WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.520 Buildings behind me were the headquarters for the World War 2 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:35.759 Two Office of Strategic Service. 3 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.039 It was here that the first halting steps toward mind 4 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:39.920 control began. 5 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:44.719 The ten years before Stanley Kubrick made The Shining, he 6 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:48.159 made another film. There's a film about micro code called 7 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:49.000 The Clockwork Gorn. 8 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.359 The Shining is one movie that has really been put 9 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.280 through the ringer and one thing that people really don't notice, 10 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.000 that doesn't really make a lot of sense. 11 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.799 All during the shoot, Kubrick is rewriting the movie. 12 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:08.640 What we see here is Stanley Kubrick trying to encode 13 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.439 a secret meaning into The Shining that he doesn't want 14 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:13.799 anyone to know about. 15 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.239 Kubrick has several references to Freemasonry in his films. 16 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.359 There's a lady that walks past that has a bloody 17 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.239 handprint on her ass. 18 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.519 The Shining is Kubrick's eleventh film, and there's elevens all 19 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:33.040 through the film. Eleven is a special number in occult theology. 20 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.959 The Shining has been regarded as one of the greatest 21 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:40.560 horror films ever made, but is it really a horror film? 22 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:43.760 The Shining also is low to a sexual innuendo. 23 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.359 The family is isolated up at the overlook, which is 24 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:53.159 a perfect opportunity for some sort of CIA experimentation to 25 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:53.879 go down. 26 00:01:53.760 --> 00:02:04.920 Up there, using mk ultra methods psycheatrically control assassins, literally assassins. 27 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:10.599 Experimental drugs, including LSD were administered to human guineas. The 28 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.560 patients were never told that their treatment was part of 29 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:14.919 a CIA experiment. 30 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:19.800 And there was this story which involves him spiking the 31 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.680 drinks of one of his deputies, this guy Frank Olsen, 32 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:28.159 and he jumped out of a window to his death. 33 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.120 It's a demonic possession, you know. So it makes someone 34 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:37.639 feel like they don't have any control over this etherical 35 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.719 entity outside themselves, when really it's the people who are 36 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.840 imposing the trauma that need to be held accountable for 37 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:44.639 the action. 38 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:46.840 The students. 39 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:51.280 We know what happened in the apartment that they had. 40 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.120 There are many clues that point to the fact that 41 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:57.960 this theory of what the Shining is really about is 42 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:59.120 the correct theory. 43 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.439 I think that we're watching a horror movie where ghosts 44 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:06.199 are kind of forcing a man to go off and 45 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:07.199 kill his family. 46 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:25.960 But what are we really watching here, Wendy, I'm home. 47 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:41.240 Welcome back to Raised by Giants Live discussion welcome everyone 48 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:42.680 in the chat. Get to see you guys and any 49 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.680 moderators and or channel members out there today. It's good 50 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:49.039 to be here with you guys. My brand new documentary, 51 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.919 A Clockwork Shining, will be released at the end of 52 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.919 the month. Hopefully got my fingers crossed. It was just submitted, 53 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.560 so it'll hopefully pass everything that needs to pass and 54 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.879 will be available for you guys. I'll be keeping you 55 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.919 guys updated with when that is going to be dropping. 56 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.280 And that's really all the updates and a half for 57 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.000 you guys here today. And you know, without further ado, 58 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.720 we have with us returning guest author, hypnotherapist and probably 59 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:24.519 the best known for his reverse speech analysis, David Oates. 60 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:25.959 Welcome back to the show. It's good to see you, 61 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:26.279 my friend. 62 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:26.839 How's it going. 63 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.560 I'm doing good. Thanks for having me back again. 