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Get the facts, be drink a where physic drinker where

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dot e meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly,

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flapping his wing, big down in on the forest.

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Speaker 2: Man, it gonna cause the tree.

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Speaker 1: Fall, letting five thousand miles away.

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Speaker 2: Man, Nobody see it?

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Speaker 3: Nobody else.

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Speaker 4: Why you don't need no play with them?

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Speaker 2: Like you follow and you get back. Don't black a dan?

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Speaker 3: You don't okay?

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Speaker 2: All right, Mark Mitchell? Look did the Jay Burden Show?

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How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Then? Doing well? We had some fun conversation before this thing,

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so I'm pretty stoked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. Obviously, I'm aware

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of you and your company and have been for quite

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a while. But I was really engaged by an episode

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that you did with Marty bent TFTC. I think is

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the podcast I'll drop it in the description, where the

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two of you discussed an ongoing generational breakdown in the

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broader right wing in America. This is something that I

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think myself and many of my listeners will be aware

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of on any number of issues. But I'm curious, right,

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what sort of motivated you to look into this? And

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I guess I should be a podcaster and lead with

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this if you could. You know, where are you coming from?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Why are you the person who can you know, speak

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about data like this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I'm a political polster, which is relatively commoditized,

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but I'm also like an honest, non establishment polster, which

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is not commoditized at all. There are actually very few

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of us. And the stuff I like to do best

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isn't really the political horse racing. It's hard, it's boring.

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I like polling on public sentiment, which is like, hey,

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you know, one hundred years ago, somebody said, well to

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people like chocolate or vanilla ice cream better? And somebody said, oh,

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I don't know, we'll ask them, and then the news

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thought that was interesting. But now what I pull on

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is like civil war, the death of the American dream,

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political violence, the weaponization of the justice system. And I

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find looking around that really nobody else is talking about

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those things, and that's because they've all been captured by

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a system that essentially wants to tell people what to

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think and not actually ask them. And that's why we

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wound up on the CIA's Naughty List and why you know,

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you're not allowed to ask questions about election integrity or

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vaccines or any of that stuff. And so so luckily

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with Twitter and you know, we've been pretty loud and

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vocal anti establishment voices because I think we can all

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look around and say, you know, this isn't Red team

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Blue team anymore. Like we're fundamentally not being represented in

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a way that feels like we're running towards a cliff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's sort of interesting. I had

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a conversation with gen X, conservative right, very intelligent woman,

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but it was interesting to hear the conversation break down.

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the election of Zoron Mamdannie, and she was very, very

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worried about this Islamic socialist that had taken over New

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York and my peers were by no means, you know,

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a fan of this guy for any number of reasons,

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but the concerns were entirely different. Like the word socialism

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was sort of this like dim mock right the death touch,

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and look, I'm by no means a socialist at all.

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disqualifying feature for your political career. And when I say disqualifying,

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I mean clearly it isn't from Mamdani. He will be

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in office, but that stink has sort of faded. And

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more broad, which is this kind of you could call

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it almost like a civic religion, these sort of you know,

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moral precepts of what is and is not acceptable as

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fully and totally collapsed. And maybe it hit the right

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creating this sort of situation where it's almost impossible to

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talk across that divide for reasons like that it's sort

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of this thought terminating word like a socialist or you know,

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there are others right to attack people on the right,

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but it is this sort of interesting moment of fracture

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where the kind of previous political order, their terms no

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longer apply. If you see what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 3: Mark, Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I mean, this is

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what is happening right now. There's a major political realignment

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and nobody in Washington, DC really wants to acknowledge it.

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and I'm here for it. As a public opinion professional,

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measuring sentiment on this is going to be wild, because

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what history tells us is that there's periods where opinions

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change really, really, really fast. And for people who don't

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study history, I certainly don't. There is a book called

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The Fourth Turning that was recommended to me by Steve Bannon,

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who actually fifteen years ago wrote a movie about this,

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produced a movie, and he's very precient on many things,

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and this was one of them. Because when I read

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the book, I'm like, oh, this is kind of interesting.

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I've seen more and more signs of this impending shift

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coming in my polling. And I think the most obvious

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example recently is people's opinions on Israel, but I could

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point to a ton of other examples too, and one

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of them like referring to the Mandami situation is to

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domestic versus foreign terrorism. And so it's like, Okay, Islam's

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a religion, like whatever. There's a lot of religions, but

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then okay, there's also this thing called islamis Islamic terrorism.

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really high favorability rating with under forty voters. Like the

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young people like him. The old people are like going,

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oh my god, socialism, that's terrible. And the young people

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like don't care. They just don't. And the older people

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are saying, oh, but he's going to be a Muslim terrorist,

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and they're like, no, he's not. I listened to him.

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forget the numbers. I think younger people are more concerned

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about domestic terrorism. I just posted it this morning. But

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essentially they're like forty points apart younger people versus older people.

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heard all this stuff. You know this, you know, we

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got to fight him over there, neo conservatives, George W.

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Bush kind of stuff. And so what I think happens

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and I think one of the things is going on too,

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is that people like to push values, and I think

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that when times get tough, values are pulled, and so

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people are saying, like, no, those values you're pushing on

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me don't work anymore. Vacuum needs to be filled. I

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like this better, and I think we're seeing that, and

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the Fourth Turning tells us this is happening, because the

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fourth turning crisis is that happen every eighty to one

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hundred years, are precipitated by a massive collapse and institutional

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trust because the old values mean nothing and have failed.

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values because boomers mostly built the system we're living in.

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to flip really soon. And boomers are saying things like, again,

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we have to fight them over there instead of over here.

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Israel is our greatest ally. We need NATO in order

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to fight against Russia, and increasingly the youth are just

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going to rebel against that because it doesn't work anymore.

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because what is it even conserved certainly not free market capitalism.

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you like capitalism or socialism? They say capitalism better. But

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then even the conservative under forty voters, if you say, okay,

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well how about this socialistic thing like well, free distribution,

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even the conservatives like, oh yeah, okay, we kind of

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need that right now. So you have this No, I

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mean there is a very straightforward, one dimensional political axis

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right versus left. It doesn't work anymore. Increasingly we have

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the horseshoe of politics where right and far right and

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far left are meeting towards focusing on the failed system

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that doesn't work for everybody anymore. And that's why you

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see things like JD. Vance polling very well because he

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talks like economic populist and he gets beaten by Bernie Sanders,

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and the way those two people talk on certain things

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are not very far apart. It all just comes down

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to like, well, how are we going to fix it?

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So I think that's really what's going to define politics

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over the next couple of years, which is increasingly people

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are rebelling against the people in power, and the youth

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are going to win is just a matter of time.

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and boomers are sixty that's going to completely reverse in

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like ten years.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's sort of why. And there's all these

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different colorful ways to describe it, you know, the one

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from four Chan, right is the day of the pillow.

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sort of funny. It is we are about to reach

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and depending on who you ask, it's either in four

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or six years. You probably know better than I. But

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the point at which we read fifty percent baby boom

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or mortality now, obviously, the way mortality tables work, it

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goes quickly, even in an era of you know, modern medicine, right,

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have like fourth turning. I think a large part of

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it as well. And this is something I've seen both

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on the left and the right, is that there's a

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large number of people who don't have the buy in

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necessary to assume the traditional conservative position of status quo defender.

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for any number of reasons, you know, there's been a

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peace out and compact about this, but we're you know,

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locked out, you know to traditional ways of accumulating money

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and status. And then also just due to you know

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a combination of inflation and you know, high asset values,

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becomes very difficult to become a property holder, to have

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a stake in society. Literally, well you're going to see

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people sort of throw up their hands and say, well,

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let's turn the table, like, let's just set this back

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to zero. I stand proportionally a better chance. And I'm

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glad you mentioned domestic terror because you know, I've been

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kind of look, I sort of came into my you know,

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political awareness during you know, the first Trump term, when

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you know, left wing political violence sort of re emerge,

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and so for effectively my entire adult life, you have

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seen this sort of worrying spiral of violence. The one

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that I always mentioned that no one ever talks about

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is those you know, twelve guys who set up an

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L shaped ambush outside of an ice facility where it's like, okay,

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they weren't successful. You know, it's not like there's a

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huge body count. But you look at that and you're like, okay,

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well that's there's twelve guys with some semblance of organization,

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that's way more than admittedly tragic cases where you know,

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some guy reads Catcher in the Rye and decides to go,

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you know, take a scalp or something. And I think

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that as you and I, you know, maybe this is

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kind of left wing or you know, socialist messaging, as

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we could say, but when you have that sort of dispossession,

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when you have people who don't really have a lot

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to lose, you know, they don't have a mortgage that

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would go unpaid if they're in jail, or you know

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a wife who would go you know, hungry, well that

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those sort of drastic actions are incentivized, or at least

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less disincentivized. And I think that that's one of those

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things that I feel very frustrated talking to conservatives because

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it's like one, like, you know, what happens now, Like

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they shot one of your guys literally in four K video,

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they tried to shoot Trump twice, Like you know, where

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do you think this goes? And if you don't provide

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those people one a sort of harsh deterrent which has

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been lacking, and two, to be honest, something else to do,

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you know, something constructive to do, Like where do you

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think this political violence goes because it doesn't just stop

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Speaker 3: No, it's coming. It's just a matter of how and

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who I think, really, to be honest with you, and

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that's why I've been screaming louder and louder, I want

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to avoid this scenario. The fourth turning crisises are almost

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always hot. There's almost always blood. Civil War, World War two,

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you know, the revolution going back. Probably some crap with

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the Indians and the French, I don't know, but like

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it's the numbers say that this is coming. Forty three

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percent of America thinks the Civil War revolution is coming

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in the next few years. It's a majority. I think

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the number was fifty six percent of under forty voters.

