WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:54.320 Wait wait, same. 2 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.280 Welcome back to Midnight Viewing, the Horror Anthology podcast. With 3 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.719 this season, we're taking a look at Georgia A. Ramero's 4 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:13.239 nineteen eighties series Tales from the Dark Side. Sharing the 5 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:16.560 Midnight view with me are the Culture Cast Chris Statue. 6 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:19.400 I asked you last time, We'll ask you once again. 7 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.439 My name is Isha, Candisha, and that's where that's If 8 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.079 you don't refer, I'll leave, I'll go possess Phyllis Diller 9 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:27.680 and leave. 10 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.519 And also joining us is the projection boos Mike White. 11 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.879 You can refer to me as the Old Soft Shoe. 12 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.280 Yeah, yeah, that's because tonight we're taking a look at 13 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.439 two episodes from season two. Those are The Shrine and 14 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:45.280 the Old Soft Shoe. The Shrine is season two episode seventeen, 15 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:48.719 originally aired on February the ninth, nineteen eighty six. This 16 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:52.120 was written by Julie Silbo from a sworrri by Pamela 17 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.799 Sargeant and directed by Christopher T. Welch, starring Lorna Luft, 18 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.760 Colleen Gray, Virginia Keene, and Janet Wood. This is a 19 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.159 story of Christine returning home after years of suffering a 20 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.319 mental breakdown to discover her mother has a younger, better, 21 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.479 less disappointing version version of herself already living there. What 22 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:12.000 do you think about this one, Chris. 23 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:17.159 Man, I'm living this episode, not just it's a given 24 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.599 my personal life situation, living in my parents house right now, 25 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.800 house sitting for them, watching this episode. It was a 26 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.639 little odd. I don't think my parents wish they had 27 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.159 a say that. I think that this is. I think 28 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:34.240 that this episode is an interesting idea. I don't know 29 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:39.719 how well executed the ending is. I think the ending is. 30 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.199 I think we will probably talk a fair about a 31 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.120 fair bit about the ending ultimately, but I will say 32 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:49.039 I think for me, I understand what they were getting at. 33 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.319 But this kind of smacks of a little bit of 34 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.319 Twilight Zone eighty five. One might say, oh, the wistful 35 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.159 days of when things weren't fucked up, and what if 36 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.560 I could start again? And it's like, what if you 37 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.599 fuck it? Have to deal with the hand you've been 38 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:05.599 dealt and you can't start again, because that's reality, and 39 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.240 that's what this episode kind of gets at. Right at 40 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:11.080 the end, the runway is about to disappear and the 41 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.199 plane just barely lifts off at the end, sort of 42 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:16.439 I don't know. I think it's a it's all over 43 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:18.840 the place. I like what they were going for. I 44 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.159 think they somewhat get there, but I don't think they 45 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.000 nail it the way they think thing. What about you, 46 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:25.199 mister Mike White. 47 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.560 Yeah, very similar feel this. It's so weird. This actually 48 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.080 happened to me. So, yeah, I came home and my 49 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.919 mom had a younger version of me that she liked 50 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.000 a lot more. The name was Richard, not Richard had 51 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.560 him and Richard Seltzer. He was a foreign exchange student. 52 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:42.319 She really liked him a lot more than me. 53 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:46.080 So I was d was Richard had him. 54 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.719 That would be something, especially since he's a little older 55 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:52.319 than I am. But yeah, yeah, no this, Yeah, I 56 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.560 wanted just a little bit more, just a little bit 57 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.560 something more. I don't know if it was a voiceover 58 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:05.039 or that this new child was some sort of malevolent 59 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.759 spirit that could tell that the mom was disappointed and 60 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.479 glombed onto her somehow or something like that. But the 61 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.040 idea is interesting. The idea, of course, of the whole 62 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.040 I screwed up. My mom wants to do over with 63 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:23.759 this other girl who's way better than I am, and 64 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.639 fulfills all of her needs. But yeah, it just felt 65 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.319 like it wasn't coalescing exactly the way they wanted it to. 66 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.560 I will mention, by the way, before you go, Father 67 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.480 blon frere is jaka freireras. 