Speaker 1: This song actually works in a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: some which will remain off air. But excited on this
Speaker 1: Monday during Thanksgiving weeks to have Richard Smith live in studio, Smitty,
Speaker 1: you brought us a special guest.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you introduce him. The floor is yours.
Speaker 3: Oh no, well, no, this isn't. This isn't. First of all,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm merely here as the pawn in this,
Speaker 3: in this whole whole charade that you've got going on.
Speaker 2: You know, you think it's a charade.
Speaker 3: Well, well, if you have me, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: I know that you're down at the bottom of the barrerel.
Speaker 3: So I gotta try and lift it up, you know,
Speaker 3: lift up. As you fill fill the water jug right,
Speaker 3: the cream rises to the top. So you get you
Speaker 3: get doctor Chris Hill in the studio, so he can
Speaker 3: bring something that makes sense to the show, you know,
Speaker 3: other than my my blabbering all the time.
Speaker 2: So doctor Hill, how are you, sir? Happy Monday? It's Smitty.
Speaker 4: You know there's an old expression you can bs the
Speaker 4: baker and get a bun, and you bs me you
Speaker 4: get none.
Speaker 2: You got all? Right?
Speaker 3: What's happened for a long time.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine.
Speaker 1: This is going to be fun. Just three Northeast guys.
Speaker 1: We'll try to stay on track here. But I have
Speaker 1: a lot that I want to get to. First of all,
Speaker 1: we're kindred spirits. You enjoy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Like I do? Yes?
Speaker 4: Oh, I sure do. Yeah, it's my fair. My staff
Speaker 4: is laughing right now. Notes from now, Oh my old staff,
Speaker 4: you know, best stay of here. Oh yeah, I drove
Speaker 4: them all crazy.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, so do I so do.
Speaker 1: I All right, doctor Hill, It's been a minute since
Speaker 1: you and I have been able to catch up, and
Speaker 1: I just can't.
Speaker 2: I'm shaking my head as.
Speaker 1: I outline the fact that we're sitting here with seven
Speaker 1: straight Utah football l's first time since nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 1: and they're a nine point five point dog on Friday,
Speaker 1: which are to be a historic losing streak for Utah football.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of things wrong. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I've ever been this wrong about something, as far
Speaker 1: as how wrong I've been about this team.
Speaker 2: How do you unpack this?
Speaker 4: Well, you're not the only one wrong, So you're not
Speaker 4: the lone ranger. Yeah, yeah, we're all on the bandwagon.
Speaker 4: You know, now it's a seven Chevy de bandwagon. You
Speaker 4: don't know when he's on. But it took me so
Speaker 4: much by surprise, and still is taking me by surprise. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm just like wow each game and they're just I
Speaker 4: don't know what they would do. I forgot what those
Speaker 4: days are like. I mean, I still have that year
Speaker 4: as around. But boy, in the late eighties and nineties
Speaker 4: before you and Smitty were born, it was brutal. It
Speaker 4: was brutal, and so you know, you just lose when
Speaker 4: you get up Sunday morning. That makes for a long week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder Smitty, how you've because obviously you were part
Speaker 1: of a lot of very successful jazz front offices, but
Speaker 1: there were down years when you were rebuilding and losing
Speaker 1: seeps in. I wonder how you compartmentalize this. As we've
Speaker 1: talked about Utah football and their lofty expectations and what
Speaker 1: it's like for a locker room when the losing piles
Speaker 1: the way it has for Utah football.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting the different spence is and
Speaker 3: guys would tell me this, who played professional basketball overseas
Speaker 3: in some of the domestic leagues where sometimes they only
Speaker 3: play once a week on the weekends, and they'd say,
Speaker 3: you know, well, you know you play in Greece. If
Speaker 3: you only play on a team that plays in the
Speaker 3: in the in the domestic league, you're playing once a week.
Speaker 3: You're playing on Saturday or Sunday. And if you lose,
Speaker 3: then you gotta deal all week long with all the
Speaker 3: talking about and everything. You can't get back up on
Speaker 3: the horse till the next week. You know. In the NBA,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes like the Jazz this week are going
Speaker 3: into a schedules starting tomorrow where they play four games
Speaker 3: and six days. So whether you win or lose, you
Speaker 3: gotta go boom boom. We gotta get onto the next thing,
Speaker 3: right And you know, but in the football, like you know,
Speaker 3: with what the what the U football team is going
Speaker 3: through right now, you know, seven losses in a row,
Speaker 3: that's seven weeks, that's almost two months that you've had
Speaker 3: to listen to why can't you guys win a game?
Speaker 3: Why couldn't you win the game you just played? What's
Speaker 3: the matter with you? And it just I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what I can only assume. You know, with those guys
Speaker 3: that especially when you're used to a winning culture and
Speaker 3: you're used to sustained success like Kyle Whittingham has had
Speaker 3: up there for all these years. That you go through
Speaker 3: something like this, and it's not just the losses themselves
Speaker 3: in the league and the expectations and all that, but
Speaker 3: it just wears you out emotionally and mentally having to
Speaker 3: hear about it all the time all the time. And
Speaker 3: I can imagine what those guys are going through, especially
Speaker 3: now in the situation they're in. They don't have a
Speaker 3: bowl game to play for, so they have one game
Speaker 3: left on Friday, which you try and make it into
Speaker 3: your Thanksgiving Bowl game. Let's go guys, Kumbaya and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. But you know, it's hard to get that
Speaker 3: reaction from those guys, even though they know that on
Speaker 3: Saturday they come home from Orlando and the season's over.
Speaker 3: It's all done.
Speaker 1: Doctor Hill, you're the man who hired coach Wit And
Speaker 1: I honestly, and I say it all the time, I
Speaker 1: have a good relationship with Kyle. He's good enough to
Speaker 1: come on the show a few times throughout the year,
Speaker 1: even though they practice in the afternoons. But I don't
Speaker 1: have a polts on how this has affected him. I
Speaker 1: try to I watched his pressers. He looks tired. When
Speaker 1: I had him on the show a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: we had a few minutes before recording and I said,
Speaker 1: how you doing? He said, this is as hard as
Speaker 1: it's been in a long time.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: His media last week, Doctor Hill struck me as a
Speaker 1: guy that said, no, not like this right, but I
Speaker 1: have no How do you think this has affected a guy.
