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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to ouch. Was that a ghost? This podcast may

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<v Speaker 1>contain graphic material which some listeners may find disturbing. Listener

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<v Speaker 1>discretion is advised, is advice?

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<v Speaker 2>Yu me?

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<v Speaker 1>Now that we covered that, here's your host list.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Oach. Was that a ghost? I have

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<v Speaker 2>with me an amazing co host today, Miss Daisy from

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<v Speaker 2>the Film Joe podcast and also.

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<v Speaker 3>From Adventures in eighty Cinema, Yes, Adventures in eighty Cinema

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<v Speaker 3>dun Dune.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been so long since I've seen you, Daisy.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed you. I missed you too. Oh, I totally

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<v Speaker 3>missed you. But I'm glad I'm back and we get

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about some cool stuff today.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, of, what is a nickname for Daisy?

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<v Speaker 2>Daisy is the nickname?

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<v Speaker 3>People they call me different things. I've been called.

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<v Speaker 2>Days, that's not a lot of effort.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been called blazy, Okay, I like that that that's

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<v Speaker 3>for a totally different reason. The most common is days.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no really, yeah, I can't really think of anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my brother calls me Beauford for while he was

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<v Speaker 3>calling me Butch, and I wanted to kick hiss Aster

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<v Speaker 3>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Brothers. That's so annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Beauford. I think that's the name of a monkey.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, that was Clyde. That was another name that

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<v Speaker 3>he called me was Clyde from the from this movie

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<v Speaker 3>Clint Eastwood movie where he had an orangutang and his

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<v Speaker 3>name is cly So he would call me Clyde. He

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<v Speaker 3>calls me Beauford. And the thing is is that I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be like all the way on the other side in

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<v Speaker 3>a party full of people, and he'll yell out and

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<v Speaker 3>I will turn around and I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Respond feeding into it. You have to cut the cord.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, I know. Unfortunately I never did

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<v Speaker 3>come up with the cooling nickname for my brother, you know, dumbass,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know that's kind of generic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna have to workshop something for Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>We are, we are.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be the after show. We'll be workshopping there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So, what do you got for me today? What kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stories he got for me today?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows well. Most people have heard of the Salem

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<v Speaker 2>witch trials, right that started in sixteen ninety two, where

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen people were sentenced to death. Fourteen women and five

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<v Speaker 2>men were executed by hanging on Gallows Hill, and one

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<v Speaker 2>man was pressed to death right because he didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give his land away. That's not accounting for the

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<v Speaker 2>people who died in jails while awaiting trial due to

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<v Speaker 2>the horrendous conditions. This well known witch hunt was not

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<v Speaker 2>the first of its kind. Today, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Pendle witch trials.

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<v Speaker 3>Trials, all right, all right, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>They occurred over only two days most in I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say this wrong. I think it's lancash Lancashire, Lancashire. It's

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<v Speaker 2>spelled like Lancaster. But I think it's Lancashire. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>people say even though it doesn't look like.

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<v Speaker 3>It really, so it's spelled Lancaster. Yeah, I would go

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<v Speaker 3>with Lancaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll do Lancaster. Make all the UK people hate me.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the trials was held in York. This was

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<v Speaker 2>about eighty years prior to the sale In witch trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and resulted in twenty people being accused, some were acquitted,

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<v Speaker 2>one was found not guilty and sentenced to the pillory.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what that is, right when you sit in

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<v Speaker 2>town and you're like hanging, so everyone can walk by

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<v Speaker 2>and be like haha, idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, kind like a shame kind of deal. They're

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<v Speaker 3>shaming you, shame game with you.

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<v Speaker 2>One died in prison while awaiting her trial, and ten

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<v Speaker 2>were executed by hanging. These numbers were huge for the

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<v Speaker 2>area because in England this accounted for two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>those executed for witchcraft over two days.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, So, what, okay, because I know that that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these people they were you know, sentenced to death or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they were put through these trials for really

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<v Speaker 3>really stupid things. Like what were some of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>that they would you know, they would do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like Salem. It's like anything you were

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<v Speaker 2>a woman and like your cow didn't give milk, or

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<v Speaker 2>like your neighbor's tomato plants didn't grow. It was basically

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, like because people needed something to blame, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not science. It's either like good or evil

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<v Speaker 2>or witches.

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<v Speaker 3>Or just you know, just like a means to get

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<v Speaker 3>back at somebody, Like somebody slept with somebody else's husband

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<v Speaker 3>and she's like she's a witch. She put a spell

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<v Speaker 2>No other explanation.

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<v Speaker 3>Were there children involved in these trials?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a child witness.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, really oh great, mm hmm, totally credible.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what Salem had too, that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>started it, and this was kind of the blueprint for Salem.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>England in total has executed less than five hundred people

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<v Speaker 2>in over three hundred years. But the only reason we

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<v Speaker 2>know so much about these trials is because Thomas Potts

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<v Speaker 2>recorded the trials in the Wonderful Discoveries of Witches in

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<v Speaker 2>the County of I'm going to say Lancaster, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that's how I think it's Lancashire.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into it. So there's a hill located in

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<v Speaker 2>the east of Wlancashire, England, that dominates the landscape called

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<v Speaker 2>Pendall Hill. Sheeps grays on its slope, Stonewall divides ancient fields,

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<v Speaker 2>and quiet villages sit beneath its shadow. At first glance,

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<v Speaker 2>Pendall Hill looks peaceful, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It became the setting for one of England's most infamous

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<v Speaker 2>witch trials. It's not simply a story about witches. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a story about poverty, family rivalries, religious tension, fear, and

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<v Speaker 2>the terrifying consequences of what can happen when suspicion is

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<v Speaker 2>accepted as evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>To understand what happened in Pendel, we need to travel

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<v Speaker 2>back to the fifteenth century. There was a book published

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<v Speaker 2>in fourteen eighty six in Germany titled the Malleus Maleficarium

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<v Speaker 2>Melficarum Melificarium Melficarum, or with the Hammer of the Witches.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, that's right, we'll roll with that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was written by clergyman Henricus Instittur.

