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Speaker 1: Made a decision.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to for crying out loud. We have

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a lot going on on today's show, lots of things

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happening behind the scene. Stephanie unfortunately sick this morning. She

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Lbie had a I guess a bad sore throat cold

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over the weekend. She got that from her daughter. So

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she was really looking forward to being here today because

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we have a special special guest in studio, which we

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talked about a couple weeks ago. I know we talked

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about you girls on Patreon, but we have the girls

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from Keenan and Oh my.

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Speaker 3: God, no one can say the name of our show

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because it's too long, which is.

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Speaker 2: Let me go that again. The girls in studio are

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from Keenan and Lacan give You Deja Vu, which I

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like that name. It's hard to type it when you're

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going like the girls from Keenan and Lincoln give you

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day javou.

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Speaker 1: That's the hard part. But other than that, I think

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it's it tells basically sorry.

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Speaker 2: And I also for we have Jennifer and studio Mike

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pal who introduced me to their to their show.

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Speaker 4: And it's Stacy Keenan and Christine.

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Speaker 2: Yes yes, and these you girls do. I guess it's

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a recap show because you guys were on step by Step,

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which kind of brought us back together my ex husband

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and I when we broke up.

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Speaker 5: That show brought you back together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we loved Friday Night ABC and it was

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like step yeah, t g if step by Step, uh

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boy meets World those Yeah, we would love. We watched

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that and we kind of got back together based on

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you guys as show. So we watched it back in

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the day.

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Speaker 6: No one's ever told us that, no, never.

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Speaker 2: It brought us back together and then we got married. Yeah,

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so welcome everybody in studio here.

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Speaker 1: You girls so excited.

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Speaker 3: I have listened to this show for ever. I remember

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when the kids were babies. Really when it was when

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you were in the trenches, as we would say, for years,

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for so long. So I feel like I know you.

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You know, it's weird to see you kind of because

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I'm just so used to hearing your voice. So I'm

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sad to not meet Stephanie, but it's really fun to.

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Speaker 2: Be Yeah, she's really because I got to come back. Then, Yes,

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they you should because she did. She was listening to

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your show and she was really excited to me, you guys,

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because you guys, you do a recap of your show,

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but you also have great stories about coming of age

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in Hollywood because you guys are so young at the

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time and now.

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Speaker 5: It was a time like kind of before.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what it's like to grow up in

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the limelight now, but back then there was no Instagram,

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there was no paparazzi even right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which just there was yeah, no Internet, no cell phone,

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so you you kind of still had some privacy.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't I.

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Speaker 3: Can't imagine doing it now. I don't think I could

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do it now.

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Speaker 5: You could add a lot of dumb shit, right, and

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we did.

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Speaker 2: And you tell the stories and it's the deja vu part,

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which is great too, because it does bring you back

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to like that, that nostalgic era of you know, even

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if you didn't grow up in Hollywood. The stories he

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tells everybody's story, everybody USA high school, even though they

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weren't on set. But you know, people can relate, and

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you guys have a good way of telling the story

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that these stories are hilarious. There's a couple on the

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top of my head that I want to ask about.

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Speaker 1: But first, yeah, well, no.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to say too that everybody, everyone that

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listens to your show, like, guys, go listen to their podcast,

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even if you didn't watch step by Step back in

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the day or weren't a fan, because first off, not

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all recap shows are like, they're not all enjoyable, not.

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Speaker 1: Their recaps, other recaps. Because I was just saying, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You're just watching Sopranos for the first time and trying

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to listen to Michael Imperial and Bacala's pod like a

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show that I loved and could not get through one

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episode because it you know. But so to that end,

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everyone that likes your show is going to love this

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show because your chemistry is so good. You get You're delightful,

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delightful to listen to your banter, your little stories. You

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speak very coherently, eloquently, unlike me when I listen to

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anything I've said back, like other podcast episodes I've done,

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I'm like, oh my God, like like like like like

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Speaker 5: Guys, just it's taking time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's an art for so thank you so

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much for saying that I'm dead. I will never recover

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from what you've just said, but I'm going to pretend

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that everything's fine. I'm just gonna act normal and just

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continue this station right now. But yes, it was a struggle.

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We had the ums and the likes. Especially season one,

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we were on a quest and a struggle, you know,

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to get rid of that. And it still is a struggle.

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Speaker 6: I figured how to recap with telling enough of the

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story for the people that really want to go through

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the story, but also make it succinct and also have

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some commentary that and sometimes we'll go straight into a

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story that, oh, this reminded me of the time.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember we were filming this.

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Speaker 6: And so and so to kind of weave those stories

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in and it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's great, that's great formula.

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Speaker 4: Because yeah, like all that, I just love hearing the

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nineties fashion stuff. So many things that I forgot about.

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Speaker 2: The little Suzanne Semmer walks in with the emerald green

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uh jumpsuit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, her nylons.

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Speaker 6: Right, you cannot watch that show and now and and

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see her and not be just bowled over by some

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of the fashion choices.

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Speaker 5: Right, It's really a moment in time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that has been a thing on the show too.

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On the podcast, is trying to figure out because some

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of the comments. You know, I'm I have not been

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on social media until doing this podcast, and I thought

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it was going to be a never ending hate parade

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because that's all I heard. I just thought every comment

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was going to be these bitches are stupid? Who cares

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about these hasbands? And they're stupid show from a million

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years ago. And it's been so much more positive than

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I ever could have dreamed. But there's a lot of

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debate about the fashion commentaries. Some people really don't like

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it and they think it's boring and stupid and get

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get back to the recap or get back to the

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story or why everybody talking about And the same with

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the recaps, you know, sometimes they're too long or they're

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too short or not, you know, and we've tried all

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different ways and then we get the opposite comments. You know,

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well now the recap is too short. Well now the

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recap's too long. Yeah, So I guess we'll always be

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trying to tinker with that and get it to be

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Speaker 1: Let's say hi to our peeps.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing it this week. Stephanie's out. Let's say I

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had a dick. He's still frolicking and Kelly is still

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still oohlah lying, and Katie Murphy is rolling on E

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and Nicky still calling her girls. Elizabeth Williamson, we love

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all your kids. Rita Bassiet you know they are all

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her kids are in your Basiete. Polly Butterfield, We love

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your pancakes. Valerie, Bubba Fenwick hits it out of the park, Katerina, Girl,

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check those molers. Gabrielle, Gabrie and Missy. Gabrielle says I'm here,

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Gabrielle Fonseka and Missy Schaeffer, Gaby and Missy those bitches.

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Is Shan vosh Bee that hot ass. Rebecca Lubin. You're

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so cute. Kelly Brandt, We love you. You take us anywhere.

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Alicia Escalante, Leslie stop with the coughing, Aaron Sanchez, Jennifer falls.

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Get up, Sandra, it's not even easy being green Athena,

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get insured.

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Speaker 1: We love your makeup.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie's a stinker Rinker and Ashley is so chic. Okay,

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how long have you girls been doing the podcast that

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you guys do? You're in season You're gonna start season three.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we just finished airing season two. We're in the

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middle of our seasons which were doing some fun bonus content.

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We actually are in the middle of airing some episodes

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where we decided in our in our sort of hiatus,

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that we would watch each other's work that wasn't step

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by step and then do a full recap on some

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of the other work that we had never seen from

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each other. Interesting commentary, we've commentary, so and they ended

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up because they're films, they end up being two parters.

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Speaker 5: So of course, Stacy was in a movie called Lisa.

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Speaker 1: I know that movie.

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Speaker 6: Everyone, Every young girl knows that movie.

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Speaker 3: It's like a serial killer thriller. This movie.

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Speaker 6: When I watched it again, now is I remember watching

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it as a kid. When I watched it as an adult,

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I was like, this is terrifying. Everything she's doing is terrifying.

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Speaker 4: I have a daughter, I was gonna say, especially if

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you have kids, and I was like, I have to

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show her this movie.

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Speaker 6: This is what happens when you grank call people.

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Speaker 5: This is why the.

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Speaker 4: Basis is this teenage girl basically starts calling this grown

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man on the phone and like talking and pretending that she.

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Speaker 6: And he's a freaking serial killer and he's a serial

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killer and spoiler alert, they almost die, right.

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Speaker 3: Because her mom's stripped and won't let her date. So

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she has this fantasy life, right. So we're recapping Lisa,

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and then we Laken is recapping Lisa with my commentary,

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and then I'm recapping the Hotty in The Naughty, which

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is Lacan's film with Paris Hilton Nicole. They put all

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these prosthetics on her to make her the Naughty, and

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there's staying yeah, and so she's next to this you know,

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vision of beauty played by Paris Hilton and this man

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who's been in love with Harris's character his whole life.

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It has to deal with the Natulus films question.

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Speaker 1: I gotta check those both of them.

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Speaker 5: If you do, you'll be the one.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, no, no no, but you will get

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to see Laken covered in hair and moles, moles and

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warts or a bald cap.

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Speaker 1: So did they really have to go when they do

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that kind of stuff?

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Speaker 2: Did they have to go so over the top that

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she's got warts and ship.

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Speaker 1: And then people really yeah?

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on the I feel like the tail end of the

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really like the teen Comedies had sort of happened, and

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now we were just in like kind of gross out comedy.

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Speaker 1: Were sort of like, what is this right?

