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Book now at Guinness Storehouse dot com. 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:29.559 Get the facts, be drink a where physic drinker where 9 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:35.719 dot e meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, 10 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:37.799 flapping his wing, big down in on the forest. 11 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.159 Man, it gonna cause the tree. 12 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.240 Fall, letting five thousand miles away. 13 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:42.520 Man, Nobody see it? 14 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:43.079 Nobody else. 15 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.840 Why you don't need no play with them? 16 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.439 Like you follow and you get back. Don't black a dan? 17 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:59.719 You don't okay? 18 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.560 All right, Mark Mitchell? Look did the Jay Burden Show? 19 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:09.000 How are you doing? 20 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:12.159 Then? Doing well? We had some fun conversation before this thing, 21 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:13.000 so I'm pretty stoked. 22 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.959 Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. Obviously, I'm aware 23 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.439 of you and your company and have been for quite 24 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.439 a while. But I was really engaged by an episode 25 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.920 that you did with Marty bent TFTC. I think is 26 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.879 the podcast I'll drop it in the description, where the 27 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.560 two of you discussed an ongoing generational breakdown in the 28 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:37.280 broader right wing in America. This is something that I 29 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:39.640 think myself and many of my listeners will be aware 30 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:43.920 of on any number of issues. But I'm curious, right, 31 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.760 what sort of motivated you to look into this? And 32 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.439 I guess I should be a podcaster and lead with 33 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.000 this if you could. You know, where are you coming from? 34 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:53.239 Right? 35 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:55.439 Why are you the person who can you know, speak 36 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:56.239 about data like this. 37 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:03.439 Yeah? So I'm a political polster, which is relatively commoditized, 38 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.199 but I'm also like an honest, non establishment polster, which 39 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.319 is not commoditized at all. There are actually very few 40 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:13.759 of us. And the stuff I like to do best 41 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.960 isn't really the political horse racing. It's hard, it's boring. 42 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.439 I like polling on public sentiment, which is like, hey, 43 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:22.599 you know, one hundred years ago, somebody said, well to 44 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.319 people like chocolate or vanilla ice cream better? And somebody said, oh, 45 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.080 I don't know, we'll ask them, and then the news 46 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.360 thought that was interesting. But now what I pull on 47 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.960 is like civil war, the death of the American dream, 48 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:38.159 political violence, the weaponization of the justice system. And I 49 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.199 find looking around that really nobody else is talking about 50 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:45.639 those things, and that's because they've all been captured by 51 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.360 a system that essentially wants to tell people what to 52 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.360 think and not actually ask them. And that's why we 53 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.599 wound up on the CIA's Naughty List and why you know, 54 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.400 you're not allowed to ask questions about election integrity or 55 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.800 vaccines or any of that stuff. And so so luckily 56 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.759 with Twitter and you know, we've been pretty loud and 57 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.080 vocal anti establishment voices because I think we can all 58 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.080 look around and say, you know, this isn't Red team 59 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.919 Blue team anymore. Like we're fundamentally not being represented in 60 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.639 a way that feels like we're running towards a cliff. 61 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.360 Yeah, and I think that's sort of interesting. I had 62 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.479 a conversation with gen X, conservative right, very intelligent woman, 63 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.479 but it was interesting to hear the conversation break down. 64 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.919 Me and a couple friends were talking to her about 65 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:35.919 the election of Zoron Mamdannie, and she was very, very 66 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.560 worried about this Islamic socialist that had taken over New 67 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.280 York and my peers were by no means, you know, 68 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.719 a fan of this guy for any number of reasons, 69 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.400 but the concerns were entirely different. Like the word socialism 70 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.680 was sort of this like dim mock right the death touch, 71 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:57.560 and look, I'm by no means a socialist at all. 72 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.800 But it's interesting that that term rights sort of a 73 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:05.240 disqualifying feature for your political career. And when I say disqualifying, 74 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.759 I mean clearly it isn't from Mamdani. He will be 75 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:11.639 