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True Murder with your host, 31 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:35.920 journalist and author Dan. 32 00:01:35.959 --> 00:01:46.799 Zupanski, Good Evening. 33 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.879 Much is known about American and European serial killers, but 34 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.159 you do to know that more than one hundred and 35 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.680 fifty homicidal maniacs have plagued the former Soviet Union during 36 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:02.079 the last one hundred years. Nicknamed the night Creature, the 37 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:06.879 urals Strangler, or the Belashika Ripper in their native motherland, 38 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.960 these sex fiends have committed some of the most heinous 39 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.960 series of murders in the history of modern criminology. This 40 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.960 book follows the stories of twenty five maniacs. Unable to 41 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:23.599 control their dark fantasies, they savagely tortured, strangled, stabbed and 42 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:28.120 defiled their victims in unspeakable ways. Illustrated with more than 43 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:32.280 two hundred photographs unearthed from the secret archives of retired 44 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:37.560 police colonels, and forensic psychiatrists. Russian serial Killers Volume one 45 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.919 Maniacs takes you on a true crime journey from the 46 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.639 suburbs of Moscow to the frozen wastelands of Siberia. The 47 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.039 book that we're featuring this evening is Russian serial Killers 48 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:54.120 Volume one Maniacs, with my special guest author and publisher 49 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.919 Nico kloe Welcome back to the program, and thank you 50 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.039 so much for this interview. 51 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.520 Nko cloeh, thank you, thank you for having me again. 52 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.039 Thank you so much, and congratulations on this extraordinary collection 53 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:11.120 of serial killers. Right away, let's go to how you 54 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:15.039 came to this idea, the origins of this idea, and 55 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:16.439 the origins of this book. 56 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.479 In two thousand and six, I was contacted by a 57 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:25.240 Russian journalist was working for a true crime magazine in 58 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.639 Russia called me Criminal which means the criminal world, and 59 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:33.800 so he wanted to interview me for his readers. The 60 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:38.080 interview went free well, and after that, I you know, 61 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.639 I've been intrigued by stories of Russian serial killers for 62 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.879 years before that, and I had read of course about 63 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.840 Andre Chikatillo, Rastav Ripper, but also about a few others 64 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:56.199 like the Chess bob Killer or the Apopotamus, some of 65 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:00.280 the some of those nicknames that we have read about 66 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.759 in the West, but sometimes, you know, the stories that 67 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.039 we had never heard about. And the crazy thing is 68 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.840 when I mentioned my interest in Russian serial cullers, this 69 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.280 journalist sent me a KDF with over one or your 70 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.319 names with photographs and it was a list of all 71 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.120 the Russian serial killers that he had listed himself. Was 72 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.800 interested in publishing something in Russian about it, but he 73 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.160 said that he didn't have the time and even told 74 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.959 me that the Russian readers would not be interested in 75 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:40.279 such a book. I was quite surprised, because, of course, 76 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.000 as a true crime but you know, I'm always looking 77 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.000 for new stories and I want to know no more. 78 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.199 You know, the Chicken Tillo story is one of the 79 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:54.240 pratziest serial killer stories I've ever read. And just the 80 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.959 fact of knowing that there were like more than ninety 81 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:02.040 nine killers similar killers in Russian history, it is mind blowing. 82 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.800 And so I had this list somewhere in my comp 83 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.680 four years back. In those days, I was working for 84 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:14.439 French publishing company cale Camela, but my boss was not 85 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:18.720 interested in covering those kind of cases. And it's not 86 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:23.079 until last year when I created my own publishing company 87 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:28.000 in English with English others that I've decided to dig 88 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:32.920 up this PDI file and to start doing some deep 89 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:37.680 research in Russian websites, mostly so most of them were 90 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:38.759 written in cyrillic. 91 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:39.800 I have had a. 92 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:43.279 Friend who is fluent in Russian who happened a lot 93 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:48.480 helped me find the right websites. And what's very interesting 94 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.879 is that there is a lot of Russian websites which 95 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.560 covered those cases like we have in the West. So 96 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.319 I was able to find plenty of photographs that were 97 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.560 never published in the West before. And most important for 98 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:10.360 me was to find articles and biographies of each of 99 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.279 those killers. And this is how this book came to life. 100 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.279 Basically, you this is a volume one and you plan 101 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:20.000 to have three volumes. 