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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening

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to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is your host,

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George Hobbs.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we

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record on this Wednesday, July the sixteenth, twenty twenty five.

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I hope this podcast finds you well in the future

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when you listen to it. We have a great guest

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standing by we're going to jump into it today. Joining

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us today is Scott Roeder.

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Speaker 3: He is the.

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Speaker 2: President of Evidence Room LLC. Their mission is to be

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the foremost provider of forensic animations and demonstrative evidence exhibits

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on a global scale. He's been in business since two

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thousand and one and they've honed his expertise in crafting

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precise crime and shooting scene reconstructions through cutting edge three

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D CGI modeling, and they offer a comprehensive suit of

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services that encompasses medical and surgical animations and illustrations, demonstrative

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evidence creation, as well as invaluable trial support. And we'll

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talk about all of these things, including his strategic consultation.

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He's been involved in many, many cases in not just

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in the United States, but around the world. Without any

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further ado, our guest today is Scott Road or Good evening, sir,

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and thanks again for your time tonight.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, George. Such an honor to be here. I'm

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a huge fan of your show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I should have mentioned beforehand you have a podcast too.

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You probably want to mention that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I kind of do it out

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of just a love of sharing some information. It's called

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Crime Scene Time Machine. We don't run any advertisements on

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the show. I do it just kind of as a cathartic,

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you know, interaction with people out there and one place

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to have fun discussions and kind of see where see

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where it takes us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the things we're going to talk

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about today is the jfk assassination. And over the last

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five years, I've had numerous people on his guest, Jim

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Fetzer believed it was the driver who killed him. You know,

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there's all kinds of theories out there, and it's interesting

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when you talk about Crime Scene Time Machine even have

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you ever taken a look I know this is off topic,

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but have you ever taken a look at TWA eight

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hundred I.

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Speaker 4: Have actually as a result of your show. You got

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me so interested in that. I remember when that happened.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And as I look back at that time when when

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I was a very young father at that time, I

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was working two jobs. I had two small children. We

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were living in the top half of a double you know.

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It was where I'm working sixteen hours a day, playing

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with kids, going to baseball practices, and you know, just

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trying to be a young dad with no money, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and I remember when that happened.

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Speaker 4: It was I remember being something that really terrified me

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because I was horrified.

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Speaker 1: After nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: It was two thousand and one when nine to eleven happened,

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and I was a very young professional at that time,

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just in my late twenties, but my first real international

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and national kind of work consultations where I just started

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to have to learn how to fly on a regular basis.

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And had that happened the very next week, I had

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a fly to Maine where one of the where one

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of the planes actually originated from, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was horrified.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, this couple of years, several years later, I

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took note of that and I thought that that was

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just inexplicable and horrifying. I mean since then, I you know,

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I fly so much now it doesn't bother me. But yeah,

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I've looked at that, and you know, I really think

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I like the the theory that it was shot down

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by the US Navy with a missile, the helicopters, the

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helicopter pilot's testimony, I think to you, and then separately

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on another place where he's been very consistent over the years,

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that he was the first on the scene and he

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was able to see. I mean, this guy was an

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experienced helicopter pilot when he was there, he saw what happened.

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I take his testimony as the most credible and most

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accurate based on all physical and forensic evidence. I find

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his testimony to be extremely reliable. And I think that

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the fact that it wasn't followed up on legally or

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even in the media, I mean, that's a crime amongst

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the now counting thousands of crimes that our government and

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overseers put upon.

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Speaker 1: Us in these decades.

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Speaker 4: That my hair grows thin and my face drags to

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the ground a bit more, you know.

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Speaker 1: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting with all of the crime scenes, right

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when you think of the big crime scenes in history.

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a terrorist right, but it is one of the largest

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crime scenes in history. And people are going to point

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Speaker 3: But three of the really.

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Speaker 2: That altered the course of history. That So with TWA

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eight hundred and I meant to say, all three of

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these that I'm about to mention are flight incidents. To me,

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I've never seen an incident want to be swept under

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the rug. And it's not like, you know, with the

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Epstein thing going on now, you guys just fighting about

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it and saying it should go away. Wa flight hunter

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just went away like they just stopped talking about it.

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And then with the one in front of me here

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know, I do you mind if I jump

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of a I guess a Twitter x controversy over that

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Speaker 1: Actually whatever you call it, you can see my assistant

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sets it up for me.

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Speaker 4: But I've since you know, started to learn how to

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give content to it, you know a little bit better.

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I met up with Ashton Forbes, the gentleman who has

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the theory that this is footage taken by the gorgon

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Stare software system run by Palatine PayPal. You know guy

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the planeteer, Guy Pantier, guy who owns the software called

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gorgon Stare with an Artemis one software package update, which

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when attached to a Reaper drone gives the ability to

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take the kind of footage that has been leaked. And

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Ashton Forbes has been for over a year now saying

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he thinks this is original footage, and I agreed with him.

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I thought that he met his burden of proof that

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that footage of the plane disappearing is authentic. Now whether

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now what how it gets disappeared, I haven't gone there,

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he seems through his udies in physics and talking with

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people like Abby Lobe, who I've spoke with many times

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from Harvard, who's the guy who found amuamua the interstellar object,

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and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Asking Congress for billions of dollars. But nice guy. Actually

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Speaker 4: And just as a side note, and this probably will

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give everybody, tip them off to my adhd Abby Lobe

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when I first met him and I did a podcast

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with him about three four years ago, it was about

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a muamua, and I was trying to relate that to

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kind of these interstellar UFO phenomenon that went wild starting

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at about twenty nineteen, with guys like lu Alizondo and

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Christopher Mellon of the Melon Banking family and all of

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these CIA players trying to push this sky emergency kind

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of situation, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so I talked to Avi.

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Speaker 4: And the first time I met Abby, it was before

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the Gaza Israel thing happened, popped off, right, and he

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you know. Yeah, he's got COO citizenship. And then on

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the third time that I interviewed him, and I'm Christian,

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and I actually thank you for reminding me to be

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a good Christian. And that's part of the reason why

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I fell in love with your show. You know, as

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struggle as it might be, so, but I try to

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reach out to people, and even him, I'm very you know,

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own private Harvard professor. I could see that with but

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he was very anti Gaza, calling them names and such.

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like he said, he was on the court. He said

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to me, I'm in Israel right now. We need to

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stop investing in money into weapons of self defense and

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weapons of war because it will only beget war. He

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took a pro Palestinian anti war stance as a Jewish

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israel sign. I was so proud of him that he

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made that conversion to see the truth for what it is.

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And as a Christian, it's a Jewish man I'm very

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proud to call my friend and mentor.

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Speaker 1: He really came around. And it proves you that older

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people can learn.

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Speaker 3: Too, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And that's and anytime you call a call out an

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entire group of people as evil, you just can't do that.

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and even just this morning they started bombing Syria, the

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capital of Syria again. And those are people, man, those

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people have been just getting bombed for the last thirteen years.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever it's been. It's just, man, it's hard to see.

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Speaker 4: Little Ohio has a very large Palestinian and Arabic community,

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mostly Christian Arabs, but a lot of Muslim Arabs too.

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My kids grew up next. You know, they are the

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most loving, wonderful people. We might have a different spiritual idealizations,

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but it doesn't matter. There's so good human beings and

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for them to get maligned to like this on Twitter,

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it's just it's hurtful how people are so easily calling

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the other person filthy when they're the leper sharing the food,

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and I try to have positive conversations when it comes

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to this stuff, but you know I have fall victim

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Speaker 1: Man, you get caught.

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Speaker 2: Up in it, you do, especially on Twitter, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Get Yeah, so yeahhe three seventy right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's something I wanted to run. I wanted

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Speaker 3: So yeah, one of the things that.

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Speaker 1: The video is real.

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Speaker 4: But what's happening in the video, I think is I

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started trying to learn about it, but I got busy

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with my work. You know, I can't learn physics and

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do a crime scene company of the same time, so uh,

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Speaker 1: As like you know, downtime conversation. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, one thing that kind of goes under the radar

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that doesn't get talked about enough. Is there were twenty

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individuals that were scientists who work for a company called

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Free Scale Semiconductor, and they were in this early stages

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of creating this crisper technology, and so they disappear, the

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scientists disappear, and then Freescale Semiconductor gets sold by NXP

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less than a year later.

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Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, it's always

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about the money.

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Speaker 4: It's always about the consolidation of assets.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the.

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Speaker 4: Guy who gets away with the prize just gets the

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one who gets to write the headlines.

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, it just keeps happening.