Speaker 2: That you know probably better than It's interesting.
Speaker 4: I went to work out at UH where Schmitty and
Speaker 4: I do yoga.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're peace with ourselves on it.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, yeah, I'm a rainbow amongst the clouds. So
Speaker 4: you know, one of the things is I hadn't been
Speaker 4: in the football center for all a bitch or three years.
Speaker 4: So I'm working out at Steiner and it was last Tuesday,
Speaker 4: and I thought, you know, sometimes it just eighty. I'm
Speaker 4: just going by and see if Kyle's in his office
Speaker 4: and just shoot the crap for a while. So, Uh,
Speaker 4: the secretary, Oh, we'll find him, We'll find him. He
Speaker 4: want to talk to you because I think, you know,
Speaker 4: somebody's not going to say what's going on. Then I said,
Speaker 4: are you're breathing? Because I think so? I think so
Speaker 4: I said, okay, let's just talk about our grandkids. All right,
Speaker 4: Let's do that. And then the only thing by football
Speaker 4: is the whole quarterback thing. Let's be honest. You know,
Speaker 4: you don't the guy that touches the ball isn't you
Speaker 4: know your guy. It's like not having a picture, you know.
Speaker 4: So obviously he was really down. I thought he lost
Speaker 4: some weight, but you know, you can see the strains
Speaker 4: there and it's like he's a deer in headlights. He's
Speaker 4: you know, this just is weird, you know, and I
Speaker 4: can't imagine, you know, being the idea, you know, I
Speaker 4: people will get, you know, upset. And this Kerns McCarthy,
Speaker 4: he owned the Tribune and all those families, and I
Speaker 4: used to go to Saint Ambrose and we lost to
Speaker 4: b Why you? And this is like nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. And he's passing the plate along
Speaker 4: to collect money. I'd rather lose to the Russians than
Speaker 4: be why you. And I'm sittinger going.
Speaker 2: Hey, it just came to church.
Speaker 4: You know. I thot the Lord had give me a break,
Speaker 4: and you know, and people around me are going, what
Speaker 4: the he? So Tomorrol story is Kyle's really really got
Speaker 4: to be worn out. I just looked on his face,
Speaker 4: and I think he was. He didn't want to rush
Speaker 4: out of room because we weren't talking about football, sure,
Speaker 4: and I never talked football at him, you know, I
Speaker 4: always talked about houses, you know, how's you managing the team,
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, he looked like he was really really tired.
Speaker 1: Tell me this follow up here, because I truly don't
Speaker 1: know whether or not Kyle's decision to end his time
Speaker 1: as head coach is soon, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: this year matters as far as the context of what
Speaker 1: would be a really big choice for him. But what
Speaker 1: does your gut tell you as far as what you
Speaker 1: know about him? Do you think a season like this
Speaker 1: motivates Kyle to say not like this? Or do you
Speaker 1: think he's done enough where it's like one year doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I had twenty really good years at Utah.
Speaker 4: I don't know everybody that's over sixty, and I faced
Speaker 4: that too. Now I'm over seventy, and you know, you
Speaker 4: get I told him, you know, he's what about you?
Speaker 4: And I said, well, I didn't get down a yellow
Speaker 4: no pad and put one thing on the other, and
Speaker 4: I said, you know, nobody can tell you what to do,
Speaker 4: and you can try to we win this year, we
Speaker 4: lose next year. Okay, the oddsom we win in and
Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. We all know it's a
Speaker 4: crap shoot. And I said, this is pretty simple. But
Speaker 4: this is just why I sending you buy your home
Speaker 4: because it just has great street feel. The biggest investment
Speaker 4: in your life, the biggest decision you make is to
Speaker 4: marry your wife because it felt good and you loved it.
Speaker 2: You didn't get a yellow no pad.
Speaker 4: See if you went to the Dennis check or teeth
Speaker 4: and you get your bicycle from Consumer Report. So I said,
Speaker 4: you know what, it got down to the point for
Speaker 4: me it was a gut feeling. It wasn't like should
Speaker 4: I stay in out of the years? Should I do that?
Speaker 4: And I wasn't making six million dollars a year. I
Speaker 4: was doing all right though, but still it's the point
Speaker 4: where I don't know if you can base it on
Speaker 4: just one thing like that or what you're going to win,
Speaker 4: you're gonna lose.
Speaker 2: It's so precarious.
Speaker 4: So my advice is sounds simple, but it's your biggest
Speaker 4: decision outside of who you going to marry, you know,
Speaker 4: in the career like that, Yeah, having children and all
Speaker 4: the family stuff. I don't know how you can bas
Speaker 4: it on one little win or loss. It's for me,
Speaker 4: it was all about how did I feel? What did
Speaker 4: I want to do?
Speaker 2: Interesting smittya.
Speaker 1: I can't eloquently tie Kyle to Jerry as far as
Speaker 1: the way Jerry's career ended, because that's a different outlier.
Speaker 2: That's a different thing.
Speaker 1: It was a moment in time with a player now
Speaker 1: who has admitted that he was a prima donna and
Speaker 1: a selfish ass in his words, not mine. But I
Speaker 1: do remember Jerry oftentimes when it came to losing, internalizing
Speaker 1: it in a way that probably wasn't very healthy because
Speaker 1: coaches are wired like that. And I think what doctor
Speaker 1: hill Is described me with Kyle has kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me a little bit of every time Jerry would lose
Speaker 1: in fear that he's never going to win another NBA game.
