WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.799 Meaning a light Man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:06.240 his wing. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:07.360 They've bound in a force. 4 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.240 Man, it gonna cause a tree fall, letting five thousand 5 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:10.839 miles away. 6 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:18.280 Man, nobody see Nobody else might see that. You don't 7 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:19.480 need know it. Man, we don't. 8 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:22.559 They'd like you followed another story and you got back 9 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:23.160 to like that. 10 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.480 That's the man got back to na on the Panama Man. 11 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.320 Now you don't bag no matter, man, okay. 12 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.159 In one of my recent episodes, we talked about the 13 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:43.159 system of social control the wizardgree that they use to 14 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:47.479 control public opinion. But something that we didn't get into 15 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.200 that really stuck in my mind is well, what do 16 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.759 you do when there's not one unified public to control? 17 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.759 When there's no real cultural consensus. Society has been so 18 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:04.400 fracture due to changing demographics the Internet age, that becomes 19 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:09.120 very difficult to have a unified narrative on anything. We 20 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:13.319 see this quite often in criminal cases. The murder of 21 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:17.200 Austin Metcalf by Carmelo Anthony is a classic example that 22 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:22.319 concept of self defense a trial by your peers. It's cultural, 23 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:27.000 it is contextual, and it falls apart when people don't 24 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:31.359 have the same cultural ties, and this is something I've 25 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:35.000 noticed for a while in my mind. The last real 26 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:39.200 top down narrative push was the pandemic. It was quite 27 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:43.200 clear what the official narrative was. And ever since then, 28 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.680 any one of the big pushes, the times where they 29 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.359 really tried to all get us to think the same thing, 30 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.079 well it's fizzled. And maybe part of that is the 31 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.879 pandemic that many people, whether they have a particularly sophisticated 32 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.439 system or not realized all at once that well, whatever 33 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:06.599 they're telling me, it's probably not true. But I think 34 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.400 there's another element, which is simply we are too disunited 35 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.360 of a country. There is not one pop culture. There 36 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:18.280 are millions of different subcultures. Some of them are simply 37 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:23.159 aesthetic y two k fashion goths, the sort of stuff 38 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.360 that would kind of make sense in a John Hughes movie, 39 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:30.080 just amplified by social media. But also, well, if people 40 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.520 don't even speak the same language, don't have the same holidays, 41 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:38.159 don't have the same culture, how could we expect them 42 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.560 to have the same opinion on anything. This is one 43 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:46.639 of the suicidal parts of multiculturalism, and the deep irony 44 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.439 is that it is boast the weapons that our elites 45 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.520 are using against us, and also something which seems to 46 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.319 be dooming their project to failure. Tower of Babel Babel, 47 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.400 depending on how you say it, is sort of an 48 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:03.280 interesting example of this. This isn't Bible thumping. You can 49 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.360 treat it as a mythic story and see exactly the 50 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.719 point I'm about to make, this grand world spanning project, 51 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:15.680 the tower that will reach to Heaven ultimately, Falters men 52 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.560 are divided given their different tongues, the idea that they're 53 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.840 going to create this one world system or that they 54 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:27.560 are going to create this totalizing system of control. Well, 55 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.759 human nature rebels against that, Entropy rebels against that, and 56 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:35.120 both of those are things we can't manage our way 57 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.919 out of, despite our best attempts to do so. And look, 58 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.479 that doesn't mean things will be particularly pleasant or fun. 59 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.840 Entropy is a very real thing, but I don't think 60 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:52.680 they can pull it off. Seemingly, they've already lost the 61 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.680 level of narrative control they had ten let alone twenty 62 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.719 years ago. For all of the reason that I laid 63 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.840 out today's episode is with a stalwart Tim Kelly of 64 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.039 our interesting times, a man you've no doubt heard before, 65 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.479 been around for a long time, ten years plus or minus. 