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Speaker 3: She even had fake teeth going.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I bet I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked it. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: So how old were you girls when you started step

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Speaker 3: Like, which I was sixteen?

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Speaker 5: I think I was twelve?

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Speaker 1: Wowteen? Or that so young?

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Speaker 5: I think you were fIF Did you have your license?

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weird that I don't remember this on the top of

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my head. I don't remember a lot of things, and

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I never watched the show, so when I see the show,

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it brings a lot of stuff back. But yeah, I

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was fifteen. Yeah, right, And we're also not that far

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apart in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you you obviously you had to have

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a teacher on set?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Was that was that fun or weird? Or did you

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Speaker 6: I mean there were certain things because I was twelve

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for an audition, booked a show, and although I'd been

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working in Atlanta, I became like the next seven years

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of my life. So I was constantly going back and

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forth and sort of splitting my time. So as I

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got into like high school, there were things, you know,

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It's like, oh, you missed that party, you missed that dance.

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Speaker 5: You can't be on the track team.

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Speaker 6: Or the cheerleader or whatever because I wasn't there enough.

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So there were certain things like I would cry when

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we would go to Atlanta because.

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Speaker 5: I'd be like, Oh, I got all my friends from

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acting class. I'm going to miss them, my Mike as castmates.

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And then I would cry when i'd have to come

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Speaker 1: That right, right, right, And it.

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Speaker 3: Was I loved it. I loved having a studio teacher.

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You know, we've talked about that on our podcast. It's

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such a cool relationship because you have I always had

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female studio teachers, so it's like you have a mom

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type of figure who's an adult and is kind of

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an authority figure, but that you're so close because you're

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working together one on one or almost one on one

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our teacher had me and Angela Watson, who played my

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sister Karen. It was just us. So we were so

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always so close with our tutor and it was such

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a cool relationship. And there were times where we would

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just not do schoolwork because someone was just melting down

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over something and we'd be sitting in a bean bag

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chair in the school room and our tutor was just

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having to you know, get everyone, you know, just talk

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through it and give advice and it was okay. I

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loved having that relationship. It was so cool to have

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a grown up woman, you know, not some kids, some

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you know, teenager or whatever, but like a full adult

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to who's not your mom to talk about stuff with

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or ask questions. And I mean it's just the coolest.

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I wish everybody I know could have that relationship.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really nice, really close to mine too.

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Speaker 6: We were done with the show, she and I traveled

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to Italy together. You're kidding, Yeah, for like ten days.

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We went to Rome, Florence, and Venice and she took

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me everywhere. I mean we went to all the sites

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where we saw all the historical things and then we

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go have like I was eighteen and to go off

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on you know that kind of adventure with my tutor. Again,

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it wasn't my mom, but it was like a.

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Speaker 5: An authority figure that I was friends with.

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Speaker 6: It was amazing and then we had like a little

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prosecco and it was cute.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're incredible people. We've talked about that on our

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podcast too, that you know, just people out there across

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the country. It's such a cool job because you're a

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teacher for this person, this young person. You're watching out

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for their well being. On set, you're they're social worker

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as well. You're enforcing all the union rules and stuff,

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and it's such a You get to have such a

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cool relationship with our kid and that job.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: But it must have been tough though, because you're doing

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you're in production, so you have the tutor there while

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you're in production. But then when you're not in production,

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you have to go back to regular school.

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Speaker 5: Right, sucked? I hate?

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Speaker 1: And what did your peers?

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Speaker 2: I know you talked about this on your show with

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I think you had a guest talking about but what

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was it like like when you're at the school and

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you're on television and the other students it was it?

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Speaker 1: Were they fine?

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Speaker 3: My experience sucked because I'm here, living here. I went

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to Notre Dame right here in the valley in Sherman Oaks,

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and all these kids, you know, their their parents are

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either makeup or here, people tap people, producers, directors. They

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don't give a shit. They're not impressed and if anything,

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they want you to know that that you ain't shit,

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you know. So it was very clear, like, don't think

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that you're like the pretty girl or the popular or

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just no, you know, we don't care. And if anything,

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this embarrassing thing that you're involved with that we can

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all see whenever we want to and make fun of,

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there is a liability for you, and you know, make

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sure you're aware of that. Whereas you were in Atlanta, right, I.

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Speaker 6: Was in Atlanta, And I was also on a TV

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show when I was twelve years old that was geared

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towards children and families. So I couldn't have been more

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in the zeitgeist of what everyone was watching. And it

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wasn't normal, you know. I came back after filming the

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pilot and you know, did a bunch of episodes and

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I had to start seventh grade at this brand new

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school and the show had already started airing. Wow, So

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I came in and I don't know, September, and I'd

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already filmed maybe four or five episodes and it just

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started airing, and everybody kind of.

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Speaker 5: Knew about me.

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Speaker 6: And I remember going to my locker in seventh grade

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and I'm like putting my stuff away and I turn

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around and it's just a crowd of just crowd around

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me and they're all asking me, like question after question

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after question.

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Speaker 5: I mean, and this went on for weeks.

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Speaker 1: Are you rich?

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Speaker 5: Is Patrick Duffy your real dad?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: There's so many things, you know?

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Speaker 6: And finally, like teachers would have to like break it up.

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Speaker 5: So it was weird. It was like unwanted attention. But

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also it didn't make you. Yeah, what didn't make you cool?

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If anything?

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Speaker 6: You had to really temper like, I don't think I'm

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any I just want.

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Speaker 5: To be like everyone else, you know. Yes, so it

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was a little awkward.

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Speaker 1: And how old you guys? You did it until? What

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age was?

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Speaker 3: In my early twenties?

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Speaker 5: I was nineteen, so I was in my first year

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of college. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good run, a.

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Speaker 5: Good run even shunk of adolescence.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't know, are we allowed to cuss on

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your show. Yeah, okay, we bleep ourselves on our own show,

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and then I just came and cuss on your show.

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I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: You can say whatever you were on on our show.

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Totally fine, totally fine. But now, so you guys have

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your own careers as adults and you're a district attorney.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah I was. I left the DA's office in June, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in Riverside County.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I'll tell you so. Yeah, I quit

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the business. I went to law school. I graduated law

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school in twenty thirteen. I went to law school to

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be a DA. That was the only thing that I

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wanted to do. That was the only kind of law

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I was interested to do.

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Speaker 6: It.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, do it.

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Speaker 3: It's doable.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie and I always talk about, you know, we should

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be We would be great detectives, we would be great doctors.

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Speaker 1: Doctors.

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Speaker 3: Well, Stephanie is a doctor. Yeah, she actually she is

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an actual MD.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she just didn't finish, well right now you finished?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to law school here in LA

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and then the lada's office was not hiring at that time,

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but Riverside was, So I lived in La and I

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worked in Riverside. Oh god crazy if yeah, if you're

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not from southern California, that is seventy five miles each way.

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So I drove to Riverside every day.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So because it was you know, do you want to

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be a DA or do you not? If you do,

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you're going to have to drive, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, So get hooked on a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh podcasts, Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I was there for

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three about three years, and then I came over to

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La DA. So all together, I was a DA for

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about ten and a half years. So I'm still a prosecutor,

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I'm just no longer at the DA's office.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so what does that mean if you're a prosecutor

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but not at the das. So I'm a prosecutor at

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a different agency now, So you can be a prosecutor

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for a city, for a county, for the state, for

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the Feds.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's even the Solicitor General's office. There's different

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prosecutorial agencies. I just left the DA's office for a

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different agency.

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Speaker 5: I see.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've got a lot of stories.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was a wow.

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Speaker 6: I feel like half our podcast is a little bit

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about like crime too, so we love of your job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has. It has changed my brain. I think

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doing that job, I think my brain is a different

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shape than it used to be because you know, we

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just I mean, it's a very cool vibe. Actually, I

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think you would like that about it. The DA's office,

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it's like being in theater. You know, there's so much camaraderie,

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and everybody is in the trenches and just fighting it out.

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You know, you got judges coming for you, you got

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defense attorneys coming after you, you have defendants coming after you.

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In some cases, you have your victims coming after you.

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It's just it's a brawl all day. And then in

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my case, you know, you go upstairs to the DA's

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office and everybody it's kind of like backstage, you know,

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everyone's kind of telling stories and decompressing, and Judge so

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and so said this, and I can't believe Judge. You

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know this other person did that, and you know whatever,

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the defendant got remanded and he passed out and he

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had a seizure, and then a fight broke out, and

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it's just it's he is chaos. And that's just not

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even what's happening in the cases. What happens in the

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cases is. I mean, I will I'm forever changed. I

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bet it's tattooed onto my brain because you just, you know,

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we I don't know. I feel like we live in

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the underbelly in that job, and yeah, kind of never

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get over it.

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Speaker 6: I first started recording, she was still working for the

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DA's office, and there was one day where we were

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just like chatting about you know, okay, and we'll record

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on this day, and she's like, great, great, Right.

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Speaker 5: I've got to go. I've got to get to the Morgue.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I've gotta go look at some bodies and just

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get to the more flatter analysis.

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Speaker 5: God, I go home and make macaroni and cheese.

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Speaker 3: I didn't look at anybody's that day, but I would

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have to go the More. Quite often. You went to

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the Morgue on a regular basis. It's a cool place

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here in La. It's in the old General Hospital. They

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used to have killer merch, but they closed down their

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Really I'm so bombed. Yeah wait, killer merch as in

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cool merch or yes, yes, sorry, going.

