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Roth Ki. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic. Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure being here. Thank
you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Ki,
please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: My name is Kirath. I've been born and raised in
South Africa. My whole life moved around quite a lot.
Currently I reside in a small holiday village called Pringle Bay,
which is on the east coast outside of Cape Town.
And yeah, I've been living there for the past few years.
Made a good group of friends there. I lived there
with my dad and my stepmom and then my three
younger sisters. My mother unfortunately passed away in the year
twenty nineteen. But yeah, I can't complain much about where
I live. Fantastic place and it's the perfect combination of
having a social life but also being able to be
in the wilderness and be in nature. Then yeah, I
mean I matriculated from high school two years ago. It's
not last year, the year before and then last year
I went to a gap year program in Zimbabwe where
I met one of my close friends whom you all
will share in a few minutes about. And yeah, that's
pretty much a brief bye on myself. I love nature.
I don't know what else does that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a great bio. I'm wondering though, Kayle, what's
your favorite thing about living in South Africa?
Speaker 1: Me personally, I would say the culture and the vibes
with people. So obviously, everywhere you are in the world,
there's going to be people that are root to you
and whatever the story may be, but specifically South Africa.
If you if you find the right people, you build
really really close friendships and bonds with these kinds of people,
to the point where within a few weeks of knowing
these people, you feel like family already, and everyone's like inviting.
And it's a very diverse culture. It's like you've got English,
you've got off a Count, You've got Closer, You've got Zulu,
You've got all these different cultures that merge together. And
even though they're different, like we all, I don't know
how you say it. But we can all work together,
and we all live together, and we all bond together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like an amazing place. They're sure we'd
like to visit someday, but with my work schedule, good
luck on that. Don't see that happening. But that's all right.
I can live vi curiously through other people, so I
guess it's not all that bad. Kai. From what I understand,
you were listening to the show for a long time,
Free had your first encounter. How'd you find out about
the show though?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I've been listening to your podcast since twenty
twenty one. The first one that I got on was
My big Foot Startings, and yeah, I suppose quite literally
my whole life. I remember it was about the age
of six or seven years old. I was watching on YouTube.
I think it's called Searching for Monsters or something along
those lines, and it's a documentary about these people that
travel to different countries and places like that, And at
first it scared me, and then a couple of years later,
once i'd grown up a beds, I think around the
age of twelve, I started to regain interest. And I
suppose you could say the unknown and the often looked
over what do I say topics that this world has
to offer, And so I kind of just went into
a big rabbit hole and searched the internet, went looking
for everything that I could find on bigfoot and dog
men and skin walkers. And then eventually I got a
Spotify account, and I was quite eager to listen to
a podcast, because I found that listening to these things
helped me obtain them for a lot better. So I
looked up bigfoot bigfoot podcasts, and up came your My
Bigfoot Sightings, and so from there it kind of just
took off. I'd looked at your profile, I saw you
had a few other channels up, and so I was
listening and bouncing between the few and just listening to
different podcasts, and every time you posted each week, I'd
be there on the dot listening. But yoh, that's a
story of how I found you all.
Speaker 2: Your podcast, Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad
you knew about it and found it. And yeah, a
lot of people who listened to dog Mean Encounters. I
think this is the only podcast I produce, but no,
I produce four, so that does keep me busy. You
told us a few things about Pringle Bay, just a
moment ago, that small village where you live, but please
tell us more about the place and the area around it.
Speaker 1: So Pringle Bay is about to give you perspective. There's
a few small towns villages close by. One is a
little bit smaller and the others is a little bit bigger,
but they both within five minutes in each direction along
the coast, and then you're nearest bigger towns are about
an hour or so away. So it's not entirely secluded,
but it's secluded enough that you feel like you're still
in nature and you don't feel like you're in a
big city and everything's being built up and developed. And yeah,
I mean it's the perfect place. I mean it sits
in this almost ball type thing where the mountains are
all around, and it's covered in what we call fame boss.
It's a local flora. And I mean the mountains are
like a thirty minute walk from the beach, so you
have this perfect combination of mountains if you want to
go hiking and cycling and camping or whatever you enjoy.
And then down to the beach you've got literally everything diving, surfing,
going out on boats, fish, whatever your heart desires. So yeah,
I mean for me, in terms of the natural aspect,
Pringle Bay is pretty perfect for me because I get
to enjoy nature as well as still have a sense
of society around me and socialization and obviously make friends
of whom of which I've been friends for years now
and we've built some really close bonds and had some
amazing adventures out in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: Sure does sound like a beautiful place. What kinds of
dangerous animals live around the town and how often do
they come into the town.