Speaker 1: Coaches are wired differently, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I also think that with the
Speaker 3: perspective of time and experience that some of those things
Speaker 3: start to get into a little more. You know, you're
Speaker 3: edges are worn down a little bit, you know. With
Speaker 3: with coach Sloan, you know, towards the end, you know,
Speaker 3: he just didn't want to deal with a lot of
Speaker 3: the so called heavy lifting that was involved in trying
Speaker 3: to keep the ship afloat and keep it going in
Speaker 3: the right direction. Even yeah, you know, we had we
Speaker 3: had a good team, but uh, you know, but but
Speaker 3: you know with with with uh, you know what with
Speaker 3: Chris is saying about about Kyle. He's been there so long,
Speaker 3: has had such success, and has had a formula and
Speaker 3: knows what he needs to get done to keep that
Speaker 3: that that train on the track and going in the
Speaker 3: right direction. Now in the last several years with the
Speaker 3: NIL stuff and the transfer portal stuff, and now you
Speaker 3: have the new you know, Big League with the Big
Speaker 3: twelve or or all those kinds of changes, you just
Speaker 3: you know, and then you have a season like this
Speaker 3: where the expectations were out of whack in my opinion,
Speaker 3: you know, back in June and July, where everybody's talking
Speaker 3: about undefeated and getting the CFP and getting to the
Speaker 3: national semifinals and blah blah blah and whatever, and all
Speaker 3: that stuff goes awry very quickly and those things when
Speaker 3: you're at this stage of your career, whatever that is.
Speaker 3: For someone who's had that experience like he has had
Speaker 3: to have to absorb that and have to deal with
Speaker 3: all of that stuff, I'm not sure it would be
Speaker 3: as Chris is saying, you know, a one year decision
Speaker 3: like lying, don't going through this again or whatever. I
Speaker 3: think for me, I would think it would be more
Speaker 3: about do I want to keep trying to do this
Speaker 3: the way that we're having to do it now, with
Speaker 3: the way that differently than I did it ten years ago,
Speaker 3: you know, a different approach, a different mindset. Do I
Speaker 3: want to do that? Do I want to reinvent myself
Speaker 3: in that regard at this point of my career? And
Speaker 3: you know, and getting slapped in the head like you
Speaker 3: do with a year like this doesn't help that process.
Speaker 3: But but you have to sit, just just like Chris
Speaker 3: is saying, you have to sit in a dark room,
Speaker 3: you know, with the lights out, by yourself and just go.
Speaker 3: You know. Now, I heard his press conference today where
Speaker 3: he said, oh, I got plenty of gas in the tank.
Speaker 3: You know, I have no problem with that. So I
Speaker 3: think it's just going to be you know, something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't, but I'll say this, man, I don't like
Speaker 3: as an outside observer, a guy sitting up in row
Speaker 3: row twenty five, you know, just watching the games and
Speaker 3: being a fan of the game. I don't like the
Speaker 3: vibe that the public in general is giving that, Oh,
Speaker 3: because he's had a bad year, you know, he's got
Speaker 3: to decide to retire and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: because he's lost it or he's lost the locker room
Speaker 3: or whatever. To me, my opinion, that is so much
Speaker 3: bologney that it shouldn't even be, you know, be talked about.
Speaker 3: You know, he they've had a bad year. Injuries, things
Speaker 3: haven't gone their way. All the breaks they needed they
Speaker 3: didn't get. That's just what happened in the last couple months.
Speaker 3: And you know, you have to take it for what
Speaker 3: that is and put it in the greater perspective to
Speaker 3: try and assess what you want to do going forward.
Speaker 1: So a lot of good stuff there, and it's doctor Hill.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting balance, right because Smitty alluded to this,
Speaker 1: and I believe it to be true that Kyle has.
Speaker 2: Earned the right to go out on his terms.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's how I feel, and I believe that that
Speaker 1: is the equity that he has built up in this
Speaker 1: market over two decades. But at what point, from an
Speaker 1: administrator's perspective, do you start to get concerned, Like, if
Speaker 1: we're sitting here, the three of us, let's make it
Speaker 1: an annual things Thanksgiving week, you guys are welcome here
Speaker 1: for an hour. If we're sitting here next year Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: week in there three and seven and Kyle's back, at
Speaker 1: what point? Because it again, Coach wait To alluded to
Speaker 1: this earlier, it's hard to go out at the right time.
Speaker 1: It's almost impossible. But yes, I believe he has earned
Speaker 1: the right to call his shot. But from an administrator's perspective,
Speaker 1: when do you start asking questions.
Speaker 4: When you feel like it? You know, you get to
Speaker 4: the point where I always tell everybody that you evaluate people.
Speaker 2: Get real. You know, I got a PhD.
Speaker 4: But I don't use all that stuff sometimes because some
Speaker 4: things are really simple. Like I just talked about it.
Speaker 4: So an employee comes into your office and says they're
Speaker 4: going to resign. Are you dancing on the tabletops or
Speaker 4: are you distraught? If you're dancing on the tabletops, you
Speaker 4: kind of got to go with what your answer is
Speaker 4: that's not happening, Kyle. You know that's not happening. And
Speaker 4: so it's just really one of those things where it's
Speaker 4: up to him. You know, the world of sports is
Speaker 4: cruel and could change anybody. I was paranout all the
Speaker 4: time and you do something wrong and think, oh God.
Speaker 4: But like coaches, Jerry Sloan was the king. If he
Speaker 4: can't look behind you, you're a fighter pilot. You just
Speaker 4: keep got to go when there's no behind you. And
Speaker 4: you know they're eighty are wired different, but not not
Speaker 4: quite as different as coaches and ads have different. Ads
Speaker 4: have a couple of sports. So if we were good
Speaker 4: in basketball, bat and football, I could, you know, at
Speaker 4: least have some sense of sanity. But you take guys
Speaker 4: like Jerry Sloan, who are the I mean, I'm a
Speaker 4: Jerry Sloan fan, and Kyle Samon they're just tough, smart guys,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's killing them, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know you know how tough both those two guys are.
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't want to mess with him.