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Speaker 6: To the More to get merched, That's what I want

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to know.

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Speaker 3: So the La County Coroner's Office used to have a

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really cool online merch store, and they have fun. They

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had a good sense of humor about it. I have

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a little motto, it's a like a skeleton, but he's

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dressed like Sherlock Holmes.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's kind of that's cute.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, we're gonna get to some more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we just scratched a surface because I got

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questions for both of you about other things, including one

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of you, uh being having a friendship with.

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Speaker 1: Alison mac. Yes, so let's take a really quick break.

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We'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Laundry Sauce isn't just about smelling incredible. It's engineered for performance. Now,

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and we got the Bergamont laundry detergent pods from Laundry Sauce,

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and they we are obsessed. The smell is freaking delicious.

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And Stephanie is actually bumped because she wanted to do

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the ad today because she really was like graving over it.

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And then I got it and I love it, and

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Speaker 1: So the coroner has a march department, which I would

512
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never have thought.

513
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Speaker 3: They closed it down. I'm so disappointed. It was very cool,

514
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,839
but I'm sure it's available on eBay, subway you can

515
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find it. I got a T shirt and a magnet

516
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,240
that I treasure to this day.

517
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Speaker 5: What does your T shirt say it had?

518
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I just know that it's really cool.

519
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,359
It was cool enough that I had it. Hemmed, wow,

520
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,720
I can't sound an overly long tea and I'm sure yeah.

521
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Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, And you know, Jen was telling me

522
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,079
that there is this funny story about you in the

523
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courtroom and the.

524
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Speaker 3: Opposition being recognized.

525
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Speaker 1: The other attorney was dropping. Can you tell about tell

526
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us that?

527
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Speaker 3: Really?

528
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,319
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, this is so funny.

529
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Speaker 3: This was one of my first jury trials that I

530
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,400
ever did. It was out in Riverside County. It was

531
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a standard DUI trial and this kid, i'll call him

532
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,279
a kid. I mean, he was very young, new defense

533
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:57,039
attorney and he was just somebody. He was working for

534
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,799
a private attorney, you know, probably as you know, the

535
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,680
appearance guy or whatever. So anyway, they let him do

536
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,200
this trial, I think because it was just a bit

537
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,119
you know whatever. It's it's a misdemeanor d uy. So

538
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,799
then right away this kid he recognizes me and I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever,

539
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,839
you know. I I don't want to get too much

540
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,799
into it with him. But then he does his opening

541
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,599
and he start his he makes his theme, because really,

542
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,519
in an opening and in a closing argument, you're supposed

543
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,000
to have a theme, right, And he made his theme

544
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,759
step by step, and so he's going as he's going

545
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,400
through his argument, well, it's not supposed to be an argument,

546
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,359
that's supposed to be an opening statement. But whatever, he's saying, Well,

547
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,119
step by step, you're going to see how this investigation

548
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,400
falls apart, and step by step you're going to see

549
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960
how the police, you know, did this wrong and did

550
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,599
that wrong. And step by step, as we go along

551
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,359
and you look at the evidence, you're gonna see that

552
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,759
the evidence shows that my client was not under the influenced.

553
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Speaker 1: That night or whatever.

554
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:54,599
Speaker 3: And he kept dropping.

555
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: What's the purpose of that though, like so.

556
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,079
Speaker 6: That someone would throw recognize her and the whole trial

557
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,200
would be a mistrial.

558
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Speaker 2: I really, I don't know, just to get in your

559
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,440
head and get under your skin, or I think he

560
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,440
was just being kind of funny and just yeah, I

561
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,759
kind of like nudging me or something. But oh my gosh,

562
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,440
that's so and so now you're you're you do directing.

563
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,720
Now you do a lot of Uh yeah, so I

564
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I Christine, I'm talking to you.

565
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 5: Yes, I So.

566
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,039
Speaker 6: I transitioned my career about ten years ago. I started

567
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,519
choreographing for film and television, and I had a dance background,

568
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and I sort of just fell into it. It was kind

569
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,720
of like my side hustle when I was an actor,

570
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so I was somehow I was doing it for theater.

571
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,000
I had worked on a couple of films. My name

572
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,920
kind of got passed around through line producers in eighties

573
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,200
and such, and so then I just found myself working

574
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,279
on a lot of TV shows and I really enjoyed it.

575
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,160
I I liked being behind the camera. At the same time,

576
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I was producing and trying to sell.

577
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Speaker 5: Content and writing content, you know, trying to just be

578
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:02,559
a real self starter.

579
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 6: And it was sort of around that time that I

580
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,319
was sitting I was working on a show called The Goldbergs,

581
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,839
which I worked on for about ten years for ABC,

582
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,119
and had this like epiphany of oh my god, like,

583
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,839
why am I not doing that job?

584
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: Why am I not directing this show? I feel like

585
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,759
that is actually what I'm meant to be doing.

586
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,319
Speaker 6: When you've been around something for so long, you know

587
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,200
so much through osmosis.

588
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 5: And I was always the actor too that I found

589
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,240
myself constantly.

590
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,039
Speaker 6: Like pouring over call sheets. I liked being on set.

591
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,079
I liked watching what everyone was doing. I like knowing

592
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,640
everyone's jobs. And then I would get quite annoyed when

593
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,039
I couldn't figure out why the director was doing this

594
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,240
or that, and I'd be like, you know, we only

595
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,200
have another hour, Like what is he doing?

596
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: It's only another hour to lunch. He's not gonna get

597
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:52,599
this turn around like.

598
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,079
Speaker 6: And then I became the person that was armchair quarterbacking

599
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,880
no it likes that.

600
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,039
Speaker 5: So I was like, I just have to go do

601
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:58,519
that job.

602
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,559
Speaker 1: So it was easy to just transition into you do

603
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:01,960
you have to?

604
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: It was so hard time, Right, you have to learn

605
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,559
how to edit to be a director or somewhat.

606
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 6: But I mean what you I mean, Yes, continuity and

607
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,319
understanding angles and all of that is important, but the

608
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,720
real thing is getting people to trust you with a

609
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,079
lot of money, because time is money, as you know.

610
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:24,839
So it's it's like that thing where people will say, well,

611
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,680
you've never done it, so you don't know how to

612
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,960
do it. I'm like well, if I never get to

613
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,279
do it, I can't show you that I can. So

614
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,640
I just started directing everything I could. I was directing

615
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,880
music videos and short films and my friend's web series

616
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,319
and like, I was doing everything I could for about

617
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,119
five years, and I was in at the time, there

618
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,759
was a lot of There were several organizations that were

619
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,839
really trying to promote women in the industry because we

620
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,519
still only make up about nineteen percent of all directors,

621
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and now they say that women are no longer considered

622
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,880
I guess a minority group, which I think is kind

623
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,319
of of a nightmare. But there's a lot of people

624
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,319
that are underrepresented and in that job.

625
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: But anyway, and just it.

626
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,279
Speaker 6: Took a really long time, and finally, I think it

627
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:14,680
was because i'd been working on the Goldbergs for at

628
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,799
that point six years. Several of the castmates found out

629
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,160
that I wanted to do that, and they liked me,

630
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,400
and they liked working with me, and I think I

631
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:28,039
had built enough trust that the advocacy started to flow upward,

632
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,279
and finally I got my first one in two thousand

633
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:32,960
and eighteen.

634
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's good for you.

635
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 5: So it took a while.

636
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,519
Speaker 2: I always found directing to be interesting, like it seemed

637
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,079
like it would be a fun job if you know

638
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,680
what you're doing.

639
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you have to like puzzles.

640
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to like logistics, forethought and puzzles, which

641
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,720
I do.

642
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:50,519
Speaker 5: I like all of those.

643
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary because, as you know, a set is

644
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,720
kind of like a pack. You know, they're already cohesive,

645
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:02,599
they have their clicks, they have their vibe, their own culture.

646
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,319
And then on a show like like The Goldbergs, I

647
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,720
would imagine, like most shows, the directors come and go,

648
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,559
and if everyone decides they don't like you or that you're.

649
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,599
Speaker 5: Not good or that you're slow or whatever, they don't

650
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,279
have badly.

651
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:17,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

652
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. And back in my day in the industry,

653
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,960
I felt like the female directors were just not non

654
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,359
existent barely any and when they showed up, everybody started

655
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,720
with an attitude. The default was a problem in an attitude,

656
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,839
and then maybe you dial back from that if this

657
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,799
person proves themselves kind of like guilty until proven competent

658
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,720
or totally right.

659
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense getting people to trust you,

660
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,039
because that's probably like you know, first step and are

661
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,519
you fun and are you fun?

662
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really.

663
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 6: I mean, especially when you get on a set where

664
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,920
people have been doing this job.

665
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,319
Speaker 5: For a while, they just want to have fun.

666
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 6: They don't want someone coming in and being all nervous

667
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,279
and telling you where to go.

668
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 5: And you know, you gotta gotta.

669
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 2: Girls are fun, you know. She was just Chack was

670
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,640
telling me this crazy story. Could I one about the

671
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,279
cell phone?

672
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh that at the movie.

673
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:18,319
Speaker 3: That's a stacy story. Another another one where I will

674
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,240
be cringing for the rest of my entire life. It

675
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,960
is the it is the lifelong cringe. Yeah, that story.