64 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.399 Yeah, I'm glad we got to do it a little 65 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.000 confusion and we had to move things around, but we 66 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.639 got her done and expite decided to speak with you. 67 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.439 And what really I was talking to you about this 68 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.639 before we started the show. What really made me think 69 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.560 to get back a hold of you again. As I 70 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:51.079 was watching this true crime documentary series on Netflix, and 71 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.199 they were trying to get this. They knew that this 72 00:04:55.240 --> 00:05:00.279 guy had committed this murder, but he wasn't confessing, and 73 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.120 they brought in a reverse speech analysis to do reverse 74 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.839 speech on him to see if they could, you know, 75 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.800 figure it out if he actually really did it. Which 76 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.079 is so interesting because whenever you Google or you type 77 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:17.000 in reverse speech on Google, it doesn't like there's a 78 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.160 bunch of nonsense on there. And they say that the 79 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.959 police never really used the reverse speech in any kind 80 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:25.720 of cases, which is completely untrue. That it was in 81 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.639 this documentary that the police had used reverse speech on 82 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.680 this guy that wasn't confessing to a murder. 83 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:37.040 Yeah. Yeah, I've had several several stories about this over 84 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.000 the years. And of course I did work for the 85 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.800 Dallas Place for for for a year or two bat 86 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.199 I thy months when I lived in Dallas back in 87 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.879 the early nineties, So I have used it. I to 88 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.040 the FBI asked you to do analysis on DVD Koresh 89 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:55.319 back in the eyed ees. This is why back then, 90 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:57.639 So oh wow. 91 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.519 You did it. You did reversals on him? What did 92 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:00.120 you find that? 93 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.959 Oh, he was a pretty straightforward, honest guy. He certainly 94 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.439 believed that believed in his message. He was very congruent 95 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:15.240 in his in his message, he was he was delivering reversals, 96 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.399 said he would have come out if the police had 97 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.519 gone away or they led his mother old grandma in 98 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:26.079 so and I really relate that to the FBI in 99 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.519 the report. I did a personality profile and Carace based 100 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.800 on his reversals, and so that's the FBI and told 101 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.160 him because you know, we all know what happened. His 102 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:38.639 grandma and mom didn't go in and the police didn't 103 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.600 lay the place burned to the ground. 104 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.079 That was a real tragedy. I couldn't believe. I just 105 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.759 did a and a year ago. Had David Thibodeau on 106 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:52.199 which was one of the survivors, got out of the building, 107 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.399 and you know, just what he was talking about was 108 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.839 just wild. I can't believe that that type of situation 109 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.319 ever happened, especially on US soil. But that kind of 110 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.519 tapped down the militia movement a lot, because the militia 111 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:15.560 movement was really like becoming a big deal in the nineties. 112 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.279 Yeah, it's not so big anymore now. For what boy 113 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:20.439 is that sale? 114 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:30.120 No, after nine to eleven, it just like mysteriously vanished Wow. Interesting, 115 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.560 not a lot of it anymore, but this is the 116 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.040 time that we probably need it, right. 117 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.120 I'd say, so. 118 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:40.839 Is real? 119 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:46.959 Take put you guys? Really are you're u? This sutcoming 120 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.439 election is critical anyway. 121 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.759 You were going to get into that a little bit later, 122 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.040 but I wanted to ask you first before we play 123 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.439 some of the reversals that you've been recently looking into. 124 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:04.120 Is from my understanding, you were a pastor a really. 125 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.000 Long time ago in Lungcover. 126 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.360 What was that like? What was that like being a 127 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.680 pastor back then? How did you get into you know, 128 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.959 Christianity and becoming a pastor? 129 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.920 Oh? Well, I'm a minister son, so yeah, my dad 130 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.920 was the ninety church minister in Australia. So I was 131 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:26.720 raised in the church so so. But but I had 132 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.879 a typical born again conversion experience in my teens in seventeen. 133 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:36.840 I was young back then. And then I went on 134 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.960 to become a youth pastor for a fairly large church 135 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.679 and Adelaide, my hometown. I did a lot of a 136 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.440 lot of outreach work, Like we had a we had 137 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.039 a half a house and dropping center and I used 138 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.600 to mary the dropping center two or three days a 139 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:53.679 week and you know, we get kids in off the 140 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:57.679 street and try to get them into church to save 141 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:02.039 their souls. That was the classic approaching look. I enjoyed. 