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<v Speaker 3>The heck U is up with these names? Good God?

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<v Speaker 3>What's wrong with good old fashioned bob? You know, good

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<v Speaker 3>Lord Henricus Hendericus.

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<v Speaker 2>So the book explained which powers and gave instructions on

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<v Speaker 2>how to hunt witches and if which was found. It

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<v Speaker 2>explained how you had to torture and lie two said witches,

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<v Speaker 2>and this would help obtain a confession during a trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my dear God, that is awful. I would have failed.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have been burned at the stake.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, I'm not even really a witch, but I

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<v Speaker 2>would be burnt anyways, because my familiar immediately Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's scary. That's really scary. I think

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<v Speaker 3>those times would have been horrible to live in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you're afraid to talk to anybody. And at that if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't talk to anybody they call you a witch,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you're fucked out of the way. It's good guard.

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<v Speaker 2>It did say that men could be witches too, but

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<v Speaker 2>most were women because they're more susceptible, because women are

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<v Speaker 2>weaker and they're promiscuous.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, bullshit, God damn it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, if you didn't know it was a man that

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no shit, huh. Just just be honest, how many

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<v Speaker 3>actual practicing witches did they actually get? You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure none of these people were practicing witches.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a witch back then could also just be a healer,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you knew that AlOH is good for a sunburn,

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<v Speaker 2>then huh yeah, practice in witchcraft, which is just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>holistic medicine witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have kept that to myself, like you burned,

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<v Speaker 3>good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was a way to make money and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people were struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So the book was basically a witch hunting book, and

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<v Speaker 2>because some religious figures endorsed it, it became very popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Many many many people read it, including King James the

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<v Speaker 2>sixth of Scotland, who later was King James the First

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<v Speaker 2>of England, which is kind of confusing, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>ruled in Scotland then in England. That's why he has

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<v Speaker 2>a different title. Okay, he studied, like studied this book,

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<v Speaker 2>and King James himself went on to write his own

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<v Speaker 2>book of how to Hunt Witches and not nineteen in

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen ninety seven. The book was called Demonology, which encouraged

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<v Speaker 2>belief in witches and explained why they should be hunted.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the king, so authorities and people took this

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<v Speaker 2>matter seriously. It's not like Joe Schmoe wrote this, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that was their king exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>King James was terrified of witchcraft. In sixteen oh four,

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<v Speaker 2>he passed the Witchcraft Act, which replaced the previous Act

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<v Speaker 2>that Queen Elizabeth I had passed, making witchcraft a capital felony,

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<v Speaker 2>punishable by death if the witchcraft performed was harmful to others.

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<v Speaker 2>So at least it had the caveat you could practice,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's only punishable by death if you're hurting somebody exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean did they really believe this though? I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they believed in witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well he did. I don't know if everybody did,

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<v Speaker 2>but he really really feared it.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, because you know, he was so reputable,

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<v Speaker 3>did I say, right, yeah, you know they believed him.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that was the climate of the time. A

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<v Speaker 2>king on a witch hunt. In the year sixteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>England is ruled by King James the First and only

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<v Speaker 2>a few years earlier he had the gunpowder plot, which

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<v Speaker 2>nearly destroyed Parliament. I don't know if you ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>of that, with the guy fowx masks, which you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>in other things. No, well he was he basically it

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<v Speaker 2>was like King James versus the Catholic Church, and Catholics

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<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to practice, so he wanted to stop King

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<v Speaker 2>James from preventing that. So they did the gunpowder plot,

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<v Speaker 2>which tried to blow up wow, everything so they could

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Religious conflict just divided the nation, and the supernatural was

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<v Speaker 2>accepted as part of everyday life. People believe that angels

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<v Speaker 2>walked among them, demons did too. If your child became

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<v Speaker 2>ill overnight, if your crops failed, if your cow suddenly died,

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<v Speaker 2>there had to be a reason, and often the reason

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<v Speaker 2>was witchcraft.

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<v Speaker 3>Not because of you know, some kind of disease or no.

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<v Speaker 3>It's rough.

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<v Speaker 2>Life around Pendle was not easy. People struggled. Most families

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<v Speaker 2>survived through farming, but harvests are unreliable. Food shortages were common.

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<v Speaker 2>Medical care barely existed, and many relied on the law healers,

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<v Speaker 2>usually older women who knew herbs and traditional remedies. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of those remedies worked and some didn't. If they failed,

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<v Speaker 2>the healer could suddenly become a suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, that sucks. I mean, that would make me

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<v Speaker 3>not want to do shit. I wouldn't even risk it.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. But if that's the only way you can

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<v Speaker 2>for your kids, versus maybe I'm gonna get hung damn.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you really got to believe in what you're

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<v Speaker 3>that's your life. You're not just getting fired and you

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<v Speaker 3>can be like, oh, I could just fall for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>unemployment or you know, look for another job. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Which unemployment?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, oh my god, that's the trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Among the poorest families were two who already despised each other,

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<v Speaker 2>the Demdikes, who was headed by the elderly widowed Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>Southerns who they called Old dem Day Well okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>heading each family. Yeah, her name was Anne Whittle or

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Chattox. They competed for money earning through healing like begging,

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<v Speaker 2>selling charms, but they had old grudges that simmered beneath

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<v Speaker 2>the surface. Something about the Chattox family supposedly stole something

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<v Speaker 3>So there were like the hot Fields and the McCoys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was like, I think somewhere said like fifty

