Speaker 1: Made a decision.
Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to for crying out loud. We have
a lot going on on today's show, lots of things
happening behind the scene. Stephanie unfortunately sick this morning. She
Lbie had a I guess a bad sore throat cold
over the weekend. She got that from her daughter. So
she was really looking forward to being here today because
we have a special special guest in studio, which we
talked about a couple weeks ago. I know we talked
about you girls on Patreon, but we have the girls
from Keenan and Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, no one can say the name of our show
because it's too long, which is.
Speaker 2: Let me go that again. The girls in studio are
from Keenan and Lacan give You Deja Vu, which I
like that name. It's hard to type it when you're
going like the girls from Keenan and Lincoln give you
day javou.
Speaker 1: That's the hard part. But other than that, I think
it's it tells basically sorry.
Speaker 2: And I also for we have Jennifer and studio Mike
pal who introduced me to their to their show.
Speaker 4: And it's Stacy Keenan and Christine.
Speaker 2: Yes yes, and these you girls do. I guess it's
a recap show because you guys were on step by Step,
which kind of brought us back together my ex husband
and I when we broke up.
Speaker 5: That show brought you back together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we loved Friday Night ABC and it was
like step yeah, t g if step by Step, uh
boy meets World those Yeah, we would love. We watched
that and we kind of got back together based on
you guys as show. So we watched it back in
the day.
Speaker 6: No one's ever told us that, no, never.
Speaker 2: It brought us back together and then we got married. Yeah,
so welcome everybody in studio here.
Speaker 1: You girls so excited.
Speaker 3: I have listened to this show for ever. I remember
when the kids were babies. Really when it was when
you were in the trenches, as we would say, for years,
for so long. So I feel like I know you.
You know, it's weird to see you kind of because
I'm just so used to hearing your voice. So I'm
sad to not meet Stephanie, but it's really fun to.
Speaker 2: Be Yeah, she's really because I got to come back. Then, Yes,
they you should because she did. She was listening to
your show and she was really excited to me, you guys,
because you guys, you do a recap of your show,
but you also have great stories about coming of age
in Hollywood because you guys are so young at the
time and now.
Speaker 5: It was a time like kind of before.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it's like to grow up in
the limelight now, but back then there was no Instagram,
there was no paparazzi even right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which just there was yeah, no Internet, no cell phone,
so you you kind of still had some privacy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't I.
Speaker 3: Can't imagine doing it now. I don't think I could
do it now.
Speaker 5: You could add a lot of dumb shit, right, and
we did.
Speaker 2: And you tell the stories and it's the deja vu part,
which is great too, because it does bring you back
to like that, that nostalgic era of you know, even
if you didn't grow up in Hollywood. The stories he
tells everybody's story, everybody USA high school, even though they
weren't on set. But you know, people can relate, and
you guys have a good way of telling the story
that these stories are hilarious. There's a couple on the
top of my head that I want to ask about.
Speaker 1: But first, yeah, well, no.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say too that everybody, everyone that
listens to your show, like, guys, go listen to their podcast,
even if you didn't watch step by Step back in
the day or weren't a fan, because first off, not
all recap shows are like, they're not all enjoyable, not.
Speaker 1: Their recaps, other recaps. Because I was just saying, yeah.
Speaker 4: You're just watching Sopranos for the first time and trying
to listen to Michael Imperial and Bacala's pod like a
show that I loved and could not get through one
episode because it you know. But so to that end,
everyone that likes your show is going to love this
show because your chemistry is so good. You get You're delightful,
delightful to listen to your banter, your little stories. You
speak very coherently, eloquently, unlike me when I listen to
anything I've said back, like other podcast episodes I've done,
I'm like, oh my God, like like like like like
and you.
Speaker 5: Guys, just it's taking time.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's an art for so thank you so
much for saying that I'm dead. I will never recover
from what you've just said, but I'm going to pretend
that everything's fine. I'm just gonna act normal and just
continue this station right now. But yes, it was a struggle.
We had the ums and the likes. Especially season one,
we were on a quest and a struggle, you know,
to get rid of that. And it still is a struggle.
And yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 6: I figured how to recap with telling enough of the
story for the people that really want to go through
the story, but also make it succinct and also have
some commentary that and sometimes we'll go straight into a
story that, oh, this reminded me of the time.
Speaker 5: Do you remember we were filming this.
Speaker 6: And so and so to kind of weave those stories
in and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's great, that's great formula.
Speaker 4: Because yeah, like all that, I just love hearing the
nineties fashion stuff. So many things that I forgot about.
Speaker 2: The little Suzanne Semmer walks in with the emerald green
uh jumpsuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, her nylons.
Speaker 6: Right, you cannot watch that show and now and and
see her and not be just bowled over by some
of the fashion choices.
Speaker 5: Right, It's really a moment in time.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that has been a thing on the show too.
On the podcast, is trying to figure out because some
of the comments. You know, I'm I have not been
on social media until doing this podcast, and I thought
it was going to be a never ending hate parade
because that's all I heard. I just thought every comment
was going to be these bitches are stupid? Who cares
about these hasbands? And they're stupid show from a million
years ago. And it's been so much more positive than
I ever could have dreamed. But there's a lot of
debate about the fashion commentaries. Some people really don't like
it and they think it's boring and stupid and get
get back to the recap or get back to the
story or why everybody talking about And the same with
the recaps, you know, sometimes they're too long or they're
too short or not, you know, and we've tried all
different ways and then we get the opposite comments. You know,
well now the recap is too short. Well now the
recap's too long. Yeah, So I guess we'll always be
trying to tinker with that and get it to be
just So.
Speaker 1: Let's say hi to our peeps.
Speaker 2: I'm doing it this week. Stephanie's out. Let's say I
had a dick. He's still frolicking and Kelly is still
still oohlah lying, and Katie Murphy is rolling on E
and Nicky still calling her girls. Elizabeth Williamson, we love
all your kids. Rita Bassiet you know they are all
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Gabrielle Fonseka and Missy Schaeffer, Gaby and Missy those bitches.
Is Shan vosh Bee that hot ass. Rebecca Lubin. You're
so cute. Kelly Brandt, We love you. You take us anywhere.
Alicia Escalante, Leslie stop with the coughing, Aaron Sanchez, Jennifer falls.
Get up, Sandra, it's not even easy being green Athena,
get insured.
Speaker 1: We love your makeup.
Speaker 2: Stephanie's a stinker Rinker and Ashley is so chic. Okay,
how long have you girls been doing the podcast that
you guys do? You're in season You're gonna start season three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just finished airing season two. We're in the
middle of our seasons which were doing some fun bonus content.
We actually are in the middle of airing some episodes
where we decided in our in our sort of hiatus,
that we would watch each other's work that wasn't step
by step and then do a full recap on some
of the other work that we had never seen from
each other. Interesting commentary, we've commentary, so and they ended
up because they're films, they end up being two parters.
Speaker 5: So of course, Stacy was in a movie called Lisa.