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Speaker 2: And I bet you the NXP is NXPI. I bet

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you if I I asked Google or whoever you know

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who owns them, it's going to be Vanguarden, black Rock. Well, yeah,

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don't own everything, right, Yes, I don't even have to look,

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but I'm sure somebody's listening to the podcast will look

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that up to verify. But the other out of the three, right,

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This one was just an individual. So Bin Laden had

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a brother named Salem Salem Bin Laden. He was friends

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with the Bush family, always visiting Houston. His plane crashed

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around Houston, like before all this nonsense kicked off. I

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and that was just an oh, by the way accident,

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and a lot of people end credence to the fact

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that he kind of may be caught wind of the

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scheme of this whole thing, because even bin Laden's father

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was in DC or New York City. I can ever

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and that was the only plane to fly that day

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other than the president.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, No, I believe that is to be true.

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Speaker 4: Now when it comes to nine to eleven, I think

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I like to try to base things on my kind

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of experience in reconstructing accidents and crimes. I get more

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fascinated with the impact of the airplanes allegedly into the

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two buildings. Of course that doesn't count Building seven and

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or the Pentagon, and also that field in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I there.

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Speaker 4: Was clearly in three of those buildings, and I think

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four buildings of Pentagon Building seven. And then it's when

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towers had pre existing explosives in certain areas to allow

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these buildings, the three buildings to collapse, and then the

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Pentagon for that records area to blow up, right, And

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so I find that the most compelling aspect to show

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that the fraud was in the books were cooked. As

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they say, hold on a second, where's my coincidence?

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Speaker 1: Jar? Yeah, man, it's uh so.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's clear those buildings came down in

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a controlled demolition. Willingly now whether those were remote control airplanes,

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or whether they really were terrorists on there, or whether

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they were just players in a war games exercise went awry.

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I think a lot of those things are possible, some

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are more probable than the others. But I think the

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thing that cannot that stands on its own objectively, is

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that those three buildings in New York came down in

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a control, deliberate way, pulverized sheet metal. It doesn't you know,

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there was nothing physical left, you know, it was everything

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the asbestos in the air and anyway the Pentagon. So

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I think that's the most compelling part about nine to eleven,

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And the other stuff is it's so interesting but it's

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such a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: And then also you still kind of get shamed talking

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about nine to eleven and it's weird. What do you

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think about that, George?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that there's a certain gentleman who I

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served with three of my four tours in Iraq, and

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if I ever bring that up, he gets very angrily

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angry at me, as in some way, shape or form

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me questioning this is like disparaging our service. And listen,

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we should be in search of the truth, no matter

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how bitter it tastes. I'm the type of person who

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prefers the bitter truth over a sweet lie. That there's

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some people who just I don't know what it is.

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If it's they feel it's going to change the trajectory

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of their comfortableness if they open their eyes and kind

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of see the world for what it is.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the reason that they don't want

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to admit something so obvious and to have that cognitive

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dissonance as survival chechnique because their ego and their psyche

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can't handle admitting being fooled and believing a lie gives

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you more dignity to believe that you want fooled and

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be wrong than to admit that you were wrong and

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admit you're a fool, not in a bad way. Listen,

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I was a fool about everything in my life until

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I turned about thirty two, you know. Uh, and then

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now I'm fifty three and I'm like still trying to

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figure it out.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know when you said it that way,

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that's exactly him. He's very he's a very proud guy.

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Not in a discerning way, but just he will He's

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not the you know that everybody has a guy who

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who will never say he's sorry or he's wrong, but

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he's a good guy at heart.

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Speaker 3: He's he's that guy.

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Speaker 2: And I think now that you mentioned that, yeah, he

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doesn't want to admit that he was fooled in all

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those years were in I guess in vain is the

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only way to really put it.

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Speaker 4: But well, I mean it's I think your intention takes

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into account.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of friends that are kind of

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biblical Christians and go back to Old Testament, and they

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started like, did you read Deuteronomy? Like, well, no, I

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didn't read Deuteronomy, but I do like all the stuff

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Jesus has to say. That's a much more loving. I

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guess we're selective science. But yeah, but I think being

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that humble, you're like, yeah, it's not a big deal

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of that I was wrong about something on this earth

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at whatever age it was, I experienced that.

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Speaker 1: Thing and made an opinion that I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I had to time myself too until I was dead.

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You know, it's hard to just admit, yeah, I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I messed up.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, By the way, I should mention black Rock and

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Vanguard own thirteen percent of NXP Semiconductors.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if you I wonder if they owned thirteen

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percent of Evidence Room you never know, sol pro priorship

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since two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: I call it.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: Eate criminal unemployment because you're constantly every day, you know,

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you're constantly like, we got to get some work.

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Speaker 1: I've got, you know, six full time employees. Yeah, and

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you know we're busy.

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Speaker 4: I just pick up the phone nowadays because I've been

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doing it for such a long time. But in the

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early days, you know, you're on the phone, you know

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your work, and you're trying to get people to give

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you business so that you can provide for your family

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and you know, it's just it's hard for everybody out there,

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no matter where you're at in your life. Everybody, I

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think I'm never going to retire. I think you just

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I'm just going to grind until I can't grind no more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's you know, that's one of the greatest lessons

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I learned when I had my own business in Texas.

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Employees you call them employees, but they were extended family members.

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You you look out for them, you take care of them,

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you provide for them, you provide for their families, and

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you understand. You don't really understand until you own a

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business the inherent responsibility of you know, they work for

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you to provide, you know, all the money you invested

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to start this business, and in return, you're you know,

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you're you're feeding their family and insurance and all this

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other stuff. It is one of the great responsibilities and things.

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I'll I'm hoping to open another business here in the

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near future. But I'll tell you that's just congrass on

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you in this day and age. To to be in

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business for almost twenty five years. It says a lot

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about your discipline, because that's the one thing you have

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to have to be a businessman. You need to have

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self discipline because nobody else is going to do it

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for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to continue to be better, and

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you have to be humble enough to know when it's

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time to grow and give up control of certain things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and rely on other people to fulfill those things. Right.

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And I've been so lucky to see these people grow

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with me.

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Speaker 4: One guy, Pat's been with me for seventeen years, Megan

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has been with me for four, and we've got some

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newcomers and so on. And we have people that's been

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here for ten years and they went into other great

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careers and now they have children. And I have, you know,

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a little I have babies coming into the evidence room.

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Speaker 1: You know that weren't there before.

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Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't married when he worked for me,

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and now he's married and he's got babies. And you know,

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we've been there for each other when my father died

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or when you know his brother, you know whatever, like

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we all.

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Speaker 1: Rely on each other.

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Speaker 4: You're right, we are family, and there's a sense of

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and I don't feel I feel like it's such an

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honor to, you know, be good at something enough that

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people can also be good at it. With you learn

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it as you learn it, grow it as you grow it,

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and then ultimately, you know, make a life for them

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for whatever path they choose. You know, Amen, Amen, something

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to go away with, you know, some good experiences and

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stories because if you're in the white collar field of

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whether it's education or science, or law enforcement or politics

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or philosophy or writing or reporting, journalism, podcastsing whatever it

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is that we just do these soft sciences with, right,

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it's all about being able to have a story, to

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be relatable as a human being, and how you problem solved,

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because that's all business is.

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Speaker 1: It's problem solving, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, problem solving that that's it should be number one

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on your resumes, folks, because problem solving is becoming a

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lost art. I wanted to mention. I wanted to ask

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you this question to kind of segue into JFK. Did

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JFK was that something you take that you took a

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look at prior to starting your business. Did that have

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any effect on you starting your business or is it

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more of a you got into crime scene and then

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you went back and looked at the JFK assassination and

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kind of analyzed it differently than maybe most of us would.

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Speaker 1: Great question.

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Speaker 4: So I really didn't have it on my radar as

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a critical piece of history that I needed to be

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attached to, probably until the year twenty ten something like that.

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When I started my business, you know, I was a

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demonstrative evidence guy where we did graphics science graphics for lawyers,

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you know, medical illustrations, medical animations, surgical animations. It was

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a technical art form, you know, but there was no

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forensic expert capability to it. So then when I moved

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into that kind of as your career evolves, we started

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doing more shoot sciences and I'm now as owner of

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Evidence Room. I've worked on over a thousand shooting related

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death cases, okay in my career, both as an expert

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witness and as a consultant or analyst as part of

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a legal team, whether it's a single gunshot, a suicide,

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a mass shooting.

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Speaker 1: Most of the ones that I.

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Speaker 4: Work on our police involved shooting cases, I worked both

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for plaintiffs and for law enforcement. I'm I'm not I'm

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an objective opinion expert witness. So I don't tell you

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this is a bad guy or that's a bad guy,

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or boat this way or that way. I'm just telling you, well,

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this is how the bullets moved, This is where everybody

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was when this happened, and these were the decisions that

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were made to make these happen. This is what the

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blood means, and that means the body was here. I

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don't tell you this, you know, I try. I try

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to just keep it to what the evidence means, right,

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and then we make animations.

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Speaker 1: To show it.

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Speaker 4: So as a result of doing that work, I met

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a guy by the name of doctor Cyril Weck out

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of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, just recently passed away days of ninety three.

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I'm proud to call him a friend of mine, a

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mentor of mine, a colleague of mine. I worked with

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him for about fifteen years or so. He just passed away.

