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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the quark Side Quantum Physics podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>What if the universe has like a strict built in

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<v Speaker 2>speed limit and I am not talking about the speed

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<v Speaker 2>of light here, or you know, how fast a physical

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<v Speaker 2>object can fly through the vacuum of space. What if

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<v Speaker 2>there is a fundamental, unbreakable speed limit for how fast

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<v Speaker 2>information itself can be shared from one point in reality

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<v Speaker 2>to another.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when you start looking at the fabric of reality

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<v Speaker 3>through that lens, you realize pretty quickly that space and

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<v Speaker 3>time aren't just well, they aren't just an empty stage

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<v Speaker 3>where physics happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe actively regulates the flow of states and interactions,

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<v Speaker 3>and like any regulating mechanism, it has an absolute maximum

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<v Speaker 3>capacity for how fast it can.

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<v Speaker 2>Evolve, which is just wild to think about. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for the longest time this is kind of an open question. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But in twenty twenty six, theoretical physicists Emit Victrm and

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<v Speaker 2>Victor Galitski at the University of Maryland working alongside mathematician

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Show, they published this groundbreaking proof in Physical Review Letters.

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<v Speaker 2>They really did. They mathematically proved that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>universal minimum time required for quantum information to spread through

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<v Speaker 2>a system. So think about it like this. Imagine you

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<v Speaker 2>have a massive crystal clear tank of water, uh huh,

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<v Speaker 2>and you take a single dropper filled with glowing neon

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<v Speaker 2>green dye and you'll let one single drop hit the surface, right, So.

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<v Speaker 3>The physical diffusion of that dye is bound by fluid dynamics.

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<v Speaker 3>You watch the ten rolls of color slowly reach out,

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<v Speaker 3>interacting with the surrounding molecules exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But the question is what is the absolute minimum time

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<v Speaker 2>it takes for that exact color information, that greenness to

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<v Speaker 2>spread to every single molecule of water in that massive tank.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, in our conversation today, we aren't talking

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<v Speaker 2>about water and die. We are talking about the quantum

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<v Speaker 2>fabric of the universe itself, like how fast does reality

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<v Speaker 2>scramble and share information at the subatomic level.

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<v Speaker 3>And finding the answer to that question, I mean it

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<v Speaker 3>forces us to rethink everything from the architecture of future

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<v Speaker 3>quantum supercomputers to the deepest origins of chaos. In nature,

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<v Speaker 3>because if you can definitively prove a speed limit on

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<v Speaker 3>how fast quantum information can delocalize, you are essentially establishing

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<v Speaker 3>the hard boundaries of what is physically possible in our universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so to really wrap our heads around how quantum

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<v Speaker 2>information spreads today, we have to kind of rewind a

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<v Speaker 2>bit and look at the most extreme environments in the

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<v Speaker 2>entire universe. Oh yeah, the places where information gets trapped.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to talk about black holes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, black holes are the perfect starting point. For a

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<v Speaker 3>long time, you know, the classical view of a black

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<v Speaker 3>hole was just a perfect cosmic vacuum cleaner. Nothing escapes,

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<v Speaker 2>Light, right, just a bottomless pit exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But then in nineteen seventy four, Stephen Hawking proposed something radical.

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<v Speaker 3>He demonstrated that black holes actually emit thermal radiation, which

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<v Speaker 3>is what we now call Hawking radiation. In the moment

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<v Speaker 3>you introduce thermal radiation, you introduce thermodynamic properties. They have

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<v Speaker 3>a temperature and crucially.

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<v Speaker 2>They have entropy, right, And in thermodynamics, entropy is usually

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<v Speaker 2>described as a measure of disorder. But when we transition

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<v Speaker 2>into information theory, entropy is effectively a measure of information itself. Yes, precisely,

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<v Speaker 2>the more entropy as system has, the more hidden information

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<v Speaker 2>is required to fully describe its microscopic state. And Hawking

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<v Speaker 2>found that a black hole's entropy is directly proportional to

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<v Speaker 2>its surface area.

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<v Speaker 3>The event horizon. Yeah, the surface of the black hole

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<v Speaker 3>effectively acts like a vast storage medium because entropy measures information,

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<v Speaker 3>that surface area holds a finite quantifiable number of quibbits.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, let me make sure I'm following you. So a

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<v Speaker 2>black hole is basically a giant cosmic car drive storing

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<v Speaker 2>quibits on its surface, and its temperature dictates how those

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<v Speaker 2>quibits evolve.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, what's fascinating here is that you really have to

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<v Speaker 3>stop thinking of the event horizon as just a line

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<v Speaker 3>in space. Right in the framework we are discussing, the

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<v Speaker 3>horizon is a dynamic quantum membrane. The information of everything

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<v Speaker 3>that has ever fallen into that black hole doesn't just vanish.

