1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,199 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsiko's i'man family coming at you with 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880 the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous Grant Hughes. We 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,399 are here. We are gathered here today to celebrate and 4 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:19,920 also mourn the end of the Hardwood Knocks NBA Trade 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,280 Deadline Primer series. The Dallas Mavericks are the final team 6 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:25,640 we did all. We actually did more than thirty podcasts 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,120 because of teams that needed to refresh post injuries and trades. 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Go check those out across all platforms. There's a playlist 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,920 on YouTube as well. Subscribe if you haven't already join 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,119 our discords link to that's in the podcast and YouTube description. Grant. 11 00:00:38,359 --> 00:00:41,000 Before we dive into the Dallas Mavericks trade deadline vitals, 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,520 how sad are you right now? 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you don't. You don't seem 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,359 particularly mournful about this being the end of the Deadline primers. 15 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I love this stuff. I'm tired, this is this was 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,159 a lot. This was a lot. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: I'm tired. I did like half of them. I don't 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,240 know how. You don't know how you did all of them? 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: Well, the Mavericks Grant chars. I guess there are semi 20 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:07,200 interesting team. I don't know, do you want to take 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,040 us through their trade deadline vitals? 22 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,079 Speaker 2: Though, would have been a little more interesting if Anthony 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,680 Davis said not bunked his hand. 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: I have some questions about that, by the way, but 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,560 let's go through the trade dead my vitals. 26 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: We'll get to them. You're gonna just are you gonna 27 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:21,760 just ask them? Is that I'm just asking? 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,519 Speaker 1: I'm just asking questions. Man. 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,359 Speaker 2: So Dallas at the moment, about one point two million 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,280 below the second apron. They're seventeen million into the tax. 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,359 They're currently slated to be fifteen and a half million 32 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:34,760 into the tacks for twenty six twenty seven. That's four 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,159 point six below the second apron. Again, talking about twenty 34 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,519 six twenty seven, we have put our heads together and 35 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:43,799 it does appear that if D'Angelo Russell picks up his 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,319 player option that will put them into the second apron. 37 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: That s which is just hilarious, But that's. 38 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:54,519 Speaker 2: D'Angelo Russell, real power broker right now, can really make 39 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:57,840 some decisions that affect the marriage future. They do have 40 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,000 their own first rounder this year. They do not, however, 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,200 control their first rounder again until twenty thirty one, so 42 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:05,719 they can trade twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two, 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,960 should they so desire. They also only have two seconds, 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,759 so rough draft pick situation. Uh, they own the Lakers 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,960 twenty twenty nine first, Not sure how they got that 46 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,159 one that's unprotected. Seems like there should be a few 47 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:19,560 more of those, but there aren't a couple of notable 48 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:24,479 trade exceptions, like is there statute of limitations on? Just 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,719 take talking shit about the Luca trade? Should we stop? Should? 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:29,919 Should we decide? 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Right now? I just feel horrible for MAVs fans so 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,680 and Nico's not there anymore, so we're just talking shit 53 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:37,919 to Dumont, which I guess is so all of our 54 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:41,360 ire is directed at Patrick Dumont. Now, MAVs fans just 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,879 letting letting you know, flat out perfect. 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: A couple trade exceptions eleven million for Maxi Kliba that expires? 57 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:50,439 Oh man, is that too? Is that date? Right? Is that? 58 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Does that expire? Probably when you're gonna listen to this 59 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,080 two two twenty six. 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,199 Speaker 1: The MAVs might make a move by February second. 61 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: Clock's ticking. Four point three million dollars for the Quinn 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,120 Grimes that expires the day before the trade deadline. Do 63 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:07,639 you want to talk about Anthony Davis. Let's let's get 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:08,599 into him. 65 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: So what is the what to you? What should they accept? 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,360 Like what does it take to move Anthony Davis? But 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,280 I do want to add a leg to that question 68 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,479 and ask there was the report that he was gonna 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,919 need surgery and potentially and then all of a sudden 70 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,759 he didn't. If you're a team, I understand they're gonna 71 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:30,639 have access to medicals, but I would be unless you're 72 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,919 planning on doing what the Raptors did with Brandon Ingram 73 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,159 last year was we don't want him to play anyway. 74 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,520 But if you're a team that needs Anthony Davis to play, 75 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:42,159 I'm sorry that initial shops report has me scared shitless. 