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I probably started working with him in twenty ten and so.

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Doctor Weck was a Navy medical doctor pathologist in nineteen

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sixty three and living in Dallas, Texas with his good

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friend who worked at the surgical department of the PARKLA

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Medical Hospital where John F. Kennedy was brought in after

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he was shot that day, where they did an autopsy

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demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt the back of his head

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was blown out, which indicated a shot from the front

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because the way the bullet works of it's point two

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two three round in that weapon, we could get into

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So but that's how I got into it because doctor

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Weck was the foremost expert on the John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination.

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Speaker 4: He was there, he lived at Live Right. He wrote

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many books. Uh, the greatest murder mystery ever. He consulted

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with Oliver Stone and uh the magic bullet theory, uh

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was his terminology for that movie.

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Speaker 1: And uh and so on. So you know, he was

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one of the greats out there.

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Speaker 4: And uh, you know I wrote a book with him

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and doctor Henry Lee and Melvin Tucker, doctor Van.

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Speaker 1: Bren Blair come called Prevention Office of All Deaths.

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Speaker 4: And we're sitting around, you know, after the book rewrite

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and the third day at his Pittsburgh hospital house.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's having a brandy and a cigar.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Lee is making a cup of tea with his

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own tea that he brought from Connecticut, you know, and

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they're arguing about the O. J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson case. Doctor Lee was on the O. J. Simpson case.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I worked with Johnny Cochran many times. He

481
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was my first client. Really has Yeah, and uh, a

482
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lot of people feel and we'll get into JFK. But

483
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:04,039
that's how I met doctor Weck. But just to talk

484
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:05,680
about Johnny Cocker for a second. In the O. J.

485
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,799
Simpson case, now I got to meet Johnny. He was

486
00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:12,160
my first client as a private businessman. In two thousand

487
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,440
and two, I drove to Chicago. I was a young kid.

488
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920
I had five cases under my belt. I knock out

489
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,279
Johnny Cockran's door. I'm like, I want to do.

490
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Speaker 1: I want to work for you doing shooting scenes and stuff.

491
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:24,599
Speaker 4: Because he was all you know, it was after OJ

492
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,279
and at five years after OJI, the biggest layer in

493
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,200
the world at this point. Yeah, I come in there

494
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,240
a million white kid, all black lawyers.

495
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: I'm so like, oh my god, from Cleveland.

496
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,279
Speaker 4: So that's not a big deal, right, And so I

497
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,720
do my presentation for like, you know, forty five.

498
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: Minutes and I was like, I like him, hire him.

499
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,599
And he was the most magnificent man. Tape a wonderful opportunity.

500
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 4: I've been working for his law for him since there's

501
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,200
just great people and they're fighting for people's rights.

502
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: And I give Hi all the world for that.

503
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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

504
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Speaker 2: Before we get back into yeah, I'm sorry. Before we

505
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,319
get back into JFK, you mentioned that you've handled all

506
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,799
hundreds and high undreds of these murder cases, and I

507
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,519
understand that you're really looking at the scientific that kind

508
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,400
of thing. But have you ever taken the time to think,

509
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,559
is there a common denominator when a man decides to

510
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:15,920
take another human being's life?

511
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:25,799
Speaker 4: Well, that's a provocative question, George Dare. I think I'm

512
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,039
knowledgeable enough to make it opinion of that. I think

513
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:40,359
that there's it's a long process to get there. I

514
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,480
think it's a sliding scale. I think you don't just

515
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,599
spur to anger in a moment's notice unless you have

516
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:56,799
years and years of wearing down of that sense of

517
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,519
peace that allows you to then get fit enough to

518
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,240
then snap.

519
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:02,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

520
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: I think it's different for everybody.

521
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: Everybody has different lives, difficult from different places, different medical conditions,

522
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,680
physical beings, spiritual situations, addictions, abuses.

523
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,599
Speaker 1: Victim being at whatever.

524
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,039
Speaker 4: It's a complicated world that we live in and it's

525
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,599
very easy for people. And I see people with their

526
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,480
worst days. Right, this is when I'm I'm kind of

527
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,279
the the John Madden of the well this is what happened, folks.

528
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it never stops coming.

529
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: The plays just keep on getting called at that line

530
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,599
of scrimmage, and these guys still go out there for

531
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,759
that past and then they get popped and you know,

532
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,480
they their case lands in front of you. It's you know,

533
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,839
it feels so gothic sometimes and I feel, you know,

534
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,480
grateful that it's not just a morbid technical thing.

535
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: We've we've helped people.

536
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,039
Speaker 4: You know, some of the cases result in post conviction

537
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,240
release cases where just recently last summer, we had a

538
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:07,240
case Christopher Dunn, African American and Saint Louis, Missouri, who

539
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,960
in nineteen eighty nine was convicted by sheer speculation and

540
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,440
conjecture of a thirteen year old, fourteen year old and

541
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,279
fifty year old kid two o'clock in the morning with

542
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,000
no lighting whatsoever, spent all of his days thirty two

543
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:20,720
years in jail.

544
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,839
Speaker 1: We get him, finally get him released here I testify.

545
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,799
Weren't great. We're like so excited.

546
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: Then they judge said, set him free. He's actually innocent.

547
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,920
He's now married, living on a beach in San Diego, and.

548
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,519
Speaker 1: So like sometimes we get like that big win.

549
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: We've had like five or six of those in our career,

550
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,440
and they're so hard to get right. We're five six now,

551
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:43,880
so it's not just the morbid, says Technical Science. Sometimes

552
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,079
we actually get to help people, you know, So that's

553
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,839
that's fun. But how that relates to John F. Kennedy

554
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,720
is when I interviewed doctor Weak for my podcast. So

555
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,279
you can go back in my history of the Crime

556
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,720
Scene Time Machine and look at the episode. Just type

557
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,599
in evidence Hipping the Crime Scene Time Machine, Doctor Cyril,

558
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,920
John F. Kennedy Assassination. I probably have eight podcasts that

559
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,200
I've released on John F. Kennedy or inteeing, doctor Weck

560
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,680
and some other colleagues, my own animations I put.

561
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,559
Speaker 1: Out of everything.

562
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,359
Speaker 4: But there's something that doctor I asked him a question,

563
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,640
last question, I said, doctor Weck, it's been fifty years,

564
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,599
sixty years now since John F.

565
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Kennedy has been dead.

566
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: Why should people not born today care about not born?

567
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,039
Why should they care about this? Why is this important?

568
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: A pause?

569
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: He said, because Scott, there was a coupd a'tade that

570
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,799
day in nineteen sixty three where the President of the

571
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:42,359
United States was killed in broad daylight on a major

572
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,759
American city. There was a change of hands and the

573
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,920
power of who controls this country, and that is the

574
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,160
start of the decline of the dream that was the

575
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,519
democracy that was when our government was overthrown and nobody's

576
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,480
been held accountable for that and they never will be. No,

577
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,440
and that's a fact, and that's sad and that upset me.

578
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,440
But it inspired me to talk about why I think

579
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:10,480
that's important.

580
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,559
Speaker 2: It's very important, and not even getting into the I

581
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,160
don't want to get to that point yet. I'm sorry,

582
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,400
but no, that is heavy, and I believe you know,

583
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,319
they say that is the day America lost its innocence,

584
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,799
but that when you hear that from the big media players,

585
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:28,000
that's just them trying to say, oh, that's the day.

586
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,359
You know, here's this president who was It was a

587
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,000
whole romantic time in America, a young forty something president

588
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:37,759
with a beautiful first lady, and boom that happened. But

589
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,519
I mean, that is just literally the first layer of

590
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,759
the onion. You know, that led to that led to Vietnam,

591
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,200
that led to Demona in Israel, it led to I mean,

592
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,559
just that the country has been hijacked. And you're right,

593
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,039
you know, we get told we're going to release the

594
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,279
Epstein files. I just saw your Twitter post with cash

595
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:59,240
Mattel looks like he's.

596
00:30:59,079 --> 00:30:59,839
Speaker 3: Being held a gun point.

597
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that face he makes and everything, it's just kick

598
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,319
they kick the can down, and so many people they

599
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920
just hang on to the hopium thinking that you know,

600
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,759
the next guy who comes along is going to reveal

601
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:19,319
the secrets. Hey, here's a twist, folks. JFK tried to

602
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,559
release the secrets. He came out at the Astoria Hotel

603
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,079
in nineteen April of nineteen sixty one and said he

604
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,759
wanted to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. And

605
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:33,400
the CIA is the organization that is controlled by the

606
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,759
powers that be and probably the people who control the

607
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,759
likes of the Rockefellers and Rothchilds whose names we don't

608
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:40,200
even know.

609
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: Are we talking about the Reptilians here?

610
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: Jordan and maybe.

611
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: A little bit.

612
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,759
Speaker 4: Look, you know, listen, when we get into that conversation,

613
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,880
we're just a couple of guys having fun, maybe a

614
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,880
beer at the barbecue.

