one. The first one that I got on was

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My big Foot Startings, and yeah, I suppose quite literally

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my whole life. I remember it was about the age

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of six or seven years old. I was watching on YouTube.

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I think it's called Searching for Monsters or something along

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those lines, and it's a documentary about these people that

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travel to different countries and places like that, And at

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first it scared me, and then a couple of years later,

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once i'd grown up a beds, I think around the

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age of twelve, I started to regain interest. And I

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suppose you could say the unknown and the often looked

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over what do I say topics that this world has

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to offer, And so I kind of just went into

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a big rabbit hole and searched the internet, went looking

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for everything that I could find on bigfoot and dog

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men and skin walkers. And then eventually I got a

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Spotify account, and I was quite eager to listen to

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a podcast, because I found that listening to these things

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helped me obtain them for a lot better. So I

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looked up bigfoot bigfoot podcasts, and up came your My

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Bigfoot Sightings, and so from there it kind of just

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took off. I'd looked at your profile, I saw you

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had a few other channels up, and so I was

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listening and bouncing between the few and just listening to

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different podcasts, and every time you posted each week, I'd

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be there on the dot listening. But yoh, that's a

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story of how I found you all.

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Speaker 2: Your podcast, Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad

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you knew about it and found it. And yeah, a

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lot of people who listened to dog Mean Encounters. I

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think this is the only podcast I produce, but no,

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I produce four, so that does keep me busy. You

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told us a few things about Pringle Bay, just a

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moment ago, that small village where you live, but please

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tell us more about the place and the area around it.

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Speaker 1: So Pringle Bay is about to give you perspective. There's

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a few small towns villages close by. One is a

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little bit smaller and the others is a little bit bigger,

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but they both within five minutes in each direction along

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the coast, and then you're nearest bigger towns are about

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an hour or so away. So it's not entirely secluded,

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but it's secluded enough that you feel like you're still

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in nature and you don't feel like you're in a

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big city and everything's being built up and developed. And yeah,

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I mean it's the perfect place. I mean it sits

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in this almost ball type thing where the mountains are

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all around, and it's covered in what we call fame boss.

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It's a local flora. And I mean the mountains are

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like a thirty minute walk from the beach, so you

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have this perfect combination of mountains if you want to

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go hiking and cycling and camping or whatever you enjoy.

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And then down to the beach you've got literally everything diving, surfing,

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going out on boats, fish, whatever your heart desires. So yeah,

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I mean for me, in terms of the natural aspect,

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Pringle Bay is pretty perfect for me because I get

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to enjoy nature as well as still have a sense

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of society around me and socialization and obviously make friends

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of whom of which I've been friends for years now

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and we've built some really close bonds and had some

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amazing adventures out in the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Sure does sound like a beautiful place. What kinds of

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dangerous animals live around the town and how often do

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they come into the town.

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Speaker 1: So, to be honest with you, we don't have many

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dangerous animals. Our most dangerous would be obviously snakes because

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the town is so in the wilderness and it's in

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a biasphere, so there's a lot of building regulations and

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also lots of things, and oftentimes people have to have

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open fences, not walls, and so your most common dangerous

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animal per se that side is snakes going in to

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people's gardens, houses, whatever the story may be. And then

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another problem that we have is the baboons. They will

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rob people, they'll break into houses. They're literally the thieves

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of our town. And then yeah, I would say that's

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about it. I mean, obviously the ocean is universal for sharks,

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but yeah, I'd say those are the only three three

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animals you'd really need to look out for in pringle Bao,

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the snakes, baboons and sharks.

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Speaker 2: So you don't have any alliance around.

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Speaker 1: Not where we are. Where we are, we quite it's

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a different it's a different kind of biome and what

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do you call it, ecosystem to what the larger animals

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were thriving. So your elephants and your lions, and your

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rhinos and your buffalo are more north and along the coasts,

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but quite a ways up. To give you perspective of

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the nearest place where you can go to see big

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cats is about a two and a half to three

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hour drive east along the coast towards this big cat sanctuary.

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And in nature, you're going to have to drive about

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four hours into the center of South Africa to find

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something a game reserve where you can see them naturally.

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So locally don't have any big game or anything dangerous

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a definite perk here. It's a beautiful village

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with all this beautiful scenery around it, and you don't

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have to worry about bumping into a line when you

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step out the door. That makes it even better. Yet,

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Sighting dot com. All right, Kyle, please tell us about

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your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes

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to mind.

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Speaker 1: My encounter started well, the first and only encounter I've

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ever had, or should I say sighting, was back in

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March of twenty twenty three, and we'd just moved into

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Pringle Bay. We'd been there for just short of a year,

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and I'd made a very good group of friends, one

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of which named Marcus. He will remember that name. He'll

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come in later on. But we were a very good

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group of mates, and obviously being nineteen this year, so

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we were probably like fourteen and fifteen, and you know

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how to go to bars, So we would find other

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ways to entertain ourselves, and that the main activity that

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we did was walking in the streets at night. I

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mean there's no street lights, it's mostly gravel roads. But

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the town Pringle Bay is so quiet and seclusive that

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the concern of being robbed at night just isn't there,

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or being endanger at night isn't there. So we would

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go for walks at night until four o'clock in the

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morning and we would just walk kilometers and talk and

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go on the side adventures. And we'd been doing it

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pretty much since I became friends with these guys off

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the bat. And then fast forward about a year. One

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week we went for a walk, and tradition would be

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we'd do our walk wherever it may be, and then

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we always off at the town square and then we

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all say our goodbyes and we go our separate ways

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towards our houses. And my house was about five minutes away.