66 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:15.400 In fact, I've been an interview on a show and 67 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.560 I had one of his co hosts, Joe Atwell, on 68 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.120 not too long ago. I remember where I was the 69 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.079 first time I heard his podcast with Pete Conyonez, probably 70 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:29.519 five or six years ago now. But he does good work. 71 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.759 He's interesting thinker, and I think that this is a 72 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.879 productive conversation poking around that what are they going to 73 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.920 do as culture crumbles, because it is both a weapon, 74 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:45.600 as I've said, but also they move through those waters. 75 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.160 They need social cohesion so that when they push culture 76 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.839 one way, it all goes. It's sort of like you're 77 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.600 trying to push a bag of sand across the floor, 78 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.360 versus you've turned that bag over, there's nothing contain it, 79 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.279 constraining it. Try to move the same number of grains 80 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.839 of sand. It's a much messier, much more difficult process, 81 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.879 especially in time in which they are getting less competent. 82 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.959 They are doing worse this sort of push pull that 83 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.720 has kept competent people out of government as ham stringing them. 84 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:22.480 It's an interesting thing that multiple trend lines moving at once. 85 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.120 And let's be honest, this is also a funny episode 86 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.240 it's not really mostly about jokes, but Tim, he's he's 87 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:34.680 a good time a clever guysout further Ado. Let's get 88 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:37.319 into the episode as per usual. If you want the 89 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:40.560 episodes early in ad free throw me a few bucks Patreon, 90 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.879 Substack or gum Road. Check out our sponsor, Axios Remote 91 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.800 Fitness and Coaching, an app I use almost daily. Great 92 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.680 guy there, JD who runs it. You should give him 93 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.560 your money and uh hey you'll get fit, which is 94 00:05:55.160 --> 00:06:00.959 probably something you guys need. Anyway, here's Tim. All right, 95 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.000 Tim Kelly, welcome to the Jay Burdon Show How You 96 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:03.199 Do It? 97 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.040 Man? Well, thanks for having me on. 98 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.120 Yeah, I'm glad to have you on. I was on 99 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.560 your program. I mean I was gonna say not too 100 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.680 long ago, but time flies on the internet. It's been 101 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.040 longer than I thought. And obviously I had your co 102 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:20.319 host on not too long ago. So I'm really glad 103 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:20.800 to have you on. 104 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:21.079 Man. 105 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.800 It's funny. I was talking about this, you know, because 106 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.040 I got a little Maudlin hit, you know, the five 107 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:28.920 hundredth episode, and I was thinking, like, you know what 108 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:29.720 got me here? 109 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.600 And a cheeze. 110 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.879 It would have been four years ago, but you had 111 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.600 done an episode with Pete during the whole you know, 112 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.879 pandemic situation. And it's been years. I don't even know 113 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.040 what episode it is, but I remember exactly where I 114 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.480 was listening to that right before I started. And so 115 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:49.399 I've been listening to your work for a long time 116 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:50.639 and I'm real glad to have you on. 117 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:56.800 Oh, thank you the uh I guess uh entertaining you 118 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.160 for well. 119 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.959 Yeah, it's an interesting thing that you know, people always have, 120 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:07.360 you know, where were you when JFK was shot and 121 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.759 all that? And you know, the version for our guys is, well, 122 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.519 where were you when X y Z racist podcasts happened? 123 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:14.079 You know? 124 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:19.160 And I was at an absolutely horrible industrial park and 125 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.000 the bad side of Richmond. Wouldn't recommend it, But we're 126 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.040 not here merely to reminisce. Before we got started, you 127 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.439 and I were talking covered a number of subjects, but 128 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.199 you mentioned this phrase that I'd never heard before that 129 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:37.720 I really liked, the hollow state, which I think comprises 130 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:39.879 a couple of different ideas that a lot of people 131 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.959 have felt are kind of thrown around. And so I'm curious, Tim, 132 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:45.160 what does this term meant? 133 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.720 Well, I didn't coin it. I happened to come across 134 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:54.279 it and just serendipitously you asked the question. I said, well, 135 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.000 you know what you know about the idea of the 136 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.279 lack of narrative and some of the big events, the 137 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.040 inability forgover to explain itself and just to not incline 138 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.480 to provide narratives what they're do anymore. It's just that 139 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.959 they're all over the place, and I surmise that might 140 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.079 be one of the things why we have this is 141 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.800 a hollow state. They don't preside over a cohesive people anymore. 