in office, but that stink has sort of faded. And 76 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.319 I think that that is an interesting signifier of something 77 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.399 more broad, which is this kind of you could call 78 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.360 it almost like a civic religion, these sort of you know, 79 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.560 moral precepts of what is and is not acceptable as 80 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.360 fully and totally collapsed. And maybe it hit the right 81 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:29.680 a little after it hit the left, but it is 82 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.199 creating this sort of situation where it's almost impossible to 83 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:38.240 talk across that divide for reasons like that it's sort 84 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.639 of this thought terminating word like a socialist or you know, 85 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.079 there are others right to attack people on the right, 86 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.319 but it is this sort of interesting moment of fracture 87 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.839 where the kind of previous political order, their terms no 88 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:54.800 longer apply. If you see what I'm getting at. 89 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.079 Mark, Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I mean, this is 90 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:59.879 what is happening right now. There's a major political realignment 91 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.240 and nobody in Washington, DC really wants to acknowledge it. 92 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.720 And things are starting to move really fast right now, 93 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.879 and I'm here for it. As a public opinion professional, 94 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.639 measuring sentiment on this is going to be wild, because 95 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.040 what history tells us is that there's periods where opinions 96 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.959 change really, really, really fast. And for people who don't 97 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.480 study history, I certainly don't. There is a book called 98 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.600 The Fourth Turning that was recommended to me by Steve Bannon, 99 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.959 who actually fifteen years ago wrote a movie about this, 100 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.959 produced a movie, and he's very precient on many things, 101 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.680 and this was one of them. Because when I read 102 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:36.600 the book, I'm like, oh, this is kind of interesting. 103 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.639 And then increasingly, just over the last year or two, 104 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:44.199 I've seen more and more signs of this impending shift 105 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.519 coming in my polling. And I think the most obvious 106 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:51.639 example recently is people's opinions on Israel, but I could 107 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.040 point to a ton of other examples too, and one 108 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.600 of them like referring to the Mandami situation is to 109 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:02.279 domestic versus foreign terrorism. And so it's like, Okay, Islam's 110 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.959 a religion, like whatever. There's a lot of religions, but 111 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.720 then okay, there's also this thing called islamis Islamic terrorism. 112 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.160 And so when you look at Mamdani, he's got a 113 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.040 really high favorability rating with under forty voters. Like the 114 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.800 young people like him. The old people are like going, 115 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:23.079 oh my god, socialism, that's terrible. And the young people 116 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.079 like don't care. They just don't. And the older people 117 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:27.839 are saying, oh, but he's going to be a Muslim terrorist, 118 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:29.399 and they're like, no, he's not. I listened to him. 119 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.879 He sounds authentic to me. And in the polling, I 120 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.759 forget the numbers. I think younger people are more concerned 121 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.639 about domestic terrorism. I just posted it this morning. But 122 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:44.079 essentially they're like forty points apart younger people versus older people. 123 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.720 Older people are overwhelmingly concerned with foreign terrorism because they've 124 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:50.360 heard all this stuff. You know this, you know, we 125 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.279 got to fight him over there, neo conservatives, George W. 126 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.319 Bush kind of stuff. And so what I think happens 127 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.399 and I think one of the things is going on too, 128 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.560 is that people like to push values, and I think 129 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.319 that when times get tough, values are pulled, and so 130 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:09.720 people are saying, like, no, those values you're pushing on 131 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.600 me don't work anymore. Vacuum needs to be filled. I 132 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.240 like this better, and I think we're seeing that, and 133 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.879 the Fourth Turning tells us this is happening, because the 134 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.040 fourth turning crisis is that happen every eighty to one 135 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:24.800 hundred years, are precipitated by a massive collapse and institutional 136 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:27.839 trust because the old values mean nothing and have failed. 137 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.120 And so increasingly you're going to see these older boomer 138 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.759 values because boomers mostly built the system we're living in. 139 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:38.120 They're sixty percent of federal elected representatives, and that's going 140 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.560 to flip really soon. And boomers are saying things like, again, 141 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.439 we have to fight them over there instead of over here. 142 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.120 Pre market capitalism works, you just have to work harder. 