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That's not good. Number one concern right now in America

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is political violence. Ninety percent of people are concerned about that.

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That's more than inflation. I mean, it's just sick. They're

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over A majority of people thought that there was going

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to be a violent reaction to the twenty twenty four election,

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including leftists who think it's more likely that the right

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is going to pop off because of the January sixth

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psychological operation. That's never been healed, like where the hell

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is our jan six Commission? And I've been really outspoken

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about this because I think that the Republican Party is

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just completely mia like not fighting this, just a wall.

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I've been posting like the Shiel laboof, like just do

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this mean? Like what are you talking about? Why isn't

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anything happening? And I think the under forty voter also

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is most fixated on systematic reform. I've called it burn

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it down politics, and that sounds pretty inflammatory, nice pun,

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but I mean they want to replace a failed, unethical

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system with something that gets back to, in my opinion,

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core ethics of fairness and justice and honesty. And that's

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the Zoomer and the millennial politics is they just want fairness,

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restoration of integrity. And that's a pretty strong body politic,

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you know what I mean. Like, if you're an objective thinker,

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it's pretty easy to look at any policy and say like, no,

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that's stupid. We shouldn't be doing this transfer payment. No,

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we should get these people the hell out of the

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country because it's not better objectively, we have stats, and

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even the ones on the left like kind kind of

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talk like that. And so the problem I see here

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is that like Trump captured the youth zeitgeist, he got

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literally shot right right he got into power on retribution

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and building a golden age for America and draining the swamp,

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and he's literally delivered nothing on that. It's like he's

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the biggest person in America who forgot that he got shot.

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And I understand that's there's limitations. I understand that it's

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tough to arrest these people and get it to stick.

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But I think the way and I don't want to

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put words in your mouth, but zoomers want people arrested.

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And when they were happiest with Trump, it was during

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the peak Doge. You could literally go to Google search

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trends and type in doge and when it peaked on

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the last week of February, goes straight through as musse

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and reports dot com and look at Trump's under forty

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approval rating. It was sixty percent. And so every Republican

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in DC should have been like morally bound to understand

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why they finally did something that wasn't retarded and why

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the youth vote actually like Republicans for once, and they

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didn't care. They shut the doge down. And this was

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the same week Donald Trump is quoting Napoleon Bonaparte, And

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I mean, I just have poll after poll after poll

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first that shows that life is terrible for the under

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forty voters in a way that even you, like I

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don't know if you want to get into or not,

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like very much understated. This societalric is basically, the social

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contract's gone for the under forty. It's just gone. And

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I was, I'm forty five. I saw the whole thing

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fall apart, Like I had my career stolen from me

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by the HEB program that got passing the law into

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nineteen ninety. So this touches me too. But it's like

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if you're in power and you were given a mandate

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and that mandate has brutally reformed the government because everybody

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needs it. They're begging you. Only thirty percent trust the

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federal government. And then the reality is, well, the system

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doesn't work. We're never going to get any of these

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people arrested. They like, Comy's going to get off Scott

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free and that was just one arrest. Then I kind

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of think that you have an ethical obligation to get like,

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burn that system down, be an accelerationist arrest all these people,

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get the evidence out, and then fine, they're going to skate.

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I mean, there's an aspect of the processes, the punishment.

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But if our justice system is that gone, if the

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wealthy and strong and powerful people who rule us are unaccountable,

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why are we allowing this to persist? And I don't know,

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tell me if that you think that resonates with how

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younger voting no?

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Speaker 2: And to see the common refrain I hear from my

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peer group, and look, you know, I talk to people

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on the internet professionally, so I realize in that context

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I have a non representative slice, but you know I

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do have a real life as well. The common refrain

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I hear over and over again is I did everything right.

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I did what I was supposed to do. You know,

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I don't have debt, I have a degree in a

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marketable field. And now what, I'm poorer than my parents

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and grandparents were at this stage, an ever greater portion

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of my take home income is taken for sort of

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the basic parts of life. And so the floor where

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you can start saving, where you can start building, is

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incredibly high. Now, look that depends on where you live obviously,

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cost of living, but that's an incredibly common refrain, right

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this feeling, I'm like, wait a minute, like I did

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what you told me to do. And now, as I'm

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sure you know, the data on job placement for new

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graduates is abysmal, particularly in STEM, particularly in these fields

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have been hit by H one b's. And then when

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someone says, well, the real issue is always you know,

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mass immig or sorry, illegal immigration, but if it's legal,

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it's fine conversation I had yesterday, you know, just personally,

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and you're like, well, okay, for you, it is right.

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These people, if they're here legally, are basically going to

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be your servants into retirement. But for me, now I'm

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competing against someone who gets deported if they quit their

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job and works for sixty cents on the dollar. And

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you know, due to a degree mill program in places

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like India, on paper has more qualifications and more years

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of work experience. Again, I say on paper, and so

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look like I spoke to uh Peruvian bowl. You know

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another guy, my a truly talented financial analyst unrelated, did

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not prep him for this is just something we were

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talking about mostly it was about housing prices, but I

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just asked him, I was like, hey, man, how many

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jobs have you applied for? His answer was six hundred.

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Mine is about that. I know guys who are you know,

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even well into gen X, who are sitting at you know,

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four digits, And it's this feeling sure, yeah, exactly, and

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it's you know, you can have a great resume, you

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can have work experience, and you're just sitting there like

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what the heck? Like I'm doing what I'm supposed to.

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I'm trying to get a job. I'm not trying to

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sponge up welfare. But at every stage it feels as

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if the game is rigged. And so, okay, sure is

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the individually correct answer to with your amount of power,

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you know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, one hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: That is rational individual advice, Like if you were, you know,

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talking to a nephew or a son, you would say that.

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But on a political level, one that doesn't work, and

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two when you were passing through ever narrower gates. So

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for instance, right, I graduated high school in twenty seventeen

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and applying for college was incredibly incredibly I would say,

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humiliating in a weird way, because I'm sure you're aware

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any college for sure, we'll say, you know, we accept.

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Speaker 3: Most medsays like I have to make myself sound mentally

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conformant with insane radical leftists academy of people. It's horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the thing that I think many people and

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this is this has gotten unbelievably worse for guys who

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are just now graduating, where you would look on the

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website and say, oh, I'll sail in. You know, I

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clear these requirements denied denied. So you're looking at it,

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You're like, wait a minute, I'm and obviously college choice

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is not the biggest deal in the world. It feels

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very much like that when you're eighteen, you're like, wait

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a minute, I'm getting sandbaged. You know, I'm basically two

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tiers below what I should be. And you take that

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forward into hiring, you take that forward and everything, and

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I think you have an explanation on two levels. One

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why many particularly young men are basically saying like, well,

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screw this, who's going to fix it? I don't care how?

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And also, sadly, sadly, depending on your perscriptive, this is

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the rebirth of identity politics. Right, you have created a

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definite group of people who are unified by some immutable

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characteristic that's coming back to one way or another.

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Speaker 3: I'll disagree with you thereon. Here's why. That's how the

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enemies of change will describe this. And yet I believe

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that deep down it's a profound obligation that younger men

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feel in order to fix a problem. They're filling a

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vacuum of leadership and have a moral imperative to fix

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this system that is so much more profoundly broken than

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I think anybody understands. And just I mean, just to

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rattle a few off, you said, like the kids are

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better worse off than their parents. Well I've pulled on that.

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Only twenty seven percent say today's children will be better

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off than their parents. Only like thirty five percent say

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they're better off than they were four years ago. Economic

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confidence is plunging. I have a sixteen percent under a

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thirty unemployment rate. I have fifty two percent under thirty

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voters say it's not possible for everyone who wants to

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find work to find a job. I have an over

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thirty percent of people under forty admitting that they've been

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diagnosed with a mental condition. I have horrifying polls on dating.