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<v Speaker 3>Its quantum state gets smeared across the surface in the

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<v Speaker 3>form of entangled.

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<v Speaker 2>Quibts smeared across the surface. Okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And regarding temperature, well, temperature in any physical system is

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<v Speaker 3>a measure of kinetic energy, right of agitation. Sure, on

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<v Speaker 3>the surface of a black hole, the temperature literally governs

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<v Speaker 3>the thermal jitter of those entangled states. It dictates how

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<v Speaker 3>violently and how quickly those informational bits interact, shuffle, and

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<v Speaker 3>evolve with one another over time.

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<v Speaker 2>So the black hole's heat is basically the engine driving

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<v Speaker 2>the interaction of the data stored on its surface exactly. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if a black hole is essentially a giant system storing

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<v Speaker 2>and shuffling all this quantum information, the natural next question

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<v Speaker 2>is like, how does that information actually move around? How

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<v Speaker 2>does a change in one single state ripple out to

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the system. Right, Okay, let's unpack this

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<v Speaker 2>because I like to think about it like a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>highly choreographed dance at a crowded party.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I like where you're going to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So instead of just whispering a juicy rumor to

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<v Speaker 2>one person, imagine one person in the center of the

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<v Speaker 2>room starts doing a very specific complex dance move. For

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<v Speaker 2>the information or the dance to spread, they have to

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<v Speaker 2>physically lock arms with the people next to them and

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<v Speaker 2>pull them into the.

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<v Speaker 3>Rhythm, right, transferring the state exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Then those people lock arms with the next group. The

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<v Speaker 2>speed limit we are talking about is the absolute minimum

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<v Speaker 2>amount of time it takes before every single person in

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<v Speaker 2>that massive room is perfectly synchronized in the dance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and in the quantum world. Physicists call this process scrambling. Scrambling, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Scrambling is the process of generating massive multipartit entanglement. You

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<v Speaker 3>take the information from one localized particle and you delocalize it.

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<v Speaker 3>It spreads out across the entire system until you can

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<v Speaker 3>no longer read that original piece of information by just

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the original particle. You would have to measure

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<v Speaker 3>the entire system globally to recover it well.

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<v Speaker 2>And scientist has been trying to figure out the exact

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<v Speaker 2>speed of that delocalization for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Because in two thousand and eight, theoretical physicists Yasuhiro Sakino

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<v Speaker 2>and Leonard Suskind took Hawking's black hole idea further. They

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<v Speaker 2>formulated a conjecture. They did. They proposed that systems of

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<v Speaker 2>quibots at a certain temperature must take a minimum amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time to share information with each other. This time

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<v Speaker 2>delay depends entirely on two things, right, the number of

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<v Speaker 2>particles in the system and the temperature of this system.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Because heat is energy and energy drives interaction. A

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<v Speaker 3>hotter system, like a black hole, with a higher temperature

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<v Speaker 3>has more energy available to drive those quantum interactions.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's scrambled the information faster. Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But the problem Sekino and Suskan ran into was that

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<v Speaker 3>this was well merely a conjecture. It was a highly educated,

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<v Speaker 3>mathematically sound guess based on the properties of black holes.

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<v Speaker 3>For years after two thousand and eight, theorists studied the

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<v Speaker 3>scrambling process, but finding a mathematically exact, rigorously proven speed

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<v Speaker 3>limit seemed completely out of reach.

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<v Speaker 2>Just too complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the math governing how these highly entangled systems evolve

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<v Speaker 3>was just too complex to pin down into a universal rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's where it gets really interesting but also a

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<v Speaker 2>little brain bending. You're saying that just because a system

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<v Speaker 2>has specific energy levels, the universe essentially forces a lag

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<v Speaker 2>time on how fast it can physically change its state.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and this is exactly where the twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>breakthrough by Victim and Glitzki comes into play. To finally

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<v Speaker 3>prove this speed limit, they didn't just invent abstract new physics.

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<v Speaker 3>They went back to One of the most famous foundational

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<v Speaker 2>Of quantum caamare the energy time uncertainty principle.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, this is where we get to the core mechanism.

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<v Speaker 3>The energy time uncertainty principle states that the more precisely

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<v Speaker 3>you know a quantum system's energy, the less you can

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<v Speaker 3>know about the exact time it takes for that system

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<v Speaker 3>to evolve into a distinguishably different state.

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, I'm struggling with the mechanism here a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the statement, But why does knowing the energy

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<v Speaker 2>of a system force a physical lag time on its

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<v Speaker 2>state change? Like why can't a quantum system just instantaneously

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<v Speaker 2>snap from state A to state b? Ah?

