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Speaker 2: You are now entering the stone Zone. Kick back with
Speaker 2: me while I enjoy what President Richard Nixon used to
Speaker 2: call a silver bullet, that's an extra Duye vodka martini,
Speaker 2: and we review today's political news. You almost have to
Speaker 2: admire the consistency of my friend Mike Lindell, the crazy
Speaker 2: Pillow Guy, the my Pillow founder, went into Tuesday's Minnesota
Speaker 2: Republican Guben Soil primary with the endorsement of President Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: substantial name recognition, and polling that had given him reasonably
Speaker 2: that he could win. One Survey USA poll had Mike
Speaker 2: Lindell at thirty five percent to his opponent, House Speaker
Speaker 2: Lisa Dmouth's twenty six percent. But when Minnesota voters, Republican
Speaker 2: voters actually voted well, they delivered a rather different result.
Speaker 2: Now this isn't really surprising because unfortunately, my friend Mike
Speaker 2: Lindelle undermined his entire campaign for governor right after he
Speaker 2: was endorsed by President Donald Trump by coming out for
Speaker 2: amnesty for illegal immigrants. With a vast majority of people
Speaker 2: in Minnesota and America, according to every poll, want illegal
Speaker 2: immigrants deported. I just don't know what Mike was thinking.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I warned Mike previously that former
Speaker 2: presidential advisor Steve Bannon would ultimately be revealed as a
Speaker 2: close revisor to Jeffrey Epstein, that Bennon had been seen
Speaker 2: coming and going from Epstein's palatial home in Manhattan, that
Speaker 2: Bennon had visited Epstein's island, and ultimately, when the FBI
Speaker 2: released nineteen hundred emails that showed that Steve Bannon, in
Speaker 2: his conversations with Jeffrey Epstein, had advocated for the removal
Speaker 2: of President Donald Trump under the twenty fifth Amendment, had
Speaker 2: denigrated Trump and said that he Bannon, not Trump, was
Speaker 2: the head of the MAGA movement. I warned Michael Lindell,
Speaker 2: but Mike continued appearing on Steve Bannon's show. Now, this
Speaker 2: wasn't in Minnesota one of those elections where somebody lost
Speaker 2: by six hundred votes and everybody spends three days staring
Speaker 2: at provisional ballots. Dumouth, Mike's opponent, received forty three percent
Speaker 2: of the vote, Lindell about thirty three percent, with a
Speaker 2: third candidate, Kendrill Qualls, taking roughly another twenty percent. So,
Speaker 2: in other words, Dumouth's advantage over Mike Lendell was more
Speaker 2: than forty five thousand votes on the reporting count. That's
Speaker 2: a substantial defeat. That's not a close call. It also
Speaker 2: represents an upset of sorts because well, Michael Lindell had
Speaker 2: something that Republican candidates covered enormously. He had the endorsement
Speaker 2: of President Donald Trump. But unfortunately, I think he voiaged
Speaker 2: that endorsement by coming out in favor of amnesty for
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants. Now, if you know anything about Mike Lindell,
Speaker 2: you probably know exactly what happened next. Mike Lindell refuses
Speaker 2: to concede. Instead, he began talking about possible irregularities in
Speaker 2: the election. He told the Borders that his people were
Speaker 2: hearing about what they call anomalies. But there's a rather
Speaker 2: different distinction here, particularly for those of us who take
Speaker 2: election integrity seriously. An allegation is not evidence. As of today,
Speaker 2: Mike Lindell has not publicly demonstrated fraud sufficient to explain
Speaker 2: anything resembling a forty five thousand vote deficit. And I
Speaker 2: have to admit there's something almost comically predictable about all
Speaker 2: of this. If Mike Lindell entered a contest to determine
Speaker 2: America's favorite pillow and finished second, I suspect we'd be
Speaker 2: hearing by breakfast about irregularities in the pillow counting machines.
Speaker 2: This is, after all, a man who spent years making
Speaker 2: election fraud allegation. I've paid millions of dollars to supposedly
Speaker 2: former intelligence agents, but has never been able to present
Speaker 2: the proof. So when he loses his own election and
Speaker 2: immediately begins questioning the count nobody exactly falls out of
Speaker 2: their chair in astonishment. But underneath the humor here is
Speaker 2: a serious point. Election integrity matters too much to become
Speaker 2: an automatic explanation for losing. If Mike Lindell has evidence, well,
Speaker 2: let's see it. If there are genuine discrepancies, investigate them.
