WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:04.400 Hey friends. Mike from Locations Unknown, No Joe this week. 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:07.719 He is off having fun in the great state of California, 3 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:12.039 so I am alone manning the ship. We got a 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.679 special episode for you this week. A couple weeks ago, 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:17.519 we did a great interview with Maddie from who runs 6 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.079 This Park, So we've got exciting news to announce. Maddie 7 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:24.719 and her show will be joining Unknown Media, so we 8 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.839 are super pumped to be working with Maddie. She has 9 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.760 a great show. She does amazing interviews with people in 10 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:34.640 the industry, park rangers, people that run the parks, other 11 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:38.200 creators in the space. So we cannot wait to work 12 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.840 with Maddie. To commemorate that, we are going to drop 13 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.799 the interview that she uploaded a few weeks ago to 14 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.200 her feed today and we hope you enjoyed the interview. 15 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:50.679 Joe and I had a lot of fun doing it. 16 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.920 It was one of the funner interviews we've done, so 17 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.960 hope you'll like it. We're gonna be off next week 18 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.079 for the Thanksgiving holidays, so Joe and I would just 19 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.960 like to wish everyone a happy holiday. I hope you 20 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.079 are expending it with your family and friends and eating 21 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:09.000 some great food and watching some football, and Joe and 22 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:11.120 I will be back the following week with a brand 23 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.760 new episode. We can't wait till you get back. It's 24 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.239 nice to take a break, but Joe and I love 25 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:19.359 doing this, so we always miss it when we were 26 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:22.079 not able to do it. So hope you enjoyed the 27 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:34.840 interview and we will see you soon. Thousands of people 28 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.599 have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. 29 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:40.920 Join us as we dive into the deep end of 30 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.040 the unexplainable word and try to piece together what happened. 31 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:47.640 You are listening to locations unknown. 32 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.520 Hey, guys, exciting news. You're listening to an episode from 33 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.639 our brand news segment, Park Enthusiasts. Join in as I 34 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.680 interview folks across the outdoor industry, from podcast hosts, outdoor 35 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.479 brand founders, influencers, and more. I'm excited to unlock conversations 36 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.039 with people whose love for the outdoors and national parks 37 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.400 heavily influence their careers and life paths. Let's jump in. 38 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.479 Welcome to Who Runs This Park? Park Enthusiast segment, where 39 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.199 we expand our universe and knowledge of experiences in the 40 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.840 outdoors and a national parks through conversations highly regarded and 41 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.520 respected individuals in the outdoor world. As always, who runs 42 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.919 this park seems to be a catalyst for inspiration, exploration, 43 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:20.639 and appreciation of our world's natural beating. Today we have 44 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.120 Mike and Joe with us, the host of the amazing 45 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.919 podcast Locations Unknown. They're waving to you if you're listening 46 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.360 to this audio, it's very exciting. 47 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.280 Yeah, we just waved and didn't even say anything. 48 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.479 Where I love it. Mike and Joe are going to 49 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.039 give us a more in depth overview of what Locations 50 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.520 Unknown is, But a quick summary is that it's a 51 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.520 podcast that digs into some of the unexplained and unsolved 52 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.439 disappearances in America's wilderness, highlighting some of the weird circumstances 53 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:51.080 that seem to span across disappearances, like hampered search and 54 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.960 rescue efforts from storms and missing individuals being found in 55 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.439 semi conscious states without any memory of their disappearance. With 56 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.439 both a fascinating and captivating podcast, I'm excited to dig 57 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.039 into Joe and Mike's stories today getting a behind the 58 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:06.960 scenes look on the podcast, the community they have built 59 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.560 and are continuing to build, and their general love for 60 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.719 the outdoors and how that shaped Locations Unknown. Mike and Joe, 61 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:14.479 Welcome to the show. Excited to have you. 62 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.600 Thank you, thank you for having I feel so inflated. 63 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:18.319 That's the goal. 64 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:19.480 That was a great intro. 65 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:19.879 Thank you. 66 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:20.519 I appreciate that. 67 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.040 Hey, you're welcome. You're welcome. That's my goal, is everyone. 68 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.439 That's a common response. People are like, wow, thanks for 69 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:27.639 that great intro. Mike, we did it. 70 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.399 I can tell you put some effort into it, and 71 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:30.000 I appreciate it. 72 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.040 Yeah, I did some research. Well, I'd love to hear 73 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.319 in y'all's own words, just as people who are listening 74 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.040 to this may be new to hearing about Locations Unknown. 