615
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,279
Speaker 3: There you go.

616
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's mereditated purposally.

617
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: But the you know, I find it so funny because

618
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,079
when you really break down, like if you ever like for.

619
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: Fun on a vacation. I took one of David Ike's books.

620
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, to Miami, and I'm like, we're golfing and

621
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,359
I'm just read sitting there at the beach. Later reading

622
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,640
the book, I'm getting to David, I like, I'm suicidal

623
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,160
after reading it's just awful.

624
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it might be true, it might be true,

625
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,720
who knows, who knows, But.

626
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,559
Speaker 4: The point is we gotta still have fun and love

627
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,400
each other, try to enjoy these gifts because I think

628
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,599
it's a very special thing to be alive as a

629
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,519
human being, even at these crazy times. And I think

630
00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:35,200
the way to get through it is to a little

631
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480
bit of levity, you know, is okay from time to time.

632
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: You know, not everything has to be what you have

633
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,400
to fight to the death over. You know.

634
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,759
Speaker 4: This is one great analogy of like this guy is

635
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:49,160
like what's important in life. He's got a glass jar

636
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,680
and he puts in golf balls. He's like, he's a full.

637
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Now.

638
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,559
Speaker 4: He puts in pebbles and he's a full. Now he

639
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,240
puts in sand, and now how it's a full jar

640
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,519
media life. The golf balls are the important thing. Family,

641
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:07,599
your friends, your health, your children, food, work, responsibilities to

642
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,680
move your life forward. You know, the little pebbles that's

643
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,400
like sports, your favorite football team, your baseball team, your

644
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,839
friends of friends, your parties, your bars, your pubs, your

645
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,200
golf matches, whatever it is. You got to do this

646
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:24,319
entertainment stuff, watching TV whatever, eating an ice cream cone and.

647
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,599
Speaker 1: Then the sand is like kind of everything else.

648
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,319
Speaker 4: Yep, you know, so I try to treat these things appropriately.

649
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:35,519
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, you don't want to look back at the

650
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,799
end of your life, and you know, I have to

651
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,759
pull myself out of the rabbit hole because you'll just

652
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,359
be broken down all the time, just miserable.

653
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 3: Right.

654
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's real heavy, especially when we talk about nine

655
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
to eleven and things like that, but with JF.

656
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 1: Because people are dead. But you'll listen.

657
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: Being a half Irish and half German, you know, I

658
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,440
give us enough credit to know that you and you

659
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,720
make jokes at funerals because it's a lot easier than

660
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:04,720
crying your eyes out.

661
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's better to.

662
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: Celebrate life as you celebrate the dead. And if we

663
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,800
really are who we say we want to be, you know,

664
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:19,760
I think it's a celebration. It's a that's the sort.

665
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,039
And my father just passed away to the age of

666
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,800
eighty five, and it was it come on ago, I

667
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,760
think very much. And we didn't have the greatest relationship,

668
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,280
but the last couple of years of his life we

669
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,599
really became good friends awesome, and that was such a.

670
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,119
Speaker 1: Gift to me. Uh And.

671
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: But you know, it's how you react to it, you know,

672
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,719
is it going to be as sad? Of course it's sad,

673
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,800
but it'shead of crying. You could laugh until jokes and

674
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,960
stuff and things like that, right, so I think it's

675
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,519
a bit of gallows humor. Being a crime scene expert,

676
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,000
you have to, you know, have a because if I

677
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,480
take every one of the death cases, I work on

678
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,840
it emotionally.

679
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's not much left for everybody else you're done. Well.

680
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: That was one of the questions I had for you, was,

681
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,639
you know, when you deal with this type of thing

682
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,960
day and day out, you have to have some sense

683
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,599
of levity and not I guess make it personal for

684
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,360
lack of better words. I know, in some cases when

685
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,159
you're trying to prove someone's innocence, you can't help but

686
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,639
get personal. But when it comes to the actual death

687
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,480
part of it, you really have to be careful. You

688
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,320
don't want it to have this full blown depression overcome

689
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,960
you right.

690
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,079
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you're right, and I think you get a

691
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,639
warrior mentality about it, and it gets very competitive, you know,

692
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,320
in the courtroom. You know, I was a former baseball player.

693
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,480
Some saved out a very good baseball player. I thought

694
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:41,079
it was okay. But yeah, if I played baseball for years, yeah,

695
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,480
thirty years, I just quit played, you know recently, say up,

696
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,719
bad back whatever.

697
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,679
Speaker 1: And but like the court, it's the same thing.

698
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: You know, you up there, you give your testimony and

699
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,000
you get some highly educated lawyer on cross examination really

700
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:57,880
trying to you know, kick your you know what in

701
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,400
the dirt and get you angry, get you excel, you

702
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,800
know whatever, all kinds of different emotional gas lighting and

703
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,599
manipulation of sites of it. Very rarely do you get

704
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:09,519
a scienceific question across examination. Across examination, you get a

705
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,559
lot of hypothetical uh and uh, let me read you

706
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:17,719
something out of a deposition and then UH ask you

707
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,719
a really long yes or no question.

708
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,079
Speaker 1: You know. So there's a competitiveness, there's a.

709
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,679
Speaker 4: Jostling, there's a strategy, you know, and you know when

710
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,440
it comes to JFK, I mean, I think clearly in

711
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,559
the if that case ever got into this into a

712
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,159
courtroom today, there would be such a unanimous verdict in

713
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,679
such a short period of time. You know, I don't

714
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:47,119
think that you could indict Lee Harvey Oswald for anything

715
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,559
based on the evidence now it was handling that case.

716
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,199
Even if he did survive, I think that the simplest

717
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,840
of defense lawyers from anywhere could have successfully defended him

718
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,840
in federal, in or state court for any crimes that

719
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,719
he was charged against.

720
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:10,199
Speaker 2: So sorry, So you was as a crime scene investigator,

721
00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,360
if you took the stand today and they brought back

722
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,440
the records and from everything you've looked at, which is

723
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,199
a lot, would you could you feel comfortable saying that

724
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,119
John F. Kennedy took a bullet to the front of

725
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:26,880
his head. Absolutely so, And then just that right, because

726
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,599
we live in a world where there's so much going

727
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,960
on and it's really hard to grasp the repercussions of

728
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,880
these things, like how we just mentioned, yeah, there were

729
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,440
explosives in those towers, and then we we know there's

730
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,039
no accountability, and then you know that the country was

731
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,400
hijacked on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, which you

732
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,599
know they say, if you if you can see the signs, right,

733
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,639
the veil will fall from man's eyes thirty three is

734
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,960
right in front of your eyes, eleven twenty two, thirty three.

735
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: So they kind of left evidence as to who did it.

736
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,519
Speaker 1: But I feel like you kind of have to Yeah,

737
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,480
I agree in their.

738
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: Right.

739
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of have the whole you know, eyes

740
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,880
wide shut style.

741
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 4: A little you know, the illuminated light of care where

742
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,440
they gotta they have these rules where they get they

743
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,639
got to tell you they're doing the thing, you know,

744
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,760
the thing that you know really took me out of

745
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,800
the rabbit hole and shook me up like a rascally rabbit.

746
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,679
Speaker 1: Was like that point where I'm like, oh, no, was

747
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:36,679
the pandemic right?

748
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 4: I got my first shot right, And I was like, oh,

749
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,199
I gotta get the shot.

750
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:44,639
Speaker 1: I gotta get the shot.

751
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 4: You know, And I was like late. I was really

752
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,559
low on the list of getting the shot. They finally

753
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,480
got one of the off brand shots and I had

754
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,159
to because I.

755
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,199
Speaker 3: Had to go to courts and everything.

756
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: Let me on the airplane, I kind of airlines. They

757
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,559
wouldn't let me on the air You wouldn't let me

758
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,320
on the airplane to go to San Francisco to go

759
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,039
to my crime seat.

760
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: And I had to go. I had to go.

761
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 4: Okay, drive to San Francisco from Cleveland too long. I

762
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,039
can't take a train there.

763
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 1: I had to fly. So I got the shot. Plus

764
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,960
I was scared anyway, you know, for the news consumer.

765
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: And uh, but yeah, all my testimony became remote after that.

766
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
But but but then I was looking back, you know,

767
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,880
of course, now I know it was you know, it

768
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,800
was poison It was, it was all of it was.

769
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,239
I think the disease was meant to give you the

770
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,599
poisoner in the shot for population control.

771
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 1: Me at the end of the day, just a personal opinion.

772
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,559
Speaker 3: I agree.

773
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: People could probably prove that.

774
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,039
Speaker 4: But but then it went back to the twenty twelve

775
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:47,960
Olympics opening ceremony where they foreshadowed the pandemic and it's

776
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:54,280
gothic Pink Floyd style, uh COVID balls with giant nurses

777
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,639
with needles and people tied to their beds like a

778
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,400
terrible Pink Floyd the wall Car tune.