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I have like forty percent of gen Z thinks they're

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never going to be able to buy a house. Like

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I could just go on and on and on. And

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that's before even looking at any economic statistics at all,

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which are also horrifying. The forty year first time home

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buyer price age. I brought that up at the White House.

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Donald Trump was like, what are we what are we

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talking about here? People love the home, high home values,

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and so when the people who govern us have absolutely

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no idea that the real problem is that the social

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contract has failed. And I think why young men looking

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at that is because we are fighting war against entrenched

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interests that want the current status quo to continue, even

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though it's marching us down a path it's going to

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end violently. That's where this goes. You know, we'll probably

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have hyperinflation, We'll probably But like the wealth concentration, that's

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a problem. The corporatism, Like going after these corporations that

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are just concentrating power. There's no creative destruction anymore. These

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people just paper over retarded decisions. With the stock market

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and with bernanke Bucks, like everything is literally corrupt, and

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you're gonna have these massive corporations that act as like

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quasi like like global like like countries basically, and Amazon

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might as well be a country, right, it's unaccountable to

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the US government who's been captured by it. And the

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problem is is that we have a system of basically

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global welfare. We were propping up China with manufacturing jobs.

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We're propping up India with manufacturing and offshort labor. We're

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sending all the US aid to like Africa. We're backstopping

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the military defense of Western Europe because these people have

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an expansionist like pushed to want to take over Eurasia,

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like every single person. Like we're literally subsidizing all of

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South America with the freaking drug trade and it's all

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coming from the middle class taxpayer and the music stopping.

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And I think young men just fundamentally know that they're

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being called to action on this. And I'll tell you that,

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like the corporate situation is even more diabolical. So, like

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I said, thousands and thousands of applications, but I was

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able to see in real time. I have a weird career.

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I was like Navy, then like banking, then I went

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and got my MBA. Then I was VC, then I

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was in like tech companies. My last job as a

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Walmart corporate, I saw the HEB abuse. It's ten times

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worse than anybody says, but I saw in real time

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as the actual return rates all my applications diminished over

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a ten year period. Now, could I get a job, Like,

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could I go network to the C suite and like

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kiss somebody's rear?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I probably could. But like, we're the keep that should

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be fixing these corporations because of the objective decision making process,

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the lack of feeling of a need for everything to

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be agreeable, for this consensus seeking feminized behavior. So there's

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this crazy article that just came out that jd Vance

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referred to that everybody's looking at now, And it was

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in I don't know, you know the one I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Compact. It was the one I mentioned earlier,

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I believe.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah yeah. So this is, in my opinion, the

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most important snippet. And that was a great article because

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it had a lot of stats, like you said, about

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white young men being replaced in all these companies. But

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what was interesting is it picked three industries. It was academia,

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it was TV scriptwriting. What was the third one, I

477
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don't know, but it was like a non H one

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B industry. None of these were even H one B industries.

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And that's even worse because over sixty percent of Walmart engineering,

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for instance, is Indian foreign national. But this is the

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part that tells me that young men need to really

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step up because the corporations who are one of the

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reasons that we've been so economically and competitively successful our

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ability to innovate and create amazing products that the world wants.

485
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So this is one of the vignettes that they were

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covering in this article. And I think this was, Oh,

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this was journalism. That was the third, and this was

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about a guy that works in journalism. Andrew, for his part,

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was unable to adopt the performative ally ship that had

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become expected in the newspaper. I always thought that I

491
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was an effeminate nerd growing up, but my way of

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expressing myself now puts me on the most masculine end

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of men in the media. I started to pick up

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on the fact that there wasn't much room for people

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who even speak in my timbre, and what does that mean, well,

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it's why I wasn't really wanted to Walmart Corporate either,

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because I would get in and my job wasn't about

498
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fluffing my resume and kissing my boss's rear and hugging

499
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it out with other teams, you know, patting ourselves on

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the back for saving ground people all over the world

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or whatever. Right, I would say, well, look, your team's

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screwing up. You messed up one hundred thousand customer experiences.

503
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Why isn't that fixed yesterday? And when are you gonna

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fix it? Why didn't you put that on the roadmap already?

505
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And how many times are'm gonna have to follow up

506
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with you? You retard, like that's what should happen in

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a corporation or any mission seeking organization that is trying

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to service shareholder value or you know, defend the United

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States of America or whatever that be, right. And so

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my big concern is that it's all going to fall

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apart because I mean, just look at look at what

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Cracker Barrel did. That's gonna happen in every corporation and

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every academic and just in the military, maybe even judiciary.

514
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It's all performative, fake decision making. Based on optics and feelings,

515
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and it has to end to where we are literally

516
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going to get picked apart by the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: To to sort of bolster that point, I have a

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good friend of mine, I won't say anything more than that,

519
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who works in the you know, finance department of a

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large company right in the healthcare space. And you know,

521
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he's kind of on his own island, but you know

522
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he hears things from everywhere, and so he's working on

523
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this and you know, preparing financial reports, and it was grim,

524
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things were not going well. And you know, he prepares

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the report, sends it off to his boss, and then

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you know, two or three weeks later, when he's in

527
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the meeting, it has been recast. And this phrase, which

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I've heard now echoed elsewhere, well we're not doing we're

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not doing well, but we are doing good, was sort

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of the way to spin it. The idea that the

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mission is not necessarily what it says on the tin

532
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right to be a X y Z company to service

533
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those sort of needs, but it's too kind of service.

534
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This broader, ill defined good. You know, that is sort of,

535
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as you've said, completely and totally performative. And look if

536
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that's one company, even if it's in a small market

537
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where it's important. If it goes away, something will replace it.

538
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But when that becomes every company all at once, you're

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sort of starting to look at this and you're saying, well, like,

540
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where does this go? Because you're creating this bizarre situation

541
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where you have this sort of untapped talent pool people

542
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who are capable and competent who are doing something now

543
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,400
they might not be doing something particularly productive. In fact,

544
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I think this is a large part of the reason

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you've seen the growth of like social media influencers, as

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it is a way you can make money. You know,

547
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it is a you know, rough meritocracy. And look, like

548
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I realized the irony of making this point on you know,

549
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a podcast that I have, but like that is individually rational,

550
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But then you have that person not doing something actually

551
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productive in the system that makes the world better, not

552
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producing something, And so it's this brain drain. And that's

553
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even assuming it's something relatively innocuous. But you are both

554
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harvesting out, you know, the sort of IQ and the

555
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sort of functionality out of existing institutions, pushing it to

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the outside and giving those people no direction. To me

557
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that seems fundamentally unstable, even setting aside the sort of

558
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national concerns you mentioned earlier, which is other countries are

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not making this mistake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's going to be a major competitive problem one

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hundred percent, and you're seeing it across all industries. Go

562
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no further than like what's going on at Disney with Marvel.

563
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This is you can literally chart the retardedness of Marvel

564
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,559
movies and it would track one to one with and

565
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I'm not making it about race or age, but with

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getting rid of and pushing out objectively meritocracy. You know,

567
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the top of the heat people they get, they got

568
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,920
rid of them. Now we have doors falling off Boeing planes, Right,

569
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we have government that just is absolutely incapable of doing anything,

570
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like even the military too. Right, nobody's been fired for

571
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,599
that crisis in Afghanistan. How does that even happen? I

572
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think you'll just look at every industry everywhere, and there's

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a lack of integrity and objective decision making. And not

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only that, it's like, okay, we've robbed people's agency because

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we have supported a system that concentrates power. So you

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can't open up a retail store. You're competing against Amazon

577
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,519
because the government refuses to go after anti competitive behavior

578
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with them, AI is going to increasingly be a problem.

579
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And I'm sorry, but the right has to have an

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answer for this, or even the conservative youth, they say

581
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when you ask them, well, if AI takes away jobs,

582
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are we just going to have to go to universal

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basic income? And everybody says yes, And I think even

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Elon is talking about that right now. And I think

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that's a horrible decision because of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

586
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How are people going to self actualize if there's no

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tangible way to prove that through hard work you can

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achieve more? Are we just going to give up on

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that as humans? And if the answer is no, then

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00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,279
the conservative movement has to understand that we need drastic, rapid,

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systematic reform. We need independent government that's willing to go

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after these corporations. We need to have the ability to see,

593
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like things that suck fail, and Donald Trump's not that person.

594
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I've gotten a lot of dms from disaffected three time

595
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,039
MAGA voters who are not Republicans, who are like burning

596
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:31,279
their hats and fifty five gallon drums out back, and

597
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,079
one of them said, I thought Trump was going to

598
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:34,960
be our Franco. But I guess I'm going to have

599
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,599
to keep waiting because, for instance, the Chinese students. We

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00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,480
have Chinese students like stealing bio weapons and sending IP

601
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,359
back and probably half of them are CCP agents. Then

602
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,680
they're propping up places like Brown University has a lot

603
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,279
of Chinese believe it or not, students on visa. And

604
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,559
there's these Marxist organizations where conservatives are dying and not

605
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:02,920
getting accepted and it's just harfying, like literally everything has

606
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,599
been broken and there's there's no systematic fix. And so

607
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,680
when you have a situation like this that's untenable again,

608
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,359
a vacuum is gonna get filled and if it has

609
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,319
to get bloody, that's probably where it's going to go.