Speaker 2: If ballots were mishandled, documented, if election law was violated,
Speaker 2: identified that violation. Americans should insist on transparent elections and
Speaker 2: aggressively investigate credible evidence of wrongdoing. But the burden is
Speaker 2: on the person making the accusation to produce actual evidence,
Speaker 2: particularly when we're talking about a double digit defeat rather
Speaker 2: than a razor thin recount situation. Now there's another political
Speaker 2: story here that shouldn't be overlooked. Trump's endorsement wasn't enough,
Speaker 2: or rather Mike undid that endorsement by coming out for
Speaker 2: ambesty for illegals. That does not mean that Trump's influence
Speaker 2: of Republican primaries has suddenly disappeared. The President remains enormously
Speaker 2: influential within the Republican Party. My phone is ringing off
Speaker 2: the hook with various Florida candidates at all levels seeking
Speaker 2: the President's endorsement in the next Tuesday's Florida primary. But
Speaker 2: endorsements aren't magic wands. Minnesota Republicans had their own state
Speaker 2: House speaker and Lisa Dumouth, and enough of them apparently
Speaker 2: decided she represented a stronger choice for November. The result
Speaker 2: is particularly striking because Lindell's national profile, of course, dwarfed hers,
Speaker 2: and November is where this gets much harder. You see, Dumouth,
Speaker 2: the Republican will now face US Senator Amy Klobashar, who
Speaker 2: easily won the Democrat Farm Labor goognatorial primary and begins
Speaker 2: a general election with formidable statewide name recognition. Republicans haven't
Speaker 2: won a statewide cut testing Minnesotan's two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: So Jamouz's task is considerable. She has to unite the
Speaker 2: Republican electorate after the primary. She has to attract independence
Speaker 2: to persuade voters. After years of Democrat control, Minnesota needs
Speaker 2: a change of direction. As for my friend Mike Lindell,
Speaker 2: he has every right to examine the results. He has
Speaker 2: every right to request information available under Minnesota law, and
Speaker 2: if he discovers genuine evidence of wrongdoing, he should produce it.
Speaker 2: But until then, the scoreboard says that his opponent won
Speaker 2: in Mike Lindell laws. And perhaps there's a lesson here.
Speaker 2: You can't defend election integrity by assuming that every election
Speaker 2: you lose must have been stolen. Sometimes the voters simply
Speaker 2: choose the other candidate. And therefore, for Mike Lindell, accepting
Speaker 2: the possibility that he may have considerably lost, it will
Speaker 2: be considerably less comfortable for him than one of his pillows.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, I've been watching very closely the South
Speaker 2: Carolina Senate race. That's got a lot more interesting when
Speaker 2: Senator Lindsey Graham died suddenly on July eleventh. Governor Henry McMaster,
Speaker 2: an old friend of mine, appointed Graham's sister, Darlene Graham,
Speaker 2: to temporarily fill the seat. Or initially looked like a
Speaker 2: caretaker appointment, quickly became something more. President Trump encouraged her
Speaker 2: to run for a full term, endorsed her, and the
Speaker 2: Republican establishment largely foulid place behind her. Yesterday was the
Speaker 2: first round of the South Carolina Republican primary, and South
Speaker 2: Carolina Republicans got their first chance to render a verdict,
Speaker 2: and that verdict was decidedly mixed to see. Darlene Graham
Speaker 2: finished first in a ten candidate Republican field with about
Speaker 2: thirty three percent of the vote. Congressman Ralph Norman, a
Speaker 2: reliable conservative, came in second with roughly twenty four percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. Congressman Russell Fry took about twenty percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. Former Governor Mark Sandford remember him, He's
Speaker 2: the guy who went missing while said he was he
Speaker 2: was on the Appalachian Trail, when in fact he was
Speaker 2: in South America with his mistress. He got an amazing
Speaker 2: fifteen percent, but well, nobody reached the majority required for
Speaker 2: the nomination. So now the two top vote getters, Darlene
Speaker 2: Graham and Ralph Norman head into an August twenty fifth runoff.
Speaker 2: Now there's two completely different ways to read these numbers.
Speaker 2: Graham can, of course say I won well. She finished
Speaker 2: nine points ahead of Norman, despite being a political newcomer
Speaker 2: thrown into a statewide campaign un extraordinarily short notice. She
Speaker 2: also has the most valuable endorsement available in South Carolina
Speaker 2: in a Republican primary, that of President Donald Trump, and
Speaker 2: Trump isn't merely leaving his name on a press release.
Speaker 2: He said Tuesday night that he intends to go to
Speaker 2: South Carolina to campaign for her. But Norman can look
Speaker 2: at exactly the same returns and make a very different argument.
