WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.640 This song actually works in a lot of different ways, 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:07.360 some which will remain off air. But excited on this 3 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:12.679 Monday during Thanksgiving weeks to have Richard Smith live in studio, Smitty, 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:14.080 you brought us a special guest. 5 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:16.320 I'm gonna let you introduce him. The floor is yours. 6 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:19.359 Oh no, well, no, this isn't. This isn't. First of all, 7 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.239 I'm I'm I'm merely here as the pawn in this, 8 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.039 in this whole whole charade that you've got going on. 9 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.320 You know, you think it's a charade. 10 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.839 Well, well, if you have me, I know, I know, 11 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.799 I know that you're down at the bottom of the barrerel. 12 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.880 So I gotta try and lift it up, you know, 13 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:38.600 lift up. As you fill fill the water jug right, 14 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.359 the cream rises to the top. So you get you 15 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.240 get doctor Chris Hill in the studio, so he can 16 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:47.640 bring something that makes sense to the show, you know, 17 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.920 other than my my blabbering all the time. 18 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.719 So doctor Hill, how are you, sir? Happy Monday? It's Smitty. 19 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.359 You know there's an old expression you can bs the 20 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:57.960 baker and get a bun, and you bs me you 21 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:58.520 get none. 22 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:00.679 You got all? Right? 23 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:02.920 What's happened for a long time. 24 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.519 I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. 25 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.040 This is going to be fun. Just three Northeast guys. 26 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.120 We'll try to stay on track here. But I have 27 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:12.079 a lot that I want to get to. First of all, 28 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.840 we're kindred spirits. You enjoy Thanksgiving. 29 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:16.159 Like I do? Yes? 30 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.840 Oh, I sure do. Yeah, it's my fair. My staff 31 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:22.680 is laughing right now. Notes from now, Oh my old staff, 32 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.920 you know, best stay of here. Oh yeah, I drove 33 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:26.519 them all crazy. 34 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.200 I love it. Yeah, so do I so do. 35 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.560 I All right, doctor Hill, It's been a minute since 36 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.280 you and I have been able to catch up, and 37 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:33.239 I just can't. 38 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:34.599 I'm shaking my head as. 39 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.640 I outline the fact that we're sitting here with seven 40 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:41.000 straight Utah football l's first time since nineteen eighty six, 41 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.519 and they're a nine point five point dog on Friday, 42 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.760 which are to be a historic losing streak for Utah football. 43 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.200 I get a lot of things wrong. I don't know 44 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.120 that I've ever been this wrong about something, as far 45 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:52.920 as how wrong I've been about this team. 46 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.159 How do you unpack this? 47 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.359 Well, you're not the only one wrong, So you're not 48 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.920 the lone ranger. Yeah, yeah, we're all on the bandwagon. 49 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.439 You know, now it's a seven Chevy de bandwagon. You 50 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.239 don't know when he's on. But it took me so 51 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:06.879 much by surprise, and still is taking me by surprise. Yeah, 52 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.400 I'm just like wow each game and they're just I 53 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:12.800 don't know what they would do. I forgot what those 54 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.680 days are like. I mean, I still have that year 55 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.719 as around. But boy, in the late eighties and nineties 56 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:20.199 before you and Smitty were born, it was brutal. It 57 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.039 was brutal, and so you know, you just lose when 58 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.560 you get up Sunday morning. That makes for a long week. 59 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:26.240 Yeah. 60 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:30.280 I wonder Smitty, how you've because obviously you were part 61 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.680 of a lot of very successful jazz front offices, but 62 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:35.159 there were down years when you were rebuilding and losing 63 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:39.479 seeps in. I wonder how you compartmentalize this. As we've 64 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.319 talked about Utah football and their lofty expectations and what 65 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.159 it's like for a locker room when the losing piles 66 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:46.479 the way it has for Utah football. 67 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.800 Well, you know, it's interesting the different spence is and 68 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:53.080 guys would tell me this, who played professional basketball overseas 69 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.879 in some of the domestic leagues where sometimes they only 70 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.560 play once a week on the weekends, and they'd say, 71 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.240 you know, well, you know you play in Greece. If 72 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.199 you only play on a team that plays in the 73 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.680 in the in the domestic league, you're playing once a week. 74 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.280 You're playing on Saturday or Sunday. And if you lose, 75 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.400 then you gotta deal all week long with all the 76 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:14.840 talking about and everything. You can't get back up on 77 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.919 the horse till the next week. You know. In the NBA, 78 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.280 you know, sometimes like the Jazz this week are going 79 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.680 into a schedules starting tomorrow where they play four games 80 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.199 and six days. So whether you win or lose, you 81 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.960 gotta go boom boom. We gotta get onto the next thing, 82 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:32.599 right And you know, but in