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<v Speaker 2>like most of their life like hating the other family.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, that's that's some shit. I'm sorry. What was the

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<v Speaker 2>So in some sites it says because one family stole

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<v Speaker 2>something from the other, and there's another account that one

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<v Speaker 2>family was supposed to pay oatmeal to the other family,

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<v Speaker 2>like eight pounds of oatmeal every year, and one year

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't, so the father died. So they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were given the oatmeal to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>Holy, I don't know, damn o man. Shit was serious

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<v Speaker 3>that people dying from lack of oatmeal. Ye I'm looking

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<v Speaker 3>at oatmeal through different Oh wow, Okay, now I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead. Oatmeal thing just got me going.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody imagined those grudges would eventually send people to the gallows.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything changed on a spring day when a young girl

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen she was ninety and this was so long ago,

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<v Speaker 2>like you get different ages, but she seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen nineteen year old girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name was Alison. It's al I z o n

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<v Speaker 2>like not Alison, but Alison. That's a pretty name.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Alis.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good nickname for Allison.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 2>She was Alison Device, the granddaughter of old dem Dyke.

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<v Speaker 2>She was walking down a country road and she encountered

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<v Speaker 2>a traveling peddler named John Law and she asked him

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<v Speaker 2>for some pins. Pins were surprisingly valuable at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like just metal pins. They were like handmade. Some were

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<v Speaker 2>used for like medicinal purposes or spells or charms. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if she was asking for free pins or

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<v Speaker 2>if she had money, but either way, Law refused to

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<v Speaker 2>sell or give her pins, and moments later, the story

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<v Speaker 2>goes that a dog appeared next to Alison, a familiar

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, and asked Alison what she wanted the dog

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<v Speaker 2>to do to the man, that he could lame him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then John Law suddenly got a pain down the

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<v Speaker 2>left side of his arm and then he collapsed.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, she gave him a stroke.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly it. Some say he suffered a curse or

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<v Speaker 2>a stroke. Nobody knows though, but that does sound modernly

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<v Speaker 2>like a stroke, yeah, exactly. Rumors spread immediately. People claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that Alison had cursed him, and even Alison herself reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>confessed that she had bewitched the man. What nobody knows

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<v Speaker 2>if that was like she really believed she had powers,

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<v Speaker 2>or if she had guilt, or if it was like

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<v Speaker 2>pressure from authorities, because you know how you can pressure witches.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but we'll never know, or I mean maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 3>in her mind she's like, you're not going to give

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<v Speaker 3>me a pen. I hope you fucking die, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know he saw the freaking dog freaked out,

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<v Speaker 3>had a stroke and died.

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<v Speaker 2>That could happen. It was just like a terrible series

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<v Speaker 2>what is it? A series of unfortunate events exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she legit felt like she actually did it.

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<v Speaker 2>The incident said in motion something that nobody can stop.

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<v Speaker 2>The case reached local magistrate Roger Knowle, which a magistrate.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the law enforcer back then. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>see him just kind of in courts, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>like the law right. So when Roger Nole found out,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't the same as like village gossip. He had

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<v Speaker 2>legal authority, so he began questioning suspects, and the accusations,

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<v Speaker 2>like in Salem, just kept growing. Families that held decade

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<v Speaker 2>long feud now had an outlet to openly an act

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<v Speaker 2>revenge against one another. Old Demdike, who is now over

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years old. She was pretty much blind too. She

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<v Speaker 2>admitted to making charms and performing spells. Old Chaddix also

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<v Speaker 2>admitted to using magic to an act revenge on how

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter was treated, and the magistrate, Roger Knowles, saw

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<v Speaker 2>this as an opportunity to impress the king who was

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with hunting witches. So he just continued questioning the locals,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get answers, plicate more people.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's bringing everybody down.

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<v Speaker 2>And Alison started implicating her own family members.

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<v Speaker 3>What was it to save herself or.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because she admitted herself too, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get. I mean, it could have been like

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<v Speaker 2>we're both healers, our family is the real one, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or it could be like I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the families are hurling accusations back and forth. Alison

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<v Speaker 2>said that Chaddix murdered four men, including her own father,

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<v Speaker 2>like the deal that I talked about earlier, that the

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<v Speaker 2>father was so afraid of old Chatticks that he paid

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<v Speaker 2>her every year eight pounds of oatmeal not to hurt

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<v Speaker 2>their family.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he was on his deathbed, he said that

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<v Speaker 2>Chaddix did it because he hadn't paid her that year.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's my oatmeal, you bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Others accused their own neighbors. Old disputes resurfaced, and stories

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<v Speaker 2>from decades earlier suddenly became evidence. One witness remembered seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a dead cow. Another recalled an unexplained illness.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. So they're just digging up all kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of shit from the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, damn, this is like next level petty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, seriously, like, oh my god, like damn, like shit

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<v Speaker 3>that they were peeved from back then that really didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get resolved, Like it's getting resolved now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like your cow pooped on my lawn. I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was twenty five years ago to the day. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>I still got it under my shoe. God dang.

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<v Speaker 2>Others said that strange words were spoken after an argument. Individually,

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<v Speaker 2>none of this proved witchcraft, but together they formed a

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<v Speaker 2>frightening picture in the minds of investigators and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the women who was accused, Alice Nutter, she wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how the Chaddix and the Demdikes were. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really have a lot of money. They were known

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<v Speaker 2>to beg around town. Alice Nutter was not a beggar.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, she was a well off landowner. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>rumored that she had a land dispute with Robert Knowle,

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<v Speaker 2>who was doing the investigation, so he wanted her land.