610
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But we can't dollars marching to financial ruin. And it's

611
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,839
almost looking at Trump as like he's like, we're in

612
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,640
such a dangerous situation because he keeps pushing the Overton

613
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,440
window right, the Overton window. Your audience probably is familiar

614
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,359
with the concept, but the Left is good at systematically

615
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:43,920
using like uniform talking points and non government organizations and

616
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,839
marketing to unify on a message they have very powerful

617
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,799
online hive minds in order to continuously move everything more

618
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,039
left and radical, and the right doesn't have any counter

619
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,480
manning forces. There's no opposite, equal and opposite push on

620
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:04,359
the Overton window. Now influencers and Twitter are kind of

621
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,519
filling that void a little bit, and then Trump just

622
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,880
posting random stuff on true social But when you push

623
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,679
the Overton window right, and yet there's no political weight

624
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,400
or backing to any of this, that creates an issue too,

625
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,320
because these radical people are going to get increasingly increasingly

626
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,039
desperate to prevent the sliding ubiquitously to the left. So

627
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Trump's out there tweeting about Heartseller like that's a really

628
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,400
big deal. His State Department is talking about the death

629
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of the West in Europe and the kinds of things

630
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that they said and that release that they came out,

631
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,519
like these are things that matter and are going to

632
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,159
make a really big deal when continuously they find people

633
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,840
find that they can't vote for that in the Republican Party.

634
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,760
And yet when you vote for the left now it

635
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,800
is going to be a vote for democratic socialism. They

636
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know that their political movement, even though it seems fragmented

637
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,039
and it's full of really bad national political figures. They

638
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:07,039
have piled in behind democratic socialism. There aren't really moderate

639
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,440
Democrats anymore in the party, like in a meaningful way.

640
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,280
They'll lose because they have a nice little system of

641
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,079
carrots and sticks that you know, reinforce people staying in line.

642
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,519
And the Republican Party is still just it's just anchored

643
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,719
in this performative conservatism that's good for big business and

644
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,280
big business one like, this is the problem here. There's

645
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,199
a corporate oligarchy that has captured the Democrat and the

646
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,800
Republican Party. You call it corporatism, call it like neo global,

647
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440
homo corporatists, Like, I don't even know the word for it,

648
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:46,360
but it's perverse, and I think everybody fundamentally understands under forty.

649
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: So several things there. You mentioned, You mentioned Franco and

650
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one of the stories you've sort of seen this it

651
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gets head up every three or four years, is the

652
00:35:56,159 --> 00:36:00,880
idea that and it's normally expressed in a breathless tone.

653
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,840
It's like, oh, you younger people don't care about democracy.

654
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,159
I get think of an example, when you know a

655
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teacher basically you know, pulled the room of you know,

656
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thirty kids and said, oh, you know, would you prefer

657
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,119
you know, would you prefer And this is kind of

658
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,920
funny to think about now Hillary Clinton or you know,

659
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a right wing dictator. Now admittedly right some people are

660
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doing that to create a reaction, of course, but it

661
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,079
was I mean, I think there was one or two

662
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,039
exceptions who said, no, we'd prefer this kind of you know,

663
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baseline neoliberalism. So one, if you could, could you talk about,

664
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you know, in the face of these you know, sort

665
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of dramatic challenges facing the nation and facing younger demographics,

666
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:47,079
where do we look on issues like democracy? Because I

667
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,800
remember one of the things you you brought up that

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I thought was interesting is the relatively high number of

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people who were all right with the idea of an

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AI dictatorship for whatever that is. And so if you could,

671
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could you speak to that trend as well?

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, let me try and pull some of this

673
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,320
up while I'm talking the you know, it's tough to

674
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pull on labels, for instance, conservatism, like what does that

675
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,079
even mean right now? I would be hard pressed to

676
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define it. And the polling shows that younger voters like

677
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,519
behave outside of how they label themselves. So I ask

678
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,480
these people are you Republican, are you a Democrat? Or

679
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,039
your conservative? And then when you ask the questions like

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you're getting responses that don't really make sense. And then

681
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when you ask questions about things like this, which political

682
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party is the biggest threat of dictatorship or tyranny coming

683
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from Republican or Democrat party, Well you basically just get

684
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:44,000
an exact even split, and it's like it's Mets versus Yankees. Well,

685
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,440
my team's not going to do what your team is.

686
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So like, there's those kind of trends that make it tough.

687
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But what illustrating these things with sort of like ridiculous

688
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obtuse questions where you're like, oh man, people believe that

689
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has been very powerful and so again, and so you

690
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have Doge being extremely powerful popular with voters under forty,

691
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,000
that was a big one. Then you have we asked

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everybody if you agreed or disagreed that he who saves

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his country violates no laws, and under forty is agreed

694
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with that most I think it was fifty six or

695
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fifty seven percent. It was almost like three to one.

696
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,320
I think. Then we've asked about arrests. Under forty voters

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00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,840
want arrests more than anybody the AI question, and that

698
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,599
was weird. It was the conservatives under forty. It wasn't

699
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,599
the liberals at all. And the question was like, hey,

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AI is getting more advanced and people are frustrated that

701
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our government is less capable of making the decisions that

702
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,519
we need or something like that, would you support giving

703
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,920
control of governance and legislative ability to and advanced AI?

704
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,639
And it was fifty five to forty among under forty conservatives,

705
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,599
a pretty strong signal. And then you see things again

706
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
and I think that this would be the same with democracy.

707
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Is that okay? Well, which is better free market capitalism

708
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or socialism? And people say the right answer, They say

709
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,639
free market capitalism. I think it would be like probably

710
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,440
about seventy to twenty roughly off the top of my

711
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:14,519
head with under forties. But then it's like, okay, well,

712
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:18,280
you take the Trump voter under forty and you ask them, well,

713
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,480
would you support or oppose nationalizing major industries like healthcare, tech,

714
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:28,360
and energy? And like three corners of them of Trump

715
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
voters say yeah, of course, why wouldn't we do that,

716
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,239
like we should have done that yesterday? Would you support

717
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,400
or oppose a program that confiscates excess wealth like second

718
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,280
houses and boats from older people to help first time

719
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,400
home buyers. It's like fifty I think that was fifty

720
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,480
six percent of Trump voters under forty. So these people

721
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,000
are not They're just they don't act conservative. It doesn't

722
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:50,920
even matter what they say or not. So when you

723
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,000
hear these things like oh, gen Z is more conservative

724
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,599
than any generation, Like by what measure? They want you arrested,

725
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,760
Like that's canservative, I guess like they're ready to. We

726
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,199
had a skynet question. We literally said, would you support

727
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,639
giving control of the world's militaries to an advanced AI

728
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,239
in order to reduce the number of people killed in war?

729
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,320
And conservatives under forty it was forty ninety percent, And

730
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,559
of course the liberals are like, no, like you shouldn't

731
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,760
do that. That's a bad idea. Maybe we shouldn't literally

732
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,920
like literally launch Skynet. And so I think there's this

733
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,679
aspect of the like they want brutal reform and they

734
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:33,360
want it yesterday. The arrests, ignoring the judges and peaching

735
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,039
the judges. Yeah, they're and they're not going to get it,

736
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:40,559
and this like this was their best chance. And so

737
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,960
my advice to Donald Trump was like, this isn't enough.

738
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,039
You can't do a mission accomplished and say that we

739
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,159
fix the economy when fifty percent of all retail sales

740
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,639
is the top ten percent of income earners and people

741
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,400
have to work twenty two years to buy a house,

742
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,639
and uh, we give all our jobs to India. Like

743
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,599
what the system is? It doesn't work. It's like the

744
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:05,960
most precient thing ever written was apparently Atlas Shrug because

745
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,000
we literally Gen z and Millennials are basically hank reared,

746
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,119
like they're trying their best. They know the path. It's

747
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,199
not just like they listen to the boomers dutifully. It's

748
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,199
like like, no, like this PAS has been laid out,

749
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,280
I'm gonna follow it because it's the right thing to do.

750
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,079
I'm trying to support the social contract and not only

751
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,079
provide for a family, but provide for the rest of

752
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,639
the world because that's what the American taxpayer does. The

753
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:30,920
rest of the world is a freaking dead beat, and

754
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,039
we got to cut them off because we're like, literally,

755
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,199
I mean it's gonna get dark here. You know. We

756
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,800
got Western Europe that wants to build a fourth Reich

757
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,599
and get in a war with Russia. You have I

758
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:46,159
know that's going to be increasingly embolden as its economy

759
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,400
starts to fall apart and it needs to take drastic action.