76 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: As does his entire recent history, like healthwise, right, Like 77 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,599 I think maybe maybe the calendar would be like, well, 78 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,080 how much does that change your overall assessment of Anthony 79 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,879 Davis just because it is now an absolute given that 80 00:03:56,919 --> 00:04:00,439 he will miss significant time And you can't even endpoint 81 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,560 like what part of the body will cause that time 82 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:06,560 to be missed, because it's just like it's it's everything 83 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:07,520 And have we. 84 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:09,479 Speaker 1: Ever seen have we ever seen anyone like this to 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,319 where his chronic injury is are injuries themselves. It's not 86 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,800 like the same injuries over. 87 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: Well when you've read too and seen if you like 88 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:21,439 when he was playing like he's he's a little heavier 89 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,519 and and and that might that's one, it's not helping 90 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,000 avoid injury. And two it's like, yeah, it's hard to 91 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:30,519 get in shape if you're always hurt. So like maybe 92 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:33,759 that reverses, who knows, But that's just to say, like 93 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:36,720 what is his value? What should they be willing to 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,920 take back. I'm of the mind that they shouldn't trade 95 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:42,759 him at this deadline, like unless okay, you still want 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:42,920 to do. 97 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,879 Speaker 1: Extra work this week, Well that's emergency podcast. 98 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: Number one, sure number two? Like you, I just think 99 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,639 because you alluded to it, like potential suitors have to 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,160 weigh like so many variables and have so much uncertainty 101 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:00,759 priced in with him as But actually, if your team 102 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:02,759 that's like we need him for the playoffs this year, 103 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:05,399 which kind of it should be that type of team 104 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:07,920 because right, oh, you're interested in the out years of 105 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,600 that contract. I that's hard to believe. So I think 106 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,800 the kinds of offers they're likely to get with this 107 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,399 hand uncertainty thing hanging over the whole process just probably 108 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,879 won't be that good, and so like, isn't there a 109 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,399 scenario where like the correct answer to what is Anthony 110 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Davis's trade value is I don't know, expiring money, and 111 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,399 like just just because there's value in getting off of 112 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:32,360 those next two years, the twenty seven twenty it's a 113 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,879 player option, but sixty three million, he's picking that up 114 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,120 and then you don't have to deal with like the 115 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:39,560 extension stuff. 116 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: Like I just. 117 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,519 Speaker 2: I don't think the best offer you're gonna get at 118 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,519 this trade deadline. I think it's hard for the offers 119 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,279 to get worse if you wait. So I would be 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,279 inclined to not move him unless I'm getting back not 121 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,279 bad money, like actual like give me a young player, 122 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:02,000 give me a pick. 123 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: So I was saying, it's two first round picks and 124 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:10,199 you're and no bad money, Like does that as the Mavericks? 125 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:12,079 Do you do you think that you can do better 126 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,000 than that? If he cut like this offseason. Let's say 127 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,639 he does come back and it plays well, because it 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,879 seems look and I will say, we do need to 129 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,639 divorce what they're gonna trade him for from the Luka 130 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Doncics trade. That shouldn't people, It should be part of 131 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,600 the analysis, Like, look at how ridiculous the Luka Doncis 132 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,680 trade tree is at this point, but the Mavericks can't. 133 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:34,959 You're no, so you can't get you're not getting the 134 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,480 Desmond Bay package for Anthony Davis at this point even. 135 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:45,519 Speaker 2: Oh god, no, no way kidding me. So well, okay, 136 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:49,439 so let's just use that hypothetical two firsts not bad money. 137 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,759 That's that's the broad strokes of what you're saying. If 138 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,879 that's on the table at this at the deadline, do 139 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:58,439 you take that because you don't think better offers are coming. 140 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,480 That's better than I would have thought you would put 141 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:04,199 out there as a hypothetical. I might, Well, it's like, man, 142 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:06,879 you got Cooper flag, You've got carte blanche to just 143 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,399 like we're reorining around this new guy. 144 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,759 Speaker 1: Well, I think though you said it when you were 145 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:13,639 going through their trade deadline, vitals is not having your 146 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:16,120 own first round pick again until twenty thirty one also 147 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:20,600 kind of dampens that a little bit too. So yeah, 148 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,079 and do you want to see like you and by 149 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,480 the way, the other thing that's part of all this. 150 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,240 So let's let's get to this is are we even 151 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,959 sure that Dallas wants to sell, because when you start 152 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,680 