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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>single day on your favorite podcast platform. Se Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>want a whole lot of that justice. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Mike Johnston does three O.

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<v Speaker 2>text d A N five seven seven three nine And

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<v Speaker 2>no matter where you live in America, let alone Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>this story about Mayor Mike Johnston is extraordinarily important and

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<v Speaker 2>revealing because what just happened is the mayor of Denver

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<v Speaker 2>who voluntarily accepted an invitation to appear before a House

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<v Speaker 2>committee and talk about, you know, Denver's sanctuary city status.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe clearly Denver my opinion is the sanctuary city.

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<v Speaker 2>He denies it. But that's what the hearings all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's been revealed, I'll play the story for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the story that Johnston now is going to

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<v Speaker 2>spend two million dollars at least of Denver taxpayer money

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<v Speaker 2>on a high powered Washington d C. Lawyer to counsel

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<v Speaker 2>him before this hearing. Well, let's listen to the story.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, as you listen to the story,

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<v Speaker 2>keep this in mind. According to the Denver Right, the

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<v Speaker 2>city is to be represented by Dana Remas. Now, Dana remis,

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<v Speaker 2>according to what I've read since his story, Broke is

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<v Speaker 2>former White House counsel to Joe Biden. She's Michelle Obama's

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<v Speaker 2>former attorney. So when Diamond Mike, when Diamond Mike wants

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, he goes first class, right, I mean, with

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<v Speaker 2>your money thousand bucks an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>Fire up that story, please, Ryan.

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<v Speaker 4>The city of Denver is bracing for a fight in Washington,

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<v Speaker 4>and to prepare, the mayor City council approved a two

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<v Speaker 4>million dollar contract with an elite law firm, Colvington and Burling, LLP.

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<v Speaker 4>Says they will perform services for the city at a

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<v Speaker 4>discounted rate of one thousand dollars per hour, including preparation

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<v Speaker 4>in advance of the hearing and initial work related to

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<v Speaker 4>document and review. March fifth, Mayor Mike Johnston is being

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<v Speaker 4>asked to go to DC to defend Denver's immigration policies

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<v Speaker 4>by the US House Committee on Government Reform. City policies

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<v Speaker 4>that were adopted back in twenty sixteen under then Mayor

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Hancock. Council members approved the funding in a block

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<v Speaker 4>vote along with other bills last night. The only council

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<v Speaker 4>member to comment was Sarah Parity. She spoke about the

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<v Speaker 4>possible need to expand support of the Denver Immigrant Legal

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<v Speaker 4>Services Fund really.

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<v Speaker 5>For reasons that are at their heart similar to why

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<v Speaker 5>we're approving this legal bill for this DC law firm today,

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<v Speaker 5>which is that we're going to continue to defend our

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<v Speaker 5>entirely legal local policies, not to do the dirty work

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<v Speaker 5>of deportation for the federal government, and not to ignore

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<v Speaker 5>the overarching international human rights law that says that when

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<v Speaker 5>people are fleeing really of bysmal circumstances, they have a

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<v Speaker 5>right to claim asylum.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of the contract between the law firm and the

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<v Speaker 4>city states quote, the parties mutually agree that investigative activity

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<v Speaker 4>is likely to continue following this hearing, and that City

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<v Speaker 4>Council may be asked to approve war funding beyond the

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<v Speaker 4>two million dollars already.

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<v Speaker 2>Approvedad question, there wait a second, So they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>peddle this.

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<v Speaker 3>The City's trying to pedal.

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<v Speaker 2>This to us as two million dollars of DC attorney

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<v Speaker 2>time to prepare Mike Johnston for this hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>When's this hearing in two years?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was March fifth. I mean, let me

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<v Speaker 2>look at my calendar and do a little math here.

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<v Speaker 2>So they think people are stupid enough to accept that

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<v Speaker 2>it's two million dollars, which is what two thousand hours

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<v Speaker 2>of attorney time between in the next.