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and what my house actually looks like, So if you've

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got a bird's eye view to the north to the

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top part of the house is the driveway with the gate,

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and then running along the west boundary is a small

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little pathway about a meter and a half wide, and

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that little pathway alleyway, takes you to the back of

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the house where the back porch is that opens up

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into the garden, and then when you come into the

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driveway on your left, you will have this open room

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with glass panes instead of wall. And that was our

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open plant study. And that's pretty much was our quote

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unquote front door. Now directly across the road from us

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was a double empty plot, and there was a small

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little animal pathway that ran from the back road and

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connected the two roads together. So whenever i'd finish my

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night walks, i would come from the circle and I'd

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get onto the top road and I'd walk across the

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te empty plots and end up on my road and

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then literally just hop over the road to get to

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my house. So this particular night, we'd all said goodbye,

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we'd made plans to meet up again tomorrow, and I'd

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walked and I'd just gotten to the double plot. And

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as soon as I've turned and stepped onto the double plot,

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I just felt this like this blanket, this wave of

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this feeling of something watching me very very intently, to

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the point where the the hair on the back of

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my neck rose, and I even recalled looking at my

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arm and seem like my arm was just chicken skin,

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or my hair was all raised. And I paused for

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a second, and I thought something obviously seemed very off.

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want to sit there and play over in my head

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what the possibilities could have been, so I just put

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my head down and I carried on walking. I didn't

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look up, I just watched it. I was putting my feet,

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and then as soon as I hit over the road

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and to my gate, we had a manual gate, so

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I had to pull the thing open and pull it closed.

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feeling went from like a five out of ten to

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an eight or nine. So at that point I turned

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and I had my body facing the road in the

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empty plot, and I had my back facing the house,

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and I just put my hands down my back. I

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opened the gate, it closed, it walked inside, and that

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was me for the night. Now we carried my friends

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and I carried on having night walks throughout the week,

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and each time i'd walk over the plot, the feeling

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would get more and more and more intense. And then

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about a week a week and a half after I

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had that first feeling of walking through the plot. It

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was about eight o'clock at night, closer to nine, and

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I was sitting in my room and my dad was

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sitting in the lounge, and my sister, my elder sister,

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was in her room, and my dad had let my

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dog out so that she could go do her business

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before we locked up the house for the night. And

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the dog started barking to which wasn't an unusual It

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wasn't an a usual event. It was quite normal for

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her to bark at night. She box it almost everything,

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so we never we didn't think much of it. So

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my dad just called me and he said, can you

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go get your dog? So I grabbed the flashlights, the headlamp,

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and I asked my sister if she wanted to come with,

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and so we stepped outside. And by this time sun's

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long set. It's pitch dark, and I've got this dim,

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little cheap headlamp, and we walk on that alleyway on

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the west hand side of the property. We jump onto

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the drive where we walk across, and my dog is

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in the far northeast corner of the house barking, and

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my dog's part bought a colin I've been training her

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for nine years and her recall is insane. Sometimes I

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don't even need to say something. I can just make

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a gesture with my hand and she knows. And when

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I got to the driveway, I was about seven meters

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from her, between seven and ten meters, and I started

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calling like, hey, Cara, come come, and she just ignored me,

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and she was just going crazy. And at some points

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I just paused and I thought to myself, like, she's

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she's going a bit crazy right now. She's something's definitely

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not okay. And so about often probably a minute of

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me standing there shouting at her, I gave up and

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I walked up to her and I grabbed her by

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the collar. And the first thing I noticed when I

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grabbed her by the collar was all the hair on

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her neck felt fluffy. And so I looked down and

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all the hair from the back of her head to

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where her bone connects to her body, I mean her

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tail connects to her body was just hair, all standing

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up vertically. And that's when I paused to myself and

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I was like, okay, I no, something is really off you. So,

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without wanting to draw any attention again, she kept my

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head down and I pulled her and walked back to

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the driveway where my sister was standing waiting for us,

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and I heard gravel crunching, so instinctively I looked up

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and I saw what it first seemed to be a tall,

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tall man with long gray hair wearing a white coat,

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and so I assumed it was one of our old neighbors.

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And so I agreeed to the person and I said, hey,

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how are you? How's your night? As I said hey,

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the thought person was about twenty meters away on the

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opposite side of the road, and they had just gotten

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in line with the empty plot as I said hey,

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And I just remember watching this person fall face first,

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not like they pushed themselves or they jumped. It literally

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just stopped in their track and fell forward and didn't

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flinch an armed, did anything. And I want to say

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about when they were about thirty sent to me about

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to hit the ground, I just watched these two front

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legs pop out and just grab it almost just before

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it was about to hit the floor, and that just

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shook me. I just froze as soon as I saw that.

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I just I was looking at this thing and I

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was trying to assess what is this I was trying

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to rationalize to myself. I was like, Okay, maybe it's

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a leopard, and I'm looking at it and I'm but

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it's pure white and it's got a short, fluffy tail.

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And while I'm trying to analyze this, my sister notices

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that I'm frozen, and she starts calling my name and

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breaks my train of thought. But I'm still frozen, and

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she's asking God, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I say

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to her, do you see that over there? She comes

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next to me and I can feel her putting her

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head and shade like shifting it around next to me,

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trying to see it. And she goes the white thing

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and I said yes. She goes what is that? And

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I said, just go get that? And she starts freaking out.

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My sister's prone to having panic attacks, and she's freaking out,

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and I'm trying to be stone with her because this

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is a situation. I don't want her and I can

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handle myself in it, I don't want my sister. I

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start shouting it on Bella, just go get that. She

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runs and she fetches my dad. Now I'm stuck there.