to they own their pick this year, So in theory 153 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,759 it should be sell or shut guys down. They're eleventh 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,399 in the West as we're recording this, four losses out 155 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,079 of the plan. I guess if you're looking at teams 156 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:43,839 in front of them or you maybe you're worried about 157 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,319 Golden State post Butler falling off, Could the Blazers fall off? 158 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Who knows what happens with the Clippers? So maybe they 159 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,839 should are you are you of the mind no, they 160 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:55,160 should be sellers here or is it? Oh, you know 161 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,160 since basically the turn of the calendar they've kind of 162 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,600 been hovering around like yeah. 163 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:03,839 Speaker 2: But I think in the interest of consistency, this is 164 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,079 a situation where we would counsel like every team to 165 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,439 sell as like, and the the reasons are one, you 166 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:13,000 have Flag. Nobody's gonna be mad if you if you 167 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:16,519 just like, it's this season's a win. You got Cooper Flag, 168 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,560 he looks fucking incredible, Like that's great. The other thing 169 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:24,199 is just the pick situation, like you won't do this 170 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,879 going forward. This is the year because this is this 171 00:08:27,959 --> 00:08:30,319 is the pick you control, So if you're gonna like 172 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 it'd be different if they were in eighth or something 173 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:36,919 and it was like, oh, you're gonna have to really 174 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,360 lose on purpose to fall out of the play in 175 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,399 mix to try to improve this. The fact that they're 176 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,600 not in now and the fact that they would have 177 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:45,279 to like I don't know, maybe you're what are you 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,799 going to rush Kyrie Irving back to like just because 179 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,399 you know, I don't think so. I think I I 180 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,200 just have him not play. I would have Anthony Davis 181 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,559 not play or trade him and I would just be 182 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:00,440 happy to finish eleventh or twelfth or whatever, like can 183 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,919 they get this? Well? Maybe? So I think you have 184 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,960 to sell. I just look. Also, everybody wants Naji Marshall. 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,360 A lot of teams want Daniel Gafford, like you got 186 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,200 you've got pieces. 187 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,639 Speaker 1: Teams want here here you go. Who is the most 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,360 non valuable or non a d trade ship on the Mavericks. 189 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: Isn't it Marshall. I'd just be just the number of 190 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:25,120 teams that come up that could use a NAUSEI Marshall like, 191 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,279 I think I think, well Max Christy might be more valuable. 192 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: That's so would you consider moving Max Christy I think 193 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:36,080 you can get two first round picks for him if 194 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,440 you can get I just want to point out that 195 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,320 Max Christie is very cheap next year, doing really well 196 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,559 on defense, shooting the hell out of the ball on 197 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,840 the season, but then he has that player option and 198 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:50,799 as the MAVs or you could, you could just he's 199 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:52,919 not going to extend off this deal. That's not happening. 200 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:53,519 Speaker 2: He's too cheap. 201 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: It's just something I'm more open to. I understand that 202 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,000 it's like the MAVs maybe if they want to be 203 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:01,399 good right away, but you don't want to be too 204 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,120 expensive right like you don't want to have to pay 205 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:05,480 Max Christie before you pay Cooper Flagg that you know 206 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:05,960 what I mean? 207 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if if Dallas believes that Max Christie's 208 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:15,360 value in including like contract stuff has peaked in his 209 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:17,679 age twenty two season, I would be surprised. So I 210 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,480 think I think you you hold on to Max Christie. 211 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,960 He seems like a very very nice fits as a 212 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,600 core piece next to Flag. And if you've got to 213 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,480 pay him what the market says he's worth going forward, great, 214 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:34,919 you'll have him through his early to mid twenties. I 215 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,039 think I think he you hold on if you're getting 216 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,960 too good first, you definitely have the conversation. But I 217 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,360 think I'd rather hold on to him. I just think 218 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,320 he's he made so much sense. 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,799 Speaker 1: So if he's not considered a trade chip, I do 220 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:50,639 think the answer is probably nausey Marshall and he would 221 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:52,679 I know the reports have said they want a first 222 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,039 round pick for him. I think he'd be more likely 223 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,159 to get you on if he was shooting the ball 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,919 better or was just trusted more as a shooter in general. 