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<v Speaker 3>Couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a break, right, I mean here, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston the best advice he can get, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give it for free right now. Rather than spend two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars of precious Denver taxpayer money, two million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>that could go to nine to one one so that

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<v Speaker 2>when people call they don't get a recording, save that

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<v Speaker 2>two million dollars. Here's the advice. Don't go to the hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not under subpoena. The hearing's optional. Why is Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Johnston even going to this hearing?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So, you're gonna spend two million dollars at Denver taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>money so that he can go to a hearing he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to go to. Now, Don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really looking forward to it. I had Congressman gave

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<v Speaker 2>Evans on he's on the committee or no, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>being allowed to drop into the committee. Congressman Bobert's on

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<v Speaker 2>the committee. I can't wait for this questioning. But don't

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<v Speaker 2>fall for a second for this idea that they're spending

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<v Speaker 2>two million dollars of Denver taxpayer money to prepare him

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<v Speaker 2>for this hearing. No, they're spending two million dollars as

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<v Speaker 2>a starter because he must believe he is in crimin

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<v Speaker 2>old jeopardy. That's why they're spending the money. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he committed a crime or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's in the course of committing crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I talk about that, I'm narrowing this obviously

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<v Speaker 2>to immigration law related crimes. I don't have any reason

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<v Speaker 2>know whether he's committed these crimes. All I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>he must be concerned that he may have to be

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<v Speaker 2>taking this step spending millions in Denver taxpayer money to

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<v Speaker 2>bring in Joe Biden's former attorney to prepare him for

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<v Speaker 2>this hearing. And I put that in quotes because I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he's really bringing them in to help protect him

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<v Speaker 2>against criminal exposure.

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<v Speaker 3>So wow, And I know.

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<v Speaker 2>What you may be thinking, which would be right, which is, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you think Mike Johnston cares about two million or five

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<v Speaker 2>or ten million of Denver taxpayer money. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he does. But I do think he cares about

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<v Speaker 2>these kind of headlines. And I think he cares about

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<v Speaker 2>the political fallout of this, because, as I've been saying

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, I absolutely believe he's been running

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<v Speaker 2>for governor since before he was running for mayor, while

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<v Speaker 2>he was running for mayor, while he's serving for mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>So he knows stories like this are not good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think he goes there. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he takes two million dollars of Denver taxpayer money to

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<v Speaker 2>hire Joe Biden's lawyer to advise him, unless he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>he has some real exposure, And we'll find out together

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<v Speaker 2>whether he does or not. But Ryan, I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is an extraordinarily important story. Yes, and they talk about

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in the agreement right that there's more likely

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<v Speaker 2>to come, which I think just confirms this money has

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<v Speaker 2>very little to do with the hearing and it has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with the bigger issue of is he criminally exposed?

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<v Speaker 6>It has to be that, Dan, because you look, you

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<v Speaker 6>try to unpack this right as to why would he

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<v Speaker 6>need two million dollars of this level of legal preparation

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<v Speaker 6>for testimony before Congress? As the story points out, that's voluntary,

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<v Speaker 6>it's optional. He was not subpoena to testify a m

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<v Speaker 6>I get to that step, but it hasn't yet. So

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<v Speaker 6>you have to connect those dots like you just did, Dan, Like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>what explains this? Why did they have to go to

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<v Speaker 7>Your explanation is the only one that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we talk about the two million bucks because

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<v Speaker 2>that's sexy, but we should be talking about the two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand hours because lawyers this good, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very good law firm, and a lawyer this good, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's former White House counsel, Michelle Obama's former lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyers this good don't need two thousand hours to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out whether Mike Johnston has violated the law or not.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably already know that. So when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand hours, I think it has.

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<v Speaker 3>Very little to do with this hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they'll do some prep for the hearing, but

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<v Speaker 2>prep along the lines of, hey, if you have criminal exposure,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what you need to be real careful about in

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<v Speaker 2>this hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I think this is all about all about.

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<v Speaker 2>A concern that he has criminal exposure and expecting expecting

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<v Speaker 2>this administration to take action.

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<v Speaker 3>That That's what this signals to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Three or three someone three eight two five five text

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<v Speaker 2>d An five seven seven three nine. Again, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if he's committed a crime or not. All I

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<v Speaker 2>can say is he must be worried that he has. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to Adam and Severance. Here on the Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Kaplis show.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey Dan, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I am living the dream, my friend. How about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 8>Just the same. I got to say, though, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 8>I live in Severance, but still just hearing about this

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<v Speaker 8>Mike Johnson thing is just insane. I was looking at

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<v Speaker 8>your numbers, and that's eighty three days of straight working

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<v Speaker 8>around the clock for that lawyer, and then on top

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<v Speaker 8>of that break that down to an eight hour day.