760
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,199
You have South America, who's probably been influencing so much

761
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,079
of what we see behind the scenes, and now they

762
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,599
have a naval flotilla surrounding them, like you have India,

763
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,119
who's an ascendant economic force and essentially owns the engineering

764
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,719
departments of every one of our fortune one hundred companies

765
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,440
like there. I look at this situation and I wonder

766
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,559
what the path out is. But if it, if you don't,

767
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,639
if we don't break from the path, now it's gonna

768
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:14,119
get really bit.

769
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: Just a brief aside, I've never entirely understood how the

770
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,280
engineering department at every major corporation in America can be

771
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,320
majority Indian and yet India looks like India sidebar issue

772
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,760
won't come back to it, uh, but I think a.

773
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: Large part of it.

774
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,559
Speaker 2: But to go back to your to your point about

775
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,639
this kind of you know, desire for justice and desire

776
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,079
for kind of a fair shake. It's sort of this

777
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,800
this pinsion pull of you were competing for your job

778
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,960
against the poorest person in the world, and competing for

779
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,760
your home, competing for your assets against the wealthiest people

780
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,800
in the world. There are variables you can adjust there.

781
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880
And if the answer is, well, you know, will restrict

782
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,519
access to labor, okay, that's one answer, or you can

783
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,920
get you know, restrict to how much capital we can have.

784
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,960
And I think conservatives look at those two options and say, well,

785
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,440
I'm much more comfortable with one than the other. But

786
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,679
if you don't choose, you're probably going to get both,

787
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,440
or alternately, this thing becomes so unwieldy that it just

788
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,719
descends into Brazilification. But fundamentally, staying in the middle is

789
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
not an option. Just freezing this forever, because as you said,

790
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,679
the demographic can can tend. The demographic trend excuse me,

791
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:44,039
of the baby boomer generation passing away is going to

792
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,159
push the country into the hands of the youth. We

793
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,159
understand the relative voting patterns here, and so I've especially

794
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,000
frustrated with older conservatives because it's like, look like, is

795
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,960
the answer quite simply, you know, frozen corporate conservatism for

796
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,679
as long as we can hold onto power, and then

797
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:06,119
whatever happens after I die is indeterminate. Is that what

798
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,840
you want? Because that doesn't seem to be a particularly

799
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,079
conservative idea idea conceptually, I guess, but also right, you've

800
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,960
got to understand that, you know, if you're one of

801
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,440
the last guys there, things will be fairly unpleasant for you.

802
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,880
You know, we've already seen this with the rhetoric towards

803
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,239
the Trump administration, like Pete Hegseth has been threatened with

804
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,559
you know, being sent towards the Hague, right, yeah, let

805
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:35,639
alone the political violence. So like, even from sheer personal preservation,

806
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,320
you'd assume that people would understand that there is a

807
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,320
lot of anger here.

808
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:48,599
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I guess i'd answer this the answer

809
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:52,840
it this way. Everybody knows that morbid obesity makes you

810
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,440
like six times more likely to die by the age

811
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,679
or whatever. Everybody knows that's sitting around on the couch

812
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,599
and yourself day after day after day will kill you.

813
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,639
And yet how many people die on the couch that

814
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,039
overweight with heart disease? And I look at the Republican

815
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,519
Party and I think it's basically that, you know, everything

816
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,360
that comes out of their mouth's a bunch of bs

817
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,119
about how they're going to start a couch to five

818
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,000
K program maybe someday but it's like, dude, you just

819
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,719
got to stop eating. It's not hard. People do this

820
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,880
all the time, but it's like the political will is

821
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480
not there. And the reason I'm successful at my job

822
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:27,960
as actually I'm not a DC insider. I came from

823
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,239
outside of politics, and the polling ask actually wasn't that

824
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,559
hard if you're not trying to, like basically shill for

825
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,320
a broken system. And I go down there and I

826
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,119
visit and I talk to Republicans and I'm just not

827
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:43,440
it's not working. I talk to a Republican congressman on

828
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,320
the hill, and I think a lot more of them

829
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,199
are principled than you would think. And obviously they have

830
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,159
ties to big interests and they're going to make decisions

831
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:56,840
that are in the best interest of those people first, obviously,

832
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,199
but they will push back again these problems. But there's

833
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,199
no force or weight or strategy or unity. There's no

834
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,159
system saying well, this is what conservative means, and we

835
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:09,800
have to do this right now. And so Trump has

836
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,519
filled that vacuum with MAGA, which increasingly appears to be

837
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:15,800
just whatever the hell Trump wakes up and thinks about

838
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,039
on a daily basis, depending on who he talks to

839
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,079
and Unfortunately right now who he's talking to is Lindsay Graham,

840
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,760
Sean Hannity, Larry Ellison, and Miriam Maidleson. And so that's

841
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,559
the kind of governance we're getting. And the problem is

842
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:29,599
it's getting way too late in the hour for freaking

843
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,119
Miriam Madelson and Sean Hannity to be the president of

844
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,199
the United States. And so that's the problem. I went

845
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:39,280
to the RNC again, nice people. Joe Gruders is new there.

846
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,960
He seemed kind of cool. But when I talked to

847
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:47,360
the political and communications directors there and then seeing them

848
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,679
interact with their grassroots, it was just like, hey, we

849
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,719
got the right message, we just got to vote harder.

850
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,039
It's like you're going to lose. Then I talked to

851
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,679
grassroots organizations and they say, oh, there's so many grifters.

852
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,679
All this money he goes to, like people like Scott

853
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,440
Presler and he comes in and just takes credit and leaves,

854
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,719
and no money's going to the people who actually knock

855
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,360
on doors. And then they look at the state and

856
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,119
local Republican parties and it's like, oh, these people stand

857
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:15,119
for nothing. All they try and do is get their

858
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:18,800
establishment people to run. All it is is an elaborate

859
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,199
donor harvesting scheme. And you got to respect the left

860
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,679
for this. I mean, one of the grassroots people I

861
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,079
work with said, well, at least with Democrats, if you

862
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,960
give them a dollar, like ninety seven percent of it

863
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,239
is actually going to go to buy votes and to

864
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,760
like advertise and to go towards the actual you know,

865
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,519
cause if you give like buck to Republicans, half of

866
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,719
it's just going to go in consulting pockets. In fact,

867
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,199
they will make up like fake things to spend money

868
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,639
on just for the donor kickbacks, and so it literally

869
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,639
stands for nothing. And what you're seeing too now is

870
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,440
that there's basically an anti America first coup within the party.

871
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,559
And I thought that they would wait until after the midterms,

872
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,320
but they it was so bold, it happened so fast.

873
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,599
The second Trump slipped up a little bit, they completely

874
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,280
reasserted themselves and you saw it back and like right

875
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,480
after the Tucker Nick Fuentes interview, people were trying to

876
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,559
push Ronda Santis again on the internet and they're going

877
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,519
after JD. I think that going after Tucker was sort

878
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,679
of like a tangential way to try to attack JD.

879
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,800
Like they were going after the head of the Heritage

880
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,559
Foundation because of basically two words he said, and he

881
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,639
was one of the first MAGA guys, like the idea

882
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:33,400
that the Heritage Foundation this blows my mind. So you

883
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,719
can see some people are trying and Washington, DC is

884
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,320
resisting every iota change. The guy that they're trying to

885
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,360
oust from the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, who called some

886
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,239
people a venomous coalition, actually got on stage two days

887
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:53,800
ago and said the word corporatism. I can't over emphasize

888
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,960
how profoundly bold that is, because my experience with all

889
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,159
the think tanks is that Republican policy is literally just

890
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,599
there to do as little as possible that they're able

891
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,039
to get away with while keeping the major corporations happy.

892
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,800
And like, that's literally it. That's the game. That's what

893
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,480
all the money on the right in Washington, DC goes to.

894
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,599
And you're starting to like, see, you know, I talked

895
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:21,840
to the John Burds Society guy there and fest and like, Okay, yeah,

896
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:24,639
he's saying the right things. They're starting to wake up,

897
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:28,639
but it's just so hopeless. And I was like, really

898
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,880
anti elon America party just six months ago. I was

899
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,760
pulling on it, and I said, no, it's going to siphon.

900
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,360
It's going to siphon votes from the Republicans. It's going

901
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,559
to make the Democrats win. Now, I think it's time

902
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,920
they just need to put a bullet in this beast.

903
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:44,199
They need to fund the American Party, burn down the

904
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,800
Republican Party. We're probably gonna everything's going to be censored.