68 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.000 Jakah jesus doorm. 69 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:42.560 Vu doorm vu is as bad as for he's a 70 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.920 jolly good fellow. As far as I'm concerned, it has 71 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:48.160 now entered the pantheon of things that I will never 72 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.720 be able to unhear in this context ever. 73 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:54.040 Again, I have a special note here just about don't 74 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:58.000 use children's rhymes. Now, this is like nineteen eighty six. 75 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.560 You know, they haven't really pushed horror to the rhyming 76 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.160 children limit yet. You know, Freddie's just now doing it. 77 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:07.800 But by now, my god, revisiting it, it's not scary. 78 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.439 It kind of never has been. Honestly, this one gave 79 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:12.560 me a lot of hope when it began, because we 80 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:16.759 were getting a very convincing or rather interior exterior. They're 81 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:19.240 shooting from inside a set, and they've got an exterior 82 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.120 set outside with rain and such going on in lightning, 83 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.199 and the lightning was the only source of light in 84 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.040 the room where the mother has falling asleep at the 85 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.639 sort of kitchen table, and I thought, oh man, this 86 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.279 is pretty atmospheric. This is looking good. And then it starts. 87 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.839 It's a tale of a mother and a daughter, which 88 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.079 we don't get that often so on an anthology sort 89 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.639 in an anthology series, and galing head on with the 90 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.439 issues that mothers and daughters have with each other. So 91 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.680 I got very excited. And then it falls apart because 92 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:55.879 it is incredibly crazily poorly paced, and they go to 93 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.439 the lengths. They go to lengths to set up that 94 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.000 she's returning after six years and she had had a 95 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.639 complete mental breakdown. What they're trying to do here is 96 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.199 what they did on The Nightmare of twenty thousand Feet, 97 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.120 which is there a gremlin on the wing? Or is 98 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.680 this guy just losing it again? But they never really 99 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.439 traffic in that because they're showing us some ghostly things 100 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:20.279 happening without her on screen, so we know it's just 101 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:23.560 some sort of supernatural thing going on behind that door. 102 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.079 So there was like never really any tension. Having said that, 103 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.680 I did like how when she meets her younger self, 104 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.800 how mean her younger self was to her. That was nice. 105 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.240 The younger herself is her younger self is a real 106 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.800 piece of shit. Oh yeah, I kind of like get 107 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:42.600 away that. It does remind me of things we've seen 108 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.199 before where I'm like, is she like a demon? Is 109 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.319 this like a malevolent spirit? Is this an Isha Candisha 110 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.439 type thing? I mean, I made the joke. I mean 111 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.040 obviously because at this point it's just the most obnoxious thing, 112 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.879 one of the most obnoxious things we've seen on the show. 113 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.680 But it does have that same feeling of like, sheau 114 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.920 is this like an extra lies demon or is it 115 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.360 a like pross hole far or what is it? 116 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.360 The problem is the episode is structured as such to 117 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.720 be what I said it was, which is we're supposed 118 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.639 to question her sanity for a good at least half 119 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.959 of the episode before it's revealed that the little girl 120 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.480 is actually in that room, whereas it should have been 121 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.120 the fucking first scene. It should have been been dealing 122 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.040 with herself from beginning to end, and maybe not dealing 123 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.439 with the mother, but maybe not, you know, like somehow 124 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.399 disconnected or something. Because I do want to know what 125 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.600 this thing is, because it hints that it might be 126 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.759 a demon, it hints that it was called and it's 127 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.839 fulfilling a need that this broken person has one that 128 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:44.639 you couldn't like there's a really potent dynamic going on here. 129 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:49.360 It's just so poorly shot and it's so set downd 130 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.240 like this. Once the lights come on, all of my 131 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.560 praise drains away because this just looks like a set 132 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.000 that they threw up. And considering there's no real action 133 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.480 or anything going on here, it ought to be crackingly 134 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.000 good because it's basically a two hand or a threehander. 