Speaker 1: So, to be honest with you, we don't have many
dangerous animals. Our most dangerous would be obviously snakes because
the town is so in the wilderness and it's in
a biasphere, so there's a lot of building regulations and
also lots of things, and oftentimes people have to have
open fences, not walls, and so your most common dangerous
animal per se that side is snakes going in to
people's gardens, houses, whatever the story may be. And then
another problem that we have is the baboons. They will
rob people, they'll break into houses. They're literally the thieves
of our town. And then yeah, I would say that's
about it. I mean, obviously the ocean is universal for sharks,
but yeah, I'd say those are the only three three
animals you'd really need to look out for in pringle Bao,
the snakes, baboons and sharks.
Speaker 2: So you don't have any alliance around.
Speaker 1: Not where we are. Where we are, we quite it's
a different it's a different kind of biome and what
do you call it, ecosystem to what the larger animals
were thriving. So your elephants and your lions, and your
rhinos and your buffalo are more north and along the coasts,
but quite a ways up. To give you perspective of
the nearest place where you can go to see big
cats is about a two and a half to three
hour drive east along the coast towards this big cat sanctuary.
And in nature, you're going to have to drive about
four hours into the center of South Africa to find
something a game reserve where you can see them naturally.
So locally don't have any big game or anything dangerous
like that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a definite perk here. It's a beautiful village
with all this beautiful scenery around it, and you don't
have to worry about bumping into a line when you
step out the door. That makes it even better. Yet,
if you've had a dog mean encounter that you need
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Sighting dot com. All right, Kyle, please tell us about
your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes
to mind.
Speaker 1: My encounter started well, the first and only encounter I've
ever had, or should I say sighting, was back in
March of twenty twenty three, and we'd just moved into
Pringle Bay. We'd been there for just short of a year,
and I'd made a very good group of friends, one
of which named Marcus. He will remember that name. He'll
come in later on. But we were a very good
group of mates, and obviously being nineteen this year, so
we were probably like fourteen and fifteen, and you know
how to go to bars, So we would find other
ways to entertain ourselves, and that the main activity that
we did was walking in the streets at night. I
mean there's no street lights, it's mostly gravel roads. But
the town Pringle Bay is so quiet and seclusive that
the concern of being robbed at night just isn't there,
or being endanger at night isn't there. So we would
go for walks at night until four o'clock in the
morning and we would just walk kilometers and talk and
go on the side adventures. And we'd been doing it
pretty much since I became friends with these guys off
the bat. And then fast forward about a year. One
week we went for a walk, and tradition would be
we'd do our walk wherever it may be, and then
we always off at the town square and then we
all say our goodbyes and we go our separate ways
towards our houses. And my house was about five minutes away.
Now to give a bit of layout on the road
and what my house actually looks like, So if you've
got a bird's eye view to the north to the
top part of the house is the driveway with the gate,
and then running along the west boundary is a small
little pathway about a meter and a half wide, and
that little pathway alleyway, takes you to the back of
the house where the back porch is that opens up
into the garden, and then when you come into the
driveway on your left, you will have this open room
with glass panes instead of wall. And that was our
open plant study. And that's pretty much was our quote
unquote front door. Now directly across the road from us
was a double empty plot, and there was a small
little animal pathway that ran from the back road and
connected the two roads together. So whenever i'd finish my
night walks, i would come from the circle and I'd
get onto the top road and I'd walk across the
te empty plots and end up on my road and
then literally just hop over the road to get to
my house. So this particular night, we'd all said goodbye,
we'd made plans to meet up again tomorrow, and I'd
walked and I'd just gotten to the double plot. And
as soon as I've turned and stepped onto the double plot,
I just felt this like this blanket, this wave of
this feeling of something watching me very very intently, to
the point where the the hair on the back of
my neck rose, and I even recalled looking at my
arm and seem like my arm was just chicken skin,
or my hair was all raised. And I paused for
a second, and I thought something obviously seemed very off.
But I'm generally quite a skittish person, so I didn't
want to sit there and play over in my head
what the possibilities could have been, so I just put
my head down and I carried on walking. I didn't
look up, I just watched it. I was putting my feet,
and then as soon as I hit over the road
and to my gate, we had a manual gate, so
I had to pull the thing open and pull it closed.