142 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.920 It's been atomized. The nation state has been shattered or 143 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.720 sort of been transcended by globalism and those who enforce it, 144 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.120 those those groups that enforce it or have created it. 145 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.439 And so there are politicians who don't really represent us, 146 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.720 are inclined to even have to justify their actions anymore, 147 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.039 and they don't have They don't have a they don't 148 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:42.799 have a cohesive people who are have enough time to 149 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.360 pay attention or inclined to pay attention, or to have 150 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.759 a clear thought or to have They don't think that 151 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.879 the public has an intention span that requires narratives at 152 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.440 least to have some pretext or some basis in truth 153 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:00.399 or reality in the past, I mean, the things that 154 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.440 governments do, particularly wars and some of the particularly the 155 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.440 crises that we've been confronted with in the twentieth century, 156 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.440 they're never really the what they what they're marketed as. 157 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.360 And the governments are never doing things for the reasons 158 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.720 that they that they retailed to the public. You know, 159 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.120 pick any war out in the past, you know, since 160 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.320 I don't know, since nineteen hundred or eighteen ninety eight, 161 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:28.360 it's never really for what it's for. I mean, we 162 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.960 didn't go to war with Spain over the main that 163 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:31.879 was the pretext. 164 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:36.120 Of course. We didn't enter World War One to make. 165 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:40.240 The world safe for democracy, order to check Teutonic tyranny 166 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:44.120 or whatever. We didn't enter World War two to stop Hitler, 167 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.879 or in a sense we did, but we Hitler had 168 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:50.279 to be stopped for reasons that weren't there, weren't retail 169 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.919 to the public. We didn't get into Career or Vietnam 170 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:56.440 for the reasons that they said we did. 171 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:56.720 Right. 172 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:58.720 In fact, you know, there was a Gulf of Tonkin 173 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.480 instant that never occurred. Of course, in the nineteen sixties, 174 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:07.080 I've quipped that in the nineteen sixties, there was a naval incident, 175 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:10.600 an incident, see that didn't happen which led to a 176 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:11.480 full scale war. 177 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.080 Then there was an attack against US ships, it didn't 178 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.320 lead to a war or something referring to the US 179 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:17.559 as liberty incident. 180 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.840 So and of course we can talk about, you know, 181 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:26.320 the the Gulf War nineteen ninety or even that two 182 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:32.000 thousand and three Iraq war, and of course this current excursion, 183 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.159 one hundred day excursion against Iraq, I mean Iran, rather 184 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.919 not for what it remember, it's not it wasn't started. 185 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:46.679 For what for the reasons that the well, actually they 186 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.120 did kind of admit it originally, didn't. 187 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:51.799 They say that they we attacked because Israel was going 188 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.000 to attack, so we had to attack preemptively or something. 189 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.279 And then these other narrators started popping up. So that's 190 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.200 that's kind of what. So there's no reasonability to have 191 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:06.080 to present a coherent narrative to these things because the nations, 192 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:12.200 particularly America, is so shattered that it's just possis don't 193 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.519 feel the need to it anymore, you know. 194 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:17.879 Well, definitely, and I realized this is going to date 195 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:23.279 this horribly when inevitably we're plunged into nuclear fire, you know, 196 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:27.360 fifteen minutes after this episode is public. But I just 197 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.159 got a text message and then confirmed. It seems as 198 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:35.080 if both Trump and the Iranian president have signed whatever 199 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.919 peace deal will conclude this not real war. I think 200 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:44.600 that what's interesting is like you look at Vietnam, right, 201 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.039 and there is there's an official narrative, right, there's an explanation, 202 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.720 and there's a delta between that and what actually happened, right, 203 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.440 And then