Speaker 4: And you can imagine they go home and you know
Speaker 4: I used to say that, you know, coach goes to
Speaker 4: sleep at four in the morning, the ad goes to
Speaker 4: sleep at one point and the retired guy goes to
Speaker 4: sleep at eleven after the game. You know, it's just
Speaker 4: the way it is, and it's really hard. So you know,
Speaker 4: I just don't want to do any kind of hypothetical
Speaker 4: of what's going to happen, because he's earned too much respect.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, all right before we catch a break,
Speaker 1: doctor Hell, and if you do not want to talk
Speaker 1: about this, it is well within your right to the
Speaker 1: end of that microphone buzz off. I have nothing to say. However,
Speaker 1: when a few friends of mine who listened to the
Speaker 1: program heard me tease that you were going to be
Speaker 1: on the show today, they both sent me the same message,
Speaker 1: and essentially it said, Penny first thoughts about what Mark
Speaker 1: Harland decided to do after the Utah BYU game, and
Speaker 1: just you know, for contexts, I was down on the sideline,
Speaker 1: so I saw Mark kind of go at the officials
Speaker 1: when the game was still going on, which struck me
Speaker 1: as odd. My experience with Mark is that he's been
Speaker 1: more or less a measured guy that's nice to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know him well personally, but I'm walking home
Speaker 1: across campus from the stadium after the game, and suddenly
Speaker 1: my phone is blown up, like I thought somebody had
Speaker 1: got an accident, Like what's going on? So I pulled
Speaker 1: my cell phone out and it was all the same.
Speaker 1: Did you hear what Mark Carlin just said? Did you
Speaker 1: hear what Mark Carlan just said? Somebody sends me a
Speaker 1: link on social I watch it and I went, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I thought he was in a lot of trouble. Reht
Speaker 1: your Mark Northeast sleeping with the Fish's Big twelve commissioner
Speaker 1: Penny for his thoughts when he woke up and saw
Speaker 1: his cell phone by the way, yea so public reprimand
Speaker 1: forty K fine, And I thought Mark, I was relieved
Speaker 1: for him. I thought he was going to be in
Speaker 1: more trouble. So God asked the question her thoughts on that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, I was bounding to termine when when I left,
Speaker 4: and still am that any kind of administrative things that happened.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to blink my eyes one with the other.
Speaker 2: Fair.
Speaker 4: The last thing I do is I don't want to
Speaker 4: be seen as that old guy that's criticizing what goes
Speaker 4: on or not I can complain about throwing a past
Speaker 4: the wrong way or something. No, I think for me
Speaker 4: and I appreciate, let me not go into that because
Speaker 4: what I say it's not going to be worthwhile anything. So,
Speaker 4: and I don't know Mark very well anyway. I haven't
Speaker 4: spent much time.
Speaker 2: With him at all.
Speaker 1: So what you can comment on is, as the ad
Speaker 1: after a hard fought utah u Yu football game, if
Speaker 1: you feel like you're on the wrong side of certain things,
Speaker 1: that's that's a different type of intense emotion, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is, you know.
Speaker 4: And there are times when I was in the hallway
Speaker 4: after game years ago. I don't forget it is if
Speaker 4: Kyle had the call, he didn't call a time out
Speaker 4: and the referee did and costs us essentially the game,
Speaker 4: and I'm in the tunnel and pretty upset and talking
Speaker 4: to the conference office. But in my job, I you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it started with Rick, but I was felt, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't want to be near the bench ever or
Speaker 4: during the sideline, but this game was over. I'd zoomed
Speaker 4: to the locker room. Started with Rick because I wanted
Speaker 4: to get okay, Rick, don't go, don't go. You know,
Speaker 4: It's almost like that was you know, I was, I
Speaker 4: was moving my feet and trying to pick up a charge,
Speaker 4: you know, And and I kind of got in that
Speaker 4: habit with everybody. This is Abel would help me too,
Speaker 4: especially football, so I was always at them. I was
Speaker 4: upset at times whatever, But when I got down to
Speaker 4: the locker room, I kind of felt my job was
Speaker 4: to say, Liz, what do I need to do and
Speaker 4: go on to coach freaking out was you know, That's
Speaker 4: kind of my thing. So that was the way I
Speaker 4: looked at it. But there were times I was obviously upset.
Speaker 4: Everybody is, and you know, you just got to just
Speaker 4: ride with what your own personality is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well catch a quick break. Richard Smith, doctor
Speaker 1: CHRISO Live in Studio, got one more big segment coming
Speaker 1: up next.
Speaker 2: We'll launch it at the five o'clock hour.
Speaker 1: After that, don't forget the Craig Smith Coaches shows tonight
Speaker 1: at six, and then after that it's Monday Night football
Speaker 1: the Harbaugh Bowl with the Ravens and the Chargers. So
Speaker 1: keep it here on ESPN seven hundred. All right, We've
Speaker 1: got doctor Chris Hill former ad Up on the Hill,
Speaker 1: No pun intended there, Live in studio, Richard Smith forty
Speaker 1: years with the Jazz front office live in studio as well,
Speaker 1: a lot of intellectual brain power and great experience in
Speaker 1: this in this.
Speaker 2: Little radio studio. So I appreciate your time here.
Speaker 3: Okay, what what.
Speaker 2: Forty years in the league? Doctor? How long were you
Speaker 2: an administrator in college? Forget? No, thirty years is the ad.
Speaker 1: So a combined seventy one years of life experience in Sportsmittie,
Speaker 1: that's not nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to pay you a compliment. Experience doesn't
Speaker 2: mean intellect. That doesn't mean that was smart for thirty
Speaker 2: one years. Oh, you did a pretty good job after you.
Speaker 3: Was that the famous John Wooden line, don't mistake activity
Speaker 3: for achievements.
Speaker 2: Fair enough? One more question about coach Wit.
Speaker 1: One more question about Utah football, then we'll move on
Speaker 1: to some other things. Smitty referenced coach Sloan deciding, and
Speaker 1: I believe the phrase that Smitty used was he didn't
Speaker 1: want to do the heavy lifting anymore. So on the
Speaker 1: college side of things, we've seen Nick Saban, Tony Bennett,
Speaker 1: and others powerhouse coaches. Saban, potentially the best of all time,
Speaker 1: walk away from the job that he loves, and now
Speaker 1: that he's in media, we know he walked away because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want anything to do with what the sport
Speaker 1: has become. Do you think there's any part of Kyle
Speaker 1: that looks at what the sport has become and doesn't
Speaker 1: want to deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, you know random one day says we can't
Speaker 4: couldn't give you a hamburger somebody you know, eight years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and seriously couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: A bagel or a bagel with cream cheese like that
Speaker 1: was how silly it was.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because the guys, at least I
Speaker 4: think it's interesting. The guys that have in that age bracket,
Speaker 4: they kind of grew up as coaches because they wanted
Speaker 4: to coach, and all of a sudden they started making money,
Speaker 4: you know, but they got into coaching because they wanted
Speaker 4: to tell the defensivettack, you got to do this, you
Speaker 4: got to move here, Scott.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I Ohs used to say, there's two kinds of coaches.