Speaker 1: I know that movie.
Speaker 6: Everyone, Every young girl knows that movie.
Speaker 3: It's like a serial killer thriller. This movie.
Speaker 6: When I watched it again, now is I remember watching
it as a kid. When I watched it as an adult,
I was like, this is terrifying. Everything she's doing is terrifying.
Speaker 4: I have a daughter, I was gonna say, especially if
you have kids, and I was like, I have to
show her this movie.
Speaker 6: This is what happens when you grank call people.
Speaker 5: This is why the.
Speaker 4: Basis is this teenage girl basically starts calling this grown
man on the phone and like talking and pretending that she.
Speaker 6: And he's a freaking serial killer and he's a serial
killer and spoiler alert, they almost die, right.
Speaker 3: Because her mom's stripped and won't let her date. So
she has this fantasy life, right. So we're recapping Lisa,
and then we Laken is recapping Lisa with my commentary,
and then I'm recapping the Hotty in The Naughty, which
is Lacan's film with Paris Hilton Nicole. They put all
these prosthetics on her to make her the Naughty, and
there's staying yeah, and so she's next to this you know,
vision of beauty played by Paris Hilton and this man
who's been in love with Harris's character his whole life.
It has to deal with the Natulus films question.
Speaker 1: I gotta check those both of them.
Speaker 5: If you do, you'll be the one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, no, no, no no, but you will get
to see Laken covered in hair and moles, moles and
warts or a bald cap.
Speaker 1: So did they really have to go when they do
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: Did they have to go so over the top that
she's got warts and ship.
Speaker 1: And then people really yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this movie is like it was like kind of
on the I feel like the tail end of the
really like the teen Comedies had sort of happened, and
now we were just in like kind of gross out comedy.
And yeah, by the time it came out, people.
Speaker 1: Were sort of like, what is this right?
Speaker 3: She even had fake teeth going.
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet I didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked it. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: So how old were you girls when you started step
by Steph?
Speaker 3: Like, which I was sixteen?
Speaker 5: I think I was twelve?
Speaker 1: Wowteen? Or that so young?
Speaker 6: Fifteen?
Speaker 5: I think you were fIF Did you have your license?
Speaker 3: No? No? Yeah, okay, I must have been fifteen. It's
weird that I don't remember this on the top of
my head. I don't remember a lot of things, and
I never watched the show, so when I see the show,
it brings a lot of stuff back. But yeah, I
was fifteen. Yeah, right, And we're also not that far
apart in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you you obviously you had to have
a teacher on set?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Was that was that fun or weird? Or did you
hate missing out on school?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, we're good, he'll know.
Speaker 6: I mean there were certain things because I was twelve
and I grew up in Atlanta, so I would I
got the I have a very strange story of how
I got the show. But anyway, I basically came out
for an audition, booked a show, and although I'd been
working in Atlanta, I became like the next seven years
of my life. So I was constantly going back and
forth and sort of splitting my time. So as I
got into like high school, there were things, you know,
It's like, oh, you missed that party, you missed that dance.
Speaker 5: You can't be on the track team.
Speaker 6: Or the cheerleader or whatever because I wasn't there enough.
So there were certain things like I would cry when
we would go to Atlanta because.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, Oh, I got all my friends from
acting class. I'm going to miss them, my Mike as castmates.
And then I would cry when i'd have to come
back because I'd be like, oh, I'm never gonna see.
Speaker 1: That right, right, right, And it.
Speaker 3: Was I loved it. I loved having a studio teacher.
You know, we've talked about that on our podcast. It's
such a cool relationship because you have I always had
female studio teachers, so it's like you have a mom
type of figure who's an adult and is kind of
an authority figure, but that you're so close because you're
working together one on one or almost one on one
our teacher had me and Angela Watson, who played my
sister Karen. It was just us. So we were so
always so close with our tutor and it was such
a cool relationship. And there were times where we would
just not do schoolwork because someone was just melting down
over something and we'd be sitting in a bean bag
chair in the school room and our tutor was just
having to you know, get everyone, you know, just talk
through it and give advice and it was okay. I
loved having that relationship. It was so cool to have
a grown up woman, you know, not some kids, some
you know, teenager or whatever, but like a full adult
to who's not your mom to talk about stuff with
or ask questions. And I mean it's just the coolest.
I wish everybody I know could have that relationship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really nice, really close to mine too.
Speaker 6: We were done with the show, she and I traveled
to Italy together. You're kidding, Yeah, for like ten days.
We went to Rome, Florence, and Venice and she took
me everywhere. I mean we went to all the sites
where we saw all the historical things and then we
go have like I was eighteen and to go off
on you know that kind of adventure with my tutor. Again,
it wasn't my mom, but it was like a.
Speaker 5: An authority figure that I was friends with.
Speaker 6: It was amazing and then we had like a little
prosecco and it was cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're incredible people. We've talked about that on our
podcast too, that you know, just people out there across
the country. It's such a cool job because you're a
teacher for this person, this young person. You're watching out
for their well being. On set, you're they're social worker
as well. You're enforcing all the union rules and stuff,
and it's such a You get to have such a
cool relationship with our kid and that job.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: But it must have been tough though, because you're doing
you're in production, so you have the tutor there while
you're in production. But then when you're not in production,
you have to go back to regular school.
Speaker 5: Right, sucked? I hate?
Speaker 1: And what did your peers?
Speaker 2: I know you talked about this on your show with
I think you had a guest talking about but what
was it like like when you're at the school and
you're on television and the other students it was it?
Speaker 1: Were they fine?
Speaker 3: My experience sucked because I'm here, living here. I went
to Notre Dame right here in the valley in Sherman Oaks,
and all these kids, you know, their their parents are
either makeup or here, people tap people, producers, directors. They
don't give a shit. They're not impressed and if anything,
they want you to know that that you ain't shit,
you know. So it was very clear, like, don't think
that you're like the pretty girl or the popular or
just no, you know, we don't care. And if anything,
this embarrassing thing that you're involved with that we can
all see whenever we want to and make fun of,
there is a liability for you, and you know, make
sure you're aware of that. Whereas you were in Atlanta, right, I.
Speaker 6: Was in Atlanta, And I was also on a TV
show when I was twelve years old that was geared
towards children and families. So I couldn't have been more
in the zeitgeist of what everyone was watching. And it
wasn't normal, you know. I came back after filming the
pilot and you know, did a bunch of episodes and
I had to start seventh grade at this brand new
school and the show had already started airing. Wow, So
I came in and I don't know, September, and I'd
already filmed maybe four or five episodes and it just
started airing, and everybody kind of.
Speaker 5: Knew about me.
Speaker 6: And I remember going to my locker in seventh grade
and I'm like putting my stuff away and I turn
around and it's just a crowd of just crowd around
me and they're all asking me, like question after question
after question.
Speaker 5: I mean, and this went on for weeks.
Speaker 1: Are you rich?
Speaker 5: Is Patrick Duffy your real dad?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: There's so many things, you know?