905
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,400
They're going to throw us into camps. But it's like,

906
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,400
let's just rip the band aid off. I hate to

907
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,599
be nihilistic, but the Republican Party just is not structurally

908
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:02,880
capable of competing against them pending wave of and the

909
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,039
bar so low. Their leaders are terrible. AOC is going

910
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,320
to be the president because and JD should beat the

911
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,760
hell out of her. But the Republicans have. The Republicans

912
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,679
right now are watching Turning Point and being like, hey,

913
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,920
that's our future, and it's like, Okay, it's one political organization,

914
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,760
but what about your entire game. Did the year to date,

915
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,360
just in the first three quarters, Act Blue, the criminal

916
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,400
organization Act Blue allegedly raised one point three billion dollars.

917
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,639
It's on track to do almost two billion this year,

918
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,360
and it's going to have probably about three and a

919
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,320
half billion by the time the midterms roll around, and

920
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,960
they this thing could have been under investigation five years

921
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,239
ago and it's just not. And so it's like they're

922
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,480
going to impeach Trump. There's going to be an anti

923
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,360
corruption investigation into every single one of its combinet heads.

924
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:56,480
They're going to have an Epstein commission on the very

925
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
first day, and we're to whitewash all the Democrat stuff

926
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:02,159
out of the Epstein file. They're gonna have commission after commission.

927
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,880
They're gonna have like hoaxes. They're gonna probably try to

928
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,599
shut down Twitter like it. I mean, the writing is

929
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,719
on the wall. So I mean, this is the big year.

930
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,639
Are we going to really go into the mid terms

931
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,599
without a single person being arrested? I'm giving Pambondi another

932
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:20,440
two months.

933
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,199
Speaker 2: It's like, well, at a certain point, it becomes like

934
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,800
furor bunker stuff, you know, like hypothesizing ways that you could,

935
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,760
you know, you can win it all back. And to

936
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,800
your point, that was the thing that I found really

937
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,199
sort of exciting about Trump two point zero is that,

938
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,199
you know, it seemed as if you know, after you know,

939
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,800
he was shot, that there was this flurry of activity

940
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,599
doing the sort of things that you would do if

941
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:52,559
you had decided to be a serious political party. Again, right,

942
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,079
going for those kind of body blows. We were going

943
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,320
after usaid all of these funding networks, the things that

944
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,960
would prevent what this backlash which is likely to come.

945
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,800
And then very quickly it seems as if all that

946
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,840
momentum died. And even in the face of you, as

947
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,760
we both said, many of these people going to jail.

948
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:17,159
I mean, look like Trump and his entire family, even

949
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,840
down to Baron, who's nineteen, can't get a bank account.

950
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,079
Like you think that they're going to be nicer this

951
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:29,119
time around. And again there's this great phrase I've stole

952
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,400
from one of my buddies, bog Beef, where he talks

953
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,239
about the Republicans as you know, the Washing Washington generals

954
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,159
of politics. Right, they've just existed as an organization to

955
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,679
get stunted on so that they can, you know, theatrically

956
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,519
allow the Democrats to win, because it seems as if

957
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,719
the stated and revealed preference don't line up. The stated

958
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,840
preference is to be a real political party for conservative

959
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,519
values and all this, but what they actually do, their

960
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,360
revealed preference is exactly what you've said, it is entirely

961
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,840
based off of the system of donors and consultants who

962
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,679
basically view every Republican administration as a way to harvest

963
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,760
and effectively, the Democrats get to rule and the Republicans

964
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,400
get to collect a danegeld whatever you want to call

965
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,559
it from fly over America, and look, that system works

966
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,360
for you, assuming the country works, assuming that the economic

967
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,280
engine was drive. All of this hits that bare minimum

968
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,960
threshold to keep running. But ultimately you're adding drag. You're

969
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,519
adding drag, You're adding drag, and so like, look like

970
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:41,119
if you start your car, unscrew the oil cap and

971
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,639
like put in like a few grains of sand. It's

972
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,039
not good for it, but it's probably fine. But at

973
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:48,760
the point where you've got a funnel the pouchful of

974
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,000
miracle grow dumping it down into the engine, it's like, well,

975
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,960
guess what, bud, that doesn't work anymore, both on the

976
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,199
level of sheer voters and also the fact that, like,

977
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,480
if you don't have an economy, you don't get to

978
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:04,400
collect money anymore. And the thing that I find so

979
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,159
frustrating in this is that I incorrectly bet on simple

980
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,920
I guess you could say selfishness incorrectly bet that you know,

981
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920
the freight train ten yards down the track would be

982
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,519
more interesting than the penny, you know, sitting in between

983
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,599
the rails. And apparently, no, apparently they will quite literally

984
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,320
cut off their nose to spite their face. I have

985
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,559
a someone unfinished essay on exactly this topic called the

986
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,920
you know, the Republican Samson option, because it's sort of

987
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,320
this thing of like, well, rather than let this party change,

988
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,079
I will destroy it. I will I will keep my

989
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,679
sort of control over this hill of ash. And I'm

990
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:45,800
glad you brought up JD and Tucker because to me,

991
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,119
this is something I found really interesting where you could

992
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,480
sort of see it coming that it was first, you know,

993
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,840
Nick found has the nick one has to Tucker. Then

994
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,239
it was nick one has to Tucker to JD. Van's

995
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,679
and now we've just discarded all of the other things,

996
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,719
and it's just JD. Van. You've seen this with you know,

997
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,960
this sort of discussion about the so called woke right,

998
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,159
where they're very cynically trying to say, oh, you know,

999
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,840
now the right has become just as woke as the left,

1000
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,800
obviously completely torturing that term. But it's so baffling to me,

1001
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:20,280
because the alternative is this sort of John McCain style republicanism, which, like, look, man,

1002
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,320
that didn't work in two thousand and eight, it is

1003
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,159
no longer two thousand and eight. And so the idea,

1004
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,639
and we saw this in Virginia right where I live,

1005
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,639
you know, where we can just you know, do something,

1006
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,760
you know, run the old playbook again and act surprised

1007
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,320
when you lose by you know, a historic margin. And look,

1008
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,239
one state isn't the end of the world. It is

1009
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,960
someone who lives here. I'd be really much happier if

1010
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,119
it weren't about to flip blue. But at the same time,

1011
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,920
as you've said, the fundraising, the public sentiment, even just

1012
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,559
the apathy among conservative voters. Look, twenty sex is going

1013
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,800
to be a bloodbath. And it's also important to recognize

1014
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,599
that that coup you were talking about, the way that

1015
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,280
it will be cast is that this is a repudiation

1016
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:10,159
of all of the populist elements of the republican platform.

1017
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,039
That's what the real problem was the problem is that

1018
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,599
we went to we went too far, and we need

1019
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:17,880
to tack back to the center. And we all know

1020
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,199
what tacking back to the center means. It doesn't mean

1021
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,840
actually centrist policies in any way, even if that were

1022
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,679
a desirable thing, but it means more big business, more donors,

1023
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,280
and will create a death spiral because who will vote

1024
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,519
for that?

1025
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. I even tried to redefine

1026
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:38,880
what I think politics is in order to help the

1027
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,920
right of get better at actually serving the people. And

1028
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,199
you see this dual access of economic freedom and authoritarianism,

1029
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,440
and I think that that doesn't really work anymore in

1030
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,079
my opinion, it doesn't reflect what's actually going on. I

1031
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:56,159
would replace the two axises with trust and authority and

1032
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:00,639
grift tolerance. And when you do that, people who are

1033
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,920
very intolerant of like theft from the system. You can

1034
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
call that economic theft, you can call it like government grift.

1035
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,320
And people who have zero trust and authority are in

1036
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,760
a quadrant I call burn it down, where they think

1037
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,880
the system they don't trust anybody to fix it, and

1038
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,960
they think the system is screwed. And I think that

1039
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,760
that's like most people, sixty sixty five percent of Americans.

1040
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:26,199
It's why Donald Trump was able to get and a

1041
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,599
lot of them are low propensity voters who would support

1042
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,440
a movement that could actually do this. And then I

1043
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,519
think Republicans right now are in high authority trust because

1044
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:38,920
they are the authority and they certainly are tolerating the

1045
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:44,119
grift right now. So you have Republicans and their base

1046
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:46,880
in two totally separate parts of the quadrant. Now I

1047
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,079
think in the other two quadrants you kind of have

1048
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:51,679
the Democrat side. So you have these people who have

1049
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,239
a lot of authority trust, but then they're not tolerating

1050
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,840
the way the system's working, the grift tolerance. And those

1051
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,559
are people who are like, well, elites need to run this,

1052
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,559
but I don't like their elites. Pete HEGXEF makes me cringe.

