Speaker 1: What is up, Fellows, It goes, I am damn Valley
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about and more sad.
Speaker 2: News to talk about.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, with Jason Tatum, will probably dig into that first
before we belly flop into it all though, brand how
the heck are you?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little taken aback at like how many
big news things happened all in one day or like
one thirty six hour stretch. So we got a lot
of get lots to get through. So it's not about me,
It's about the pod Today.
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum fourth quarter injury against the Knicks goes after
a loose ball like off a Jalen Brown turnover. On
the replay, it looked like in Achilles. His reaction was
gut wrenching. That's we're recording this. We do not have
any confirmation as to what the injury actually is, but
I felt like his reaction actually said it all. And
I don't know how to feel. I know that these
are players that are in the public eye, but when
you see sort of the the trauma content of him
in a wheelchair with his hands in his face, maybe crying.
It resonates, for sure, but it also feels like intrusive
upon which would be a really intimate personal moment, and
now it's just going around for everyone to see. It's
you hope for the best, but like this seems like
a worst case scenario that's going to have ramifications on
the Celtics well beyond this series against the next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to unpack. I mean, I I
texted you, what did I say, like broken foot question
or something like that, because the I hadn't seen the
like I hadn't seen the angle. That made it fairly,
I mean not fairly, made it very clear the Achilles
was involved. I'd seen the above, like the bird's eye
angle when I texted you, and it looked you could
just see like the foot tweak. And it turns out
that's probably because the Achilles kind of let go and
that's why the foot like looked like it. And then
I found myself hoping, like, oh, I hope it's a
broken foot, you know, But I thought his reaction was
because because that's part of the reason I didn't think
Achilles right away, because his reaction was was more pronounced
than usual, because usually the reaction involves like confusion, because
that you always hear guys felt like they got kicked
or something and they look behind them and and it's
it's not like you think of like Lillard or you
think of Kobe, or you think of all these other
guys that have had it had the Achilles injury, and
they're not they don't react the way Tatum did. But
I think it's because he knew, and I think it
was more of an emotion, like it hit him pretty quickly.
This is a big one and like all the costs
that we're going to talk about, I think hit him
at once, and the you know, it's really hard to
to we're not far enough away from it, but I do.
My My feeling right now is his reaction was endearing
in a way because it's like he doesn't react that
way if he doesn't care, and like no one's ever
said like, oh Tatum doesn't care, like quite the opposite.
But it does drive home the point like how how
important all this, Like this is like playing professional basketball
and winning a championship and trying to hold this team
together and like that's like that's everything and you saw
that all come out, and so it was a very
human moment. Having said that, the like camera in the
tunnel on him in the wheelchair, I could have done without, Yeah,
because that crossed over from it's it's endearing and you're
like with him to this feels like an intrusion and
this feels like a moment we shouldn't be seeing, like
we get it, like he's devastated. I don't need I
don't I didn't need to see the like let's follow
him further down this like grieving process, I guess is
what he's in. You know. So that was tough. But
so that stuff aside, like I think unless you have
more on just the sort of in the moment stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in the moment, it's it's these injuries are
never good, but this is someone who was in the
middle of like one of his best playoff games ever.
Was really like the shots that he was taking and
the stakes are just so high. But also just seeing
the reaction from the Knicks themselves where it's if you
go back and watch it, you just see Karl Anthony
Towns's face. Even Jaaln Brunton afterwards was saying that there
was nothing to celebrate, and a lot of people were
just kind of interpreting that as jobs not done, which
to some extent I'm sure it was, yeah, but it
was also just kind of like you go back to
his postgame comments and just feeling kind of muted. It
just felt like it sucked the air out of all
that because they understand what it is. And look, in
Tatum's case, he has a shit ton of money. It's
good for him that he signed his contract when he
did and that's going to be guaranteed.
Speaker 2: And he got a title too, by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he got a title as he didn't win
finals MVP. But no one's ever questioned whether he's I
mean some people have, but no one who's looking to
have a real conversation has ever questioned that he's the
best player, right. And look, he's young enough to where
you hope that he can come back in a similar
vein to Kevin Durant was older and like Kevin Durant
came back and was still very close to Kevin Durant.
And it's not like for all that Jason Tatum does,
it doesn't He's not overly reliant on explosive movements. But
you do sort of wonder when you get into the
like his on ball like shimmys and directionality and like
getting to that side step three pointer. Then just also
probably just one of the more I don't even want
to say underrated but understated defenders in the league because
of all the things that he could do. No, you
don't necessarily want him checking the primary guy and the
other team. Does that get impacted at all? You just
you hope we're reaching the point in modern medicine where Okay,
the recovery time is the recovery time next year is
probably gone. But when you come back, like is this
more of an you know, like ACL's were at one
point considering like career ending, if not altering, and maybe
we get to a point where Achilles aren't you hope
that you could see this or at least hope that
he comes back still a star and doesn't have to
deal with reaggravation. It just and the other thing I'm
struggling with just to like the reaction of it all
is you you have to think about like the long
term implications of this, which feels so inhumane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a.
Speaker 1: Way, because it's just like but there's a series to
play and this was already just a team that ownership
is changing. They're so expensive, and you and I have
talked a lot about probably all the like the real
changes won't come until twenty twenty six, and now you're
sort of wondering, like, well, does this accelerate that process?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It does. I agree, there's not a good transition
into this stuff, but like among the ripple effects you
have to think about, and like that's the other thing
is like, for all the reasons we said and some
will get into this felt like a the significance of
this injury. I struggle to think of one that felt
as like as big of a deal because of all
the fallout that there will be, like for him, for
Tatum personally, what this means for the rest of his career,
what this means for Boston, what this means for the
rest of the league, because like, this takes a team
that now, granted I think the Knicks, we're gonna win
that game anyway, and I think the Knicks we're gonna
win the series anyway. But this, this kneecaps a first
tier contender certainly for next year, and and to what
you're getting at, like this, this Celtics roster was getting
so expensive that you know we were gonna put it
off for another year. But I do think there would
have been conversations had sort of with a little more
urgency anyway, if Tatum had stayed healthy and the Celtics
had lost this game and then go on to lose
the series, and those conversations would have been about do
we trade Drew Holliday, Can we move Jalen Brown? What
about Porzingis there's all these, you know, financial considerations to
make for a team that just got too expensive, and
if it's not winning titles then you can't justify that
expense under the current collective bargaining agreement. So I mean,
don't you think that this summer now there will like
someone from the Celtics top six guys or seven or
however deep you want to go, will will change teams
this summer. Isn't that so much more likely now because
next year is a last year as far as Boston
being a like a top flight title contender, you just
can't view them that way.
Speaker 1: No, you can't. And I think you could have even
said that one of them just because Al Horford by
virtue being a free agent. So now you get into
the concept is it going to be two?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Because how do you even it'd be interesting to look
at it? If you don't do anything, if you run
it back, you're gonna be good enough to maybe even
be a top four seed in the EY.
Speaker 2: Just fifty games is totally doable for a tatumless Celtics
team next year.
Speaker 1: Do you like it's tough to approach it in any
way because what does Tatum look like when he comes back?
Because couldn't there be a temptation to sort of say,
can you move basically everyone of the core except maybe
Jalen Brown and Derek White and then you hope that
you draft pick next year is hot, because like that's
at least something that the Celtics are. They have most
of their own draft picks moving forward. I think it's
the only swap that they owe to San Antonio down
the line from that Derek White trade. So it's just like,
do you look at it through that lens or is
it like that's a weird way to do it when
you don't know what Tatum's gonna look like upon back,
And do you sort of like the Jalen Brown of
it all? I guess because that's the player everyone's identified
just because he's so expensive and he'd be so desirable
on the trade market that Okay, no, you're not going
to trade him off rip or just for anything. But
is it now do you need him more like moving
forward because of this Tatum injury or is it do
you view it as like we really just need to
materially change the makeup of our team and somehow you
need him less. I think I tilt towards the former.
You certainly need him more next year, but moving forward,
I'm kind of like, like, if you need like this
need not needs to be the guy, but this might
need to be more of like a totally equitable partnership
in so far as it wasn't already. But it does
make it difficult to time, like because the idea of
a gap it actually might be somewhat intriguing. But how
do you even do that if you have Jalen Brown
and Derek White on your tea? How can you be
sure that you're gonna be bad enough to capitalize on
a gap year?
Speaker 2: Right? I my goat says that the Celtics will peel
off a piece or two from that group we're talking
about still be very good next year, make the playoffs,
maybe win around something like that, and then then maybe
it changes again over the following off season. Like I
think the thing I feel pretty confident about is that
when Tatum is back and you know, close to full powers,
whatever that looks like, the Boston team around him, I
think is going to be pretty different. Like I like,
I Holiday probably won't be there Horford. I mean, Horford
may have retired, but you know by then, because we're
talking about what twenty six, twenty seven is the season
that he'll be because we assume he misses all of
next year and even then, like the KD rehab was
eighteen months. Part of that was because there was the
what the bubble stuff like that that overlapped into the
COVID year. But KAD took a long time to get back. Now,
Tatum's young, couple years younger than Durant was at the time.
But even when Durant was back, he had health issue,
Like Durant wasn't really himself until like two full years.
I don't feel like after so it just the Celtics
as we know them, Like this group is not gonna
be on a big stage again, because there will be one.
I don't think they reach a big stage next year,
and two a piece or two will be gone and
then the following year, who knows. Like it just that's
part of the reason it felt like such a significant injury.
Is it like, oh, this alter is like two full
years of a contender and maybe is the end of
this version of the team and then you can even
expand out from there. It's like, well, what's this dude
to the East hierarchy because Cleveland doesn't look super powerful?
Is like are the Pacers going to be the best
team in the East for a couple of years now?
Like there's just all these all these variables and then
that's to say nothing of like wealth the Celtics do
trade Jalen Brown or whatever or holiday or like where
do they where those guys go? And what does that
do to the hierarchy and the conference? Like or do
they leave the conference entirely and the East gets even weaker?
I don't know. It just it's a huge deal for
like every every possible reason, you know what I mean,
like personally, team wide, league wise, Like it's it's all
just it's all factoring in.
Speaker 1: And the final thing for me because like we can
talk about what the Celtics might do over the offseason
once it actually is their off season, Like they're still
in a playoff series and they're still a good team,
and like the Knicks are they've been they feel like
the team of destiny right now. But like we've seen
enough of New York across the entire year, Like we
had these concerns, those concerns still exist. If yeah, it
wouldn't shock me if there's a Game seven in this year.
They don't know how I'm going to predict it, but
that I don't want to get too much in the offseason.