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<v Speaker 8>That's two hundred and fifty days worth of work, and

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<v Speaker 8>then to the whole safety of Benburg. That place is

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<v Speaker 8>a is a absolute death trapping mark. The average salary

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<v Speaker 8>for a starting officer is eighty thousand dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 8>That pays for twenty five new officers on the streets

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<v Speaker 8>making sure people will get their next cut on sixteenth

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<v Speaker 8>Street the mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, very interesting and thank you for making

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<v Speaker 2>the important point about the number of hours for this attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the way a great firm quote.

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<v Speaker 6>It seems like we lost Dan there just a moment.

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<v Speaker 6>He is remote today and we're warned about this. Ryan

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<v Speaker 6>shiling with you. We'll take a quick time out, we'll

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<v Speaker 6>come back with Dan. It's a good time for a

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<v Speaker 6>break here in the Dan Campus Show.

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<v Speaker 7>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>The city of Denver is bracing for a fight in Washington,

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<v Speaker 4>and to prepare, the mayor City Council approved a two

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<v Speaker 4>million dollar contract with an elite law firm, Colvington and Burling, LLP.

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<v Speaker 4>Says they will perform services for the city at a

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<v Speaker 4>discounted rate of one thousand dollars per hour, including preparation

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<v Speaker 4>and advance of the hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>It.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, ran I think this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most important and revealing stories in a long time in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is important to people all over the country,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly in our state because what this tells me,

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<v Speaker 2>my constitutionally protected opinion, is that this two thousand hours of.

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<v Speaker 3>High powered attorney time.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Denver Right, the lawyer Mike Johnson hired

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<v Speaker 2>with your money if you live in Denver.

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<v Speaker 3>The lawyer they hired is Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's former White House counsel, Dana Remus, who was also

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Obama's lawyer. Now, we got a lot of great lawyers,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great criminal lawyers, a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>government lawyers in Denver, but he has to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's former White House council. What kind of trouble

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<v Speaker 2>do you think he's in. I mean, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>he's violated any laws. I don't know if he has

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<v Speaker 2>or not. But when you go beyond Denver, with all

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<v Speaker 2>the political fallout of story like this causes, and you

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<v Speaker 2>hire a high powered lawyer like that, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>message to people is going to be you think you're

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<v Speaker 2>in big trouble. And anybody thinks these two thousand hours

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<v Speaker 2>are for this hearing, please think again. I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 2>will be hearing prep. But I think this is about

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<v Speaker 2>him a long time ago, has, And that's based on

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<v Speaker 2>not a conclusion he's committed crimes, but him coming out

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<v Speaker 2>and saying that, oh yeah, use Denver police to stop

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<v Speaker 2>federal law enforcement at the county line and wanting people

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<v Speaker 2>in the streets like Tieneman Square against our own brothers

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<v Speaker 2>and sisters, our own federal law enforcement. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>label him lawless Mike. But now that he's spending two

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<v Speaker 2>issues out there now. Adam had called just before the breaking,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully not. But Adam, thank you for staying and you

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<v Speaker 2>had this good point you were making before the break

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<v Speaker 2>you were saying, Hey, this former White House Council, that

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<v Speaker 3>My belief, Adam, is.

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<v Speaker 2>That there will likely be a very big team of

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you you may have three five lawyers all

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<v Speaker 2>working round the clock between now and the hearing try

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<v Speaker 2>to prepare Diamond Mike. But then the question is sure why.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a hearing that's optional. He's not subpointed.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of mine, Steve, texted and said, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants the National Spade Stage, National spotlight, and Denver

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayers can put the bill to get him prepared. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt he wants that, and he knows

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<v Speaker 2>he can manipulate that forum because there's no real chance

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<v Speaker 8>Well, and I think you hit the nail on the head.