142 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:06.360 It was a fun time of my life. I was, 143 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:11.679 you know, my beliefs attitudes have changed dramatically since those days. 144 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.720 And and actually, well, the way I go out of 145 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:19.360 the church ironic was actually my career with reverse speech. 146 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:23.480 When I started running recordings backwards and the church time, 147 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.720 this was all satanic and demonic, and you need to 148 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.399 stop doing it. We're going, no, I don't, this is 149 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.080 I'm under something here. And then I remember the pastor 150 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:37.840 came around to my house one day and told me 151 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:42.159 this is a this is an abomination to the Lord. Yeah, 152 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:42.840 bloody hell. 153 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.879 I was there thinking with that, like, you're just playing 154 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.600 something backwards. I don't understand how. 155 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.559 The old satanic message in rock and roll You remember 156 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.039 those days or was that a little bit before your time? 157 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.919 I guess there was. There was a big controversy back 158 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:58.919 in the seventies and eighties a if you played rock 159 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:02.080 and roll back because back which you can hear satanic 160 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.759 messages and it was all demonic everything back with his demonic, 161 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.279 you know. And so I was playing tastes backwards, which 162 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:14.879 was the demonic activity. Allegedly, it's just prejudice and biased, 163 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:17.240 a lack of understanding, you know, And I don't really 164 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:18.639 know what they're talking about, quite frankly. 165 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.879 Yeah, because if you can hear it backwards, then you're 166 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.039 also hearing it forwards, so you know what I mean. 167 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.240 It doesn't make too much sense on their side, like 168 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.799 if you're if you can hear the message backwards, then 169 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.240 it doesn't mean that it is any different forward. They're 170 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:36.279 saying the same thing. 171 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.200 Right, Yeah, I know. I know that when people who 172 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.080 got religious bias, there's nothing you can say can shift them. Look, 173 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.720 I had a bit of a shaky relationship with them 174 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.919 in the last year or so. Anyway, I'd run a 175 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.559 I was the youth pastor for the youth group in 176 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:57.000 the church, and I ran an all fifty styles bond dance. 177 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.519 It was an innocent thing, you know, fifties bands that 178 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.440 were just twisting and rocking and carrying on. And I 179 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.639 got hurt before the year elders, why are you doing that? 180 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:10.559 It's sexually provocative. What the hell are you talking about? 181 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.080 It was just a bud dude for growing out loud 182 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.559 so I think they were a little bit, a little 183 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.919 bit closed minded church anyway, and I actually did myself 184 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.279 a fairly good by getting out of it, quite frankly. 185 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.519 So, how was your views changed since you were a pastor? 186 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:32.480 Have you re read the Bible since you were since 187 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.679 you've been out of Oh. 188 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:38.279 Yeah, yes I have, and a lot of alternate scriptures 189 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.960 as well. I've actually devoured the Gnostic Gostles, which are 190 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:47.279 find quite fascinating. Look, look, I don't even look. I 191 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.039 don't like to call myself a christ because that term 192 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:55.559 has got connotations attached to it that I don't associate, 193 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.039 we don't agree with. Look. I believe Jesus is the 194 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.320 son of God. I believe he came down to earth 195 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.919 and he taught us about the ways of God and 196 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.840 love and compassion and caring for our fellow man. I 197 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:14.159 believe very strongly the teaching of Jesus. I believe he 198 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.759 was Chris Hine and was resurrected, you know, all the 199 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:22.440 standard Christian beliefe. I believe all of that. However, I 200 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:27.000 also believe that the church, is the modern church, is 201 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:31.039 not following Jesus the teachings. They're way off track. I've 202 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.519 written a book called The Great Spiritual Darkness where I 203 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.879 analyzed all the reversals of modern day church leaders and 204 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:46.799 they're atrocious. I mean they're shocking. And my whole premise 205 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.679 of the book is that two thousand years ago the 206 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.159 anti christ spirit infiltrated the church and has had two 207 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.799 thousand years to totally subvert and put them totally off track. 