And as soon as I got to the gate, the
feeling went from like a five out of ten to
an eight or nine. So at that point I turned
and I had my body facing the road in the
empty plot, and I had my back facing the house,
and I just put my hands down my back. I
opened the gate, it closed, it walked inside, and that
was me for the night. Now we carried my friends
and I carried on having night walks throughout the week,
and each time i'd walk over the plot, the feeling
would get more and more and more intense. And then
about a week a week and a half after I
had that first feeling of walking through the plot. It
was about eight o'clock at night, closer to nine, and
I was sitting in my room and my dad was
sitting in the lounge, and my sister, my elder sister,
was in her room, and my dad had let my
dog out so that she could go do her business
before we locked up the house for the night. And
the dog started barking to which wasn't an unusual It
wasn't an a usual event. It was quite normal for
her to bark at night. She box it almost everything,
so we never we didn't think much of it. So
my dad just called me and he said, can you
go get your dog? So I grabbed the flashlights, the headlamp,
and I asked my sister if she wanted to come with,
and so we stepped outside. And by this time sun's
long set. It's pitch dark, and I've got this dim,
little cheap headlamp, and we walk on that alleyway on
the west hand side of the property. We jump onto
the drive where we walk across, and my dog is
in the far northeast corner of the house barking, and
my dog's part bought a colin I've been training her
for nine years and her recall is insane. Sometimes I
don't even need to say something. I can just make
a gesture with my hand and she knows. And when
I got to the driveway, I was about seven meters
from her, between seven and ten meters, and I started
calling like, hey, Cara, come come, and she just ignored me,
and she was just going crazy. And at some points
I just paused and I thought to myself, like, she's
she's going a bit crazy right now. She's something's definitely
not okay. And so about often probably a minute of
me standing there shouting at her, I gave up and
I walked up to her and I grabbed her by
the collar. And the first thing I noticed when I
grabbed her by the collar was all the hair on
her neck felt fluffy. And so I looked down and
all the hair from the back of her head to
where her bone connects to her body, I mean her
tail connects to her body was just hair, all standing
up vertically. And that's when I paused to myself and
I was like, okay, I no, something is really off you. So,
without wanting to draw any attention again, she kept my
head down and I pulled her and walked back to
the driveway where my sister was standing waiting for us,
and I heard gravel crunching, so instinctively I looked up
and I saw what it first seemed to be a tall,
tall man with long gray hair wearing a white coat,
and so I assumed it was one of our old neighbors.
And so I agreeed to the person and I said, hey,
how are you? How's your night? As I said hey,
the thought person was about twenty meters away on the
opposite side of the road, and they had just gotten
in line with the empty plot as I said hey,
And I just remember watching this person fall face first,
not like they pushed themselves or they jumped. It literally
just stopped in their track and fell forward and didn't
flinch an armed, did anything. And I want to say
about when they were about thirty sent to me about
to hit the ground, I just watched these two front
legs pop out and just grab it almost just before
it was about to hit the floor, and that just
shook me. I just froze as soon as I saw that.
I just I was looking at this thing and I
was trying to assess what is this I was trying
to rationalize to myself. I was like, Okay, maybe it's
a leopard, and I'm looking at it and I'm but
it's pure white and it's got a short, fluffy tail.
And while I'm trying to analyze this, my sister notices
that I'm frozen, and she starts calling my name and
breaks my train of thought. But I'm still frozen, and
she's asking God, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I say
to her, do you see that over there? She comes
next to me and I can feel her putting her
head and shade like shifting it around next to me,
trying to see it. And she goes the white thing
and I said yes. She goes what is that? And
I said, just go get that? And she starts freaking out.
My sister's prone to having panic attacks, and she's freaking out,
and I'm trying to be stone with her because this
is a situation. I don't want her and I can
handle myself in it, I don't want my sister. I
start shouting it on Bella, just go get that. She
runs and she fetches my dad. Now I'm stuck there.
My dog's gone. I'm stuck there with this little cheapy flashlight,
and this dog man just posted up on the other
side of this road, and we were just both frozen
in place, kind of assessing each other. And I'm so
grateful I had those five minutes to myself because it
gave me time to properly assess the details of what
I was looking at from head to the tip of
the tail. And so I'll work you through it. The
first thing that caught my attention was the face. It
had black eyes, not sunken eyes. It it didn't look
like it was missing eyeballs. It definitely had eyeballs, but
they were black. I couldn't see any white. And then
it had this beautifully, almost perfectly circular shaped face with
these ears that came out on the top, but they
weren't they weren't as harshly pointed as like the Doberman
ears that a lot of people talk about. They were
a little bit curved at the top. And then I
saw little black nose and I couldn't see any details
on the teeth as the whole body was just white.
And so from there I kind of moved down and
the next thing that really caught my attention was the
size of this thing's main like it had this mass
of just fur from its from the back of its
head all the way down to its middle back, and
it kind of disappeared along the lads a bit, so
by the lads where you would imagine the front leg
would rub a lot, it was more shorter hair, and
then underbelly as well, and then the long hair continued
till about just where the chest if a human was
sitting down, like that where the chest would have ended.
But the main it was just I don't even know
how to describe it. It was just massive and luscious,
long white hair. And then onto the physique of this thing.