Speaker 2: Sixty seven percent of Republican voters voted for someone other
Speaker 2: than Darlene Graham, the sister of the late Lindsay Graham,
Speaker 2: So Norman, Fry, and Stanford together accounted for nearly sixty
Speaker 2: percent of the vote. Of course, you can't simply add
Speaker 2: those numbers together and hand them to Norman. Politics doesn't
Speaker 2: really work that way. But in a two person runoff,
Speaker 2: those voters suddenly became the entire ballgame, and Norman only
Speaker 2: has to find enough of them to erase a nine
Speaker 2: point first round deficit. That brings us to Russell Fry.
Speaker 2: That congressman had roughly twenty percent might now be the
Speaker 2: most valuable block for Republican votes in South Carolina. Where
Speaker 2: Fry goes personally matters, because where his votes go matter
Speaker 2: is considerably more. Norman needs to consolidate Republicans who wanted
Speaker 2: an alternative to Lindsay Graham's sister. Graham's objective is the opposite,
Speaker 2: present this from becoming a simple anti Graham coalition. If
Speaker 2: she can hold her first round votes, picking up a
Speaker 2: meaningful piece of Fry's support, and benefit from a Trump
Speaker 2: driven turnout operation, well the repetip could change very quickly.
Speaker 2: But there's another fascinating wrinkle here. There is not a
Speaker 2: conventional magaver's establishment race. Norman is a House Freedom Caucus
Speaker 2: conservative with an actual congressional voting record, and Graham is
Speaker 2: the candidate endorsed by President Trump. Norman's vulnerability is that
Speaker 2: he supported Nikki Haley rather than Trump during the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four presidential primary, although he endorsed Trump after Haley withdrew.
Speaker 2: But that's a significant negative in the Trump crowd, including
Speaker 2: with me. His opportunities to make the run off about
Speaker 2: experience and ideological record rather than personalities or political history.
Speaker 2: Graham's opportunities to make it about Trump's judgment and her
Speaker 2: status as an outsider. And that's why this next two
Speaker 2: weeks could be even more revealing than the first round.
Speaker 2: You see, runoffs are different animals, turnout contracts, intensity matters more,
Speaker 2: endorsements matter more, and organization matters enormously. Norman has to
Speaker 2: persuade a Republicans who voted for Fry Sandford and the
Speaker 2: other candidates that he is their logical second choice. Graham
Speaker 2: has to convinced them that yesterday's results central the fundamental question.
Speaker 2: She finished first, She has Trump's backing, and Republicans should
Speaker 2: unite behind her. Trump campaign appearance could therefore be one
Speaker 2: of the most pivotal moments of this race. So I
Speaker 2: would resist declaring a favorite tonight. Darlene Graham won the
Speaker 2: first battle, but Ralph Norman may have the more intriguing
Speaker 2: arithmetic Here. Graham has Trump, the Senate seat and the
Speaker 2: Graham political name, as well as the institutional backing of
Speaker 2: the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and of course a very
Speaker 2: popular governor Henry McMaster. Norman has experience a freedom caucus
Speaker 2: record and a potentially enormous pool of first round voters
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent who chose someone other than Darlene Graham
Speaker 2: August twenty fifth will tell us which matters more in
Speaker 2: a state that hasn't elected a Democrat to the US
Speaker 2: Senate in twenty eight years, there's a very good argument
Speaker 2: that this this runoff is merely another Republican primary. It
Speaker 2: could definitely be the contest that effectively determines the South
Speaker 2: Carolina next US Center. In other words, whoever wins this
Speaker 2: runoff on the twenty fifth is almost certainly to go
Speaker 2: to the US Senate. Take your pick. I was not
Speaker 2: particularly a fan of Lindsey Graham, but I will not
Speaker 2: speak ill of the dead. But his sister is in
Speaker 2: the pole position here to win this contest, while Ralph Norman,
Speaker 2: who unfortunately for him, supported Nikki Haley, has got to
Speaker 2: pull together an awful lot of votes. We're talking politics
Speaker 2: with the kind of breakdown that only we can give
Speaker 2: right here in the Stone Zone. Don't go away, because
Speaker 2: we'll be back with more. As I begin to jam
Speaker 2: and whether Nassau County Executive Bruce Blakeman can pull an
Speaker 2: upset and actually defeat Kathy Hochel in the upcoming contest
Speaker 2: for governor of the Empire State.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to the Stone Zone. President Trump announced
Speaker 2: today that Caroline Levitt will be departing her role as
Speaker 2: the White House Press Secretary to spend more time with
Speaker 2: her young children. Now, in my fifty years in American politics,
Speaker 2: I've known for presidential press secretaries, some of them good,
Speaker 2: some of them great. But I have to tell you
Speaker 2: Carolyn Levitt has been the best. She first came to