225 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:02,519 Do you think they get a first? Like, I'm trying 226 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:03,960 to figure out the team because there are a bunch 227 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,200 of teams that so here's one of the teams. It's 228 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,200 a little complicated, but like the Knicks have the Wizard's pick, 229 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,519 which would be number thirty one right now? Does that 230 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,519 it's like close to a first plus it's additional seconds in. 231 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,039 Speaker 2: Some ways better because you're way more flexible in terms 232 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,000 of what you can do contract with the second round. 233 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: You might prefer the twenty third pick first. 234 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I don't. I think Marshall could get a first, 235 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,159 but it's not gonna be like a premium first. You know, 236 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,840 there's sort of gradations of first round picks. I would 237 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,399 think he'll get some some version of a first but 238 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,120 not like, oh, this might be the twelfth pick or 239 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,879 tenth pick. It won't be a lot I'd be surprised 240 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:40,759 if it was a lottery pick. 241 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm just I don't even see the team that I 242 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,399 think would give up this year's first round pick for him? 243 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: What about not to derail us? But I don't think 244 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,080 he's available, but like, and the injuries are a huge concern, Like, 245 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,519 is Derek Lively someone they might just be ready to 246 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,600 kind of pull the ripcord on? And who's someone might 247 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,159 Rebuilder might invest in him? Right as like. 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: A or what about Indy. 249 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: That's fun? I'm in, I'm in. I'm into that great 250 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,399 for him. 251 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: What if Indiana said, like they'll do Benic Mathern, You're 252 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,759 gonna have to figure out, this is benc Mathn and 253 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,600 their twenty twenty seven pick for a lot that almost 254 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,840 feels I think you can make the case as a 255 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,919 pacer saying that that's an overpay for the pacers. 256 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, Lively, yeah, you have. You just have no idea 257 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:26,039 if he's ever going to be You don't like to 258 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,399 see foot injuries plus all the other stuff. He's had 259 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,879 in early career for a big guy, the upside play 260 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,320 might be worth it if you don't actually think, which 261 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,440 Indy probably doesn't. Matherin is like a guy that's gonna 262 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,960 be around long term. But but yeah, I don't know 263 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,240 how much Dallas should be interested in Matherin for that matter. 264 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,879 But I don't want to just shoot down I like 265 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,679 Lively to Indy. I think that makes I say intrigued 266 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:46,960 by that. 267 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: If you're the Mavericks, do you need so? Then the 268 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,240 question functionally becomes just with the Pacers, do you need 269 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:54,240 more than their twenty twenty seven first round pick to 270 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,360 move on from Derek Lively? 271 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,159 Speaker 2: I mean if the answer is yes, is it like 272 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,320 Abbie Smith or something? 273 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Well, he can't be traded? Oh right, more's Jaris Walker 274 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,000 or Ben She Like, you're not getting Let's. 275 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: Trade Nies Smith for for PJ. Washington, the two guys 276 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,159 that can't be moved. 277 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:10,759 Speaker 1: Let's be trade. 278 00:13:10,879 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: Let's mock that up. Hey, I would give us that one. 279 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: Well, well, I mean the other thing that would you 280 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,879 do to? Like what if the Jazz, I know they 281 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:22,799 have Walker Kestler, But what if the Jazz said, hey, 282 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:26,080 we have Minnesota and Cleveland's picks in twenty seven and 283 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,159 twenty nine, so you're gonna get one of like you 284 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,120 get Cleveland and Minnesota's pick in twenty seven and twenty nine. 285 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,080 For Darrek, I don't even know if the jazz happen, 286 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,480 but just as a like, that's a baseline of where 287 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,720 you think those will be bad first, although maybe not. 288 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,799 The twenty nine is so far out at this point. 289 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Not to answer the question, I 290 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,559 if I don't think Christy should be a trade ship, 291 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,279 so it feels like it's Marshall, But I think you're 292 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,720 right to point out that, like, is there really a 293 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:53,799 first out there for him? Maybe not, It's just his 294 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:56,960 name comes up constantly, like for because he's just like 295 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,960 he fits on most teams, maybe not as a starter, 296 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,039 but as someone you could squint and see a starter, 297 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,840 but definitely like a heavy use rotation piece, right, like 298 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:10,159 that universal fit kind of argument. 299 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,399 Speaker 1: So let's talk targets needs. What do you think is 300 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,360 their biggest need? Knowing that it's tough because we don't 301 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,720 know if Davis is going to be on this team. 302 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:22,399 Kyrie is still going to be on this team, But 303 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,080 do you view him as that he's not your ball 304 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,559 handler of the future. Do you think that that's a 305 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,840 Ryan Nemhard. I think that's still their biggest need to 306 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:34,200 make is kind who is going to be our primary creator? 