Speaker 6: And finally, like teachers would have to like break it up.
Speaker 5: So it was weird. It was like unwanted attention. But
also it didn't make you. Yeah, what didn't make you cool?
If anything?
Speaker 6: You had to really temper like, I don't think I'm
any I just want.
Speaker 5: To be like everyone else, you know. Yes, so it
was a little awkward.
Speaker 1: And how old you guys? You did it until? What
age was?
Speaker 3: In my early twenties?
Speaker 5: I was nineteen, so I was in my first year
of college. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good run, a.
Speaker 5: Good run even shunk of adolescence.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't know, are we allowed to cuss on
your show. Yeah, okay, we bleep ourselves on our own show,
and then I just came and cuss on your show.
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you were on on our show.
Totally fine, totally fine. But now, so you guys have
your own careers as adults and you're a district attorney.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah I was. I left the DA's office in June, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Riverside County.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so I'll tell you so. Yeah, I quit
the business. I went to law school. I graduated law
school in twenty thirteen. I went to law school to
be a DA. That was the only thing that I
wanted to do. That was the only kind of law
I was interested to do.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, do it.
Speaker 3: It's doable.
Speaker 2: Stephanie and I always talk about, you know, we should
be We would be great detectives, we would be great doctors.
Speaker 1: Doctors.
Speaker 3: Well, Stephanie is a doctor. Yeah, she actually she is
an actual MD.
Speaker 1: Yes, she just didn't finish, well right now you finished?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went to law school here in LA
and then the lada's office was not hiring at that time,
but Riverside was, So I lived in La and I
worked in Riverside. Oh god crazy if yeah, if you're
not from southern California, that is seventy five miles each way.
So I drove to Riverside every day.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So because it was you know, do you want to
be a DA or do you not? If you do,
you're going to have to drive, you.
Speaker 5: Know, So get hooked on a podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh podcasts, Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I was there for
three about three years, and then I came over to
La DA. So all together, I was a DA for
about ten and a half years. So I'm still a prosecutor,
I'm just no longer at the DA's office.
Speaker 4: Wait, so what does that mean if you're a prosecutor
but not at the das. So I'm a prosecutor at
a different agency now, So you can be a prosecutor
for a city, for a county, for the state, for
the Feds.
Speaker 3: You know, there's even the Solicitor General's office. There's different
prosecutorial agencies. I just left the DA's office for a
different agency.
Speaker 5: I see.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've got a lot of stories.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was a wow.
Speaker 6: I feel like half our podcast is a little bit
about like crime too, so we love of your job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has. It has changed my brain. I think
doing that job, I think my brain is a different
shape than it used to be because you know, we
just I mean, it's a very cool vibe. Actually, I
think you would like that about it. The DA's office,
it's like being in theater. You know, there's so much camaraderie,
and everybody is in the trenches and just fighting it out.
You know, you got judges coming for you, you got
defense attorneys coming after you, you have defendants coming after you.
In some cases, you have your victims coming after you.
It's just it's a brawl all day. And then in
my case, you know, you go upstairs to the DA's
office and everybody it's kind of like backstage, you know,
everyone's kind of telling stories and decompressing, and Judge so
and so said this, and I can't believe Judge. You
know this other person did that, and you know whatever,
the defendant got remanded and he passed out and he
had a seizure, and then a fight broke out, and
it's just it's he is chaos. And that's just not
even what's happening in the cases. What happens in the
cases is. I mean, I will I'm forever changed. I
bet it's tattooed onto my brain because you just, you know,
we I don't know. I feel like we live in
the underbelly in that job, and yeah, kind of never
get over it.
Speaker 6: I first started recording, she was still working for the
DA's office, and there was one day where we were
just like chatting about you know, okay, and we'll record
on this day, and she's like, great, great, Right.
Speaker 5: I've got to go. I've got to get to the Morgue.
Speaker 6: Oh, I've gotta go look at some bodies and just
get to the more flatter analysis.
Speaker 5: God, I go home and make macaroni and cheese.
Speaker 3: I didn't look at anybody's that day, but I would
have to go the More. Quite often. You went to
the Morgue on a regular basis. It's a cool place
here in La. It's in the old General Hospital. They
used to have killer merch, but they closed down their
Really I'm so bombed. Yeah wait, killer merch as in
cool merch or yes, yes, sorry, going.
Speaker 6: To the More to get merched, That's what I want
to know.
Speaker 3: So the La County Coroner's Office used to have a
really cool online merch store, and they have fun. They
had a good sense of humor about it. I have
a little motto, it's a like a skeleton, but he's
dressed like Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, that's kind of that's cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, we're gonna get to some more.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just scratched a surface because I got
questions for both of you about other things, including one
of you, uh being having a friendship with.
Speaker 1: Alison mac. Yes, so let's take a really quick break.
We'll be back.
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Speaker 1: So the coroner has a march department, which I would
never have thought.
Speaker 3: They closed it down. I'm so disappointed. It was very cool,
but I'm sure it's available on eBay, subway you can
find it. I got a T shirt and a magnet
that I treasure to this day.
Speaker 5: What does your T shirt say it had?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I just know that it's really cool.
It was cool enough that I had it. Hemmed, wow,
I can't sound an overly long tea and I'm sure yeah.
Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, And you know, Jen was telling me
that there is this funny story about you in the
courtroom and the.
Speaker 3: Opposition being recognized.
Speaker 1: The other attorney was dropping. Can you tell about tell
us that?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, this is so funny.
Speaker 3: This was one of my first jury trials that I
ever did. It was out in Riverside County. It was
a standard DUI trial and this kid, i'll call him
a kid. I mean, he was very young, new defense
attorney and he was just somebody. He was working for
a private attorney, you know, probably as you know, the
appearance guy or whatever. So anyway, they let him do
this trial, I think because it was just a bit
you know whatever. It's it's a misdemeanor d uy. So
then right away this kid he recognizes me and I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever,
you know. I I don't want to get too much
into it with him. But then he does his opening
and he start his he makes his theme, because really,
in an opening and in a closing argument, you're supposed
to have a theme, right, And he made his theme
step by step, and so he's going as he's going
through his argument, well, it's not supposed to be an argument,
that's supposed to be an opening statement. But whatever, he's saying, Well,
step by step, you're going to see how this investigation
falls apart, and step by step you're going to see
how the police, you know, did this wrong and did
that wrong. And step by step, as we go along
and you look at the evidence, you're gonna see that
the evidence shows that my client was not under the influenced.
Speaker 1: That night or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he kept dropping.
Speaker 1: What's the purpose of that though, like so.
Speaker 6: That someone would throw recognize her and the whole trial
would be a mistrial.
Speaker 2: I really, I don't know, just to get in your
head and get under your skin, or I think he
was just being kind of funny and just yeah, I
kind of like nudging me or something. But oh my gosh,
that's so and so now you're you're you do directing.
Now you do a lot of Uh yeah, so I
I Christine, I'm talking to you.