The best way I can describe it is had that
big chest with a very small waist, classic of like
a greyhound. But the muscular definition on this animal was
nothing I've ever seen before in my life. It was
like if you took if you took a greyhound and
came it the muscle mass of a football and then
put it to the size of a great day, That's
pretty much what I was looking at with a bit
of a longer body. And so once I figured out
this physique, I started paying attention to the smaller details
like the feet and the tail. And one thing that
caught me was the front I want to call them
hands were like perfectly flush on the floor, and then
the thumb was like a place higher than where it
would be on our human hands. So if you can
imagine your thumb on your hand, you could take it
off and put it a place higher. That's pretty much
where this thing's quote thumbs were. And then as I
moved towards the back pause, it looked there was a
little bit of finger definition in the different toes, but
it still had the main part of the foot still
had that classic canine shaped to it where it was
like squarish or rectangular, and that that caught me off
god a little bit because I was expecting both to
look the same. And then the tail wasn't excessively long.
If I were to put it into a ratio with
the length of the of the actual creature, I would
put it at about a fifth the length of its body,
made up for about a fifth of its total length.
And it was bushy and yeah. So for about five
minutes I just stood there looking at this thing and
taking in everything, And after a while I started to
notice that it was frozen there, almost in a self
defensive way, like I'm looking at this thing and I'm
assessing its body language and it's just completely still, but
it knows that I've seen it. So it was almost
as if though it was like a cat when they
turn their side to you and they lift their back.
It was just sat there assessing me. I think it
was almost processing like if I do if I do this,
it's going to retaliate like that, or I do this
is going to respond like that. And so when I
kind of came to that confusion that it was in
defense of mode, I just kind of stood still. I
didn't move fast, I didn't move at all, and I
just carried on taking it all in as much detail
as I possibly could. And then five minutes passed and
my dad came out that front door, out of the
open plan room. He came out and he's rushing. He's like,
what's wrong, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I'm like, do
you see that over there? My dad? Unfortunately, my dad
doesn't have the best eyesight, so even during the day,
so he squints his eyes and he's like, I can't
see it. And so I tell him, do you not
have a light And he says, I'll switch the car on,
he goes inside, he gets the car keys, and he
comes back out and I hear him click the keys
into ignition, and as soon as he turns it and
the engine started, that thing was gone. It just booked
it down the double empty plot. And funny enough, my
friend and I, Marcus, we went back a few days
later to measure the length of the plot and I
gave an estimation for how quickly it covered it, and
it was one hundred meters that it covered. To play
it safe, i'll say five seconds. Covered one hundred meters
in five seconds. And once we'd actually done the math
behind it, that's what shocked me. It is like, not
only is this thing strong, but it is built for
speed and agility, because the way it moved on across
that land like it's marsh, It's literal. It was just
a sewage river there. And that's why I was empty,
because nobody wanted to buy it, and it was just
this horrible, sloppy, muddy land and this thing just almost
like it was flying over. It just booked it and
was gone. And so with that concluded, my dad finally
got the car swung around, but he unfortunately missed it
and so he twitched off the car and he came
to me and he's like, what did you see? And
I briefly described him. I said, I saw this white
thing there. I don't know what it is, because at
the time I'm still like, even though I've taken time
to scan what it is, I don't quite know how
to just pop it up on my dad and be like, yeah,
I just saw a dog man. And so I just
explained to him, and he's like, okay, okay, just like,
don't tell any of your sisters. We don't want to
freak them out. And so we go back inside, we
lock up the house, dogs inside, and I go to bed.
But now, to give you a layout of the house,
my room window connects to the open plan study area.
That's the quote front door. So if you're outside and
the curtains are open for both windows, you can see
into my room and I can see to that, I
can see onto the driveway. And so at about eleven
o'clock that night, I decided, Okay, I'm gonna put my
phone down and I'm going to hit that and I
pretty much at first I fell asleep with my back
facing the window, and then I heard this this tap
on the outside window by the open plant thing, and
it was like a and it was just two and
then it paused for ten seconds, and then I heard
and it did that for about five to ten minutes.
As I was hearing this thing, I just slowly turned
around and I couldn't see anything through my window because
it was two curtains. The one that's in the study
was quite a see through one, and then my one
was a blackout curtain, so no matter where you are,
you're not going to see any shadows or anything through there.
So now I'm laying there and I'm facing my window
and I can hear this. And after about i'll call
it ten minutes, it went from two taps to and
then it would pause for ten seconds, and then it
would do three taps, pause for ten seconds. And at
first I was petrified. I was just thinking to myself,
the last thing I want to do is hear that
on my actual window. It's going, and I was going
and I was going, and it just didn't stop for
an hour, and eventually I just my younger self, I
thought I could take this thing on and I was
not getting annoyed, and I thought, okay, well, just a
little creature out just have a look and see what's happening.
And it's probably the one, the one of the biggest
mistakes I ended up making with this thing, because I
threw my curtains open and I looked outside and I
just saw this, this shadow and was standing oh at
least two and a half meters tall, and there was,
if you can picture, its right hand was up on
the window, and I saw the finger out and the
size of this thing. The thing that scared me most
was just the size of this thing's hand, Like if
you had to take an eighty four piece of paper,
this thing's hand would pretty much cover the entire paper.