Speaker 2: my attention when she ran a spirited campaign for Congress
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. She didn't win that, but she gained
Speaker 2: valuable experience, and as the president spokesperson, I think she's
Speaker 2: been enormously effective. She has been feisty. One of the
Speaker 2: job required that she has provided information is necessary to
Speaker 2: a largely hostile press corps, but she didn't put up
Speaker 2: with any guff. President Trump put out a statement. His
Speaker 2: statement said, our wonderful White House Press Secretary and one
Speaker 2: of my most trustless aids, Caroline Levity, will be departing
Speaker 2: her role at the end of the month so she
Speaker 2: can spend more time with a beautiful young children and family,
Speaker 2: a decision I totally understand and respect. Caroline will now
Speaker 2: be one of my top outside advisors and an influential
Speaker 2: voice within the Republican Party as we work to defy
Speaker 2: history and conclusively win the midterm elections. Caroline has been
Speaker 2: a real leader in the White House and has done
Speaker 2: a phenomenal job fighting for justice, liberty, and freedom since
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, including our historic reelection campaign in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Caroline Levin has been one of the best White House
Speaker 2: Press secretary of the history of the office. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Caroline for a job well done. Signed President Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: This comes on the heels of the White House Council.
Speaker 2: David Warrington also tendering his resignation to go back to
Speaker 2: private visiting. Dave Warrington and I have been friends since
Speaker 2: we were in Young Americans for Freedom together. Named as
Speaker 2: his replacement is Will Sharf. Will Sharf is one of
Speaker 2: the sharpest young lawyers I know. Actually supported his unsuccessful
Speaker 2: campaign for the Attorney General's office in his native Missouri.
Speaker 2: By the way, my general experience in politics, in which
Speaker 2: I have quite a bit, is that candidates who run
Speaker 2: and lose are always better the second time around. The
Speaker 2: very best candidates are those who learned from that first experience.
Speaker 2: I think of Tom Kane of New Jersey, who ran
Speaker 2: for governor in nineteen seventy seven, lost that contest, lost
Speaker 2: the Republican primary to state Senator Ray Bateman, who went
Speaker 2: on to lose to Brendan Byrn in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: Tom Kine came back and ran again. This time he
Speaker 2: ran a much better campaign, and he was a much
Speaker 2: better candidate. In every case, candidates who have run and
Speaker 2: lost have profited if they view it not as a
Speaker 2: defeat but as a building experience. As my mentor Richard
Speaker 2: Nixon said, a man is not finished when he is defeated.
Speaker 2: He is only finished when he quits. And that is
Speaker 2: the story of American politics. That is a story of
Speaker 2: all of these kiddings. Caroline Levitt is quitting today. She's
Speaker 2: leaving a job. But at her age and with her
Speaker 2: talent level, I have no doubt whatsoever she will be
Speaker 2: back in the political arena again to fight for her country.
Speaker 2: How do the president point it, to fight for justice, liberty,
Speaker 2: and freedom. I have no doubt whatsoever that in the
Speaker 2: future fight for America. Caroline Levitt will be in the
Speaker 2: front lines. I'm Roger Stone to listen to Stones, and
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're going to look at Bruce Blakeman,
Speaker 2: the Nassau County executive, and whether he could really be
Speaker 2: New York Governor Kathy ople.
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Speaker 2: You know the best thing about summer, of course, if
Speaker 2: you're a well dressed gentleman, is the summer alternatives available
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Speaker 2: my favorite, those two tone spectator shoes or a nice
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Speaker 2: a great look. So I love this time of year
Speaker 2: because I'm a political junkie, I of course have been
Speaker 2: very carefully watching the upcoming race between Bruce Blakeman and
Speaker 2: Kathy Hockel. Now here's the political number we're paying attention to.
Speaker 2: Forty nine to thirty nine. That's Governor Kathy Hockel's lead
Speaker 2: over Republican Bruce Blakeman, the Nassau accounting executive, in the
Speaker 2: New Siana poll of likely New York voters first one
Speaker 2: morning sign. An incumbent under fifty is generally thought to
Speaker 2: be in trouble. In this case, Kathy Hokeel, with universal
Speaker 2: name I Do and enormous resources is not breaking fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the vote. Now, a ten point deficit is
Speaker 2: obviously still a deficit in Anybody telling you that Bruce
Speaker 2: Blakeman is presently won in this race doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to read the poll. But here's what makes the number interesting.