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<v Speaker 8>He thinks there's something else going on there, and the

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<v Speaker 8>fact that he's going to go for that kind of

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<v Speaker 8>money that says everything I need to know about it

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<v Speaker 8>in my personal, humble opinion. But more so, I just

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<v Speaker 8>want to point out that he's going and wasting that

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<v Speaker 8>kind of the Denver people's money when the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>Are so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 8>There there's yeah, rampant homelessness, there's people being murdered on

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<v Speaker 8>sixties Street Mall. I won't bring my children down there,

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<v Speaker 8>let alone my wife. And here he is dumping millions

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<v Speaker 8>of dollars into something that seems frankly frivolous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Adam, thank you for your call and for your points.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've talked about in many different context on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the evidence is overwhelming that Mike Johnston just

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't care that much about most people in Denver. He

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<v Speaker 2>cares about Mike Johnston. And so I think we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>that on display. I mean, one of the most recent examples,

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<v Speaker 2>after the horrific spree stabbings on the mall, including the

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<v Speaker 2>flight attendant having her throat slit and dying in our street,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes down to almost the very spot where those

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<v Speaker 2>bodies dropped to essentially declare victory the next night and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how much safer Denver is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mike Johnston, I think, is concerned about Mike Johnston,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'll spend as much of your money as he

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<v Speaker 2>has to on the very best lawyer he can find,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's former lawyer, to make sure that if he

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<v Speaker 2>has criminal exposure, he's protect eight five five. Where's your

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, let's go to Brian and Arvada. You're on the

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<v Speaker 3>Dane Kaplis Show.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, Dan, how's it going tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm living the dream, my friend. How about you?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I'm gonna come at a different angle. This is

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<v Speaker 8>just a last attempt for their You know, we know

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<v Speaker 8>there's been laundering money. Okay, everybody in government. Mike Johnson's

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<v Speaker 8>doing it. Come on, two million dollars for lawyers. Come on,

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<v Speaker 8>he's getting a kickback. It's you know, they're all sucking

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<v Speaker 8>at the Trump because they know they know what's going

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<v Speaker 8>to dry up pretty soon. It has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 8>with he needs protection, this, that, and the other. It's

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<v Speaker 8>him taking care of his buddies, and that's what we're

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<v Speaker 8>all sick of.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me understand the accusation you're making, because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with it. Your accusation is that he is paying

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<v Speaker 2>this money to the law firm so he can personally

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<v Speaker 2>get a kickback of some of that money.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 8>There's two million dollar dollars to go. Dan, We got

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<v Speaker 8>to think about this logically.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, we know.

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<v Speaker 8>What they've been doing. I mean we see doeys, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>And this is the best argument you could ever have

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<v Speaker 8>for having nothing but a consumer tax. We're all getting scammed.

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<v Speaker 8>They got a book that's like the Harry Potter series,

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<v Speaker 8>that's your tax code, and they expect you to comply

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<v Speaker 8>to them. But yet they're supposed to represent us, that

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<v Speaker 8>we're supposed to be their boss. A scam just keeps

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<v Speaker 8>going and going. Brian's got interrupt as much money as

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<v Speaker 8>they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't mean to be rude.

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<v Speaker 2>Got interrupt for one second because you're just one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent wrong when you say that the play here is

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<v Speaker 2>for Johnston to get some of this two million back.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero chance of that that there's no corruption here. The

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<v Speaker 2>law firm is not funneling money back.

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<v Speaker 3>To Johns Democrat.

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<v Speaker 8>They're Democrat lawyers. They're looking for cash. They know that

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<v Speaker 8>he's going to draw up my brother wandering scheme.

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<v Speaker 2>Briant, you're so full of crap. No, I put him

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<v Speaker 2>on pause for a second. Okay, he is so full

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<v Speaker 2>of crap on this, and I enjoy his calls. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. These lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>This law firm has people lined up across the globe

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<v Speaker 2>to hire them.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't need Mike Johnston's money.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston needs them, so that's just garbage. Listen, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big story. This really matters. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>means Mike Johnston believes he has criminal exposure, whether he

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<v Speaker 2>committed a crime or not. Don't go down some stupid

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<v Speaker 2>ass rabbit hole like that. What is he thinking? See

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<v Speaker 2>this for what it is. Mike Johnston is willing to

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<v Speaker 2>spend an awful lot of taxpayer money to protect Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Johnston and he thinks he has criminal exposure. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's mike constitutionally protected opinion. But what is that nonsense?

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<v Speaker 2>We just heard Ryan.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean you pretty much nipped it in the

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<v Speaker 6>bud right there. This is not a law firm that's

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<v Speaker 6>like better call.