Speaker 4: When you go to some kind of convention. There's the
Speaker 4: guys in the corner talking about they're out of bounce
Speaker 4: plays or they're splits and they're getting in the napkin
Speaker 4: in there se the other guys over there because they
Speaker 4: used to chease Vana. He was the first one talking
Speaker 4: about their contracts with TV GUIDs and who they're sponsoring,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think a lot of those guys.
Speaker 2: I think Saban probably was.
Speaker 4: One of those guys as much as he's big now
Speaker 4: and all this money and everything, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: hard for that. It would be hard for me, it'd
Speaker 4: be hard for anybody that you couldn't really coach them up.
Speaker 4: And you know you're you're not in control. Oh coach,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm leaving because I'm making this much more
Speaker 4: money there.
Speaker 2: You know, love, you tell you care about you. You
Speaker 2: know you've gone. And I understand the whole deal.
Speaker 4: I understand why they need to have the portal and
Speaker 4: all this, but I just hope that they get contracts
Speaker 4: for kids where if they leave, at least somebody's got
Speaker 4: to pay somebody. You know, there's something, you know, the
Speaker 4: pros they got a model. You know, what are we
Speaker 4: shine away from?
Speaker 2: You know? I used to call it. I call it now,
Speaker 2: uh work study. It is.
Speaker 4: We're just like somebody working in cafeteria. They work their employees,
Speaker 4: it's okay, and they get paid for what they do
Speaker 4: if they do something valuable to get paid. Now that's
Speaker 4: hard because the four string tackle isn't really Scholarship is
Speaker 4: forty thousand dollars pretty good for an eighteen year old
Speaker 4: kid that's not playing. Yeah, you know so anyway, No, no,
Speaker 4: you just you.
Speaker 3: Hit the nail on the head. What's happening is that
Speaker 3: they in college athletics now from my perspective, is that
Speaker 3: the genie is out of the bottle. And but and
Speaker 3: nobody knows where it's gonna go, uh next week. It's
Speaker 3: it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, it keeps getting more
Speaker 3: out of hand, more less and less able to grab
Speaker 3: it and to try and figure out what to what
Speaker 3: to do with it is the way I see it.
Speaker 3: I mean, whether it's Nick say in in in UH
Speaker 3: in football, whether it's Jay Wright at Villanova in NCAA basketball, UH,
Speaker 3: to the most accomplished coaches, uh, you know in their
Speaker 3: respective sports, who both had a lot still in front
Speaker 3: of them, and they they both you know, apparently just
Speaker 3: said forget, I can't I can't do it, you know,
Speaker 3: and and uh and hey, Randy Ray did that up
Speaker 3: the road at Weber State. Great great success up there,
Speaker 3: sixteen years winning always in the hunt for a conference championship.
Speaker 3: And at the end and near the end of February,
Speaker 3: and you know, and that and that thing came to
Speaker 3: him and he had a couple of his players is
Speaker 3: his last year, came and said, hey, an agent has
Speaker 3: contacted us and wants us to leave this week and
Speaker 3: and uh and all this kind of stuff to go
Speaker 3: overseas and whatever, and the you know, they end up staying.
Speaker 3: But you know, he was saying, well, that's if that's
Speaker 3: what it's going on now, like I can't deal with that,
Speaker 3: you know. And plus now, like he said to me,
Speaker 3: if I happen to get another Damian Lillard at State, right,
Speaker 3: I got him one year and then he's he's going
Speaker 3: to u c l A.
Speaker 2: Can you keep him for a year?
Speaker 3: No, No, that's that's that's also you know the way
Speaker 3: it is now. So yeah, it's it's just a whole
Speaker 3: different thing. And and and and Chris is exactly right.
Speaker 3: The guys who who were into it because they love
Speaker 3: the coaching and the x's and o's and the napkins
Speaker 3: and on the on the coffee table and all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and and now it's a whole different world.
Speaker 3: And and and why guys are getting into it from
Speaker 3: what I've seen in recent years, is a different rationale
Speaker 3: for getting into it. And it's it's not the same.
Speaker 3: And it's it's that roads diverged, you know. And as
Speaker 3: Jogi Bear said, you know, when I come to a
Speaker 3: fork in the road, I take it. You know, you
Speaker 3: know which which way you which way you're taking it.
Speaker 4: That's from his book. All I got the book. All
Speaker 4: the things he said, all the things I said, I
Speaker 4: never said.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: Every one of those stories, every one of those things
Speaker 4: has a little explanation.
Speaker 2: You know, that place is so crowded. Everybody goes there anymore.
Speaker 3: That's he used.
Speaker 4: They used to have to work in the off season.
Speaker 4: He was a mader d Yeah yeah, okay, yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: it got so crowded, a place came so popular, his
Speaker 4: guys didn't come. Yeah, so got so crowded, nobody came anymore.
Speaker 4: And that was his explanation. But anyway, it I do think,
Speaker 4: you know, we can't be whining about it being different
Speaker 4: and all this and that, but it is different. So
Speaker 4: your skills and what you grew up with and how
Speaker 4: you handle this maybe not the job for you. Anymore different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that and and and Kyle said
Speaker 3: that today. I think in the press he said some
Speaker 3: version of of Hey, the way it's changed now in
Speaker 3: recent years, you either adapt or or you or you
Speaker 3: choose option B.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is Yeah.
Speaker 4: My problem is is that is that some coach, you know, Kyle,
Speaker 4: gets a player, develops them. You know, that's our that
Speaker 4: was what made Kyle's program win in those great years.