676
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,039
Speaker 2: Because I want our audience to hear you guys, you

677
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,640
know stories, and get a flavor of what your show

678
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:30,960
is like.

679
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well I went to Sundance.

680
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we couldn't ask.

681
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,079
Speaker 1: The film the film.

682
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 5: We couldn't.

683
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: Oh god, we're having a total brain It was Sundance.

684
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,799
It was a time when cell phones were not yet ubiquitous.

685
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:53,759
Some people not for you, excuse me, now, look, I

686
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,319
think that it was two thousand and six.

687
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:57,359
Speaker 5: I think that's late.

688
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, well, anyhow, I did not have a cell

689
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,759
phone at the time. Okay, it was the day of

690
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,559
the flip phone. That was the era that we were in.

691
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,960
These were not smartphones, you know, it was like that.

692
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:15,359
So I decided to borrow a phone from someone to

693
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,519
take to Sundance because I was going by myself and

694
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,759
so and I had a lot of friends that we're

695
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:21,160
going to be there, but you know, you got to

696
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,039
find people and meet up with people. And where are

697
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:23,480
we going.

698
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:29,559
Speaker 5: Back to get a page? Yeah, yeah, just making sure.

699
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,359
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, No, I didn't have a page of it

700
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,599
by then. Okay, anyway, so I borrow I don't know

701
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,880
who let let me use their cell phone. It must

702
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,279
have been my boyfriend at the time, don't anyway, So

703
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,880
I have this phone. So I go to see a

704
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,039
documentary which I'm very excited about, which is The Filth

705
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,400
and the Fury, which is a great doc by the way,

706
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,640
if you haven't seen it, it's the story of the

707
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,440
sex Pistols. Right, because my favorite movie growing up my

708
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,559
best friend Devin, and I said, Nancy.

709
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 1: If I love that movie too, that.

710
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Movie is is a masterpiece. It is a mass piece. Yes,

711
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,759
it punishes you, It will punish you over and over again.

712
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,920
It's so long, but I just I love it and

713
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,920
as a kid, the whole like doomed romance anyway, So

714
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,480
this is the true story now of the sex pistol.

715
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,240
So I'm there, I'm at the and this is the

716
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,359
premiere of the doc. It's not just a showing of

717
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,680
the documentary. It is the premiere. So everybody's there, cast crew,

718
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,519
you know, here's the premiere at sun Dance. I'm like

719
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,839
thrilled to death, of course. So you know, we're in

720
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,640
the showing of the of the doc and it's great,

721
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640
and we're at this really really poignant moment in the

722
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,079
movie because this is where Sid Vicious, you know, he's

723
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,359
addicted to heroine. His addiction is really bad. And Johnny

724
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Rotten is on screen, you know, on a straight to

725
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,920
camera kind of interview thing, talking about Sid, you know,

726
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,000
his friend. It's terrible. And so now Sid has, you know,

727
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,000
died due to his addiction. He overdosed, and you know

728
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,079
he's talking about how the music industry, you know, they

729
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:03,359
could have helped him more, but they liked him addicted.

730
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,519
And it's so painful, it's so poignant, and you know,

731
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,039
he's crying on screen about the loss of his friend,

732
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:14,039
and this freaking phone starts ringing and it is ringing,

733
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,199
so loud it is. I mean, this is a two

734
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,800
thousand and six flip phone that is you know.

735
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,119
Speaker 1: That kind of.

736
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:27,599
Speaker 3: Ring in the theater, and it is completely silent, completely dark,

737
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,320
and I am just wrestling with this thing. I barely

738
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,760
know how to use it, right, I am apoplectic trying

739
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,440
to turn this thing off, pressing every button. I'm in

740
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,800
the middle. I'm in the middle of this row, so

741
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,360
I would have to climb over twelve people to the right,

742
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960
twenty people to the left. I still remember the guy

743
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,239
who was sitting directly to my right, who was a

744
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239
guy in his thirties with a beard, and he if

745
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,599
looks I mean, he was looking at me like he

746
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,679
would have melted. I fed off of my body with

747
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,400
a look. He was like, and I'm like, I'm trying

748
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,280
to turn I'm doing everything. I could not get it off,

749
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,960
so it rang until it stopped.

750
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Oh god.

751
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,559
Speaker 3: And the worst part was that Johnny Rotten was sitting

752
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,679
directly behind me, which I knew, and it's Johnny Rotten.

753
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: It's did you try to like shove it in your purse?

754
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: I tried everything, but it was so loud.

755
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would have tried. Yeah, it was breaking.

756
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 3: So I thought Johnny Rotten was just going to reach

757
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,199
over and strangle me, you know, and then he got up.

758
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,079
They called him up on stage afterwards. And this is

759
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,519
where I thought, Okay, well, if I didn't get you know,

760
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,960
attacked by this audience forming a mob and just you know,

761
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000
running me out of here on a rail, now, I'm

762
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,800
just gonna get dunked on by Johnny Rotten in front

763
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,760
of this entire theater full of angry people. So I

764
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,000
thought for sure he was going to.

765
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:00,119
Speaker 5: Be like whatever, fuck.

766
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: Whatever, And thankfully he didn't. He seemed to have chilled

767
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,199
out considerably with age at that time. Thank god you

768
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,199
shared my life.

769
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,159
Speaker 1: That was crazy.

770
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,559
Speaker 4: They didn't call back during the show, did they?

771
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 5: During the Who the hell called you? Were you so mad?

772
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,079
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?

773
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: If if I blocked it out, I can't can be

774
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,360
traumatized that happens.

775
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 5: It probably wasn't even for you.

776
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 6: You borrow the phone someone else.

777
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: Your prescription is ready.

778
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy. I love that story. That's pretty funny.

779
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: And and you were, oh, yeah, you know you were

780
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,280
going to ask about Alison.

781
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I was, but I wanted to ask before I

782
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,280
was going to get to that after the next break.

783
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,280
But any like fun stories like from the set that

784
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,679
you can think of that. I mean, what was it

785
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,760
like with Suzanne Summers as your you know mom?

786
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

787
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: And and uh and is Patrick Duffy really your dad?

788
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,079
Speaker 5: Patrick?

789
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 6: I wish sometimes that you were actually blood related. I

790
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,960
do have a wonderful father. But he he really he

791
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,639
would sign everything Dad number.

792
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,679
Speaker 5: Two and still does.

793
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,519
Speaker 6: And we just saw him right around Christmas. And I

794
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,599
mean that man is just all of the earth. I

795
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,960
just I adore him so much. She has got the

796
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,679
biggest heart, the best memory, the most interesting life.

797
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,599
Speaker 5: And creative career. He was a wonderful patriarch of Verse said.

798
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: I'd say that's great.

799
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: Suzanne too, is just the coolest, coolest lady. You know people,

800
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,639
you know, when the show was on, if somebody would

801
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,039
recognize me, they'd want to know what Suzanne is like.

802
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,920
And I think people thought she was kind of ditzy

803
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,199
or dinghy or something because of her character in Three's Company.

804
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,719
She was not like that at all. She was a

805
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,840
brilliant business person. But aside from that, she does a

806
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,519
very warm, very funny, very open, very elegant, very relaxed. Yeah,

807
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,039
very glamorous too.

808
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,599
Speaker 6: But also very you know, just so, but also very

809
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:07,559
down to earth, like could wear jeans and boots and turquoise,

810
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,639
and that was kind of her vibe. A lot of

811
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:11,519
times she'd be on set and we'd just be working,

812
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,320
you know, doing the scenes, but was also just I

813
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
mean I just remember as a twelve year old, thirteen

814
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,360
year old girl, I would I would just stare at

815
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,559
her like everything from.

816
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,519
Speaker 5: Like oh my god, her hair, look at her nails,

817
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,960
look at her you know.

818
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,159
Speaker 3: I mean she was perfect.

819
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

820
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,079
Speaker 1: I mean she was so healthy too.

821
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean she kept her her her health really well

822
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,199
for so long. She had i mean, her workout stuff.

823
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,000
She just it's like she had the fountain of youth.

824
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,880
There's like she had some secret alexa or something.

825
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 5: I mean, she was really one of the first aging yeah.

826
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,079
Speaker 6: When you know, now all celebrities have cookbooks, right, but

827
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,719
she started sort of this this it wasn't even a diet.

828
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,760
It was more of like a lifestyle but great lose weight. Yeah,

829
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,079
And she had three cookbooks and they were all rooted

830
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,280
in real food and sort of combining certain carbohydrates and

831
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,960
proteins and fats. So it wasn't like Atkins, but it

832
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,360
was it was just more of like a.

833
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,159
Speaker 5: Moderate way of eating.

834
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 6: But the recipes were amazing. Because I still cook from

835
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,280
that cookbook. It basically taught me how to cook when

836
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,559
I was seventeen because I didn't know what I was doing.

837
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Did she get that?

838
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,599
Speaker 5: It's a great She was an amazing cook foundation.

839
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,599
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean she was just a joyful person. Maybe

840
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,440
that's why she always, you know, seems so youthful because

841
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,639
she really was, yeah, joyful and happy and had a

842
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,599
great marriage Patrick as well. Yeah, they both had these

843
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:34,559
really long term marriages. Both of them married someone that

844
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,559
was ten years older than them, which I thought was

845
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:37,440
pretty interesting.