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My dog's gone. I'm stuck there with this little cheapy flashlight,

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and this dog man just posted up on the other

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side of this road, and we were just both frozen

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in place, kind of assessing each other. And I'm so

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grateful I had those five minutes to myself because it

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gave me time to properly assess the details of what

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I was looking at from head to the tip of

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the tail. And so I'll work you through it. The

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first thing that caught my attention was the face. It

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had black eyes, not sunken eyes. It it didn't look

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like it was missing eyeballs. It definitely had eyeballs, but

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they were black. I couldn't see any white. And then

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it had this beautifully, almost perfectly circular shaped face with

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these ears that came out on the top, but they

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weren't they weren't as harshly pointed as like the Doberman

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ears that a lot of people talk about. They were

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a little bit curved at the top. And then I

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saw little black nose and I couldn't see any details

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on the teeth as the whole body was just white.

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And so from there I kind of moved down and

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the next thing that really caught my attention was the

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size of this thing's main like it had this mass

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of just fur from its from the back of its

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head all the way down to its middle back, and

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it kind of disappeared along the lads a bit, so

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by the lads where you would imagine the front leg

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would rub a lot, it was more shorter hair, and

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then underbelly as well, and then the long hair continued

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till about just where the chest if a human was

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sitting down, like that where the chest would have ended.

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But the main it was just I don't even know

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how to describe it. It was just massive and luscious,

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long white hair. And then onto the physique of this thing.

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The best way I can describe it is had that

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big chest with a very small waist, classic of like

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a greyhound. But the muscular definition on this animal was

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nothing I've ever seen before in my life. It was

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like if you took if you took a greyhound and

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came it the muscle mass of a football and then

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put it to the size of a great day, That's

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pretty much what I was looking at with a bit

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of a longer body. And so once I figured out

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this physique, I started paying attention to the smaller details

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like the feet and the tail. And one thing that

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caught me was the front I want to call them

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hands were like perfectly flush on the floor, and then

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the thumb was like a place higher than where it

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would be on our human hands. So if you can

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imagine your thumb on your hand, you could take it

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off and put it a place higher. That's pretty much

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where this thing's quote thumbs were. And then as I

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moved towards the back pause, it looked there was a

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little bit of finger definition in the different toes, but

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it still had the main part of the foot still

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had that classic canine shaped to it where it was

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like squarish or rectangular, and that that caught me off

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god a little bit because I was expecting both to

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look the same. And then the tail wasn't excessively long.

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If I were to put it into a ratio with

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the length of the of the actual creature, I would

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put it at about a fifth the length of its body,

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made up for about a fifth of its total length.

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And it was bushy and yeah. So for about five

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minutes I just stood there looking at this thing and

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taking in everything, And after a while I started to

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notice that it was frozen there, almost in a self

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defensive way, like I'm looking at this thing and I'm

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assessing its body language and it's just completely still, but

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it knows that I've seen it. So it was almost

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as if though it was like a cat when they

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turn their side to you and they lift their back.

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It was just sat there assessing me. I think it

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was almost processing like if I do if I do this,

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it's going to retaliate like that, or I do this

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is going to respond like that. And so when I

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kind of came to that confusion that it was in

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defense of mode, I just kind of stood still. I

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didn't move fast, I didn't move at all, and I

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just carried on taking it all in as much detail

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as I possibly could. And then five minutes passed and

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my dad came out that front door, out of the

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open plan room. He came out and he's rushing. He's like,

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what's wrong, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, do

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you see that over there? My dad? Unfortunately, my dad

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doesn't have the best eyesight, so even during the day,

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so he squints his eyes and he's like, I can't

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see it. And so I tell him, do you not

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have a light And he says, I'll switch the car on,

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he goes inside, he gets the car keys, and he

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comes back out and I hear him click the keys

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into ignition, and as soon as he turns it and

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the engine started, that thing was gone. It just booked

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it down the double empty plot. And funny enough, my

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friend and I, Marcus, we went back a few days

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later to measure the length of the plot and I

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gave an estimation for how quickly it covered it, and

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it was one hundred meters that it covered. To play

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it safe, i'll say five seconds. Covered one hundred meters

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in five seconds. And once we'd actually done the math

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behind it, that's what shocked me. It is like, not

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only is this thing strong, but it is built for

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speed and agility, because the way it moved on across

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that land like it's marsh, It's literal. It was just

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a sewage river there. And that's why I was empty,

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because nobody wanted to buy it, and it was just

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this horrible, sloppy, muddy land and this thing just almost

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like it was flying over. It just booked it and

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was gone. And so with that concluded, my dad finally

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got the car swung around, but he unfortunately missed it

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and so he twitched off the car and he came

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to me and he's like, what did you see? And

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I briefly described him. I said, I saw this white

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thing there. I don't know what it is, because at

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the time I'm still like, even though I've taken time

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to scan what it is, I don't quite know how

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to just pop it up on my dad and be like, yeah,

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I just saw a dog man. And so I just

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explained to him, and he's like, okay, okay, just like,

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don't tell any of your sisters. We don't want to

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freak them out. And so we go back inside, we

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lock up the house, dogs inside, and I go to bed.

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But now, to give you a layout of the house,

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my room window connects to the open plan study area.

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That's the quote front door. So if you're outside and

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the curtains are open for both windows, you can see

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into my room and I can see to that, I

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can see onto the driveway. And so at about eleven

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o'clock that night, I decided, Okay, I'm gonna put my

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phone down and I'm going to hit that and I

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pretty much at first I fell asleep with my back

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facing the window, and then I heard this this tap

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on the outside window by the open plant thing, and

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it was like a and it was just two and

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then it paused for ten seconds, and then I heard

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and it did that for about five to ten minutes.