Speaker 5: Yes, I So.
Speaker 6: I transitioned my career about ten years ago. I started
choreographing for film and television, and I had a dance background,
and I sort of just fell into it. It was kind
of like my side hustle when I was an actor,
so I was somehow I was doing it for theater.
I had worked on a couple of films. My name
kind of got passed around through line producers in eighties
and such, and so then I just found myself working
on a lot of TV shows and I really enjoyed it.
I I liked being behind the camera. At the same time,
I was producing and trying to sell.
Speaker 5: Content and writing content, you know, trying to just be
a real self starter.
Speaker 6: And it was sort of around that time that I
was sitting I was working on a show called The Goldbergs,
which I worked on for about ten years for ABC,
and had this like epiphany of oh my god, like,
why am I not doing that job?
Speaker 5: Why am I not directing this show? I feel like
that is actually what I'm meant to be doing.
Speaker 6: When you've been around something for so long, you know
so much through osmosis.
Speaker 5: And I was always the actor too that I found
myself constantly.
Speaker 6: Like pouring over call sheets. I liked being on set.
I liked watching what everyone was doing. I like knowing
everyone's jobs. And then I would get quite annoyed when
I couldn't figure out why the director was doing this
or that, and I'd be like, you know, we only
have another hour, Like what is he doing?
Speaker 5: It's only another hour to lunch. He's not gonna get
this turn around like.
Speaker 6: And then I became the person that was armchair quarterbacking
no it likes that.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I just have to go do
that job.
Speaker 1: So it was easy to just transition into you do
you have to?
Speaker 2: It was so hard time, Right, you have to learn
how to edit to be a director or somewhat.
Speaker 6: But I mean what you I mean, Yes, continuity and
understanding angles and all of that is important, but the
real thing is getting people to trust you with a
lot of money, because time is money, as you know.
So it's it's like that thing where people will say, well,
you've never done it, so you don't know how to
do it. I'm like well, if I never get to
do it, I can't show you that I can. So
I just started directing everything I could. I was directing
music videos and short films and my friend's web series
and like, I was doing everything I could for about
five years, and I was in at the time, there
was a lot of There were several organizations that were
really trying to promote women in the industry because we
still only make up about nineteen percent of all directors,
and now they say that women are no longer considered
I guess a minority group, which I think is kind
of of a nightmare. But there's a lot of people
that are underrepresented and in that job.
Speaker 5: But anyway, and just it.
Speaker 6: Took a really long time, and finally, I think it
was because i'd been working on the Goldbergs for at
that point six years. Several of the castmates found out
that I wanted to do that, and they liked me,
and they liked working with me, and I think I
had built enough trust that the advocacy started to flow upward,
and finally I got my first one in two thousand
and eighteen.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that's good for you.
Speaker 5: So it took a while.
Speaker 2: I always found directing to be interesting, like it seemed
like it would be a fun job if you know
what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you have to like puzzles.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to like logistics, forethought and puzzles, which
I do.
Speaker 5: I like all of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's scary because, as you know, a set is
kind of like a pack. You know, they're already cohesive,
they have their clicks, they have their vibe, their own culture.
And then on a show like like The Goldbergs, I
would imagine, like most shows, the directors come and go,
and if everyone decides they don't like you or that you're.
Speaker 5: Not good or that you're slow or whatever, they don't
have badly.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. And back in my day in the industry,
I felt like the female directors were just not non
existent barely any and when they showed up, everybody started
with an attitude. The default was a problem in an attitude,
and then maybe you dial back from that if this
person proves themselves kind of like guilty until proven competent
or totally right.
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense getting people to trust you,
because that's probably like you know, first step and are
you fun and are you fun?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really.
Speaker 6: I mean, especially when you get on a set where
people have been doing this job.
Speaker 5: For a while, they just want to have fun.
Speaker 6: They don't want someone coming in and being all nervous
and telling you where to go.
Speaker 5: And you know, you gotta gotta.
Speaker 2: Girls are fun, you know. She was just Chack was
telling me this crazy story. Could I one about the
cell phone?
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh oh that at the movie.
Speaker 3: That's a stacy story. Another another one where I will
be cringing for the rest of my entire life. It
is the it is the lifelong cringe. Yeah, that story.
Speaker 2: Because I want our audience to hear you guys, you
know stories, and get a flavor of what your show
is like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well I went to Sundance.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we couldn't ask.
Speaker 1: The film the film.
Speaker 5: We couldn't.
Speaker 3: Oh god, we're having a total brain It was Sundance.
It was a time when cell phones were not yet ubiquitous.
Some people not for you, excuse me, now, look, I
think that it was two thousand and six.
Speaker 5: I think that's late.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, well, anyhow, I did not have a cell
phone at the time. Okay, it was the day of
the flip phone. That was the era that we were in.
These were not smartphones, you know, it was like that.
So I decided to borrow a phone from someone to
take to Sundance because I was going by myself and
so and I had a lot of friends that we're
going to be there, but you know, you got to
find people and meet up with people. And where are
we going.
Speaker 5: Back to get a page? Yeah, yeah, just making sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, No, I didn't have a page of it
by then. Okay, anyway, so I borrow I don't know
who let let me use their cell phone. It must
have been my boyfriend at the time, don't anyway, So
I have this phone. So I go to see a
documentary which I'm very excited about, which is The Filth
and the Fury, which is a great doc by the way,
if you haven't seen it, it's the story of the
sex Pistols. Right, because my favorite movie growing up my
best friend Devin, and I said, Nancy.
Speaker 1: If I love that movie too, that.
Speaker 3: Movie is is a masterpiece. It is a mass piece. Yes,
it punishes you, It will punish you over and over again.
It's so long, but I just I love it and
as a kid, the whole like doomed romance anyway, So
this is the true story now of the sex pistol.
So I'm there, I'm at the and this is the
premiere of the doc. It's not just a showing of
the documentary. It is the premiere. So everybody's there, cast crew,
you know, here's the premiere at sun Dance. I'm like
thrilled to death, of course. So you know, we're in
the showing of the of the doc and it's great,
and we're at this really really poignant moment in the
movie because this is where Sid Vicious, you know, he's
addicted to heroine. His addiction is really bad. And Johnny
Rotten is on screen, you know, on a straight to
camera kind of interview thing, talking about Sid, you know,
his friend. It's terrible. And so now Sid has, you know,
died due to his addiction. He overdosed, and you know
he's talking about how the music industry, you know, they
could have helped him more, but they liked him addicted.
And it's so painful, it's so poignant, and you know,
he's crying on screen about the loss of his friend,
and this freaking phone starts ringing and it is ringing,
so loud it is. I mean, this is a two
thousand and six flip phone that is you know.
Speaker 1: That kind of.