846
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,119
Speaker 1: Right.

847
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: So I always loved, you know, because my parents were divorced.

848
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,119
Everything was a disaster, you know. So I loved seeing

849
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,440
these for all those years, getting to grow up with

850
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,280
their marriages, seeing Suzanne and her husband Alan and Patrick

851
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,519
and his wife Carlin, and because they were just you know, happy,

852
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,039
and they lived well, and they you know, did cool

853
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,920
stuff and traveled and enjoyed life.

854
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 5: Right.

855
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 2: Was there anybody that was that turned out to be

856
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,480
troubled after from your show? Because you know, see these kids,

857
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,400
these young kids that are in Hollywood that can end up.

858
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I think everybody had you know, some moment.

859
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,440
There were definitely some moments like but you know, there

860
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,000
was some stuff with Brandon Call and he he was

861
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,519
sort of met. People know this, but he was met

862
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,840
at the end of some road rage violence. It could

863
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,840
have gotten very very scary.

864
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 5: And well he got shot, right he did.

865
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, in a road rage incident that was during the.

866
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,039
Speaker 5: Show, during the show.

867
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: It was a miracle that he survived.

868
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 6: Honestly, And I don't think it had anything to do

869
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,960
with fame. I don't think the person even knew who

870
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,360
he was.

871
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 5: Quite frankly, they.

872
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,519
Speaker 3: Just didn't like the way he drove one time. Yeah.

873
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys, you girls are proof that just

874
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,920
because you're an actor as a child doesn't mean you

875
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,880
have to go off the rails later in life.

876
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:08,559
Speaker 1: You know.

877
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: It's just there's just some people that I don't know

878
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
how to handle it and can't handle it, and those

879
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,159
unfortunately get the headline to get all the stories and

880
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:16,960
then get the attention.

881
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: But look at you guys, I mean.

882
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 5: Look at us in a gutter.

883
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,599
Speaker 6: No, but I do think what you're saying, like, I

884
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,800
think there are you know, there's all kinds of personality

885
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,559
types and then imagine giving a certain personality type, a

886
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,760
lot of fame, a lot of money, and a lot

887
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,480
of maybe a puffed.

888
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,159
Speaker 3: Attention, also pressure.

889
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,639
Speaker 6: But then at some point, sure all of that might

890
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,599
just go away, right, and then what is your you know,

891
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,719
what is your level of self worth or what have you? You know,

892
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,920
how do you pivot into a different career or what

893
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
do you do next? And if you don't really have

894
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,960
guiding lights in your life, I think get very challenging.

895
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:00,679
Speaker 1: I can see that.

896
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:04,159
Speaker 3: And the industry is terrible, I think. I mean, I know,

897
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,280
I mean, I love the creativity and the culture of

898
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,320
the industry, but in terms of the other part of it,

899
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,199
which is not creating culture, but the internal culture of

900
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,400
the industry, I find to be rotten, en you know,

901
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,840
I just do. And I haven't had the worst experiences,

902
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,679
I you know, I think I've had a pretty average

903
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,519
experience except for Step by step. I think that was

904
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:31,199
a charmed We lived in a charmed, magical world because

905
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,199
they were the nicest people. We had nice producers. They

906
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,360
worked only with nice people. They didn't really tollerate, you know,

907
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,480
I don't think they would have tolerated anything less. They

908
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,159
treated the kids great, you know, whatever we needed for

909
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,559
our education everything like that. So we lived in this.

910
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320
You know, we were totally within the industry but very

911
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,559
much safe from it. For that period of time.

912
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,639
Speaker 6: There was no yelling, there was no screaming, There was

913
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:58,079
no and there was a lot of I mean, those

914
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,079
producers really wanted us to still be kids. So when

915
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:03,039
something would come up and you'd say, oh, you know,

916
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,480
I have this this big thing that I want to

917
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,360
try to go do, they would move heaven and earth

918
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,480
to try to make it happy.

919
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,519
Speaker 1: Right, it's nice, it's good to hear. Good.

920
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, oh, you need a Latin tutor. Absolutely,

921
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,119
you need a new computer for the school room. Yes,

922
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,800
you had a special other tutor for this. Great, they mean, yeah,

923
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:22,840
you know your pe requirement will hire.

924
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,679
Speaker 1: They set it up, you know, for success.

925
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 5: For you guys.

926
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: They did this is important.

927
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 6: I mean they flew me home every three weeks so

928
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,119
that I could go back to my real school.

929
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: That's nice, that's really cool.

930
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

931
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: Some I think some projects exploit kids. They did not

932
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,119
exploit us. They nurtured us and took care of us

933
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,199
and cared about us.

934
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: That's nice. All right.

935
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,599
Speaker 2: Then we're going to get to Alison Mac after we

936
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,440
take a quick break. Okay, hey guys, let's tell you

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Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know if you guys know,

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but Stephanie was approached think over Facebook.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, your's Twitter something maybe.

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Speaker 2: With Twitter, Twitter or Facebook. I think it was Facebook,

987
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but years ago. And wanted to get together with Stephanie

988
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and take her to like lunch.

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Speaker 5: And tell her about her women's group Brandes.

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Speaker 2: To tell her about this like in women's empowering group

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that she's a part of.

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Speaker 1: And Stephanie was like, yeah, no, I damn good.

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Speaker 5: I think that she was started.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, so she was like this close to getting

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you know, sucked into a cult.

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Speaker 3: And to having a brandy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: Yes, did you guys both know her back in the

999
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,239
day or you did not know?

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00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: Okay, but you were going to go yeah.

1001
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 6: So yeah, Alison was in my acting class. I was

1002
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in an acting class here in the Valley that was

1003
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,119
Young Actor Space that was taught by Diane Harden, who

1004
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:43,159
was also a manager, and Diane, like she had in

1005
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,719
the in in her heyday, was you know all that,

1006
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,960
she had Molly Ringwald, she had Leonardo DiCaprio, Toby McGuire.

1007
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,679
At the time I was there, it was like Lindsay Price,

1008
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Nicole tom Gosh, who Alison Mack. I mean, it was

1009
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,880
just sort of this group of young actors, all of

1010
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,679
us kind of working in our various you know, realms,

1011
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,679
And it was an amazing class And it was such

1012
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,920
a great community for me because I didn't have friends here,

1013
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,760
so now I had all these like awesome actor friends.

1014
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,440
So Allison and I knew each other when we were young.

1015
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,559
I mean, I think she might have.

1016
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Speaker 5: Been fourteen, wow, fourteen or.

1017
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Speaker 6: Fifteen when we were in class together. She was several

1018
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,880
years younger than me, so I think she was sixteen.

1019
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,039
I was maybe nineteen. The show had ended. There was

1020
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,079
a show called Opposite of Sex. It starred Chris Evans

1021
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,559
and Milo Ventimiglia and some other folks. And I was

1022
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,920
in the pilot episode and I think I recurred in

1023
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,400
like episode three or something. Alison was cast as a

1024
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,199
series regular. I think it only went maybe six episodes,

1025
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,159
six or twelve something like that. And it was like

1026
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,880
one of those young teen dramatis on CW. And now

1027
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,159
Alison I had been in class together, we had the

1028
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,119
same manager. She was coming up from Orange County all

1029
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,519
the time. She was sixteen. I think she was emancipated.

1030
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,159
So she had brothers and sisters, and her family just

1031
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:13,760
couldn't keep bringing her back back and forth. So essentially

1032
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,239
at that time I was in a relationship with Jeff

1033
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,840
to day I talked.

1034
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 5: About a thousand times on the show. Yeah, my first

1035
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:22,639
real boy friend.

1036
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 6: And I had an apartment. I was going to UCLA,

1037
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,920
I was, you know, acting whatever, doing jobs. And anyway,

1038
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,159
Jeff and his two friends had an apartment together, and

1039
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,719
essentially Alison moved in with them, and they were nice

1040
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,920
guys like they She couldn't have been a better situation.

1041
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,000
She moved in so that she could work on the show.

1042
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:42,800
And so I actually saw a lot of her during

1043
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,159
that time.

1044
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 5: It yeahs yeah, exactly, totally. So cut you.

1045
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 6: Several years later we saw a lot of Alison during

1046
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:54,760
like up and down. She would come up, she would stay,

1047
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,440
she would do some auditions, she would go back to

1048
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,159
Orange County. I think we went to Europe. She was

1049
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,639
eighteen I was maybe twenty two and we took a

1050
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:05,599
trip to Europe together.

1051
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: Was this with your teacher?

1052
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 6: Uh no, this was after Yeah, this was I had

1053
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,880
just I think I was my last year of college.

1054
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:16,320
This was like the pilgrimage that people do, and you

1055
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,599
get the Euroreal pass just right before nine to eleven.

1056
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,840
Everything was just very accessible and easy and anyway. So

1057
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,639
she came on the first half of the trip with

1058
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,519
me and was really just you know, what I know

1059
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:33,440
of Allison? What I know of the person that I

1060
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:38,000
knew then was a girl who was about to start Smallville.

1061
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,280
She had gotten the pilot, this show was going. Her

1062
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,199
life was just about to change, and she was going

1063
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,400
to be moving to Vancouver at nineteen eighteen years old.