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As I was hearing this thing, I just slowly turned

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around and I couldn't see anything through my window because

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it was two curtains. The one that's in the study

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was quite a see through one, and then my one

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was a blackout curtain, so no matter where you are,

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you're not going to see any shadows or anything through there.

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So now I'm laying there and I'm facing my window

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and I can hear this. And after about i'll call

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it ten minutes, it went from two taps to and

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then it would pause for ten seconds, and then it

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would do three taps, pause for ten seconds. And at

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first I was petrified. I was just thinking to myself,

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the last thing I want to do is hear that

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on my actual window. It's going, and I was going

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and I was going, and it just didn't stop for

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an hour, and eventually I just my younger self, I

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thought I could take this thing on and I was

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not getting annoyed, and I thought, okay, well, just a

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little creature out just have a look and see what's happening.

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And it's probably the one, the one of the biggest

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mistakes I ended up making with this thing, because I

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threw my curtains open and I looked outside and I

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,200
just saw this, this shadow and was standing oh at

479
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,119
least two and a half meters tall, and there was,

480
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,000
if you can picture, its right hand was up on

481
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,079
the window, and I saw the finger out and the

482
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,359
size of this thing. The thing that scared me most

483
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,759
was just the size of this thing's hand, Like if

484
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,759
you had to take an eighty four piece of paper,

485
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,160
this thing's hand would pretty much cover the entire paper.

486
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,200
And when I saw that, I just I literally lost

487
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:00,119
my breath, paused for a second, and then the sound

488
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,599
of me throwing the curtain open just stopped it. And

489
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,440
it almost froze there with its finger just barely touching

490
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,480
the glass. And I froze for a few seconds, and eventually,

491
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,519
I don't even know what I managed to snap out

492
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,240
of it, and I ran to my parents' room and

493
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,440
I woke my dad up, and I was like, hey, hey, hey,

494
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:28,039
something outside. We ran out and wasn't there, and so

495
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:32,079
we went back inside. We put the alarm on and

496
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:40,119
we didn't have anything from that night on. And then yeah,

497
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,400
for a few weeks after that. I mean, I obviously

498
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,079
told my friend Marcus and another friend whose name I'm

499
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,079
going to keep confidential. His name will call him Dale.

500
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,680
I told Marcus and Dale about these experience, this encounter

501
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,119
that I had, and at that time, these guys were excited.

502
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,319
They're like, Okay, there's something here, There's something for us

503
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:06,759
to explore, something exciting. And so from that night on

504
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:12,519
we went for night walks every single night in the

505
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:18,519
hopes of seeing this thing again. And every night, instead

506
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,799
of just me having the feeling of being watched, it

507
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,359
had now passed on to these two guys, and they

508
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,160
would feel like they were being watched. Whether we were

509
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880
in a group or by ourselves, we were at nights

510
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,160
specifically constantly feeling like we were being watched. And so

511
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,039
fast forward about a week and a half of the

512
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:45,640
mind counter my friend Marcus. So let me backtrack there

513
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,200
for a few weeks just before I'd had mind Counter, myself,

514
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,440
Marcus and Dale we decided we're going to go on

515
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,920
a little exploit adventure and we're going to explore the place.

516
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,200
And we ended up coming across this massive empty plot

517
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160
of land that was directly across the road from the

518
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,360
fire station and had these two big white pillars, had

519
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,199
this lurnal trail that went into what we call the forest,

520
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,360
but it's probably a bunch of thin trees with very

521
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,880
little branches and these on them, but they grow densely

522
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,360
together and they grow about four meters and high three

523
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
to four meters, and in between that is reeds and

524
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:35,440
thick bushes and leavy bushes. And so we discovered this place,

525
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239
and how it works is you go past the white

526
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,360
pillars and there's about fifty meters of open grass, quite overgrown,

527
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,440
but it's still open. You walk down and then you

528
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,960
go around this big bush that grows over the pathway,

529
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,360
and as soon as you come around that bush, it's

530
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:03,119
just this heavy, heavy wavers be watched again. And we've

531
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:07,480
taken groups of people there. We've never told them about

532
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:13,159
the context behind this place, and they'll walk in there

533
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,280
and everyone will have the same reaction. Their hair will raise,

534
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,960
and you're just on high alert. And so you walk

535
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:26,800
through that part for about six hundred meters and you

536
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,800
come out and you go onto this open soundtrack where

537
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,440
it's properly open. It's sand with small bushes, and then

538
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,480
if you keep left, you eventually end up on the

539
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,679
soundtrack and you turn off, and then there's another forest,

540
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:49,719
like a proper forest, this time with the eucalyptus trees growing,

541
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,320
and you drop down into this river bed where it's

542
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400
just rock and there's a little stream that flows through there.

543
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,159
So it's in our past four again. A week and

544
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:06,000
a half after my accountant, my friend Marcus decided he's

545
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:07,920
going to go for a walk and he's going to

546
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,320
go to that little stream because at the time we were

547
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,840
building a little fort and he just wanted to check

548
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,840
the place out and see how it was doing and

549
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,800
all these wonderful things. So he got through the forest, okay,

550
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,559
went into the sandtrack, dropped down into the river, and

551
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:30,519
as soon as he hit the stones, he heard what

552
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,039
sounded like water splashing off to his right, and he

553
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:40,119
saw this big white foam sitting on the stream, which

554
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,920
wasn't unusual. If you walk twenty meters up the stream,

555
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,199
there's that foam everywhere. So he assumed, okay, the water's

556
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,960
flashing and it's causing that foam, and he turned around

557
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,000
and took a few steps, and then he heard something

558
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,639
rise out of the waters like droplets, and he looked

559
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,039
and he watched the foam slowly your eyes and rose

560
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,679
to he said, at least two and a half meters,

561
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:13,360
And he said it stood there for a second or

562
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,639
two and then it just casually walked upstream and disappeared.