75 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.480 Could you share a bit more from your perspective, the 76 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.560 heart behind the podcast, and then the story of what 77 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.040 got you guys to start it. 78 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.319 Okay, so yeah, Locations Unknown. I always tell people it's 79 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.519 I would say a mix between. If you've ever seen 80 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.160 the show Survivor Man, it hasn't been on TV for 81 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.000 a while now, but the plot of that show is basically, 82 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.519 a guy went out into the wilderness with cameras and 83 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.839 just filmed himself surviving before bear grills ever did it? 84 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:08.759 This guy did it? Originally he was legit. He was legit, 85 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.959 like he would get dropped off and then just film 86 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.040 himself like for a week out in some remote place. 87 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.560 So I say we're a mix between Survivor Man and 88 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.560 the older version of Unsolved Mysteries. If you ever remember 89 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:23.439 that show that goes back, even the show with that 90 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.079 creepy guy that used to host it, and it really started. 91 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:31.319 Joe and I have been hiking backcountry hiking, climbing, camping 92 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.680 for over a decade together and longer than that on 93 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:37.879 our own, and we would always talk about these cases 94 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.879 while we were hiking and going they can't see them, 95 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:47.120 and so you know, we'd be hiking somewhere and we'd 96 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.519 go buy a sign and somebody would be, you know, 97 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.639 be a missing poster sign for someone that had just 98 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.879 gone missing in the park. So we would when you're 99 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.399 out hiking, you really don't have a lot to you know, 100 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.279 there's no phones, you're just kind of out there in 101 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:00.720 the wilderness, and so we'd get to talking about these 102 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.959 things and very fascinating cases obviously where people seem to 103 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.040 literally just vanish off the face of the planet. And 104 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.319 over time, when back in twenty eighteen, now we were 105 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:14.439 we're at a bar, I think just talking about like 106 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.800 talking about one of these cases. And well it started 107 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:19.240 on our trip in Montana. 108 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.879 Yeah, because we were we were doing a big backcountry here. 109 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:24.720 That was the longest one at the time that we've done, 110 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.720 because I think we did like forty to fifty miles 111 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.519 to the back country wow Glacier. 112 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:29.240 So it was amazing. 113 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.199 It was what five days, Yeah, it was like a 114 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.720 week in the backcountry. We have to we have to 115 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.240 go check into the ranger station, get watch the videos 116 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.839 on bear safety all that stuff. And there were one 117 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:41.959 or two people in the last three months that had 118 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.600 gone missing at the time. So at the end of it, 119 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:45.839 the ranger showed us the slip saying, hey, you are 120 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:47.800 going on the same path that these two people were on. 121 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.680 They never came out. Here's what they were wearing. Here's 122 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.839 kind of where they were supposed to be. If you 123 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.439 see anything, like mark it on the map, take GPS coordinates, 124 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.240 and let us know any come out. So it wasn't like, hey, 125 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.439 search for him, but you're gonna be there. If you anything, 126 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.959 just make sure you report it. So when you're a 127 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.360 back country you don't have anything to do besides walk 128 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.399 and talk. So we were just hypothesizing about what could 129 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:10.839 have happened, like, oh, what do you think happened to 130 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.000 these guys? Like as we're hitting the spots where they 131 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.720 were supposed to be, we're kind of, you know, fascinated 132 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.920 in the topic. And we spent a lot of time 133 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:20.519 on that trip talking about it. And then back to 134 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:21.160 the bar scene. 135 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.480 Yeah, we were back here in Milwaukee at a bar 136 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.439 somewhere it can't bar, it can't bar, and we were 137 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.360 just talking about I think I came to Joe and 138 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.480 I'm like, you know what, we should try and record 139 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:34.480 what we talk about to see if anyone would be 140 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.360 interested in listening. And at the time we thought it 141 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.279 was kind of a crazy idea, like who is going 142 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.879 to want to listen to anything we're saying? 143 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.240 And when you just hear your self talk for the 144 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.240 first time in podcast, you feel so sad. 145 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.040 I can relate my well you not only feel stupid, 146 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.360 but like I adore my sister, but she will tell 147 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:56.399 me the truth and she'd be like, I mean, I 148 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.399 had friends like making fun of me. I showed them 149 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.000 the trailer that I was making and they were like, 150 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.560 have you ever seen like mimicking how I said, ever, 151 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.759 and I was like, you know what, everyone I'm trying 152 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.360 out here, well, you know what it is. 153 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.000 It's it's a mix too, because at least this is 154 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.800 how I felt because at the time when we started it, 155 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.920 everyone was starting a podcast. Like everyone in their mom 156 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.680 was starting a podcast. Everyone and their mom was doing. 