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<v Speaker 3>So when Yeah, so they saw this as a perfect opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Then came one of the most famous moments

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire case. On Good Friday, several relatives and

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors gathered at a place known as Malclin Tower, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the home of the Demdikes. You hear malcl Tower

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<v Speaker 2>and you're thinking, like, gorgeous tower, right right. But Malclin

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<v Speaker 2>or Makin Tower was more of a hut. And Malcln

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<v Speaker 2>is slaying for slut and Macin is slaying for shit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if it was slut tower or

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<v Speaker 2>shit tower.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, I don't know which one is worse. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a slut tower. Wow, damn. So what were they doing

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<v Speaker 3>in this in the tower?

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<v Speaker 2>So it could have been the tower the hut. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it is a tower, but some think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a secret witches meeting, or it could just be a

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<v Speaker 2>family gathering because their family members are imprisoned. They're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out some sort of plan to get them

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<v Speaker 2>out or to grieve or whatever. But authorities claimed it

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<v Speaker 2>was a gathering to plan an escape of those accused,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to blow up the castle freely

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<v Speaker 2>accused and kill the jailer.

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<v Speaker 3>And what proof did they have?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they knew this. They were men that said it. Daisy,

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<v Speaker 2>come on now, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, Oh that's right. That they didn't need any proof.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, somebody could have just said that to them

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<v Speaker 2>just to get heat off themselves. We'll never know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what happened that night, but we do know that anyone

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<v Speaker 2>that was said to be present at the meeting was

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<v Speaker 2>arrested and imprisoned, and those accused were marched to Lancaster

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<v Speaker 2>Castle where they would have their day in court. The

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<v Speaker 2>locals filled the court with anticipation. The witness that was

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<v Speaker 2>brought into the courtroom was nine year old Janet Device,

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<v Speaker 2>the granddaughter to Elizabeth Southern's or Old Chaddocks. She was

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<v Speaker 2>the only one that was not arrested from the Malkin

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<v Speaker 2>Tower meeting, and she was also the only bastard child

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<v Speaker 2>of the family, which back then mattered. So I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>she was treated worse than the other kids because having

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<v Speaker 2>a kid out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of wedlock back then. Yeah, I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say which only, but yeah, it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a witch.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was a child. This was a key witness,

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<v Speaker 2>the daughter of Elizabeth, the sister of Allison and sister

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<v Speaker 2>of James who was also accused and arrested. She said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>at noon, about twenty people came to our house. My

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<v Speaker 2>mother told me that they were all witches. My mother

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<v Speaker 2>is a witch, and that I know to be true.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen her spirit in the likeness of a brown dog,

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<v Speaker 2>which she calls Ball. The dog did ask what she

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<v Speaker 2>would have him do, and she answered that she would

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<v Speaker 2>have him help her kill God.

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<v Speaker 3>They treated her like shit.

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<v Speaker 2>The dog's name ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not.

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<v Speaker 2>It just sounds like a little kid in the corner,

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<v Speaker 2>like coming up with something really quick. And then and

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<v Speaker 2>this happened, and then they started pasty circle.

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<v Speaker 3>And they all got naked.

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<v Speaker 2>Her mother was furious, as the record say, and she

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<v Speaker 2>had to be escorted from the courtroom. She said, then

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<v Speaker 2>after that, Janet stood on the table and can chase you.

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<v Speaker 2>In her testimony or accusations, I should say the child

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not have been coached. I wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>She openly accused her own family members and neighbors and

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<v Speaker 2>others of bea witches, including her mother, her brother, her sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Her testimony led to the arrest of ten more people.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm guessing yeah, she was the Bestard child, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like treated like John Snow. John Snow was treated

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<v Speaker 3>like shit, I'm sure, and this was her way to

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<v Speaker 3>get back at them. That's that's how I'm seeing it.

425
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing not even a candy bar like something equivalent

426
00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:38.160
<v Speaker 2>back then. I don't even know what they had for

427
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>candy or anything good. Back then, it was like here

428
00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.720
<v Speaker 2>you can have a piece of mutton or something.

429
00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Put some beans here. That sucks.

430
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.559
<v Speaker 2>So in modern court such testimony would raise serious questions,

431
00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>but in sixteen twelve it helps secure convictions. That's what

432
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:56.039
<v Speaker 2>they wanted.

433
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Of course, they got the perfect witness.

434
00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.960
<v Speaker 2>And she's just literally going down the line like, Okay,

435
00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.519
<v Speaker 2>she was there, he was there, he was there, And

436
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:06.319
<v Speaker 2>the court, I guess, asked like if people were there

437
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.720
<v Speaker 2>that they knew were not and she got them all right,

438
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:10.200
<v Speaker 2>So they were like, oh, she's credible.

439
00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:12.839
<v Speaker 3>Damn yeah, they knew what they were doing.

440
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Whether she believed it or she just repeated what authorities

441
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>expected to hear, we don't know. But her testimony carried

442
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.759
<v Speaker 2>enormous weight. And the accused were held inside Lancaster Castle.

443
00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Conditions were grim. They had cold stone walls, barely any

444
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:35.839
<v Speaker 2>food disease, you know, water coming through the walls. Many

445
00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:39.519
<v Speaker 2>prisoners waited months before trial, and some never left alive.

446
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh that is horrible. The picture in my head is

447
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 3>just it's yeah, those conditions that you're living in no

448
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.799
<v Speaker 3>some light, you know, just darkness. And you know, I'm

449
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.920
<v Speaker 3>pretty sure they didn't have toilets inside the you know,

450
00:23:58.440 --> 00:23:59.799
<v Speaker 3>you just had to poop in the corner.

451
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the two families that despise each other in

452
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:04.440
<v Speaker 2>there together.

453
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that didn't help.

454
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So proceedings finally began in August of sixteen twelve. The

455
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>evidence consisted largely of confessions, accusations, rumors, and witness testimony.

456
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>There was no forensic science, no physical proof. Belief itself

457
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>often became evidence, and on August seventeenth, the verdict was read.