307 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so it's it'll be different than 308 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:40,519 coming into this year when the need was so great 309 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:42,919 that Cooper Flagg was playing point guard like that. You know, 310 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,399 I think if Irving is back and you do, you 311 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,960 do believe that? I mean, this is the whole idea 312 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,759 of like ownership wants to see Flag with Davis and 313 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:55,360 Irving for a while to just sort of really make 314 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:57,600 some decisions. Is like, I don't know, I can sort 315 00:14:57,639 --> 00:15:00,759 of use my imagination and suspect that be pretty good 316 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:03,039 until it isn't when Davis can't stay on the floor. 317 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: And look, that's the whole issue here is that it's 318 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:08,120 very tempting. Because I drank some I thought I think 319 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,440 I still took their under. But I had talked about 320 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,440 coming in the season, why can't this team just win 321 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:14,840 fifty games on the back of its defense and they 322 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,840 get Kyrie back and it's Flag, Davis and Kyrie that 323 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,320 look great and lively too, But how many of those 324 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,240 guys can stay healthy. There's one of them, of the 325 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:27,559 flour I named that, it's Cooper Flagg, right. 326 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: Right, backcourt has to be an issue. I mean, like 327 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:33,080 you don't want to go nuts with it, though, if 328 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,039 like if you do think that Kyrie is going to 329 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,559 be back and fully healthy next year. There's thirty three 330 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,639 thirty four minutes per game at the point, and maybe 331 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,039 you think nem Hard can get the other dozen or 332 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,159 so and you're good there, and flags ball handling role increases, 333 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,240 maybe not to the level it was to start the season, 334 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:55,960 but like he's showing lately that like your offense at least, 335 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,399 just even if all he does is generate offense by 336 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,600 pushing in transition. Like, Okay, there's another ball handler. But 337 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,200 what they do not need are bigs. What they do 338 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,159 not need are sings. They've got, They've got wings. I mean, 339 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,799 maybe you make a wing argument. If Marshall gets traded, 340 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,759 then sure, I was gonna say, got to be a 341 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:14,320 back court. 342 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,039 Speaker 1: They don't have a Max Christi is their only reliable 343 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:20,919 three and D wing. Yes, if you want to throw PJ. 344 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,519 Washing in there, so you could make the case they 345 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:25,799 need like someone along those lines, but it's not their 346 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:27,240 top priority. 347 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you focus on the back court because 348 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:34,840 like again me saying that, well, the ball handling need 349 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:37,159 is diminished, conserving will be back. It's like, yeah, well 350 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:39,440 he's in his mid thirties and it's coming off with 351 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:41,879 torny acl Like do you really want to bank on 352 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,080 you know, a ton of minutes and games from him? 353 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Like that's the other thing. How many games will he 354 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:49,120 play next year? If even if he's healthy, It's like 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,120 they're gonna load. He's gonna play sixty something tops, Like, so, yeah, 356 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:54,600 it's got to be a backcourt situation. 357 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: It would be cool. They would be maybe as part 358 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,440 of a Naji Marshall trade. My guess would be the 359 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,360 nick say no but Deuce McBride. What makes a lot 360 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,400 of sense here. He's not gonna run your offense. But 361 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,799 as a floor spacer at that position, I think if 362 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:10,640 you're gonna get somebody like actively there, I don't view 363 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,640 them as a buyer. Even if they're not selling, you're 364 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,079 not gonna go out and try and get I'm not 365 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,000 giving up a first round pick to get Cam Spencer 366 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,880 because this team just hasn't isn't At that point, it's 367 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,200 can you take on maybe someone who has a distressed 368 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,240 like stock and go that route. 369 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,839 Speaker 2: You want, you want to take a crack on Cam 370 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,079 Thomas just just because. 371 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,519 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, not that, no ask an answer 372 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,319 on that. To do any of like that would be 373 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,480 more so geared towards this season though, But what does 374 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:40,640 it cost to like maybe Malik Monk, is it just 375 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,799 matching salaries that Sacramento wants? 