Speaker 2: At roughly this stage, four years ago, Sienna had Hochel
Speaker 2: beating Republican congressman and a good friend of mine, Lie
Speaker 2: Zelden by fourteen points fifty three to thirty nine. Again,
Speaker 2: Hokeel over fifty and a fourteen point margin. Zelgen ultimately lost,
Speaker 2: but in the end only by about six points. So
Speaker 2: that history doesn't tell us what will happen in November,
Speaker 2: but it does tell us not to dismiss a upset
Speaker 2: in the New York governor's race as early as August,
Speaker 2: remember the chronology of twenty twenty two. In augusta had
Speaker 2: Hochel ahead by fourteen points, but by late September her
Speaker 2: sien elite had actually expanded to seventeen points fifty four
Speaker 2: to thirty seven. The conventional wisdom by some said the
Speaker 2: race was basically over them. Then something happened. New York
Speaker 2: governors started focusing intensely on the election. Zelden hammered away
Speaker 2: on crime and the economy, as well as high taxes,
Speaker 2: and the contest tightened dramatically, even though Hokel had unlimited
Speaker 2: money and Zeldin had to struggle to raise money. By
Speaker 2: October eighteenth, Siena itself had Hockel's advantage down to eleven
Speaker 2: points fifty two to forty one. Then came election Day,
Speaker 2: lee Zelden didn't win, but became considerably closer than those
Speaker 2: earlier polls it suggested he might. And that matters in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because Bruce Blakeman isn't trying to invent
Speaker 2: a Republican coalition that has never existed. He's trying to
Speaker 2: take the base coalition that Zelden assembled four years ago
Speaker 2: and find the additional votes that Zelden couldn't find with
Speaker 2: lesser resources. That's a difficult assignment and heavily democratic New York.
Speaker 2: But it's as much more concrete problem than people saying
Speaker 2: Republicans can't win in New York because that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: true and looked underneath today's statewide numbers, because this is
Speaker 2: where the race becomes even more interesting. Sienna has Blakeman
Speaker 2: leading in the suburbs forty nine to forty one, essentially
Speaker 2: even with her upstate and Hopel's enormous firewalls. Of course,
Speaker 2: New York City, where Sienna has her leading sixty forty nineteen.
Speaker 2: So that tells you exactly what the geographical equation looks like.
Speaker 2: Blakeman needs a major suburban performance. He has to win
Speaker 2: on Long Island, he has to win in Westchester up
Speaker 2: through Rockland, he has to win in the suburbs, and
Speaker 2: he needs to prevent Hoko from building an insurmoutrable margin
Speaker 2: inside New York City. Blakeman also comes into this race
Speaker 2: with a different resume than my Friendly's elder. He's the
Speaker 2: Nassau County executive and he can point to running one
Speaker 2: of the biggest suburban governments in America rather than campaigning
Speaker 2: purely as a legislator, and Nassau County sits right in
Speaker 2: the suburban battlefield. A Republican has to dominate there to
Speaker 2: have chances statewide. Whose Blakeman has won in Nassau County
Speaker 2: by large margins several times. His campaign is emphasizing taxes, affordability, crime,
Speaker 2: and immigration, while attempting to tie Hokul to policies coming
Speaker 2: of New York Cities Democratic left. And here's where Republicans
Speaker 2: have to be realistic. However, till point ten points is
Speaker 2: still a substantial gap. Hockel is at forty nine in
Speaker 2: the Santa Pore, and New York's underlying Democrat advantage hasn't disappeared.
Speaker 2: She has an overwhelming lead New York City and substantial
Speaker 2: advantages among both women and black voters. So Blakeman cannot
Speaker 2: merely reproduce normal Republican turnout and hope dissatisfaction with already
Speaker 2: carries him over the line. He has to somehow expand
Speaker 2: the Republican coalition, particularly among suburban and working class voters,
Speaker 2: while improving the Republican Party's performance somewhere within the five boroughs.
Speaker 2: Here's what he does have going for him. In the
Speaker 2: fifty years that I have been looking at poling, I
Speaker 2: have never seen a public official with a higher disapproval
Speaker 2: rating than Kathy Hochel. Never that encouraging factor means that
Speaker 2: this could really become a race, and the encouraging historical
Speaker 2: comparison for Blakeman is that we've already watched the New
Speaker 2: York ubernatorial race move significantly. In his final months, Zelman
Speaker 2: demonstrated that issues such as crime, inflation, and dissatisfaction which
Speaker 2: state government could make New York considerably more competitive than
Speaker 2: its presidential voting record might suggest. But there's also a
Speaker 2: warning in the Zelden experience. Getting closes it's the same
Speaker 2: thing as getting fifty percent. Zelden ran an unexpectedly strong
Speaker 2: campaign still couldn't overcome the Democrat advantage statewide. Blakeman therefore
Speaker 2: has to improve upon Zelden's coalition, not just recreate it.