779
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: They were telling us what they were going to do

780
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,320
before they did.

781
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

782
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: There was also a one of the superhero movies I

783
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,280
don't remember, it was Thor Captain America where he stops

784
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,000
in the middle of times square, and if you look

785
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,360
one symbol on the left, it was an advertisement for

786
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Corona beer Corona, and the other one had just had

787
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,440
a random you know, the little symbol that looked like

788
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,360
COVID the ball with a little thing sticking out of it.

789
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,800
And when you look back at these things and then

790
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,480
like movies like Contagion and Outbreak are intentionally put in

791
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:35,519
place years in advance to get you to understand, oh,

792
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920
that's if I touched that, and that person's sick, I'm going,

793
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,920
you know, and the whole and you're right that the

794
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,320
whole scare tactic. Like everybody was glued to the news

795
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,599
at five pm when Trump would come on and give

796
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,679
the update or the doctor Birks or whoever, and the

797
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,760
updates and seventy thousand people died today.

798
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,519
Speaker 3: You're like, oh my gosh.

799
00:40:56,199 --> 00:41:00,599
Speaker 1: The counter how many people were dead? I mean, it

800
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,599
was the most morbid mind control manipulation that you know,

801
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:07,800
the world has ever seen.

802
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: Yep.

803
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: And it was a giant power grab. There was more businesses,

804
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,639
the essential businesses and the non essential businesses.

805
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: All of the.

806
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,639
Speaker 4: Small convenience stores and little family shops and things were

807
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,719
shut down, but they kept open Target and Walmart.

808
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: And Amazon and yeah and all that.

809
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 4: It was a you mean, people went out of business

810
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,199
or just got competed out by the you know, not

811
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,280
since two thousand and eight have I seen so many

812
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,280
people leave the self employment ranks as the after the

813
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:45,880
during the pandemic.

814
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: Of small businesses in Colorado, Springs went permanently shut down

815
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,280
by September of twenty twenty, so almost half of their

816
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
small businesses closed for good within nine months of the

817
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,960
pandemic or six months, I'm sorry, six months.

818
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,679
Speaker 1: I mean it's supposed to be America, right.

819
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and imagine somebody calling you non essential, that your

820
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,559
business is non essential, that what you do to feed

821
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,119
your family is non essential.

822
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 4: But I think that in a way it backfired on them.

823
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,360
Although I don't think we're gonna win.

824
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 2: Oh no, it woke a lot of people up, woke.

825
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,119
Speaker 4: A lot of people up that now know how to

826
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:27,679
do research. I mean, you got you've got people out

827
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,960
there learning physics. You got people out there, well, what

828
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,960
is the shape of the earth? You know, you know

829
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,679
those crazy people, what's the mooth landing?

830
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: Fake?

831
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: You know, listen, I'm earth shape agnostic, George. I don't

832
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,000
think we've ever seen I don't know. I mean, but

833
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:49,440
if you say the oblate spheroid, you know, I think

834
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:56,559
an atmosphere could be and then you know, there's numerous possibilities.

835
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,320
But I know the stuff they're showing us is a

836
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:03,119
uh a lens manipulation.

837
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

838
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,599
Speaker 4: Fish islands, yeah, fish islands, although the Chinese don't have

839
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:13,239
the fish islands they I don't think care. If you

840
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,360
look at the Chinese rockets that go up, they don't

841
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,239
have a fish islands.

842
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: Huh. You can actually see the flat horizon.

843
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

844
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you know, I think at this point a

845
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,559
lot of it's mockery just because they know they can

846
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,800
get away with it, and I think maybe they're overplay,

847
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,159
like if I think if they stop the COVID nonsense,

848
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,320
like maybe at the fall of twenty one and just

849
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,159
said we're good, but they kept pushing it and then

850
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,960
Biden talking about the Winner of Death and all of

851
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,760
the nonsense.

852
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,119
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it's magic.

853
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like magic.

854
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: It is black magic with a K. Yep, yeah, with

855
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,199
a K.

856
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 4: I mean it goes to Alistair Crowley and his lineage.

857
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,719
You know in the crime see world. You know, we

858
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,920
have coaching trees. You know East Coast coaching tree of

859
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,440
doctor Weck and doctor Lee. You know, other guys come

860
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,519
from the West Coast coaching tree of you know this

861
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,599
scientist or that right, and it would be the court,

862
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,880
you know. But then you get like the politicians people

863
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,320
they kind of come from the Alistair Crowley thing where

864
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,920
they come from, like the secret magic mystery schools and

865
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:22,000
guys like Rudolf Steiner and Madame Blavatsky, which seemed to

866
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
be magicians who were trying to do good. But then

867
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:28,400
you have guys like Alistair Crowley who were using it

868
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:29,800
for dus doubts, will.

869
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: Right and the other ones.

870
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 4: I think we're in service to others, where I think

871
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Crowley is service to self and they can draw upon

872
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:42,920
these harmonic spirits or demonic spirits. Matter of fact, I

873
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,079
think Aleister Crowley even is the first disclosure expert.

874
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: When he apparently did some he stayed at the top.

875
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 4: Of the Pyramid of Giza. The guy was an accomplished mountaineer,

876
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,440
uh Alistair Cowley, and he was up at the top

877
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,559
of the geeze A pyramid. He spent the night and

878
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,519
he had an encounter with an actra treastural being and

879
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,599
actually drove a picture of it, say his book, and

880
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,239
it's like the traditional gray.

881
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: Alien that we would hear from you lur today.

882
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,119
Speaker 4: So I think it's all very interesting stuff when you

883
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:24,559
look at how everything is connected, and it's just I

884
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:26,519
think as an investigator.

885
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:32,159
Speaker 1: One must be mindful and use discernment in choosing what

886
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,559
to investigate and how deep to go, because there's a

887
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,519
lot of depths to different things.

888
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: Some things are deeper than others, some things are darker

889
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,000
than others, say like the way I like to explain it.

890
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480
When I was doing I did investigating just by chance

891
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:48,599
this UFO out of Las Vegas where it landed, crash

892
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,039
people's backyard, the view of it, and I proved, I

893
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,679
analyzed the video, proved beyond all it's a real vide

894
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,079
one hundred percent, interviewed the family. I just I taped

895
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,800
the thing with ancient aliens on. It's coming out like

896
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
as the next week or something. And it's when everybody says.

897
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 1: To UFO videos, well just you know.

898
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: But but it's like the UFO is like, first it's fun,

899
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,760
then it's interesting, that's cool, it's weird, and then it's

900
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,119
scary it's dark.

901
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, you gotta know when to Okay, I'm done with that,

902
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,840
because then you get to the point you realize that

903
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,440
these are these can very well be demons, not just

904
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,960
guys zooming in from planet X.

905
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:31,599
Speaker 4: Well I know, yeah, yeah, listen, like I don't know.

906
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,360
I'm not an expert on aliens, but I know I'm

907
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,119
not gonna pray to one. No, and I'm not gonna

908
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,280
didn't meditate with a green laser pen and say, hey,

909
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,239
this is why I am at you coming.

910
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not doing that. I don't know. I

911
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:55,480
do not excuse me, Oh that's a demon coming out there.

912
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:59,199
Speaker 4: You go be going, well, when you talk about them,

913
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,599
they kind of you know, they do that.

914
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like, you know, you don't invite these

915
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,559
people in your house, in your life.

916
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,159
Speaker 2: No, and even I'm careful anytime I talk about Jamatria

917
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
all that stuff. You got to be extremely careful. What

918
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,800
what you mess with us?

919
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: Exactly? Keeping it too. Yeah, that's a great point.

920
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,039
Speaker 2: Or the one the bloody maror you know all those things,

921
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,400
the three times and that's there's the number three again.

922
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,480
That's where they kind of tell you about the numerology.

923
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,000
It's no kidding, but you made a great point. Because

924
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,800
even when I look at nine to eleven, to me,

925
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,679
it's the proof that it was pre it was staged

926
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,159
for years. I even think that maybe when they were

927
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,039
building this in nineteen sixty eight, that they knew it

928
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:46,679
was going to come down, that it was part of

929
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:50,559
the plan and everything, because there's no way that Silverstein

930
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:54,400
and all this just happens is a coincidence. But like

931
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:59,519
I look for the five w's basically, and then like

932
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,880
I'm not to waste a whole lot of time like.

933
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: Was it drones? Was it CGI?

934
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: And all these other things, because there's just so many

935
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,039
other things that I'd rather look into, Like I know

936
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:18,840
that this event was staged, probably by you know, parts

937
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,280
of our government, Saudi Arabia Masad. In most cases, when

938
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,119
you look at these things, you just have to see

939
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,880
who it benefits. That The most famous, going full circle

940
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,880
back to JFK, very famous photo right after they get

941
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,920
back on Air Force one. She's standing there her she

942
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,519
just saw her husband get his brains blown out, and

943
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,840
you know there's lbj's buddy winking at him, and lbj's

944
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,119
let you know, kind of smile like what kind of

945
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,639
monster are you kidding me?