135 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.279 But yeah, I don't know. It's just I love all 136 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.279 the like you guys said, I love all the ideas 137 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:11.319 going on here, but it just doesn't ever really click. 138 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:14.439 I never get my teeth into any of these characters. 139 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.360 And the other thing is and Father Malone. You've mentioned 140 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.839 this before on other things. We talked about it a 141 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:21.959 lot on Tales from the Crypt, and I think you've 142 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.560 alluded to it here. God, it's so set bund Ooh, 143 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.839 it's it is just the one of the more setbound 144 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.240 things we've seen on this show. Like they never go anywhere. 145 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:34.519 They're in this house the whole time, they're almost in 146 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:38.159 this room the whole time, and it's just how can 147 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.879 you shoot one tiny twelve foot by twelve foot room, 148 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.519 different ways. Let me show you. We'll put up in 149 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.600 this corner, in this corner and down on the ground 150 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:47.360 and behind the thing. 151 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:49.679 And it's like they did it with the smoking episode. 152 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.080 It can be done. You can do interesting stuff in 153 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.720 a bottle episode. It's just that this isn't even a 154 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.000 bottle episode. 155 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.519 It is though it totally is. That's the problem. 156 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.879 But they've got different rooms to move around in and stuff. 157 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.000 They've got different locations to go to the scene with 158 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.279 the best friend who shows up, who, by the way, 159 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:08.960 speaking of the acting across the board in this episode 160 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.799 is fucking terrible, and including best friend who shows up 161 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:16.000 like she's some soap opera best friend, like she's just 162 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.159 going for the fucking back of the auditorium. 163 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:24.080 Yeah. I well, first off, I recognized the name Lorna Luft, 164 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:26.440 but I had no idea who she was. I didn't 165 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.639 know she was what Judy Garland's one of her daughters. 166 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.200 I always thought that Lorna Luft was a born star 167 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.200 because just that name sounds like a horn star name 168 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.240 to me, Lorna Luft, So it's like, but yeah, and 169 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.960 then I thought she was the old woman, So I 170 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.279 don't look her up again. But yeah, no, nobody's really 171 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.000 nailing it. And yet the little girl acting is up there. 172 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.480 The demon possessed girl gruel and all was way better 173 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:54.720 at an actress than this one. 174 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.279 Great, Yeah, it's just that she was disgusting. This girl 175 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.399 is just a poor actress. And you know what, if 176 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.799 I came downstairs and no matter who I was in 177 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.080 a fight with, if they made me breakfast, I'm gonna 178 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.240 eat that breakfast juice. You're just gonna drink juice. This 179 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.080 character she doesn't deserve to live there. I'm glad she's 180 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:14.720 been replaced. 181 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.639 She doesn't deserve to live period. 182 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.639 According to that little girl in this episode. 183 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.759 My god, this felt a bit like honestly, it felt 184 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.639 like another slice of boomer bullshit. 185 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:30.039 That's what I'm saying. 186 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.440 Yeah, not as clumsy as Twilight Zone eighty five, not 187 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:38.080 as wistful as Amazing Stories, but still kind of in 188 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:40.799 there and not really suited for the dark side. 189 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.399 No, this feels like Twilight Zone nineteen eighty five in 190 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.639 the worst way. The worst impulses of that show are 191 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.440 being repeated here in a way that I am shocked 192 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.279 because for me, this is we have never held that 193 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.440 against this show as hard as we held it against 194 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.159 Twilight Zone for he's a jolly good fellow for fucking example, 195 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.960 And now here we are once again. Thankfully it's only 196 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.360 this like, it's only this one so far. But this 197 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.360 is a pretty poor episode of this show, to the 198 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.399 point where it almost feels like if you ask me 199 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.600 what show this was, I would say it's Twilight Zone 200 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:18.080 eighty five. 201 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.480 I genuinely I completely. 