And when I saw that, I just I literally lost
my breath, paused for a second, and then the sound
of me throwing the curtain open just stopped it. And
it almost froze there with its finger just barely touching
the glass. And I froze for a few seconds, and eventually,
I don't even know what I managed to snap out
of it, and I ran to my parents' room and
I woke my dad up, and I was like, hey, hey, hey,
something outside. We ran out and wasn't there, and so
we went back inside. We put the alarm on and
we didn't have anything from that night on. And then yeah,
for a few weeks after that. I mean, I obviously
told my friend Marcus and another friend whose name I'm
going to keep confidential. His name will call him Dale.
I told Marcus and Dale about these experience, this encounter
that I had, and at that time, these guys were excited.
They're like, Okay, there's something here, There's something for us
to explore, something exciting. And so from that night on
we went for night walks every single night in the
hopes of seeing this thing again. And every night, instead
of just me having the feeling of being watched, it
had now passed on to these two guys, and they
would feel like they were being watched. Whether we were
in a group or by ourselves, we were at nights
specifically constantly feeling like we were being watched. And so
fast forward about a week and a half of the
mind counter my friend Marcus. So let me backtrack there
for a few weeks just before I'd had mind Counter, myself,
Marcus and Dale we decided we're going to go on
a little exploit adventure and we're going to explore the place.
And we ended up coming across this massive empty plot
of land that was directly across the road from the
fire station and had these two big white pillars, had
this lurnal trail that went into what we call the forest,
but it's probably a bunch of thin trees with very
little branches and these on them, but they grow densely
together and they grow about four meters and high three
to four meters, and in between that is reeds and
thick bushes and leavy bushes. And so we discovered this place,
and how it works is you go past the white
pillars and there's about fifty meters of open grass, quite overgrown,
but it's still open. You walk down and then you
go around this big bush that grows over the pathway,
and as soon as you come around that bush, it's
just this heavy, heavy wavers be watched again. And we've
taken groups of people there. We've never told them about
the context behind this place, and they'll walk in there
and everyone will have the same reaction. Their hair will raise,
and you're just on high alert. And so you walk
through that part for about six hundred meters and you
come out and you go onto this open soundtrack where
it's properly open. It's sand with small bushes, and then
if you keep left, you eventually end up on the
soundtrack and you turn off, and then there's another forest,
like a proper forest, this time with the eucalyptus trees growing,
and you drop down into this river bed where it's
just rock and there's a little stream that flows through there.
So it's in our past four again. A week and
a half after my accountant, my friend Marcus decided he's
going to go for a walk and he's going to
go to that little stream because at the time we were
building a little fort and he just wanted to check
the place out and see how it was doing and
all these wonderful things. So he got through the forest, okay,
went into the sandtrack, dropped down into the river, and
as soon as he hit the stones, he heard what
sounded like water splashing off to his right, and he
saw this big white foam sitting on the stream, which
wasn't unusual. If you walk twenty meters up the stream,
there's that foam everywhere. So he assumed, okay, the water's
flashing and it's causing that foam, and he turned around
and took a few steps, and then he heard something
rise out of the waters like droplets, and he looked
and he watched the foam slowly your eyes and rose
to he said, at least two and a half meters,
And he said it stood there for a second or
two and then it just casually walked upstream and disappeared.
And now was the last he saw it. And this thing,
this creature, scared Marcus so bad that he wasn't going
to take any risks. He decided to take his knife
out and backtracked the whole eight hundred meters up the
river bank through the thick bush, and he did not
turn his back. He had his knife in his hands,
he was facing the direction of the stream, and he
just backed out of there. And so, yeah, Marcus very
shortly afterwards told me about his but his encounter, I'm
pretty sure it was that same day. And then yeah,
I mean again, we didn't have anything for about a
month or so, and unfortunately, during that period of a month,
one of the guys in our group, his mother unfortunately
passed away, and so we all went and had this
celebratory memorial like I don't know what you would call it,
dinner at one of the low at one of the
nearby villages towards the west, and it was five minutes away,
so we quickly drove down there. And we have what's
it's our regional road, the Affully four, and it runs
past the entrance of Pringle Bay and runs almost through
the small little town and then goes towards the big cities.
And so that night, this restaurant was right on the
edge of that road, so we decided, you know it,
at this time of night, this section of the road
is extremely we're gonna go for a night walk. So
it was myself, Marcus, two other guys, and then one
guy I'm not gonna mention his name, but i'll call
him Dale. Five of us made our way down and
we started walking down because the road dropped down across
a lagoon and then goes up the mountain again. So
we went walked down to this bridge, and the whole
time we're walking there, we're all feeling a bit off,
except for Dale. And one thing listeners need to know
about Dale. He is a very adrenaline seeking guy. He
really like. He would watch horror movies whenever he pleased
to have scary they were. He'd watch the scariest horror
movies and not not even jump once throughout the movie.