But I do feel like, and you kind of alluded
to this, The thing that I keep coming back to
is this reinforces what I think both you and I
have been preaching for years. At this point, windows in
the NBA are just so f leading, and that's why
it's paramount to operate with sensible urgency. It's not you
know what the Pelicans did around those Anthony Davis days
and even some of the Zion Williams and stuff. No,
you don't want to replicate that. You don't want to
go all in too fast. But I think looking at
someone like a team like the Spurs, or let's even
more so, say the Rockets, who haven't kind of made
that big trade yet. This is why. Yeah, some of
it's just it's the easy thing to talk about, but
it's also everyone who has followed this league, has covered
this league, understands that even when you think something is
built to last, right, it's not. It's a free agency decision,
a trade demand, an injury, a luxury tax bill away
from just going up in flames. And I don't think
this is going to be the last we hear of
the Tatum headline Celtics, the Celtics as we know them,
Like you said, like this run is just like this
team is going to look materially different by the time
that Tatum plays again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a dividing line. I think in this era
of Celtics basketball, like it, you know, and really like
the before period on on the one side of that
line was like pretty long. Because this goes back this
sort of I include like the Kyrie era Celtics and
the first go around Horford cel and like the you know,
the Jalen Brown is a rookie in the playoffs, like
that kind of we go back up. That's a long
time ago, really in like NBA terms, and then you
get the title last year and this happens. I mean,
look they made the finals twenty two. Also, like this
has been a long run by NBA standards of like
major success, they consistent success too, like built mostly from
within if you just think of the Brown and Tatum.
Speaker 1: Duo, right like courtesy of Brooklyn, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Curtesy of Brooklyn. But and now it's asked too, we're
starting the after phase, so it's like, what what is that?
How many holdovers will there be? Like will they ever
approach the level of success they have? Probably not. I
don't think Tatum wins another title in Boston. If he does,
it will mean that they got somebody as good as
him or bet right, like we're in that phase of it.
Speaker 1: Probably the thing I had thought this would be the
cold callous way of looking at it, and I just
don't want to get to but like, is there would
you trade this offseason Jaalen Brown for Cooper flag?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Dallas calls and says, we want. I think everyone expects
that Dallas to make that pick. But like something I.
Speaker 2: Would, I would, wouldn't you would? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I think I probably would too. And what
people forget is the idea of giving up a number
one pick for Jalen Brown seems like a lot, I think,
But like Cooper Flag is very much a theory by
NBA standards right now, I have I will say, I've
had someone. This is not like I don't want to
be like super source here, someone I very much trust
said that Cooper Flag is the best NBA prospect they've
seen since Lebron. James and I followed up and they said,
I am aware that Luka Dancicic and Victor woman Yama
exist and I just so, but it's still very much
a theory because what you know, like Zion Williamson was
the best prospect since Lebron, and he's kind of lived
up to the hype of the durability, isn't there right?
That would be interesting from Boston's perspective because it's you
are punting on certainty, but you're adding a level of
cost control to your future as well as someone who
theoretically could be as good, if not better than a
Jay said, I don't look at too, but I'm just like, yeah,
that the lens that this team all of a sudden
has to evaluate itself against of we might need to
endure not just near term pain, but like longer term
growing pains to set ourselves up for a version of
the Boston Celtics that can contend maybe with Jason Tatum,
but where Jason Tatum is not your best player.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean that's and that's a hard because,
like I think one of them, I don't know if
it's a knock, but like nobody ever, Tatum is never
seriously contended for an MVP, right, So he was always
you know, he's been first.
Speaker 1: Three top five finishes now right though, or it will.
Speaker 2: Be right, but never, but he was never like I
think you know who actually should win it as tATu.
It was never. That was never the argument. And now
it's like, well what level can we expect him to
get to? And the answer is probably like maybe all NBA,
but like further down, like I would be shocked if
he didn't make a bunch of more All Star Games
once he's back, just because the floor is he's just
I mean, he's great.
Speaker 1: He's and he's so plug and play for a star.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, And maybe there's a version of him, like
the post recovery version of him is like, no, he
really just just he's more of a four now and
he just beats up you know, other wings and like
his game changes a little bit, or like I think
everybody would be fine and see value in him, maybe
not at like a max salary, as like just a
deadly six' ten spot up shooter that, like you, know
he's gonna have a ton of. Value BUT i think
what we're both kind of circling around is like he's
not gonna be the best player on a championship winning. Team,
AGAIN i. DON'T i don't think that's a realistic.
Speaker 1: Expectation, NO i think and that's the best way to
frame it IS i will root for it because that'd
be really cool to, see of, course of, course but
like history just tells us that's not going to be the.
Case and the one thing that maybe he has going for,
him and this would normally be WHERE i in sort
of a nineteen year old, joke but this isn't really like laughing.
Matters is he really he is super? Young, yeah maybe
that benefits him and is recovery and whatever comes. Next
so nothing but the best to. Him but this is
just you said it in our. Discord go join our.
Discord this is league altering injury type, stuff and it's
a big. One there is still basketball to talk, about,
though between The celtics and The, knicks which you did mention.
IT i think what Makes game four special is that
The knicks were gonna win that before The Jason tatum.
Injury you could just sense it when they were, like
and this was the game they did fall behind, by
like they have to fall behind by double digits because
that's what they. DO i don't, know.
Speaker 2: It's like the same script every, time it feels, like.
Speaker 1: But this game was was special, because, like The celtics
were hitting their threes by and, large and then The knicks,
offense which has been a sore spot for the entire,
playoffs takes off in the second. Half Michael bridges is
apparently all of a sudden like the best closer. ALIVE
i think there's been a Lot there's a lot of
different things to talk. About my biggest takeaway from that
game from The knicks perspective is, though, like has it
maybe this should mean more to me, specifically but do
you has it ever resonated with you That Jalen brunson
has probably for the first time Since Patrick, ewing which
is a long time, ago. Folks given The knicks a
best player who can actually be the best player on
a title contender like that was just sort of. Mine,
Like boston's defense is. Good they were super aggressive with.
Him he's still getting like you look at the shots
he was, hitting like through the first three quarters of that.
Game like just his ability as a small guard. Too
it doesn't, honestly it doesn't make any, sense, Right.
Speaker 2: YEAH i MEAN i remember talking about this last. Postseason
it's a version of it where it struck me how
awesome it was that The knicks were relevant and that
The garden crowd was like losing its mind because it
could feel collectively, like, oh and it was different because
last year's team was MORE i don't, Know brunson was
was basically as good last year, too but it was more,
like isn't this team like scrapping hard and isn't it
fun to watch the offensive rebounding and to see, guys you,
Know Josh heart playing forty whatever minutes and all. That
there was all that stuff there this. Year though to your,
point it's just, like so just to use Game game
four as the, example you AND i mentioned the script
thing you. COULD i had the thought like early third
quarter of like it's happening, again you, know the just
this IT'S i feel, it like it's that's the BEST
i ALMOST i, think LIKE i didn't audibly say, that
but that was verbatim the thought in my. Head as
The celtics continue to like just kind of look for
one kind of shot for the most. Part you, Know
tatum did go bang around inside a little bit, more
but like and And brunson just is finding ways to
score from. Everywhere AND i had the thought, of, LIKE
i think that might Be brunson's like real like defining
skill is there's not really a spot on the floor
that you can direct him to where he's not. Dangerous
and it's like there's not really a particular shot that he's,
hunting like he'll take the step back three and just
somehow the one he hit one, OVER i think he
hit one Over tatum from the right. Wing it might
have even been. PORSONING i think it Was. Tatum and
it's just like that's a six' ten guy closing out
on what's bruntson realistically six,' to, One six' two like
it just that he can hit that and that he
can get into the mid range and just pivot and
figure it out go over either shoulder that he can
somehow finish inside despite like not any kind of. Real
SIZE or length like i think that's, what makes him
special is like you know he's going to try to
score and you don't know, where it's coming from and
he doesn't care. Where it comes from like he's that
well rounded. As an offensive player that and in a
playoff series where, like everything is about let's take away
the thing the guy. Wants to Do most HE'S, LIKE
brunson's OPTIONS bc d and e are just like THEY'RE
indistinguishable from. Option A for him and i think that
as we see more, and more of him just continue
to do, This in playoff series i'm kind of landing
on like that's that's a lot of. What it is
is it's just like there's nowhere you can send. HIM
that he's, uncomfortable i don't, know it's it's amazing this Is,
what he's just yeah he's the best player in the
series and the series Until the end Of Game. Four
involved jason tatum like that's that's a, big thing to say.
Speaker 1: And IT just to appreciate i won't do like the
super cherry pick stuff. With the stat thing so he finished,
with thirty nine points twelve, assists in one turnover which
is that's is that, a typo Territory right especially against
boston he has.
Speaker 2: The, Ball so much too like? How is that Possible.
Speaker 1: Here's every player grant who, has games of it like
more than thirty five. Points IN ten asists so i
feel like those are fair benchmarks with no more than
a single turnover. In a playoff game. Lebron's Done it
twice michael jordan did. It In, ninety two clyde drexler
who just always shows. Up in these things, klaidejuxch was
so underrated also did. It In ninety two nicola jokicch
did it last, year because of Course And now there's
jalen bruns, and that's just it and it's just it.
Was A special performance but i think what's also Been special.
From The nix's perspective tom Thibodau Is out coached joe.
Mozoula in this series WHEN you look at i think
that you can still Be frustrated with, the KNICKS'S offensive
PROCESS and i honestly i felt different than you because.
THERE was the play i think it was? That the
third quarter was? It the fourth quarter everything's blurwing together
After That night where josh, hart Forces A Turnover then
carl anthony towns immediately turns it back over and then
like it Winds Up in a derek, white wide open
three and he just felt like it sucked the Air out,
of THE knicks momentum and, i was, just like all
right like it's gonna, be two to two this is. How.
It's gonna go Ye, credit, TO the knicks though i
Think You can fault tom thibodeau for them not finding sort.
Of their scrappiness earlier but they have, found it at
all and it's been a lot of the buttons. That
he's been pushing their. Defense has been different they're like
they've switched way more yeah this series than at Any
Point under. The tom thibodeau era You Have to like
karnthy towns has, some really good moments like when he's
caught on an island with GUYS still just not i just.
Don't trust that dude it was The. Same story in,
MINNESOTA it WAS like i Just I Don't. Trust karl
anthony towns he's been great at points and when he's
AN aggressivecore, of the nixt better but there's too much
up and DOWN the thing that i thought was bold
and if you would, HAVE asked me this i would
have told you there's no way in. Hell it's gonna
Work you're putting McHale bridges in the fourth quarter basically
by himself Is, the Like no towns no brunson is
the primary scorer so that you can try and capitalize
Off of like the. Cornett, or presingis Minutes yeah and
mchal bridges just is not. Missing from mid range it
still MAKES me uneasy because i feel like he's perpetually going,
away from the, basket like the shots. Even his set
shots it feels, like there's a lean but he's getting
it done, in the fourth quarter and, if You include
overtime og ananobi is just. TO me very clearly i
don't know if you. FEEL the same way i don't even.