102 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:21.040 Now tell us. 103 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.959 Why that is. And the other thing is is that 104 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.480 you say that there's one thing shared by all the 105 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.600 killers featured in that in this book, and what is 106 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.360 that one thing that these killers all share? 107 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.920 Well, probably the thing that they all share. One of 108 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:38.920 the things that they all share is that most of 109 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.160 them they are totally unknown in the West, except for 110 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.120 Chikatiro and a few others. But for me the important 111 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.199 for us to actually give life to those stories, because 112 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.879 those stories, I think that they deserve to be known, 113 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.839 they deserve to be available to a large audience, and 114 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:01.279 they deserve to be you know, each story it's totally 115 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.439 different from the other, but at the same time you 116 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:10.519 can actually see similar amos or I don't know, some 117 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.480 of those killers have the equivalent in the West. And 118 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:17.839 that's what I really found fascinating with those stories. As 119 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.759 I told you, in this par file that I had, 120 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.759 there were more than one undred names, and I had 121 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:27.680 to narrow down for the purpose of a single book 122 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:30.600 to twenty five because I didn't want those books to 123 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:37.519 be catalogs with short bios. For me, this is totally meaningless, useless. 124 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:41.720 I wanted to develop each story, and each story did 125 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.800 at least deserved at least three or four pages. Some 126 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.920 of those stories they cover more than twenty pages in 127 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.439 the book. And I soon realized, of course that I couldn't, 128 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.800 you know, put one hundred killers in one single book. 129 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.480 It would be a one thousand pages book. So I 130 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.000 decided to split it in threevolumes. The first volume is 131 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:06.240 focusing on what the Russians called many Acts. This is 132 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.240 the word that they have for this, it's thought for 133 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:14.240 sexual predators. The second volume will be un cannibals. 134 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.000 So the I've. 135 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:21.199 Listed more than twenty cannibals in Russia, most most of 136 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.920 them serial killers, so that's an impressive number. Of course, 137 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.920 there's a chicken Tillo, but there's so many others that 138 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.000 we have never heard of in the West. And this 139 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.360 is the story that I am working on right now. 140 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.080 And the third book will be focused on what they 141 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.440 call the in Russia the exterminators, and for them, it's 142 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.480 people who kill victims whould the thing deserves to be 143 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:51.960 killed because, for example, or the sexual orientation, or because 144 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:57.480 of the religion or the ethnicity. And surprisingly those are 145 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:02.000 the ones who have the biggest bodycounts well, and yes 146 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:07.159 it's incredible. For example, the chessboart killer definitely belongs to 147 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.639 that category of exterminators. So there would be three volume Mender. 148 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.360 The first volume, the book that we are talking about 149 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:17.879 now and that I have released two months ago, is 150 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.720 focusing on sex many acts, and as you have seen 151 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:27.799 while reading the book, there's a lot of different paraphilias 152 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:31.639 throughout the books that are shown by these killers, whether 153 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:37.080 it be fetishism, the craffilia, bondage, s and m. There's 154 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:41.960 an entire white spectrum of deviances, and I have found 155 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.399 this to be extremely intriguing. 156 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:46.960 You say that the one thing that is shared by 157 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.440 all these killers as well featured in this book is 158 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:54.200 their obsession for cruelty. Oh yes, yes, given that, let's 159 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.440 go and go through the list of the twenty five killers, 160 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.039 starting with Boris Goose. Then you call him the student 161 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:05.240 Hunter and named the kills, and also the number of 162 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:09.679 kills pardon me, and the dates that they the murderous 163 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:10.840 reign occurred. 164 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.840 So let's start with Bussakov, the student Hunter who killed 165 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.320 in the late late sixties. He killed six women. Then 166 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:24.519 there is Nikolai Shestakov, the luberrets Kimniak, who killed twelve 167 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.720 victims in nineteen seventy five in the space of a year. 168 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:34.000 We have Vladimir Saramia forgive by accent, of course, I'm 169 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.519 not firenteen Russian. He only killed, well holy, he only 170 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:42.279 killed two people, and he was called the Alexandrovski repper. 