458
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.839
<v Speaker 2>One after another, they were delivered guilty, guilty, and guilty.

459
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Ten people connected to the Pendal case were sentenced to death.

460
00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Old Demdike died in prison before her trial, possibly due

461
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to the conditions when she was old. Yeah, I mean

462
00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.319
<v Speaker 2>back then, you're over eighty. That's super impressive.

463
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, geez.

464
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Even though she died, Old Demdike was still found guilty,

465
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:54.759
<v Speaker 2>along with her daughter Elizabeth, her granddaughter Alison Allison's brother James.

466
00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Also guilty was Old Demdyke's other daughter Anne Redfern, and

467
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 2>the very next day, on August twentieth, the guilty were

468
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.720
<v Speaker 2>brought by carts to Gallows Hill near Lancaster, where priests

469
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 2>went to give their last rites. Some prayed, some pled,

470
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and some were just silent. A crowd watched on as

471
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 2>those convicted were executed by hanging. And this wasn't like

472
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.119
<v Speaker 2>a hanging like you'd think, like you snapped the neck

473
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's it. They would like put a noose around

474
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you and the rope would slowly strangle. You could take ten, fifteen,

475
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes to die.

476
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 3>My god, that is horrible, horrific. I'd rather have my

477
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 3>head chopped off.

478
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, something quick.

479
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

480
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 2>And you have the whole town like sitting down watching

481
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that makes it.

482
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, like eating fucking popcorn. Oh, look at that.

483
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 3>That's horrible, that's sadistic.

484
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing because I'm uncomfortable. Yeah. Those executed were Anne Whittle,

485
00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Device, Alice Nutter, Catherine Hewitt, James Bullcock and Redfern

486
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and Device, James Device, Jane Bolcock, Isabelle Robi And although

487
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.359
<v Speaker 2>not brought to the gallows. Elizabeth Southern, who died while

488
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>awaiting trial. I mean she basically old Dumdyke was part

489
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of that. And the only one that was allowed to

490
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 2>live was Margaret Pearson. She was found not guilty of

491
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>capital witchcraft, but she was guilty of non capital witchcraft

492
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 2>for something she did to a horse, and she was

493
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>sentenced to four days of pillaring. So that's like the

494
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>shame shame, okay, I'll take it in different squares. Also

495
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a public whipping Ooh and she had to spend another

496
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:40.920
<v Speaker 2>year in Lancaster Castle.

497
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh and jail. Come on, yeah, that would have killed

498
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 3>me meant there. Oh shit, that's horrible.

499
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Their names became part of English history, not because anyone

500
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>could prove they possessed supernatural powers, but because they became

501
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.559
<v Speaker 2>victims of one of the country's most famous witch trials.

502
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.319
<v Speaker 3>That's that. That is so fucking sad. You know, I

503
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 3>can imagine you know, the energy you know in that area,

504
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, the the unquiet spirits of those who were

505
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, who were you know, falsely accused.

506
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Why didn't I take notes on that too, because there

507
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.799
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of headless women seen in that area. Oh,

508
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of paranormal Oh.

509
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.279
<v Speaker 3>I believe it. I definitely believe that. You know that. Yeah,

510
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 3>they're not resting. They're definitely not resting. And that's oh

511
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 3>my god, that is so freaking horribly sad. The least

512
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 3>they I would wish that they would, you know, move

513
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 3>on to the next world. That's sad.

514
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>PRO just want to get those guys back that wrote

515
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the freaking books.

516
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Actually I would. I would definitely. You know what, if

517
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 3>I was a spirit and something like that happened to me,

518
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I would walk with every single one of them.

519
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, girls saying I'm too petty. I'd be

520
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting on this plane just for that reason.

521
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pretty much. Oh man, yep, I mean pulling people's feet,

522
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 3>making them go crazy thinking, you know is Yeah, I

523
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 3>would totally punish the hell out of them. That's that's unfortunate.

524
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>So history doesn't even show if they were actually witches.

525
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Most historians say they weren't. Instead, they just point towards

526
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>a combination of poverty, personal rivalries, religious beliefs in a

527
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>legal system that accepted spectral evidence, confessions, and hearsay in

528
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a way that wouldn't meet modern standards. But for the

529
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.720
<v Speaker 2>people of sixteen twelve, that danger felt real when illness

530
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>struck without explanation or harvest failed unexpectedly, Many sought answers

531
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.119
<v Speaker 2>in the supernatural. Accusations of witchcraft provided a way to

532
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 2>explain suffering and to settle old scores. The Pendal Trial

533
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 2>reminds us that fear can reshape communities once suspicion takes hold.

534
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Ordinary disagreements can become evidence, and neighbors can become enemies.

535
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's just so said. But yeah, you know, I

536
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 3>definitely believe that, you know, that excuse of you know,

537
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 3>pointing the fingers saying witch, it's just a means, you know,

538
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 3>to get back at you. You know, even if there

539
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 3>were witches, I don't believe that they're able to cause

540
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 3>harm in the way that they you know, they were suspecting.

541
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 3>It was just like I said, I wouldn't survive in

542
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>a time like that. Me and my mom, we would

543
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 3>not survive in a time like that.

544
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I always said, if I was born back then, I

545
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>would get married young off my husband so I could

546
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 2>have money, because widows had so much more power, you

547
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. If you weren't married, you had

548
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.319
<v Speaker 2>to have all these escorts and all that you couldn't

549
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>have all whatever, But at least if you had like

550
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 2>an okay brother and you were a widow, yeah, and

551
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 2>you trust it enough to handle the finances.

552
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 3>You put a lot of thought into this.

553
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 2>I did.

554
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It's just not a nice time to I mean fuck,

555
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean being a woman period was just really hard.