the football, like you know, 83 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.719 with what the what the U football team is going 84 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.719 through right now, you know, seven losses in a row, 85 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:42.120 that's seven weeks, that's almost two months that you've had 86 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.520 to listen to why can't you guys win a game? 87 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:48.800 Why couldn't you win the game you just played? What's 88 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.080 the matter with you? And it just I'll tell you 89 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.120 what I can only assume. You know, with those guys 90 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.840 that especially when you're used to a winning culture and 91 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:02.439 you're used to sustained success like Kyle Whittingham has had 92 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.000 up there for all these years. That you go through 93 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:09.080 something like this, and it's not just the losses themselves 94 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.439 in the league and the expectations and all that, but 95 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.800 it just wears you out emotionally and mentally having to 96 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.800 hear about it all the time all the time. And 97 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:22.920 I can imagine what those guys are going through, especially 98 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.279 now in the situation they're in. They don't have a 99 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.040 bowl game to play for, so they have one game 100 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.079 left on Friday, which you try and make it into 101 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.399 your Thanksgiving Bowl game. Let's go guys, Kumbaya and all 102 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.120 that stuff. But you know, it's hard to get that 103 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.839 reaction from those guys, even though they know that on 104 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.079 Saturday they come home from Orlando and the season's over. 105 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:47.920 It's all done. 106 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.800 Doctor Hill, you're the man who hired coach Wit And 107 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.120 I honestly, and I say it all the time, I 108 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.399 have a good relationship with Kyle. He's good enough to 109 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:57.160 come on the show a few times throughout the year, 110 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.720 even though they practice in the afternoons. But I don't 111 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.839 have a polts on how this has affected him. I 112 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:05.480 try to I watched his pressers. He looks tired. When 113 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:07.319 I had him on the show a couple of months ago, 114 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.519 we had a few minutes before recording and I said, 115 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.079 how you doing? He said, this is as hard as 116 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:12.199 it's been in a long time. 117 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:13.120 Yea. 118 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.879 His media last week, Doctor Hill struck me as a 119 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.160 guy that said, no, not like this right, but I 120 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.879 have no How do you think this has affected a guy. 121 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.480 That you know probably better than It's interesting. 122 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.160 I went to work out at UH where Schmitty and 123 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:27.160 I do yoga. 124 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.000 Uh, we're peace with ourselves on it. 125 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:35.959 Okay, Yeah, yeah, I'm a rainbow amongst the clouds. So 126 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.120 you know, one of the things is I hadn't been 127 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.639 in the football center for all a bitch or three years. 128 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:43.560 So I'm working out at Steiner and it was last Tuesday, 129 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.959 and I thought, you know, sometimes it just eighty. I'm 130 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.160 just going by and see if Kyle's in his office 131 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.800 and just shoot the crap for a while. So, Uh, 132 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:55.319 the secretary, Oh, we'll find him, We'll find him. He 133 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:56.879 want to talk to you because I think, you know, 134 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.560 somebody's not going to say what's going on. Then I said, 135 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.519 are you're breathing? Because I think so? I think so 136 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.439 I said, okay, let's just talk about our grandkids. All right, 137 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.319 Let's do that. And then the only thing by football 138 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.720 is the whole quarterback thing. Let's be honest. You know, 139 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.160 you don't the guy that touches the ball isn't you 140 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.000 know your guy. It's like not having a picture, you know. 141 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.040 So obviously he was really down. I thought he lost 142 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.480 some weight, but you know, you can see the strains 143 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.600 there and it's like he's a deer in headlights. He's 144 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.920 you know, this just is weird, you know, and I 145 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.920 can't imagine, you know, being the idea, you know, I 146 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:37.720 people will get, you know, upset. And this Kerns McCarthy, 147 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.399 he owned the Tribune and all those families, and I 148 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.720 used to go to Saint Ambrose and we lost to 149 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.240 b Why you? And this is like nineteen eighty eight. 150 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.319 I'll never forget it. And he's passing the plate along 151 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.399 to collect money. I'd rather lose to the Russians than 152 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.160 be why you. And I'm sittinger going. 153 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:55.759 Hey, it just came to church. 154 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:57.839 You know. I thot the Lord had give me a break, 155 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.759 and you know, and people around me are going, what 156 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.800 the he? So Tomorrol story is Kyle's really really got 157 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:04.600 to be worn out. I just looked on his face, 158 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:07.160 and I think he was. He didn't want to rush 159 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.680 out of room because we weren't talking about football, sure, 160 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:11.879 and I never talked football at him, you know, I 161 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.759 always talked about houses, you know, how's you managing the team, 162 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:15.480 stuff like that. 163 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.720 But you know, he looked like he was really really tired. 