143 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.920 Israel is our greatest ally. We need NATO in order 144 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.839 to fight against Russia, and increasingly the youth are just 145 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.600 going to rebel against that because it doesn't work anymore. 146 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.639 Conservatism itself is kind of a failed set of luxury beliefs, 147 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.079 because what is it even conserved certainly not free market capitalism. 148 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.480 And when you ask the under forty voters like do 149 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:12.480 you like capitalism or socialism? They say capitalism better. But 150 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.519 then even the conservative under forty voters, if you say, okay, 151 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.199 well how about this socialistic thing like well, free distribution, 152 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:21.879 even the conservatives like, oh yeah, okay, we kind of 153 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.639 need that right now. So you have this No, I 154 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:31.279 mean there is a very straightforward, one dimensional political axis 155 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.279 right versus left. It doesn't work anymore. Increasingly we have 156 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.639 the horseshoe of politics where right and far right and 157 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:42.960 far left are meeting towards focusing on the failed system 158 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.960 that doesn't work for everybody anymore. And that's why you 159 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.440 see things like JD. Vance polling very well because he 160 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.360 talks like economic populist and he gets beaten by Bernie Sanders, 161 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:54.679 and the way those two people talk on certain things 162 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.840 are not very far apart. It all just comes down 163 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.360 to like, well, how are we going to fix it? 164 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.279 So I think that's really what's going to define politics 165 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.639 over the next couple of years, which is increasingly people 166 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.080 are rebelling against the people in power, and the youth 167 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.519 are going to win is just a matter of time. 168 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.519 If they're fifteen percent of Congress right now, that's gonna 169 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.559 and boomers are sixty that's going to completely reverse in 170 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:17.279 like ten years. 171 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.080 Well, and that's sort of why. And there's all these 172 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.480 different colorful ways to describe it, you know, the one 173 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.799 from four Chan, right is the day of the pillow. 174 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.279 But we are it's a bit grim, but it is 175 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:32.639 sort of funny. It is we are about to reach 176 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.320 and depending on who you ask, it's either in four 177 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.440 or six years. You probably know better than I. But 178 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.240 the point at which we read fifty percent baby boom 179 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.519 or mortality now, obviously, the way mortality tables work, it 180 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.879 goes quickly, even in an era of you know, modern medicine, right, 181 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:53.559 And I think that that that eighty year you could 182 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:57.200 have like fourth turning. I think a large part of 183 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.039 it as well. And this is something I've seen both 184 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.360 on the left and the right, is that there's a 185 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.360 large number of people who don't have the buy in 186 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:11.840 necessary to assume the traditional conservative position of status quo defender. 187 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.639 Because when you have young men who you know are 188 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:17.320 for any number of reasons, you know, there's been a 189 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.080 peace out and compact about this, but we're you know, 190 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.960 locked out, you know to traditional ways of accumulating money 191 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.080 and status. And then also just due to you know 192 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.000 a combination of inflation and you know, high asset values, 193 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.759 becomes very difficult to become a property holder, to have 194 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:38.320 a stake in society. Literally, well you're going to see 195 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:40.279 people sort of throw up their hands and say, well, 196 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.000 let's turn the table, like, let's just set this back 197 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.799 to zero. I stand proportionally a better chance. And I'm 198 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.480 glad you mentioned domestic terror because you know, I've been 199 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.000 kind of look, I sort of came into my you know, 200 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.039 political awareness during you know, the first Trump term, when 201 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:00.440 you know, left wing political violence sort of re emerge, 202 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.440 and so for effectively my entire adult life, you have 203 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.240 seen this sort of worrying spiral of violence. The one 204 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.000 that I always mentioned that no one ever talks about 205 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.120 