171 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.679 We have Andrei, killer of women in red, so he 172 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.320 had this specific fetish with the women who were dressing 173 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.200 in the color red. He killed nine women. 174 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:55.000 In the late late. 175 00:10:54.919 --> 00:11:00.279 Seventies, he was also killed. The kind eyed killer is 176 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:04.320 quite quite interesting as a nickname. One of my favorites 177 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:08.279 in the books in terms of story telling and the 178 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:14.080 sheer BodyCount with nineteen nineteen kills in the late eighties 179 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:19.360 is sgeiakhovs he Barashicai Reaper, also nicknamed the Hippopotamus because 180 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.720 of his size. This chapter as probably the most graphic 181 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.960 pictures in the book. Yes, then we have the cemetery 182 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:31.120 maniac took an off eight killed during the nineties. We 183 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.799 have Anatoly Nagi, have a very interesting one the Pugatcheva's 184 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.639 taught he was obsessed with an actress and he killed 185 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.480 women who looked like her. And he committed the massacre 186 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.000 inside the train on the bodies from the moving train. 187 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.519 It was a horriworll site. We have Eagle shar Natt, 188 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:53.919 the evil spirit of calf healths He with four kills 189 00:11:54.240 --> 00:12:00.000 was working in military grounds. He was killing in military grounds. 190 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:04.960 Have igle It Tilts show from Saint Petersburg the stadistic 191 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.759 male prostitute with nine victims, an interesting case. Also after 192 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:15.559 this we have sarg Ship of the vest Chickatillo let 193 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.200 me just tell you about all those Chickatilo copy CAATs, 194 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:23.279 because that's quite interesting. Right after the the Chickatillo case 195 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.159 was covered by the media early in nineties, there was 196 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:32.080 a lot of copycats in Russia and each were nicknamed 197 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:36.159 the For example, if they were killing in the verse 198 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.080 region they were, they were named the Verse Chickatillo. So 199 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:45.600 ship of kills, for example, fourteen victims the late nineties, 200 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.879 four five years after the last victim of Andrei Chikatiro. 201 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:50.799 We are here. 202 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.000 We have one of the most interesting cases in the book, 203 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.159 in my opinion, and a totly slippo also known as 204 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.600 the Honored Torture with seven kills between nineteen sixty four 205 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:11.879 and nineteen eighty five. After this we moving to Vladimirmu Hunking, 206 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:18.360 another Chicatillo copy cut, nicknamed the puppill of Chackatillo, with 207 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.000 nine kills in nineteen ninety five, nine murders in the 208 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.919 space of one year. Then we have body Cerebriakov, the 209 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.639 Night Creatures, the night creature he was getting in the 210 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.720 late seven sixties. And what's interesting with him is that 211 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.000 he had a very swell ammo to Richard Ramirez. He 212 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:42.399 would break and enter into homes and kill the person's 213 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:47.120 while they were sleeping. It's a very interesting case. So 214 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.879 it was not called the Night's Talker but the night creature. 215 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.000 This also is really interesting. Then we have an Aatoy 216 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.279 would kind Ood he had enough Kimmniac nine kills between 217 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:04.759 nineteen sixty eight and nineteen seventy three. And Vladimirus of 218 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.919 the boy Untwer five kills between seventy four seventy five. 219 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:13.799 Vladimir vini Chevski, it's a really old case from the thirties, 220 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:19.919 nineteen thirty eight, ninety thirty nine, and he killed eight boys. 221 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.360 He was, you know, not really older than his victims, 222 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:28.120 as a teenager, one of the youngest stereo killers in Russia. 223 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:32.399 Then we have Nikolai Fefilov, the control in Nias Strangler, 224 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:38.559 seven killers in the eighties. We have vasillequalic Ill Pusk Monster. 225 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.840 He was a doctor who killed his victims in nineteen 226 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:48.080 eighty four and nineteen eighty six. Very interesting case too. 227 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.799 And now it's time to talk about Russia's most prolific 228 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:58.759 sterio killer with seventy eight victims a totally crazy body counts. Yeah, 229 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.159 he killed them between nineteen ninety two and twenty ten. 230 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.399 His name is Mihael Popkoff, was also known as the 231 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:12.519 Werewolf of Siberia or the Angersque Maniac. He was a policeman, 232 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.159 so it was easy for him to actually leave no trace, 233 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.159 no crew whatsoever. This is why he told so many people. 