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<v Speaker 3>Saul or something. No, no, no, no, no, this.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm sorry, but calls like that infuriate me because listen,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston, he hurts Denver in lots of ways, and

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<v Speaker 2>we call him out on lots of bands stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>He does, But don't make up crazy garbage like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, John Kellner, former DA in a repo and my

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<v Speaker 2>love partner, I'm proud to say after the break and

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<v Speaker 2>a very important piece, he wrote, you're on the Dan

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<v Speaker 2>Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 6>You're listening to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast. I think

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<v Speaker 6>I know where I'm gonna go real turning, but nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Chris Berman says, we're all day to day they

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<v Speaker 3>sort the vote of.

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<v Speaker 2>Confidence, saying no Bert Ryan and I were talking during

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<v Speaker 2>the break. I have this cabin that I go up

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<v Speaker 2>to and hide away in for long stretches.

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<v Speaker 3>When I'm preparing for trial. And I'm up here now

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<v Speaker 3>and in one of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those phases, so going to come out maybe with a

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, we're in a driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Snowstorm up here, so I don't know how much the

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<v Speaker 2>front range is going to get out of this. But hey,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope I wasn't too rough on that last caller,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's not like me, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like me to use bad language. But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>great gifts my mom gave me. Anything good about me

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<v Speaker 2>comes to my mom and dad. Anything bad, that's all

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<v Speaker 2>on me. But man, She gave me this strong sense

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<v Speaker 2>of justice and right and wrong. And you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Mayor Johnston is a terrible mayor for Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's done a lot of terrible things.

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<v Speaker 2>But when the last caller starts accusing him of financial

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<v Speaker 2>corruption total bs allegation just ticks me off. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like the guy he's falsely accusing, it ticks

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<v Speaker 3>But we'll get back to that whole story. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>big one too.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston now spending a couple of million bucks a

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer money for starters on Joe Biden's former lawyer to

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<v Speaker 2>prepare him for the upcoming hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it's about much more than that. Hey.

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<v Speaker 3>In the meantime, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Important piece don and published in the gazette over the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend by John Kellner, the former DA in the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 2>and now very happy to say, John and I practice

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<v Speaker 2>law together. He's the managing partner of our firm. But

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<v Speaker 2>the piece is really important, I think to you, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's something you're not hearing much about, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see if John had join us and.

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<v Speaker 3>Kick that around a little bit. Hey, John, welcome back

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<v Speaker 3>to the show.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks Dan, always a pleasure to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody back there, Glad. I'm up at the cabin

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<v Speaker 2>growing a beard.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you know how it is when you're away and

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<v Speaker 9>everything kind of goes a little crazy. But I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure. I'm sure you are.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had no idea that what you wrote about

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<v Speaker 2>was going on, and it's infuriating. So if you would

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<v Speaker 2>tell folks about it and then tell them where they

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<v Speaker 9>Piece, Yeah, Well, thanks again for having me on. And

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I ended my term as District Attorney a

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<v Speaker 9>little over a month ago and then joined your firm

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<v Speaker 9>as a managing partner and kind of thought I'd be

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<v Speaker 9>blissfully unaware of what was happening at the Capitol because

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<v Speaker 9>as the DA, you know, I was hyper focused on

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<v Speaker 9>what sort of nonsense might be coming down from under

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<v Speaker 9>the Gold Dome. What is the governor going to sign

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<v Speaker 9>that's going to make our jobs as prosecutors more difficult,

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<v Speaker 9>what's going to make our communities less safe? And I

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<v Speaker 9>thought maybe i'd put that behind me, but I just

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<v Speaker 9>couldn't resist. So I kind of looked in at the

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<v Speaker 9>quarter pole Mark here. You know, we're a quarter of

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<v Speaker 9>the way into the legislative session, and I was curious

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<v Speaker 9>where do things stand from a public safety perspective, because

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<v Speaker 9>as your listeners, I'm sure know they're smart, they're well informed.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, we're ranked number three in the country as

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<v Speaker 9>the least safe, most dangerous, you know state out there

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<v Speaker 9>by the US News and World Report, which is a

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<v Speaker 9>crazy thing to have. You know, we've got national gangs