is those you know, twelve guys who set up an 206 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.600 L shaped ambush outside of an ice facility where it's like, okay, 207 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:16.799 they weren't successful. You know, it's not like there's a 208 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.000 huge body count. But you look at that and you're like, okay, 209 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.399 well that's there's twelve guys with some semblance of organization, 210 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.080 that's way more than admittedly tragic cases where you know, 211 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.799 some guy reads Catcher in the Rye and decides to go, 212 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.039 you know, take a scalp or something. And I think 213 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.159 that as you and I, you know, maybe this is 214 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.679 kind of left wing or you know, socialist messaging, as 215 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.840 we could say, but when you have that sort of dispossession, 216 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.879 when you have people who don't really have a lot 217 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.080 to lose, you know, they don't have a mortgage that 218 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.159 would go unpaid if they're in jail, or you know 219 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.320 a wife who would go you know, hungry, well that 220 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.840 those sort of drastic actions are incentivized, or at least 221 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.159 less disincentivized. And I think that that's one of those 222 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:02.720 things that I feel very frustrated talking to conservatives because 223 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.960 it's like one, like, you know, what happens now, Like 224 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:10.759 they shot one of your guys literally in four K video, 225 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.320 they tried to shoot Trump twice, Like you know, where 226 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.639 do you think this goes? And if you don't provide 227 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.200 those people one a sort of harsh deterrent which has 228 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.039 been lacking, and two, to be honest, something else to do, 229 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.120 you know, something constructive to do, Like where do you 230 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.320 think this political violence goes because it doesn't just stop 231 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:32.679 because you're upset about it. 232 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.240 No, it's coming. It's just a matter of how and 233 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.799 who I think, really, to be honest with you, and 234 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:40.879 that's why I've been screaming louder and louder, I want 235 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:44.200 to avoid this scenario. The fourth turning crisises are almost 236 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.879 always hot. There's almost always blood. Civil War, World War two, 237 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.960 you know, the revolution going back. Probably some crap with 238 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.840 the Indians and the French, I don't know, but like 239 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.039 it's the numbers say that this is coming. Forty three 240 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.639 percent of America thinks the Civil War revolution is coming 241 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.799 in the next few years. It's a majority. I think 242 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.639 the number was fifty six percent of under forty voters. 243 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.919 That's not good. Number one concern right now in America 244 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.879 is political violence. Ninety percent of people are concerned about that. 245 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:15.399 That's more than inflation. I mean, it's just sick. They're 246 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.679 over A majority of people thought that there was going 247 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.120 to be a violent reaction to the twenty twenty four election, 248 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.240 including leftists who think it's more likely that the right 249 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.320 is going to pop off because of the January sixth 250 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.639 psychological operation. That's never been healed, like where the hell 251 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:32.679 is our jan six Commission? And I've been really outspoken 252 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.720 about this because I think that the Republican Party is 253 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.840 just completely mia like not fighting this, just a wall. 254 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.960 I've been posting like the Shiel laboof, like just do 255 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.320 this mean? Like what are you talking about? Why isn't 256 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.039 anything happening? And I think the under forty voter also 257 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:53.080 is most fixated on systematic reform. I've called it burn 258 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.320 it down politics, and that sounds pretty inflammatory, nice pun, 259 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.320 but I mean they want to replace a failed, unethical 260 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.600 system with something that gets back to, in my opinion, 261 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:08.879 core ethics of fairness and justice and honesty. And that's 262 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.799 I think that that's the key to the under forty, 263 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.639 the Zoomer and the millennial politics is they just want fairness, 264 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.360 Like why doesn't this system just work? They want a 265 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:23.039 restoration of integrity. And that's a pretty strong body politic, 266 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.360 you know what I mean. Like, if you're an objective thinker, 267 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.720 it's pretty easy to look at any policy and say like, no, 268 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.600 that's stupid. We shouldn't be doing this transfer payment. No, 269 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.120 we should get these people the hell out of the 270 