157 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.519 Like yoga, So you just had this whole You had 158 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.759 these waves of people that would like pick up a 159 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.600 thing all together. It was like the different workouts whatever, 160 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.439 and everyone would be talking about it and just shoving 161 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.120 it in your face. So it's like you're doing it too, 162 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.279 and you're like, oh man, we're just like everybody else like. 163 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.080 Doing this thing. So we didn't really tell anyone about it. 164 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:40.120 No, I like didn't. 165 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:41.679 We didn't tell our friends at all. We're like, let's 166 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:43.399 just start doing it and see how it sounds. Yeah, 167 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.919 and we recorded our first episode in the attic. 168 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.840 Of my house. Oh it was you know, it sounded 169 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:51.639 like we were in a tin can. But yes, the 170 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:55.879 the cases themselves are so interesting, and I think that's 171 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.799 kind of what really kept us going was the case 172 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:02.919 is really a lot of them just kind of you 173 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.080 sit there and think about it and you can't think 174 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.799 of an like a plausible explanation for why this person's missing. 175 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.000 Some of them are as crazy as the guy was 176 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:13.840 walking down the trail and his buddy was behind him 177 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.759 one second, looked away, looked back, and he was gone. 178 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.279 I mean, yeah, some of them are that strange. And 179 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.559 just to be able to talk about those and you know, 180 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.799 over time, we've gotten better equipment and we've gotten better 181 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.080 at you know, doing it. Yeah, I mean, you know talking. 182 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:31.559 Well, that's the big I think that's a big thing 183 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.720 that makes it weird is when you watch any TV show, 184 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.720 what are they doing? Their acting, their voices are a 185 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:40.240 little bit different. So when you really think about what 186 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.519 we're all doing, it's entertainment. So we have to be 187 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.759 entertaining and that means being a little over the top 188 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.039 or boisterous more than normal. So all the people that 189 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.720 have known you your whole life and you talk a 190 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:51.559 certain way, all of a sudden you throw some spin 191 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:54.000 behind it, and they're like, what's going on with you? 192 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:55.000 What's happening? Yeah? 193 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:55.919 Are you okay? 194 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.960 Yes? But you know, if you put in enough time 195 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.240 and effort and stay authentic, yeah, we found the biggest 196 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.080 thing people like is that you're authentic and you're not 197 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.600 You're not being fake. We always say that Joe and 198 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.559 I are exactly the same way we are when we're 199 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.360 doing the podcast, we are in real life. Yes, Yeah, 200 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.279 there's no like fake Joe and Mike that you're hearing, 201 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.360 so which which makes negative reviews hurt just a little 202 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.799 bit more. Yeah, because sometimes they really like personally attack you, 203 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.639 like I just don't know what was the most recent one. 204 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:29.279 It said something like like specifically at me too. I 205 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.039 was like, Joe seems like the guy at the party syndrome. 206 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:32.200 You know. 207 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:33.679 It was like the guy at the party who you 208 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.279 want to meet but then you regret it immediately. And Mike, 209 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.879 unfortunately it was too nice to him to ever ditch 210 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.679 him many years ago, and now it's like it went 211 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.120 on and I was like, holy cow, I'm like, it's 212 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:44.639 kind of accurate, damn it. 213 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.240 Yeah, you get a thick skin, Like I remember the 214 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.879 first couple of mean reviews we got back in the day, 215 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.200 and after the first couple, you're kind of you just 216 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.039 let him roll off. You really have to have a 217 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.879 thick skin. And it was like our friends, it was 218 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.360 your mom, that was my mom, My mom's you guys 219 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.120 are terrible, get better. 220 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.720 But I remember the first like I'm still on the 221 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.080 smaller side. But the first negative comment I got was 222 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.360 an email and they were like, I really liked the comment, 223 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.000 but it was unbearable how much you said the word like, 224 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:17.519 and I just I want to listen to the Yellowstone episode, 225 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.360 but I don't think I can stand it. And I 226 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:20.559 was like, don't. 227 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:25.759 I don't know, right, Yeah, you can probably relate to this, like, 228 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.279 once you do something like this, you really have an 229 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.279 appreciation for how much time and effort people put into 230 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.080 even if it's a bad show, Like they're still putting 231 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.279 time and effort into that. Yeah, I've felt like I've 232 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.000 never once left a bad or mean review. I just 233 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.600 stopped listening, like I've never That's part of the doing this. 234 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:45.679 I mean, as you get, you know, more and more 235 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.519 people listen, there's going to be some haters. 236 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.039 Yeah, oh for sure. 237 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:51.279 But that's the long story of the podcast. 