1064
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,159
Song you know, to start this show in another country

1065
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,480
and essentially be on her own, right, And she was

1066
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,000
when you travel with someone, you really get to know them,

1067
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,880
you know. Yeah, I was twenty two. I I was

1068
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,079
so ready to like be on my own.

1069
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,679
Speaker 1: I was.

1070
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 6: I had no problem reading a train schedule, finding a

1071
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,719
place to stay, figuring out you know what. The again,

1072
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,280
logistical kind of person I am.

1073
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 5: She was.

1074
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 6: She was searching even then, I felt for something she

1075
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,760
didn't have a formal high school education.

1076
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:30,159
Speaker 5: She had gone to a professional school. She didn't go

1077
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,760
to college, but.

1078
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 6: She really wanted something in her life and was very

1079
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:43,840
much a you know, she was a dreamer, She was

1080
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,519
a she was an artist. She was constantly trying to

1081
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,480
collect people and find people and find meaning.

1082
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 5: Right, So does it surprise me?

1083
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: Right?

1084
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 5: No?

1085
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think like the entertainment industry attracts people

1086
00:51:59,199 --> 00:51:59,519
like that.

1087
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not like that.

1088
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of mind like searching for

1089
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:10,000
you know, the meaning of you know, or deeper.

1090
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. Maybe I'm just dense, but like,

1091
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,239
I just don't.

1092
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: But there's there's so many people that in this industry

1093
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,840
that you can see can fall into something like you

1094
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,320
know what she fell into, because they're you know, constantly looking,

1095
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,440
and they're may be lost, and maybe they don't have

1096
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,119
good relationships with their parents or you know, their family.

1097
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,119
Speaker 1: They feel alone.

1098
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think also, I mean, if you think

1099
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,559
about it, she'd been coming to la since she was

1100
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:44,039
fifteen sixteen by herself, right, and then going up and

1101
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,920
living in a totally different country at eighteen. I remember

1102
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,519
at the time that we traveled she was dating this guy.

1103
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,000
He was in sort of like an incubus wannabe band.

1104
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,400
They were signed to a record label and they thought

1105
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,199
they were hot shit, and they all had tattoos and

1106
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,360
they were all skinny and all doing drugs. And she

1107
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:04,079
just wasn't that kind of a person. Like she was

1108
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:08,159
like sunshine and overalls and flowers in my hair, you know.

1109
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,800
And she started dating this guy, which was a total

1110
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,039
one eighty. And I remember being on that trip and

1111
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,840
we had like a satellite phone you were only supposed

1112
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480
to use in emergencies because it costs like a billion dollars.

1113
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,960
So I never used it because I was just like, oh.

1114
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 5: Oh, you know my parents from an internet.

1115
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 6: Cafe every four days and let him know him alive.

1116
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,679
And she and he were like constantly on that phone.

1117
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:35,440
They were fighting, they were he odeed at one point,

1118
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,519
like there was so much drama going on. And I

1119
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:42,920
remember being like, girl, I'm gonna try to be your

1120
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,519
big sister right now. I don't have siblings, but I

1121
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,360
love you like a sister, and I'm going to give

1122
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,800
you some tough love. And I tried to tell her

1123
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,960
that she was too young for this shit. She had

1124
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,119
everything going for her and she didn't need this, and

1125
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:58,719
that like he was leading her down a bad path.

1126
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,400
He wasn't gonna be anything. He wasn't anyone, and like

1127
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,599
his lifestyle was not who she was and she didn't

1128
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,039
need to go down that dark path.

1129
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 5: She did not want to hear that.

1130
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 6: As most eighteen year olds don't, of course, So you

1131
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,639
know I tried, Yeah I tried, but let me tell you.

1132
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,559
I did not get an invitation okay on Facebook to

1133
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,119
go to lunch.

1134
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,119
Speaker 1: No he didn't.

1135
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,639
Speaker 3: Did you guys lose touch?

1136
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,079
Speaker 6: I mean obviously, yeah, that was not that was that

1137
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,519
advice was not taken.

1138
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,559
Speaker 5: Well, that was the start of kind of things, my

1139
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,559
quasi intervention that I had.

1140
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: So she was not she didn't want to hear it.

1141
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,519
Speaker 5: She did want to hear it.

1142
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: And even after I imagine at some point they break up,

1143
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,599
you guys don't get back in touch.

1144
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 5: They broke up.

1145
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,119
Speaker 6: It took her took her three years or something because

1146
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,800
he hung on you know, that banding go anywhere, and

1147
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,360
then he had to hang on to a meal ticket.

1148
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,360
I'm sure, I'm sorry, but no, thank you, and uh,

1149
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,639
you know, there was a couple of interactions we sort

1150
00:54:58,679 --> 00:54:59,320
of made up.

1151
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,159
Speaker 5: It was like I, you know, I apologize.

1152
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 6: I was like, I was just trying to And I

1153
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,599
think by that point they had broken up and she

1154
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,039
sort of realized, like, I've been right, but I wasn't

1155
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:08,559
looking for it.

1156
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 5: I told you so or anything like that.

1157
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 6: I was in Vancouver, I was filming something and we

1158
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,880
met for lunch one day and it was really nice

1159
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,559
and we had a really nice lunch, and it was

1160
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:19,039
it was great to see her, and she seemed like

1161
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,039
she was in a good place.

1162
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: Was it this was pre pre Okay?

1163
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this I think was right before and she

1164
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,000
was dating a nice guy and seemed like she had

1165
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:32,320
some I still feel like she was just that type.

1166
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,159
She was constantly like searching for something I wanted to be,

1167
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,199
like go to the learning annex. Yes, like don't do that,

1168
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,320
you know, but if you've seen the documentary, which I

1169
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,920
have too, I can just imagine this charismatic I know everything,

1170
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,039
I'm gonna pick you, choose you your special I think

1171
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,800
all of that would have been very appealing.

1172
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: Now do you think that she was in love with

1173
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:02,440
Keith Nary?

1174
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah? Probably.

1175
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,079
Speaker 6: I mean I think he was a guru. I think

1176
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,239
I think everybody vied for his attention.

1177
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:08,639
Speaker 5: But I think she was.

1178
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:12,199
Speaker 6: Powerful more so than some of the others because she

1179
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:17,360
had she had resources financially and otherwise. I mean, she

1180
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,480
definitely reached out to a friend of mine, Yeah, another

1181
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,599
actress friend of mine, and invited her and actually gifted

1182
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:30,199
her like a two week complimentary you know, common courses

1183
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,079
and my I've told this story on a different podcast,

1184
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:39,119
but but my friend Beverly, then, in pure Beverly fashion,

1185
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,320
regifted it to somebody else.

1186
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 5: Who didn't take her up on it. But I was like,

1187
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,199
I cannot believe you regifted a cult invitation that funny,

1188
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:56,280
I didn't want it to go to wait, drop it off.

1189
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 6: But I think, you know, I don't know that in

1190
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,360
the beginning, it is what it seemed. It seemed like

1191
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,400
it was all in the up and up right, you know,

1192
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,639
women and business and trying to be your own person

1193
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:10,440
and growth, and.

1194
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 5: I'm sure all of that was very appeal feeling.

1195
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.

1196
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,639
Speaker 3: And he's so manipulative. I mean, there is a clip

1197
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,119
in one of those documentaries that I still think about

1198
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:24,880
where it's one of their recorded late night walks in Alcahola, right,

1199
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,159
and she says something to him that is so deferential

1200
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,440
and not taking a position and kind of asking him

1201
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,199
what he thinks she should do, and his response is

1202
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,039
to make fun of her and tell her what a

1203
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:41,199
narcissist she is. I remember that, and I could not

1204
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,159
believe that interaction because if you're there, one on one, yeah,

1205
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,920
you would think, oh, I guess I am. Then even

1206
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,960
though she's trying to be so whatever you want, I

1207
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,679
don't have. You know, it's almost make herself invisible. And

1208
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,800
then he's there being like you freaking you should be

1209
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,800
on the poster for what a narcissist is, right, I remember.

1210
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,559
Speaker 6: So it's it's sad, you know, it's like I haven't

1211
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:07,400
had any contact with her in years, But I don't like.

1212
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,400
It's a rough It's a rough recovery I think, emotionally

1213
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,639
and mentally from that kind of abuse.

1214
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1215
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,599
Speaker 4: Is there a part of you though, from like because

1216
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,039
you knew her so well back in the day, that

1217
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,599
wants to call her up now and be like girl, like.

1218
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: What the hell?

1219
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 5: Like what was going on?

1220
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk?

1221
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:26,599
Speaker 6: We need to get to get like I mean, I

1222
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,039
you know, when when it all started to come out,

1223
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,800
and then when it seemed like, oh god, she's going

1224
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:35,239
she's going to court, she might be going to jail,

1225
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,119
and went to jail. I mean, you know, there was

1226
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:41,400
a group of us from acting class, my friend John Huertas,

1227
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:42,920
my friend Chad.

1228
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: We were all like, should we like write her a letter,

1229
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:45,679
just let her.

