WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.240 Only everyone loves my calendar, but only you get to. 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:05.240 Flip the pages. 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.560 Helendar. Oh my god, I forgot to move Carl's twelve 4 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:11.919 thirty to two point thirty. His astrologist will show up 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:12.720 at the same time. 6 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:13.919 Is this astronomer? 7 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:14.919 This is not good? 8 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:16.239 This is not good. 9 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:22.199 How about a little marge madness four finger discount? 10 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:40.840 Dude, welcome to four figure discount where this week we're 11 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:42.000 going to be getting that kid off? 12 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:46.640 Maybe I do know? What do you feel like? The 13 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:48.799 gym before it is a devil? Was not aroundano and 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:54.280 I am guy. Yes, U brace yourself for adult themes. Yeah, 15 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:55.600 this is a bit of a racy episode. 16 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:58.479 And yeah, there's a lot happening in this episode. 17 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.640 I thought there is a fair bit. Yeah, the two storylines, 18 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:03.479 and they do a nice job of sort of dubtailing 19 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.480 those two together. They sort of, yeah, they complement each 20 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.159 other quite well. We did a bit of research into this, 21 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.760 funnily enough, and one thing that came up was that 22 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.640 the Simpsons stuff often feel a little uncomfortable when it 23 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.000 comes to sort of presenting the intimacy between Homer and March. 24 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.239 Intimacy. I think it's an intimacy. What's intimacy. 25 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:23.719 Let me try that. Think. 26 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.879 Yeah, snugly moments. It's weird because I've always even though 27 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.359 they have a lot of them. Yeah, they have a 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.640 lot of snuggle moments throughout Simpsons. And I actually put 29 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:35.640 a post up recently where I feel like that is 30 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:38.400 the cornerstone of the Simpsons Golden I feel like the 31 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.599 corner stid of the Simpsons Golden. 32 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.200 You put a post up online. I'm sorry, I thought 33 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:41.959 that was a euphemism. 34 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:45.640 I put a post up saying that I feelt the 35 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.280 cornerstone of the Simpsons Golden era was the relationship between 36 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.280 Homer and March, because through all of his faults and 37 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.439 March has some faults as well, but mostly Homers, at 38 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:56.519 the end of the day, they just love each other. 39 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:58.400 And he would and you knew, you knew at the 40 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.359 end of the day he would do anything for much 41 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:01.719 as well. And a lot of the time when he 42 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.079 was doing things that felt like selfish, he wasn't deliberately 43 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.120 trying to be a jerk. It's just, you know, sometimes 44 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.680 we do things that yeah. 45 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.960 Yeah, yeah, there are certainly people who do stuff like 46 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.599 that without caring about the impacts or ramifications or anything 47 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:14.840 like that. 48 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.719 But he always learned his lesson by the end. 49 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:18.680 Yeah, but you always got the sense at home was 50 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:20.560 just doing it because of thoughtlessness or anything like that, 51 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:24.520 but he always did. When it twigged that, I was like, oh, 52 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.039 this is gonna, you know, diminish me in the eyes 53 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.759 of the woman that I love, I was like, oh God, 54 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.520 what an idiot I am. Yeah, and would mend his 55 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:34.439 ways and you know, things would be righted by the end. 56 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.639 But yeah, I think there are certain episodes in the 57 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.879 later seasons where it's like, oh, he doesn't really care 58 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:40.360 what he's doing at all, or doesn't care if it's 59 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:41.080 Marge or whatever. 60 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:41.680 That's the thing. 61 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:43.719 Yeah, But at the end of the day, their sex 62 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:48.439 life was always rocking. You know, they just love one another. Yeah, exactly. 63 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.840 It wasn't just oh, they're just because they're married to 64 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.080 having sex. It's like, no, they seem like they genuinely 65 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.039 love each other and want to have sex. Right this 66 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.759 episode here, there's a lot that I liked, there's a 67 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.520 lot that I didn't like. Right, So before we get 68 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.080 into what I didn't din't like, let's talking about the 69 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.319 tie in here. So in early November two thousand and nine, 70 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.199 this in mid November, Marge was on the cover of 71 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.719 Playboy and she was interviewed by play Playboy and she 72 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.680 had a spread. I remember it being released. I never 73 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:17.639 bother getting a copy. I was just like, it's just 74 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:19.599 March in Playboy. So I just I looked it up 75 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.960 for this episode. Can you believe they drew Marge's nipples? 