Speaker 4: And but now you you know, it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: in basketball, Rick used to take the guy out, you know,
Speaker 4: if he didn't hustle.
Speaker 2: Now that Kai calls his uncle says okay, I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 4: It's like, who's the guy practice he's talking about?
Speaker 2: And the kids going with.
Speaker 4: I didn't get back on defense. And you know, Joey,
Speaker 4: I think you know, Texas is gonna take me. So
Speaker 4: it's kind of like how do you coach them up?
Speaker 4: And in basketball, one of my big concerns is that
Speaker 4: college basketball is dropping. And you'll see Kansas game crowded.
Speaker 4: In this game crowded, but you know, the Utthes aren't
Speaker 4: getting people. But it's not uncommon around the country. I mean,
Speaker 4: by U and Utah State do well. But you kind
Speaker 4: of fall in love with kids if you're a fan.
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard there from more people. You know,
Speaker 4: I bought my tickets and I'm watching Spence grow up
Speaker 4: as a sophomore and junior.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go back and see him.
Speaker 4: And in basketball it's different because you can see him
Speaker 4: and then the reality is should go and look and
Speaker 4: see where their family is. Kind of grow up thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: this is my team, these are my guys.
Speaker 2: I didn't know who's on a team this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit like fans.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be too corny, but they kind
Speaker 4: of fall in love with guys like I mean, hell
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: So you can't wait for I lost some weight stronger
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 4: He can shoot better from the outside, beat all those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just say it's you develop a relationship from
Speaker 3: your perspective. You think you know who they are and
Speaker 3: and something you know. It's just like running into you know,
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks at the airport and you know, you run
Speaker 3: up to hey Tom, you think he's gonna say, hey, hey, Chris,
Speaker 3: how you doing? You know whatever you know and and
Speaker 3: uh and and but it's always that that that feeling
Speaker 3: that you have with them now. You know, Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 3: was doing a little bit a while ago about growing
Speaker 3: up a Mets fan and all the guys he used
Speaker 3: to root for all this, all their career and stuff,
Speaker 3: and now he says they change, players change all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't even know who's who's playing anymore. But now
Speaker 3: I figure all I'm doing now is really basically rooting
Speaker 3: for laundry, because I'm just rooting for whoever's wearing the
Speaker 3: Mets shirt, whatever that is. You know, I'm rooting for
Speaker 3: that guy. I don't know who he is, but he's
Speaker 3: got my shirt on, so he must be one of
Speaker 3: my guys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, now the great Seinfeldt bit, let me ask
Speaker 1: you one more Utah football question, because I need to
Speaker 1: ask you point blank your opinion on exactly how we
Speaker 1: find ourselves here. And the hard thing about this topically,
Speaker 1: doctor Joe, is I do feel like you can be
Speaker 1: as reductive as saying if Cameron was healthy, everything would
Speaker 1: be different. I honestly feel that way. But we're talking
Speaker 1: seven straight l's and potentially eight, so on a scale
Speaker 1: of reductive Cam got hurt to holy smokes, how did
Speaker 1: we get here?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I think losing becomes a habit too, you know, and
Speaker 4: you lose your confidence and you know, our defense, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, God bless them, they're doing great, but it
Speaker 4: kind of the end of the game, they kind of
Speaker 4: have no confidence and the team goes down the scores.
Speaker 4: I mean, they kicked butt for you know, a whole time,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden something happened. So it's snowballs.
Speaker 4: It's not like we're getting beatd by forty and you
Speaker 4: just call it a day. But I you know, the
Speaker 4: quarterback has obviously it's a quarterback game on offense.
Speaker 2: So could they have better people back up?
Speaker 4: It's pretty hard to quarterbacks, are It's not ey, no
Speaker 4: spoiled kids, and do they really want to sit on
Speaker 4: the bench and wait their turn. So it's worse than
Speaker 4: it's ever been, you know, So I do think it's
Speaker 4: part that. I think it's part the fact that your
Speaker 4: mojo gets down a little bit, you know, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden it just snowballs. And you know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to get back to the other thing we're
Speaker 4: just talking about, but you know, or nine guys on
Speaker 4: a team that played against BYU at one time, nine
Speaker 4: guys wild Yeah, so I mean, it's not like they're
Speaker 4: passionate about the utes because they also got Uncle Joe
Speaker 4: talking about another school. So when it starts to go south,
Speaker 4: especially in football where you're hitting each other day, you
Speaker 4: know it's no fun. And we all know basketballs it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter, But I mean football, it's a hard thing.
Speaker 4: When it's cold out, you're hitting each other and you're
Speaker 4: starting to lose. So I think it's a snowball effect.
Speaker 4: And you can't outdo the fact that when you have
Speaker 4: a good quarterback, life changes.
Speaker 1: Just out of pure curiosity, because honestly don't know, I
Speaker 1: just ream. Remember after the Rose Bowls, the back to
Speaker 1: back Rose Bowls, Fox thirteen did a really good piece
Speaker 1: on what that meant for the athletic department, what it
Speaker 1: meant for the University of Utah, how much free advertising,
Speaker 1: how much free exposure it allowed for the institution, and
Speaker 1: therefore out of state enroollees were up as well. During
Speaker 1: a year where you don't make a bowl game, what
Speaker 1: sort of administrative consequences, if any, are there since they're
Speaker 1: not going bowling this.
Speaker 4: Year, Well, they're the bulls you don't make money on.
Speaker 4: But I got you got to believe that people are saying, well,
Speaker 4: I really want to big one with tickets. You know,
Speaker 4: am I going to donate as much this year? You know,
Speaker 4: people start to get soft, so you worry. You worry financially,
Speaker 4: and you worry about the image with you know, to
Speaker 4: recruit new kids. And you know, losing is you know,
Speaker 4: it's brutal. You know there's no way about nowhere around it.
Speaker 4: And winning is off the chart the other way yep,
Speaker 4: you know. So I mean they're they're they're not selling
Speaker 4: t shirts. I'll tell you that right now. So every
Speaker 4: little thing along the way hurts you financially. And you know,
Speaker 4: we've talked about Greg a lot and Marston and you
Speaker 4: know he's a dear friend and whatever, but he said,
Speaker 4: whenever we won in football, we go to national championship
Speaker 4: games and they think we were one fantastic athletic department.