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<v Speaker 3>Because quantum states are governed by wave functions, and wave

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<v Speaker 3>functions oscillate. Think of a quantum state like a vibrating

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<v Speaker 3>guitar string. Okay, the energy of that state determines the

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<v Speaker 3>frequency of the vibration. For a quantum system to evolve

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<v Speaker 3>into a completely distinct, non overlapping state, which physicists call

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<v Speaker 3>an orthogonal state, the wave function has to physically shift

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I see, if the energy is fixed and finite, the

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<v Speaker 3>frequency is finite. Therefore, it physically takes a minimum duration

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<v Speaker 3>of time for that wave to oscillate far enough to

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<v Speaker 3>become a newly distinguishable state. The universe simply doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the energy available to turn the dial any faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so, it's not like a traffic camera catching you

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<v Speaker 2>going too fast. It's a physical governor on an engine.

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<v Speaker 2>The system's energy strictly caps its maximum RPMs.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a much more accurate metaphor action.

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<v Speaker 2>So, because quantum systems have these well defined energy levels,

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<v Speaker 2>the universe mathematically prevents them from changing faster than that

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<v Speaker 2>wave function could physically shift.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, there is an absolute floor to how fast a

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<v Speaker 3>quantum state can evolve. Vikim and Glitski realized that this

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<v Speaker 3>built in wave function lag could be the key to

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<v Speaker 3>understanding the scrambling speed limit makes sense. In twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 3>they started applying the energy time uncertainty principle to the

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<v Speaker 3>entire process of quantum scrambling. But they hit a massive roadblock.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me guess, the standard uncertainty principle doesn't account for

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<v Speaker 2>complex thermodynamic environments, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It was missing a crucial ingredient, the temperature. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>knew from Sekino and Suskin's black hole theories that temperature

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<v Speaker 3>was the ultimate driving force behind how fast quddits interact

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<v Speaker 3>in a large system. Right, the heat drives the dance exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>but incorporating temperature into the rigid mathematics of the energy

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<v Speaker 3>time uncertainty principle was incredibly difficult. In a thermal system,

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<v Speaker 3>you aren't just dealing with one distinct energy level. You

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<v Speaker 3>are dealing with a thermal density.

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<v Speaker 2>Matrix, which is what exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a statistical mixture of many possible states wildly interacting.

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<v Speaker 3>They needed to find a way to introduce a temperature

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<v Speaker 3>dependence and use rigorous mathematical bounds to translate that chaos

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<v Speaker 2>And that brings us to the final piece of the

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<v Speaker 2>puzzle and the twenty twenty six breakthrough. Vicrum and Glitzky

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<v Speaker 2>teamed up with mathematician Laura Show, and it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>bringing a pure mathematician to a theoretical physics fight is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what was needed to bridge the gap.

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<v Speaker 3>It really was, Show helped them navigate the mattchmadical complexities

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<v Speaker 3>of that thermal density matrix. Nice Together, they introduced rigorous

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<v Speaker 3>mathematical bounds on the eigenvalues of the system, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Trio successfully proved a clear, indisputable mathematical relationship. They prove

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<v Speaker 3>that the absolute minimum time required to scramble a quantum

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<v Speaker 3>system is proportional to the final entropy of that system

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's make sure we totally grasp the mechanics of

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<v Speaker 2>the hotter the system, the shorter the minimum time required.

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<v Speaker 2>The extra thermal energy literally speeds up the wave function

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<v Speaker 3>But importantly, it is still a hard limit, it never

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<v Speaker 3>becomes instantaneous, and on the flip side, it is directly

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<v Speaker 3>proportional to the final entropy. Entropy again being the measure

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<v Speaker 3>of hidden information. The larger the amount of information that

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<v Speaker 2>So they basically wrote the exact formula for the universe's

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<v Speaker 2>ultimate engine governor. They did. They proved exactly how fast

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<v Speaker 2>the quantum dance can synchronize based on how hot the

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<v Speaker 3>If we connect this to the bigger picture, the magnitude

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<v Speaker 3>of this mathematical proof cannot be overstated. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>massive paradigm shift, really, how so? Previously the scientific expectation

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<v Speaker 3>only existed in highly idealized, small scale systems. Systems where

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the kind of sterile environment you build in a

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<v Speaker 2>multimillion dollar laboratory exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But what vikrm Glitski and show proved is that this

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<v Speaker 3>exact entropy and temperature dependent speed limit exists in every

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<v Speaker 3>single quantum system. It is a universal law of nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you are looking at a localized laboratory experiment, a

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<v Speaker 3>at the center of galaxy, the spreading of information is

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<v Speaker 3>bound by this exact same mathematical limit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what does this all mean? Like we have

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<v Speaker 2>the math, we know the universe's ultimate quantum speed limit.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does this matter for the future of human technology

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<v Speaker 3>The real world implications are staggering, especially for the immediate

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<v Speaker 3>future of human engineering. First, let's look at quantum computing.