76 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.680 I can't believe that. I was like, oh, they. 77 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.680 Actually went there. I was a little taken aback. But 78 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.199 what is it? Is it rule thirty four that it's 79 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:33.919 called that. It's like, you know, if there's if anything exists, 80 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:35.879 there's a there's a porno parody of it. 81 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:40.520 Okay, there's a live action Simpson's porn parody. I'm pretty sure. 82 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:43.439 Oh yeah, yeah, I think I like painted yellow and stuff. 83 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:44.879 And I was like, what's going on. I think I 84 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:46.479 came across that and then other hours. That's a wrong, 85 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:49.400 that's a bad choice of words. But yeah, I'm aware 86 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.759 that it exists, and I have no desire to watch. 87 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:52.360 Oh no. 88 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.520 But the thing is Marge being in Playboy. She was 89 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.039 interviewed and I was just like, this, that's so weird 90 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.400 to think that Marge, because we've always seen her as 91 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.639 like a mum right, I grew up. I was like, 92 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.080 I know it's just drawn, but it's still like I 93 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.560 don't need it's just felt. I felt weird looking at it. 94 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.759 It's like I shouldn't see Marjor's boom. 95 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.280 Yeah, this was a true case of milk porn. In 96 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.680 this case, milk stands for material i'd like to forget. 97 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.519 Yeah, but you were saying that you don't think it's 98 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.160 actually a nipple edited straight up a nipple. 99 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.759 I was, as is my wand playing Devil's Advocate Ding 100 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.000 ding Ding, and I was saying that these that the 101 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.199 artists here were giving themselves maybe a little bit of 102 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.120 an escape hatch because you can look you could look 103 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.519 at it. Admittedly I was looking at it on my phone. 104 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.399 It was a relatively small picture and I hadn't cleaned 105 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.120 my glasses, but it was kind of like, because I've 106 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:47.240 fold up, but you can look at that and go 107 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.279 if someone got really up and I can't believe this 108 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:54.319 is your painting in Marge Simpsons zipple. No, No, no, 109 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.920 that's that's a fold of the lingerie. You know. If 110 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:58.680 you were seeing it that way, that's on you. But no, 111 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.319 we didn't draw it that way. If you think that's 112 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.319 a nipple. That's a nipple, that's a straight nipple. I 113 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.160 think it's a nipple. I use this line all the time. 114 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.800 But the Christmas is coming up so we can talk 115 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.920 about it. But one of my favorite bits in Scrooged 116 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:16.240 the Bill Murray version of the Christmas Carollters. And they've 117 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.519 got like the solid gold dancers on there, and the 118 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.759 sensor is saying, you can't have these women on TV. 119 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.240 You can you could see her nipples through that thing. 120 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.879 Bill Murray's late, No, no, you can't, you can't. And 121 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:30.639 then you've got a couple of old guys on the 122 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.920 Old Life is on the cruiseade you can you. 123 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.439 Can hardly see them nipples see, and these. 124 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:41.800 Guys are really looking of my favorite Sorry, long way 125 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.079 to get around to that line, but I mean, look, 126 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.680 I agree with you. Yes they have been racy. They 127 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:52.199 have put Marge in a see through neg and yes 128 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.120 that's full breastage. 129 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.360 And it was the time. It actually wasn't a tie 130 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.120 with this episode and it wiped out that way. So 131 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.720 al Jie said they thought of this story long time ago, 132 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.000 and they then Playboy approached them as they can be 133 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.720 doing he tie in They're like cool, and I thought, 134 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.839 lets you use that episode now clever marketing. 