376 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think he's a good contrast to someone 377 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,559 like calling Sexton that we're talking about they need a 378 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,720 ball handler in a guard And it's like, is this 379 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:52,519 a team that should be in the business of a 380 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,440 rental or of a guy that's got Like what's if 381 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,279 you're if if as we've established they're probably they probably 382 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:01,599 should be seller. They probably should be trying to maximize 383 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:06,200 this pick, Like do you care how far out like 384 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,400 is someone whose money is on the books next year 385 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:10,359 appealing to you. 386 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,319 Speaker 1: Or I guess if you're worried about the apron second apron, 387 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,759 for sure, just figure in a. 388 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,799 Speaker 2: Weird spot where it's like, Okay, we don't want money 389 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:19,240 for next year if we can avoid it. We're also 390 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:21,440 not necessarily trying to win, So what's the point in 391 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,359 giving up assets for someone who's going to expire at 392 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,799 the end of the seat, Like, who are we talking about? 393 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,240 I mean what we're getting to is like maybe that 394 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,359 this is a team that just like other than maybe 395 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,160 trying to see if Marshall can get you a real 396 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,799 first Like I don't know if you're not going out 397 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:37,119 hunting for anything. 398 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: Right, I'm with you, but I have two targets, like 399 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,079 two like they're not players but agendas for them. Okay, 400 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,559 can you find a new home for Klay Thompson? Is 401 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:47,799 that contract movable? 402 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: Is ah Man? Yeah, I think it's movable. I think 403 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,359 like the veteran experience, the shooting, you know you're getting 404 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,559 it's not what it was. You're not getting like you're 405 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,599 not getting major assets for him. You might just get 406 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:06,480 a slightly shorter deal that's of similar size but not 407 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,640 nothing great, right, Like you're not getting a bad fake 408 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,119 first to you, And I don't think for him at 409 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:10,759 this no, no, no. 410 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: I was just wondering like would port would Portland take 411 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:18,000 him for Tybole and Williams and then can you send 412 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,319 out D'Angel Russell in that trade or is that Portland's 413 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:22,119 like why do we want all this money on our books? 414 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,079 Speaker 2: Past the next season? Can can you can you rest 415 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,039 control of the franchise, this future away from D'angela Russell 416 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,599 by trading him so he can't control it. 417 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Your second apron is what would it cost for like 418 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,319 Utah to just take Clay Thompson into that John Collins 419 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,079 trade exception? 420 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,079 Speaker 2: Oh? I mean you're gonna have to give a couple seconds, 421 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:41,000 I think, don't you. 422 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: Right, Like, I'm just wondering you, like, would Washington? Washington 423 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,680 could do it too? Would Washington do that? How much 424 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,240 does it take? 425 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: Brooklyn's cap space has got to be pretty close to 426 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,799 Thompson's number two if you want it to just. 427 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: Here's another two years left on this deal, right. 428 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've just rehabbed mpj's value to a crazy degree. 429 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,880 Maybe goes over there and you're like, I had no 430 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,200 idea he had these kind of playmaking chops who saw 431 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:06,519 Clay Thompson getting six assist a game? Look at this? 432 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,079 Speaker 1: Would you sign up for a Warriors reunion? Uh? 433 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably would. I'll be honest. 434 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: That's gonna cost you that cast you Moses Moody then though, Right, 435 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,000 it's like Moody and healed to get the Clay you. 436 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: Could do it with and that well, Dallas should one 437 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:24,400 hundred percent do that. 438 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: Kaminga to the Bulls. There has to be other Cominga 439 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,519 to the Bulls, Herder to the MAVs and Klay Thompson 440 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:35,160 to the Warriors. Did I just do it or we 441 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:35,799 don't do it? 442 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: Do it? I was just gonna stay like, well, shouldn't 443 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Dallas be a team that should want Kaminga? The the 444 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,839 contract flexibility? He will probably make you worse for the 445 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:47,440 rest of the season, but he'll do cool stuff. Uh 446 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,160 and maybe, well that's. 447 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: So you think the Warriors would do it for two 448 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,880 seconds and they I think they have to send Dallas 449 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,680 would have to send out more money somewhere, but two 450 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:01,200 seconds and Clay for Kaminga like that Clay to Compton contract. 451 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,640 The Warriors have it set ups that they're just everyone's 452 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,559 off the books in twenty seven right now. Klay Thomps 453 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,240 is not off the books in twenty seven. 454 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,839 Speaker 2: I don't know. Buy him out? Is he gonna want 455 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:10,119 to be there when and. 456 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,279 Speaker 1: The money is still on the books, I don't know, 457 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,200 So he'll decline the player option retire. Okay, My last 458 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,200 question here, Ken, and this should be target. Do you 459 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,319 think there's any way they could get back their twenty 460 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,000 twenty seven pick that's oh to Charlotte. I have a scenario. 