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the post war era. That is, push against what people

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find acceptable. Push as hard as you can, and if

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people don't react, keep pushing, keep provoking, keep provoking the categories, keep.

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Speaker 1: People react too strongly, then say no, no, no, it's ambiguous.

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That then open up the ambiguity, say that's not what

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we meant, that's not what we're actually referencing, you know,

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open up the space so that you don't have an

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enemy to punch. And it's all very fluid and all

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very very ambiguous. And then but what you want is

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to find just enough reaction to be able to wedge.

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it's even better. So then you can wedge and you

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can create two sides, and you can force people to

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take your side and then force people to be against you.

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the same time, it's even better because then you can say,

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they have no reason to attack us. Look at how

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defenseless we are, look at how we're victims. You know this,

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they misunderstood us. And although they misunderstood us, they're attacking

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us anyways, and so now you know, we feel morally

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justified to continue to push. And so this is exactly

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what we're seeing. You know, when you look at the

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boxing match, it.

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Speaker 3: Is this is Jonathan Peeshel, Welcome to the symbolic world.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone.

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Speaker 1: With the surprising success of highlights video on the Olympics

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and the opening ceremony, you know, I wasn't thinking that

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I'd be making videos on the Olympics, but because there

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are other things going on with the whole question of

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the male female boxing situation that is happening, and I'm

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seeing that explode as well. And I'm also noticing that

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for many people, things are a little confusing and they're

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not certain, you know, what is happening and why all

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this is happening. But there's a direct relationship between what

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happened at the opening ceremony and the controversy that's going

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on with the female boxing situation, and so I thought

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that it would be a good idea to talk about it,

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you know, maybe to help people understand the general situation

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and you know that it's not just really about male

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to female boxing, but that there are bigger things at stake,

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and so as you can see, I am I'm not

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in my usual place. I'm actually right now on the

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island of Samos. I'm here for Ralston College. All you

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young people in your twenties, if you don't know about

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Ralston College, you should definitely check it out. It is

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one of the great things happening in our world today,

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something that is giving us hope, giving me hope, and

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so I'm really happy to be here to support them.

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Speaker 2: In any way that I can.

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Speaker 1: And so one of the things that happened during the

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UH during the opening ceremony was a celebration of gender ambiguity.

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Speaker 2: And so that is what we talked.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the reference of the you know, the

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whole gender problem that happened, the fact that there's contessation

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about whether or not it was the last suffer, whether

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it's just the feast of Dionysus, you know, and all

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these people fighting over that has to do with the

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question of ambiguity. It's an image of the drag queen

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themselves as an image of ambiguity, and how ambiguity call

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is a drift between categories and causes confusion and a

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that uncertainty and you can force people to take one

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Speaker 2: The other of a question.

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Speaker 1: That is of course the culture war, and we're seeing

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Speaker 1: Now, what I hope to do is to maybe help

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Speaker 1: But we have to be careful not to be roped

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in and seduced by our anger into our into these

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ambiguity that is being celebrated. It is, of course the

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ambiguity of Carnival and the drag Queen is a great

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example of ambiguity. By showing a person that has ambiguous characteristics,

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you are forcing people in there. Let's say, it makes

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reality fluid, really in the way that the rainbow people

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talk about. It creates a fluid reality to you, a

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puzzle to you. Right, So you have a being that

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presents itself to you that is showing you different characteristics

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Speaker 2: It does it.

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Speaker 1: It's not part of our discourse. It just is just

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you know, experience reality. But when something ambiguous presents itself

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to you like a sphinx, right, this is the whole

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idea of the enigma.

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Speaker 2: Of the sphinx.

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decide what it is that is facing you. And because

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that are ambiguous, it forces you to decide. And when

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powerful tool to bring about political change and to force

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people to take sides and something that they never would

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have take sides in. You know, think about the question

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of gendered bathrooms twenty years ago or thirty years ago

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queens thirty years ago. It's not like the idea of

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mere reflection, the exact mirror reflection of what happened in

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Speaker 2: Look at the issue.