556
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 3>You know. You had to dress a certain way, you

557
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 3>had to act a certain way. Yeah, you know, and

558
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 3>if you didn't behave know, shit like that happened?

559
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

560
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 3>And for why exactly? For what? You know? Whatever? Does

561
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 3>anything say? An is there any where the says what

562
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 3>happened to that little girl?

563
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.039
<v Speaker 2>There is to tell? Let me just I'll finish this

564
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:15.599
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll.

565
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Talk about her. Okay, Okay, I'm just gonna.

566
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Ramble front of the second. So Pendall Hill still stands today.

567
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Visitors still walk its path. Most come for the scenery,

568
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>some come for the history, and a few come searching

569
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:28.279
<v Speaker 2>for echoes of a story that has lingered for more

570
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>than four centuries. Whether you believe in witches, ghosts or not,

571
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 2>one truth remains. The greatest danger in Pendall was never magic.

572
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>It was fear. Fear of the unknown. As for Janet, device.

573
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Not too much more is known about her after her

574
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 2>part and the death of her two siblings, mother or grandmother,

575
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 2>basically her whole family. Yeah, except that in sixteen thirty

576
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>three she found herself in court again. This time she

577
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>was on the other side of the table when a

578
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 2>young boy named Edmund Robinson claimed that he was kidnapped

579
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>by witches. He said, I was picking when I saw

580
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.599
<v Speaker 2>two greyhounds. I tried to get them to chase a hair,

581
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't run, so I beat them off with

582
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 2>a stick. One of the dogs turned into a witch

583
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and the other into a boy. The witch then turned

584
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>him into a horse. The witch took me away on

585
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that horse to a house hostones, and their barn was

586
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>full of witches, maybe sixty of them, And from the

587
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 2>ceiling there were all these ropes hanging down, and they

588
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>were pulling on the ropes, and amazing food came falling down.

589
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I was so frightened. I ran away, and they chased

590
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>me for ages. And before I got home, I met

591
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 2>a boy with cloven hooves, so I fought him. And

592
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm so scruffy. It's not my fault. This

593
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 2>was an excuse, he told his parents why he was late.

594
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, wow, and talk about karma.

595
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>So he named seventeen witches, one of which was Janet Device.

596
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Now she was an adult herself, because this was over

597
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty years later and she was being accused by a child.

598
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Her body was checked and was said to have two

599
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>witches marks. I wonder what witch's marks can be, like

600
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>a freckle, pimple, or you know how some people have

601
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>like third nipples or whatever. Then there are the devil's.

602
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Teats, you know what I mean.

603
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 2>They're supposed to suckle on you or your that's for you,

604
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>for you're familiar to suckle on or whatever.

605
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>I've always had an issue with that word. Suckle. Yeah,

606
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why. It's just so cross.

607
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 2>But succulence isn't as bad, but suckle makes.

608
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.960
<v Speaker 3>It like suckle at my teet.

609
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But or it could be a war. It could

610
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.039
<v Speaker 2>be like just some I don't know, anything on your

611
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>body that looks out of the ordinary, I'd be screwed.

612
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I have freckles all over me.

613
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, I have one like right here, which.

614
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Which And a doctor later inspected the Marx and who

615
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, no, they're not. After months of Edmund

616
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 2>being brought around to different places and standing in churches

617
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and pointing at people who were supposedly witches. That he

618
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>says he admitted to making up the story because you

619
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get in trouble for getting home late.

620
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>What an ass And Janet was not executed, but that

621
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't mean she could leave. This was a time where

622
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 2>you had to work off the debt that you accrued

623
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 2>while you were in prison for like room and board,

624
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>So it's not really clear if she ever got out.

625
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Shit.

626
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of like Salem too. They had that thing

627
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>where you had to pay off your debt before you

628
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>could leave, even though you're there against your will.

629
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 3>So they put you in jail against your and you

630
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 3>had you had to pay. Wow, yep, that's crazy. That

631
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 3>is some shit. Yeah, we have you know, the people

632
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 3>in our jail system, the taxpayers are the ones who

633
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 3>pay for that. Right, We paid for that, so I mean,

634
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you're guilty, I see why you would

635
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 3>have to pay it back. But if you're not guilty,

636
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>you had you shouldn't have to pay anything.

637
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're exonerated, but you still have to pay all

638
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that time you were sitting rotten in jail and you

639
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>couldn't work.

640
00:33:58.279 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 3>That's a bullshit.

641
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Salem accusations were thrown around regardless of evidence. The impoverished

642
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>were easy targets, not having the means to fight back.

643
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>The one that we can reasonably guess had a stroke

644
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>snowballed into all these people losing their lives. The Pendle

645
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>witch trials acted as a blueprint setting case law and

646
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 2>precedent to be used in Salem, allowing children to hurl

647
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>accusations and targeting those who were either not liked in

648
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the community, poor, elderly, or in.

649
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Some way vulnerable. I would have been poor.

650
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been because I would have offered my husband.

651
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 3>And I would That's how would you have done it?

652
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Because you didn't have a way to google, Like witch

653
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.079
<v Speaker 2>plants are poisonous, so you'd have to find a trusted

654
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 2>friend or experiment. But I wouldn't want to experiment on animals.

655
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd find someone that had, like some sort of disease

656
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and be like, why don't you go have dinner with them?

657
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I'd take off for a few weeks so

658
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>they'd catch it. If I had to try that, I'd

659
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>find a way where there's a will there's a way.

660
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I would have just gone to the forest

661
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 3>and picked every single, every single te pick every single

662
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 3>type of barry one of those haves to hit.

663
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Mmm, mushroom and berry soup.

664
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Come on, honey, there you go, there you go. Jesus,

665
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Okay, yeah, we just did not talk

666
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 3>start talking about murdering our husbands. That's that's crazy though.