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<v Speaker 9>like trender Agua trying to put down roots in our state.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, we've got people of stabbing folks on Sixteenth

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<v Speaker 9>Street Mall. There's just a lot that's going wrong. So

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<v Speaker 9>I figure with Polis always saying that, hey, we want

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<v Speaker 9>to be a tuck ten state to state that public

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<v Speaker 9>safety has got to be at the forefront of any

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<v Speaker 9>sort of legislative agenda. So I look on the the

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<v Speaker 9>website starts seeing, you know, one of the many hundreds

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<v Speaker 9>of bills that have been introduced so far the Sledge

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<v Speaker 9>Safe session, and I got to tell you it's it's

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<v Speaker 9>almost worse than you would expect when it comes to

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<v Speaker 9>public safety. We've got a bill that was recently introduced.

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<v Speaker 9>It's House built twenty five to twelve over six I

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<v Speaker 9>wrote about it my piece. This is a bill that

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<v Speaker 9>would make it a classified felony for one of these

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<v Speaker 9>would be mass murderers. Think Club Q shooting, King Supers massacre,

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<v Speaker 9>the Aroar Theater shooting which happened in my judicial district

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<v Speaker 9>in the eighteenth Every person that that would be killer,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, shot at but missed. We charge them right

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<v Speaker 9>now with attempted extreme indifference, first degree murder, and that

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<v Speaker 9>adds a significant penalty when they get sentenced, up to

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<v Speaker 9>forty eight years for each instance of that. This is

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<v Speaker 9>a bill which again makes no sense whatsoever, but reduces

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<v Speaker 9>that penalty by about eighty three percent and makes it

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<v Speaker 9>something around two to a maximum of eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it'll be the warning at John, And why would

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<v Speaker 2>they do it?

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<v Speaker 9>It makes no sense whatsoever. It literally rewards the worst

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<v Speaker 9>of the worst in our society for being bad shots.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, thankfully right that they don't kill all

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<v Speaker 9>these people they intend to, but for the sake of deterrence,

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<v Speaker 9>and any sane society is going to say we throw

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<v Speaker 9>the book at people like that. We lock them up

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<v Speaker 9>for pretty much forever, if not for the rest of

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<v Speaker 9>their natural lives. Since we don't have a death penalty

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<v Speaker 9>in the state of Colorado anymore. But that's just one.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, that's cruising through right now, Dan, We've got

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<v Speaker 9>some other things going on where you've got rampant retail

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<v Speaker 9>theft in our state. And I'm sure all of your

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<v Speaker 9>listeners have seen these videos of people on social media

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<v Speaker 9>just loading up something at King Sooper is a cart

466
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<v Speaker 9>going into a store just walking out. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 9>almost no intervention, right, and nobody wants to go viral

468
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<v Speaker 9>for the wrong reasons of trying to apprehend these folks,

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<v Speaker 9>and a lot of corporate entities are saying, we don't

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<v Speaker 9>want you to intervene, but that's causing the cost of

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<v Speaker 9>goods to go up for all of us law abiding citizens. Right.

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<v Speaker 9>We flipped the bill for people who do this sort

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<v Speaker 9>of rampant shop lifting. So a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 9>Government Polis signed a law that made it a petty offense,

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<v Speaker 9>so basically maximum jail sentence of ten days and most

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<v Speaker 9>likely fine as the outcome if you steal three hundred

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<v Speaker 9>dollars or under and it's still misdemeanor minds you for

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<v Speaker 9>stealing up to two thousand dollars, But we see it

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<v Speaker 9>in municipalities like Aurora, dan saying, hey, we've had enough

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<v Speaker 9>of this. We think we can do better to protect

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<v Speaker 9>our citizens and protect our businesses. So they passed city

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<v Speaker 9>ordinances that say, look, if you steal in the city

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<v Speaker 9>of Aurora, that's going to be a mandatory minimum jail

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<v Speaker 9>sense of three days. If you do it a second time,

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<v Speaker 9>you're looking at a mandatory minimum of forty five days.