maybe this is just a recency bias, you know, 204 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.759 what I've lived through. But when I look at things 205 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.240 like you know, the Vegas shooting or you know, the 206 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:10.080 attempted assassination of Trump in Butler, PA, it seems as 207 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:14.159 if the official narrative is basically just to forget about it. 208 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.879 There's no real explanation. I mean, I think the nominal 209 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.919 explanation for you know, Vegas is, of course, you know, 210 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.159 Paddick and Curb gambling debts and so decided to shoot 211 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.840 people who weren't in the casino, you know. Or in Butler, 212 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.279 it seems to just be he was angry, which you know, 213 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.320 I assume that's at least part of it. You know, 214 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.399 that seems to stand to reason, but it doesn't quite 215 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:43.159 explain the whole situation and the point about you know, 216 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.159 the actual like people who make up a nation fracturing. 217 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.519 I mean, this is something I noticed. I've told this 218 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.039 story before, but you know, a few months back, I 219 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:53.399 was having a conversation with my wife and my grandmother 220 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.200 and she asked me, you know, well, what kind of 221 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.200 music to people your age listen to? Which you know, 222 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.799 on its face a perfectly sensible question, but it's actually 223 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:08.000 one that's quite difficult to answer because of music streaming 224 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.159 apps and algorithms. Because you know, tim, you may have 225 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.360 a song that for you is the you know, the 226 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.600 summer of nineteen ninety six, you know the song that 227 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.039 you hear and it takes you right back. You know, 228 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.480 it was everywhere, And yeah, sure I do too, for 229 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.519 you know, when I was in college or whatever. But 230 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.320 that song wasn't on the radio, it wasn't centralized. It 231 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.240 was whatever the algorithm decided to feed me and the 232 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.559 ten kids next to me walking through the halls or 233 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.320 listening to something completely and totally different. And that's that's 234 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.679 a very innocuous version. You know, all of those ten 235 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.440 kids may well have you know, had very similar cultural 236 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.720 and genetic groups that I did. And that's simply the 237 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.600 kind of disintegration of culture, let alone, right, the fallout 238 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:54.279 of multiculturalism, which is, well, they have no culture in 239 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.480 common whatsoever. You know, it seems that this kind of 240 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.799 strip culture America, you know, where every one simply comes 241 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:04.000 to make money, Well it's really only that it's this 242 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.360 sort of you know, commercial zone, and the only thing 243 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.960 people are at least phenominally linked by is like the 244 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.440 worship of the US dollar. And that doesn't seem to 245 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.279 bind the culture enough to even deserve a narrative, if 246 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:19.600 I'm not stretching too much. 247 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.399 Tim Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because there's no shared 248 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.440 culture that no, but that I share cultures, no shared values. 249 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:31.559 And had you had you governors society like that, really 250 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:36.840 well you do it through trauma, fear and constant diversion 251 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.399 and just so there's no yeah, So, I mean that's 252 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:47.279 this was something that Walter Littmann wrote a bat in 253 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.360 the early part of the twentieth century, even as early 254 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:53.360 as nineteen twenty one, that America was too complex to 255 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.399 govern under Jeffersonian principles. So it was the job of 256 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:05.360 experts like him to provide the pictures, the narratives, the 257 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.480 imagery that would controlled people's thoughts, and from that you 258 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.039 could sort of confect a public opinion. I mean, public 259 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.960 opinion wasn't really genuine. It was always being manipulated and 260 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:21.360 confected to largely to imagery. And this is something that 261 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:26.360 was mass democracy. As they're expanding the franchise and you 262 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.759 first to I guess, emancipated slaves, black men, then to women. 263 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:35.679 And then to you know, eighteen year olds, eventually. 