I'm not a horror movie fanatics, so I never understood it.
But he was always he was always seeking to go
that little step further to really put himself in that
situation where he was scared for a few seconds, just
so he could experience it. And so anyways, we were
all walking and the group of us all together like, ah,
what was that? And Dale is just ahead of us
on his own little mission leading us. And so eventually
we come down to the bridge and we stopped them,
and we're all talking and chatting, and Dale's off about
ten meters up the road and I'm talking. In the
next minute, everyone just runs And at first I thought
everyone was pranking me. So I'm running behind them barefoot,
laughing like ah, yeah, guys, is so funny. And after
about I would call it ten seconds of these guys running,
Eventually I clocked and I realized these guys aren't joking.
They are genuinely running away from something. And I don't
think I have ever reached the speed by foot that
quickly in my life. I just flew and I caught
up to everyone, and I took overtook the last two
guys and I was gone, and eventually we just ran
ran for probably a minute, and we get to the
entrance of the restaurant and everyone stops, and everyone's breathing, puffing, panting,
and everyone's asking each other like, why did you run
no Iran? Because Marcus ran Iran? Because I thought you
said something, and everyone's just confused. And I looked off
to the side and Dale is sitting at this table
and he's got his hands in his head. And one
thing you need to know about this guy is he
is not an emotional guy, to say the least. He
hardly ever sheds a tear. He doesn't really communicate about
his emotions. He's a very tough guy, I suppose you
could say, when it comes to emotions, he doesn't like
to express them too heavily. And we're like, hey, dude,
are you're good? And he looks up at us and
there's just tears running down his eyes and I remember
seeing that, and that's when I like, I just didn't
even know how to react because I was like, this
guy who's supposed to be the bravest one out of
all of us is sitting here with his hands and
his heads, crying like what did you see? So we
all ask him like, what did you see? What did
you see? And pretty much what happened to him was
when he was on his little excursion by himself, you
heard what sounded like if you take your nails and
you dragged them against the tow. He heard that just
coming at him with speed, and then it stopped about
four or five meters, and with the little moonlight that
was there, he could barely make out this face with
circular face, no ears, black eyes, and just he could
see it was baring its teeth at him. And he
said when he saw it, because when he was finally
able to see it, it was instant, because he had
to adjust for a second and use the moonlight to
see it. And when he finally saw it was just
a split second, like it was there. It wasn't like
over time the image came to him. It was the
thing was right there, and he booked it and he
ran and he didn't stop until we got back to light.
And that's pretty much what he told us that he
saw and encountered, and on that night on he slowly
but surely started going on night walks with us less
and less and then started distancing himself from us. And
now it's it's come to the point where your best
your best bets to get a hold of this guy
is to physically walk to his house and communicate with
him because he doesn't have social media, he barely answers
his phone, and he's really just to reclude. I don't know,
like he's kind of retreated to himself and now is
seeking shouter in himself for multiple reasons. But I think
the starting of it would have been this encounter, and
so after that we really didn't have anything for a
long time, not a long long time, and then far
forward to last year August. So last year, as I
mentioned early on, I was at a appier program in
Zimbabwe and I met one of my best mates at
the moment. His name is Angus mclaggan. Absolute legend of
a man. He's farmers, so he's quite tough. He doesn't
share his emotions a lot and isn't scared of a
lot of things. He generally seeks the adrenaline rush, similar
to Dale, but a lot more intensely, like he really
puts himself out there and whether it be a stupid thing,
whether it be a smart thing. He's always just trying
to put himself out there to get as much of
the adrenaline rush as possible. And so during our time
at quest, I built a very close bond with this man,
and eventually we got to the point where we were
free to open up to each other about anything. And
so eventually I opened up to him about my encounter,
and I opened up to him about that forest that
I mentioned early on, which we came up with a
nickname of skin walk of Forest, purely because of the
feeling that you get when you walk in there. It
feels like there's something there that shouldn't be there. And
so I told him all these stories, and as soon
as I was down, the first thing he said to
me is you need to take me there, And I said,
I refuse, and quite literally, it took us about half
an hour of going back and forth, and eventually we
came to a handshake deal and it was said that
I was going to take him to Skinwalker Forest when
the time came. While the time came in August that
he came to my house for the first time, and
it was about his second or his third night here,
and we had decided okay, we're going to take this guy.
But I wasn't entirely confident on going by myself with him.
So we went to Marcus's house, and when Marcus heard
what we were trying to do, he was he just
looked at me like we were crazy people. Looked at
us like we were crazy people. And I stood there
and I was in one hundred percent agreement with and
I was like, dude, I do not want to do this.