135 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.439 Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean when you see an opportunity, 136 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:11.079 take it. Yes. 137 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.439 The thing is though with this episode, so the calendar, right, 138 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:17.680 it's a parody of the Devil Wears prior of with 139 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.000 their Homer story. And this is Marge Calendar girls. That 140 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:21.720 Calendar girls. 141 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.639 Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I was just looking up 142 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.279 as well, because I was wondering about the other timeline 143 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.120 on this. This is a movie that came out in 144 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.519 two thousand and three, a British movie starring Helen Mirren 145 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.399 and Julie Walters and a bevy of other shall we 146 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.959 say British actresses of a certain age, And that was 147 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.120 a bit of a trend in the early two thousands 148 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:46.639 of racy calendars with women who were not necessarily sort 149 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.800 of like blonde bombshells or anything like that, or your 150 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.319 traditional pin up girl, but you know, sort of in 151 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:54.160 suggestive posse, sexy in their own yeah, yes, but with 152 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:56.480 their Scandinavian part is what they call it scam with 153 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:00.720 their Scandinavian regions covered up. Yeah, yeah, this is a 154 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.680 bit of a play on that as well. But Marge 155 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.560 doesn't get nude for this, No, it's just suggestive. Yeah. 156 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.720 One thought was kind of them, like why is. 157 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:10.360 Everyone getting so worked up? 158 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.920 Yeah, and the fact everyone's like carrying around calendars. I 159 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.680 was like, it just seems a bit far fetched and 160 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:16.759 kind of creepy a little bit. 161 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.600 But there's undertones of creepiness in this whole episode. And look, 162 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.920 I don't want to sound too pure talic or anything 163 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:26.600 like that. I don't mind the idea of Marge and 164 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.639 the other women involved, and it seems like it's all 165 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.240 Marge in this calendar. Seems like they threw her under 166 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.160 the busy. Seems like she's every month. Yeah, I don't 167 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:36.920 mind the idea of them having like a glass of 168 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.480 one or two to sort of like loosen up. But 169 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:43.120 it seemed like, you know, Hank doing one of Jul 170 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.079 doing his Spanish accent yet again, was really playing it 171 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.920 with the Andalusian and yeah, to the point where says, oh, 172 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.240 I don't remember doing that. It's like, well, you're pretty 173 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:57.879 fucking derelict in the bud. This feels kind of, yeah, 174 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:58.680 very sketchy. 175 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:01.920 They were doing it for charity, were they not? I 176 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.000 believe I feel like they needed to emphasize that at 177 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.759 least it was going towards something, because it's just like 178 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.959 all those calendars coming out, it's like margin needed to go, well, 179 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.279 at least I've made money for something. 180 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.040 Well, that's the thing. Yeah, I mean when she is 181 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.720 celebrated for it. I mean there's that scene where where 182 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:20.759 she shows up at church and everyone's kind of like, whoa, yeah, Marge. 183 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.959 But it was just a way of getting them to 184 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.839 for Marge's sex drive to be increased because she feels sexier. 185 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.360 Well, yes, it's a pretty sex positive episode in that regard, 186 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.040 but it also did feel like it's like you could 187 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.879 have gone you could have gone about this a slightly 188 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.399 different way because some of it feels a little uneasy. 189 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:38.480 Because I feel like there was a bit of a 190 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.000 missed opportunity here because there was a scene where Nelson 191 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.679 and Milhouse and mocking Bart in the classroom, and. 192 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.720 They feel like they were mocking him. I think like 193 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.480 they were legitimately kind of like whoa, yeah. 194 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.600 I know, But but Nelson was doing it to piss 195 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.240 off Bart by the end, Yeah, I guess so, because 196 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.360 he was saying I wouldn't wasn't I know, I'd rather 197 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.000 just making puns essentially, and but Bart saying stop a stop, 198 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.120 but he keeps going, he keeps going. They needed to 199 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.159 emphasize the impact of this was having on the kids, 200 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.799 and I think they deliberately left Lisa out of this episode. Oh, 201 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.360 shouldn't Lisa have an issue with this? That's yeah, that's interesting. 