164 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:24.000 Tell me this follow up here, because I truly don't 165 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:29.600 know whether or not Kyle's decision to end his time 166 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:34.319 as head coach is soon, and I don't know that 167 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.120 this year matters as far as the context of what 168 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.600 would be a really big choice for him. But what 169 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:41.439 does your gut tell you as far as what you 170 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.759 know about him? Do you think a season like this 171 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.040 motivates Kyle to say not like this? Or do you 172 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.480 think he's done enough where it's like one year doesn't matter. 173 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:51.680 I had twenty really good years at Utah. 174 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.600 I don't know everybody that's over sixty, and I faced 175 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.879 that too. Now I'm over seventy, and you know, you 176 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.120 get I told him, you know, he's what about you? 177 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.600 And I said, well, I didn't get down a yellow 178 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.439 no pad and put one thing on the other, and 179 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.959 I said, you know, nobody can tell you what to do, 180 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.079 and you can try to we win this year, we 181 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.120 lose next year. Okay, the oddsom we win in and 182 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.199 blah blah blah blah blah. We all know it's a 183 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.800 crap shoot. And I said, this is pretty simple. But 184 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:17.600 this is just why I sending you buy your home 185 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.680 because it just has great street feel. The biggest investment 186 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.360 in your life, the biggest decision you make is to 187 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.240 marry your wife because it felt good and you loved it. 188 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:27.680 You didn't get a yellow no pad. 189 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.319 See if you went to the Dennis check or teeth 190 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:34.000 and you get your bicycle from Consumer Report. So I said, 191 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:35.720 you know what, it got down to the point for 192 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.960 me it was a gut feeling. It wasn't like should 193 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:40.679 I stay in out of the years? Should I do that? 194 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.600 And I wasn't making six million dollars a year. I 195 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.799 was doing all right though, but still it's the point 196 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:48.879 where I don't know if you can base it on 197 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.879 just one thing like that or what you're going to win, 198 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:51.519 you're gonna lose. 199 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:52.519 It's so precarious. 200 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.919 So my advice is sounds simple, but it's your biggest 201 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.480 decision outside of who you going to marry, you know, 202 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.200 in the career like that, Yeah, having children and all 203 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.240 the family stuff. I don't know how you can bas 204 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.360 it on one little win or loss. It's for me, 205 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.879 it was all about how did I feel? What did 206 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:10.399 I want to do? 207 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:11.399 Interesting smittya. 208 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.600 I can't eloquently tie Kyle to Jerry as far as 209 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.879 the way Jerry's career ended, because that's a different outlier. 210 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:19.679 That's a different thing. 211 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.960 It was a moment in time with a player now 212 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.279 who has admitted that he was a prima donna and 213 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.399 a selfish ass in his words, not mine. But I 214 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:35.399 do remember Jerry oftentimes when it came to losing, internalizing 215 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.480 it in a way that probably wasn't very healthy because 216 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.679 coaches are wired like that. And I think what doctor 217 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.559 hill Is described me with Kyle has kind of reminded 218 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.960 me a little bit of every time Jerry would lose 219 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.399 in fear that he's never going to win another NBA game. 220 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:48.720 Coaches are wired differently, aren't they. 221 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.240 Yeah, And you know, I also think that with the 222 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:57.159 perspective of time and experience that some of those things 223 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.919 start to get into a little more. You know, you're 224 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.639 edges are worn down a little bit, you know. With 225 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:05.200 with coach Sloan, you know, towards the end, you know, 226 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.840 he just didn't want to deal with a lot of 227 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.159 the so called heavy lifting that was involved in trying 228 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:13.919 to keep the ship afloat and keep it going in 229 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.759 the right direction. Even yeah, you know, we had we 230 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.440 had a good team, but uh, you know, but but 231 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.080 you know with with with uh, you know what with 232 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.240 Chris is saying about about Kyle. He's been there so long, 233 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:31.200 has had such success, and has had a formula and 234 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.960 knows what he needs to get done to keep that 235 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:38.000 that that train on the track and going in the 236 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:41.360 right direction. Now in the last several years with the 237 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.720 NIL stuff and the transfer portal stuff, and now you 238 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.000 have the new you know, Big League with the Big 239 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.639 twelve or or all those kinds of changes, you just 240 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.240 you know, and then you have a season like this 241 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.519 where the expectations were out of whack in my opinion, 242 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.720 you know, back in June and July, where everybody's talking 243 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.039 about