Find a debate anymore is the second most important player
on this team because of, what he does defensively and
just like he has leveled up his offense where the
escape dribble threes can do a little bit. More things on,
drives not. A Playmaker but all anthony towns isn't a,
live dribble Playmaker Either, neither is Michel bridges but like TIB's,
kind of empowering him and they shifted a lot, of
the excuse me and this is A this is. A
TIBs Thing too when jalen brunson was out, with that
Spraining ankle that's when ognnobe. Kind of really popped tibbs
kind Of Shifted more of michal bridges's Usage on offense
to ognnobi after. BRUNTS and came back i think, that
was really smart and now he's also kind of figuring
out how to balance. It all With that like McHale,
Bridge's Fourth quarter stuff josh hart is just he, should
be a liability but it's that dude Is. SUCH a
bell Weather I love, watching josh hart play even when
like the three point stuff is, going to Be Frustrating
going To Mitchell robinson and karlthy towns to Gather More
or even mitchell. Robinson more in general he logged twenty
Five plus, minutes in game four his second most, minutes
OF the season and i know he hasn't played, a ton,
this season but like this is someone who's not known as,
a high minutes guy especially Now that you have towns and.
With the injury stuff there's just been a Lot of
things that TIBBS has, done THAT i like and i all,
The same concerns remain and if you're worried, about title
windows expiring the fact that he leans on his, TOP
guy so much i do find myself thinking now when
you look at The state of The, celtics of the
east like this Just might be the knicks's best and
old chance to win a. Title WITH this group and
i think you can, sit here and say if you
believe that, a more inventive, approach especially on offense is
the difference between this team being what it is now
and an even. More championship heavy favorite the outcome of
this series is almost bad News For you because tom,
thibeau isn't going anywhere maybe if they blow a. Three
To one lead but i've just Found. It fascinating where
tibbs i've always been Up. AND down on tibbs i
would Never call, myself a tibbs defender but, like he's
he's coached At Least, RELATIVE to joe mossoula i think
he's done a really good, job in this.
Speaker 2: Year you've ignowed, in fairness to You you've acknowledged when
thibodeau does stuff, that like makes, sense AND you've acknowledged
like i. Think we both are we both pointed to
he has a lot of strengths, as a, head COACH
and like now, i THINK you're. Right like i don't
it doesn't matter what happens from now unless, they BLOW
this lead which i just don't, Think is gonna happen
like he's gonna. BE back next year i WANTED to
ask because. I had the thought i forget, which one
it was but it was, one, of those bridges, like
oh my, god they, need this you know twelve footer
in the, middle of the lane fading back and he
hits it towards the end, OF the, shot CLOCK i
think AND i HAD that i was I was already
Like i know What, I'm, gonna, ask dan so like
is are all those picks? Being? Traded, for bridges okay
now like what needs? To, happen for that well, like
here's the thing because. WE talk about windows i, think
YOU'RE probably right but i just it's just like it
made me reconsider like the In conjunction, with the tatum injury, this,
idea that like yeah you'd love to, have ALL those
picks and i think, probably you, still would but like
isn't the whole point of this to just fucking go
for it, When you're pretty Close and like the. Knicks
definitely have done they really went For it with the
cat Trade and with the Bridge's trade and the og
trade and the bringing him back for the Money they
like trading devincenzo as part of, that, deal, was like
ah man that felt like that was, like kind of
cold but like they felt, like they were close and
they felt like a couple moves, would GET them closer,
And i so. Far like that's right like they They.
Were gonna beat boston they were going, up Three to
one whether tatum. Got HURT or not and i think
you have to at least think about or, consider, the,
fact that like yeah the process of paying all those
picks For a player of bridges caliber is probably not
the one you want to embrace. Most of the time
but the results are gonna. Be what they are and
if they make the conference finals And they give, probably
INDIANA a run, like i don't know that's. Kind of
the point the point is to get as close as
you can when, you got a shot and they've. THEY'VE
gone that route. I don't know it go ahead your thoughts.
Speaker 1: If you make it what's the saying? If you win
it you never have to apologize if. YOU win a
title i, think in this case they haven't made the conference.
Finals since two thousand THEY haven't made the nba, finals
since ninety nine which is just when, you say ninety
nine that was over, a quarter century AGO and it
doesn't i DON'T realize THAT until i, until I say
it LIKE i was just i was a, young BUCK
back then LIKE i WAS just i bet i remember
watching that, finals as a kid. Just being very emotional
expect them To win AGAINST the spurs because i HAVE
no idea what. I was ROOTING for but so. I
think it's defensible but like, there, are, two things Like
look if mchal bridges signs, the EXTENSION this summer which
i think is like four years and, one to fifty
six he could probably get more if he went. On
the open. Market, that lends itself okay that's part. Of
Why You overpay got jalen brunson. To, sign His extension
yeah McHale bridges to sign. A, BLOW market extension also
i will go back to that they sent out no real,
players in that deal and so like you had to
compensate the next. Somehow nick nets somehow but on the
FLIP side is like i know they had Waited Long
enough and jalen brunson kind of put them in a
position where they couldn't wait much longer because he. Was
just So good. The whole gyiannis stuff, that's why you
wait because that's the star that you expend. That, much
picks on now maybe it Doesn't matter because the bucks
don't have their Own picks and the knicks don't have
all these youngsters to, throw into those trades but like.
That's why you wait so, as of now though, Like
in this moment, i've, seen people Say oh that mchal bridges.
Trade was a steal it was. Absolutely, not a steal
well they. Overpaid to get them if it results in a,
conference finals like TITLE Getting, TO the nba finals i
don't think, You need to apologize and like you kind,
of understand the vision but it has it has. Me,
capped you moving yeah you've extended all your best if
you're looking, to improve This team which the, Knicks are
still flawed like this. Is a great Moment i'm. Excited
for knicks fans, i'm excited for myself but like we
CAN'T lose sight of i don't do you THINK they'll
go into i shouldn't say will they, go INTO it
favored because i Feel like the big apple juice will
make them the betting favorite re Farlest of Whether. It's
cleveland or indy but what are you picking them to
beat either one of those teams if? The? Series, STARTED
today well.
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean it's so If you're like the cavs
magically all get healthy and they, somehow WIN that series Then,
i MIGHT pick cleveland but i just don't. THINK that's
gonna happen I would probably go i Would. PROBABLY pick
THE knicks i think I, would Over the pacers and
i've just been kind of Too low on the pacers,
for the entire season and so that's kind of staying,
on brand for me WHICH is Weird because i. Love
HALIBURTON so, much, BUT i THINK yeah i think I.
Would pick the, knicks AND even, IF like i guess,
I would just say i think you're right that like
go committing what they did, to build this team, which
like on paper just shouldn't be and is not like,
A top four team they're gonna be one of the,
last four teams standing and, so like you know like
in a, normal year or whatever like whatever whatever that
whatever that EVEN, means in the nba like a normal
year where they four best teams during the regular season actually,
Make the conference finals like that. Doesn't seem, TO happen but,
LIKE i don't know i, keep, coming, BACK to like
yeah i think if you're close and you can, make
like a reckless seemingly reckless move to, GET a little
closer i think, my takeaway is like. You JUST do
IT and i was i was Wrong, about like, the
warriors for example trying to pull off a big, trade
DURING the year, because, i was like. Oh they're not
close there's no one who gets, them to that level
and who knows where they'd be. If they were healthy
like that would be kind of a, similar, thing of
like yeah. You just do it it, may not seem
perfect but if you're close and, get a little closer
it's worth it's worth it to take. A shot at it.
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's important to, also APPRECIATE the
moment because i can get when when you, cover the
entire league like we do you do get caught up
in the. Macro of at all and so it's if
You don't think the knicks are going, to win a
title like you're Just not like The thunder and the,
Nuggets exist as well so you're just not gonna predict them.
To win the championship and let, if you believe it.
More power to you i'll be rooting, For it, spoiler
alert but like you don't want to get too caught
up in like they're still flawed and if they got
to the finals and got, trucked in five games there's
going to be you'll have to have the where do?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Go from here element but, as of right now it's
this team is flawed and yet they're Good enough, to
get and look this will be rewritten at, some, point
as Like well If The celtics had, jason tatum and,
yeah maybe they come they would still be in the
three to One Series hole if jayson. Tatum, WAS was
healthy so i what are you expect the? Rest of
this series what are you? Kind of looking for there's
always Like the knickx of we've probably seem like the
full Breadth of what the, knicks have? To, offer Is
It well can michal bridges maybe get going a little
bit earlier if you want. To get into That, but
For the celtics it's i'm just very curiously what their
offense is. Going TO look like and i think the
easy thing is do you kind, Of need to spam
LIKE can you get i know he's, dealing with the
anemia like the illness, or whatever it is but can
you get even More? Minutes out of porzingis and, is
this just spamming like go find like towns and brunts
and and like you need to spam like porzingis picking. Pops,
AT this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean in a lot of ways that the
dem or the sort of the game plan doesn't. Change
a ton offensively it's just like now It Does not Involve.
Jason TATUM for BOSTON so i mean i thought they
were hunting, the brunts, and towns you know options a
little more with a little, more commitment as this like,
certainly IN game four and i think, THAT not doing,
THAT I don't know. I i get it you want to.
Just run YOUR stuff that's one, u sixty whatever games
and like deviating in a series maybe feels. Like you're
OVERTHINKING it but. LIKE i don't know i think that
has been the move and should be the move going
forward is just pick. On bruntson in Towns maybe you get.
Towns in foul trouble that means You Have, to play
mitchell robinson which means he gets, fouled off The floor
And then precious, the chew is involved and like that
that's A. WAY forward, for boston i mean they're gonna Need.
Way more From Brown they're gonna needa holiday. Has Not
Looked good like derek white's gonna have to up the
volume and make every quarter look like The first quarter
of game four when. He just COULDN'T miss but Like
i do think boston is good enough. To win another
game like, Stranger things have happened but, to win three
straight even with two of, them being at home that's
that's a pretty tall order, to say nothing of just
like the Deflating effect. Of the tatum injury just like
You could forgive the celtics for kind of letting go
of the, rope a little bit, just, because they know
like even, if we win this. He's not, coming back
you know professional athletes ARE mentally. Tougher than i am
but like that WOULD affect me if i knew our
best guy was. Just it was done you know that
that has. TO play A role i think.
Speaker 1: I'm also wondering too like The Big. Thing is drew
holliday you mentioned He's like given the Knicks Somewhere, to
stash jalen brunton which is something they. Were Always gonna
do the celtics are averaging as a team under A
point Possession when jalen bruns in like Registers As, defender
and Drew holliday can the celtics like it's probably gonna
take more like more, actions during their, offensive something, they
want but like can They get him a brunton off? Of, That,
matchup to now okay we have two players who are
maybe going to be more active and that's gonna Make
for tougher. For BRUNTON to defend and i Don't know
if the celtics has gotten figured out A way to
Get brunton off of drew or like capitalize. On that
nearly enough and that, either, comes Down To well can
drew holliday hit, to play better button to play more
aggressive button however you, want to frame it or do
you need to just go through more layers to like
poke and Prod and get put brunton in more uncomfortable
situations or.