Speaker 2: And that's where I put this race tonight. Hochel is
Speaker 2: still the leader, but Blakeman has a plausible path to
Speaker 2: making it competitive. He sent a poe doesn't establish what
Speaker 2: New York is about to elect a Republican government, but
Speaker 2: what it does establish is something more modest but more
Speaker 2: politically significant. Blakeman is closer to Hochel at this stage
Speaker 2: than Zelden was in Sciana's August twenty twenty two survey,
Speaker 2: and Zelden subsequently turned that race into a six point contest.
Speaker 2: If Blake can can dominate the suburbs, remain competitive upstate,
Speaker 2: or actually increases its position upstate, improve Republican performs in
Speaker 2: New York City only slightly, and make the election a
Speaker 2: referendum out Hochel rather than national politics, then New York
Speaker 2: could once again give us a Republican governor's race worth
Speaker 2: watching all the way to election night. Meanwhile, there's a
Speaker 2: remarkable story coming out of President Trump's trip to Turkey,
Speaker 2: and naturally, much of the coverage has concentrated on the
Speaker 2: cloak and dagger aspects of it. See last month, after
Speaker 2: the NATO Summit and Ankora, Trump publicly boarded the familiar
Speaker 2: Presidential seven forty seven. But intelligence indicated a credible Iranian
Speaker 2: threat against President Trump, so the Secret Service and the
Speaker 2: military did something extraordinary. Trump was quietly taken off that aircraft,
Speaker 2: moved across the airport, concealed in a catering vehicle, and
Speaker 2: put aboard a smaller Air Force C thirty two A,
Speaker 2: the big president'ial rejet took off without Trump. Trump was
Speaker 2: somewhere else. This wasn't Hollywood, This was presidential security. Now
Speaker 2: the controversy is that the White House staff and members
Speaker 2: of the press remained to board the other aircraft without
Speaker 2: knowing that Trump had left it. Critics are calling them
Speaker 2: human decoys and asking whether they were unnecessarily in danger.
Speaker 2: Those are legitimate questions of the Secret Service to answer
Speaker 2: our guests before we should come to the breathless suggestion
Speaker 2: that using deception to protect an American president is somehow
Speaker 2: a Trump invention is a rather inconvenient piece of presidential history.
Speaker 2: Here worth remembering. His name is Bill Clinton. Go back
Speaker 2: to March of two thousand. Clinton was traveling through South
Speaker 2: Asia wanted to make a highly sensitive visit to Pakistan.
Speaker 2: This wasn't exactly a garden variety presidential stop. Pakistan had
Speaker 2: undergone a military coup on the months earlier. The region
Speaker 2: was extraordinarily dangerous, and America officials were deeply concerned about terrorism.
Speaker 2: Before Clinton. National security officer Bruce Ridel later wrote, the
Speaker 2: United States had reliable reporting that Al Qaeda was targeting
Speaker 2: Clinton for assassination. The Secret Service took the danger seriously,
Speaker 2: as it should have. So what did the Clinton White
Speaker 2: House do? They also use deception? Clinton flew into Islamabad
Speaker 2: aboard a small, unmarked aircraft. Another aircraft bearing the official
Speaker 2: United States marketings landed first, right in front of the cameras.
Speaker 2: And here's the detail I particularly enjoy. A Secret Service
Speaker 2: agent who actually resembled Bill Clinton got off the decloy
Speaker 2: aircraft and got into the limousine. Only afterward did the
Speaker 2: unmarked plane carrying the real president arrive. The Washington Post
Speaker 2: reported the entire operation after the fact. This isn't speculation
Speaker 2: reconstructed twenty six years later. It actually happened. And the
Speaker 2: deception doesn't stop with the airplanes. Clinton's motorcade reportedly contained
Speaker 2: five similar black limousines, with the possibility of cars changing
Speaker 2: positions after leaving the airport. Why because when terrorists may
Speaker 2: be trying to assassinate the president of the United States,
Speaker 2: the Secret Service does not send them an itinerary. You
Speaker 2: create uncertainty, you conceal movements, You use an alternative aircraft
Speaker 2: in alternate vehicles, which makes the potential assassin or assassin's
Speaker 2: wonder which plan, which car, where is the president? No,
Speaker 2: that's not scandalous. That's precisely the point of a decoy.