238 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.440 I love it. The something that's coming to mind and 239 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:59.200 this is a very tactical or recent experience, but I 240 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.799 just went back country camp or backpacking in North Cascades 241 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.799 National Park working on a documentary, so kind of related 242 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.399 to the who runs this park World, but a little 243 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.440 bit different. And I kind of joked that I've listened 244 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.120 to too many locations Unknown Tooth and Saw and National 245 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.879 Park After Dark episodes. Yeah, and it was the first 246 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.279 time I've been backpacking since listening to all those podcasts, 247 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.279 and my mind was whirling. And to add to it, 248 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.720 literally right as we were going into the back country, 249 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:30.600 one of the park rangers we were with was like, oh, 250 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.200 this guy went missing from this trailhead and is still 251 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.360 not found yet. And I was like, and he was like, yeah, 252 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.440 people kind of go up out here to get lost. 253 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.679 And I was like, I am going in the back 254 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.840 country with two strangers that I'm working with, And thankfully 255 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.639 we found out that he had been found like the 256 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.919 day before, right before we went in. So that made 257 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:51.799 me feel a lot better. 258 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.919 Yeah, so that you wouldn't stumble upon him. Correct. 259 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.519 I was like, so you're telling me because he left 260 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.519 his window rolled down of his car and left wallet 261 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.879 on the front seat, and that shit just seemed sketchy 262 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.559 to me. Yeah, And so I was just, you know, 263 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:09.440 my mind was whirling. So I say all that story 264 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.440 to kind of understand, as you've dug into this world 265 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.440 a little bit, how has it affected your mentality when 266 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.480 spending time outdoors. 267 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.639 Well, I definitely think about I think in my head like, well, 268 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:23.320 I hope I don't end up on our own show 269 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.679 as like a joke, but part partially, you know, I'm 270 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.240 really thinking that because over the years, like Joe and 271 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.240 I on the episode, well, there's a section where we'll 272 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.279 do a location profile and we'll kind of towards the 273 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.799 end of that, we'll give tips and advice on how 274 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.039 to hike safely in that area, and thinking back on 275 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.919 a lot of the hikes before we started the show, 276 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.399 like there's probably a lot of things I didn't even 277 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.519 follow from our own show in the past, and some 278 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:51.600 like stupid things we probably did where we could have 279 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:55.600 gotten injured or lost or maybe even killed. And so 280 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.960 it's like, you know, just maybe some luck that nothing 281 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.320 bad happened, but I wish I would have, you know, 282 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.240 taken my own advice back in the day. 283 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.600 Yes, So yeah, for me, it hasn't affected my love 284 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.000 of going hiking and climbing. 285 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:10.840 If anything, it's just made me more aware of what 286 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:11.559 could go wrong. 287 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.200 So you know, I'm. 288 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.200 Probably more risk averse, which is a good thing. 289 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.039 But you know, it may like There's been times where 290 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.000 it's like you're climbing up a rock face or something 291 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:23.080 you're like, should I be doing this? 292 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:24.120 Like, yeah, I'll be fine. 293 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.039 Now, I'd probably like, eh, if I got that feeling, 294 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.000 I'm gonna not do it. Yeah, I think I'd say 295 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.159 that's the biggest difference. But other than yeah, it hasn't 296 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:31.120 like slowed it down. 297 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.399 Or yeah, I'm not like afraid to go hiking. It 298 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.679 makes me want to go out more and wish I lived, 299 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:37.919 you know, somewhere out west where I could go hiking 300 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:38.519 every weekend. 301 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.080 Right, But yeah, you think of the sheer number of 302 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.399 people that go into national parks every year and how 303 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.559 many cases, Like, there's a lot of cases, and we're 304 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.879 taking them all and putting them in one spot. We're 305 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:51.159 highlighting the worst case scenarios. Yes, but I mean millions 306 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.519 of people go every year, and yeah, only a handful 307 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:55.720 will get lost of that's pretty good odds that you'll 308 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.120 be okay if you just fallow base. 309 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.360 I know, I had to remind myself that I kind 310 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.360 of like, if I studied all the things I live 311 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:04.080 in Austin and I used to live in New York, 312 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.799 if I studied all the like crimes that happened in 313 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.440 these cities, I would feel that same fear. No exactly, 314 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.600 but there was. I was in Rocky Mountain National Park 315 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.240 a couple months ago, just doing a day hike, and 316 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.120 I had the effect of my podcast because there, like 317 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.840 a weather storm kind of came in and it started 318 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.519 snowing and it got really windy, and I in my head, 319 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.279 I was like, I can't be like, literally the superintendents 320 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.279 tell me about people being unprepared all the time, Like, 321 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.960 I can't be that one person that like is unprepared, 322 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.799 and like someone had died in the area the next day, 323 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.120 and these two older women were like, you must turn around. 