Speaker 2: Is it just like We Got to play pritchard moore
because he's just a tougher cover that's gonna shoot it
more readily and just move more and, faster and you
know over tax not even maybe you put brunts in
someplace Else if You're the knicks and, pritchard is, the,
cover but like Yeah the bust and i'm Honestly Like not,
Having sam houser matters like just not having another guy
to just make shots when that's been an issue in
most of the, games in this. Series, is, A, FACTOR
yeah Yeah again i think Boston could, Definitely win game
five like that's that's. Totally on the table THEY'LL just
have TO i guess what i, would Say is Like if,
boston wins game five it'll probably have more To do
with the knicks not not just continuing, to play this
well then, it, Will with like oh, boston's figured. Something,
Out you know right let's move on, to The Next
Series which.
Speaker 1: Golden state warriors in a three to One Hole. Against
the minnesota timberwolves where do you? Want, To start here,
Gran i'll let you i'll let you grab THE talking stick, and.
Speaker 2: I, don't, know like Well rhetorically like with steph going,
down in game one what else should? The expectation, have
BEEN YOU know like i Think, with A healthy steph
this i DON'T know what the i can't remember, what
the ODDS were but just i don't know how much
there is to really say when the team that can
at least afford to lose its best player. Loses its
best player and the way the, series has played out
everything from like the scoring struggles to just the role
guys looking worse, for The Most, part except jonathan minga
which maybe. We should talk about uh that's Like all.
Very fran, Is, back oh boy yeah you should. See
some text threats there have been Some things said about.
Kamina IN this.
Speaker 1: Series so i want To focus on the steph outment
really quickly before we kind of dive into like maybe
what we've seen or. What's, going to happen yeah it's
frustrating for me from watching because like we've seen Them. Hold,
leads without steph now like they Went into halftime of
game four and had the lead and then just you
kind of let your. FOOT off The gas i. Think
draymond was it Draymond Or was it jimmy butler afterwards
said If We, don't have steph curry we can't give up.
One hundred and more was it. Seventeen, points or Whatever
yeah it was draymond, to win that game which. Is
just spot on and so like when you see that
kind of a failure of THEIR defense and then i.
Know It was it jimmy butler was sick in addition
to dealing. With the glute stuff, it JUST sucks because
like i thought this was going to be a really,
fun and Confusing, series and without steph it's sort, of
boiled it down like this is, what's SUPPOSED to happen
and i really hope and it, feels counterintuitive to say
like they need to prioritize the future when they're as.
OLD as they are i Don't Want to See steph.
Curry play game five that's Because if they win game five, and,
FORCE of games like i just don't want To see
him risk and But maybe this is i'm Like Traumatized
from the jason tatum injury now to just like, Let's
not risk it, like if they lose let him have the.
Offseason then, come back but like isn't kind of already
pushing it to come back from that Grade one strain
in game five and it's you're, Down, three to one
like let's Start displaying urgency with Steph's timeline when the
warriors proved that they, could win a game, and then
it's oh coming back. From three to one you, still
wouldn't predict it but like you can get Two Consecutive
wins With steph, Aint this timberwolves.
Speaker 2: TEAM YEAH you can i i was thinking THIS morning
about like i kind OF think. HE'S gonna i bet i,
haven't READ anything today but i bet he's going To try,
to PLAY game five and. I, WOULD also him yeah i, would, also,
BET that like well I don't know what i would
bet because you don't want to, put anything past him
but like a re injury really feels likely or like, feels,
like frighteningly probable uh given how like how quickly this
would be for a. TURNAROUND for a hamstring, I guess
for me i LEAN more towards like i think you
just do it because you're never you're not promised that
next year is going to give you any better, shot
than this year as long as the odds are now,
Down THREE to one like i just can you really
expect this core to get through another full season? Without,
SOME injury, too, like i think look the evidence of
how good The Team is with jimmy butler post trade. Deadline, Is,
pretty persuasive like okay they're a top four Team probably
in the west if they could hold. Hold up that
way but everybody. Is a year older you may, or may,
not have you know as good of a supporting cast
considering some of The Free, agents like peyton looney the.
Guys that actually Play who knows where kaming is gonna
be or what his role would, Be IF he's, BACK
like i think i think you Play him IF he's
if he i think, HE decides to play i think
they PROBABLY let him and i, it's A complicated decision
BUT i FEEL like i would, I wouldn't be like
i wouldn't view it as like malpractice or anything if
they if, they let him go if. They let HIM
try but it's i DON'T know what the i. DON'T
have high expectations, I would say that.
Speaker 1: Uh so you want to talk about THE kaminga stuff
which i think actually bleeds into part of the. Issues
with this team when you're Trying to get the, warriors team.
SCALING ahead moving forward i want to Talk about what,
the Wolves Are, doing particularly julius randall who's just a
big playoff killer now apparently Who Knew.
Speaker 2: Boy was mia colpa i've several times this season, HAVE
just said like i don't think he's, someone you win
with and he's a big. Reason they are, winning.
Speaker 1: AND you know so i haven't made a, couple OF there.
TOO because i can't. I what is time i don't
even remember what our Initial Reactions to the, karlatat towns
trade were but like we pretty much were not Aboard,
it with the timberwolves and so it's might, work out for,
Them MAYBE it doesn't, but i will say What's Really
fun about? Julius randall doing this and he's and what
do you? Have that groin injury ever, since he's come
back like it feels like he's playing Within the confines
the wolves, need him to be which is physical but
also being more. Of, A setup guy yep and that's just,
worked for their offense especially in what feels like this
series where it's like and is only going to get
it going for what like the final third of a,
Game Or something Apparently So i'm happy julius rannold's doing
this because now he makes it so difficult for the,
Team to cheap out because now if it's are You
gonna let nas reed walk because You Want, to keep,
julius randall it's like or are you Gonna Get just
let julius randa walk for Nothing because you want, if
they do that there'll Be, a mutiny in minnesota. As
there should Be, But with The warriors john the communists.
Play has been fascinating so my. Question here is, twofold
Would you agree and i'm gonna, ask both at once
would You agree, that this warriors team even just when,
they're hitting their threes there's just not enough spacing and
they really need to open up the floor so that
they can capitalize on Make life easier on. Steph when
he's healthy but Like The crux of, JIMMY butler's game
requires i, would say Positive, spacing which The, warriors certainly without.
Steph do not, have but then two how does that
impact How You view what jonathan kaminga? Is doing right
now because even The best version of kaminga is not
going to be considered a floor, spacer because by definition
it needs to be someone that defenses want to guard
from Beyond The arch and jonathan aminica just, still isn't
quite that and so it was easier for. Me To
Sit here. Before jonathan kmeninga returned the Rotation was that
the warriors just, need to figure out like how to
get more. Shooting around This Core but now jonathan kminga's
popping and. It makes it Hard HOW do we and
i guess the one if we were to tie both
questions together Is how do the warriors make? This work
moving forward when you're weighing what they still, clearly need
versus Oh Have they failed jonathan kaminga at any po
or is it just is there more To Plumb. There
with jonathan. Kaminga it's so.
Speaker 2: Awkward YEAH it is and I Mean that was steve
kerr's justification for the most Recent benching stint of Kaminga,
is like with butler. It just doesn't work we, don't
have the spacing and like, That's just objectively true like
you just don't If and If, it's butler And draymond
like and steph the other two guys in, that five
man unit just like they got to. Be able To
shoot that's, why buddy, Healed Like holy, Shit buddy, HEALED
matters like forget i just don't know where this like competent.
Defense has Come From but like buddy heald. Is kind
Of indispensable quentin post got played off the, floor in
this series like he's the other piece where if you,
have a shooting five maybe that. Gives you some options
but he's just not a good enough all around player
yet to be in a second round playoff series just.
Because he, can shoot you know the other. Stuff matters
too much so how do? YOU make it. WORK i
don't know i think they've struggled. With that all season
it would probably be Slightly easier Solve if pajemski and
moody could both make a shot and neither of, them
can right now because then you can mix and match,
and like you, Know maybe you know, draymond's off the
Floor so you've got butler and, three Or four shooters or,
butler's off The floor You have steph and draymond and,
Two or three, shooters like you Know there's ways to
maybe that's another reason that the rotation has been, so
deep all season and they played like thirteen guys, in
the first, quarter and you know they're just kind of
searching for guys that can give them. The Things they need,
THE kaminga thing like i will concede that certain more
so in game what three when he had like thirty or,
whatever it was like and Definitely for, parts of game
four like if if you watch what he, did and you,
say oh my god they have. Just buried this guy,
look What he's Doing, Like steve against steve kurt doesn't?
Is lost his mind how do? You not play him
look at the. Boost he's giving him if if that's the,
extent OF your reaction what i will say to you
is you did not watch enough of this season because
those are the highs and you are Ignoring the lows.
Where kaminga will play and you saw, some dumb mistakes,
Too even last night like the guy. CAN'T navigate a
screen i don't know how it's possible he's. THAT bad
at It i think the wolves learned pretty quickly That
if you involve kminga in an action, that involves a
screen b trailing someone off the ball or see, one
to two passes that he has to like, Judge where
to go like you've broken him and he's not going to.
Make a good play so. Like EVEN with it so,
i would just say like all the lows don't get
erased from, his like effort perspective from, his attention to
detail from, all this other stuff because he showed you
the highs and this is. The whole cominga experience we're
just watching a micro like we're watching a, little micro
caushm it because he will show you this stuff and
it makes. You forget, everything else and like, at The
same time the warriors going to his restrictive, free agency,
This summer it's like i'm no closer to knowing right
what that, guy's market value is whether it makes sense to.
Keep HIM at all like i just it's been it's
been one long saga of just like ebbs and flows
of the long term. Outlook FOR this guy and i
think the way he's played the last game and a
half just makes it. That much more complicated and to
say nothing of the your what your, question was is
like how do you integrate him Into, A Core of
Steph jimmy butler and draymond if he's not gonna because
he's not a guy that is best utilized at all, as,
like oh well okay maybe he becomes a thirty Eight
percent three point you want him just? Standing on the
perimeter is? That what you? Want jonathan, comminget it you
know like it's even if he becomes a, GOOD three
point shooter i don't know if that makes it all
that much. Easier to integrate him almost feels.
Speaker 1: Like if you were, going to integrate him it would
have to be just off the bench as kind of the,
sixth man microwave score which is just we don't see
that role from someone, his, size really Right right.
Speaker 2: Or or butler, or draymond is gone like, then then
then okay but then how good is the team in,
that In that Hypothetic.
Speaker 1: Maybe kevin DURANT on here uh i do it probably does,
help his market, value which in theory would make It
easier for the warriors to find a sign and trade
partner that maybe is sending them someone or stuff back
that they can use to. Go check other boxes but
it's they're gonna be in the dilemma of you want
to preserve the. Asset of the player but as you
mentioned with, the ebbs and flows there is a chance
that whatever you sign, him for this offseason you can't
guarantee that that doesn't end up, being, a bad deal
right and that that's just the. Trouble that they're facing?
Is there anything else just sort of like what are
you what are you looking for in Game aside from is?
Steph going To play, but like game five, for this
team specifically what do we need to be, LIKE looking.