667
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of that before. Though, Like I said,

668
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.199
<v Speaker 3>I've always heard of the famous Salem witch trials. This

669
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 3>happened before.

670
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, long before, and this kind of spiraled into it.

671
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear about I never knew about this either.

672
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I just recently heard about it and I started to

673
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>look into it and I was like, damn, but just

674
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 2>over two days. The way that their trial was so

675
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 2>quick and they were like, oh, guilty, guilty, just because

676
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>one kid said something, the one that was probably upset.

677
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because she was being treated differently. That's what I

678
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 3>got from that. She was being treated differently, and you know,

679
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 3>the child of you know, a bastard child always got mistreated.

680
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 3>So she saw this way of you know, getting back

681
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>at them, because I mean, why else was she do that?

682
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 3>She just killed all of her family, you know, now

683
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 3>she's all by herself.

684
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm sure that stigma stayed with her her

685
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>whole life, you know what I mean, Like you're the

686
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 2>kid of the witches. I'm sure her life sucked even

687
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:11.760
<v Speaker 2>more after that.

688
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, and it's just karma that that smacked her

689
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 3>in the face when she got accused.

690
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>But at nine too, at nine, you're so you're so impressionable.

691
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure if the judges were like, oh, we'll

692
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 2>give you this, this, this, and then after they didn't

693
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>eat her anymore, so they just threw it on the

694
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>side too.

695
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Sounds surprised. I surprised she survived into adulthood. That's that's

696
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.440
<v Speaker 3>just that's that's horrible. That's it's a lot of ignorance,

697
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.679
<v Speaker 3>and like you said, it's a lot of fear, you know,

698
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>the fear of the you known, because you know, witchcraft

699
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 3>is it's not a bad thing. It's not a bad

700
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 3>thing at all. Yeah, what is it? Pagan's They don't

701
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 3>believe in a devil, there's no such that's a Christian thing.

702
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:52.480
<v Speaker 3>That's a Christian concept.

703
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>And these women were more known to be healers than

704
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.599
<v Speaker 2>anything else in the community.

705
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly. Yeah, you know they used uh, they used

706
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 3>they used their herbs, you know, for healing, for bringing prosperity,

707
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 3>you know.

708
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Not like I would to my husband back then.

709
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh my God. And I think you know that the

710
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 3>Catholic Church had a lot to do with putting these

711
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 3>ideas into the air because they wanted to be known

712
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 3>as you know, the religion, you know, just one God.

713
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Well this was the same King James that rewrote the Bible.

714
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, but he was very against Catholicism. Yeah, he

715
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>wanted Protestant or nothing.

716
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>It's sad because I'm a Catholic. I believe in God,

717
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.559
<v Speaker 3>but it's just said how how religion it's just, you know,

718
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 3>causes so many conflicts in the world.

719
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 2>As long as it's not hurting anybody else. What you believe,

720
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 2>believe it. But he would literally send his minions out

721
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>into Catholic masses and have them take notes of who

722
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.400
<v Speaker 2>was taking communion and who was going there. It was

723
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like it was bad. It was bad back then, Jesus.

724
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Like even Queen Elizabeth the first way before way off top.

725
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>But same thing about the witchcraft. She was on that

726
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>hunt and she would hunt down like popes and any

727
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>clergy and have them killed. So they used to have

728
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to hide around town. They had like certain hiding spots

729
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 2>to avoid her men finding them.

730
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 3>That reminds me of this show that I that I

731
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 3>saw a year ago. It's called The Discovery of Witches.

732
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever watched that? I have not. I want

733
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 3>you though watch it. It's it's based it's based around

734
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 3>actual historical figures from that time, from the you know,

735
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 3>from the Witch Trials. What was the name of that author?

736
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I read the books first. They have the show. I

737
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 3>want to say on Netflix that it's a I want

738
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 3>to say, it's three seasons. Ooh, and it's really really good. Yeah,

739
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Netflix watching it, Yeah, Deborah Harkness. So it has vampires,

740
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 3>witches and I want to say shape shifters.

741
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, shape shifters scare me.

742
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it's it's really really good. This chick, you know,

743
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 3>she's a witch and she falls in love with the

744
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 3>vampire and now all of a sudden they want to

745
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 3>hunt them, so they disappear into the past. She's able

746
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 3>to somehow take them to the past and they take

747
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 3>them to when he was you know, a young vampire,

748
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's it's really freaking cool. I suggest you

749
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 3>watch that if you're looking for something to bitch. Watch it.

750
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome.

751
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Well it sounds like right up your ally too.

752
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah yeah. I read the books and I fell

753
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.159
<v Speaker 3>in love with the books, and then I found out

754
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Speaker 3>that they were making a series and I'm like, oh,

755
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.679
<v Speaker 3>hell yeah, and I watched it. They did a beautiful

756
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 3>job with it.

757
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think witches get such a cinematic reputation that

758
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 2>people don't actually look into what each because any type

759
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>of religion, practice whatever has different levels.

760
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what I mean.

761
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 2>There's extreme, right, you know what I mean, there's all

762
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>sorts of different things. And I think when people hear

763
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 2>which they think one certain.

764
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Thing exactly, and you know, they are the first thing

765
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 3>that pops into their head is you know, somebody with

766
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 3>the pointed hat and a green face, and yeah, it's

767
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 3>it's a whole lot more than that.

768
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Margaret Hamill is fantastic.

769
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 3>But Margret, oh that's.

770
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, But she did, I think add to the stereotype.

771
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely awesome too. Yeah, well yeah, really yeah, you

772
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 3>know or not that that witch from Bugs Bunney.

773
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she used to scare me when I was a kid.

774
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 3>She's freaky as hell. What the hell was her name?

775
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 3>The ward?

776
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 2>The ward I had a problem with the rest of

777
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 2>her I could deal with.