264 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:43.159 It becomes it becomes sort of negates itself because it 265 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.240 has to be manipulated. And the theory behind that is 266 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:51.159 those who are voting are being informed by the media 267 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:55.679 institutions and academia. But then if academian media is sort 268 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.440 of in a conspiracy, if you will, if I can 269 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:02.279 use that term to manipulate public opinion, then it is 270 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.960 self negating because the people aren't being informed, there being 271 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.399 constantly manipulated. So you know, when you ask me about 272 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.840 you know, let's let's repeal the twenty first Amendment or sorry, 273 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.480 the nineteenth amendment. Twenty first sackol the nineteenth Amendment because 274 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.120 women shouldn't vote, And I was like, well, yeah, it's true, but. 275 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.759 Most people shouldn't vote, so don't get insulted. 276 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.720 And you know, if you're a woman, I say that 277 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.200 there's a lot of things, a lot of people just 278 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.240 most people just aren't politically competent, you know. And and 279 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.919 theoretically those in charge could, I think, edify and inform 280 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.200 the public and make them more competent. But if they're competent, 281 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:46.240 how do you screw them over? You can't because they'reiblitically competent. 282 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.320 So it's it's it's the ability to lead to kind 283 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.639 of the desire to rule over people. You know, they'd 284 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.960 lust for to rule liberta dominandi, and they don't want, uh, 285 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.840 you know. And so it's if you know, in America 286 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:03.879 in the twentieth century, you did have this sort of 287 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:05.400 confected monoculture. 288 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.759 There was forged out of two World Wars. 289 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.400 The Great Depression, you had the managerial state, and it 290 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.440 was just sort of this American culture. Although you know, 291 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.400 if you really put a microscope on America, you see 292 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.079 a lot of different regional you see different regional interests 293 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.279 and dies. Obviously there's the South, there's Midwest and the 294 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.799 West Coast and all that. But you know, through CBS, ABC, NBC, 295 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.839 first through radio, then TV, than Hollywood. They did create 296 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:34.319 an American culture, a monoculture that was shattered kind of 297 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.079 like after the Cold War because everything they just didn't 298 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.920 they didn't think they needed anymore. They didn't need the 299 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:45.759 you know, the fodder to man the army and to 300 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:47.880 hold back the Communists, if you or that, you know 301 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.720 that that to contain communism, if that was ever really 302 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.920 you know the objective of the Cold War. But you 303 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:57.359 see what I'm getting at there, I mean kind of 304 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.400 like it's circumstances changed. You know, we've never really have 305 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.920 a democracy. These things, these things have always been an illusion, 306 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.519 you know. Frank Zappets, that's something to say about that. 307 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.880 And of course he was obviously a checkered figure. 308 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.799 Wouldn't rely on him. But Laura Canyon and all that, that's. 309 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:20.160 Well, you know, sidebar. It's like there there are a 310 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:23.519 number of these, you know, very much of their time, 311 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.359 Baby Boomer figures, you know, Zappa, a few others that 312 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.160 you just sort of can't help. But like you know 313 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.880 that there's no real identifiable ideology there. It comes across 314 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:38.920 as very genuine, But I think a lot about the fact. 315 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.880 They probably say, that's sort of asked, man's sort of 316 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:42.799 a satanic figure. 317 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.759 Yeah, yeah, that's probably a more I. 318 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:49.799 Can't say curse words of my records. Man, you're a fascist, 319 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:54.279 you know that sort of thing. Yeah, what was tip 320 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:57.759 of Gore is the fastest? That's I don't you're probactaria 321 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:01.279 remember all that. But the tip Gore used to be 322 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.839 a conservative. Al Gore was a Southern Democratic conservative back 323 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:05.759 in the eighties. 324 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.200 From Tennessee, and she wanted to put warning. 325 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.440 Labels on records because of the material, you know, so 326 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.119 typical or led that charge the late eighties. 327 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.480 Well, the there's one thing I want to I want 328 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.559 to bring up, uh when you you speak about that 329 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.039 sort of lust for power, right, the sort of flebido domanandi, 330 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:28.920 And I hadn't realize like a large part of that 331 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:34.000 book is talking about something different sidebar issue. But the 332 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.400 the thing that I think about a lot is how 333 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.200 clearly a certain segment of our elites are pushing for 334 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:44.759 this kind of global brasilification, you know, the idea that 335 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.960 we will simply you know, rule over you know, countless 336 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.319 teeming hordes of you know, low IQ. 337 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:58.920 Morons, which, by the way, as someone who's sort of 338 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.559 interested in uh Brazilian film. 339 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:04.880 He watched that and uh, okay, look I get it. 340 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:07.000 It's a movie. It's it's not one hundred percent accurate. 