1053
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:07,639
I think Pete Booter Judge could do a better job,

1054
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:10,280
right And then you and so I think that's most

1055
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,920
of your Democrat voters and obviously they're retarded. And then

1056
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:19,159
in the lower right you have low authority trust, but

1057
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:21,880
they love the grift and that's like, that's your core

1058
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,079
kami in the Democrat Party. That's like AOC. They don't

1059
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:27,360
mean that stuff they're talking about. They just want to

1060
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,760
take the system back over so that they can continue

1061
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,519
to plunder. And like, I think that that's where it is,

1062
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,159
and you're like, I don't know if blood bass the

1063
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,920
right term. It's actually kind of surprising how close the

1064
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,360
polling is, and so I think for the major elections

1065
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,679
will be surprised that Republicans actually do better than maybe

1066
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,119
even the polling says. But there's a million miles between

1067
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:51,480
now and then. There is demoralization, certainly, but we're also

1068
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,280
I think, going to see increasingly insane's stuff out of

1069
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,960
the Democrats, which means that we might be more locked

1070
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,920
into like a really tight race where people are fighting

1071
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,840
over individual seats because it's only Democrat plus three in

1072
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,719
the generic ballot, which means basically a toss up. And

1073
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,079
then the map, you know, who knows whether Jerry Mannering

1074
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,199
situation is going to be, So that could be bad

1075
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:19,679
unless they arrest Act Blue and put paper ballots in place.

1076
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,920
And it's like a lot of like possible exogenous changes

1077
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,800
that could fix things. But like again, I think the

1078
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,480
bar is real low, and they brought me to the

1079
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,320
White House and I laid out a very clear plan,

1080
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,320
like I don't think this is hopeless at all. It's

1081
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,760
very very very easy, in my opinion, how you would

1082
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,280
fix this. But the problem is, I think that the

1083
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,639
Trump administration is just not capable of it. And the

1084
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,360
advice was very simple. It's like, sir, your approval rating

1085
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,639
is kind of okay, but the Republican Party is just

1086
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:51,760
seen as completely feckless and incompetent. And so you, in

1087
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,199
my opinion, instead of saying, well, we're already here, there's

1088
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,079
golden age because I brought down egg prices, that he

1089
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,079
should acknowledge act the actual scope of the true failures

1090
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:06,679
of the system, call out the corporatism, call out the oligarchy.

1091
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,119
Tell Americans that you're going to restore economic capability to

1092
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:16,159
younger voters and work with the Republican Party to lay

1093
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,960
out a long term strategy. What that looks like, a

1094
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,199
contract for America, economic populism, restore American dream for the

1095
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:26,440
young voters. That's prong one, and Prong two is brutal

1096
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,840
and visible government reform. You have to walk people through

1097
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,119
cleansing each government agency. Because the polling shows that like

1098
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:36,400
over eighty percent of Trump voters think the FBI and

1099
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,840
the CIA and other agencies still in need major reform.

1100
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:43,079
So like Cash Bongin or Dan bongino in Cash tweeting

1101
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:45,400
about the stuff they did in the FBI, it's inadequate.

1102
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,239
The system got so bad that people need to see tears.

1103
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,639
And so this is such a big fix that it's

1104
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,239
going to take more than a year. He won't be

1105
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,920
able to accomplish that mission. He won't be able to

1106
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,760
deliver the Golden Age to America. I said that he

1107
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,119
should show them a golden path. You could call it

1108
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,880
the fight Fight Fight plan for America and just get

1109
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:08,880
just say what you're gonna get done between now and

1110
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
November and give people a reason to vote for Republicans

1111
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:20,239
and like nothing, and it's it's I'm starting to get

1112
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:23,719
really black pilled because I was I was looking and

1113
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,199
Trump's talked more publicly about Miriam Maidelson than he's talked

1114
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:29,440
about under forty voters being able to buy houses.

1115
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: Well, and look like Miriam Madelson has a lot of money,

1116
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:39,760
but she only has one vote, whereas under forty potential

1117
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,480
home buyers is and I'm by no means a poster

1118
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,559
a larger percentage of the population than Miriam Adelson.

1119
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,599
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Nobody represents the American people. And Trump's

1120
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,360
trying to he wants to, but at the end of

1121
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,440
the day, like the feeling I got is that there

1122
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,800
wasn't some kind of like four dimensional strategy behind the scenes,

1123
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,280
Like I definitely think they came into the White House

1124
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,519
with a list of one hundred and fifty executive orders

1125
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,800
that they wanted to sign and the people that they

1126
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,320
wanted to get into office. But there wasn't this like

1127
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:14,719
they were not following Project twenty twenty five. Let's just

1128
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,920
put it that way, right. And one of the reasons

1129
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,920
I think the beginning of the year felt so successful

1130
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,039
is because the executive orders were good and they were bold,

1131
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,360
but also because Elon was laying out a lot of

1132
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,800
air cover. And what happens is, in my opinion, if

1133
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,360
you throw out enough positive stuff. I had to say

1134
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,079
the word vibe. But the vibe is such that people

1135
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:41,800
will overlook any of the small failings. So take that

1136
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,440
Rob Reiner tweet. If he had done that in February,

1137
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,519
everybody would have been like, I don't care. Look at

1138
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:49,000
all the people in Washington, DC trying to get criminal

1139
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,199
defense attorneys, you know, like that's what would have happened.

1140
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,639
But now it's like, why did he tweet that this

1141
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:57,400
is terrible? Why are the wheels falling off? And so

1142
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,480
the problem is is that they got rid of Doge

1143
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:03,440
like on purpose. And I don't know if it was

1144
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,519
a Trump decision or that Elon freaked out about the

1145
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,159
way that Congress was treating him, but I very much

1146
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,360
think that they the one big beautiful bill I think

1147
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,519
was a Republican like Trump knows they can't get anything through.

1148
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:23,320
He needs legislation. He can't write the bill himself. It's

1149
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,159
probably have been it was probably being written four years ago,

1150
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,800
just waiting for Republicans to get back into office, right,

1151
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:32,639
and it's all these favors and gimme dats and backscratching,

1152
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,239
and so they that was a Republican DC piece of garbage.

1153
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,119
And I think that they did as much as they

1154
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,280
could to make it look like Trump's stuff, but it

1155
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,079
certainly was never going to have any of the Doge

1156
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:45,920
thing in it. And I think Elon freaked out and

1157
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,199
they're like, Okay, can fine screw you, get away from me.

1158
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:51,559
We don't need you. And I also think probably right

1159
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:55,000
out of the gate, the Israel backers for Trump were

1160
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:58,639
very very same thing. They've been waiting for four years.

1161
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,199
We need action. We now all of a sudden, the

1162
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,400
Enrichmond is so is too high. The irishment's too high.

1163
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,679
And I think that Trump told Bbe probably behind the scenes.

1164
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:11,000
I'm just guessing to like, you know, back off, like dude,

1165
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:13,840
pump the brakes a little bit. I need the Republican

1166
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,719
bill through. And then what happened is the second the

1167
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:19,119
writing was on the wall, the r got kicked and

1168
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:20,800
it looked like the one big beautiful bill was going

1169
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,280
to pass. Then it's time to bomb. I ran. So

1170
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,320
you have all of these special interests in all their

1171
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,639
monetary things and all their punch lists, and there was

1172
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:29,880
never a punch list for the American people. There just wasn't.

1173
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,199
I mean, like the executive orders were it, and there

1174
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:38,679
aren't any anymore. And so what's the plan. And so

1175
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:46,119
the Republican inability to acknowledge the root cause of what's

1176
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afflicting America is, in my opinion, the biggest dereliction of duty.

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Because we know the left is insane. So if they're

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not going to do it, who's going to do it?

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Who's supposed to be the responsible, objective, pragmatic task the

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task masters that say no instead of democratic socialism, which

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will probably suck, here's your viable alternative. And we see

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over and over again. They literally can't. So the healthcare

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situation is a perfect example. Obamacare happened. We knew it

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was going to suck. They ran on repealing Obamacare, they

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never did it. They fund raised off the repealing Obamacare,

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they never did it. And so we know we have

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these subsidies coming, we know it's going to be a fight.

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They have months to deal with it. They spend hundreds

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of millions a year on conservative think tanks on health policy.

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We have a lot of big brains working on that.

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And the Republican solution to healthcare is Trump negotiating an

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MFN which will probably reduce healthcare prices three percent healthcare expenditures,

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but healthcare expenditures the government subsidized portion of healthcare expenditures

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like ten percent of our GDP or something ridiculous like that.

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So we're talking about a very very very small amount.

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And then the Republican legislative advent like response, because these

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subsidies are a wealth transfer, right, they tax people and

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then they give those taxes to other people. Well, the

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Republican answer was also a wealth transfer. It's like, okay,

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we're still going to tax people and give it to

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other people, but instead of putting that money directly attached

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to your plan in the marketplace, We're just going to

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dump it in a bank account that's held at JP Morgan.

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Like that was the responsible sides answer healthcare costs, And

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it's like what about, No, we got to fire the

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entire managerial class that's strangling healthcare. We got to break

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up the regulatory capture. We have to hold these companies

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accountable for killing people so that they actually have studies

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that show efficacy and safety, like correctly, right, Like all

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of these things that we know that you were if

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you or I were Franco in charge of the entire

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healthcare industry, Like I could fix that problem. It's not

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that hard. You don't need to be I don't think

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you really need to be a policy wonk to know that.