undefeated and getting the CFP and getting to the 244 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.320 national semifinals and blah blah blah and whatever, and all 245 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:10.159 that stuff goes awry very quickly and those things when 246 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:12.960 you're at this stage of your career, whatever that is. 247 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.399 For someone who's had that experience like he has had 248 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.360 to have to absorb that and have to deal with 249 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.240 all of that stuff, I'm not sure it would be 250 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.159 as Chris is saying, you know, a one year decision 251 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.720 like lying, don't going through this again or whatever. I 252 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.960 think for me, I would think it would be more 253 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.480 about do I want to keep trying to do this 254 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.840 the way that we're having to do it now, with 255 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:42.360 the way that differently than I did it ten years ago, 256 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.519 you know, a different approach, a different mindset. Do I 257 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.639 want to do that? Do I want to reinvent myself 258 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:54.720 in that regard at this point of my career? And 259 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.840 you know, and getting slapped in the head like you 260 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.000 do with a year like this doesn't help that process. 261 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.559 But but you have to sit, just just like Chris 262 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:06.679 is saying, you have to sit in a dark room, 263 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.960 you know, with the lights out, by yourself and just go. 264 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.600 You know. Now, I heard his press conference today where 265 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.279 he said, oh, I got plenty of gas in the tank. 266 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.080 You know, I have no problem with that. So I 267 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.600 think it's just going to be you know, something like that. 268 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.519 I don't, but I'll say this, man, I don't like 269 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.159 as an outside observer, a guy sitting up in row 270 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.960 row twenty five, you know, just watching the games and 271 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.399 being a fan of the game. I don't like the 272 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:38.200 vibe that the public in general is giving that, Oh, 273 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.960 because he's had a bad year, you know, he's got 274 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.159 to decide to retire and all that kind of stuff 275 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.519 because he's lost it or he's lost the locker room 276 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.200 or whatever. To me, my opinion, that is so much 277 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:54.200 bologney that it shouldn't even be, you know, be talked about. 278 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.039 You know, he they've had a bad year. Injuries, things 279 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.200 haven't gone their way. All the breaks they needed they 280 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.799 didn't get. That's just what happened in the last couple months. 281 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:08.960 And you know, you have to take it for what 282 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.720 that is and put it in the greater perspective to 283 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.159 try and assess what you want to do going forward. 284 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.799 So a lot of good stuff there, and it's doctor Hill. 285 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:22.159 It's an interesting balance, right because Smitty alluded to this, 286 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.960 and I believe it to be true that Kyle has. 287 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:25.720 Earned the right to go out on his terms. 288 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.480 Absolutely, That's how I feel, and I believe that that 289 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.440 is the equity that he has built up in this 290 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:35.200 market over two decades. But at what point, from an 291 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.440 administrator's perspective, do you start to get concerned, Like, if 292 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.960 we're sitting here, the three of us, let's make it 293 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:44.279 an annual things Thanksgiving week, you guys are welcome here 294 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.759 for an hour. If we're sitting here next year Thanksgiving 295 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:51.120 week in there three and seven and Kyle's back, at 296 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.399 what point? Because it again, Coach wait To alluded to 297 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.960 this earlier, it's hard to go out at the right time. 298 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.200 It's almost impossible. But yes, I believe he has earned 299 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.320 the right to call his shot. But from an administrator's perspective, 300 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.360 when do you start asking questions. 301 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.360 When you feel like it? You know, you get to 302 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:14.080 the point where I always tell everybody that you evaluate people. 303 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:15.799 Get real. You know, I got a PhD. 304 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.120 But I don't use all that stuff sometimes because some 305 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.240 things are really simple. Like I just talked about it. 306 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.000 So an employee comes into your office and says they're 307 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.720 going to resign. Are you dancing on the tabletops or 308 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.200 are you distraught? If you're dancing on the tabletops, you 309 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.399 kind of got to go with what your answer is 310 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.080 that's not happening, Kyle. You know that's not happening. And 311 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.159 so it's just really one of those things where it's 312 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.720 up to him. You know, the world of sports is 313 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:47.440 cruel and could change anybody. I was paranout all the 314 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.720 time and you do something wrong and think, oh God. 315 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:53.799 But like coaches, Jerry Sloan was the king. If he 316 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.519 can't look behind you, you're a fighter pilot. You just 317 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:58.200 keep got to go when there's no behind you. And 318 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.480 you know they're eighty are wired different, but not not 319 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:06.720 quite as different as coaches and ads have different. Ads 320 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:08.639 have a couple of sports. So if we were good 321 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:10.720 in