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.519 country because it's not better objectively, we have stats, and 271 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.080 even the ones on the left like kind kind of 272 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.960 talk like that. And so the problem I see here 273 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.399 is that like Trump captured the youth zeitgeist, he got 274 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:48.399 literally shot right right he got into power on retribution 275 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.919 and building a golden age for America and draining the swamp, 276 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.000 and he's literally delivered nothing on that. It's like he's 277 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.720 the biggest person in America who forgot that he got shot. 278 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:03.480 And I understand that's there's limitations. I understand that it's 279 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.480 tough to arrest these people and get it to stick. 280 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.720 But I think the way and I don't want to 281 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.200 put words in your mouth, but zoomers want people arrested. 282 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.600 And when they were happiest with Trump, it was during 283 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.480 the peak Doge. You could literally go to Google search 284 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.200 trends and type in doge and when it peaked on 285 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.279 the last week of February, goes straight through as musse 286 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.159 and reports dot com and look at Trump's under forty 287 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.960 approval rating. It was sixty percent. And so every Republican 288 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.360 in DC should have been like morally bound to understand 289 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:36.000 why they finally did something that wasn't retarded and why 290 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.759 the youth vote actually like Republicans for once, and they 291 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.240 didn't care. They shut the doge down. And this was 292 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.000 the same week Donald Trump is quoting Napoleon Bonaparte, And 293 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.720 I mean, I just have poll after poll after poll 294 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.440 first that shows that life is terrible for the under 295 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.080 forty voters in a way that even you, like I 296 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:55.559 don't know if you want to get into or not, 297 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:01.840 like very much understated. This societalric is basically, the social 298 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.639 contract's gone for the under forty. It's just gone. And 299 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:06.919 I was, I'm forty five. I saw the whole thing 300 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.080 fall apart, Like I had my career stolen from me 301 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.879 by the HEB program that got passing the law into 302 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:18.799 nineteen ninety. So this touches me too. But it's like 303 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.600 if you're in power and you were given a mandate 304 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.799 and that mandate has brutally reformed the government because everybody 305 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.159 needs it. They're begging you. Only thirty percent trust the 306 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.799 federal government. And then the reality is, well, the system 307 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.320 doesn't work. We're never going to get any of these 308 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.200 people arrested. They like, Comy's going to get off Scott 309 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:39.960 free and that was just one arrest. Then I kind 310 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.320 of think that you have an ethical obligation to get like, 311 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.360 burn that system down, be an accelerationist arrest all these people, 312 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.399 get the evidence out, and then fine, they're going to skate. 313 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:54.440 I mean, there's an aspect of the processes, the punishment. 314 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.679 But if our justice system is that gone, if the 315 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.600 wealthy and strong and powerful people who rule us are unaccountable, 316 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:05.559 why are we allowing this to persist? And I don't know, 317 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.000 tell me if that you think that resonates with how 318 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:09.759 younger voting no? 319 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:14.480 And to see the common refrain I hear from my 320 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.440 peer group, and look, you know, I talk to people 321 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.880 on the internet professionally, so I realize in that context 322 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.039 I have a non representative slice, but you know I 323 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.400 do have a real life as well. The common refrain 324 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.799 I hear over and over again is I did everything right. 325 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:28.920 I did what I was supposed to do. You know, 326 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.079 I don't have debt, I have a degree in a 327 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:36.599 marketable field. And now what, I'm poorer than my parents 328 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.839 and grandparents were at this stage, an ever greater portion 329 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:44.519 of my take home income is taken for sort of 330 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.680 the basic parts of life. And so the floor where 331 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.079 you can start saving, where you can start building, is 332 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.759 incredibly high. Now, look that depends on where you live obviously, 333 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.759 cost of living, but that's an incredibly common refrain, right 334 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.400 this feeling, I'm like, wait a minute, like I did 335 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.079 what you told me to do. And now, as I'm 336 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.440 sure you know, the data on job placement for new 337 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.279 graduates is abysmal, particularly in STEM, particularly in these fields 338 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:11.359 have been hit by H one b's. And then when 339 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.519 someone says, well, the real issue is always you know, 340 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.960 mass immig or sorry, illegal immigration, but if it's legal, 341 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.519 it's fine conversation I had yesterday, you know, just personally, 342 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.599 and you're like, well, okay, for you, it is right. 