563
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,719
And now was the last he saw it. And this thing,

564
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,119
this creature, scared Marcus so bad that he wasn't going

565
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,559
to take any risks. He decided to take his knife

566
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:36,079
out and backtracked the whole eight hundred meters up the

567
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,320
river bank through the thick bush, and he did not

568
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,800
turn his back. He had his knife in his hands,

569
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,199
he was facing the direction of the stream, and he

570
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,400
just backed out of there. And so, yeah, Marcus very

571
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,719
shortly afterwards told me about his but his encounter, I'm

572
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,920
pretty sure it was that same day. And then yeah,

573
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,320
I mean again, we didn't have anything for about a

574
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:11,079
month or so, and unfortunately, during that period of a month,

575
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,639
one of the guys in our group, his mother unfortunately

576
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,440
passed away, and so we all went and had this

577
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,559
celebratory memorial like I don't know what you would call it,

578
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,440
dinner at one of the low at one of the

579
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,159
nearby villages towards the west, and it was five minutes away,

580
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,840
so we quickly drove down there. And we have what's

581
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,679
it's our regional road, the Affully four, and it runs

582
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,840
past the entrance of Pringle Bay and runs almost through

583
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,840
the small little town and then goes towards the big cities.

584
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,880
And so that night, this restaurant was right on the

585
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,960
edge of that road, so we decided, you know it,

586
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,119
at this time of night, this section of the road

587
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,519
is extremely we're gonna go for a night walk. So

588
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:09,800
it was myself, Marcus, two other guys, and then one

589
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,119
guy I'm not gonna mention his name, but i'll call

590
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:19,119
him Dale. Five of us made our way down and

591
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,480
we started walking down because the road dropped down across

592
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,199
a lagoon and then goes up the mountain again. So

593
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,199
we went walked down to this bridge, and the whole

594
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,599
time we're walking there, we're all feeling a bit off,

595
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,960
except for Dale. And one thing listeners need to know

596
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,800
about Dale. He is a very adrenaline seeking guy. He

597
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,079
really like. He would watch horror movies whenever he pleased

598
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,639
to have scary they were. He'd watch the scariest horror

599
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,719
movies and not not even jump once throughout the movie.

600
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,519
I'm not a horror movie fanatics, so I never understood it.

601
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,719
But he was always he was always seeking to go

602
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,360
that little step further to really put himself in that

603
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,960
situation where he was scared for a few seconds, just

604
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,960
so he could experience it. And so anyways, we were

605
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,239
all walking and the group of us all together like, ah,

606
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,320
what was that? And Dale is just ahead of us

607
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,639
on his own little mission leading us. And so eventually

608
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,800
we come down to the bridge and we stopped them,

609
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:38,719
and we're all talking and chatting, and Dale's off about

610
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,800
ten meters up the road and I'm talking. In the

611
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,920
next minute, everyone just runs And at first I thought

612
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,760
everyone was pranking me. So I'm running behind them barefoot,

613
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,920
laughing like ah, yeah, guys, is so funny. And after

614
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,840
about I would call it ten seconds of these guys running,

615
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,480
Eventually I clocked and I realized these guys aren't joking.

616
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,760
They are genuinely running away from something. And I don't

617
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,159
think I have ever reached the speed by foot that

618
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,079
quickly in my life. I just flew and I caught

619
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,559
up to everyone, and I took overtook the last two

620
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,840
guys and I was gone, and eventually we just ran

621
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,000
ran for probably a minute, and we get to the

622
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,679
entrance of the restaurant and everyone stops, and everyone's breathing, puffing, panting,

623
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,840
and everyone's asking each other like, why did you run

624
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,199
no Iran? Because Marcus ran Iran? Because I thought you

625
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,960
said something, and everyone's just confused. And I looked off

626
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
to the side and Dale is sitting at this table

627
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:56,360
and he's got his hands in his head. And one

628
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,039
thing you need to know about this guy is he

629
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:04,000
is not an emotional guy, to say the least. He

630
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,559
hardly ever sheds a tear. He doesn't really communicate about

631
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:13,440
his emotions. He's a very tough guy, I suppose you

632
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,320
could say, when it comes to emotions, he doesn't like

633
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,280
to express them too heavily. And we're like, hey, dude,

634
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,760
are you're good? And he looks up at us and

635
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,239
there's just tears running down his eyes and I remember

636
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
seeing that, and that's when I like, I just didn't

637
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,840
even know how to react because I was like, this

638
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,840
guy who's supposed to be the bravest one out of

639
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,639
all of us is sitting here with his hands and

640
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:43,480
his heads, crying like what did you see? So we

641
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,480
all ask him like, what did you see? What did

642
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:49,480
you see? And pretty much what happened to him was

643
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:54,920
when he was on his little excursion by himself, you

644
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,800
heard what sounded like if you take your nails and

645
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,920
you dragged them against the tow. He heard that just

646
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,000
coming at him with speed, and then it stopped about

647
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,519
four or five meters, and with the little moonlight that

648
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,760
was there, he could barely make out this face with

649
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:22,679
circular face, no ears, black eyes, and just he could

650
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,519
see it was baring its teeth at him. And he

651
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,599
said when he saw it, because when he was finally

652
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:33,079
able to see it, it was instant, because he had

653
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,840
to adjust for a second and use the moonlight to

654
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,679
see it. And when he finally saw it was just

655
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,480
a split second, like it was there. It wasn't like

656
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:45,280
over time the image came to him. It was the

657
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,079
thing was right there, and he booked it and he

658
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,280
ran and he didn't stop until we got back to light.