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<v Speaker 9>So we got a new bill out there, brought by

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<v Speaker 9>some Democrats in the legislature House built twenty five eleven

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<v Speaker 9>forty seven that says, you know what, municipal courts, like

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<v Speaker 9>in Aurora and other places across the state cannot have

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<v Speaker 9>tougher sentences then they have legislated under the state capital

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<v Speaker 9>cannot have situations where they have mandatory penalties, but the

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<v Speaker 9>state does not. So Aurora's efforts to deter, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>retail theft, to make sure that they don't lose box

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<v Speaker 9>stores that hold communities together, groceries, pharmacists like Walgreens, forget

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<v Speaker 9>about that. That's going out the window. If this thing passes.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not even trying to hide the pro criminal thing anymore.

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<v Speaker 9>It doesn't make any sense to me because I think

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<v Speaker 9>every legislature, legislator gets five bills to sort of buy

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<v Speaker 9>right to put forward. And for the life of me,

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<v Speaker 9>I just don't understand who is clamoring for some of

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<v Speaker 9>these things, because I don't think it's a big group.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's probably not a Colorado group.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is it's uber big money on the left

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<v Speaker 2>that just wants all this crazy far left stuff. But John,

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<v Speaker 2>your piece, I know breaks down. I've read it, breaks

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<v Speaker 2>it down in great detail. That's in the gazette. But

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<v Speaker 2>folks can find it on our website as well. John

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<v Speaker 2>and I practicing law together now, Johnson managing partner of

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<v Speaker 2>our firm, and you can find that Dan Capitalist Law,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in the blog post under the about us section.

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<v Speaker 2>So Dan Caplis Law about us, go to the blog post.

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<v Speaker 3>John.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you wrote the piece because I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>any of that garbage was going on, and people need

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<v Speaker 2>to know it if we're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>stop it.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, there's so much going on in the capital that

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<v Speaker 9>gets a lot of attention. I know, there's a big fight,

519
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<v Speaker 9>you know, when it comes to some automatic weapons and

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<v Speaker 9>gun grabbing bills and things like that, and that's getting

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<v Speaker 9>so much of the press. But while that's happening, a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of other things that are going to make us

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<v Speaker 9>less safe and farther from our actual goal of being

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<v Speaker 9>a top ten save the state. That's a flyine of

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<v Speaker 9>the radar right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and let's get you on a bunch to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I know that mattered a lot to you.

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<v Speaker 2>His da and you were all over that. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep people up on this and maybe if there's some

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<v Speaker 2>hope they can pressure poll listen to some vetos though.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll find out together so that piece you can see it.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan caplis Law in the blog post section and also

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<v Speaker 2>Denver Gazette. Hey appreciate the time. Stay safe and warm

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<v Speaker 2>down there, you ks. Thanks man Cia. That is John Kellner,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been saying for years, long before he obviously

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<v Speaker 2>just came to work for us with me. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>working for anybody except our clients. John is our managing

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<v Speaker 2>partner and he is the future. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>trying cases with him for the next ten or twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>But he is the future.

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<v Speaker 2>He is an elite talent and a great guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>To be able to go try cases with him.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, big story out of Denver Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnston spending to start with two million dollars of

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer money on Joe Biden's former attorney. How much trouble

547
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<v Speaker 2>do you think Johnston believes he's in and is he

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<v Speaker 2>You're on the Dan Caplis Show.

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<v Speaker 7>And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow what a day.

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<v Speaker 2>First, we started the show with a courageous woman, Heather McCormick,

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<v Speaker 2>who is telling the story on behalf of the family

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<v Speaker 2>of this horrific circumstance has described at Columbine where according

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<v Speaker 2>to the story, you had a top administrator and others

555
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<v Speaker 2>get together to help declare a student homeless who actually

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<v Speaker 2>had a home, and then that student ends up getting

557
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<v Speaker 2>estrange from her parents and from everything I can see,

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<v Speaker 2>no fault to the parents, and then moving away with

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<v Speaker 2>a teacher who had texted her twenty thousand times according

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<v Speaker 2>to the story. So very important story. We'll continue to

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<v Speaker 2>follow it. George Brockler joined us on that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one of the most important stories in years

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<v Speaker 2>I think on the political scene this coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>Denver that Denversity Council has approved two million dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>hire a DC law firm to advise Mayor Mike Johnston

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<v Speaker 2>prior to his appearance before Congress in a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand hours of attorney time from top attorneys at

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand bucks an hour, and raising the very real

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<v Speaker 2>question what kind of trouble does Mayor Johnston think he's in?