778
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 3>It was the war with me. I think her name

779
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>was Hazel or something like that. But yeah, yeah, which

780
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 3>is definitely get a bad reputation. And yeah, they were,

781
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 3>like you said, there were mainly healers. And you know,

782
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>my mom, she was into a form of witchcraft. It's

783
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 3>called uh Speedyismo, and it's a Puerto Rican practice and

784
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 3>it was just based on on healing. It was just

785
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 3>a lot of healing. She remembers her grandmother. She would

786
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 3>have people come in. They would bring her like fruits

787
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 3>or something they made, you know, some kind of food

788
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 3>as payment that you're gonna say, oat male, No, don't oatmeal. Yeah,

789
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 3>So you know, they would bring over some kind of

790
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 3>food as payment or not. They would bring her candles

791
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 3>or you know, something that she needed. And often they

792
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 3>would come by with like some kind of ailment and

793
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 3>she would heal them. She remembers, actually, this one time,

794
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 3>this guy or I don't remember a guy or a woman.

795
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 3>This person came over and they wanted to love spell.

796
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 3>They wanted to be with this particular person, and she's

797
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 3>the way did. My mom described that there was two

798
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:46.239
<v Speaker 3>needles that were put into water and eventually they if

799
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 3>they were meant to be together, the two needles would

800
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 3>touch each other head on, but if they passed each other,

801
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 3>they weren't meant for each other. And my mom she

802
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 3>was like really fascinated, and she would be watching this,

803
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, and she says that she actually saw the

804
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 3>needles moving towards each other. And yeah, she was. She

805
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 3>was so fascinating, you know, these stories that she would

806
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 3>tell me. I'm like, this little boy came in with

807
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 3>like I believe they did.

808
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I believe they did be hanging on that part.

809
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to say that they did touch. This

810
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 3>other story, a little boy came in with the bloated

811
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 3>belly and she she would rub something on his stomach

812
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 3>and she said that she saw, little by little, the

813
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 3>stomach going down, going down, just by my grandmother rubbing

814
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 3>his stomach with some kind of ointment. So yeah, my

815
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 3>grandmother was really really known in the area that she

816
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.719
<v Speaker 3>they lived in as the healer. Oh wow. Yeah, so

817
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 3>my mom she learned, she learned some stuff from from her.

818
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 3>She was able to you know, she she's really good

819
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 3>with herbs and stuff.

820
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>And even if people don't believe in that, I mean,

821
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 2>reflexology is yeah, like a recognized thing if it's you

822
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, there's so many accia pressure, there's

823
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>all different things. So just movement pressing, you know what

824
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's practices, even if you don't believe in witchcraft.

825
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. I want to say in Mexico, Mexico, there's

826
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 3>a there's a person called as you know, somebody who rubs,

827
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 3>and somebody had told me to go check this person

828
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 3>out because I thought I couldn't have more kids. And

829
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 3>I was that close to you know, to you know,

830
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 3>checking this out. But apparently they rub your abdominal area.

831
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh and start moving stuff around in there to help

832
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 3>you be able to conceive. And people swear by this

833
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 3>that it works.

834
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:35.800
<v Speaker 2>It couldn't hurt. It's not like he's hurting you, even

835
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't.

836
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Work, right, Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I was, I was

837
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>about to go, but then I got pregnant. I'm like, yes,

838
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>it works. Yeah, all of that stuff fascinates me. I've

839
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 3>always been so interested in, you know, learning about different

840
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.800
<v Speaker 3>types of crafts, you know, whether it's you know, speedy

841
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<v Speaker 3>dismal santeria, which I'm very interested in, Voodoo, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think also gets a very bad reputation. I'm fascinating with

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<v Speaker 3>it all. I like learning about all this stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I may not use it. I think it's good to

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<v Speaker 3>learn about these things. Is like voodoo. You know, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people think that voodoo is a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the person that is using that craft.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how it's determined if it's better or good. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it all depends on who's doing it. You're a good person,

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<v Speaker 3>You're you're gonna do good things with it. But there's

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<v Speaker 3>bad people that would, you know, obviously use it for

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<v Speaker 3>negative reasons. I think that's with any kind of craft.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, totally your intent of how and why?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone, let's not be ignorant and look into things

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<v Speaker 2>before we prejudge people. How about that? So we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have another one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of these, you know what, you never know, it could,

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<v Speaker 3>it could happen against someday you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully it won't. The world is just crazy now they're

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<v Speaker 2>saying aliens underwater, Like just I got to do an

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<v Speaker 2>alien episode with your brother because he's the alien man.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my God, yes, it is just the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this feels like we're in a simulation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too, you know, And I

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<v Speaker 3>seriously feel like the aliens are litt They're there, They're

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<v Speaker 3>up there somewhere, they're watching us. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>come down here.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, figure stuff out, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>When I come down there yet, I wouldn't. You guys

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<v Speaker 3>are hot mess?

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<v Speaker 2>How much of eggs?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah we'll wait? Oh my, I remember that that was insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus was Supermarket's still insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Price of beef is just ridannculous. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I got skirt steak last week as like a thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and just for four of us, I spent over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll only eat steak if I go out to dinner,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll order myself a steak. But to buy it for

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<v Speaker 3>the house, you know, I'm like, my kid's too young

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<v Speaker 3>for steak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've been having chicken, chicken sometimes, hamburgerna, eat ground,

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<v Speaker 2>try whatever's one sale. But I look at the steak prices,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, eh, yeah, so no steak this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my pork is fine, turkey is fine. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even buy ground beef. I buy ground turkey. When I

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<v Speaker 3>screw that, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much for coming on Daisy. I

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<v Speaker 2>so appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me. It's it's always awesome. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, ladies and gentlemen for joining us on ouch.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye?

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