1230
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,719
Speaker 6: Know that, hey, there are people that are here for you,

1231
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,199
because I don't know how many people are going to

1232
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:53,280
turn their back on you and I and I still

1233
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,880
feel that way. I mean I would, I would, I

1234
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,559
would always be here for her as a friend, especially

1235
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,639
after what she's been through, because I don't again, I

1236
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:04,760
don't you can look at somebody and say, oh, they're

1237
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,719
an idiot, they should have known better. But when you

1238
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,400
come from like an environment, when what I saw of

1239
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,559
her growing up and of the lack of I think,

1240
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:18,199
directional course and having to figure so much out on

1241
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,679
her own, I can see how very quickly you could

1242
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,480
be manipulated. And I'm sure there were times in which

1243
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,480
that group, that community actually felt really good. She probably

1244
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:31,960
felt like she had a lot of friends and people

1245
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,599
that cared about her, and I'm sure there were some

1246
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:35,079
genuine friendships.

1247
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,119
Speaker 2: Probably crave that camaraderie and then just got you know,

1248
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,960
I just it must be a shock to have to

1249
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,480
watch that somebody that you know and see watch it unfold.

1250
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,519
Speaker 1: You're just like, how did it and how it get?

1251
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:54,559
Speaker 5: How do you like? At what point you're like, oh, yeah,

1252
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,199
that sounds like a good idea. Some hot irons.

1253
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:01,119
Speaker 2: And people in those initials are really Alison mac like,

1254
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,119
I don't it's yeah right the k.

1255
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: Are or or it could be yeah.

1256
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 5: Either way, let's you shouldn't be branding pah.

1257
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's amazing.

1258
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean so do you have any other story

1259
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:16,960
you want to ask?

1260
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:19,519
Speaker 4: Oh, I need to ask about Stacy's house?

1261
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,639
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yeah we haven't the haunted house.

1262
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,679
Speaker 3: Yes, it is haunted.

1263
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,119
Speaker 1: It's still haunted.

1264
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: It's perpetually haunted. Yeah, but you know, I'm used to it.

1265
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:38,039
It's a good vibe. It's not scary, it's not well,

1266
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:40,960
it has been scary at times.

1267
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: What was the first thing that you noticed, Like, what

1268
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,599
was the first incident you ever had?

1269
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: Well, it has a haunted vibe before you even come in.

1270
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: Oh.

1271
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people say they when they

1272
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:54,639
pull up, they go, this place is haunted right before

1273
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:58,440
they even come in. So it has that vibe to it.

1274
01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:00,800
And then you know, I moved in eighteen so I

1275
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,280
my design theme became haunted House. I was trying to

1276
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,800
just encourage that as much as possible because I didn't

1277
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,519
do it. Yeah, I wouldn't take down any spider webs.

1278
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,400
I've started doing that now, but when I was a kid,

1279
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,519
I would leave them there. So, you know, this is

1280
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:15,760
what it is, so why don't just let it be

1281
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:16,639
what it already is?

1282
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1283
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: So it was so the first things that would happen is,

1284
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,920
you know these arched glass doors that are in the

1285
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,079
living room that have this really specific kind of old

1286
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:30,119
closure on them where it has a bar that's connected

1287
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:33,239
to a knob, and the bar goes into these notches

1288
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,360
that are above and below, one in the floor and

1289
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,119
one in the I guess the slash or whatever you

1290
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,400
call that above, and then you twist the knob from

1291
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,559
the inside and pull it towards you in and that's

1292
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:44,920
how you open the door. But I would come down

1293
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,719
in the morning and all three of these would be

1294
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:47,679
standing open.

1295
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1296
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1297
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: Or my dog. I always have a big, crazy or

1298
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,559
scary or just big. Now, now my current dog is

1299
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,360
not scary, he's just big. I always tend to have

1300
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,320
a big, nutty dog. So my big nutty dog would

1301
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,119
be barking in the middle of the night because she

1302
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,039
had and I was going, how could she possibly be outside?

1303
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:07,519
We went to bed, and it was because all those

1304
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:11,039
doors were open. So that happened multiple times, and then

1305
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:15,840
multiple times, wow, yes, multiple times. And then I would

1306
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,960
just hear things. I would hear a house full of

1307
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:22,559
people when I was in the house alone upstairs and downstairs.

1308
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,000
I would hear all of this movement and action and

1309
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:28,679
people walking up the stairs and not speaking, not voices,

1310
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,159
but you know, the wooden chairs scraping against the floor

1311
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:35,599
in the dining room, the cabinet doors in the kitchen closing,

1312
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:38,840
and just all of this action, like there were ten

1313
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,159
people downstairs, and I just it's the weirdest feeling because

1314
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:46,639
you're going had Wasn't that terrifying at the time, Yes,

1315
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,880
but it's such a bizarre like I just remember, you know,

1316
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,960
my heart pounding and my face getting red and just

1317
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:58,079
thinking I'm not I'm not insane, I am hearing this.

1318
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,519
This is happening right now. Oh, this is happening right now?

1319
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:03,480
What is this? And then you're trying to think of

1320
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:07,480
every explanation and what could it be? And logically, but

1321
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,079
as you're thinking this stuff, you're still hearing it. It's

1322
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,480
still happening, And then you're going, what am I gonna do?

1323
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 5: What is this?

1324
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: How is this possible? Am I losing my mind? It's

1325
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,840
such a crazy ride. Anyway, So I would that would

1326
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,119
happen frequently, that that would be happening downstairs, and it

1327
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:27,239
was very scary. But then the worst one was where

1328
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,440
I was washing my face in the bathroom and I

1329
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,719
had the soap on my face and I hurt. It started,

1330
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,880
and I'm going, oh, I can't I can't believe this

1331
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,679
is happening again. It's starting again. It's doing it again.

1332
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,119
It's happening again, And you start going on that whole

1333
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,639
ride in your mind. And the door to the hallway

1334
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,760
was open, and I see something go flying by right

1335
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,559
down the hallway. No, and I had never seen anything.

1336
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,000
It had only been these hearing things and these other

1337
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:59,000
weird occurrences. But something. It was about waste height. It

1338
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,880
was like a black ball, but it went so fast

1339
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,679
I could barely see it. But if I had to

1340
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,400
say what it was, it was, yeah, like a black

1341
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:12,159
sphere and it just went fly so fast, flying hurtling by,

1342
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,599
and I just I was. I thought I was going

1343
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:17,679
to have a stroke. I was just I can't I

1344
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:20,400
can't handle this. It's bad enough hearing it, but now

1345
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,760
we're going to start seeing things. I don't think I

1346
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,920
can do that, you know, So I just said, just

1347
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,480
in my mind, I said, okay, look, whoever you are,

1348
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,960
whatever you are, you know, I'm glad that you're here,

1349
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,000
but this is too much for me. I can't see

1350
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,159
you at all. You're going to kill me. I'm going

1351
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,920
to die of fright you please, like, don't let me

1352
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,440
ever see you. And then with that, I just said, okay,

1353
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,480
for whatever that's worth, I don't know what's happened, you know.

1354
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,599
I don't know if they can hear me. I don't

1355
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,559
know if they care. But then I just closed my

1356
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,320
eyes and started just washing my whole face. And then

1357
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,519
it stopped. But before it's tough. This was perhaps the

1358
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,599
worst moment of all that I'm kind of breezing right

1359
01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:59,639
over is I closed my eyes and I felt just

1360
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,199
a anger tip right oh, right here, right under my ear,

1361
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,199
like somebody just not poke, not you know, not hard,

1362
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:08,920
but like someone just pressed the tip of their finger

1363
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:10,719
on the side of my neck right under my ear.

1364
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:13,440
And then just took it away and then everything stopped,

1365
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,079
all the noises stopped. I never saw anything again.

1366
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: Did you get any like expert opinion on it or yeah?

1367
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we've had we haven't hired people, but

1368
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,840
we've had friends over and stuff that, you know, for

1369
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,800
one friend who's a medium, another friend who does those

1370
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,719
is kind of psychic and stuff, and they've all they've

1371
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,320
said very kind of eerily similar things that there's an

1372
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,519
older lady who used to work at that house and

1373
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:41,440
she's never left and she's never leaving, and they associate

1374
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,519
her with certain parts of the house. You know, she's

1375
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:46,480
always upstairs. This is where she lives. She looks out

1376
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,599
for things, she looks out for the house.

1377
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's kind of comforting. Actually it's weird.

1378
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: But then there's some bad you know. But then it's

1379
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,960
weird how people will say the same things. You know

1380
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,519
that multiple people say this older lady is here. But

1381
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:02,400
then there's all so they've said, some dark things are here.

1382
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:06,760
You know, there's another different older person who's very dark

1383
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,400
and negative. There's a little boy who's very scared. He's

1384
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:11,519
in this room all the time.

1385
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't like little kids either.

1386
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean, it's definitely still haunted. There's definitely

1387
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,559
stuff that goes on, but I haven't seen anything, and

1388
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:21,840
I can I can live with that, but I guess

1389
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,159
if I ever saw the house, I'm going to have

1390
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:24,599
to disclose, because.

1391
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 4: It's true, what's the frequency right now that you're even

1392
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,760
experiencing anything.

1393
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: It has really died down. It's more of sometimes there's

1394
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,800
a feeling in the living room. Sometimes I'll be sitting

1395
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,239
there by myself in the dark, watching something and I'll

1396
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,159
just feel something off in this we have this library

1397
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:47,360
area and I'll just feel like, oh no, oh, no,

1398
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:51,559
oh no, something is something starting over there. Weird noises,

1399
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,639
weird things that don't make, noises that are not possible,

1400
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,119
that don't can't that noise can't be coming from there.