Speaker 4: If we weren't, they say, now, you guys in Logan
Speaker 4: or some like yeah, provol and bristle at that stuff.
Speaker 4: It's even bigger now. So you know it's why that
Speaker 4: football coaches get paid a lot. Man, It changes the
Speaker 4: whole deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most states, they're the highest paid public employees. In
Speaker 1: my home state Connecticut. It's the basketball coach because Yukon's
Speaker 1: a basketball school.
Speaker 2: But Smitty, let me go to you on this.
Speaker 1: So we're nearing the end of football season, so Friday
Speaker 1: is the final game for the Utes, and after that's
Speaker 1: kind of behind us. We'll lean a little bit more
Speaker 1: into our Utah men's basketball coverage for our listeners out
Speaker 1: there that aren't acutely aware of how ridiculous the Big
Speaker 1: Twelve is in men's basketball, put a little context on
Speaker 1: what Craig and his group are up against coming up
Speaker 1: this year as a new member of the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: Well, the Big Twelve in recent years has been considered
Speaker 3: by most so called experts or those who are weigh
Speaker 3: in anyway, as the toughest college men's college basketball conference
Speaker 3: in the country, Tougher than the ACC, tougher than the
Speaker 3: Big Ten, tougher than the SEC, and and the Utes
Speaker 3: are going to have a hard time because in part
Speaker 3: I think, I think, first of all, I don't know
Speaker 3: what kind of favors they're doing themselves with the preseason
Speaker 3: schedule that they have this year. They play one team
Speaker 3: from from my from my point of view, one team
Speaker 3: of any note before the conference season. That's when they
Speaker 3: play Saint Mary's in a few weeks. Otherwise they're playing
Speaker 3: all these schools that are the sisters of the poor
Speaker 3: and whatever to and and I and and I get it.
Speaker 3: I know what the what the end game is that
Speaker 3: they're trying to go into the conference season, you know,
Speaker 3: with a ten and one record or an eleven and
Speaker 3: two record or whatever. It's gonna be so that they
Speaker 3: look good when they get into the conference. But but
Speaker 3: when you get to the conference, you're talking about you know, Kansas,
Speaker 3: You're talking about Iowa State, You're talking about Houston, You're
Speaker 3: talking about Baylor. You're talking about Arizona. You're talking about
Speaker 3: an up and coming BYU team that has a couple
Speaker 3: of really good NBA prospects on the team. You're talking
Speaker 3: about Texas Tech. You're talking about a solid Colorado team.
Speaker 3: You're talking about West Virginia, Kant. Yeah, you know, you're
Speaker 3: going down. You're going down the list, and it's it's
Speaker 3: a long list, and and it's it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 3: to see. Now, you don't play everybody in the conference
Speaker 3: right the way it wasn't isn't football. You play a
Speaker 3: certain number of teams and and a certain number of
Speaker 3: home home games and road games, and so you don't
Speaker 3: play everybody, so sometimes you can escape, you know, and
Speaker 3: avoid playing a few big boys along the way. But
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be a very interesting season. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be fun to see some of those teams that do
Speaker 3: come in, that come into the Hunts and Center this
Speaker 3: year to play, whether it's Kansas or whether it's Baylor.
Speaker 3: You know, some of these you know, really b y
Speaker 3: U is going to be a big game because they're
Speaker 3: they're very good, and these are gonna be tough games,
Speaker 3: and I imagine the fans will show up. But but Chris,
Speaker 3: I think, unfortunately, I think at this moment in time
Speaker 3: for Craig Smith, who's trying to build his program in
Speaker 3: his fourth year, you know, fans are going to be
Speaker 3: showing up to these conference games this year to see.
Speaker 2: The other team. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right on
Speaker 2: the mark.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: And then I come in to see the youth unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because I've been to some of the youth games already,
Speaker 3: and as frank Leyden would would often say, you know,
Speaker 3: the game was just a rumor because there were like
Speaker 3: two or three hundred people there. You know whatever.
Speaker 4: We went to the game together with Frank and Smith.
Speaker 4: My first game we went to on Saturday and Frank
Speaker 4: Frank is Frank is Nieva. But you know, it's interesting
Speaker 4: dynamic because now you know, it's like the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: A little bit don't have to have is you have
Speaker 2: to have some marks in your false season.
Speaker 4: It's really important in this and you know you need
Speaker 4: four or five to make a mark and then you
Speaker 4: have nothing to lose on them. You go three and
Speaker 4: two against some top teams. You know, even if you
Speaker 4: have to go to tournaments to play them. You know
Speaker 4: you're seeing Duke play Kentucky, right, or Duke plays Arizona
Speaker 4: or something like that. Well, neither team has anything to lose,
Speaker 4: and it really don't. And I know how that works.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of the formula. You've got to make
Speaker 4: sure you have enough wins in non conference against a
Speaker 4: few good teams. But if you finish in the middle
Speaker 4: of the Pac twelve and you've got three or four
Speaker 4: tough wins in the non you're in. You're in and
Speaker 4: maybe got a decent seed. You know they'll get eight
Speaker 4: teams in at least. Yeah, it's it's quite a challenge.
Speaker 1: And Craig is very front facing about it and you know,
Speaker 1: optimistic and you know, believes they'll get there. They were
Speaker 1: picked to finish last in the conference. But let me
Speaker 1: follow up doctor Hill on a question that we've discussed before.
Speaker 1: And if there was an easy answer, you just do
Speaker 1: it and you saw the thing. But as you know,
Speaker 1: I was a student at Utah in the late nineties.
Speaker 1: We planned our weeks around basketball games and it was
Speaker 1: always jam packed and it was so fun. And whenever
Speaker 1: I go up to the Huntsman, now I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like you're in some fever dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really it's hard.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think when we you know, obviously when Rick left,
Speaker 4: it was you know, not only we were winning, we
Speaker 4: also had a guy in the sidelines that.