946
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 8: You know what?

947
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,159
Speaker 3: I'm talking about that famous picture.

948
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,599
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, absolutely, you know I think that was

949
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,159
what chief of staff of the LBJ.

950
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go, it was.

951
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:06,159
Speaker 1: Who did that?

952
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 4: Listen, John F. Kennedy's brain is missing from the National Archives, folks. Okay,

953
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,559
Jeffrey Epstein did not commit suicide, and they stole John F.

954
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:26,360
Kennedy's brain. I mean, it's just so obvious. It's right there,

955
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,320
you know, you know, And I feel like it's.

956
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: The powers that be that still care about the disclosure

957
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:42,320
aspect of it. I think, are they know? Apathy has

958
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:42,719
set in?

959
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: Right, you got your football, You go watch your Cleveland Browns.

960
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: Oh God, bless you.

961
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,119
Speaker 1: You gotta go.

962
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta go in summer vacation once a year, right,

963
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,119
you gotta work twelve hours a day, big car payment,

964
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,440
big electric, We'll dig everything, watch the news, eat bad food.

965
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,760
They got you. The apathy has set in across everywhere.

966
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,199
And if it wasn't for me knowing doctor Weck, I

967
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,079
would probably be just as apathetic about everything as well.

968
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:18,519
So I don't blame people for their apathy. It's just

969
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:24,960
a busy, busy working a entire excuse me, but busy

970
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:25,800
working and tired.

971
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,119
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, we were all at that point of

972
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,400
our life working sixty hours a week. You got to

973
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,320
come home, you got to cook dinner, and you just

974
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
want to take off your shoes and have an ice

975
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,519
cold beverage and have an hour of peace and quiet,

976
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,800
and then you started again the next day. Unfortunately, we

977
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,239
live in a time now. If you think about it,

978
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,280
I'm just a couple of years older than you, I'm

979
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,159
fifty six. But if you just count from sixty three,

980
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,960
over the last sixty two years, you had the government overthrown,

981
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,360
you had a just a war we had no business

982
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,159
being in that led to the death of fifty eight

983
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,440
thousand young men, and then into the seventy with all

984
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,760
that nonsense, I mean nine to eleven, Waco, COVID two

985
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,880
thousand and eight. All of this stuff happening within sixty years.

986
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,880
And what for someone who's in you know, seventy five

987
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,400
years old. They've seen it all and it's just it's

988
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,920
it's quite an amazing time to be alive. And it

989
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,440
really is alive. Absolutely, there's a reason you're in this timeline.

990
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,599
God put us here because he thought we could handle

991
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,199
it and make a difference.

992
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, and everybody has. It's the thing I

993
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,320
love about the time that we're in and my.

994
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 4: Girlfriend has a you know, she has she has a joke.

995
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,480
She's like, Jesus loves you. I'm still trying.

996
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:46,599
Speaker 1: You know. That's hilarious and I feel that same way.

997
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:47,719
I know Jesus loves me.

998
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still trying to do my best out here,

999
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,599
and you know, you fail, you pick yourself up. But

1000
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,719
it just proves to people that you have everybody has

1001
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,000
the ability to get redemption. Whatever time you have left,

1002
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,360
there's enough time to do what you were meant to do.

1003
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,360
Some people don't have a long time and they got

1004
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,519
to do it quick. Some people have a long time

1005
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:08,920
and they do it a lot, or they do it,

1006
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,960
but you got to do We're here for something, and uh,

1007
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,960
I don't think it's up to us to question, well,

1008
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000
why just be happy with it? I mean, you know,

1009
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:20,519
you have to have some opportunities, but that goes I

1010
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:25,599
think with having some faith that Jesus Christ was a

1011
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:31,679
real person who gave his life intentionally as the embodiment

1012
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,840
of God and took away all of that burden from

1013
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,000
us so that we can, you know, cool out absolutely

1014
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,679
life a little bit, you know, yeah, you know, but

1015
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:43,639
you have to be humble enough to realize that.

1016
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,039
Speaker 2: I've seen a few interviews with doctor Weck, not as

1017
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,079
many as I should have, but in the few I've seen,

1018
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,440
he seemed like a guy who just got it. And

1019
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,679
I'm assuming you knew him obviously very well, that he

1020
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,119
understood that these uh, all of these quote quote conspiracies

1021
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:05,679
are all connected to a greater ideology, a greater war,

1022
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,679
not just the physical entity here.

1023
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I asked him.

1024
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,119
Speaker 4: I actually we had just done our second JFK podcast

1025
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:17,159
together and we were working on an actual case together,

1026
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,320
and then I always had him on my calendar to

1027
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,239
do the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, which is just as

1028
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,199
obvious as JFK that it wasn't a lone gunman, except

1029
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,840
it gets a little weirder because now we're getting to

1030
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,639
the MK ultra.

1031
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: That's right, Sir Han, Sir Hann had no idea where

1032
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,039
he was the two weeks part.

1033
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,639
Speaker 4: Of no idea, And we all know that Caesar uh

1034
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,000
we actually was the security guard to kill them.

1035
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: That day with that nine millimeter to the back of

1036
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:44,280
the head.

1037
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 4: Uh he you know, the job he had before he

1038
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,039
had that job at the hotel.

1039
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: Let me guess he had what was he in the

1040
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,119
military or was he like a janitor at the CIA?

1041
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 4: He was a high level secure prey professional for Lockheed Martin.

1042
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: Oh part of the military industrial complex, got it Aerial division.

1043
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, that's interesting. I did not. I I'm not

1044
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:11,840
sure every.

1045
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all connected.

1046
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: Did you know that the building the book depository, brvy

1047
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,920
Oswald just magically got a job six weeks before the

1048
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,800
assassination stacking books for ten cents.

1049
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: An hour when uh, he thought he was gonna work

1050
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,360
be working for NASA.

1051
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was robbing elbows with Ted Chrus's father.

1052
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1053
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:34,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, he thought he was gonna be He thought he

1054
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,800
was gonna work for NASA. Yeah, he was in spired.

1055
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,079
He was a living over Russia, big money in Russia.

1056
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: I set him up so badly, imration.

1057
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,079
Speaker 4: And then he's good after doing all that, speaking languages,

1058
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:48,679
being all over the world.

1059
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: As like I try.

1060
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 4: You know, a spy trainee, you know, basically high level stuff,

1061
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:58,400
ground level, enforcer level whatever, operational manager kind of guy.

1062
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,960
He was being managed by other people for other means.

1063
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,519
And you know, the person that owned the book depository

1064
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:13,280
was the brother of Admiral Richard Bird. No kidding, yeah,

1065
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,360
no mistake that he went with Admiral Bird to Antarctica.

1066
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm preaching the job now. If John F.

1067
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 4: Kennedy would have survived that day, you're where that parade

1068
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:35,039
edited the Dallas Trademark where he was meeting doctor Lloyd Berkner,

1069
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:43,039
physicist involved in making the hydrogen bomb, not the atomic bomb,

1070
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:48,199
who as a young man went with Richard Byrd to Antarctica.

1071
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:53,559
Speaker 2: You know, I've always been of the mindset that when

1072
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:57,360
they went on Antarctica, so what a lot of people

1073
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,880
don't know. I need to backtrack a half a seconds.

1074
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,920
So many people who don't know that in the late twenties,

1075
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:09,440
during Walmart Germany went, when Germany went completely bankrupt, they sent,

1076
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,719
according to the stories, they sent their naval fleet down

1077
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,800
to Antarctica to hunt whales for their.

1078
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: Butter, their margarine or whatever it is.

1079
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: And I'm of the I truly believe that they found

1080
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,599
some I don't know if it's technology. I mean, you can,

1081
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,400
I'll let the listener expound to what something they found,

1082
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:28,960
but it just so happened.

1083
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 4: There are many stories on what they've found, and I

1084
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,480
think what they did find.

1085
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: I think science will support that.

1086
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,039
Speaker 4: Is, they found a place for the submarines to go

1087
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,840
beneath the ice and come up in a pocket air

1088
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:46,039
that had temporal climate with wildlife and vegetation and warmth.

1089
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: Yes, basically other life possibly that we don't know of.

1090
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,960
And I tend to agree, I think the whole story. Yeah,

1091
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,280
I think the story that Admiral Berg gave was just

1092
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,119
a deflection just to to get people to believe, or

1093
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:02,800
even his son wrote it and sold it, because that

1094
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,719
story came out after you know how they took control.

1095
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,039
Speaker 3: Of my you know plane and all this other.

1096
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,519
Speaker 1: St It looks like a believable log for the win.

1097
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's so spectacular, it is it almost feels

1098
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,159
sacrilegious to believe it's true because it's it's magical and godly.

1099
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.

1100
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:27,159
Speaker 4: That's it's almost it's what your imagination would think is

1101
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,639
meeting a god.