343 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:26.640 These people, if they're here legally, are basically going to 344 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:31.559 be your servants into retirement. But for me, now I'm 345 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:35.200 competing against someone who gets deported if they quit their 346 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:38.279 job and works for sixty cents on the dollar. And 347 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.240 you know, due to a degree mill program in places 348 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.839 like India, on paper has more qualifications and more years 349 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.799 of work experience. Again, I say on paper, and so 350 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:54.039 look like I spoke to uh Peruvian bowl. You know 351 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.680 another guy, my a truly talented financial analyst unrelated, did 352 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.400 not prep him for this is just something we were 353 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.240 talking about mostly it was about housing prices, but I 354 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:03.960 just asked him, I was like, hey, man, how many 355 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.079 jobs have you applied for? His answer was six hundred. 356 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.799 Mine is about that. I know guys who are you know, 357 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.519 even well into gen X, who are sitting at you know, 358 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:17.400 four digits, And it's this feeling sure, yeah, exactly, and 359 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.880 it's you know, you can have a great resume, you 360 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.799 can have work experience, and you're just sitting there like 361 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.319 what the heck? Like I'm doing what I'm supposed to. 362 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.519 I'm trying to get a job. I'm not trying to 363 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.880 sponge up welfare. But at every stage it feels as 364 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.759 if the game is rigged. And so, okay, sure is 365 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.119 the individually correct answer to with your amount of power, 366 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.880 you know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, one hundred percent? 367 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:43.160 It is. 368 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.519 That is rational individual advice, Like if you were, you know, 369 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.519 talking to a nephew or a son, you would say that. 370 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.640 But on a political level, one that doesn't work, and 371 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.519 two when you were passing through ever narrower gates. So 372 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:01.000 for instance, right, I graduated high school in twenty seventeen 373 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:08.519 and applying for college was incredibly incredibly I would say, 374 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.279 humiliating in a weird way, because I'm sure you're aware 375 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.480 any college for sure, we'll say, you know, we accept. 376 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:19.920 Most medsays like I have to make myself sound mentally 377 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:25.440 conformant with insane radical leftists academy of people. It's horrifying. 378 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.039 Well, and the thing that I think many people and 379 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.559 this is this has gotten unbelievably worse for guys who 380 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:35.480 are just now graduating, where you would look on the 381 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:38.079 website and say, oh, I'll sail in. You know, I 382 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.920 clear these requirements denied denied. So you're looking at it, 383 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:44.960 You're like, wait a minute, I'm and obviously college choice 384 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:46.759 is not the biggest deal in the world. It feels 385 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.119 very much like that when you're eighteen, you're like, wait 386 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:52.200 a minute, I'm getting sandbaged. You know, I'm basically two 387 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.720 tiers below what I should be. And you take that 388 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.559 forward into hiring, you take that forward and everything, and 389 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:00.839 I think you have an explanation on two levels. One 390 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:04.480 why many particularly young men are basically saying like, well, 391 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.720 screw this, who's going to fix it? I don't care how? 392 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:13.079 And also, sadly, sadly, depending on your perscriptive, this is 393 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:17.279 the rebirth of identity politics. Right, you have created a 394 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.480 definite group of people who are unified by some immutable 395 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:25.319 characteristic that's coming back to one way or another. 396 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.599 I'll disagree with you thereon. Here's why. That's how the 397 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:34.519 enemies of change will describe this. And yet I believe 398 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.440 that deep down it's a profound obligation that younger men 399 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.759 feel in order to fix a problem. They're filling a 400 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.519 vacuum of leadership and have a moral imperative to fix 401 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.119