Speaker 2: Towards well i think if you want to keep it
Really brass tacks like butler just has to look Like
he did in game Three as opposed to game four
from an AGGRESSIVE like he really i think one of
his best qualities is he really doesn't force, a lot
of shots like he will be, Patient to a fault
and part of that, is because like athletically he just
doesn't beat guys, like he used to and he has
to be a two foot plant guy and he it foul,
grifts like you know is. A master at it but
part of that's by necessity because he's just not going
to blow by and finish like a one foot lay.
Up on anybody anymore he has to just figure out
ways to get you thirty plus efficiently and then drawn
up defense to, get guys good shots and then the
pods and the everybody else's of the world. Have to
make them it just Is it's. Just like game Three it's.
It's a jimmy game he has to be Great and
then the warriors guys who haven't made shots. Have to,
make them but like really none of, that Matters if they,
like draymond alluded to if they, don't defend like this
this has to, be a, game one you know with
one team being. HELD under one hundred i think probably
it's A Lot like the rocket, series in that, way
where it's like this isn't gonna Be a game the warriors,
win because you know They've got Thirty from butler and kaminga.
Gives you thirty more like this is just not it's
not gonna be a one to twenty. Five one eighteen
win that's just. Not in the card so it's, got
to be slow it's got. To be a mess It's
got to Be butler, out playing edwards probably which is like,
a pretty you, know IT could. HAPPEN but i don't
i don't, think, we need, to like you know try
to make this more. Interesting Than it is if, steph
doesn't play like everything's got to break right that that's
just all that's that's all.
Speaker 1: THERE is TO it i THINK i agree with, i
think you said and the one like the lower hanging, fruit,
Is Just like yeah jimmy butler. Can't take nine shots
but the other thing is that, if You Tell me
if buddy healed goes two of, six From three again
like i'm just gonna think, that they got destroyed.
Speaker 2: He needs to be like seven of twelve. Or something
like that and he might even need To do that.
Speaker 1: If. Steph, is playing.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah. THAT'S true the wolves.
Speaker 1: I kind of, wanted to start here how Did how
do the wars go about like they don't Have, anybody
aside from draymond but like they Everybody That then defend
julius randalls that like Kind of a weird you can
say The same, thing about, edwards too which, is by
the way that's part of The reason why the cominga,
stuff is So fascinating because the warriors at once seem
like they need more shooting and someone who can check
the other team's best perimeter player because You Don't necessarily
want jimmy butler, doing that These days and like kaminga. Checks,
not those boxes.
Speaker 2: Well the thing is like he Was pretty effective on
Edwards for stretches of game three And then some, of
game four even but that's just kaminga can really only
be a highly effective defender if you're not throwing. Anything
else at him, And he's just like i'm guarding, this
guy in isolation like he's as athletic as anyone in
the league and can. Sort OF do that And i
think the wolves did a better job Of like punishing
the warriors for thinking they could continue to get Away.
With him, on edwards, but yeah YOU'RE right there's just
i guess maybe the makeup of the, team, is, such
that well okay We need to play peyton as, an
on ball defender or We got to have looney in
there to give us a. Chance on the boards and
you're just like you're just peeling away strengths in other
areas when you, play guys like, that, or it's Like
oh Let's play Buddy. And moody and pods do we
get some spacing or post and. You're sacrificing Other stuff
and the wolves are just they've Got guys that like,
randall being an example he's defended. Well in the playoffs
he's playmaking really well in the play like you're, not
taking anything away.
Speaker 1: Are shooting At The. Rim against. Julius randall this.
Speaker 2: Year oh it's is it. In the single digits.
Speaker 1: It's WHICH is higher than i, thought it would be to,
be honest with.
Speaker 2: You but that's not good at the rim like.
Speaker 1: That that you need THAT'S my point is i thought
it was going to, Be even, worse, THOUGH.
Speaker 2: BUT yeah NO i I, think i think minnesota like
we Don't even. Talked about jade McDaniels he that guy's
just gonna be. ON winning teams forever i think IT
was a thought. I had.
Speaker 1: Last night is it it's kind of like the it's
We Call and like andrew Nemhart Has the playoff jimmy
butler switch is. The analog for everything jade McDaniels on
offense Just Has the. Playoff jimmy, butler, Switch it's like yeah.
I'll call. Have threes why not i'm not gonna do
it all the time.
Speaker 2: In the regular season but and he like that's the
other thing is a lot of. What, made it so
yeah maybe he was sick and he's, got the Glute
injury but Like butler, isolating against jade McDaniels. Like that
cannot be that's not A favorable situation. For butler at
all like McDaniels is brutally, tough to score on especially
if you're someone that like is, not blowing by anybody
and you need to like score over Or around. Length
like butler does like that's just like McDaniels has been,
a huge and again don't underrate like how important he's
gonna be in A game five that butler has to
score A ton for the warriors, To have a chance
like McDaniels will, have that as assignment and like he's
just he's just really. Hard to score On and even
if butler, does get a bunch he's gonna have. To
work for IT and then And i just think. Daniels
has been. Awesome Randall's been fantastic the Warriors Haven't. Picked
on mike conley Part Of that's because mike conley's been.
Like pretty Good defensively and then edwards hasn't really for
an entire game unless my, memory is really gone just
dominated he's done it for a half or he's done. It,
For a quarter yeah like there's Still the possibility that
edwards is just like there's, blood in the water this
is over and, He gives you forty like that's.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he seem like maybe all, stars are like this
but it feels more pronounced with him because it goes
from like this valley to this peak where it's just
like he needs to see like two quarters of basketball
to understand how teams are gonna defend him and then
adjust his. Decision, making from there yeah very much feels
like that's what it's. Been IN this series but i
just wanted To harp on. Your Jade McDaniel's point the
warriors When He is carding jimmy butler this series are
averaging point sixty. Five points per Possession that checks out
you're what You're saying. TOO about game five i do
feel like a lot Of the, value with jade McDaniels
like throughout the season and maybe why he's not and
we could be, guilty of this too where he didn't
feel like as much of a mainstay in all. DEFENSE
discussions this year i don't think he began the season
as well, as he normally does but like he's the
type of defender where if, you, have the ball well
either you won't get the ball or, once you get
it like you're trying to. Get, rid of It Yeah
it's like jimmy butler having to be in a mindset
where he's not someone, who forces shots specifically and now
it feels like he's either, not getting the ball but, it's,
more so like oh he's just not really. Taking as
many shots jay McDaniel's a. Huge part of that and
so the mindset shift, that you're talking about That's. An
adjustment for jimmy and then you have To, do it,
knowing Oh like no it's jaye McDaniels for specialized in
getting people to not have the ball or to get.
Speaker 2: Rid, of the ball yeah And How EFFECTIVELY can golden
state i Guess, you would use pajemski who maybe Is,
getting guarded by conley to set screens So you Can,
have butler target conley but like He's just gonna post conley.
Up and back down That's gonna give the wolves plenty
of time to load to one side or to send
a second guy, if you need to Because chances are
the Warriors, are gonna have like does this just create
A bunch? Of open Draymond threes which the wolves, Will,
be like great like you? Can't win this Way take?
Speaker 1: Six In game four the wolves do that? As an,
absolute win.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah and like it's an absolute win for them, and,
it's also like yeah he kind of needs to shoot
those because they're. Just, Not getting better shit it's like
it's a maybe that's like that's a pretty good summation
of where we. Are in This series is those draymond
shots are both kind of like the right shots quote
unquote for the circumstances with no steph like you can't
be sure. You're getting anything better and there Are also shots, that,
minnesota is like well that defensive possession. Was a huge
success if we Give up, an open draymon Three like
that's that that's that's like? A you're are you is
that like the definition of drawing Dead if you're? The
warriors like that in that little in that particular, Thing,
we're talking about yeah it.
Speaker 1: Has to be right and do you? Remember what was
it there was that the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen season
where he shot like thirty seven percent or whatever or
three really might BE a top ten nba player now because.
Speaker 2: You can HIT threes i'm sure i made that argument
at some point.
Speaker 1: Anything else On just, LIKE the wolves front i mean
To Be here like dante DiVincenzo hasn't really hit. A,
ton of, SHOTS yeah this series i do, find, it
funny that like remember and we. Were probably among them
he might have even alluded to this at the top kind,
Of calling like, well nasreez should start and it's just
like you still played twenty Seven plus, minutes in game, four,
but it's, Like Oh you know julius rendolds kind of neutered.
That Part Of it even rudy gobert has held up
really well, defensively in this series which was. Never really
a question it's, always about the offense and he's kind
of done enough there to Where it's like the warriors, Haven't, made,
them pay, Like Like you know rudy gobert's got good
enough on offense To where the tim wolves hadn't, have
to think about oh do we need to lower his
minutes a ton at any point.
Speaker 2: As, you look at It let's assume. The wolves win
it we'll do our full look ahead at some, Point or,
series preview but like do You think broadly the wolves
have been tested enough or in ways in this series
that tells you anything about how they Might fare Against,
the thunder or nuggets or do you think they're still
like they shouldn't be favored against, either of those teams
or like do you still have because some of them, You,
CAN'T really say Like i guess the randall piece of,
It HAS been encouraging but i don't know that you
can take away anything super Meaningful about like the wolves
overall quality From A series where steph curry plays like
less than. Half, OF one game well i.
Speaker 1: Think, the other thing too is so look at the
two teams that they face to this point that just
tilt so far towards the smaller. End of the spectrum
whatever team awaits in the next round is going, to
be appreciably larger right the Chet holmganna say a HEARTENSTEIN
Front and like o case he, does Downsize of points.
BUT denver Is Huge I know michael porter, junior is
Not Healthy but Him, Aaron Gordon to kolokic christian, brown's
like really, strong has good.
Speaker 2: Size he plays bigger. Than a, Two Guard yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Peyton watson's what is he six? Or eight OR whatever
so like. I will be. FAIR i don't know i
wouldn't expect, them to be FAVORED but. IT would i
don't i haven't seen. Enough to be LIKE and the
thing i Don't, trust about the wolves which might run
counterintuitive to what. We've seen this series. IT is their
offense i know some people have kind, of harped the defense.
But it's their offense i've just seen too many low
lows for sum until it's, Like, in this series okay
but yeah when, The, threes, go in like yeah look
at how versatile they, are on the Offensive And look what.
Julius randall can do like we're not Far removed from
that lakers series where they have like two of the worst.
Three point shooting performances like there's just there's just those
like turbulent swings from, them on The Offense and like
anthony edwards in some ways is kind of, the like
typifies that and He typified, it in game four like
what he was like kind of through what two and a,
half quarters or whatever versus what he. Is AT the
end SO i would be i Wouldn't be, pessimistic About
minnesota's chances but i'll. FRAME it this way i wouldn't
have a great feel for how what they've done so
far translates to. Either of those matchups.
Speaker 2: That's MY sense too and i Can hear all, the,
wolves fans saying like welcome to the twenty Four to.
Twenty five wolves experience because that's Just kind of been
it's kind that's pretty close to what the whole, season
has felt like where it's like the highs have been
incredible and the lows are just like this team's, never
gonna beat anybody and it's all the same guys just
playing differently like that on night to night or. Like
week to week do.
Speaker 1: You, think it helps though that they've already beaten kind
of This. Version, of the nuggets.