234 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.840 Then we haven't Alexander Besilov, the night Demon or like 235 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:30.200 could lets off the Balashka Ripper ten victims in between 236 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.679 ninety one and ninety two. One of the most interesting 237 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:38.840 now Selgei tash Pavlov had maniac also known as the 238 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:45.080 Polovski maniac, thirty seven victims between ninety eighty and two 239 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:49.519 thousand and five, or nearly twenty five years without being arrested. 240 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.039 He also was a policeman. There is a lot of 241 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.080 photos also in this chapter. We are near the end 242 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:02.879 with the well known nepro Clovsk many acts. You probably 243 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.039 have heard of them, because yes, they did a video 244 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:11.200 of the extremely graphic senough video filming themselves where they 245 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.679 were killing a homeless person with farms and knives. This 246 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.360 was leaked and you could find those videos in websites 247 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.240 such as aubridge dot com. 248 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:21.000 Back in those. 249 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:25.919 Days, they killed twenty one homeless people in the space 250 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.320 of two months in two thousand and seven. 251 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:31.879 Incredible, incredible, incredible. 252 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.559 So that's not the last case in the book. The 253 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:41.000 last case is actually back to your Matya Kubov, also 254 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.480 known as the who'sbeg Chickachillo, another really interesting case. It 255 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.799 was nicknamed the Maniac in White Gloves because it would 256 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.799 always wear white gloves while committee his crimes. So, yes, 257 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.240 this is the list of the twenty five killers that 258 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:01.039 are featured in this book. Most of those killers or 259 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:05.400 most of those cases are illustrated by dozens of photos. 260 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.039 I tried to write the definitive book on those cases. 261 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.599 It has never been done before, and I wanted to 262 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:18.480 these series of books to be the the reference on 263 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:19.839 the subject. 264 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:24.519 Before we start going and specifically exploring the specifics of 265 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.039 some of these other some of these crimes from these killers, 266 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:32.160 because are quite interesting as the case studies themselves. You 267 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.480 explained to and you touched on it in terms of 268 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:40.480 the government and the police not acting like we had 269 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.279 seen the golden age of serial killers treated in America 270 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.160 with the media all a frenzy. So, as you write 271 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.799 in the book, explain the situation in Russia in terms 272 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:55.759 of the politics and the media and their attitude towards 273 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.119 admitting that there was a problem and there were serial 274 00:17:59.200 --> 00:17:59.960 killers in Russi. 275 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.279 So alf of the cases that I cover in this 276 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:07.759 book were committed before eighty nine. As you know, nineteen 277 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.920 eighty nine was the date when Soviet Empire collapsed, and 278 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.759 it was also the year when the crimes of a 279 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:21.839 chickatillo became to receive international coverage. What was happening during 280 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.640 the Soviet period. There was a lot of crimes, of course, 281 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.640 and what's surprising is that there was as many crimes 282 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:34.559 serial murders in the USSR then in America at the 283 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:39.359 same time in the seventies, in the sixties. There's even 284 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:44.240 serialties in the thirties in Russia. But those crimes were 285 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:49.039 deliberately not talked about. When the police would find out 286 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:52.119 that they had a serial the louse in the province 287 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:57.799 or in the local town, they would alert the higher authorities, 288 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.279 but they would not communicate to the press. So all 289 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:08.519 those cases they that just would not be covered by 290 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.400 the national press at all. You must understand that crime 291 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.119 in general and cerial murder, of course, were considered as 292 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:21.559 typically Western evils. Those kinds of things were not supposed 293 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.400 to happen in the Soviet the Soviet Republic. So when 294 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.039 a case implying several murders and sex murders was investigated 295 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.240 by the local police, they would, first of all, they 296 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.000 would try to find as soon as possible a possible suspect. 297 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.640 They would torture the suspect until he would confess to 298 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.200 the crimes, even if it was nowhere near the crime scenes, 299 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:50.680 and then they would say, okay, we've got, you know, 300 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.839 the suspect. We've got the person who's guilty. He was 301 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.839 sent to prison, usually killed before he would even go 302 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.559 on trial, and they would try to just you know, 303 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.880 cover the case. And it's only when local people would 304 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.839 find out that there would be other victims in their 305 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:13.160 community that they will actually not call the local police 306 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.680 because they did not even trust them anymore. So they 307 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:19.359 would try to alert the higher instances that the people 308 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:23.839 at the Soviet party were, you know, above the police 309 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.880 bureaucracy of the local town. 310 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:26.119 Right. 