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<v Speaker 3>We are currently in a global race to build massive

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<v Speaker 3>error corrected quantum computers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right everyone's trying to build one.

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<v Speaker 3>And these architectures rely on complex networks of millions of

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<v Speaker 3>flow of data without it dissolving into thermal noise. We

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<v Speaker 2>Because a quantum computer isn't just a math machine, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and this universal speed limit gives engineers the exact

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<v Speaker 3>boundary conditions for how fast they can process information within

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Any process related to scrambling fundamentally settles only after this

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<v Speaker 3>laws of physics will allow those wave functions to shift.

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<v Speaker 2>You just cannot beat the clock.

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<v Speaker 3>You really can't. And secondly, this gives us profound new

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<v Speaker 3>tools to explore the origins of chaos. Chaos and physics

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<v Speaker 3>isn't just pure randomness. It is the study of how

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<v Speaker 3>tiny microscopic changes in initial conditions explode into massively different macroscopic.

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<v Speaker 2>Outcomes, the butterfly effect basically right.

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<v Speaker 3>By understanding exactly how fast information spreads and delocalizes at

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<v Speaker 3>chaotic systems as they transition from quantum rules to classical reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And fleshing out those concrete bounds also serveles back to

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can apply this universal math to everything, we

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<v Speaker 2>this of those cosmic hard drives. Understanding exactly how hawking

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<v Speaker 2>radiation encodes the information of the stars that.

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<v Speaker 3>Collapse to form them absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to ask you about something even wilder.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen headlines for years about scientists teleporting the quantum

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<v Speaker 2>state of a photon from one lab to another using entanglement. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>does this mean that if we ever master practical quantum

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<v Speaker 2>teleportation on a macroscopic scale, there is a physical lag

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<v Speaker 2>never ever bypass.

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely means that quantum teleportation relies on entanglement, and

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<v Speaker 3>creating that entanglement across the system requires scrambling the actual

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<v Speaker 3>transfer of state. The delocalizing and reassembling of that quantum

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<v Speaker 3>information is permanently bottlenecked by the initial temperature of the

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<v Speaker 3>system and the final entropy. Even if we perfectly untangle

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<v Speaker 2>Just mind blowing. It really makes you realize that the

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<v Speaker 2>universe isn't just a physical space containing objects. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>active regulating medium that strictly controls the flow and evolution

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the universe has a rhythm and it enforces a

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's bring this all together for everyone listening. We

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<v Speaker 2>started this journey staring into the abyss of a black hole,

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<v Speaker 2>realizing that it isn't empty, but rather its surface acts

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<v Speaker 2>as a storage medium holding information as complex quantum states.

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<v Speaker 2>We looked at how that information scrambles and spreads, requiring

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<v Speaker 2>the physical shifting of wave functions, and we saw how

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<v Speaker 2>a decade's old puzzle was finally solved by applying the

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<v Speaker 2>energy time uncertainty principle to thermal systems, proving that temperature

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<v Speaker 2>and entropy dictate a universal, unbreakable speed limit. Reality literally

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<v Speaker 2>has a maximum speed at which it can physically process changes.

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<v Speaker 3>This raises an important question. We've talked about how the

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<v Speaker 3>speed limit applies to black holes, quantum computers, and modern teleportation,

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<v Speaker 3>but consider the absolute beginning of our universe oho in

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<v Speaker 3>the first fractions of a second during the Big Bang,

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<v Speaker 3>the universe was an infinitely dense, infinitely hot singularity. If

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<v Speaker 3>every quantum system has a fundamental, mathematically proven speed limit

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<v Speaker 3>on how fast its information can scramble, dictated by temperature

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<v Speaker 3>and entropy, how did the entire early universe communicate and

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<v Speaker 3>synchronize its temperature so perfectly before rapid expansion tore it apart.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a huge question.

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<v Speaker 3>Are the echoes of this quantum speed limit stamped directly

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<v Speaker 3>into the cosmic microwave background, hiding the true timeline of

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<v Speaker 3>the dawn of time?

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<v Speaker 2>Now that is a thought that will completely change how

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the night sky the next time you

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<v Speaker 2>drop a little dye into a glass of water and

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<v Speaker 2>watch the color slowly reach out to one another. Just

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<v Speaker 2>remember you're watching the underlying laws of the universe calculate

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<v Speaker 2>the spread of information at the absolute fastest speed it

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<v Speaker 2>physically can. Thank you so much for joining us on

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<v Speaker 2>this exploration of the universe's hidden rules. It has been

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute thrill to unpack the mechanics of reality with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay curious, keep questioning the world around you, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will catch you next time.