Speaker 3: Ring in the theater, and it is completely silent, completely dark,
and I am just wrestling with this thing. I barely
know how to use it, right, I am apoplectic trying
to turn this thing off, pressing every button. I'm in
the middle. I'm in the middle of this row, so
I would have to climb over twelve people to the right,
twenty people to the left. I still remember the guy
who was sitting directly to my right, who was a
guy in his thirties with a beard, and he if
looks I mean, he was looking at me like he
would have melted. I fed off of my body with
a look. He was like, and I'm like, I'm trying
to turn I'm doing everything. I could not get it off,
so it rang until it stopped.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 3: And the worst part was that Johnny Rotten was sitting
directly behind me, which I knew, and it's Johnny Rotten.
Speaker 1: It's did you try to like shove it in your purse?
Speaker 3: I tried everything, but it was so loud.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would have tried. Yeah, it was breaking.
Speaker 3: So I thought Johnny Rotten was just going to reach
over and strangle me, you know, and then he got up.
They called him up on stage afterwards. And this is
where I thought, Okay, well, if I didn't get you know,
attacked by this audience forming a mob and just you know,
running me out of here on a rail, now, I'm
just gonna get dunked on by Johnny Rotten in front
of this entire theater full of angry people. So I
thought for sure he was going to.
Speaker 5: Be like whatever, fuck.
Speaker 3: Whatever, And thankfully he didn't. He seemed to have chilled
out considerably with age at that time. Thank god you
shared my life.
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 4: They didn't call back during the show, did they?
Speaker 5: During the Who the hell called you? Were you so mad?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?
Speaker 3: If if I blocked it out, I can't can be
traumatized that happens.
Speaker 5: It probably wasn't even for you.
Speaker 6: You borrow the phone someone else.
Speaker 3: Your prescription is ready.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's crazy. I love that story. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: And and you were, oh, yeah, you know you were
going to ask about Alison.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was, but I wanted to ask before I
was going to get to that after the next break.
But any like fun stories like from the set that
you can think of that. I mean, what was it
like with Suzanne Summers as your you know mom?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And and uh and is Patrick Duffy really your dad?
Speaker 5: Patrick?
Speaker 6: I wish sometimes that you were actually blood related. I
do have a wonderful father. But he he really he
would sign everything Dad number.
Speaker 5: Two and still does.
Speaker 6: And we just saw him right around Christmas. And I
mean that man is just all of the earth. I
just I adore him so much. She has got the
biggest heart, the best memory, the most interesting life.
Speaker 5: And creative career. He was a wonderful patriarch of Verse said.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's great.
Speaker 3: Suzanne too, is just the coolest, coolest lady. You know people,
you know, when the show was on, if somebody would
recognize me, they'd want to know what Suzanne is like.
And I think people thought she was kind of ditzy
or dinghy or something because of her character in Three's Company.
She was not like that at all. She was a
brilliant business person. But aside from that, she does a
very warm, very funny, very open, very elegant, very relaxed. Yeah,
very glamorous too.
Speaker 6: But also very you know, just so, but also very
down to earth, like could wear jeans and boots and turquoise,
and that was kind of her vibe. A lot of
times she'd be on set and we'd just be working,
you know, doing the scenes, but was also just I
mean I just remember as a twelve year old, thirteen
year old girl, I would I would just stare at
her like everything from.
Speaker 5: Like oh my god, her hair, look at her nails,
look at her you know.
Speaker 3: I mean she was perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean she was so healthy too.
Speaker 2: I mean she kept her her her health really well
for so long. She had i mean, her workout stuff.
She just it's like she had the fountain of youth.
There's like she had some secret alexa or something.
Speaker 5: I mean, she was really one of the first aging yeah.
Speaker 6: When you know, now all celebrities have cookbooks, right, but
she started sort of this this it wasn't even a diet.
It was more of like a lifestyle but great lose weight. Yeah,
And she had three cookbooks and they were all rooted
in real food and sort of combining certain carbohydrates and
proteins and fats. So it wasn't like Atkins, but it
was it was just more of like a.
Speaker 5: Moderate way of eating.
Speaker 6: But the recipes were amazing. Because I still cook from
that cookbook. It basically taught me how to cook when
I was seventeen because I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Did she get that?
Speaker 5: It's a great She was an amazing cook foundation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean she was just a joyful person. Maybe
that's why she always, you know, seems so youthful because
she really was, yeah, joyful and happy and had a
great marriage Patrick as well. Yeah, they both had these
really long term marriages. Both of them married someone that
was ten years older than them, which I thought was
pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So I always loved, you know, because my parents were divorced.
Everything was a disaster, you know. So I loved seeing
these for all those years, getting to grow up with
their marriages, seeing Suzanne and her husband Alan and Patrick
and his wife Carlin, and because they were just you know, happy,
and they lived well, and they you know, did cool
stuff and traveled and enjoyed life.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Was there anybody that was that turned out to be
troubled after from your show? Because you know, see these kids,
these young kids that are in Hollywood that can end up.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I think everybody had you know, some moment.
There were definitely some moments like but you know, there
was some stuff with Brandon Call and he he was
sort of met. People know this, but he was met
at the end of some road rage violence. It could
have gotten very very scary.
Speaker 5: And well he got shot, right he did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, in a road rage incident that was during the.
Speaker 5: Show, during the show.
Speaker 3: It was a miracle that he survived.
Speaker 6: Honestly, And I don't think it had anything to do
with fame. I don't think the person even knew who
he was.
Speaker 5: Quite frankly, they.
Speaker 3: Just didn't like the way he drove one time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys, you girls are proof that just
because you're an actor as a child doesn't mean you
have to go off the rails later in life.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just there's just some people that I don't know
how to handle it and can't handle it, and those
unfortunately get the headline to get all the stories and
then get the attention.
Speaker 1: But look at you guys, I mean.
Speaker 5: Look at us in a gutter.
Speaker 6: No, but I do think what you're saying, like, I
think there are you know, there's all kinds of personality
types and then imagine giving a certain personality type, a
lot of fame, a lot of money, and a lot
of maybe a puffed.
Speaker 3: Attention, also pressure.
Speaker 6: But then at some point, sure all of that might
just go away, right, and then what is your you know,
what is your level of self worth or what have you? You know,
how do you pivot into a different career or what
do you do next? And if you don't really have
guiding lights in your life, I think get very challenging.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 3: And the industry is terrible, I think. I mean, I know,
I mean, I love the creativity and the culture of
the industry, but in terms of the other part of it,
which is not creating culture, but the internal culture of
the industry, I find to be rotten, en you know,
I just do. And I haven't had the worst experiences,
I you know, I think I've had a pretty average
experience except for Step by step. I think that was
a charmed We lived in a charmed, magical world because
they were the nicest people. We had nice producers. They
worked only with nice people. They didn't really tollerate, you know,
I don't think they would have tolerated anything less. They
treated the kids great, you know, whatever we needed for
our education everything like that. So we lived in this.
You know, we were totally within the industry but very
much safe from it. For that period of time.