But I made a deal. And so Marcus kind of
just grabs his brother, his friend's younger brother, and like,
here you could take him. And the younger brother's name
is Carlin. We asked Colin, do you want to come
with and he's like, Josh shall come with you guys.
And so we bought him with more more the intention
of having a sacrifice rather than a third person. And
so we get to this to the pillars, and everyone's
kind of now the nerves are up, senses are getting heightened,
and Angus decided he's going to take the lead. He
takes the lead. I'm behind him with the phone lights.
He's in the front with a knife, and Colin's at
the back again for sacrifice or for beck. So we're
carrying out walking and as soon as we come around
that bush, Angus just freezes and he's like, you were
not lying, And I'd laughed at him and I said,
what did I tell you? This place is not a joke.
And I was like, we can still go back. No, no,
he wants to go forward, So we pursue on forward
we go. And how the how the over the growth
of this place works is you have about ten meters
where you can walk freely and there's no bushes growing over,
and then all of a sudden you'll hit this wall
of bushes and it's about three to five meters wide,
and you've got to wind and twist through these bushes,
under the leaves, pass the thorns, and come through on
the other end. And then you've got another ten meters
of freeway. And every time we came up to one
of those thick I'm going to call them walls of bushes,
I would tell the boys stop, which she lights. They're quiet,
don't move, And we would always, always, every single and
there's about six of them that you walk past. Every
single time we would hear something walking just on the
other side of these bushes and just out of the
reach of our lights. I mean, at one point I
put the phone light on it and we saw the
bush flick from whatever it brushed it, but we didn't
see what brushed it. And now we're walking and we're
pushing through. About halfway through, Angus stops and he's like,
do you guys hear that? And I said no, and
Colic goes, no, what are you talking about? And Angus
at that point made it obvious that there was no sound.
There was no wind, there was no frogs, there was
no birds, there was nothing. And there's a stream that
flows and I cannot emphasize this enough right next to
the park, like if you step to the right, you
fall into the stream. So there should have been frogs
going to say the least, not a single chirp, not anything.
So we push on and come out on the soundtrack,
and Angus is now like, come, I want to go
to that river, and I said, ah, this is where
I draw the line. So eventually, after me standing my ground,
we turn around and we go back in and we
make it through. We get out the other side and
myself in Collins sprint and Angus is walking. He comes
up to us and he's like, well that was quite uneventful,
and so he asks us, well, what more can I
do to get a better experience? And so me and
Coleb kind of looked at each other and we're trying
to think, and we're like, okay, one thing that we
never do is we never talk into the dark, and
we never whistle into the dark. And Angus, being the
very smart lad that he is, decides he's going to
stand there and whistle into the darkness. And so he
starts whistling and whistling, and he's standing right there by
these white pillars. He's whistling, and eventually he against the
courage to leave the pillars and he walks about five
meters past, whistles, whistles ten meters fifteen meters. Eventually he
gets to about twenty five to thirty meters away from
these pillars. Now he's standing if me, if myself and
callar by looking at him. He's looking to our left
and the road that we need to run down is
on the left. He's in front of us face on
the left, and to our right, which is behind him,
is this massive bush, thick bush that is almost it
connects to the forest, but barely. And he's sitting there
and he's whistling, and he's whistling, and the next minute
he just like I heard this slight, slight sound of
what I could assume was a thud, and I just
see angers fall down and he stands up and he shouts,
but he shouts from the back of his throat like
a genuine survival scream, not that I'm scared scream, like
a this is survival. And when I heard that come
out of him, I swear I saul left my body
because I've never heard the guy shout like that, and
I've been made to him for a year. We've been
in the African bush, We've been out at night with
lions and elephants, and I have never heard that guy
scream like that before. And he screamed like that, I
knew something had happened. So we book it and we
run down the road myself in colar bar It. We
start off probably one hundred meters in front of him,
werein twelve seconds, he's passed us. He's really scared, so
he runs and myself would call us start waving him down,
like hey, what happened? And he comes up to us
and he's like, did you not hear that, and I
was like, I think I did, but I don't know what.
And he said it sounded like something had hit the
ground or like punched the ground or stump the ground
right behind where he was, and he said he just
lost it and he ran. And so now we're all
through standing there like okay, cool, we got to get back.
And as soon as we say that, Angus checks his
pockets and his phone's not there. So now we have
to go back and he has to get his phone.
Keep in mind, myself and calemb again we were scarty cats,
and we stayed on the road and we let him
walk off to get his phone by himself. Came back
and we started making our way back home. Now, on
our way back home, Carlub about one hundred meters down
the road, points out to the right and he's like, Angus,
do you want to look for something? As goes y'ah,
so get you get your headlamp and scan this area
that has a view of the whole forest. Cool. Angus
jumps up there. He gets his high power to headlamp,
scanning left to right and left to right. Now a
bit of context about this man. He's been hunting for
ten years he's shot well over three or four hundred animals.