208 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.720 And so I believe the modern church, but it's no 209 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.559 resemblance to anything that Jesus thought or spouse in his 210 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:10.279 life and teachings. So that's where I stand. So my 211 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.200 personal faith is strong, but I'm no friend of the 212 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:13.840 modern church. 213 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:20.679 There you go, what about like the historical record of 214 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.360 like Jesus, Because you said that you believe that Jesus existed, 215 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.080 that he was to go and then he walked there, 216 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:30.240 there's really no historical record of Jesus ever existing besides 217 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:34.080 from like a handful of people, and even those people, 218 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.240 it's only like a few sentences and it's kind of 219 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.639 like brushed off. And some people have thought that even 220 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.600 the few times that Jesus was mentioned historically there were 221 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:47.960 fragulent as well. I just want to get your comments 222 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:48.200 on that. 223 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:53.480 Well, what you say is very true. I'm actually looking 224 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.480 at that very issue right now. I mean, the fact 225 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:00.399 is we only had four eyewitnesses accounts. That's actually Mark 226 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.840 Luke and John the fore Gospel, Paul ever saw Jesus, 227 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.440 who wrote, and he was sect of the New Testament, 228 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:13.399 and the historical record is very minimal. There's no references 229 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:19.240 in any Roman letters or documents until until one hundred 230 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.440 years later, and they talk about some of the early Christians. 231 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:27.159 So look, you you're quite right. I totally agree. In 232 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.279 part of fact, only one of the disciples witnesses resurrection, 233 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:36.559 and that was John. We have they it's claimed that 234 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.519 there was five hundred witnesses to the resurrector Christ, but 235 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.679 none of those witnesses wrote down any of their stories, 236 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.960 so all we've got is hearsay evidence. So yeah, I 237 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:51.120 agree with you. So ultimately it's a matter of faith. 238 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.159 You know. Look, you could say I believe in it 239 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.200 because I was a minister's son and raised in the 240 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.960 church and was a doctrinate of that way, and I'd say, yeah, 241 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:05.279 you're probably right. Look, I find the teachers of Jesus 242 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:08.080 as record of the full Gospels to be very compelling. 243 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:12.320 I think they're I think they're amazing lessons for life, 244 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:20.799 whether it was Jesus or a combination of teaches he does. 245 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.960 And I respect that a lot. I respect you saying 246 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.519 that a lot because you know a lot of people 247 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.559 they don't If I were to say that to them, 248 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.759 they would get all up in a hissy fit. But 249 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:33.639 I mean, it is the truth. We don't really have 250 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.799 any there's zero record of any Jesus Christ really ever existing, 251 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.960 So like, well, you know, is it based on faith? 252 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.799 And I'm not here to bash anybody's faith. I think 253 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.039 that faith and belief is very important for our society, 254 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.360 you know, projects, innovation and projects to do new things 255 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.240 and to create, right because I think that's what we 256 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:59.440 ultimately are, like, we're here to create and do things 257 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.360 and do new Yeah. 258 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.919 Yeah, oh I absolutely agree with that. Yeah yeah yeah. 259 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.080 I actually wrote a book on the book on my 260 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.440 thoughts as the Gospel and Jesus teachings, because it's called 261 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:13.799 The Lessons of Love. You can get it on Amazon. 262 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:19.480 So and I'm thinking about another book right right now, 263 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.840 and I'm actually going to tackle those very questions that 264 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.480 you just raised, because they're valid questions and it's true. 265 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.200 It is true and a Christian is going to get 266 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.440 all upset about that. Well, I'm sorry. You know, do 267 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.279 you want to faith based on truth or based on lies? 268 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:36.720 I mean, that's really the bottom line. 269 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.519 Yeah, I agree with that a lot. And so you 270 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.600 went through this period where you were a pastor, you 271 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:50.080 were a minister, and did you witness like anyone like 272 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:55.200 because I think that, Yeah, did you witness anyone like 273 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.360 the healed or think that they were like what happened there? 