Speaker 6: There was no yelling, there was no screaming, There was
no and there was a lot of I mean, those
producers really wanted us to still be kids. So when
something would come up and you'd say, oh, you know,
I have this this big thing that I want to
try to go do, they would move heaven and earth
to try to make it happy.
Speaker 1: Right, it's nice, it's good to hear. Good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, oh, you need a Latin tutor. Absolutely,
you need a new computer for the school room. Yes,
you had a special other tutor for this. Great, they mean, yeah,
you know your pe requirement will hire.
Speaker 1: They set it up, you know, for success.
Speaker 5: For you guys.
Speaker 1: They did this is important.
Speaker 6: I mean they flew me home every three weeks so
that I could go back to my real school.
Speaker 1: That's nice, that's really cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some I think some projects exploit kids. They did not
exploit us. They nurtured us and took care of us
and cared about us.
Speaker 1: That's nice. All right.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know if you guys know,
but Stephanie was approached think over Facebook.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your's Twitter something maybe.
Speaker 2: With Twitter, Twitter or Facebook. I think it was Facebook,
but years ago. And wanted to get together with Stephanie
and take her to like lunch.
Speaker 5: And tell her about her women's group Brandes.
Speaker 2: To tell her about this like in women's empowering group
that she's a part of.
Speaker 1: And Stephanie was like, yeah, no, I damn good.
Speaker 5: I think that she was started.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, so she was like this close to getting
you know, sucked into a cult.
Speaker 3: And to having a brandy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, did you guys both know her back in the
day or you did not know?
Speaker 5: Okay, but you were going to go yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Alison was in my acting class. I was
in an acting class here in the Valley that was
Young Actor Space that was taught by Diane Harden, who
was also a manager, and Diane, like she had in
the in in her heyday, was you know all that,
she had Molly Ringwald, she had Leonardo DiCaprio, Toby McGuire.
At the time I was there, it was like Lindsay Price,
Nicole tom Gosh, who Alison Mack. I mean, it was
just sort of this group of young actors, all of
us kind of working in our various you know, realms,
And it was an amazing class And it was such
a great community for me because I didn't have friends here,
so now I had all these like awesome actor friends.
So Allison and I knew each other when we were young.
I mean, I think she might have.
Speaker 5: Been fourteen, wow, fourteen or.
Speaker 6: Fifteen when we were in class together. She was several
years younger than me, so I think she was sixteen.
I was maybe nineteen. The show had ended. There was
a show called Opposite of Sex. It starred Chris Evans
and Milo Ventimiglia and some other folks. And I was
in the pilot episode and I think I recurred in
like episode three or something. Alison was cast as a
series regular. I think it only went maybe six episodes,
six or twelve something like that. And it was like
one of those young teen dramatis on CW. And now
Alison I had been in class together, we had the
same manager. She was coming up from Orange County all
the time. She was sixteen. I think she was emancipated.
So she had brothers and sisters, and her family just
couldn't keep bringing her back back and forth. So essentially
at that time I was in a relationship with Jeff
to day I talked.
Speaker 5: About a thousand times on the show. Yeah, my first
real boy friend.
Speaker 6: And I had an apartment. I was going to UCLA,
I was, you know, acting whatever, doing jobs. And anyway,
Jeff and his two friends had an apartment together, and
essentially Alison moved in with them, and they were nice
guys like they She couldn't have been a better situation.
She moved in so that she could work on the show.
And so I actually saw a lot of her during
that time.
Speaker 5: It yeahs yeah, exactly, totally. So cut you.
Speaker 6: Several years later we saw a lot of Alison during
like up and down. She would come up, she would stay,
she would do some auditions, she would go back to
Orange County. I think we went to Europe. She was
eighteen I was maybe twenty two and we took a
trip to Europe together.
Speaker 1: Was this with your teacher?
Speaker 6: Uh no, this was after Yeah, this was I had
just I think I was my last year of college.
This was like the pilgrimage that people do, and you
get the Euroreal pass just right before nine to eleven.
Everything was just very accessible and easy and anyway. So
she came on the first half of the trip with
me and was really just you know, what I know
of Allison? What I know of the person that I
knew then was a girl who was about to start Smallville.
She had gotten the pilot, this show was going. Her
life was just about to change, and she was going
to be moving to Vancouver at nineteen eighteen years old.
Song you know, to start this show in another country
and essentially be on her own, right, And she was
when you travel with someone, you really get to know them,
you know. Yeah, I was twenty two. I I was
so ready to like be on my own.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 6: I had no problem reading a train schedule, finding a
place to stay, figuring out you know what. The again,
logistical kind of person I am.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 6: She was searching even then, I felt for something she
didn't have a formal high school education.
Speaker 5: She had gone to a professional school. She didn't go
to college, but.
Speaker 6: She really wanted something in her life and was very
much a you know, she was a dreamer, She was
a she was an artist. She was constantly trying to
collect people and find people and find meaning.
Speaker 5: Right, So does it surprise me?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think like the entertainment industry attracts people
like that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not like that.
Speaker 2: I don't have that kind of mind like searching for
you know, the meaning of you know, or deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. Maybe I'm just dense, but like,
I just don't.
Speaker 2: But there's there's so many people that in this industry
that you can see can fall into something like you
know what she fell into, because they're you know, constantly looking,
and they're may be lost, and maybe they don't have
good relationships with their parents or you know, their family.
Speaker 1: They feel alone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think also, I mean, if you think
about it, she'd been coming to la since she was
fifteen sixteen by herself, right, and then going up and
living in a totally different country at eighteen. I remember
at the time that we traveled she was dating this guy.
He was in sort of like an incubus wannabe band.
They were signed to a record label and they thought
they were hot shit, and they all had tattoos and
they were all skinny and all doing drugs. And she
just wasn't that kind of a person. Like she was
like sunshine and overalls and flowers in my hair, you know.
And she started dating this guy, which was a total
one eighty. And I remember being on that trip and
we had like a satellite phone you were only supposed
to use in emergencies because it costs like a billion dollars.
So I never used it because I was just like, oh.
Speaker 5: Oh, you know my parents from an internet.
Speaker 6: Cafe every four days and let him know him alive.
And she and he were like constantly on that phone.
They were fighting, they were he odeed at one point,
like there was so much drama going on. And I
remember being like, girl, I'm gonna try to be your
big sister right now. I don't have siblings, but I
love you like a sister, and I'm going to give
you some tough love. And I tried to tell her
that she was too young for this shit. She had
everything going for her and she didn't need this, and
that like he was leading her down a bad path.
He wasn't gonna be anything. He wasn't anyone, and like
his lifestyle was not who she was and she didn't
need to go down that dark path.
Speaker 5: She did not want to hear that.
Speaker 6: As most eighteen year olds don't, of course, So you
know I tried, Yeah I tried, but let me tell you.
I did not get an invitation okay on Facebook to
go to lunch.
Speaker 1: No he didn't.
Speaker 3: Did you guys lose touch?
Speaker 6: I mean obviously, yeah, that was not that was that
advice was not taken.