Speaker 2: People came to watch him. Yes, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: they really did.
Speaker 4: And you know, we had a couple of NJA tournament
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Larry went to the sweet sixteen,
Speaker 4: and we started to creep up a little bit with attendance.
Speaker 4: So you got to win. But I mentioned earlier, I'm
Speaker 4: worried about college basketball. Yeah, I really am. I mean,
Speaker 4: we have a lot of people like basketball, and but
Speaker 4: Utah States been winning like crazy BYU is different. I
Speaker 4: mean they have always have great attendance, even on some
Speaker 4: down years. But you know, now with a new coach
Speaker 4: and the players are getting and all that stuff, so
Speaker 4: you know, it is it's a shocker, you know when
Speaker 4: you go in now and you think those that are
Speaker 4: around in the nineties were like we played ten o'clock games.
Speaker 4: Oh I remember, and they were packed. Yes, I remember.
Speaker 4: Now you play a seven thirty game, you go on,
Speaker 4: I guess and what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Well? I tell people this.
Speaker 4: You know, A good time to start a game is
Speaker 4: when your team's great. You know, that's it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: What's a good seat in the house when your team wins,
Speaker 4: that's all. The seats are good when you win. Yeah,
Speaker 4: none are good. The hot dose are cold. Everything's bad
Speaker 4: when you lose. Right, So until they they can win significantly,
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be tough coming back.
Speaker 2: But a lot of schools are in there now. It's
Speaker 2: sad to say, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Smitty, before we take our break and I let
Speaker 1: you guys go, we probably should talk about some jazz,
Speaker 1: since that's why we have you here.
Speaker 2: More oft than not.
Speaker 1: So I'll say this, over the past seven or eight games, offensively,
Speaker 1: they've been a lot better. Their offensive rating over the
Speaker 1: past eight games is like number seven in the NBA.
Speaker 1: Now they do not guard anybody, knock down a bunch
Speaker 1: of shots against the Knicks, but they have been offensively,
Speaker 1: I'll give them that. Anything standing out to you over
Speaker 1: the past seven eight games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they they they made some shots in a
Speaker 3: few games. Okay. John Collins playing at the five has helped.
Speaker 3: I think somewhat they get a little bit. You know,
Speaker 3: he's playing very efficiently to this point, do you realize
Speaker 3: they've played John Collins has played all in all sixteen
Speaker 3: games the Jazz have played so far, do you realize
Speaker 3: John Collins has missed one free throw?
Speaker 2: Well, that's impressive.
Speaker 3: He's forty seven for forty eight from the free throw
Speaker 3: you're kidding, you knowssed. But but he's playing efficiently at
Speaker 3: the five spot. They still turn the ball over too much.
Speaker 3: They're still too loose with it. The transition defense, their
Speaker 3: man to man defense is really bad. There's still bottom
Speaker 3: five in all the statistical categories that that hasn't improved.
Speaker 3: It looks like they're trying to play some different guys,
Speaker 3: some different lineups, just to get something something going. They
Speaker 3: played very well against nick Ay. I was impressed with
Speaker 3: the fact that they had a twenty point lead early
Speaker 3: in the third quarter. The Knicks went on a seventeen
Speaker 3: to oh run nineteen pointy got it down to two,
Speaker 3: and I thought, well, they're just gonna keep it rolling.
Speaker 3: And the Jazz turn around and came right back with
Speaker 3: a run of their own and bumped it back up
Speaker 3: to twelve fourteen and ended up being able to close
Speaker 3: the game out. That was a good game for them.
Speaker 3: Now they're gonna have an interesting stretch here. They play
Speaker 3: four games in the next six days starting Tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: Spens very interesting in the NBA schedule. They played two
Speaker 3: back to back sets at home, which is very unusual.
Speaker 3: They play Tuesday night, Wednesday night, then they get two
Speaker 3: days off with Thanksgiving, then they play Saturday night, Sunday
Speaker 3: night at all four of those games right at home
Speaker 3: into Delta Center. And then in the month of December
Speaker 3: with the NBA Cup thing that you got a couple
Speaker 3: flex games that they're gonna haven't assigned yet, but they're
Speaker 3: gonna end up basically playing eight of nine game on
Speaker 3: the road during the bulk part of December, and so
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a tough stretch for them. So they're
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna find out a lot about who they are,
Speaker 3: you know, during the stretch once they get to the
Speaker 3: Christmas holidays, you know, and and what the rotations are
Speaker 3: gonna be, and what the younger guys are doing within
Speaker 3: the lineup. Cody Williams hasn't shown up at all yet
Speaker 3: for me, they just call him the league brother the way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well they should. Well, while we had we had this discussion,
Speaker 3: uh the other day with someone you know, saying that
Speaker 3: really the I think it was on our show last
Speaker 3: week with Bowler when he mentioned the fact that, you know,
Speaker 3: we have the G League team, which is a developmental team. Well,
Speaker 3: most of the Jazz guys who are playing now should
Speaker 3: be on the G League team. That's what the G
Speaker 3: League is for. That's what those guys are supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Twenty year old guys, twenty one year old guys one
Speaker 3: year in college here they come, not ready to play
Speaker 3: in the NBA, but they but they're force feeding him
Speaker 3: at the NBA. Okay, I get it. I understand the
Speaker 3: wise of it, But but it's not. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: how much it's helping them because they're they're getting their
Speaker 3: heads knocked around most nights, and they should really be
Speaker 3: in in the G league setting where they can get
Speaker 3: better run, more extended run, and be able to get
Speaker 3: some level of success and taste that a little bit
Speaker 3: to see what it is at the pro level. That's
Speaker 3: but but that that that's gonna be an interesting time
Speaker 3: between now and the Christmas holidays in the jazz schedule.
Speaker 1: Well, look, gentlemen, always a pleasure. Thanks so much, live
Speaker 1: in studio, have a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Love to do it again.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I really appreciate it. It's comfortable with you here,
Speaker 4: and I can say some things I want to say
Speaker 4: that I love it so Richard Smith.
Speaker 2: Great to see you, my friends.
Speaker 3: Men's thanks Man, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everybody out there.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: They've traveled