Speaker 2: So now let's be precise, because there is one difference
Speaker 2: between the Clinton and Trumpet episodes and the Clinton operation,
Speaker 2: a senior representative of child in PRESCO was privately briefed
Speaker 2: about security precautions beforehand, but kept the information confidential. In
Speaker 2: Trump's case, according to the Washington Post, journalists and even
Speaker 2: some White House personnel aboard the other aircraft did not
Speaker 2: know that Trump had switched planes. Now, maybe that distinction
Speaker 2: is legitimate journalism. It's perfectly reasonable debate whether Trump's operation
Speaker 2: should have handled differently, But I don't think so, because
Speaker 2: it doesn't change the historical fact that American president using
Speaker 2: aircraft as part of an elaborate deception to defeat a
Speaker 2: potential assassin has a precedent. In fact, there's something almost
Speaker 2: reassuring about the continuity. In two thousand, that president was
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, the danger involved Al Qaida, and the destination
Speaker 2: was Pakistan. Twenty six years later, the president is Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: the reported threat is Iranian, and the operation occurred in Turkey.
Speaker 2: Different presidents, different enemies, different circumstances, but the same basic principle.
Speaker 2: When American intelligence and the Secret Service believed the commander
Speaker 2: in chief may be targeted, presidential security becomes deliberately unpredictable
Speaker 2: and that's exactly how it ought to be. So scrutinize
Speaker 2: the Trump operation, if you will for a moment, Ask
Speaker 2: whether everybody aboard the other aircraft was adequately protected. Ask
Speaker 2: why the details remained secret for weeks. Those are fair questions.
Speaker 2: But spare me the manufactured astonishment of the idea that
Speaker 2: the Secret Service might switch airplanes and employ a decoy
Speaker 2: to protect the president. Bill Clinton did it more than
Speaker 2: a forty century ago, complete with an unmarked play. A
Speaker 2: decroy aircraft and the president will look alike in multiple limousines.
Speaker 2: There's a serious story here about the continuing threat against
Speaker 2: the American president, But the tactic itself, no, it's not unprecedented.
Speaker 2: That's presidential security, and history has remarkably inconvenient memory. For
Speaker 2: there are some people whose lives have seemed almost impossible
Speaker 2: when you describe him. Jack Kemp was one of them.
Speaker 2: Before he became one of the most consequential Republican thinkers
Speaker 2: of his generation. Before eighteen years in Congress, before he
Speaker 2: was in the cabinet, before he became the Republican nominee
Speaker 2: for Vice President, Jack Kemp was a professional quarterback, and
Speaker 2: not some politicians who happened to play a couple of
Speaker 2: seasons of football. Jack Kemp was one of the defining
Speaker 2: quarterbacks of the American Football League. When you actually examine
Speaker 2: his record, I think there's a compelling case that Jack
Speaker 2: Kemp belongs in the Professional Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 2: His football story is wonderfully American because he began with
Speaker 2: a reject Camp, came out of Occidental College, bounced around
Speaker 2: professional football, eventually found his opportunity in the American Football
Speaker 2: League with the Los Angeles and then the latest San
Speaker 2: Diego Chargers. Camp became one of the AFL's original stars.
Speaker 2: He took the Chargers to anl AFL championship game in
Speaker 2: both nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty one. Then came one
Speaker 2: of the great personnel mistakes in football history. In nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty two, the San Diego Chargers put the injured Camp
Speaker 2: up on waivers. Buffalo claimed him for a waiver price
Speaker 2: of one hundred dollars. That one hundred dollars quarterback would
Speaker 2: help change the history of the Buffalo Bills. And here's
Speaker 2: where Kemp's record becomes remarkable. He took Buffalo to the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four AFL championship game, where the Bills defeated
Speaker 2: their former team, the San Diego Chargers, twenty to seven
Speaker 2: to win the championship. Then Kemp did it again in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five. Buffalo again met San Diego for the
Speaker 2: NFL title. This time the Bills demolished the Chargers twenty
Speaker 2: three to zero. Jack Kemp was named quarterback to back
Speaker 2: to back championships. In nineteen sixty five, Jack Kemp was
Speaker 2: named the American Football League's Most Valuable Player, not Buffalo's
Speaker 2: Most Valuable Player, not an All Guard game ward, the
Speaker 2: MVP of the entire AFL. He was also recognized as
Speaker 2: the outstanding player in that nineteen sixty five championship game.