341 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.359 But the Brazilians are making this about themselves. Uh you 342 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.960 think O block is bad? You know, like when they 343 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.359 get up to it real like say what you will. 344 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.759 When don Quavius goes to write, goes to rob the 345 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.599 gas station, he's at least civilized enough to use a 346 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.440 block with a switch, not to stuff stuff you inside 347 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.720 a tire and set you on fire. Yeah, you know, 348 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.119 so it's it's it's the it's the little things that 349 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.880 make you know your country feel like home. And at 350 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.480 least getting shot is uh, you know, better than it 351 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.000 could be. But in all seriousness, obviously, once you see 352 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.440 that's sort of hard to ignore it. Everywhere, you know, 353 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.400 the the underlying assumption is that you know, I can 354 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.039 destroy the country because I will still be in charge 355 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.640 no matter what. And one of the things that I've 356 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:58.720 been interested to watch is in these immigrant groups. You 357 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.920 see it in the UK, you know, where there's this 358 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:04.240 new alliance. The Labor Party has lost a lot of 359 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:08.799 the Muslims and now there's this weird, you know, alliance 360 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.920 between some independent Muslims and also the Green Party. You know, 361 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.559 they're becoming more of a power player instead of purely 362 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.039 a client group. They're acting in their own interest on 363 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.759 their own But also if you look at you know, 364 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.599 elections in you know, deep deep blue areas heavily immigrant, 365 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.799 they're basically like engineering their own race wars. But you 366 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.720 know it's instead of you know, the kind of like 367 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:35.079 nineteen nineties vintage stuff, you know, Rodney King and all that, 368 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.920 it's you know, the Asians versus the Hispanics. You know, 369 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:42.599 like politics doesn't cease and that idea that you know, 370 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.960 we will continue to be the elect no matter what. 371 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.640 Rolling down from our ivory castle, it's like, well, guess what, 372 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:50.240 you know, a little bit later, Camp of the Saints 373 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.799 happens to you two. You know, except instead of your 374 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.000 beautiful oak door, it could be like your AI data center. 375 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.400 You know, it's the same thing, no matter what, you know, 376 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:02.839 it's just this kind of arrogance to assume the entrope 377 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.839 wal halt at exactly the moment it would inconvenience me. 378 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.200 Yeah, It's like there's. 379 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:18.880 Aristocrats who supported the French Revolution because they saw themselves 380 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:23.480 as perhaps getting the throne if the king was taken out, 381 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.240 and revolutions devour their children, as they say, right, so. 382 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.599 Yeah, I mean it is sort of this continual kind 383 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:40.240 of human behavior, like the wisdom of Ecclesiastes, right, there's 384 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.799 nothing new under the sun, Like yeah, okay, sure, you know, 385 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.400 obviously there's the technical aspect to it, but that's what 386 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.200 sort of adds to the to the. 387 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:49.680 Horror of this. 388 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.440 Like if you are a student of history at all, 389 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.599 you're like, oh, wait, you know, I've seen this before, 390 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.000 and it was way more comfortable to watch it to 391 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.160 happen to someone else, you know, with two thousand years 392 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:00.799 of distance. 393 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:02.519 I want to I want to read about it. I 394 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:03.279 don't want to live it. 395 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.000 Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. Reading about barbarians is much more 396 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.960 fun than be beheaded by them. 397 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.599 Yeah, and he kind of let me look good. Examples. 398 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:18.160 Look what happened out in Los Angeles the election out 399 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.640 there for mayor, and I do there's no way special 400 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.000 Practice could win. 401 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:26.680