659
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,599
And that's pretty much what he told us that he

660
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:02,519
saw and encountered, and on that night on he slowly

661
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,079
but surely started going on night walks with us less

662
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,960
and less and then started distancing himself from us. And

663
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,920
now it's it's come to the point where your best

664
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,599
your best bets to get a hold of this guy

665
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:20,800
is to physically walk to his house and communicate with

666
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,480
him because he doesn't have social media, he barely answers

667
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,119
his phone, and he's really just to reclude. I don't know,

668
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,119
like he's kind of retreated to himself and now is

669
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,760
seeking shouter in himself for multiple reasons. But I think

670
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,519
the starting of it would have been this encounter, and

671
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:48,119
so after that we really didn't have anything for a

672
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:52,679
long time, not a long long time, and then far

673
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,159
forward to last year August. So last year, as I

674
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,239
mentioned early on, I was at a appier program in

675
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,559
Zimbabwe and I met one of my best mates at

676
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,880
the moment. His name is Angus mclaggan. Absolute legend of

677
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,039
a man. He's farmers, so he's quite tough. He doesn't

678
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:17,800
share his emotions a lot and isn't scared of a

679
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,840
lot of things. He generally seeks the adrenaline rush, similar

680
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,000
to Dale, but a lot more intensely, like he really

681
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,559
puts himself out there and whether it be a stupid thing,

682
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:31,280
whether it be a smart thing. He's always just trying

683
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,559
to put himself out there to get as much of

684
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,239
the adrenaline rush as possible. And so during our time

685
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,039
at quest, I built a very close bond with this man,

686
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,880
and eventually we got to the point where we were

687
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,519
free to open up to each other about anything. And

688
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:51,719
so eventually I opened up to him about my encounter,

689
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,800
and I opened up to him about that forest that

690
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,679
I mentioned early on, which we came up with a

691
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,199
nickname of skin walk of Forest, purely because of the

692
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,079
feeling that you get when you walk in there. It

693
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,719
feels like there's something there that shouldn't be there. And

694
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,360
so I told him all these stories, and as soon

695
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,039
as I was down, the first thing he said to

696
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:15,920
me is you need to take me there, And I said,

697
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,559
I refuse, and quite literally, it took us about half

698
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,400
an hour of going back and forth, and eventually we

699
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,920
came to a handshake deal and it was said that

700
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,760
I was going to take him to Skinwalker Forest when

701
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,239
the time came. While the time came in August that

702
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,920
he came to my house for the first time, and

703
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,639
it was about his second or his third night here,

704
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,519
and we had decided okay, we're going to take this guy.

705
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:49,800
But I wasn't entirely confident on going by myself with him.

706
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,559
So we went to Marcus's house, and when Marcus heard

707
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:58,119
what we were trying to do, he was he just

708
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:00,400
looked at me like we were crazy people. Looked at

709
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,400
us like we were crazy people. And I stood there

710
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:04,599
and I was in one hundred percent agreement with and

711
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,400
I was like, dude, I do not want to do this.

712
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,199
But I made a deal. And so Marcus kind of

713
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,239
just grabs his brother, his friend's younger brother, and like,

714
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,719
here you could take him. And the younger brother's name

715
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,280
is Carlin. We asked Colin, do you want to come

716
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,519
with and he's like, Josh shall come with you guys.

717
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:26,960
And so we bought him with more more the intention

718
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:32,199
of having a sacrifice rather than a third person. And

719
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,559
so we get to this to the pillars, and everyone's

720
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:40,920
kind of now the nerves are up, senses are getting heightened,

721
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,280
and Angus decided he's going to take the lead. He

722
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,320
takes the lead. I'm behind him with the phone lights.

723
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,840
He's in the front with a knife, and Colin's at

724
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,679
the back again for sacrifice or for beck. So we're

725
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,599
carrying out walking and as soon as we come around

726
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:01,440
that bush, Angus just freezes and he's like, you were

727
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:03,559
not lying, And I'd laughed at him and I said,

728
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,480
what did I tell you? This place is not a joke.

729
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,840
And I was like, we can still go back. No, no,

730
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,760
he wants to go forward, So we pursue on forward

731
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,239
we go. And how the how the over the growth

732
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,039
of this place works is you have about ten meters

733
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,679
where you can walk freely and there's no bushes growing over,

734
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,239
and then all of a sudden you'll hit this wall

735
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,440
of bushes and it's about three to five meters wide,

736
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,199
and you've got to wind and twist through these bushes,

737
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,960
under the leaves, pass the thorns, and come through on

738
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,840
the other end. And then you've got another ten meters

739
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,920
of freeway. And every time we came up to one

740
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,800
of those thick I'm going to call them walls of bushes,

741
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:51,239
I would tell the boys stop, which she lights. They're quiet,

742
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:55,280
don't move, And we would always, always, every single and

743
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,960
there's about six of them that you walk past. Every

744
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,239
single time we would hear something walking just on the

745
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,840
other side of these bushes and just out of the

746
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,920
reach of our lights. I mean, at one point I

747
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,639
put the phone light on it and we saw the

748
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:15,360
bush flick from whatever it brushed it, but we didn't

749
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,000
see what brushed it. And now we're walking and we're

750
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:24,400
pushing through. About halfway through, Angus stops and he's like,

751
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,440
do you guys hear that? And I said no, and

752
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,199
Colic goes, no, what are you talking about? And Angus

753
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,840
at that point made it obvious that there was no sound.