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Like we probably shouldn't throttle the supply of doctors, Like

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that's probably a bad idea. And maybe everything doesn't need

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to be a super expensive pharmaceutical drug that is barely

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effective at all. Like the number on REMS desi vieer

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is like, wow, the polling we poll on REMS desiviere,

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which costs I don't know, twenty thirty forty thousand it

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was rushed through, it never had really safety trials, so

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to speak, and the efficacy was never that high. I think,

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I don't want to put words in his mouth, but

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of the people who said they had a person die

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in the hospital of COVID, people thought that hospital protocols

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were complicit forty seven percent to thirty six percent. So

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America knows it. It's like these pharmaceutical companies kill people,

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and uh, we're like nothing, not even an acknowledgment. Like

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I guess it's good we're not gonna have red dye

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number forty or whatever, but but we're all gonna feel

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we're all going to die because we're fighting a civil

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war because healthcare took about twenty trillion of our thirty

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eight trillion, Like you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, the same thing you see like poignantly in like

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the UK or you know, Europe, where they have a

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you know, a more formalized system, but it's like the

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entire state is being absorbed into a pension program and

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that becomes the point of England is the NHS or

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you know, whatever alternative systems are, and it's like, look, man,

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like that is a real possibility, and it seems as

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if the way we're going to do that is not

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through nationalized system, but it basically comes out to the

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same thing. Like, one of the few areas of growth,

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particularly in like flyover America is medical systems, right, is

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you know, whether you go to you know, hospice, which

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is one of the few areas that a lot of

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hospital changes make money. And like, if you know a

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little bit about this, I you know, worked in this industry.

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But effectively, the combination of retirement homes and hospice are

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explicitly designed to reduce your income, your net worth to

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zero by the end of your life, to completely take

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that from your family redistribute it to that system. At

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which point it's like, well, even if people don't know

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that particularly, they see it. They see that, you know,

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01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,399
Grandma died penniless. They see that, you know, an entire

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,600
generation of wealth just got absorbed into.

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Speaker 3: How are you involved in the industry? That interests me

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because that's perverse because this generational wealth that the boomers received,

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that theoretically they should be passing on to the children

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is going to be harvested by corporations.

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Speaker 2: I won't say I worked for a medical company that

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provided being very vague here for obvious reasons, sure, but

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specific medical equipment oftentimes, I mean, you were you could

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very easily end up with it, but a lot of

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it was at nursing homes or you'd see people who

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were at nursing homes or hospice and you're like, I

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mean not to be grim, but it's like, hey, look like,

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,399
if you've really got three weeks to live, why are

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01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,479
we running a hard test on you? Like, I don't

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want to be rude here, but like we know the prognosis,

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and then between that and knowing other people who worked

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in that industry, you see that Like I can't say that,

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but there are there have been instances where a medical

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group connected to a hospital will get in trouble for fraud.

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And admittedly this is caught within the system, but it's

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oftentimes not particularly in areas like oncology and hospice, where

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they are deliberately Okay, what do you.

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 4: Want for lunch?

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01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: Let's cut to the chase.

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Speaker 4: I want cookies that's off the table, Broccoli and pasta,

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,640
pasta and a bag of crisps. No deal. Ah'm on

1282
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:58,359
tomato sandwhich my final offer, white bread, brown bread. Gunness

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01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:03,840
of both deal fel Johnston, Mooney and O'Brien goodness of both.

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01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,640
It has the smoothness of white bread with all the

1285
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,079
goodness of home meal. It's the bread where both sides win.

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So he was like messaging me all night and then

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he just ghosted me your way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He was like, you're so hot, I want to come over, okay,

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And I was like cool, and he was like, I'm

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:29,359
on my way, driving over right now. And then nothing.

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Speaker 1: Phone use while driving can be deadly. Your phone. It

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,079
won't kill you to put it.

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 4: Away from the road Safety Authority visit orsa do.

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Speaker 2: IE funneling people into those programs because they're incredibly expensive

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and they can collect a lot of money, and so

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they will funnel someone who could have lived another three

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or four years on the hospice so they can take

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that and siphon it up. That is all alleged.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to kill them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, And so you look at that and you're like, okay, well,

1302
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like that is creating an immense amount of anger. And

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01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:10,239
when you know, like look like even Curtis Jarvin of

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01:12:10,279 --> 01:12:12,319
all people, was talking about this, but I thought was interesting.

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,680
But he was talking about the fact that you know,

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healthcare has sort of reached this point where even in

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his wealthy San Francisco bubble, large portions of people are

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,680
simply making a bet, simply saying, well, I can't afford this,

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,880
so I'll just roll the dice and hope that nothing happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, those are the people that have to

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pay for the end of life care for boomers. They're

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subsidizing boomers. Everything's about that freaking generation. And we haven't

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01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:44,880
even seen the full wave in my opinion, of chronic chemotherapy,

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01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,199
of the diabetes like end of life care, of all

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01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:50,479
of the hospice, of all the insurance money that's going

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,279
to go to the boomer generation. So they literally stripped

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01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:56,239
mind the economy and they're gonna give us a big

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01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,359
middle finger on the way out. And already healthcare is

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01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,600
like the biggest employer in almost every state now. But

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what blows my mind is, like, look back at the

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,199
absolute state of Americans, like building the freaking you know

1322
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:15,760
kind of railroad, right, like freaking terraforming the West, the wilderness,

1323
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:21,560
and like I look at pictures of the Chicago Columbian

1324
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Exposition of eighteen ninety three and just look at it

1325
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:27,439
and say that that was America, like that Ferris wheel

1326
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:32,479
they built, like those vast Greco Roman columns, this amazing

1327
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,920
thing they put together in like six months, and whatever

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,239
it is. And now we're saying, as Americans, we can't

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01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:45,159
step into the healthcare industry and immediately spot the misalignment

1330
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:49,159
of pricing incentives that are causing this. Why do we not?

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01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:51,479
Why why can we send a man on the moon

1332
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,560
but we can't immediately say, well, wait a minute, they

1333
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,760
can order all these expensive tests whenever they want, and

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we have we have have Medicare codes for things that

1335
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,399
aren't going to change anybody's life, but it's the gold

1336
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,159
standard because somebody took like a bribe. Is this really

1337
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,439
what's gonna kill us? And it is. If we had

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,960
capped I had rock run this. If we had capped

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Medicare and Medicaid at a percent of GDP in nineteen

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01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,119
seventy and just kept it there, then we would have

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I think it was twenty one trillion less in debt,

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01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:26,560
might have been nineteen Sorry, correct me if I'm wrong.

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,720
So I like, that's it. The dollar is gonna die.

1344
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,199
The American you know, reserve currency status is eventually going

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01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:37,760
to go away, and it was because we promised too

1346
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,560
much healthcare to people that didn't even work, so that

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,239
doctors could drive Mercedes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it's it's killing doctors as well, right,

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Like the the bizarre push and pull has created the

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system where doctors are also punished for hyper productivity. There's

1351
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,319
a person I know quite well who's literally been fired

1352
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:05,159
for doing too much because it's not billable. Right. We

1353
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:08,920
don't care about what you do functionally. What we care

1354
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,439
about is RVUS. What we care about is billable codes.

1355
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Discussion for another time, Mark. Unfortunately, I'm getting a text

1356
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:18,279
from my wife that I need to go. But this

1357
01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:21,239
was a fascinating discussion. And dude, where can people find

1358
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:22,159
you and find your work?

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well you could get tweets like that very sentiment

1360
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,600
that you just talked about. I would just like to

1361
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,000
see a healthcare system where fat people have to run,

1362
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:33,520
you know, like you could go to honest Polster on

1363
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,159
Twitter and see wonderful takes like that. Our main account

1364
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:40,079
is ras must and Underscore Pole and we have a

1365
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,399
YouTube video as well where we go into the numbers

1366
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:44,520
and talk about polling and what it means and where

1367
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,079
we're going, which is pretty wild right now, so I

1368
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hope to see people there, ras Must and Underscore Pole

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on YouTube as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man, This was not at all an encouraging conversation,

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but I hope it was informant.

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Speaker 3: Go get a drink. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As far as my stuff, this is what I do.

1375
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,399
If you want to support me, you can throw me

1376
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,960
a few bucks a month on Patreon, Substack or gum Road.

1377
01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:08,359
You get the episodes early in ad free. Can also

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,760
check out our sponsor, Axius Remote Fitness Coaching. Again, Mark,

1379
01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:13,560
I really appreciate you coming on man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was great. Thanks so much.

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01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 2: Good conversation to everyone at home, keep your head up.

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Why can't last forever? Good night,