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<v Speaker 2>Because really, does anybody buy that he's getting two million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of advice just on how to testify at

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<v Speaker 2>a hearing where any idiot and he's no idiot. He

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<v Speaker 2>does a lot of crazy things in my opinion, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's no idiot. Any idiot could get through that hearing

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<v Speaker 2>unscathed just by filibustering because there's no judge. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>judge to order you to answer a question or hold

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<v Speaker 2>you in contempt. So he's just going to preen before

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<v Speaker 2>the national cameras. And so, so, yeah, what is this

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<v Speaker 2>two million dollars and more really for? Because these are

580
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<v Speaker 2>big time lawyers. This is Michelle Obama's formal lawyer, this

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<v Speaker 2>is Joe Biden's former White House counsel. So does Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Johnston think he's in big trouble? Potentially criminally on this

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<v Speaker 2>immigration business.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taking the downsides of this kind of story unless

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks he needs an awful lot of protection. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's committed any crimes or not

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<v Speaker 2>presumed innocent, But this is a lot of taxpayer money

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<v Speaker 2>to be spending on DC lawyers. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of great criminal lawyers in Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great government lawyers in Denver. So to

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<v Speaker 2>go right to Joe Biden's former White House counsel tells me.

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<v Speaker 2>The way I take it is he thinks he's potentially

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<v Speaker 2>in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>New bills go light on criminals and heart on law

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<v Speaker 2>abiding citizens. Restricting gun rights SB twenty four three, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going the opposite way of safety.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy, that is so true. My law partner, John Kellner.

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<v Speaker 2>Just joined us, a former DA in the twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 2>has a great new piece that details bill's going through

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<v Speaker 2>the legislature that will make you less safe and profound ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So check that out. You can read his piece either

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<v Speaker 2>on the gazette or through our website. Dan Kaplis's Law

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<v Speaker 2>at the blog post Dan. When you're called to d

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<v Speaker 2>C by the House or Senate. As with the FBI,

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<v Speaker 2>it's best to have a DC lawyer as a Colorado resident.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't appreciate his use of city funds to cover

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<v Speaker 2>his you know what they're Wait a second, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>called a DC by the House or Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was invited. It's optional. He doesn't even have

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<v Speaker 3>to go.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going because he knows this will be easy for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He will get a lot of national attention. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>he craves as he runs for higher office. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>going for his own reasons. If he was walking into

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<v Speaker 2>a courtroom to be cross examined by me or any

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<v Speaker 2>good attorney, yeah, he'd need lawyers, and he'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>be very worried because there there's a judge to order

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<v Speaker 2>and answer questions, etc. Truly, any idiot could skate through

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<v Speaker 2>one of these DC hearings, and that's no reflection on

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<v Speaker 2>the good people who'll be questioning him. Gabe Evans will

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<v Speaker 2>do a great job within the limits of the process.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so will everybody else who questions him, including

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<v Speaker 2>Congressoman Bobert. But it's a very limited process. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>my own personal belief is that all of these millions

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<v Speaker 2>to advise Mayor Johnston have very little to do with

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<v Speaker 2>that hearing. I think it has to do with his

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<v Speaker 2>concerns that prosecution may be coming, and his concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>whether what he's done in the past and what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing right now may violate federal law. Again, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying he's violating federal law or committing any crimes, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he has concerns about criminal exposure. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I personally believe is going on here.

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<v Speaker 8>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Mike Johnston's money, it's taxpayer's money. Johnston and

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<v Speaker 2>the city Council are not good stewards of taxpayer money.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's any breaking news.

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<v Speaker 2>There, my friend, Dan, if my calculations are corrects, as

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<v Speaker 2>a Texter, two million for testimony prep over the next

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<v Speaker 2>eight days would require ten lawyers working twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on that, Texter. I think this money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this money has far more to do with this.

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<v Speaker 2>What Johnston is concerned is a coming battle with the

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<v Speaker 2>administration over again. The administration has made it clear if

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<v Speaker 2>they think somebody is breaking federal law, interfering with efforts

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<v Speaker 2>to enforce the immigration laws of this country, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to seek prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know whether he has broken federal law. I

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<v Speaker 3>just know he's spending a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of taxpayer money right now to get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good legal advice. Thank you, Ryan Kelly join us tomorrow, please,