754
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,199
There was no wind, there was no frogs, there was

755
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,440
no birds, there was nothing. And there's a stream that

756
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,559
flows and I cannot emphasize this enough right next to

757
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,559
the park, like if you step to the right, you

758
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,960
fall into the stream. So there should have been frogs

759
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,920
going to say the least, not a single chirp, not anything.

760
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,119
So we push on and come out on the soundtrack,

761
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:06,280
and Angus is now like, come, I want to go

762
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,400
to that river, and I said, ah, this is where

763
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,639
I draw the line. So eventually, after me standing my ground,

764
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,960
we turn around and we go back in and we

765
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:17,719
make it through. We get out the other side and

766
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,320
myself in Collins sprint and Angus is walking. He comes

767
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,880
up to us and he's like, well that was quite uneventful,

768
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,360
and so he asks us, well, what more can I

769
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,360
do to get a better experience? And so me and

770
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,039
Coleb kind of looked at each other and we're trying

771
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,000
to think, and we're like, okay, one thing that we

772
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,480
never do is we never talk into the dark, and

773
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:46,360
we never whistle into the dark. And Angus, being the

774
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,679
very smart lad that he is, decides he's going to

775
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,880
stand there and whistle into the darkness. And so he

776
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,119
starts whistling and whistling, and he's standing right there by

777
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,159
these white pillars. He's whistling, and eventually he against the

778
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,199
courage to leave the pillars and he walks about five

779
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:07,639
meters past, whistles, whistles ten meters fifteen meters. Eventually he

780
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,480
gets to about twenty five to thirty meters away from

781
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:16,159
these pillars. Now he's standing if me, if myself and

782
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,719
callar by looking at him. He's looking to our left

783
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,079
and the road that we need to run down is

784
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,679
on the left. He's in front of us face on

785
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,639
the left, and to our right, which is behind him,

786
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,440
is this massive bush, thick bush that is almost it

787
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,960
connects to the forest, but barely. And he's sitting there

788
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,960
and he's whistling, and he's whistling, and the next minute

789
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,880
he just like I heard this slight, slight sound of

790
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,719
what I could assume was a thud, and I just

791
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,480
see angers fall down and he stands up and he shouts,

792
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:01,199
but he shouts from the back of his throat like

793
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,760
a genuine survival scream, not that I'm scared scream, like

794
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,679
a this is survival. And when I heard that come

795
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,199
out of him, I swear I saul left my body

796
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,360
because I've never heard the guy shout like that, and

797
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,960
I've been made to him for a year. We've been

798
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,519
in the African bush, We've been out at night with

799
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:26,199
lions and elephants, and I have never heard that guy

800
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,679
scream like that before. And he screamed like that, I

801
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,679
knew something had happened. So we book it and we

802
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,519
run down the road myself in colar bar It. We

803
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,559
start off probably one hundred meters in front of him,

804
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:43,639
werein twelve seconds, he's passed us. He's really scared, so

805
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,719
he runs and myself would call us start waving him down,

806
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,960
like hey, what happened? And he comes up to us

807
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,320
and he's like, did you not hear that, and I

808
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,920
was like, I think I did, but I don't know what.

809
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,519
And he said it sounded like something had hit the

810
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,119
ground or like punched the ground or stump the ground

811
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,639
right behind where he was, and he said he just

812
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,800
lost it and he ran. And so now we're all

813
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,760
through standing there like okay, cool, we got to get back.

814
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,239
And as soon as we say that, Angus checks his

815
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,039
pockets and his phone's not there. So now we have

816
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,440
to go back and he has to get his phone.

817
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:26,639
Keep in mind, myself and calemb again we were scarty cats,

818
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:28,320
and we stayed on the road and we let him

819
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,719
walk off to get his phone by himself. Came back

820
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,360
and we started making our way back home. Now, on

821
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,840
our way back home, Carlub about one hundred meters down

822
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,880
the road, points out to the right and he's like, Angus,

823
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,000
do you want to look for something? As goes y'ah,

824
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:50,320
so get you get your headlamp and scan this area

825
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,360
that has a view of the whole forest. Cool. Angus

826
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,920
jumps up there. He gets his high power to headlamp,

827
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:01,559
scanning left to right and left to right. Now a

828
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:03,880
bit of context about this man. He's been hunting for

829
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,320
ten years he's shot well over three or four hundred animals.

830
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,559
He's hunted at night. He knows what different animals are

831
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:14,599
shines look like, so he's very experienced when it comes

832
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:20,920
to knowing animals and what signs their show. So he's

833
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:26,480
not scanning, scanning, And I'm standing on the road and

834
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:29,599
I watched him scan and he pauses directly in front

835
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:34,119
of him, and from his view, he's scanning over marshland

836
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,480
and then there's thick bush on the other bank of

837
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:39,440
the marshland, and he scanned, and as soon as he

838
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,599
hit this one major bush on his left hand side

839
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:46,639
of the bush, there was a head that was poking

840
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:52,920
out and it was he said, reflecting forward slash emitting

841
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,840
this weird. He hasn't been able to describe it to me,

842
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,559
but this this unnatural tone of yellow and it was

843
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:09,239
just a pale, skinless, i mean furless, hairless face with

844
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,719
these yellow reflecting eyes just staring at him from the

845
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,960
behind this bush. And when he saw that, he shouted

846
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,079
again at that same shout that I heard, and we

847
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,559
all just booked it and we ran and we ran

848
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,400
and we ran, and we probably ran around eight hundred meters,

849
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,239
just didn't stop. Went, went, went, went, and then eventually

850
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,960
we stopped and we've still got a long way to

851
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,760
my house. So we decided, okay, we're going to play

852
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,920
it safe. We're just gonna walk. And the whole walk

853
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:46,000
back home, myself, Angus and Carlom we were verbalizing to

854
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:49,760
each other, communicating to each other about the strength of

855
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,199
this feeling that something is right behind us, to the

856
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,199
point where it feels like it's it's posed of physically

857
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
touching our heels and its chest is up on our back.