461 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,319 I'll throw it out there if you would like. 462 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: I want to try to guess what you think so well, 463 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,680 I certainly think it should involve Daniel Gafford going to 464 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:36,279 Charlotte or maybe Lively, but just to give Charlotte another 465 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:40,799 big in case you don't think Diabaate or Calbrenner actually starters, 466 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,599 which I don't know. Maybe the jury's still out on 467 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,119 both of those. I don't know. How are you getting 468 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,759 how are you getting that pick back? I'm curious. 469 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: So Daniel Gafford is involved? Yes, so the Mavericks would 470 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,200 be sending Daniel Gafford Max Christie to Charlotte, and then 471 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 Charlotte sends the pick back, and then I don't know 472 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,079 if that's even enough for Charlotte. Would you have to 473 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,960 include Nauji Marshall? Do you consider giving up the Lakers 474 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,680 twenty twenty nine first to get that back? 475 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: The only problem is Charlotte might be in a position 476 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:17,240 where it's like, twenty twenty seven, man, we're gonna be 477 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,359 a playoff team. Who care? We don't need it? You 478 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,400 know like that that or no, sorry, this is Dallas's 479 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,279 pick going back, so that doesn't okay, forget I said 480 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:25,759 any of that. 481 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,079 Speaker 1: So let's say what is Charlotte? Is there any money 482 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:29,680 that Charlotte? 483 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: Charlotte Charlotte. Well, okay, so here's the logic. It's a 484 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,359 little bit like well the Rockets, could you know, it's 485 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,599 the Rocket's Brooklyn trade all over again, where it's like 486 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,799 that pick has so much value to the MAVs unless 487 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,119 you think Flag is gonna just make it so you're 488 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,160 you don't need your lottery picks anymore to get that 489 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,440 pick back, the Hornet should be able to ask for 490 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,440 a ton, right, like isn't isn't the same situation as 491 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,559 Brooklyn get trying to get its twenty seven swap back 492 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:56,160 from Houston. 493 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, so here's the ask then, Colin 494 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,319 Sexton in pact Conaton. There could be if the Charlotte 495 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,480 Hornets really want to get off of Miles Bridges or 496 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,640 something that could be in there. But Colin Sexton in 497 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,599 pac Conaton to Dallas, along with that twenty twenty seven 498 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,799 pick for Daniel Gafford, Nausei, Marshall, Max Christie and the 499 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,920 Lakers pick. 500 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: Man, I mean, Charlotte should do that immediately. Really well, 501 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,640 I mean you're get we've just established you really like 502 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,160 Max Christie and the other getting Yeah, go ahead. 503 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,039 Speaker 1: I was gonna say. The other thing too, is the 504 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,920 Mavericks aren't going to be bad unless they have that 505 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:46,480 pick back. Well, most likely, right, you might you maybe 506 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,039 get they'll get a You're probably gonna get nothing more 507 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:52,720 than a late lottery pick. That's what you could argue get. 508 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,759 But for the Mavericks, it's, oh, we have the ability 509 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,599 to get a top five pick if. 510 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: We want right right right, right, right right right, And 511 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960 and just like I guess, having Flag there is kind 512 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,680 of like he's been so good and he's so promising that, 513 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,680 like we it would be disappointing if you got that 514 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,799 pick back and you're like, we are shutting it down. 515 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,000 We want another high lottery guy. Oh okay, But the 516 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,119 flexibility is nice, like because what if somebody, what if 517 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,160 you have an injury hit season and it's like Flag 518 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,200 and a bunch of nobody's and you have nothing to 519 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,519 show for it at the end of the year because 520 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,160 you didn't get that pick back. But man, that's a 521 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,200 lot that's a lot to give up. But if I'm Charlotte, 522 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,200 that is the kind of ask I'm making where it's like, 523 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,519 I want your best young player not named Cooper Flag. 524 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,920 I want a starting caliber center. I want the wing 525 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400 that everybody wants, and I want that other first. Like that, 526 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,039 that's that's what you should ask for. 527 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,799 Speaker 1: And do you know what's weird too, is that nobody 528 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,440 so with Christy be the only one who gets you 529 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,880 standalone first round pick value. I guess you're giving up 530 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,160 the equivalent of here, what three first rounders to get 531 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,000 one back. 532 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: Which that's not crazily above market, but it feels a 533 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,039 little above market. 534 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you could get it done without nausei Marshall or 535 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,279 or maybe would you prefer to give up Lively instead 536 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:03,920 of Gafford at this point, I don't think so. I'd 537 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,519 rather get on the swing on Lively. 