274 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.799 Look? Yes, Look I witnessed a lot of so called 275 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.319 healings in the church. You know, it was it was 276 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.960 a evangelical Pentecostal church. I was a pastor, and so 277 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.920 they were really into healings and demon possessions. But look, 278 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.480 I just don't know how many other were genuine. I 279 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.440 mean when you when you go there long enough, you 280 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:24.079 see the same people coming up front time and time 281 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:28.359 and time and time, you know, and and they're constantly 282 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.400 coming in for healings, and and then you see people 283 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:35.200 in wheelchairs sitting in the church audience watching, and I think, well, 284 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.160 why aren't they going up standing up out of the wheelchairs. 285 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:43.240 You know. Look, I'm very skeptical of a lot of 286 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:48.480 those practices. Certainly demon in possession. I have a real 287 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.079 issue with that. I think you're causing major psychological damage 288 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:59.359 in some of the exorcisms that churches perform. Some of 289 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.720 my climbs serve me what I call survivors of this 290 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:12.319 type of Christian the I I doubt now a lot 291 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:18.200 of what I saw back then has been hypnotic, hyphens, 292 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.079 exaggerated emotions. I mean, I hate to say that, but 293 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:23.440 that's what I think. 294 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.440 Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off ahead, No, I. 295 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.680 Was just say that's one of the reasons why eventually left. 296 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:34.240 I I well, I I was asked to leave, but 297 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.599 I was at the point of leaving anyway, you know, 298 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:41.279 and and calling calling my work and a bondation to 299 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:46.880 the Lord. That was like, excuse me, no, I don't think. So. 300 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:52.160 How do you feel about like paranormal or supernatural you 301 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.319 just mentioned like demons in there. How does the paranormal 302 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.000 or the supernatural fit into your beliefs? 303 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.279 Oh, well, I believe in the paranole and supernatural. Now 304 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.519 that being said, there's a lot of scams, a lot 305 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:16.200 of frauds and common artists out there. It depends on 306 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.960 I mean, you break it down, but less let's look 307 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:25.480 at some look esp intuitions. Is that real? I think 308 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.920 it is real. I think that I think that we're 309 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.440 tapping into a universal energy reverse We call it the 310 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:37.880 whirlwind that binds us and all of humanity together. Carl 311 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.440 Jung called it a collective unconscious. I think that that's 312 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.519 how a lot of ESP for example, happens, is through 313 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.680 energetic transfers through the whirlwind. I believe in that very 314 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:58.400 very strongly. I've experienced paranormal manifestations around my work. Very common. 315 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:02.200 One is odors. We talked to any reverse speech person 316 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.880 and I'll tell you about the odors. They're They're amazing. 317 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.599 That's that's the whole other story in and of itself. 318 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.720 Perfume both both both it's it's it's one of the 319 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:20.200 unusual paranormal phenomena that surrounds reverse speech. It's the appearance 320 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.440 of odors. It could be roses perfume. If someone's angry 321 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:28.640 or in like co reaction, you can get burning rubber 322 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.160 and tar very strong. When I have my practice in 323 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.920 San Diego, the odors the olds were so strong in 324 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.599 between clients we actually had to get a large fan 325 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.279 to find out. The office in between clients is to 326 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.079 get rid of the odors. Still happens to this day, 327 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.359 quite a fascinating says, Obviously, I believe in that UFOs, 328 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.279 you know, I believe there's something out there. But I 329 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:56.119 think that I thinks a lot of the proponents of 330 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.720 the UFOs and Colin Hardis and frauds or just just 331 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:02.000 that right delusional. 332 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:09.799 The UFO community last Nimes, there was very many good 333 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:11.720 reversals on it. 334 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.240 Oh, I should play some of my reverses on church leaders. 