858
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,840
And whenever we would start talking about it, we'd count

859
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,519
down and we'd swing around and we look and there

860
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,280
was nothing there, and we'd Karen walking in about five

861
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,400
seconds later be right back there, and it was it

862
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:15,119
was just such an intense feeling that all of us

863
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:17,639
were freaking out and we're trying to stay calm, but

864
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,079
you can see on the other person's face it's like

865
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,960
this is not okay. And eventually we we didn't even

866
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,519
bother dropping Carlo buff we said, you can walk home.

867
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,800
Your house is right there, and we're going to walk home.

868
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,079
And we walked home, and that was us, that was

869
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:41,199
us for the Knights, and yeah, that's that's pretty much

870
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,159
all the encounters and stories that I have from bringle.

871
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 2: Bat, well, those are quite a few encounters. One encounter

872
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,880
is more than enough. You've really been into it neck deep.

873
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have, and unfortunately I feel like I dragged

874
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,960
my mates into it. But I suppose that's that's what

875
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:59,280
they're for.

876
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, if you have had an experience, I guess it

877
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,639
is better to have people with you in. Listening to

878
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,760
you describe how your mates are, sounds like they're pretty

879
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,360
much up for a challenge and that's what you gave them,

880
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,239
so hopefully them will hold that against you or anything.

881
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,039
Although it sounds to me like Marcus isn't doing all

882
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,199
that well. Well, I'm sorry. Dale. Sounds to me like

883
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,320
Dale's not doing all that well.

884
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dale's so Dale's not doing all that well. And

885
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:34,280
I found out, actually quite recently, that it's not just

886
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:40,519
the event that happened that that caused him to distance himself.

887
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,679
It was a few other things as well as him

888
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:47,239
being quite strong in his religion and disagreeing with a

889
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:49,239
few of the aspects that we were doing. And obviously

890
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,639
one of them was going out and looking for these

891
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,360
these unknown things that in his mind shouldn't be meddled

892
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,679
with they should just be left alone, and so combination

893
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,920
of things. But one of the reasonings was that night

894
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:11,360
and just disagreement of those kind of those kind of beings.

895
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,679
If I can say that.

896
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds to me like he's convinced that what

897
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,400
he saw was a spiritual creature, a supernatural being. What

898
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,159
do you think. Do you think white Man is a

899
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:26,000
flesh and blood creature or do you think he's supernatural

900
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,400
as well?

901
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Again, I've I've only I've only seen it seen white

902
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,159
Man once, so I can't really go off much. But

903
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,760
my guess would have to be that it's it's a

904
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:48,760
flesh and blood because the between myself and Dale, our

905
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,960
encounters were quite quite key characteristics of a lot of

906
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,679
predatory animals. So when Dale had his encounter, it almost

907
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:58,480
seemed like a bit of a mock charge and it

908
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,000
came at him and then stopped in front of him,

909
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,639
And my encounter was like it was sitting there defensively watching,

910
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,360
waiting for him to do something. I feel like had

911
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,000
it have been a spiritual thing, there would have been

912
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,480
a lot a lot more evil intent behind it. I

913
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:16,280
feel like with Dale's thing, it would have chased him

914
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,079
and possibly like done something physically to him, or less

915
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,039
so physically, would have followed him home that night or

916
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,280
something to that effect. But that was the only encounter

917
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,920
that he had. And just yeah, I suppose if it

918
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,920
was a spiritual thing, again, it would have been everywhere,

919
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,599
but it wasn't. It was only ever outside that we

920
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,440
had these kind of things, and it was only ever

921
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,320
in places where it had scape routes. So in my

922
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,400
mind I personally believed that it was a flesh and

923
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,480
blood creature.

924
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's understandable why you might think that, and you

925
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,760
could very easily be right about that. That's one of

926
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,199
the things about this little dog mean topic. There are

927
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,599
so many people who are convinced that they have to

928
01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:02,679
be flesh and blood, and you've got quite a few

929
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:05,239
people also, on the other hand, do they swear up

930
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,320
and down with their supernatural beings. My opinion on the

931
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,920
matter is you might have both. You might have some

932
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,000
dogmen over here they are flesh and blood creatures and

933
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:17,679
other dog men are supernatural beings. But that's one of

934
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,639
those things that all we can do is just debate

935
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,960
about it. That's all we can do. But having said that,

936
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,440
I've got a ton of questions for you, A Kai,

937
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:27,480
would you be interested in coming back to do a

938
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,079
part two A Q and A.

939
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: I would love to.

940
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: Oh great, Well, what we'll do is we'll just set

941
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:39,039
that up and get that scheduled in. We'll do that

942
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,199
Q and A then, but until then, thanks again so

943
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,239
much for coming on to tell us about these experiences,

944
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,079
and I hope you have a great night.

945
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: An English