202 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.240 That they like shot on tape in a sound stage 203 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:24.480 instead of using that back. 204 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.960 In Canada ending or maybe even Tails from the Crip. 205 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.960 Now this isn't Tails from the Crypt. Nothing is tailed. 206 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.159 This is Tails to the Crypt. Season seven is such 207 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.440 an atrocious entry into media it's not even worth mentioning. 208 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.440 Yeah, and to your point five, this show is called 209 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:44.159 Tales from the Dark Side, so we're not questioning her, Sam, 210 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.120 i'd be at the beginning. We know weird shit's gonna 211 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.440 happen in this so why are you setting it up 212 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.279 like we don't know the name of the show. We 213 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:53.480 didn't just hear the ominous voiceover. 214 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.120 Yeah, get to it. What's this thing all about? I 215 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.360 want to know if they throw up so much interest 216 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.440 and then just squander away with mystery. 217 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:01.080 I don't know. 218 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.360 It doesn't work for me, and I don't and I 219 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.399 think it could have, and I think it should have, 220 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.879 because again I think the story has an interesting idea 221 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.279 that it's getting at, but it for me, just it 222 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:13.679 unfortunately never gets there. 223 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.679 All right, Hopefully the next one will probably not. 224 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:21.240 If it's spoilers, it's. 225 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.840 Like you're a liar, sir, don't buy to your audience. 226 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:26.080 See no better? 227 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.879 Well said? Hopefully I qualified it, all right. This is 228 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.840 the Old Soft Shoe season two, episode eighteen. This aired 229 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.440 originally on February the sixteenth, nineteen eighty six. Written by 230 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:42.200 Art Montrostelly, written by Art Montastelli, and directed by Richard Friedman. 231 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.759 This one stars Paul Dooley, John Fiedler, Kathy MacLean, and 232 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.240 Dorothy Park. This is about a traveling lingerie salesman who 233 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.639 rents the wrong room in a hotel or is it 234 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:55.000 the right one. He's befriended by Glinda, a ghost of 235 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:59.000 a former occupant who just so happens to love lingerie. Anyway, 236 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.120 that's the rom com version that I'm selling to Sony 237 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.000 and pitching it to them next week. Anyway. Anyway, what 238 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:05.080 do you think of this one, Mike. 239 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.200 You know, I went to a Art Montrostelli school when 240 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:09.360 I was just a little kid. 241 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.000 A whole little early learning joke for all you parents out. 242 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:19.080 There, and go Paul Dooley and John Fieldler in the 243 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.080 same episode. I thought I was gonna be a pig 244 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.240 in slop. Here I am with two of my favorite 245 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:31.480 character actors and fucking John Fiedler. That the outfits he's. 246 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:32.080 Wearing in this. 247 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.000 Little early booty shirt things. 248 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:44.039 Hell, where where John Fiedler ever been sexier? 249 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:48.879 That's oh never, never, Oh my gosh, house coat over 250 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:53.919 a dressing at a nightgown like a sleeping Ebenezer Scrooge style, 251 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.519 and then an overcoat over that with a hunting cap 252 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.279 and a shotgun. That's a look. 253 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.879 He's the sexy version of not since Colchak has John 254 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:04.960 Fieedler been so sexy. 255 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:11.200 Like the Elmer Fudd pin up, you know? Yeah, And 256 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.840 then there's the whole thing of how Chester Caruso, the 257 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.919 Paul Dooley character is hitting on this woman that he 258 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.960 meets and she keeps thinking that he's coming on tour. 259 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.320 There's a fucking people in the bathroom. What am I 260 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:26.120 watching here? 261 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:26.440 Is this? 262 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.240 It's really put in there. 263 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:31.960 It's just yeah, you know what, sometimes there's gonna be peoples. 264 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:32.799 Are you gonna look through it? 265 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:33.519 What are you gonna do? 266 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.440 And he never gets caught. There's no real comeupance for 267 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.320 that other than if this ghost is the come uppance? 