311 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.240 So this is why those crimes they were just put 312 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.920 on the carpet. They were they were locked inside a cupboard. 313 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:36.799 There were skeletons in the closet basically of the Russian regime, 314 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:42.640 and when the Soviet Union collapsed, journalists began to have 315 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:46.559 access to police archives and they found out that there 316 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.279 was a lot of cases that they had never heard 317 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:54.279 about before. So they began to cover those cases. And 318 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:58.119 it is when they began to publish through Prime magazine 319 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:02.480 detective magazines, which most of them were created in the nineties, 320 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.119 and they would cover those cases. But at the same 321 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:09.960 time it still was not still was considered as something 322 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.640 that was typically Western and American words themselves here and 323 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.240 killer was never used when covering those cases. They would 324 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.440 talk about maniacs. That's the word that they liked when 325 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.160 describing those kinds of cases. Chikatillo. Of course, it was 326 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.319 impossible to cover the case the case I mean, so 327 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:34.240 this is when they actually began to talk about to 328 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.960 cover the cases when it was impossible to hide anymore. 329 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.359 This is when they covered such cases as the chessboard 330 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.759 killer or Theopopotamus, because there were so many victims that 331 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:47.480 it was just impossible to hide. 332 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.680 What's fascinating, and I spoke too, is that I've read 333 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:55.240 numerous accounts of the police overreach and overstepping and using 334 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:01.480 the third degree before Miranda warnings legislation in America. But 335 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:07.519 this book is right with wrongful conviction by virtue of 336 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:13.359 wrongful confessions, by virtue of outright torture and beatings of suspects. 337 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.200 Yes, police brutality at it's worse, and they would even 338 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.160 pay convicts inside the prisons to actually kill suspects for 339 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.000 them so that there would. 340 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:24.400 Be no trial. 341 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:27.480 It was easier for them, and this was their way 342 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:31.720 to hide the failure as an investigate team. So yes, 343 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.880 it was really hard times. For example, when we're talking 344 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:38.799 about murders in the gay community, of course they would 345 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:43.839 target people who were considered by the state as enemies 346 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.359 of the state because of the sexual orientation. There were 347 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:50.640 some innocent people who ended up in jail or were 348 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:54.839 killed because they were only accused. It's a sad reality, 349 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:58.240 but that's definitely what used to happen in those days 350 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.759 in the Soviet Republic. 351 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.799 And let's use this as an opportunity to stop for 352 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.359 a second to hear from our sponsor, which is Skylight Frames. 353 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.400 The holidays are just around the corner. 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Well, some of the things 381 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.359 that we think are unique and exclusive to American serial 382 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.559 killers as legendary one that we regard the golden age 383 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:07.480 of serial killing. These Russian serial killers, these counterparts have 384 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.720 bizarre and extraordinary parallels with some of the most famous 385 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:17.319 and legendary serial killers in American and world true crime history. 386 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.319 So let's go through just a few of those. But 387 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:25.279 I wanted to talk about Anatotly slipco And whose nickname 388 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.240 is the Honored Torturer or the counselor Ripper's talk a 389 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:29.960 little bit by him. 390 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.680 It is one of the most bizarre casy featured in 391 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:36.119 the book. 392 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.440 Different It's a case that I had. 393 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.559 Never heard about. I had heard rumors about Russian serio 394 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:48.920 curers who was filming snuff movies, but had never had 395 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.759 a name before. And it's only when I covered the 396 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.480 kids that I realized that this was the one. This 397 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.559 was actually the Russian serial curios was actually filming uh 398 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:04.160 his own murders. And the craziest thing about it is 399 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.640 that it happened in the sixties, So there is a 400 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.920 little bit of we have to cover. Is the thing 401 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.759