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Speaker 2: That are female, or at least the way they dress.

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sphere in a situation where someone is beating on someone else,

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their own gender and that you know, gender is a

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social contract, etcetera, etcetera on this side, or whether you

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at least one of them, the Algerian boxer, is truly ambiguous, right,

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the organization that had judged that this person was not

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eligible for boxing. We're being told by you know, the

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when you hear you have to be able to see

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how things are stuck together on one side of the political

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war in order to make you realize which side you

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Speaker 2: And it's unconscious for some people.

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this that the gender of the person is decided by

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what is on their passport. Uh, and that it's a

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Speaker 1: Then I see nationalism, Russia, right wing, and then I

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Speaker 2: All of that stuff. And then I know which which

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Speaker 1: I know, and people don't do it on purpose again

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most of them, but then I immediately intuitively know which

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Speaker 2: And it truly is the case.

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Speaker 1: Because it's interesting that the press has been announced. The

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so it means that now all the countries that believe

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be permitted to fight or to do whatever they want

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a bully, is excluding, is whatever, transphobic and all the

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Speaker 2: You want to use. But this was already.

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Here's a tableau. It looks like Leonardo da Vinci's last supper.

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Some people have said that it references Leonardo da Vinci's

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last supper in the organization, some of the people in

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the tableau themselves, even the organization mentioned that, and then

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all of a sudden they're saying, well, no, it's not.

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It's actually referencing this other painting that is the feast

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of Dionysus. So create ambiguity and now force people to

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take sides. And then what happens is you create that

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divide in the cultural war. Some people will take the

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right wing sides, some people will take the left wing side,

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and everybody will feel like they're completely justified. But that

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is the uh that has been in some ways the tool,

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and now I am going to take sides myself to

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some extent that has been the tool of the left

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wing since the post war era. That is, push against

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what people find acceptable. Push as hard as you can,

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and if people don't react, keep pushing, keep provoking, keep

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provoking the categories, keep pushing.

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Speaker 2: Against people's standards.

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Speaker 1: And then when people react too strongly, then say no, no, no,

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it's ambiguous. That then open up the ambiguity, say that's

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not what we meant, that's not what we're actually referencing,

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you know, open up the space so that you don't

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have an enemy to punch. And it's all very fluid

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and all very very ambiguous. And then but what you

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want is to find just enough reaction to be able

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to wedge and if you can wedge in gaslight at the.

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Speaker 2: Same time, it's even better.

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Speaker 1: So then you can wedge and you can create two sides,

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and you can force people to take your side and

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then force people to be against you.

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Speaker 2: And then, like I said.

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Speaker 1: If you can gaslight at the same time, it's even

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better because then you can say, they have no reason

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to attack us. Look at how defenseless we are, look

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at how we're victims. You know this, they misunderstood us,

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and even though and although they misunderstood us, they're attacking

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us anyways. And so now you know, we feel morally

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justified to continue to push. And so this is exactly

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what we're seeing, you know, when you look at the

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boxing match, it is you know, and also because we've

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seen it in other sports already.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you guys.

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Speaker 1: Remember in MMA, there was a fighter fell in Fox

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who was a man who transitioned to be a woman

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and was beating the crap out of out of women,

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and that created so much controversy. And now we feel

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like there is a repetition. But now this repetition is,

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you know, and it's too bad because this person and

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like the person that's involved in this this box are.

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And I'm not going to name names because they don't

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want to. I mean, you know what their names are.

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But I don't want to participate in this. It's not

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their fault, like it's not this person's fault. You know,

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they're just a regular person from Algeria trying. You know,

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she's just trying to make her way in sports. Possibly

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she should have not been allowed to participate. I'm not

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an expert. I don't know, but that's the thing. That's

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the whole thing about the ambiguity of the situation, the

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fact that one organization has vanned her and another organization

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is letting her in.