202 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:14.279 They completely just ignore Lisa. She's just not in this episode. 203 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.279 Yeah, because there have been occasions when Lisa has Yeah, 204 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.399 I won't say incidents like this have exactly happened, but 205 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.559 there have certainly been incidence where Lisa had to go, Oh, look, 206 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.120 I feel bad about it for this reason, but I 207 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.799 also feel okay about it this reason. And this would 208 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.720 be a perfect opportunity for Lisa to do that kind 209 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:32.799 of thing where it's like, well, you know, this is 210 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.080 female empowerment, but at the same time, it's exploitation. 211 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.200 That's why I feel like it's a missed opportunity because 212 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.679 he could have literally had a pro like a pro 213 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.399 playboy aspect angle to it, saying yeah, these women are, 214 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.840 you know, showing their bodies, but you know they're doing it. 215 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.320 They're choosing to do this, and there's a benefit of it. 216 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:48.919 They know they're making money. For charity or that kind 217 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:51.240 of thing. So Lisa needs to go. Oh, I really don't. 218 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:52.519 I don't agree with this, but I also see the 219 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:53.440 positives of it as well. 220 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.919 Yeah, there's a great line in an episode of Cheers, 221 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.799 I think where it's like in the Kirsty Alley era, 222 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:02.480 where I think she's doing something and the answers I 223 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.759 thought you were against female exploitation goes, Yeah, well when 224 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:06.600 a man does the exploitation, when a woman does it, 225 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.200 it's good business. 226 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:11.240 Yeah, you're right. 227 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.639 I mean it does feel like they, yeah, left a 228 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.360 few storytelling and point making opportunities on the table. 229 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.519 Because they opened it up with the bart scene and 230 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.240 then just there's no follow up to it. Did they 231 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.279 follow up to what? Did she make any money did 232 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:25.639 the Yeah? 233 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.240 I don't even know what what charity they were doing 234 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:31.600 this summer, and they talked about the charity added last time. Yeah, 235 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.840 don't step on my one of my questions. But yeah, 236 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.600 I think they really talk about You're right, there's a 237 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:38.480 lot of holes in this. 238 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:41.799 Just open ended story. 239 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:44.919 Oh yeah, yeah, well what a holes but open things? 240 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:45.639 Yeah that's true. 241 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:47.600 Yeah, but you've been digging one. 242 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:51.200 As I was saying that, Marge, she in many ways. Uh, 243 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.240 she's a sexy woman, right, She's always been portrayed as sexy. 244 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.480 Right in threat the episode, she's she's weird in her 245 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.559 own way, but she's she's still sexy. She's very you know, 246 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:00.840 to get down and dirty. 247 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:01.840 He's like, weird, what do you mean? 248 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.879 Like people make fun of her hair and she's not 249 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.240 weird personality wise, but she's just normal. What would you say? 250 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.720 She's just average? Average is the right word I'm looking for. 251 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.320 She's average, but she's also you know, she's kinking when 252 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:16.960 she wants to be king Jo right, freaky, yeah, fredge freaky. 253 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:21.120 I do think it was kind of weird seeing Homer's 254 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.840 friends look at her in this way, like in the calendar, 255 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.759 it's like even like the principal skinner and charmers in 256 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.000 front of bar, and I was like, it just felt 257 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.840 kind of weird, And I felt like Marge, through all 258 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.960 the body positivity in this episode came across kind of 259 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.639 negatively because Homer, with the size story of Homoe, becomes 260 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.080 Karl's assistant, right, and he's worked like a dog like 261 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:42.759 devil West Prada, Yes, and Marg just she's got a 262 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.279 new sex driving now because she's feeling sexy. Everyone's complimenting 263 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.120 the way she looks, yadayada YadA, but she but Homas 264 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.360 just got no sex driver docu. He's tired, and Marge 265 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:54.279 gets frustrated with Homer and it's almost like she can't 266 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.679 she's ignoring the fact that he's working himself like a dog. 267 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:58.879 He doesn't want this job, but he's been threatened if 268 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:00.480 you don't do it, I'm going to fire and there's 269 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.480 no jobs elsewhere, so he has to take this job. 270 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.399 Yeah. I think it's a really interesting sort of I 271 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.279 think it's a really strong foundation for a story as well, 272 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.759 that these yeah, mismatched levels of desire, but you know, 273 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.960 each have got their own reasons for behaving the way 274 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:17.600 they do and feeling the way they do. Yeah, but 275 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.360 they never really I don't know. It feels like the 276 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.879 audience has to join a few of the dots here 277 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.000 or do a bit of the heavy lifting. 