268 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:41.720 Yeah? Was that? It was it the fact that he 269 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:43.720 was married and was hitting on the girl and then 270 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.600 immediately falls into the arms of the ghosts. That occurred 271 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.120 to me halfway through, I. 272 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.039 Know, I was like, what is the karma deficit that 273 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.440 is causing this ghost to plague him? And no one 274 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.200 believes him or anything? And then the sheriff at the 275 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:01.399 ends this all ties into a story about a person 276 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.000 that was murdered. I'm like, why didn't you what? The 277 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.960 guy who runs the hotel doesn't know that, but the 278 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.759 cop does. Chris, what did you think of this one? 279 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.279 H fatherm alone. I think it's time we haven't talked. 280 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:15.720 Oh, don't you blame the abe? 281 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.519 Wait a second here, Wait a second here. I felt 282 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.279 a certain level of responsibility for tales from the crypt 283 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.200 and inviting you. I'm just kidding. I don't blame you. 284 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:35.080 Wh what universe should blame me? Harvey, don't punish the 285 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.840 boy I thought it was fine. I think it's another 286 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:44.159 muddled attempt at telling a story that has no place 287 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.279 in this show. This is another Twilight Zone eighty five. 288 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:49.759 It's a night gallery. It's a night gallery. 289 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.879 Yeah, I can see that. Maybe this remind me I 290 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.159 thought there was going to be a fortune telling machine 291 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.399 in the lobby of this hotel. That's what this one 292 00:15:58.480 --> 00:15:59.000 reminded me of. 293 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:04.399 Bat Yeah, yeah, is that what it needed? I just 294 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.080 think it needed a purpose. I think it needed a direction. 295 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.600 I don't think it had for me anyways. What I 296 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.679 was hoping for in an episode that this one is 297 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.559 where you've got this guy in this hotel room that's 298 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:22.360 seemingly haunted. I guess that's what we're being led to assume. 299 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.080 It's like a fourteen oh eight thing, because John Fiedler 300 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:29.679 doesn't John Fidler doesn't stop him really hard from going 301 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.519 into that room. He's bride don't want to go in there. 302 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:34.559 If I could do, John Fieeddler's vlaice me, you can't 303 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.600 go away, eh, and that I don't know what that 304 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:41.039 was not John Fiedler maybe like Jimmy Cagney, but he doesn't. 305 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.600 It's not like he stops him any harder than just 306 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.039 don't go in there. That room's not available, and he's like, 307 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.159 I'll give you an extra ten bucks. He's like, okay, 308 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:54.559 the easiest convincing possible. And then the way the episode 309 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.919 wraps up is just bizarre, to say the least. It 310 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.000 comes out of left field. It seems like the episode 311 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:05.519 missing a good ten minutes maybe or more. I don't know. 312 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.839 I don't think this episode would have benefited from having more. 313 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.839 I think this episode would have benefited from having someone 314 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.119 actually rewrite certain parts of the narrative to make more sense. 315 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.519 Because him interacting with these ghosts in this room over 316 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.839 and over again, it's just not entertaining. 317 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.799 I do like the idea of a sitcom fourteen oh eight, 318 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:27.799 because that's what this is. 319 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:29.559 That's what it's trying to be. 320 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.359 Right, Yeah, here's the talk. I don't think you should 321 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:33.920 take this key. I want the gy Okay, you can 322 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.400 have to get pretty much. That was not James Cagney. 323 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.400 But no, no, no dirty rats or anything. 