324 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.159 It's super dangerous. And we were like okay, and then 325 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.200 we turned around and then it cleared up, and then 326 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.039 we turned back around and kept hiking. But I definitely 327 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.960 thought of the podcast, and I was like, I can't 328 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.759 be one of the superintendent stories that they like have 329 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.200 to set up a release or on social media or 330 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:57.919 something like that. 331 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.639 Well, your show would probably blow up though when they 332 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:02.200 rescued you. And then it went out. 333 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.000 There the girl, the girl who literally interviews people and 334 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:06.919 is told daily not to do this, did it? 335 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.360 You're right? Honestly, I regret it. I should have done that, yeah, 336 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.960 assuming I was rescued. Yes, So you kind of alluded 337 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.840 to this here and then also in some of the 338 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.840 like stuff I found about your show, you've alluded to 339 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.799 having some pretty wild experiences outdoors and to set the 340 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.120 scene for listeners. Mike, I think this was on your 341 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.879 website intro, but you said, along my travels, I've met 342 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:33.960 some interesting characters, have had to deal with a few 343 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:37.120 medical scares, had some close calls up on cliffs, and 344 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.639 even camped overnight with armed park rangers searching for an 345 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:43.080 aggressive grizzly. So I'd love to hear just from y'all's perspective, 346 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.600 some of the wild experiences you've had outdoors really just 347 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.080 honestly for it's, you know, fun to look back on 348 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:50.480 the times we survived. 349 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.559 You should do canyon Lands, and then we'll segue into 350 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.200 the Grizzly. Yeah, because Joe and I were we were 351 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.960 a part of the Grizzly one. But yeah, I'll try 352 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.600 to make it as quick as I can. But yeah, 353 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.759 one of the craziest experiences I had was literally the 354 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.400 first hiking trip me and two of my friends went on. 355 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.039 We decided to backcountry hike probably. 356 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:13.079 One of the harder places in the country to hike, 357 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.359 so canyon Lands National Park, but not just the park. 358 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.640 We decided the backcountry hike the Maze District of Canyon Lands, 359 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.599 which is incredibly remote and dry and it's called the 360 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:29.880 Maze District. But so yeah, you know, we prepared ahead 361 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:31.839 of time. We had, you know, the proper gear, and 362 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.240 we even we checked with the ranger station. So there's 363 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.720 little I guess guysers throughout the park that the rangers 364 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:39.880 have like a whiteboard that you could they checked the 365 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.240 flow of it every couple of days. So we went 366 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.079 in there and we checked the flow and we kind 367 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.839 of knew on the map like all right, here's where 368 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:48.960 they are. So like we had a lot of water 369 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:50.960 with us, but you're in the desert. It was September, 370 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.440 so it wasn't incredibly it wasn't like summer hot, but 371 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.680 it was still I would say probably in the upper 372 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.960 eighties and really dry. So we start hiking and we're 373 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:03.799 in a day now and it's towards evening. We get 374 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.480 to the first area for water, bone dry, and we're like, oh, 375 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.759 this is this is interesting. So we we camp we 376 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:14.920 still have you know, some water with us. It's the 377 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.119 next day and we hiked to the next spot that 378 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.279 was supposedly going to have water and it's bone dry. 379 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.480 So now we are there's three of us. We've got 380 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.079 limited water at this point. So that night we camped 381 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.759 on this like really cool kind of like cliff edge 382 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:35.200 that overlooked kind of I don't know if you've ever seen, 383 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.359 you know, like in the Southwest, you got all those 384 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.720 like red canyon like slat canyons, and it kind of 385 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.759 overlooked a couple like a like a junction of several 386 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:47.519 of those types of canyons. So we're sitting there around 387 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.519 you know, our tents and we're kind of just it's 388 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.240 really quiet. We're just because we probably have between three 389 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.960 you know, grown grown men. We've probably got like I 390 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.160 don't know, a leader and a half of water left. 391 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.920 So and we're kind of just thinking like what are 392 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.440 you know, what are we going to do? Like this 393 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.039 this we should have We should be on a beach 394 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.200 somewhere like drinking pochtos. Why why did we do this? 395 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:14.400 And here we are so we you know, we made it. 396 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:16.480 We had a tough decision to make you know, just 397 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.759 do we hike back out and you know, risk it, 398 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.880 or do we we think the next place is going 399 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.119 to have water. So we decided to push forward, and 400 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.640 the next morning we continue on our track web you know, 401 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:33.640