278 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.840 The one takeaway that I disliked the most from this 279 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.360 episode was the fact that Marge almost kissed Flanders right, 280 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.799 and Flanders almost kissed March. It just felt so out 281 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.919 of nowhere, especially from the Flanders perspective, because like all 282 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:39.480 of a sudden March has some water splashed on it, 283 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.080 and all of a sudden, Flanders is hot for March. 284 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.799 Yeah what, And like Flanners is wanting to throw at 285 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.080 all of his beliefs, all of his morals because March 286 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.360 is a bit of water splashed on it. I'm assuming 287 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.200 Flanders hasn't seen the calendar because that's just not who 288 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.240 he is, right Truret. And Marge was willing to kiss 289 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.159 Flanders and cheat on Homer because Homer doesn't want to 290 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.600 have sex with it, but it's not that he doesn't 291 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.120 want to, you can't. So I was just like, I 292 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.919 don't think Marge came across very well in this episode. 293 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.720 From that perspective, I was. 294 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.720 Reading a review of this episode which said, look, this 295 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.879 episode kind of knee kepts itself from the start because 296 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.639 you know that Marge's never get a cheat on home, 297 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.279 you just know it. And likewise, with Flanders, you know 298 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.519 that he's not going to do this kind of thing 299 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.759 as well, So it's really just okay, you can tell 300 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:28.440 us that this is happening, or you can show us 301 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.200 that this is happening. But it feels like sort of 302 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.519 clad cuckoo Land stuff. It feels like a fairy tale. 303 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.200 It's never really going to happen, so there's no stakes. Yeah, 304 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.440 but I wouldn't say ni Kappa from the start because 305 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:40.480 not from the start. 306 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.360 Of the story. Yeah, and it just it just it 307 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:46.559 was like the last five minutes of the episode. Yeah, 308 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.639 and they're trying to say on March she she just 309 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.039 wants to be shaded by somebody, and I was like, 310 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.639 that's just it doesn't feel like a Marge thing, you know. 311 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.600 It's just it's Marge getting frustrated because she wants to 312 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.279 have sex. It's like, but your husband's tired, and I 313 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.320 know they trying to have Homer going to Paris for businesses, 314 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.559 like he's leaving me for cars. No, he's not in job. 315 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.039 There's that scene where Marge is doing it damned to 316 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.320 seduce hom but all he can see is Carl, I 317 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.759 mean his Carl's face on her boobs. 318 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.720 And I feel sorry for March in those moments because 319 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.759 she wants to make love to her husband. He's tired. 320 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.159 Look, it's get angry at him. It's terrible when a 321 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.840 couple has that mismatched level of desire or intensity, it 322 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:28.480 happens to the best. 323 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:30.799 That's why I thought was a positive of this episode, 324 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.399 I thought, as that story in itself is so relatable, 325 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:36.159 particularly if you've been in a long relationship or a marriage, 326 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.399 because you have these moments where you're just like, I'm 327 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.240 just so tired. It's something I don't want you. I'm 328 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.320 just tired, absolutely, And part of marriage is getting through 329 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:45.639 those moments, you know, working through it. 330 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:47.639 But then you know in the later part of the 331 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:52.240 episode where marges and none but home is not around, Okay, 332 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.679 there's this unky dude next door, because you know they 333 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:57.279 play it once again, it's like, oh, yeah, it's actually jacked, 334 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.679 you know, sort of super imposed home his face onto 335 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:02.799 things or something like that. Because I don't know, I 336 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.360 think it's pivotal to the sort of like the Simpsons ethos. 