1102
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1103
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: And whether it's or not, I don't know, but it

1104
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,679
certainly makes me feel uncomfortable.

1105
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it And again my point was Germany went

1106
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,559
from from ranks to riches in five years or whatever

1107
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:44,800
it was, and all of a sudden, you know where,

1108
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,079
and everybody in the world's coming after him. And then

1109
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:49,760
you see there's pictures of the nineteen thirty five Oh

1110
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,599
Germany had Skype in nineteen thirty five, they had this,

1111
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,159
they had that, and of course the Bell you know,

1112
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,719
that flying ship they had and it's like, hmm, what

1113
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,360
And then maybe they patent all this technology well ahead

1114
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,280
of time, and they put their players in place, like

1115
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,639
Jeff Bezos, you're going to be the Amazon guy, You're

1116
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:09,599
going to be the Facebook guy. And I think they

1117
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:11,920
have this technology years in place, and when they roll

1118
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,440
it out, they control who it is and it's their people,

1119
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,440
the company folks in place at the head of these

1120
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:20,760
organizations that will just crush any small business that would

1121
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,440
go against it.

1122
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,679
Speaker 4: Well, you know the kid recently in Argentina, he was

1123
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,760
making the first solo round trip under twenty one.

1124
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: He was eighteen years old or sixteen or something. Oh yeah,

1125
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,119
I saw that and he made it.

1126
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,719
Speaker 4: She tricked them and he wanted to go to Antarctica

1127
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,880
and he did. They held him in jail, the Argentina

1128
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,719
and Navy held him. He made it though to the

1129
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,239
ice wall, landed and somewhere, but he got onto Antarctica.

1130
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,239
Speaker 1: They held him in jail. For like two weeks.

1131
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:50,039
Speaker 3: And you know what's funny.

1132
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,719
Speaker 2: We hate Russia, Russia hate Ukraine Ukraine, and everybody hates everybody,

1133
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:58,480
but except for Antarctica, we can all agree on peace.

1134
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,559
The Antarctic Treaty of nineteen eight.

1135
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: I know, it's really a spectacular. Wait, where's that coincidence?

1136
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:06,599
Jar ed George.

1137
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,239
Speaker 2: I've got my backup mixer here today because the other

1138
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:10,000
ones broke.

1139
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 4: We uh you know, oh, I thought it was an

1140
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:18,280
actual coin, George, because you know, for a while, I

1141
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,000
actually I homaged you on a few of my episodes.

1142
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: I did this episode called how the Nerds Are Gonna

1143
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,000
Kill Us.

1144
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: And it was all, you know, kind of just taking

1145
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,920
different things that like, you know, self driving airplanes. You know,

1146
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:36,039
this was I did this years ago before all the

1147
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:37,280
self driving AI stuff.

1148
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,559
Speaker 1: You know, DARPA was developing.

1149
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:47,639
Speaker 4: A AI battle robot at thirty five's like fifteen years

1150
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:52,280
ago on the record testifying in some appropriations committee for

1151
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,159
the Department of Energy about admitting they don't need the

1152
00:59:56,239 --> 01:00:00,719
University of Alaska station anymore because they've reached their goal

1153
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,880
of controlling the atmosphere.

1154
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,159
Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, we figured it out. You can

1155
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,760
have it back now. Like we're moving on other things,

1156
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,119
like robots that can kill you from the sky.

1157
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that funny that that that clip of LBJ

1158
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,039
LBJ again, uh saying, he who controls the weather controls

1159
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:22,039
the world. And look how far even my mom, who is.

1160
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 3: I better not her age I'll get in trouble.

1161
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: But she texted me a couple of weeks ago, or

1162
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,079
maybe even a week ago, I think they're controlling the weather.

1163
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1164
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: People have thought I was nuts because of my obsession

1165
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:38,400
with keem trails.

1166
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1167
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,039
Speaker 4: What being a kid from Cleveland, Ohio, where we call

1168
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,320
it the ashtray gray Skies of Cleveland, Ohio, the home

1169
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,559
of rock and roll, where you get sut about three

1170
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,960
months out of the year, and you know, uh it's

1171
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,840
it's and for this those three months to have keem

1172
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,559
trails on a blue, scudy sunny day, so Crisp and

1173
01:00:58,639 --> 01:00:59,719
her tries to look at it.

1174
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: You just can't help them.

1175
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 4: Go out there and play baseball or something, to do

1176
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:06,360
something amazing with your life when it's eighty degrees in

1177
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,760
a crispy sky, or even fifty degrees in a krispy,

1178
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,480
clean sky, pollute it with those damn coem trails, and

1179
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:16,000
I think that the jigs finally up. I know Florida

1180
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,960
has banned it, the other states have banned it. I

1181
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,000
wish Ohio would ban it. But we've got terrible political

1182
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:27,960
representation here. Our last hope was George was a Dennis Kasidics,

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01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,480
the only real politician left that's not ever going to

1184
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:33,679
be got elected again because of jerry mandering.

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,599
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, uh, you know, you know.

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01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:39,239
Speaker 4: And then that's the other thing. I gotta thank you

1187
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,760
for George. You remind me to come back to and

1188
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,000
beh a good person. And then the second thing is

1189
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,639
voting in participation in the system is a waste of time.

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01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: Excuse that's right, it is, it is. It is participation

1191
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,920
and saying what's the.

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:56,639
Speaker 3: Word I'm looking for?

1193
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: You're you're you're saying that they yeah, I consent, and

1194
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,000
that's exactly right. Yeah, and I'm so glad that And

1195
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:06,079
you know what, though, it's interesting, there's still a lot

1196
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,559
of people and you can tell when when you see

1197
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:09,320
their eyes.

1198
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,239
Speaker 3: They're like, are you a Trump supporter?

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01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,679
Speaker 2: And I'll say no, and then they automatically say.

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01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: How could you like Biden?

1201
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: Or how could you I'm like, you have to understand

1202
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,119
there's more than A and B. And that's the hardest time.

1203
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: They never voted.

1204
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 4: This past year was the first time I deliberately did

1205
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,400
not vote. Yeah, I got a lot of you at

1206
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,320
the time of election day, but I could have early voted.

1207
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,519
Speaker 1: But it was so funny the reaction because I really

1208
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:36,039
don't care.

1209
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:41,079
Speaker 4: I've got black built on politics, so I was like, yeah,

1210
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,199
I don't care. I mean, I knew Biden was awful

1211
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,519
and a robot, but I Trump was a fucking ogre.

1212
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, Well, nineteen ninety when the roth Child's bailed

1213
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,840
him out, that he's been hit their puppets since and

1214
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,800
you it's like, ww you got to have your good

1215
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
guy and your bad guy, and they have to rotate

1216
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,320
them out to make you think that you have a

1217
01:02:59,480 --> 01:02:59,920
fair assist.

1218
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,079
Speaker 1: So I think the next they're gonna try to bring

1219
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:03,559
on AOC.

1220
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: She's young and cute and she's gonna be like, come on, folks,

1221
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,679
we can do it.

1222
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,519
Speaker 1: And RFK.

1223
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:11,679
Speaker 4: I think the jig is up on him, Junior. I

1224
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,840
had hope for him, but not anymore, you know. Uh

1225
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,360
So it's like, you know, just don't take away my baseball.

1226
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,480
I know football is rigged. I know they got.

1227
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: I know they got magnets in the ball in the NBA.

1228
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:28,400
Just don't take away my baseball. It's all I got

1229
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,519
left of the Roman Coliseum to go see.

1230
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: Are you a Guardian's or? And I hate saying that,

1231
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:33,400
are you?

1232
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:33,559
Speaker 3: Are?

1233
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 4: You are? I was a Cleveland Indians fan. I mean,

1234
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,719
I got chief wild all over the place here. Although

1235
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,159
I apologize, I know it was insensitive. I think it

1236
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:42,679
was well spirited in the beginning. And now we're called

1237
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:45,719
the Cleveland Gardians yea, uh you know, yeah, No, my

1238
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,280
Cleveland baseball team is passionate. I was baseball player for

1239
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,760
a long time. My son played a little cup of

1240
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,800
tea for pro baseball, played baseball.

1241
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,519
Speaker 1: Baseball has been a big part of our life because

1242
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:58,159
it teaches people how to be part of a team.

1243
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,199
You know. That was like my version of military.

1244
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 4: I didn't serve, So I apologize, but I thank you

1245
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,440
for your service and all the people like you, guys

1246
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,639
that have given their lives. And I don't diminish it whatsoever,

1247
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,440
but it learns to teach you how to be part

1248
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,239
of a team, right like, and I think baseball teaches you,

1249
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,320
especially as much as we played and coached it and

1250
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,920
taught it and travel with it. Tell us how to

1251
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,880
be a team and how that no one person is

1252
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,159
more important than the other. And I think that is

1253
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,599
same thing in business. You know, my people are just

1254
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:32,679
as important as I am, and running it in baseball,

1255
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:34,400
the guy at bats first is just as important as

1256
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,320
the guy that bats second.