Speaker 5: Well, that was the start of kind of things, my
quasi intervention that I had.
Speaker 1: So she was not she didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 5: She did want to hear it.
Speaker 4: And even after I imagine at some point they break up,
you guys don't get back in touch.
Speaker 5: They broke up.
Speaker 6: It took her took her three years or something because
he hung on you know, that banding go anywhere, and
then he had to hang on to a meal ticket.
I'm sure, I'm sorry, but no, thank you, and uh,
you know, there was a couple of interactions we sort
of made up.
Speaker 5: It was like I, you know, I apologize.
Speaker 6: I was like, I was just trying to And I
think by that point they had broken up and she
sort of realized, like, I've been right, but I wasn't
looking for it.
Speaker 5: I told you so or anything like that.
Speaker 6: I was in Vancouver, I was filming something and we
met for lunch one day and it was really nice
and we had a really nice lunch, and it was
it was great to see her, and she seemed like
she was in a good place.
Speaker 1: Was it this was pre pre Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this I think was right before and she
was dating a nice guy and seemed like she had
some I still feel like she was just that type.
She was constantly like searching for something I wanted to be,
like go to the learning annex. Yes, like don't do that,
you know, but if you've seen the documentary, which I
have too, I can just imagine this charismatic I know everything,
I'm gonna pick you, choose you your special I think
all of that would have been very appealing.
Speaker 2: Now do you think that she was in love with
Keith Nary?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Probably.
Speaker 6: I mean I think he was a guru. I think
I think everybody vied for his attention.
Speaker 5: But I think she was.
Speaker 6: Powerful more so than some of the others because she
had she had resources financially and otherwise. I mean, she
definitely reached out to a friend of mine, Yeah, another
actress friend of mine, and invited her and actually gifted
her like a two week complimentary you know, common courses
and my I've told this story on a different podcast,
but but my friend Beverly, then, in pure Beverly fashion,
regifted it to somebody else.
Speaker 5: Who didn't take her up on it. But I was like,
I cannot believe you regifted a cult invitation that funny,
I didn't want it to go to wait, drop it off.
Speaker 6: But I think, you know, I don't know that in
the beginning, it is what it seemed. It seemed like
it was all in the up and up right, you know,
women and business and trying to be your own person
and growth, and.
Speaker 5: I'm sure all of that was very appeal feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 3: And he's so manipulative. I mean, there is a clip
in one of those documentaries that I still think about
where it's one of their recorded late night walks in Alcahola, right,
and she says something to him that is so deferential
and not taking a position and kind of asking him
what he thinks she should do, and his response is
to make fun of her and tell her what a
narcissist she is. I remember that, and I could not
believe that interaction because if you're there, one on one, yeah,
you would think, oh, I guess I am. Then even
though she's trying to be so whatever you want, I
don't have. You know, it's almost make herself invisible. And
then he's there being like you freaking you should be
on the poster for what a narcissist is, right, I remember.
Speaker 6: So it's it's sad, you know, it's like I haven't
had any contact with her in years, But I don't like.
It's a rough It's a rough recovery I think, emotionally
and mentally from that kind of abuse.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Is there a part of you though, from like because
you knew her so well back in the day, that
wants to call her up now and be like girl, like.
Speaker 1: What the hell?
Speaker 5: Like what was going on?
Speaker 1: Let's talk?
Speaker 6: We need to get to get like I mean, I
you know, when when it all started to come out,
and then when it seemed like, oh god, she's going
she's going to court, she might be going to jail,
and went to jail. I mean, you know, there was
a group of us from acting class, my friend John Huertas,
my friend Chad.
Speaker 5: We were all like, should we like write her a letter,
just let her.
Speaker 6: Know that, hey, there are people that are here for you,
because I don't know how many people are going to
turn their back on you and I and I still
feel that way. I mean I would, I would, I
would always be here for her as a friend, especially
after what she's been through, because I don't again, I
don't you can look at somebody and say, oh, they're
an idiot, they should have known better. But when you
come from like an environment, when what I saw of
her growing up and of the lack of I think,
directional course and having to figure so much out on
her own, I can see how very quickly you could
be manipulated. And I'm sure there were times in which
that group, that community actually felt really good. She probably
felt like she had a lot of friends and people
that cared about her, and I'm sure there were some
genuine friendships.
Speaker 2: Probably crave that camaraderie and then just got you know,
I just it must be a shock to have to
watch that somebody that you know and see watch it unfold.
Speaker 1: You're just like, how did it and how it get?
Speaker 5: How do you like? At what point you're like, oh, yeah,
that sounds like a good idea. Some hot irons.
Speaker 2: And people in those initials are really Alison mac like,
I don't it's yeah right the k.
Speaker 1: Are or or it could be yeah.
Speaker 5: Either way, let's you shouldn't be branding pah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean so do you have any other story
you want to ask?
Speaker 4: Oh, I need to ask about Stacy's house?
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yeah we haven't the haunted house.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is haunted.
Speaker 1: It's still haunted.
Speaker 3: It's perpetually haunted. Yeah, but you know, I'm used to it.
It's a good vibe. It's not scary, it's not well,
it has been scary at times.
Speaker 4: What was the first thing that you noticed, Like, what
was the first incident you ever had?
Speaker 3: Well, it has a haunted vibe before you even come in.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people say they when they
pull up, they go, this place is haunted right before
they even come in. So it has that vibe to it.
And then you know, I moved in eighteen so I
my design theme became haunted House. I was trying to
just encourage that as much as possible because I didn't
do it. Yeah, I wouldn't take down any spider webs.
I've started doing that now, but when I was a kid,
I would leave them there. So, you know, this is
what it is, so why don't just let it be
what it already is?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So it was so the first things that would happen is,
you know these arched glass doors that are in the
living room that have this really specific kind of old
closure on them where it has a bar that's connected
to a knob, and the bar goes into these notches
that are above and below, one in the floor and
one in the I guess the slash or whatever you
call that above, and then you twist the knob from
the inside and pull it towards you in and that's
how you open the door. But I would come down
in the morning and all three of these would be
standing open.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or my dog. I always have a big, crazy or
scary or just big. Now, now my current dog is
not scary, he's just big. I always tend to have
a big, nutty dog. So my big nutty dog would
be barking in the middle of the night because she
had and I was going, how could she possibly be outside?
We went to bed, and it was because all those
doors were open. So that happened multiple times, and then
multiple times, wow, yes, multiple times. And then I would
just hear things. I would hear a house full of
people when I was in the house alone upstairs and downstairs.
I would hear all of this movement and action and
people walking up the stairs and not speaking, not voices,
but you know, the wooden chairs scraping against the floor
in the dining room, the cabinet doors in the kitchen closing,
and just all of this action, like there were ten
people downstairs, and I just it's the weirdest feeling because
you're going had Wasn't that terrifying at the time, Yes,
but it's such a bizarre like I just remember, you know,
my heart pounding and my face getting red and just
thinking I'm not I'm not insane, I am hearing this.