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen sixty six, Kemp took Buffalo to the
Speaker 2: FL Championship game again, this time losing to the Kansas
Speaker 2: City Chiefs, so put this resume in retrospect. Trump appeared
Speaker 2: in AFL championship games in nineteen sixty, sixty one, sixty four,
Speaker 2: sixty five, and sixty six five championship appearances, two championships
Speaker 2: as the league's Most Valuable Player award in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2: This was a league that had existed for only ten
Speaker 2: seasons before completing its merger with the NFL, and Jack
Speaker 2: played quarter back at half of the championship games. My friends,
Speaker 2: it is time to put Jack F. Kemp in the
Speaker 2: Professional Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio, to preserve
Speaker 2: the history of professional football and to tell the story
Speaker 2: of one man's determination to succeed on the field of
Speaker 2: sports before he became one of the most influential congressmen
Speaker 2: and of the most influential conservatives in the Republican Party
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and early eighties. God bless
Speaker 2: my friend Jack Kemp, But if you're listening in Canton
Speaker 2: and Ohio, it's time to put him in the Football
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to the Stone Zone. Pardon me while
Speaker 2: I eat the olive out of my martini. President Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is leaving open the possibility of declaring a national
Speaker 2: security emergency over the nation's election system of Congress fails
Speaker 2: to enact the Save America Act, which would simply require
Speaker 2: photo identification and proof of citizenship for federal voting. President
Speaker 2: Trump noted that strangers things have happened when the press
Speaker 2: broached the question very intelligently, not showing his hand. In
Speaker 2: the lead up for the crucial midterm elections, the president's
Speaker 2: hysterical liberal critics have warned that such an action would
Speaker 2: exceed the president's authority because states retained constitutional responsibility for
Speaker 2: administering elections. We've seen how that's worked out with sophisticated
Speaker 2: ballot harvesting and outright ranking operations emerging in Democrats dominated
Speaker 2: slums across America. When the mainstream media tells you that
Speaker 2: there's no evidence whatsoever a voter from and it's very
Speaker 2: rare in America, they're lying. The evidence is in fact
Speaker 2: overwhelming and irrefutable, but you won't hear that on CBS
Speaker 2: or NBC or ABC or CNN. Now I don't get
Speaker 2: minus from CNN for the same reason I don't drink
Speaker 2: out of the toilet. Recent events had given President Trump
Speaker 2: grounds to call national emergency protect our elections. In New Jersey,
Speaker 2: for example, Democrat Governor Mikey Sheryl disclosed that the vehicles
Speaker 2: commissioned software ERA improperly registered roughly sixty six one hundred
Speaker 2: people who had indicated they were not US senators citizens.
Speaker 2: We found out today that number is actually eighty one hundred.
Speaker 2: Substantial number of those people voted. Federal prosecutions have also
Speaker 2: documented illegal voting. In June, three non citizens played guilty
Speaker 2: in Florida to noly voting in federal elections, while Justice
Speaker 2: Department cases in New Jersey have charged multiple non citizens
Speaker 2: with illegally registering and voting. This is just the tip
Speaker 2: of the iceberg. These episodes reinforced the case for stronger verification,
Speaker 2: accurate voter roles, and citizenship guardlines. Passing the Same of
Speaker 2: America Act is a no brainer, but Republican senators left
Speaker 2: for the summer without taking action. The fact that no
Speaker 2: Democrats will join in this passage shows that they are
Speaker 2: the party of fraud. Who could be opposed to a
Speaker 2: requirement that one be a national, a federal US citizen
Speaker 2: of the United States, and abbe photo ID in order
Speaker 2: to vote. Seems like a no brainer to me, but
Speaker 2: the case is strong for calling a national emergency. Democrats
Speaker 2: cannot be allowed to hold our entire system hostages. They
Speaker 2: wage war against our constitutional system, and as they most
Speaker 2: dependably can be proven well, they just cheat. In Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: the miscounts and County Executive David Crowley narrowly defeated Democrats
Speaker 2: socialist State Rep. Francesca Hang in Wisconsin's groom toroyal primary
Speaker 2: dealing is setback to the party's activists left in a
Speaker 2: battleground state. Crowley edged Hall, who's one of the strangest
Speaker 2: people I've ever seen based on her videos, by roughly
Speaker 2: three thousand votes and a razor thin finished, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that most bolls had given Hong the lead by
Speaker 2: over twenty points. Crowley's victory came after Governor Tony Evans
Speaker 2: and doorstep and Crowley as a Democrat's best position to
Speaker 2: win in November against Republican Tom Tiffany, a strong, incredible
Speaker 2: maggot Republican, you might really have a contest in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: I'll be watching closely and keep up with it right
Speaker 2: here in the Stone Zone. Whatever you do, don't go away,
Speaker 2: because we'll be right back.
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