Speaker 2: WELL that's the other, i, was gonna say like they'll
Be confident if it's, denver that They Get.
Speaker 1: Especially if nikola joki is still playing.
Speaker 2: The, way, That, he was especially yeah he's gonna make
thirty percent of his shots or whatever it is, A,
three game Stretch yeah that's. The Nuggets are beatable if, Yoka,
shoots thirty percent. Yeah THEY'LL BE confident but i i
would still just, LOOKING at it now i Think. I'D
probably favor denver i Would Definitely, favor the thunder like
even though both of those teams, will look pretty flawed
but part of that's because who they're, playing against each
other and, they're both really good so they can make
each other. Look pretty bad sometimes.
Speaker 1: My Final, question, on THE wolves though because, i did
just say. Don't trust their offense do you think that
the pinnacle of their offense Is More dynamic with julius
randall Than It Was. With karl anthony?
Speaker 2: Towns, more More dynamic yeah because randal just does more With. The,
ball THAN kat ever did i think.
Speaker 1: Five dribble just play, making out of drives Which is
just something, Cat's never really done like he needs to
be a stand.
Speaker 2: Still to do it and you See it, with The
knicks too where kat like, he took four threes like what? Like?
Speaker 1: How you know not that's like who do? YOU blame
that on i don't want to Make this, about the
knicks Again but it's because towns just like it feels
like he's only taking threes when he doesn't want to
get all the. Way up the floor he's like trailing
in transition and did to pop? Them from Long range,
and then i'm Like is that on towns Or is
This on TIBs because towns is three point volume has Been. An, Issue, BEFORE.
Speaker 2: Tibbs right, yeah i don't, know maybe it's HIM maybe
HE just i don't i don't, know what it, IS
but but Yeah i think with randal there's. Just a
playmaking dimension that's that that That, isn't there with towns Or,
Wasn't THERE with towns Like. I don't, THINK randall i
mean i don't, Know at the moment like it's pretty
close call who's actually? A BETTER player today BUT i
Mean rand i think towns. Is a better player Uh
but right now randall Is playing better and Randall is
giving the wolves a stuff they wouldn't Have gotten FROM town.
Speaker 1: He took i don't know, if you saw this. He
kind of took he took shots. To the knicks too
where he was he when HE gave an Interview I,
think was john krasinski the. Athletic and his piece, randall
Mentioned like yeah like i'm, not standing around now And
It was. Like tom, tibodau, listening it's.
Speaker 2: Like man he's Really Mad about. THOSE new orleans, years,
i guess yeah right.
Speaker 1: It is guess a player time. Falling into the gap let's.
Not waste any time always we. Fall, into the GAP
grant how about i begin with. Some fos for you
This One comes from. AUSTIN clue number one i am
one of only eight players To Have, won THE Triple,
crown AN Ncaa, championship AN nba championship which I Won,
with the Boston celtics and. AN olympic gold medal i
also won two high school basketball state championships and A bronze. Medal, in,
fiba basketball.
Speaker 2: Geez Okay. Well this is Austin you say, The celtics
championship though UH and, you said, nba title collegiate. Title,
AND gold Medal yes i mean tatum's got. TWO of
the three i don't think that. DUKE team won It
i mean the celtics. Have so many championships do?
Speaker 1: High? School, basketball championships not like is there like a
quad one like what's considered LIKE the four.
Speaker 2: THE i don't know i feel like there's so many
like divisions in high school THERE'S Like the five, a
states or. WHATEVER and the four i don't understand high school.
Sports is the Takeaway It. CAN'T be jason Tatum I
will say bill russell just. Because that is incorrect we
move on.
Speaker 1: To clude number two known, FOR my defensive prowess i
WAS Named To the Nba all defense. Second, team four.
Speaker 2: Times Hmmm That's. Definitely not bill? Russell, better than that.
UH all good defender i guess All we know is,
boss just, HIGHLY decorated uh, Man I, don't know. Tommy heinsen,
NO good guess though.
Speaker 1: I think this would BE a clue that i think you.
Could get it. ON clue number three i had a,
short LIVED coaching career as i was Head Coach of
the dallas, mavericks for one season posting a brutal thirteen. And,
sixty nine record oh.
Speaker 2: Who was in charge Of? The really bad MAVs although
there were a lot Of Really bad mass.
Speaker 1: Nico harrison?
Speaker 2: Is, not, they're fine now well can you read?
Speaker 1: THAT one more time i had a, short LIVED coaching
career as i was Head Coach of the dallas, mavericks
for one season boasting a brutal thirteen. AND sixty nine, Record.
Speaker 2: I Don't Know, I'll, say dick mauta no Did? HE
coach the, MAVs i Think though, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Clue Four while Rocking my cream and crimson threads and
boasting an impressive thirty, seven game win Streak Sweeping the
entire big ten by an average of twenty two point.
Eight points per game, now this is, like THIS is
college so i would, Have gotten It?
Speaker 2: Here cream and Crimson? IS that JUST indiana, i guess
i mean that's. Just, Red and white though i'm going.
To need. ANOTHER clue clue.
Speaker 1: Five i played both basketball And, Football for the, hoosiers
so There Go earning all big ten honors in football
as a freshman before. FOCUSING solely on basketball.
Speaker 2: I have no idea how many? More clues are there?
Speaker 1: There are five?
Speaker 2: More oh, my god all. Right let's.
Speaker 1: KEEP going clue six i was SELECTED to both The
Nba by the MILWAUKEE bucks And the nfl the washington
Now Known. As, THE washington COMMANDERS.
Speaker 2: Well i demonstrated i did not know who played Basketball,
and football in indiana. So, that doesn't help.
Speaker 1: Next please clue seven my First, name is actually william
but everyone calls me, by my middle. Name, WHICH is
blank okay i.
Speaker 2: Don't. Know what's next.
Speaker 1: Eight some notable former Teammates Of, Mine Include, Sidney Montcreef,
Larry Bird, Rick Carlyle, Danny ainge, robert Parrish Kevin. McHale
and tiny archibald so this gives you. Like, a an era.
Speaker 2: Yeah So We're. Seventies eighties sidney montcreef so that Does.
A lot Of celtics but isn't montcreef as Like a?
Mostly a bucks guy maybe.
Speaker 1: What? Are Those, Names Again, Sidney Montcreef, Larry Bird, Rick Carlisle,
Danny Ainge, robert Parrish Kevin. McHale, and tiny.
Speaker 2: Archibald, okay SO that's archibald. Though, i don't know WAIT
how many? Do i? Have left one more just give.
Me THE, LAST one post nba.
Speaker 1: I tested out a new career in broadcasting and am
now the color COMMENTATOR for the team i finished my
playing career.
Speaker 2: On, and we're Talking, well it's just Austin. So we
say pacers Oh who was? The, Pacers Color, Cope Yeah,
Quinn buckner dan correct let's go that, college Clue was
nasty while Rocky my.
Speaker 1: Cream and crimson threads. Nice, job by, YOU.
Speaker 2: Okay let's see i will offer You. One from be
rich here we. Go clue number one after playing for
a College Team, ON the east coast i was drafted
in the lottery and was on the all rookie team
only only ONE Time, in my nba careerly?
Speaker 1: What all rookie appearance that's rough when we're there's, no
year there.
Speaker 2: Uh No college team east coast draft in the lottery
was all? Rookie uh just once so.
Speaker 1: Someone who Was Drafted from an east coast college made.
AN all rookie team I don't know what i was supposed.
To do with, that LET me see can i name
anyone who is like kind of on? The?
Speaker 2: Jail? And?
Speaker 1: Rose?
Speaker 2: No good guess? Uh clude number two my team Finished,
sixth in the west So. We're in the west my
rookie year before getting gentlemen swept In Five, Games By,
sam CASSELL. Latrell sprewell and Kg.
Speaker 1: So that's the timberwolves they swept. In the first, ROUND
this player's team i don't remember. What team that was
at least you Know.
Speaker 2: You're in the west.
Speaker 1: Who would be a? ROOKIE in that era i don't
think you might have to give me? The, Next clue here.
Speaker 2: Okay clotoumber three my top three most Similar Players, According
to basketball reference so be prepared to be misled because.
These Are Always, Ridiculous Are rashid Wallace Ac? Green and
paul millsap.
Speaker 1: What in the hell that second clue should be the
one that, HELPS me so far I can't remember who,
minnesota SWEPT that year which i wonder if that's the
year that they made it. To, the conference finals.
Speaker 2: Well it's a gentleman's sweep, to be, for one you
know so in case you're, only thinking, OF sweeps adjuster thoughts,
i still have, nothing but, all right next clue this will.
This will probably help my career stats are twenty, three
point four points, six point five boards and two point.
EIGHT assists per game i Made SECOND or third all
nba teams a total of seven, times in my career but.
Never a first, TEAM. TO. Be clear A c green
and i were not similar players in any way other
than maybe hanging around a. Few, Too Many Years.
Speaker 1: Okay west western conference, rookie around that Time TURNED into.
An all nba player oh this. IS this is Tough
i feel like i'm gonna hear the name. And then get, frustrated,
you've got one.
Speaker 2: Two three, more clues oh shit.
Speaker 1: Give me.
Speaker 2: Another clue NEXT clue six times i averaged more than
two twenty five points per. GAME in the playoffs i
made a conference finals only one. Time in thirteen tries
trying to think when that?
Speaker 1: Conference final Thirteen? Tries is that carmelo?
Speaker 2: Oh you Got?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: It is carmel yeah oh what what? Did it for you?
Speaker 1: JUST the playoff successful i thought his name didn't COME
to mind BECAUSE i really thought i was like he
was AROUND for Like. The kg era timberwolves well that.
Speaker 2: Would have been oh that would, have, been, four five
right yeah so That probably Was, THE conference. Final, wolves i, think,
yeah it's like.
Speaker 1: Wow so go me.
Speaker 2: Mellow's conference finals Appearance Was. With, the, denver nuggets, okay?
Yea all right?
Speaker 1: Gotcha they that year was? It twenty Twelve. Thirteen with
the knicks it looked like they were the Second. Best
team they east it looked Like they just got They
went to that pacers series and. It was just Disaster That's.
Speaker 2: Like the mike, woodson As The Coach Like jason kidd tyson.
Chandler's team, big man.
Speaker 1: All right. Your turn let's go so, First Time, SUBMITTER,
here grant, okay bjp all? Right are you ready don't? Know,
what to expect uh you can expect three clues Because. That's,
All you wow. OKAY clue number one i am one
of the worst contracts in the league and cost my. Team, a,
BETTER player.
Speaker 2: Hmm well i guess we're. Talking about right now worst
contracts in the league cost my. Team a better, Player
so what hmm you're not, gonna get, THIS one, You,
Know i think well i'm just trying, to think in
discord like what's he complain? About, Most contract wise, Uh I'll, just, say,
paul george.
Speaker 1: No incorrect and You're you're, AROUND the you're like i
think you're on. The, right mindset track, okay CLUE number
two and i want to Reiterate This. IS not paul
george i am terrible at my. Quote, unquote side, Hustle.