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Speaker 2: But the quality of those organizations is important.

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Speaker 1: To see that all it is is a continuation of

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the culture war, and so you know, I would say

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it's important to see this. It's important to be able

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to see so that you can keep thinking because one

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of the problems, and I see it happen every time,

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is that people just take side to take side. They

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actually stopped thinking about why they're taking decide. They're thinking

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they just have a way to associate certain things together

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and then and then they just take political sides and

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then fight their enemy, and it prevents thought it makes

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people stop thinking about the actual issues.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like you can you can, for example, be against

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the war in Ukraine and still agree with some Russian

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organization's judgment that these people shouldn't fight. But the fact

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that we say that in the news, that it's related

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to Russian is because someone is trying to stick it

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all together. Someone is trying to make you react in

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a way that if you're against the war in Ukraine,

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therefore you should be against this organization and you should

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be for this other, you know, organization. And that's why

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we have to be careful and notice these strategies, and

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the strategies, by the way, are used by both sides,

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let's be honest. And so we have to be able

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to be attentive and to be able to continue to think.

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But one of the problem is the problem of ambiguity,

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which is that because things are set up in a

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way to celebrate ambiguity, makes it very difficult to think.

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Speaker 2: Because we're not experts, we don't know. But we see

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that the.

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Speaker 1: Olympics are saying anybody who puts a certain gender have

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a certain gender on their passport. They're communicating that to

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us that they'll be able to participate in women's sports,

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and so it feels like, can I say that it

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feels like what we're seeing is the slow disappearance of

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women's sports.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not actually that interested in the subject of sports,

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but what we're seeing. The biggest surprise in all of

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these questions is how ultimately.

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Speaker 2: A lot of these issues.

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Speaker 1: And these ambiguities will force the world to decide and

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it will recreate a rather strong manifestation of gender. Even

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if it is men who come in to the ring,

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you know, or male types who come into the ring

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who are feet or women but are male in their

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presentation and.

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Speaker 2: Everything about them looks male.

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Speaker 1: That now you see these these characters beat up women,

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what it will do ultimately is reify the notion of gender,

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reify the difference between men and women.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: It might take a little while, it might be a

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little bit of a roundabout time for us, but that

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is the last That is the inevitable situation we'll find

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ourselves in, because the reaction that you have of watching

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a man beat a woman is a very deep, deep

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one that it will be difficult to suppress in people,

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and even if we accept consciously and people accept consciously

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that oh, it's really they're both women and that you know,

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it'll still reify that there is such a thing as

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masculine characteristics, and those masculine characteristics they have an effect

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in the world, and there's a reason why we separate

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men from women. Even if whatever chever side you take,

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that is the final path towards which this will lead.

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We might see a lot of chaos in between, but

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that is definitely where all of this will end up.

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And so hopefully this is good to help you think

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a little bit and to consider and to not let

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yourself just be taken up by emotions, but be able

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to think through these issues and to notice the strategies

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that are being used in order to create narrative. We

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need narratives, but we have to be attentive and recognize

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the narrative because sometimes narratives are very useful for political control,

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and we want to be as clear minded as possible

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as we see the story that's being presented to us.

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Speaker 2: So I hope it's been useful to everyone.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to go to symbolic world dot com and

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become a member if possible. We are getting ready Richard

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Rowland and I to start Purgatory Dante Purgatorio. We just

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finished Inferno about a month ago and it was amazing,

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just so much insight.

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Speaker 2: Coming out of this class.

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Speaker 1: And although people don't know Purgatorio so much, it's actually

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where a lot of the meat of you know, the

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thing that's the most applicable to your life, and how

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to understand how Dante's comedy can apply to your everyday life.

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Speaker 2: It is in Purgatorio. So come join us as we ascend.

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Speaker 1: The mountain of Purgatory, and for everybody else, we'll talk

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to you very soon.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,