1257
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,079
Speaker 1: Or is that is this pinch runner in the in

1258
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:39,599
the bottom of the eleven, you know you.

1259
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: Get twenty seven ounce.

1260
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah?

1261
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:45,199
Speaker 4: So you know, people got to do their job and

1262
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,599
that's how you can win, at least whatever game it

1263
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:49,800
is you choose to play.

1264
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:53,679
Speaker 2: Amen, And it's it's black as a night outside, So

1265
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:55,639
I want to wrap this up before I get wiped out.

1266
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,519
As I mentioned before, this has been awesome. I'd love

1267
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,239
to have you back again, and I'd love to come

1268
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,039
on yours down down the road as well to have

1269
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,599
a conversation. This has been a lot of fun. Was

1270
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,639
there anything that we haven't really touched on that you

1271
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:11,840
wanted dimension or anything else you wanted to throw out

1272
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,360
there before we said goodbye for now?

1273
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,599
Speaker 4: Well, I hate to do a shameless plug, but there

1274
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:19,400
is one thing that's near and dear to my heart,

1275
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,119
that project I'm working on and I'm almost I've got

1276
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:23,920
sixteen chapters of I'm writing a book.

1277
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:24,519
Speaker 3: Oh nice.

1278
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 4: It's called A Leg to Stand On, and it's my

1279
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,320
biography of not only my career but kind of as

1280
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,599
it led up to my representation of Oscar Pistorius and

1281
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:42,159
his murder trial that I worked in South Africa. And

1282
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,880
it's been ten years, he's now out of jail, and

1283
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,039
it was a very controversial case, but it was the

1284
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:53,679
biggest case of my career. And it's been ten years

1285
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:56,920
and I write a book on it, and it's going.

1286
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,719
Speaker 1: To be coming that soon.

1287
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, George, I'm going to try to probably

1288
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,360
self publish it for free because I'm not a chance

1289
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,440
in the heck of getting a meeting with a publisher.

1290
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,559
Speaker 1: I see some books behind you there, and it's so,

1291
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:10,760
you know, funny.

1292
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: Uh, The book publishing companies are more secretly gate kept

1293
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,679
YEP in almost any other industry.

1294
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,039
Speaker 2: It's like the music industry. There is so much great

1295
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:24,800
music out there, but you'll never hear it because they

1296
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,960
they control what gets out there, yeah, one hundred percent.

1297
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:28,920
And it's same with the books.

1298
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:29,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

1299
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:32,079
Speaker 2: Some some of the music over the last ten years

1300
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,039
have been nonsense, and I think it goes back to mockery.

1301
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:35,519
We're going to push this to the moon and the

1302
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:38,960
kids are gonna love it, and it's it's mockery.

1303
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,599
Speaker 1: It's usually not mockery, it's demonic.

1304
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:44,199
Speaker 3: Well that too, yeah, and even but.

1305
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:46,559
Speaker 4: How the nerds are gonna kill us? Is a favorite

1306
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,280
movie star? Is a demon, a rock star or a.

1307
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,679
Speaker 3: Pim amen brother? And where's your book going to be?

1308
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:52,239
Speaker 1: Is it?

1309
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,519
Speaker 3: Do you have a website or how can people follow up?

1310
01:06:55,199 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 4: My website is Evidence dash Room dot that that's my

1311
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,800
business website for Evidence Room. And then I also have

1312
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:09,480
my podcast and my YouTube channel and my Twitter and

1313
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:14,039
my TikTok is Crime scened time Machine. I put a

1314
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,400
lot of my entertainment stuff out on Crime Scene time Machine. Obviously,

1315
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,039
the Evidence Room is my professional capacity. The Crime Scene

1316
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:23,519
time Machine is where you know, we're just talking here

1317
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:24,320
having a good time.

1318
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:25,639
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

1319
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:28,639
Speaker 2: Uh, let me know when you actually have it ready

1320
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:30,039
to go on a link for it because I can

1321
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,199
always upload it later in the show notes, So even

1322
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:34,920
somebody listening two years from now can can follow up

1323
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:35,519
and find your book.

1324
01:07:35,559 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

1325
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of writing. I keep starting a

1326
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,840
book and it's going back to discipline like that is

1327
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,599
the pinnacle of discipline is a book, putting it in

1328
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,360
a proper order, going back and editing, and then when

1329
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,760
you edit you realize, well, this affects chapter seven, and

1330
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,079
you got to go to chapter seven.

1331
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:52,159
Speaker 3: It's a hot mess.

1332
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: Man, I've been writing this for five years. God black

1333
01:07:55,519 --> 01:08:00,239
one and one pages. Wow, that's but those a's tight

1334
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:01,079
you one hundred and one?

1335
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, But I don't know how these people

1336
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:04,519
break five hundred page books.

1337
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 3: It's incredible.

1338
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,079
Speaker 2: Like our Frank Gary Wayne last year he wrote eight

1339
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:10,519
hundred and fifty pages on like two verses of the Bible.

1340
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,679
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

1341
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 4: But it's fun to go through it because it's kind

1342
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:22,359
of it really is a different experience writing than talking.

1343
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,159
Speaker 1: Yes, and the see is you don't write the way

1344
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:25,680
you talk.

1345
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,119
Speaker 4: It's a different experience to put things on paper than

1346
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,119
how you would say it with a.

1347
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:33,199
Speaker 1: Microphone in your face, you know.

1348
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 4: So that's been I think the biggest challenge is putting

1349
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,199
it in a format that's readable.

1350
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1351
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,359
Speaker 2: Amen, well well done, and again thanks for your time today.

1352
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,479
And I'd love to do this again in the future

1353
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,960
for sure, so much to talk about and you can

1354
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,079
barely scrape the surface in an hour podcast.

1355
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 4: Well, everybody out there in the fact Tony, you got

1356
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,960
a friend in me because I'm always trying to keep

1357
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:02,880
my head on a swivel.

1358
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 3: Baby, God bless your brother.

1359
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: Thanks for that plug, uh, and thank you all for

1360
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,680
the listeners for your continued sport. The email address is

1361
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,800
the Fact Hunter at mail dot com. For Scott Rotor,

1362
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,640
I'm George Hobbs. God bless you, and like Scott said,

1363
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,680
keep your head on a swivel. And until we meet again,

1364
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,560
my friends, we will see you.

1365
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,159
Speaker 8: I know it's been a struggle.

1366
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:31,399
Speaker 9: I don't know if you've had some pain. I know

1367
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:39,199
you feeling tied. Tell down all the way. Yeah, I

1368
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:47,359
know you feeling you smile, paint the same, I s

1369
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,840
win go for you.

1370
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 10: She like you've lost your way. Don't give it. No,

1371
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:04,000
don't give it neverless hold, don't let all the primise.

1372
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,079
Speaker 3: It ain't done yet.

1373
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:07,319
Speaker 9: He's got a plan.

1374
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:09,039
Speaker 3: Why it's a way.

1375
01:10:09,279 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 10: Time got up?

1376
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: May we come?

1377
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 10: Why right?

1378
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: God up?

1379
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:31,279
Speaker 8: Record, I can see the straight beside you. Child's are

1380
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:38,880
putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing you are. Yeah,

1381
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:47,560
you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found beautiful.

1382
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:55,199
Speaker 5: You're shoving ride Yeah, you're living, breathing, move, you can

1383
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:58,920
hold your head a pie.

1384
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 10: Don't give up, No, don't give in, Never loose home.

1385
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,720
Don't let go on the primies. It ain't Donet's God

1386
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:16,039
lay Why it's a waintail? The God of mimy Come,

1387
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,640
don't give up.

1388
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 9: No, don't give in, never lose home, don't let go

1389
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,000
on the primies.

1390
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,119
Speaker 1: It ain't gon life.

1391
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 10: It's worth living. Why's a paintail?

1392
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,159
Speaker 1: The god baby colt?

1393
01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:40,119
Speaker 10: Why sur pray do? God steamy Colt?

1394
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:42,319
Speaker 6: Oh?

1395
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:52,319
Speaker 10: Yes, what's a pray down? The God baby come? Oh yeah,

1396
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,039
the god tam call.

1397
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:09,119
Speaker 6: Oh, don't give up, no, don't give in. Never this

1398
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,640
hol do they goal of the primise me and done

1399
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,039
as God.

1400
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 3: Of planning, watch and we die, God of.

1401
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:21,199
Speaker 9: Even cous don't.

1402
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:25,199
Speaker 1: Give up, No, dog give in, never the.

1403
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 8: Hole, don't let go of the primis.

1404
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 3: It ain't done?

1405
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,239
Speaker 8: Lovers?

1406
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:31,199
Speaker 10: What living?

1407
01:12:32,119 --> 01:12:43,079
Speaker 6: What's the God of y coors Ah, the God of

1408
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:52,159
need gos Wat's done, the God of gas.

1409
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: You are listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

1410
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: Just the facts, Mammy