1401
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:04,440
Does your dog bark? No? No, so things.

1402
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:05,719
Speaker 5: It doesn't have the gift.

1403
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:11,159
Speaker 3: It's more of an energetic thing. And lately it's more

1404
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,760
my husband who has it worse. He has nightmares and

1405
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,119
he sees things that I don't.

1406
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,159
Speaker 1: See, So that's crazy.

1407
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're just kind of done with

1408
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,159
me and they've moved whatever the dark thing has moved

1409
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:23,360
on to.

1410
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 6: Well, we've had a couple of pot experiences. We were

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at her house recording and we started to talk about this,

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and then right as we were talking about it, her screen,

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her computer screen, did it.

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Speaker 5: Just go to like fuzz something? Do you remember that witness?

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Speaker 6: It just turned off and turned on and like you know,

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electrical things. So a couple things like that have happened

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crazy and we all freaked ourselves out. And then we

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were recording at my house not long ago, and they

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followed you it.

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Speaker 3: Was a recent episode. I think it's our Was it

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our mail back?

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Speaker 5: I asked, bag episode that just came out?

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Speaker 6: So my kids were there, but I had put them

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to bed like an hour before, and we were sitting

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recording and next to the office is a bathroom with

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a shower, and all of a sudden I heard the

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water turn on and I was like, that's strange.

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Speaker 5: Are my kids up?

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Speaker 1: What are they doing?

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Speaker 5: And I walked in there.

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Speaker 6: The shower was a full blast Oh, and it's like

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one of those that you have to just like really crank.

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Speaker 3: It's like a sort of comes out of the wall

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and you have to grab it and pull it full

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blast show.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I get so they followed you.

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Speaker 6: That's what I asked, and then I was like, hold on,

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this might be a joke because April Fools was coming up.

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And I walked upstairs thinking that, like, the kids are

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gonna behind, you know, both asleep.

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Speaker 1: Just that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: We've still not had a confirmation of how or why

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that happened. And I walked back in and the first

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thing I said was did they follow you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So then we're, you know, we're patrolling the house like we're,

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you know, just Keystone cops over here to clear the house.

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Speaker 5: Thing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe somebody walked in, And then I thought it was

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definitely Christine's daughter because she was asking me before we

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,399
started recording. She's nine, so she asked me what my

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plans were for April Fool's Day. I thought that was

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,319
a very weird question. April Fool's Day was about a

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week away. What do you mean my plan?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:21,399
Speaker 3: So I thought this had to be her. So I

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kept saying to Lincoln.

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01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 5: Has she confessed? Confessed?

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Speaker 3: She has to have confessed, right. She finally did come clean,

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because I mean, the kid can act, no doubt. I'm

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sure she can pretend to be sleeping right when I

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walk in and sell it pretty well.

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Speaker 5: I asked her.

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Speaker 6: I was like, are you sure you didn't do anything?

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She said, no, Mommy, but that has happened once before.

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,920
And I was like what, and she said, yeah, one

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night you were out and I was sitting here with

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01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,840
our babysitter and that we just heard the shower running.

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Speaker 2: That's insane. You guys, you guys have so many good stories.

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You're gonna have to come back again when Stephanie's yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, I would. I would love it.

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I can't believe I really, I cannot tell you enough

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01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:00,960
how many times I I listened to your show and

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loved it. And between you.

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Speaker 5: Two, that's really sweet.

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01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 3: Just it's just it's a fun hang. It's always a

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good time and I love your stories that you both have,

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,560
and so I'm supremely honored. I can't this is happening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much. Jen, thanks for making this happen.

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And you guys, you're gonna have to come back again

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when Stephanie's here, because we have we didn't even scratch

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the server.

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Speaker 1: You guys got.

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,199
Speaker 2: You're very Our audience is gonna love your show, really,

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01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:29,920
they really are.

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Speaker 1: And it's Keenan and Lake and give you Deja vu

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,920
and when does it come out?

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Speaker 5: Every Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: Every Wednesday.

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01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: Every Wednesday. It's on Spotify, It's on Apple Podcasts. Heard

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you get your pods.

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 6: And then we have a Patreon as well, which we

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01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,079
have bonus and extended content, a lot of interview and

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01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:49,000
we also do video.

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01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:53,039
Speaker 2: Okay, nice, nice, Well, thank you girls so much, and

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01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:54,920
you're going to do our Patreon this week with we.

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,399
Speaker 3: Are another thrill, thank you story.

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Speaker 1: Thank thank you girls so much, and thanks everybody. Thanks Kalen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do some shout outs. We have our good

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friend Robbin's charity, which is Popculture Rescue dot org. They

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understand the times are tough, but even a small donation

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can help them cover the costs of vaccine, food, or

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medical treatments. So your generosity allows them to rescue more

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dogs from overcrowded shelters. Donations are tax deductible and truly

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make a difference, So go to Pupculturescue dot org. Christa Stroup,

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she has a charity. We've talked about it, the Chaseyhleyproject

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dot com. Chase was only twenty one and three months

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from graduating college when he lost him when they lost

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:48,319
him to suicide, and Sarah needed to do something so

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01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:51,800
her grief didn't consume her and went on a mission

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,960
to break the stigma surrounding suicide and Christa's helping them out.

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01:11:56,039 --> 01:12:00,720
So go to Chasehleyproject dot com. Also, Ry Bishop is

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helping her son's new business, the Better Test Prep ACT Guide.

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It's a self paced act prep guide. It was designed

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by a student who recently earned a superscore of thirty

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five on the exam, helping to earn him a full

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01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:20,079
ride to his dream school. It's digital download including in

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01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:24,640
depth guides for each section of the ACT, custom calculator programs,

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,520
a motivation guide, test taking tips, all that good stuff.

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01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:34,319
YouTube playlist. So go to bitt bit dot lie at

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01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:38,199
Better Test Prep and they're also on insta at better

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:43,960
dot test dot prep. A front of the show Stephanie's Friend.

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01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:49,760
She has a medium dot com at Unbecoming Stories. That's

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,119
a friend of Stephanie's that has all these great stories

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01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:57,399
on medium dot com at Unbecoming Stories. We also have

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,680
The Family Skeptical. It's a podcast about raising children without religion.

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01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:05,600
If you're any stripe of non believer, they welcome you

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01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:09,359
with one episode every three weeks. It shouldn't really cut

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01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:13,760
into your people's fcol time. Okay, well that's good. Also

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,319
our girl Kelly from Wilmanfrida. If you're out in the

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01:13:16,359 --> 01:13:19,039
Palm Springs or Palm Desert area, they have the best

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01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:23,560
brunch in town. Basic Becky. That's our girl, just basic

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,159
Beecky dot com. You can go there and you can

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get t shirts, coffee mugs, mousepads, you know the drill.

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Speaker 1: That's our girl.

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01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 2: Also Maureene from Sugar Skull. They have a small bakery

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and gift shop with wedding cakes with like wedding cakes

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in their shop on Koawhi. So if anybody's vacationing there,

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01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,119
you can go check them out at Sugar Skull or

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01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:51,680
you can go to their Instagram at sugar Skull eight

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01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:54,840
eight or check out their website sugar Skull eight one

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eight dot square dot site. We also have Christine Blackworth

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01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:02,920
is now with Waves and Wonder Travel. Her Facebook is

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01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:07,159
Christine Concierge Travel Planner or instas travel with Christine b.

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,960
Her email is Christine at Waves and Wonder Travel.

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Speaker 5: Go to her.

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01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:18,199
Speaker 2: Go go Also Jacob Crowley ACLU he's doing his donation

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01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:21,720
for that. They're doing the Lord's work over there. Go

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to the ACLU website and look at what they're doing.

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01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:29,520
They're doing great work. Thank you, Jacob. And okay, also,

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,319
let's talk about The Get Up Show. This is a

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01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:37,960
great podcast, you know for kids. You know, they have

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01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:40,840
their morning routine, their variet, so they can listen to

1554
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,159
their podcasts well they get ready for school. It gets

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01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:48,439
them from snooze to shoes. The podcast incorporates yoga, music,

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01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,159
jokes and they have a seven and nine year old

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01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:53,479
and they love to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: So check them out.

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Speaker 2: Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and kids pod or follow

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on Instagram at The Get Up Show podcast. Fern Candle

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our girl, Kelsey, We've told you we have her candles.

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They are the best. They're soy candles. They have beautiful

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flavors and smells like lavender, sandalwood and soy is nice

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01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,039
because it takes it doesn't it doesn't burn the candle

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01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:24,279
out so quickly. So you can check her out at

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ferncandle dot com. Also on Insta at Ferncandle. And lastly,

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01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,520
but not least, we have Adam Lerner. If you need

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a car broker, Adam's got a Car dot com. His

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phone numbers three one oh nine nine eight seven zero

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four eight. He's our car broker. Also Laura Wingfeld OSCAR

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Queer OSCAR Queer Youth Resort Okay, Laura Wingfeld OSCAR Queer

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Youth Resource in Vancouver, Washington. They've lost resources and they

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could use our help. You can go to q y

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RC Vancouver, WA dot org. And this is Laura's bff

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01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:07,760
from college, so let's get that. Let's go check them

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,319
out and see what they're doing and help them out.

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,560
So thank you guys. Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 1: You're a parent.

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01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:20,359
Speaker 3: Now, don't up. It's good

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Speaker 5: Letting go