337 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.200 I guess that Marge is only hot for Homer, well 338 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.799 most of the time or ninety nine percent of the time. 339 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:16.200 But she's trus she read their books and stuff he loved. Yeah, 340 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.360 she's got Yeah, she's attracted to other people in the 341 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:21.840 sense that, oh, she finds them attractive, but she doesn't. 342 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.600 Yeah, but invariably it's going to be like, oh, when 343 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.679 I'm fantasizing, I see Homer, but with like the hair 344 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.879 of Fabio or something like that, or I know, and 345 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:33.879 I think that's maybe something that they should have done. 346 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.000 Window Shopping's fine. Oh, you know, you never you never 347 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.080 believe that, Marge. I think, is this the first time 348 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.360 I've seen this is almost like a Last Temptation of Homer. 349 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.639 But Marge, right, oh yeah, but the stakes in that 350 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.799 one felt more believable, and it's like, Homer, they built 351 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:48.919 it up to that moment. This just came fucking out 352 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:50.240 of absolutely nowhere. 353 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.039 Yeah. And I mean, look, listeners and viewers of the 354 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.279 show will know my love the Last Temptation. But one 355 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:57.919 reason that really works is that, you know, Homer's feeling 356 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.759 this not irrational attraction because he's pretty hot and voiced 357 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:05.720 by Michelle Feiffer, but he feels very conflicted about it. Yeah, 358 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.639 and he does it. 359 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:07.840 That's the story of the episode. 360 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.039 Yeah, that's why it's called the Last Imptation. But I 361 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.080 mean he's all like, oh, I don't I don't want. 362 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.440 To do doing his best to do to resist it. 363 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And but. 364 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.600 This is just Marge going, oh, it's a hunk in 365 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:21.919 my kitchen now, and let's go for it. It's like 366 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.240 and it's they're slowly moving towards the kiss, and I was. 367 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:28.840 Like, no way, yeah, we're not buying it, no sale. 368 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:30.720 And Flanners to be doing it as well. I just 369 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.600 felt like then ah, and it just gets wrapped up 370 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.480 so weird where it's just I think Marge, Yeah, Marge 371 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.200 ces home is in the reflection of Ned's glassess any 372 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.200 one person I should be in strawberries with Ned goes. Yeah, 373 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.120 I've always felt the same way. I'm like, were you 374 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:44.240 just about to kiss her? 375 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:45.600 It was just weird. 376 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.679 Look, human desire is a bit of a mysterious thing. 377 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.240 But yeah, but I liked the ending in particular. I 378 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.039 thought it's one of the better endings for a long time, 379 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.879 where Homer rolls the dice and it's just he says, 380 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.279 classic love wife. I think it's classic example of to 381 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.720 use that word stick the landing, and it makes the 382 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.920 episode come across better. Yeah, sure, because there are faults 383 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:09.039 throughout this episode. But I liked the ending so much 384 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:10.599 that I went, you know, that was nice, you know, 385 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:16.480 Oh yeah, but yeah, you're a simp. He my favorite. 386 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:18.359 Did you have any favorite moments from the episode. 387 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:21.759 I did have a few, actually, when the quote unquote 388 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:27.119 charity chicks are looking at the Honky Cops calendar, just 389 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.039 love the one of Eddie. Eddie is the lollibob. Got 390 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:34.240 all these kids like, what the hell, because what he's 391 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.440 he's doing the lollibop duties. But I think he's just 392 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.799 in like briefs or yeah, why I've already used the 393 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.400 term Scandinavian regions this episode, but I think that's a 394 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.799 very good euphemism for private parts. It's right up there 395 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:49.480 with a five club's bathing suit area. 396 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:51.400 So this is the thing Marge says, they've seen my 397 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:52.640 Scandinavian regions. 398 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.880 I'm like, so was she newt No? But we know 399 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:01.160 that Marge isn't necessarily approved. Oh I think she's what's 400 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:02.839 the old saying, you know, lady in the streets freaking 401 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.400