He's hunted at night. He knows what different animals are
shines look like, so he's very experienced when it comes
to knowing animals and what signs their show. So he's
not scanning, scanning, And I'm standing on the road and
I watched him scan and he pauses directly in front
of him, and from his view, he's scanning over marshland
and then there's thick bush on the other bank of
the marshland, and he scanned, and as soon as he
hit this one major bush on his left hand side
of the bush, there was a head that was poking
out and it was he said, reflecting forward slash emitting
this weird. He hasn't been able to describe it to me,
but this this unnatural tone of yellow and it was
just a pale, skinless, i mean furless, hairless face with
these yellow reflecting eyes just staring at him from the
behind this bush. And when he saw that, he shouted
again at that same shout that I heard, and we
all just booked it and we ran and we ran
and we ran, and we probably ran around eight hundred meters,
just didn't stop. Went, went, went, went, and then eventually
we stopped and we've still got a long way to
my house. So we decided, okay, we're going to play
it safe. We're just gonna walk. And the whole walk
back home, myself, Angus and Carlom we were verbalizing to
each other, communicating to each other about the strength of
this feeling that something is right behind us, to the
point where it feels like it's it's posed of physically
touching our heels and its chest is up on our back.
And whenever we would start talking about it, we'd count
down and we'd swing around and we look and there
was nothing there, and we'd Karen walking in about five
seconds later be right back there, and it was it
was just such an intense feeling that all of us
were freaking out and we're trying to stay calm, but
you can see on the other person's face it's like
this is not okay. And eventually we we didn't even
bother dropping Carlo buff we said, you can walk home.
Your house is right there, and we're going to walk home.
And we walked home, and that was us, that was
us for the Knights, and yeah, that's that's pretty much
all the encounters and stories that I have from bringle.
Speaker 2: Bat, well, those are quite a few encounters. One encounter
is more than enough. You've really been into it neck deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have, and unfortunately I feel like I dragged
my mates into it. But I suppose that's that's what
they're for.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have had an experience, I guess it
is better to have people with you in. Listening to
you describe how your mates are, sounds like they're pretty
much up for a challenge and that's what you gave them,
so hopefully them will hold that against you or anything.
Although it sounds to me like Marcus isn't doing all
that well. Well, I'm sorry. Dale. Sounds to me like
Dale's not doing all that well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dale's so Dale's not doing all that well. And
I found out, actually quite recently, that it's not just
the event that happened that that caused him to distance himself.
It was a few other things as well as him
being quite strong in his religion and disagreeing with a
few of the aspects that we were doing. And obviously
one of them was going out and looking for these
these unknown things that in his mind shouldn't be meddled
with they should just be left alone, and so combination
of things. But one of the reasonings was that night
and just disagreement of those kind of those kind of beings.
If I can say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds to me like he's convinced that what
he saw was a spiritual creature, a supernatural being. What
do you think. Do you think white Man is a
flesh and blood creature or do you think he's supernatural
as well?
Speaker 1: Again, I've I've only I've only seen it seen white
Man once, so I can't really go off much. But
my guess would have to be that it's it's a
flesh and blood because the between myself and Dale, our
encounters were quite quite key characteristics of a lot of
predatory animals. So when Dale had his encounter, it almost
seemed like a bit of a mock charge and it
came at him and then stopped in front of him,
And my encounter was like it was sitting there defensively watching,
waiting for him to do something. I feel like had
it have been a spiritual thing, there would have been
a lot a lot more evil intent behind it. I
feel like with Dale's thing, it would have chased him
and possibly like done something physically to him, or less
so physically, would have followed him home that night or
something to that effect. But that was the only encounter
that he had. And just yeah, I suppose if it
was a spiritual thing, again, it would have been everywhere,
but it wasn't. It was only ever outside that we
had these kind of things, and it was only ever
in places where it had scape routes. So in my
mind I personally believed that it was a flesh and
blood creature.
Speaker 2: Well, it's understandable why you might think that, and you
could very easily be right about that. That's one of
the things about this little dog mean topic. There are
so many people who are convinced that they have to
be flesh and blood, and you've got quite a few
people also, on the other hand, do they swear up
and down with their supernatural beings. My opinion on the
matter is you might have both. You might have some
dogmen over here they are flesh and blood creatures and
other dog men are supernatural beings. But that's one of
those things that all we can do is just debate
about it. That's all we can do. But having said that,
I've got a ton of questions for you, A Kai,
would you be interested in coming back to do a
part two A Q and A.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: Oh great, Well, what we'll do is we'll just set
that up and get that scheduled in. We'll do that
Q and A then, but until then, thanks again so
much for coming on to tell us about these experiences,
and I hope you have a great night.
Speaker 1: An English