basketball, bat and football, I could, you know, at 322 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.960 least have some sense of sanity. But you take guys 323 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.600 like Jerry Sloan, who are the I mean, I'm a 324 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:21.200 Jerry Sloan fan, and Kyle Samon they're just tough, smart guys, 325 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.000 you know, and it's killing them, you know, I mean, 326 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.960 you know you know how tough both those two guys are. 327 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:29.559 I mean, you wouldn't want to mess with him. 328 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.200 And you can imagine they go home and you know 329 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.279 I used to say that, you know, coach goes to 330 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.320 sleep at four in the morning, the ad goes to 331 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.080 sleep at one point and the retired guy goes to 332 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.480 sleep at eleven after the game. You know, it's just 333 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.799 the way it is, and it's really hard. So you know, 334 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.240 I just don't want to do any kind of hypothetical 335 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.960 of what's going to happen, because he's earned too much respect. 336 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.840 I agree with you, all right before we catch a break, 337 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.039 doctor Hell, and if you do not want to talk 338 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.200 about this, it is well within your right to the 339 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.759 end of that microphone buzz off. I have nothing to say. However, 340 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.360 when a few friends of mine who listened to the 341 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.480 program heard me tease that you were going to be 342 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.080 on the show today, they both sent me the same message, 343 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.159 and essentially it said, Penny first thoughts about what Mark 344 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:19.399 Harland decided to do after the Utah BYU game, and 345 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.639 just you know, for contexts, I was down on the sideline, 346 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.000 so I saw Mark kind of go at the officials 347 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:26.720 when the game was still going on, which struck me 348 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.440 as odd. My experience with Mark is that he's been 349 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.279 more or less a measured guy that's nice to me. 350 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:35.159 I don't know him well personally, but I'm walking home 351 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.960 across campus from the stadium after the game, and suddenly 352 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.879 my phone is blown up, like I thought somebody had 353 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:43.960 got an accident, Like what's going on? So I pulled 354 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:45.440 my cell phone out and it was all the same. 355 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.799 Did you hear what Mark Carlin just said? Did you 356 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.279 hear what Mark Carlan just said? Somebody sends me a 357 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:52.480 link on social I watch it and I went, oh, no, 358 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.600 I thought he was in a lot of trouble. Reht 359 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.679 your Mark Northeast sleeping with the Fish's Big twelve commissioner 360 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.559 Penny for his thoughts when he woke up and saw 361 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:04.480 his cell phone by the way, yea so public reprimand 362 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.920 forty K fine, And I thought Mark, I was relieved 363 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:09.400 for him. I thought he was going to be in 364 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:13.119 more trouble. So God asked the question her thoughts on that, Yeah. 365 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.119 You know, I was bounding to termine when when I left, 366 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.519 and still am that any kind of administrative things that happened. 367 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.440 I'm not going to blink my eyes one with the other. 368 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:21.680 Fair. 369 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.200 The last thing I do is I don't want to 370 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.559 be seen as that old guy that's criticizing what goes 371 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:28.839 on or not I can complain about throwing a past 372 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.480 the wrong way or something. No, I think for me 373 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.000 and I appreciate, let me not go into that because 374 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.839 what I say it's not going to be worthwhile anything. So, 375 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.599 and I don't know Mark very well anyway. I haven't 376 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:41.559 spent much time. 377 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:41.920 With him at all. 378 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.759 So what you can comment on is, as the ad 379 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.160 after a hard fought utah u Yu football game, if 380 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.160 you feel like you're on the wrong side of certain things, 381 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.880 that's that's a different type of intense emotion, isn't it. 382 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:53.920 Oh, it is, you know. 383 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.680 And there are times when I was in the hallway 384 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.200 after game years ago. I don't forget it is if 385 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.759 Kyle had the call, he didn't call a time out 386 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.960 and the referee did and costs us essentially the game, 387 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.559 and I'm in the tunnel and pretty upset and talking 388 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.680 to the conference office. But in my job, I you know, 389 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.799 maybe it started with Rick, but I was felt, you know, 390 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:14.680 I didn't want to be near the bench ever or 391 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.559 during the sideline, but this game was over. I'd zoomed 392 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.319 to the locker room. Started with Rick because I wanted 393 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:22.079 to get okay, Rick, don't go, don't go. You know, 394 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.559 It's almost like that was you know, I was, I 395 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.839 was moving my feet and trying to pick up a charge, 396 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:28.759 you know, And and I kind of got in that 397 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.119 habit with everybody. This is Abel would help me too, 398 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.960 especially football, so I was always at them. I was 399 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.039 upset at times whatever, But when I got down to 400 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.400 the locker room, I kind of felt my job was 401 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:39.640