538 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interesting who Charlotte would rather have, just 539 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,440 because you're the upside of Lively potentially is still high. 540 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:16,559 I would imagine Mavericks fans are like, what are you talking? 541 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,160 We don't need that. We're gonna be good. We have 542 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Cooper Flag, Kyrie's coming back, like Anthony Davis. 543 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,799 Speaker 1: I'm just if they wanted to. It's not I understand 544 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:26,359 that Cooper flag just might be too good. But having 545 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,680 control of that twenty twenty seven pick opens allsort. You 546 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,559 could see what if Kyrie Irving's trade value over the summer, 547 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:33,079 then you don't have to you don't have to feel 548 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,079 like you have to take back as much for Anthony Davis. 549 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,799 So just a scenario, and maybe maybe it's less if 550 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,359 it's the Lakers pick. And like straight up, if it's 551 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,680 the Lakers pick and Max Christie to get that pick back, 552 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,079 do you have to do it? Or is that even 553 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:45,799 still too much? 554 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: I think that's still a conversation if you're Dallas. It's 555 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,079 like I think for Dallas, oh man, that's it's just 556 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,680 what do you think Max Christie's gonna be? That's all 557 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,759 it is, because clearly that pick is so much more 558 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,640 valuable to you than the Lakers pick. Like it's not 559 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,759 it's like a joke. Yeah, I don't know if I'm Charlotte. 560 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: If I'm Charlotte, I need a minimum of three of 561 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:14,039 the Lively Gafford, Max Christie Lakers pick, Naujie Marshall, I 562 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,480 need a minimum of three of those. 563 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's weird because it's an asymmetrical deal because 564 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,640 that pick is so much more valuable to the MAVs 565 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,599 than it is to the Hornets, and it's not that 566 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,400 valuable to like anybody else, right, like, just because of 567 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,960 what we're talking about. I don't know. Those are those 568 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,559 dynamics are fascinating. I think if I'm Charlotte, I might 569 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,000 posture like I needed all of that stuff. But if 570 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,960 you're offering me that Lakers pick and Christy and like 571 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,559 just Lively or just Marshall or just Gafford, I would 572 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:45,480 think pretty hard about it. 573 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,319 Speaker 1: Oh, I would still do it if I was Charlotte, 574 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,359 because if you got. 575 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,799 Speaker 2: That pick, Dallas is gonna try to be pretty good, 576 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:52,519 and you might be talking about a pick that's like 577 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,920 nineteenth or twentieth or even worse than that. 578 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,759 Speaker 1: You know, my spy, I think my spicy take, I 579 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,680 think this is not enough. I might do it for 580 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,039 Mack Christy and the Lakers pick alone. 581 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you wouldn't say that you would not have 582 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,400 negotiations with that. 583 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think this team needs to be 584 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,319 in a rush to trade Anthony Davis that. I don't 585 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:13,839 think they should be making any type of I know 586 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,319 buying for next season is popular, but if you have 587 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,079 to attach anything like now you're dealing out first round 588 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,279 picks like I'm not even touching if it means getting 589 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,640 your own pickback, sure touch Look at the Lakers pick, 590 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,039 look at Max Christy. Other than that, maybe they shed 591 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,519 some money just because they're so close to the that 592 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,440 or maybe they want to shed off money for next year, 593 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,799 which is why if you could move, it might be 594 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,160 easier to move Gafford or Naji Marshall for an next 595 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,960 firing contract. But if you could get off the D'Angelo 596 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Russell or Clay Thompson contract, that's a big deal. 597 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: Yep. Move them for a second, and then you just 598 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:44,079 then at least you know where you're going to be 599 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,440 for certain relative to the second apron next year. Yep, 600 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,599 without having to do anything else. 601 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: You ready to take us out of here? Sir? 602 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: We did it, We did it, run and now we 603 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,519 go nuts for the actual trade deadline and a couple 604 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,759 of days depending on when you're listening to this. Thanks 605 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:02,079 already for listening and for watching. Please remember rate review, subscribe, 606 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240 tell your friends, tell your enemies, join our discord. Thanks 607 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,720 for that. In the YouTuber podcast description PLO. This is 608 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,160 always with a shout to Franklin Lakuina former Dallas Maverick. Correct, 609 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,200 did you have a did he have a? 610 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,079 Speaker 1: Dall future Dallas Maverick as well. 611 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: It was a deep pull. I've I've just wiped that 612 00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,400 from my memory and apologies to Jared Allen.