Speaker 2: Okay all right uh lost my, team a, better player
terrible contract terrible, at his side hustle which like sort of.
HAS to be, podcasting, i would think hmm worst. Contracts
in the league who else has got a? PODCAST that's doing.
It i, Don't Know i'll say jimmy butler? Has a
side hustle? DID he cost them i can't Say. He
Costs the warriors kevin durant? His contracts not great who's?
GOT a terrible CONTRACT.
Speaker 1: I think, THAT i will say i believe this is
overstating how. Bad, The, contract.
Speaker 2: Currently okay uh that the costing is team that feels
like it should be a way into this because like
who was when was this and where where is like
this either or. DECISION at some point.
Speaker 1: I have two Bonus, clues already for okay.
Speaker 2: We'll get you there i'll. Take, the third clue then
please CLUE.
Speaker 1: NUMBER three From bjp i BEAT duke. In the ncaa tournament.
Speaker 2: That's. NOT gonna help uh i don't Remember the last
time duke was in, the in the. Final, probably pretty
recently oh it's, just in the TOURNAMENT so that. Doesn't i,
don't know all right? What's my bonus clue i'm trying.
Speaker 1: TO think of what i don't think this will. Be
a dead giveaway so the players that were traded, to,
acquire This Player Okay, Were Nikhil, Alexander Walker, josh Hart Dedi.
Losada And, thomas SATARANSKI.
Speaker 2: All right so i guess? This player IS on. Is
this CJ McCollum.
Speaker 1: This is cj McCollum who.
Speaker 2: Is this side hustle being the players rep or whatever
the whatever his ROLE is, WITH.
Speaker 1: The i mean i really don't think that he HELPED out,
the the cba negotiations if he was in charge in.
ANY way of that i don't think The players, MADE.
Speaker 2: Up YEAH yeah i mean i can't imagine he Actually
had any real.
Speaker 1: The deal, is like not great but it's. About to
be expiring. So, THAT felt overstated.
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean. It's a, Bad, contract all. RIGHT okay
let's see, i Will go ahead and I'M not gonna
do bjp next because you need to have YOUR brain cleansed.
Before i could see one of the clues. Is like,
pretty similar all Right. THIS is from mike i don't.
Think we've done. This. This is okay. COOL clue number
one i went undrafted in two thousand And. Nine out
of MARQUETTE it's a.
Speaker 1: Player i should. Know that's the.
Speaker 2: Idea you you. Are aware of this you know? Who this?
Player is all Right.
Speaker 1: Who went to marquette I'M gonna pretend like i would
Know Who Went? TO marquette Austin krozer i do? Where
did he go that was definitely not? Two, thousand and.
Speaker 2: Nine no all. RIGHT clue number two i signed a
one Year Deal with a western conference team my rookie
year and eventually rose to the team Starting Shooting guard
after ronnie brewer was traded at. The twenty ten Deadline.
Speaker 1: That was. A, western conference team yeah?
Speaker 2: Who do We Do you associate Ronnie? Brewer, with the
BULLS yes that's.
Speaker 1: Why i, was curious me too was a starter as
a Rookie undrafted out of marquette. Two thousand and nine
so That's like around when steph. Comes, INTO the league well,
i got?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Idea next, clue.
Speaker 2: Please all right this will give you a sense of
like kind of what what player. Type we're dealing with,
after MY rookie year where i played all eighty two
games despite having, JUST gone gone undrafted i averaged, nine
points a game shooting thirty eight percent from three in
a career high forty. PERCENT from the field, i can't be.
Speaker 1: Right career high forty. Percent from The field you're sure
i'm supposed to know? Who, this player.
Speaker 2: Is yeah you do let. Me look that.
Speaker 1: Up that's let's see.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to the keystrokes of me typing and try
to guess how. Long, the name, is.
Speaker 1: Yeah hold on everyone be everyone BE really quiet so i.
Speaker 2: Can listen to it.
Speaker 1: Two, thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Oh AND THEN It's sorry i i and then he
after that rookie year where, he was previously undrafted shot thirty,
eight percent from three career high, forty from the field. He, hits,
free agency.
Speaker 1: Well yeah on a one year. Deal As a, rookie,
Gilbert arenez.
Speaker 2: No okay so the career high wasn't was not forty.
Percent from the field that that rookie year he shot
forty eight, percent from the field which. Was a, career
high so.
Speaker 1: WELL this. Changes, everything i guess well just like that
would be a weird player that only ever shot forty,
percent from The field and then i'm supposed to. Know, who,
they are yeah, yeah mar, all right next clue.
Speaker 2: Please clue number. FOUR here you Go i signed with
portland for five years, and THIRTY four million where i
would be, a full time starter averaging around fifteen a game.
For my entire Tenure There.
Speaker 1: Is that Wesley Matthews.
Speaker 2: THAT is wesley matthews i, WAS about to say i
think you're, gonna get. IT here good job i did
not Know. HE went to marquette i didn't. Know HE
went UNDRAFTED oh i think. I had IT back I,
think i knew marquetta not. That he was undrafted That,
rookie year was, utah by the way WHICH like kind. Of,
I vaguely remember Now.
Speaker 1: I don't remember Ronnie. Brewer on the JAZZ i'm.
Speaker 2: NOT gonna i, do I do now but i'm not
SURE if that's something i actually remember or now that
IT'S like a Fact I can picture ronnie brewer.
Speaker 1: In a jazz jersey are you ready to get into the? Mindset?
Of a sociopath yes clue Number, ONE from be rich
i was taken in the first round of the twenty
Fourteen Draft by. A western Conference team.
Speaker 2: We've established i'm not good at.
Speaker 1: This kind of theory if you were to like kind
of mathematic you could narrow down to like fifteen players
if you think that all of the teams had. Each
had a fund that's find. Of how, it worked.
Speaker 2: BUT well let's see i Was Going, to say andrew
wiggins but he was Actually. Drafted By the calves and
i'm also not sure, That THAT'S twenty fourteen so i got. A,
few Issues, There, uh enis kanter.
Speaker 1: No, that's, a good. Guess though is, IT clue number
two i went To, high school in paris even though
you do not recognize. International, schooling as proper.
Speaker 2: WELL that should help, i went twenty fourteen went To,
high school in paris First rounder in the west but.
Toom is too.
Speaker 1: Old this is a really. Good guess. A player.
Speaker 2: I'm glad i'm. Glad, you like it hmmm? Who is
twenty fourteen why is that such a dead period in
like my remembering drafts.
Speaker 1: The Year after. The anthony bennett, draft, if that.
Speaker 2: Helps well So it, is the, WIGGANS draft THEN right
i think i. Think WE'LL check that but i also
can't remember who else. WAS in that draft i don't
really know how that's, going to help, you to be honest.
Speaker 1: But, It was that yes wiggins was Drafted. In twenty.
Speaker 2: Fourteen, Paris, THAT'S interesting. UH no i don't i don't
have any how? Many CLUES are there do i need? To?
Start panicking?
Speaker 1: YET no you have i think you. Got, four more.
Speaker 2: Left Okay let's let's continue.
Speaker 1: Clue three and, My eleven year career i've. Played for
two teams i've attempted six threes total for my entire
career and. Made none, of, them oh nice.
Speaker 2: Okay uh two teams first One, was in the west
not shooting. A lot. Of threes french guy oh Uh Is? This? Just,
rudy gobert no oh he? Was the second, ROUNDER.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even.
Speaker 2: Now i don't remember it? Wasn't like Doesn't well and
the nuggets Drafted wasn't? He a nuggets pick? And they
TRADED him just so i can, LIKE say some things
i actually do know TO COVER up what? I? I
don't Know.
Speaker 1: Uh did shiel bert was drafted in two thousand and
you were one year twenty seventh? Overall? In, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Okay oh so wow he. Was, a first rounder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was traded uh The Traded him for Eric green
and cash wo Worked. Out for the jazz.
Speaker 2: Could He? Have played, with jokic probably not although they
Were more worried about. Nurkic At The time.
Speaker 1: Could Donovan mitchell And jamal murray. AND jokic played together.
Speaker 2: I think they would. HAVE found a way i think they, would, have,
BEEN alright ummm. YEAH i don't. Know i don't. Know
LET'S let's continue.
Speaker 1: Oh i thought you? Were gonna? Get? It really yeah.
Uh code number four i've led the league in rebounding
once during the twenty twenty twenty twenty one season and
top ten and rebounds PER game. For current nba players
i've also led the league and field goal percentage. Once.
Speaker 2: For, my career wow okay who's just? Getting Tons? Of,
rebounds andre drummond.
Speaker 1: No Did you think audrey drummond went To? High school in? Paris.
Speaker 2: You, never know man also he was Not drafted by,
a western conference team just just trying to. Think of.
REBOUNDERS here, LET'S see i mean i don't have no
reason to believe he Went, to School In Paris. BUT
steven adams no i.
Speaker 1: Like that one though.
Speaker 2: LET me see if i can think of one More
rebounder IN the west that. I should have got i,
should get it right like HOW many different guys i.
Speaker 1: Think you should? Have gotten in now but based off
your previous, LIKE your initial guests i thought you were.
Speaker 2: About to get it Based Off of. My rudy gobert,
GUESS oh all right i feel like that's you're, trying
TO help me. And i appreciate it? God DAMN who else.
Even i don't know. I'll take another.
Speaker 1: Clue clue number five dan hates my name because my first.
Name is one syllable my. Full name is alliterative that
doesn't that's, NOT true. AT all, i don't i mean
the one syllable, First NAME is whatever. But i love alliteration?
Where's this coming from with.
Speaker 2: The, one syllable first? Name but it's alliterative.
Speaker 1: But the first and last? Name? Is an alliteration AH
but did have i ever? COME on the podcast i
don't know what you have agation talking.
Speaker 2: About against al agensa that's. That's his friend's calling His.
Speaker 1: NAME is, also, alexis.
Speaker 2: I know well if you, know him pretty well. You
call him out let's see who it's.
Speaker 1: Just, golfing, with with.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah also probably never led. THE league in REBOUNDING
i would guess i will want to.
Speaker 1: Give you Another Clue it's, not alex sabrinis, either if,
you okay uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah the the whole alliterative thing that could REBOUND should
really just i should have.
Speaker 1: Had it by now the final. GET the final clue
i believe.
Speaker 2: You, will get IT well you thought i was Gonna Get.
IT on rudy gobert i didn't think.
Speaker 1: That clue you. WERE gonna GET it i think i
Thought Because you guessed rudy gobert that you.
Speaker 2: Were, gonna GET it oh Because i picked a french guy, That.
Speaker 1: You haven't, mentioned FRANK neelackina.
Speaker 2: Yet, which i, Am, yeah you, KNOW uh let's see
i guess see was he in the league in twenty
what the only year, we have is well twenty. Fourteen
to twenty twenty what? Year was his? Draft do, you
remember i'm like of course?
Speaker 1: You Remember Whose. Draft neil kena.
Speaker 2: Milikena uh he was the two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Fifty was? It? Twenty seventeen draft, damn with a look
now he's been in the. LEAGUE for a minute i
wanted do you want to know what My Comp? Was?