324 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.839 We're mentioned this one. This one's tough because I like 325 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.839 a simple ghost story. I will say it's if we're 326 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.519 comparing this to the last one, this one is better 327 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.759 shot it's better acted. I actually think the dialogue is 328 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.839 written better here. It's just that they're telling a story 329 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.000 that we've seen a thout. It's a campfire story. He 330 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.000 checks it into the wrong room and a ghost is 331 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.000 there and she's alluring and and it seals his doom. 332 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.480 It's just that he acts like a fucking moron here. Okay, 333 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.119 spectral woman shuts up in your room. Okay, you know 334 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.279 it's a ghost. You gotta know it's a ghost, right, 335 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.319 And if you would hope and if you don't, when 336 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.799 she pulls the gun and shoots you and then nothing happens, 337 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.000 you think you're actually shot. Go back and everyone convinces 338 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.079 you that you're crazy. You go back to the room. 339 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:30.000 Do you go back to the room. Okay, you go 340 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.480 back to the room. She shows up again, and you 341 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.960 just it's all casual, like there's no there. Never feel 342 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.480 like there are any steaks in here. 343 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:37.880 No. 344 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:38.839 And THENL. 345 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.599 Dooley's not afraid that there's a fucking ghost in his room. 346 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.960 He's woh, this is making me horny, And it's like, bro, 347 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.039 what the fuck is going on here? She shot you, 348 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:51.759 She shot you, and he shot you three times? 349 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.359 I mean, don't ink shame Chris. 350 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.119 Oh my god, and here we go with the kink 351 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.880 shaming again. Me a shot with guns is dangerous and 352 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.559 if that's a hink, I'm sorry to tell you there ain't. 353 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.799 Me and William s Burrows. There's certain things that we 354 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:11.599 agree on, okayim. 355 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.440 Bear ben Way, what injecting heroin into your scrotum's not enough? 356 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:16.079 Yeah? 357 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.519 That and shooting our wives. Oh, also, we're gonna do 358 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:25.480 the old William tellat Come on, how many mugwumps can 359 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:25.960 I get you? 360 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.519 Is this potentially just a condemnation of like, how stupid 361 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.319 men are that, no matter what the warning sign are, 362 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.880 will just fucking keep going until they've drowned us in 363 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:35.359 the baths? 364 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.720 Up, Yes, men are stupid. First off, the answer to 365 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:40.880 your question is are men stupid? No? 366 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:42.960 I know that. I know that I'm saying it's not 367 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.720 what this episode is saying. Because if that's what they're 368 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:46.920 getting at, then okay, I like it a little better. 369 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.559 I mean, Paul Dooley's a piece of shit in this episode, 370 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:51.920 That's the thing. It's not. I'm not gonna say he 371 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.480 was asking for it. He was asking for it by 372 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:57.200 going back to that room where she was knowing that 373 00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:59.559 she had shot him already and going hit let me 374 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:01.599 keep hit on you, and then he gets drowned in 375 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:05.680 a baptub. Deservedly is what it is. What deservedly is 376 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.200 what the show makes it feel like. Whether or not 377 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.279 that's the real my take or any of y'all's take, 378 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.759 the show's inherent moral compass would lead us to believe 379 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.359 that he got what he deserved. Per the narrative, you 380 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.799 know what we needed one phone call with the wife, 381 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:22.240 right well, we had one. 382 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.839 We had one at the very beginning, remember when he's like, oh, 383 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:27.480 hold on, the line's pricking up. 384 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.640 Yeah, it's true what we need, but we needed to 385 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:32.519 speak to her again. We needed to know that she's 386 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.200 sweet and he's being a dick, because if it's what 387 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.920 they're getting at that, like he deserved this, But is 388 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.160 it that? I mean, is it? Or is it? Just 389 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:41.359 don't go in that room? 390 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:42.000 Right? 391 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:42.720 Yeah? 392 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.599 Again, think her as a presence probably would have been 393 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:46.359 nice at some. 394 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:49.119 Point instead of having the other woman who he was 395 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.799 also hitting on. Maybe she's that, maybe it is, it's 396 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.880 just not it doesn't feel pointed in any way this episode. 397 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.000 It's just things are happening and we're watching them, and 398 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:58.640 then he's dead. That's pretty much. 399 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.000 It seems like there. Like I said, it seems like 400 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.839 there was a lot of missed opportunities to really get 401 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.319