335 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:16.839 Oh my god, they're even worse. 336 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.079 I'd like to hear some of them. Actually, do you 337 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.319 have any on what's his name, jaw Austin. 338 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.720 Yeah, yeah, I'll pull them up in a second. Yeah, 339 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.920 we can look at some of them. I want to hear. 340 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.240 He's a man. So look, the bottom line is I 341 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:39.079 believe in spirit and I believe in paranormal. However, that 342 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:45.759 is said with a huge Bacavian that mostive proponents out 343 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:51.039 there were religion paranormal UFOs are all con artists and frauds. 344 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.079 And unfortunately that's been what I have discovered in my 345 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.680 research with reverse speech, and was about. 346 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.119 Like smell and stuff. Like a lot of times I 347 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:07.400 would smell like what it smells like dry dryer sheets, 348 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:10.359 but like I'm not doing any laundry in the house, 349 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.000 sheets like a weird dryer sheet smell. And I thought 350 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.599 maybe it was could have been like the neighbors and stuff, 351 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.039 but it's small dryer sheets a lot. I don't know 352 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:20.559 what it. 353 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:26.160 Is we're creating it. I think the sense of smell 354 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.400 is a now the human sense we are transmitting and 355 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.599 receiving odors all the time, is what I believe based 356 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.359 on what reverse speeches told me. And you know, I 357 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.680 mentioned the oders every now, and you know, I don't 358 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.839 talk about these paranormal stuff, but when I do mention, 359 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:44.599 I get stories like from you, well, yeah, I've smelled 360 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.640 this stuff gastually, you know, I think it's everywhere. Well, 361 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.160 we just to think about it, you know, it's not 362 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:52.319 used to it. 363 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.400 Or if you like, smell something that you haven't smelled 364 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.319 in like a really long time, and then it takes 365 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.079 you back to that example when you were really young. 366 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:03.200 Have you Have you ever had that happen before, where 367 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.920 like you walk around a store or something and you 368 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.680 smell something you have and you're just immediately transported back 369 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.279 to the very first time that you ever smelled at 370 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:13.039 like when you were a kid. 371 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.400 Yeah, well maybies are encounded and outs and smells. Sure, yeah, 372 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.920 it's a sense stimuli. Yeah, definitely. Yes. 373 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.400 You always thought that was really strange because sometimes I'll 374 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:29.640 smell like a perfume that like someone that I like 375 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:34.240 and girlfriend that I remember, you know, smelling like, and 376 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.079 I'm like, oh shit, I remember that, but it's kind 377 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:42.200 of like vague and you can't really place exactly where 378 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.519 it came from, which then kind of ties into to 379 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.240 like the deja vous as well, like the dee. I 380 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:49.680 don't know if that has anything to do with the 381 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:50.480 smells or not, but. 382 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.799 Yeah, could they ever looked at today? But obviously I 383 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:58.400 believe it. Yeah, I've experienced myself several times, you know, 384 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.119 so yeah, I believe it. All this stuff. It's just 385 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:05.640 a shame that it's all corrupt and they they comment 386 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:15.039 and comment and fools basically unfortunately jewels. You know, Oh 387 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.200 Joel are here, Let me get you, Let me get 388 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.839 you my Let me just whip to my all my 389 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:24.799 religious reversals. What year have I got it? Twenty two? 390 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.319 I think Joel hosting where are we? 391 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:30.160 Him? 392 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.920 And Kenneth Copeland literally so that he wasn't going to fly. 393 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:42.000 What's that called when you fly with everybody like regular flights? 394 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:43.839 Because people were demons. 395 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:52.440 Oh I didn't. Yeah, I saw trying to try to 396 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.680 trying to rebuke Covid too on TV doing this stupid 397 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:03.440 idiot doing crazy stuff, Joe Joe law. See, Okay, what 398 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:05.359 have I got. Let's have a look. I've got him 399 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.039 up now, Uh let me see. Okay, here we go. 400 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.160 It's his one of them. It was breaking their hearts. 401 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.400