This is happening right now. Oh, this is happening right now?
What is this? And then you're trying to think of
every explanation and what could it be? And logically, but
as you're thinking this stuff, you're still hearing it. It's
still happening, And then you're going, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 5: What is this?
Speaker 3: How is this possible? Am I losing my mind? It's
such a crazy ride. Anyway, So I would that would
happen frequently, that that would be happening downstairs, and it
was very scary. But then the worst one was where
I was washing my face in the bathroom and I
had the soap on my face and I hurt. It started,
and I'm going, oh, I can't I can't believe this
is happening again. It's starting again. It's doing it again.
It's happening again, And you start going on that whole
ride in your mind. And the door to the hallway
was open, and I see something go flying by right
down the hallway. No, and I had never seen anything.
It had only been these hearing things and these other
weird occurrences. But something. It was about waste height. It
was like a black ball, but it went so fast
I could barely see it. But if I had to
say what it was, it was, yeah, like a black
sphere and it just went fly so fast, flying hurtling by,
and I just I was. I thought I was going
to have a stroke. I was just I can't I
can't handle this. It's bad enough hearing it, but now
we're going to start seeing things. I don't think I
can do that, you know, So I just said, just
in my mind, I said, okay, look, whoever you are,
whatever you are, you know, I'm glad that you're here,
but this is too much for me. I can't see
you at all. You're going to kill me. I'm going
to die of fright you please, like, don't let me
ever see you. And then with that, I just said, okay,
for whatever that's worth, I don't know what's happened, you know.
I don't know if they can hear me. I don't
know if they care. But then I just closed my
eyes and started just washing my whole face. And then
it stopped. But before it's tough. This was perhaps the
worst moment of all that I'm kind of breezing right
over is I closed my eyes and I felt just
a anger tip right oh, right here, right under my ear,
like somebody just not poke, not you know, not hard,
but like someone just pressed the tip of their finger
on the side of my neck right under my ear.
And then just took it away and then everything stopped,
all the noises stopped. I never saw anything again.
Speaker 1: Did you get any like expert opinion on it or yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we've had we haven't hired people, but
we've had friends over and stuff that, you know, for
one friend who's a medium, another friend who does those
is kind of psychic and stuff, and they've all they've
said very kind of eerily similar things that there's an
older lady who used to work at that house and
she's never left and she's never leaving, and they associate
her with certain parts of the house. You know, she's
always upstairs. This is where she lives. She looks out
for things, she looks out for the house.
Speaker 1: Oh that's kind of comforting. Actually it's weird.
Speaker 3: But then there's some bad you know. But then it's
weird how people will say the same things. You know
that multiple people say this older lady is here. But
then there's all so they've said, some dark things are here.
You know, there's another different older person who's very dark
and negative. There's a little boy who's very scared. He's
in this room all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't like little kids either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean, it's definitely still haunted. There's definitely
stuff that goes on, but I haven't seen anything, and
I can I can live with that, but I guess
if I ever saw the house, I'm going to have
to disclose, because.
Speaker 4: It's true, what's the frequency right now that you're even
experiencing anything.
Speaker 3: It has really died down. It's more of sometimes there's
a feeling in the living room. Sometimes I'll be sitting
there by myself in the dark, watching something and I'll
just feel something off in this we have this library
area and I'll just feel like, oh no, oh, no,
oh no, something is something starting over there. Weird noises,
weird things that don't make, noises that are not possible,
that don't can't that noise can't be coming from there.
Does your dog bark? No? No, so things.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have the gift.
Speaker 3: It's more of an energetic thing. And lately it's more
my husband who has it worse. He has nightmares and
he sees things that I don't.
Speaker 1: See, So that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're just kind of done with
me and they've moved whatever the dark thing has moved
on to.
Speaker 6: Well, we've had a couple of pot experiences. We were
at her house recording and we started to talk about this,
and then right as we were talking about it, her screen,
her computer screen, did it.
Speaker 5: Just go to like fuzz something? Do you remember that witness?
Speaker 6: It just turned off and turned on and like you know,
electrical things. So a couple things like that have happened
crazy and we all freaked ourselves out. And then we
were recording at my house not long ago, and they
followed you it.
Speaker 3: Was a recent episode. I think it's our Was it
our mail back?
Speaker 5: I asked, bag episode that just came out?
Speaker 6: So my kids were there, but I had put them
to bed like an hour before, and we were sitting
recording and next to the office is a bathroom with
a shower, and all of a sudden I heard the
water turn on and I was like, that's strange.
Speaker 5: Are my kids up?
Speaker 1: What are they doing?
Speaker 5: And I walked in there.
Speaker 6: The shower was a full blast Oh, and it's like
one of those that you have to just like really crank.
Speaker 3: It's like a sort of comes out of the wall
and you have to grab it and pull it full
blast show.
Speaker 1: Oh, I get so they followed you.
Speaker 6: That's what I asked, and then I was like, hold on,
this might be a joke because April Fools was coming up.
And I walked upstairs thinking that, like, the kids are
gonna behind, you know, both asleep.
Speaker 1: Just that's crazy.
Speaker 6: We've still not had a confirmation of how or why
that happened. And I walked back in and the first
thing I said was did they follow you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So then we're, you know, we're patrolling the house like we're,
you know, just Keystone cops over here to clear the house.
Speaker 5: Thing.
Speaker 3: Maybe somebody walked in, And then I thought it was
definitely Christine's daughter because she was asking me before we
started recording. She's nine, so she asked me what my
plans were for April Fool's Day. I thought that was
a very weird question. April Fool's Day was about a
week away. What do you mean my plan?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So I thought this had to be her. So I
kept saying to Lincoln.
Speaker 5: Has she confessed? Confessed?
Speaker 3: She has to have confessed, right. She finally did come clean,
because I mean, the kid can act, no doubt. I'm
sure she can pretend to be sleeping right when I
walk in and sell it pretty well.
Speaker 5: I asked her.
Speaker 6: I was like, are you sure you didn't do anything?
She said, no, Mommy, but that has happened once before.
And I was like what, and she said, yeah, one
night you were out and I was sitting here with
our babysitter and that we just heard the shower running.
Speaker 2: That's insane. You guys, you guys have so many good stories.
You're gonna have to come back again when Stephanie's yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my gosh, I would. I would love it.
I can't believe I really, I cannot tell you enough
how many times I I listened to your show and
loved it. And between you.
Speaker 5: Two, that's really sweet.
Speaker 3: Just it's just it's a fun hang. It's always a
good time and I love your stories that you both have,
and so I'm supremely honored. I can't this is happening.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much. Jen, thanks for making this happen.
And you guys, you're gonna have to come back again
when Stephanie's here, because we have we didn't even scratch
the server.
Speaker 1: You guys got.
Speaker 2: You're very Our audience is gonna love your show, really,
they really are.
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Speaker 5: Every Wednesday?
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Speaker 6: And then we have a Patreon as well, which we
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