For frank, neilakina.
Speaker 2: Oh oh wait it. Can't be, this guy and no
because his first. Name has two Syllables i'm trying to i'm.
Going The Alliterative, route so. BISMACK biambo not him i.
Speaker 1: Was Right about the franki okina.
Speaker 2: Draft, by twenty? Seventeen yeah? What? Pick? Was he like?
Speaker 1: Eight he was eight you. Were right about that do
you WANT to know who? I? COMPARED him to.
Speaker 2: Oh i don't know it's probably not ANY more. Ridiculous
Than i thought emmanuel moudier was going to be incredible.
Speaker 1: Better shooting and Better Passing. VERSION of avery bradley.
Speaker 2: I mean most most are.
Speaker 1: Better passing, version maybe.
Speaker 2: But yeah didn't turn out. The shooting part didn't. Didn't
help you there, so in my brain just, For a,
little window i'm going, like through the alphabet which is,
always fraught for us just trying to think of alliterative
guys like What?
Speaker 1: Comes after, l, u.
Speaker 2: Probably not oh. There's not, an alliterative oh guy probably
not a. Que, YOU'D remember that. Yeah i don't know i'll,
take the last. Clue the final.
Speaker 1: Clue My, Nickname Is. Swiss bank swiss bank if, you
all right now if, you don't get this you are
probably gonna. Hate, Yourself As.
Speaker 2: Much okay swiss bank that's have you? Heard? That nickname
before yes?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Some of you. Yes and it's alliterative well.
Speaker 1: His name not? The not the.
Speaker 2: Nickname yeah yeah, yeah well it's like So is? This?
A swiss PERSON why why can't I think? Of? Any swiss,
players hmmm twenty. Fourteen, LOTS of Rebounds yeah i hate bill's,
Really got my number like. IT'S pretty clear now i
don't know what if he's LIKE picking people that i
just like, have mental blocks for Or is it like
i'm being beaten by knowing the? Clue is. From, HIM
let's see. Yeah i don't know you're gonna have, to
edit around me just like. Sitting, HERE thinking quietly.
Speaker 1: Well i can try you, want some bonus clues you
just want me to tell you who? It who it is.
Speaker 2: I'll take a bonus i'll. Take a bonus clue.
Speaker 1: When he entered when this. Player entered the league he
on the team that he played like drafted him And
he played for he was Behind In the Rotation dwight Howard.
And donatis maty, unis he was also if you, want
To Be technical behind francisco. Garcia as well.
Speaker 2: Well was he playing. Behind forwards and centers so he's
all The. ROCKETS man many unis I feel like many
unis has come up like three times, in guests a
player and not because he's ever. Been Guest the player
terrence JOHNSON was the guy i was trying to. Think
of last time we're thinking of guys that got in
trouble or something or like had a. BAD off court
thing i think. That's Who.
Speaker 1: That Was, Terrence, jones terrence.
Speaker 2: Jones yeah. THAT'S that you're right I Can't. EVEN remember
terrence jones i. REALLY good, rebounder behind i Mean it's
like omar ashik Is not Literative or FRENCH or swiss
or i just name a bunch of, players and then
say but they're not. Any, OF the clues. Yeah i.
Don't know i'm SURE i'm sure it's i should have.
Guessed it by now he.
Speaker 1: Was traded in A fourteen deal in february Twenty Twenty.
To The Atlanta, hawks.
Speaker 2: Oh jesus christ. So, i've Never Heard yeah. It's clincipella Swiss.
Bank yeah He's swiss? Did? The french that? Yeah The
high school the paris? Thing, throws you off. Yeah throws
me off that. They, really GOT me yeah now. I,
EVEN even knowing. YEAH i should have i should have
got it on the alliterative. And, THE rebounding thing look
i don't, want.
Speaker 1: To sound hyperbolic but you've brought shame upon yourself. And
your entire family.
Speaker 2: Feels. A, little like that okay LET'S see. What do
I have LET'S each. I think I used i think
i Gotta. Go, to the, MIKE well oh NO i.
Got a, Bjp, one all right dan you.
Speaker 1: Also have after after the one he gave you one.
Speaker 2: Clue you have three it, fills up one, line so.
They're short all right some of these. Clues may sound,
familiar clue number one he has one of the worst.
Contracts in, the league.
Speaker 1: All right who Is He? Complained, about paul GEORGE correct that's.
Speaker 2: Why I went that so i didn't look at, who
THE player Was And i guess paul george for the worst.
Contract in. The league good job clue number two was
he is a terrible, at his side hustle and and
Then You said not paul george. On the last, one
clue number three he plays in one of the worst.
Cities in the league. JUST Shots, Being, fired O god well.
Speaker 1: B jp, is a celtics fan so we'll. Give him,
a pastor it's difficult.
Speaker 2: Tough times, TO times right now.
Speaker 1: I have one. From mike, for you all right you.
Got thirteen clues. HERE clue number one i was selected
in the top ten. In nineteen ninety eight you, got
a year here. That's big.
Speaker 2: Ninety Eight. We, ALREADY antoine jamison no i don't think, that's,
The Right. Year, exactly, vince carter. Okay sorry go.
Speaker 1: AHEAD clue number two i played in all fifty games
in my, lockout shortened rookie year only. Starting, ONE of.
Speaker 2: Them okay i forgot that, was the lockout here so
that's definitely not what.
Speaker 1: Also happened That year what's that nicks? Went? To the finals.
Speaker 2: Hmmm top, ten in ninety eight, played in all. Fifty,
only started one okay? What's the, NEXT clue clue.
Speaker 1: Three i started five out of fifty games in year
two with the, team that draft me but my scoring
totals remained exactly the same ten points per. GAME in
both seasons i did raise my three point percentage, to
TWENTY two percent though i was Traded Mid season to
golden state As Part of. The tony kukoach, TRADE oh
my god I Forgot.
Speaker 2: They had tony okay So get to the warriors as
a third year player coming, off ten a game top ten, Pick, in,
ninety eight yes sir So he's on the, warriors in
two thousand top ten. Pick in, ninety eight oh man
the three point. SHOOTING thing IS.
Speaker 1: Weird i think i forgot how many teams. This player
played for. There's, your, ponies clu.
Speaker 2: Yeah man they've cycled that's A rough stretch of. Warriors
history right there there's a lot of. Different, ninety, eight though,
uh okay next clue.
Speaker 1: Please clue number four and if one of us was
going to get, it on this clue.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: WOULD be you okay i was in the. Two, thousand
dunk contest.
Speaker 2: Oh, two thousand dunk, contests top ten pick Ends up
on the. Warriors, around, TWO thousand THAT yeah i should. I,
should get this well this presumes that He was on
the warriors in two thousand and. IS in that dunk
i don't Think there was a warrior in because that
the TWO thousand is the I Think is. THE vince
CARTER contest i think, i.
Speaker 1: Believe.
Speaker 2: You're correct, sir yeah uh so let's see did They Ever.
Speaker 1: Have pick fred.
Speaker 2: Jones i'll Just Start, Naming Guys, fred jones. Desmond mason
uh correct none of Those. Guys WERE ever warriors so
I don't know. Why i'm saying that i'm.
Speaker 1: Not quitting post either if if you want to get out, In.
Speaker 2: Front, of, that bob, surah No oh man that's, These,
ARE good clues. Okay i don't Know in.
Speaker 1: The back clue five in the back half of the
two Thousand, SEASON with the warriors i averaged twenty. Two
Points per, Game.
Speaker 2: Larry hughes correct okay let's run he.
Speaker 1: Had so many clues let's run through. A. COUPLE of
them six i spent two Additional, seasons in the bay with.
Diminishing returns. EACH year clue seven i bottomed out for
a Year or two in washington before exploding for twenty
two points a night again in a contract year and
four to, Two thousand. And five clue eight that Offensive
explosion convinced the cavs to sign me, to a five
year seventy million dollars, deal IN the offseason and. I was.
Ellipsis fine clue nine they Then traded me to chicago
in two Thousand And eight For Ben. Wallace and joe
smith Traded With me Where Drew Gooden and. Shannon brown clue,
ten the next, YEAR at the deadline i Was traded
To The knicks For Tim Thomas and. Jerome james clue,
ELEVEN the next deadline i Was traded to the kings
and The t. Mac deal clue, twelve by the WAY
the last Season i played in cleveland WAS the final
time i shot over forty. Percent from the field that
was in two thousand and six, Two thousand. AND seven
clue thirteen i, retired in twenty eleven twenty twelve after
a Nine game STINT with orlando where i shot twenty three.
PERCENT from the floor i.
Speaker 2: Did not remember he was a top ten pick or
that he was. In A dunk contest that's.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna get. IT on the, Dunk
i was like grant's gonna have the knowledge? WHO was.
Speaker 2: In there I don't yeah that i, have like no
memory so he must have been in that was just
did he just get eliminated in the first? ROUND or,
SOMETHING like. I don't i don't i don't. Remember That,
at all all right.
Speaker 1: Let's Go To who is? Bill, walton talking about okay
you ready? For Some Of these who's? Bill walton talking
About He's, the Anti KWAMITI. Brown but steven a blank
has NEVER played? A meaningful nba game is He talking About,
Ron Our Test, Iron Nubi pau GASOL Maurice. Evans or
dj mabenga.
Speaker 2: What is the stephen? A part of. This i don't know.
Speaker 1: He's kind of SAYING it looks like i just Always Like.
Speaker 2: Talking, To steven A yea so.
Speaker 1: It's i'm just reading it BASED off the punctuation. I
should read It He's, the Anti Kwame brown but stephen
a he's never played a meaningful game IN.
Speaker 2: The, in the nba okay now try It. LIKE you're
sad brown i WOULD like To say dj dj benga
because that's a. Fun name to. Say that Is?
Speaker 1: Incorrect, It, was gasol Okay Grant who is? Bill? Walton
talking about blank is treating this game LIKE A buffet,
line A Shaquille, o'neo B eddie Curry, C Sean may D.
Robert Trailer. Or, e, raymond felton wow.
Speaker 2: Real real through, line for those. Guys especially late Career I'm,
gonna say raymond.
Speaker 1: Felton that Is Incorrect It, was robert?
Speaker 2: Tractor trailer got?
Speaker 1: It final One Grant who is? Bill walton talking about
why have they not yet figured? Out that he is
he is left handed and will likely continue to be
for the. Duration Of, This Game, Lamar Odom, Morris Peterson
zion Williamson Dylan. Brooks, Or manu. GINOBILI hmm i'm dying.
Speaker 2: I was really hoping for like only right handed players to,
be on the list just just. To, MAKE it better
uh I, will say lamar.
Speaker 1: ODOM that is correct I Did not know mo. Peterson
Was left handed.
Speaker 2: Lamar odem was very as as, lefties off and are
he was very left handed and. He stayed that way
you say.
Speaker 1: For the entire?
Speaker 2: Game? The whole time.
Speaker 1: Incredible do you have anything else? You want to add
are you ready to exit gap and take. Us into the.
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