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<v Speaker 1>Traveling the world is an incredible experience. Finding landscapes that

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<v Speaker 1>belong to other cultures and experiencing the way of life

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<v Speaker 1>others live can often be invigorating and often life changing.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we already know, when there is good, there

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<v Speaker 1>also tends to be bad. With tourism, there is no exception,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we talk about the dark side of tourism

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<v Speaker 1>and a particular man who took advantage of other countries' laws,

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<v Speaker 1>their people, and most heinous of all their children.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion. We're back from Halloween week. We are, It's over,

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<v Speaker 1>It's done. How was that seven days in between? I

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<v Speaker 1>have a feeling that comes long for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is long for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Curious if everyone's even caught up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Actually, I'm not actually expecting everyone to listen

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<v Speaker 1>every episode every day, so I'm curious if everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>by now caught up or if they're still going through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it almost feels like it's been way longer than

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<v Speaker 2>a week, right, now just because we were doing episodes

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>It does it felt like a summer vacation almost. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like it drug on if I'm being completely honest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was no time away really like our normal.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're back onto the normal, except we've been away

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<v Speaker 1>so long now we're just brain farting. That's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>That is but we are back to the regular schedule

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<v Speaker 1>of just Tuesday uploads and now that Halloween is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually oppose this question not long ago in Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't gone back and responded to everyone yet and

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<v Speaker 1>started the conversations with them, but I have seen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people commenting in regards to Christmas decorating.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we were chatting about that today. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you did putting it because, I mean, Tommy home,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to have a Christmas tree indoors, so you

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<v Speaker 1>came up with the idea on the gazebo we put up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have a Christmas tree in.

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<v Speaker 2>There because we have power going to there, so it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So what's your what's your vision for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would almost Well, I was going to say clear

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<v Speaker 2>everything off the deck that we have there, but it

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<v Speaker 2>would be nice because we do a little fire pit

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<v Speaker 2>there too. You could sit there with the tree, That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd keep that stuff there and I just put

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<v Speaker 2>the tree kind of in the middle, and I'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>just do lights. I don't know if i'd really do ornaments.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we do have a bunch of ornaments in storage.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how would they do in the cold weather? Though

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<v Speaker 2>outside in the element?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're cheap. They're all right, But we can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that until December.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, we're December first people for Christmas decorating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our cutoff. You can decorate Halloween when October hits.

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<v Speaker 1>You can decorate Christmas when December hits. That's the rule. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know other people live by different rules. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I am friends with one of our patreons because this

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<v Speaker 1>is a real life friend of ours who joined us

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<v Speaker 1>some Patreon DEMI. Yeah, though I haven't seen her response

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<v Speaker 1>in Patreon yet, I have seen a personal post on

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook where she erected her Christmas tree today. Really, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so clearly I know she is living in a lawless land.

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<v Speaker 1>So DEMI shout out to you for doing what you

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<v Speaker 1>want and live in your way. That's awesome, that's honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey, do you I disagree with it wholeheartedly,

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<v Speaker 1>but I appreciate you doing you well.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing up, I remember it was always December first for

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<v Speaker 2>us too, But my mom would often like say if

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<v Speaker 2>December first was or how I don't know. Often it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a week ahead or something like she we

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<v Speaker 2>led her way for it to be a week ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know a lot of people if they do

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<v Speaker 2>decorate too early, they get sick of it the decorations

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<v Speaker 2>by the time Christmas comes, right, Yeah, And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, it's like it gives you something to look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to a little bit more. It's like, okay, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>get to decorate on December first, and then it's like

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<v Speaker 1>makes like you say, that countdown to Christmas a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit shorter. And yeah, I don't know. But the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the coin is it makes Christmas season longer.

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<v Speaker 1>People like the Christmas season, so why not, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a joyful season.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, well, it should be. It's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to be, but actually it's not. Always, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you're dealing with like a loss or something, it

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<v Speaker 2>almost makes it worse. I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>And consumerism nowadays too is through the roof. So yeah, yeah, anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>we got some patreons to think, we sure do after

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and to go and I'm going to actually

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<v Speaker 1>engage with them in that Christmas conversation see what their

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<v Speaker 1>opinion is. But we have some patrons who signed up

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<v Speaker 1>since our last episode. So we have Marie, Chris and Crystal, Melissa,

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<v Speaker 1>Juice Kick, and Emily Alred. They all signed up over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon to get that exclusive stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. Yeah, we sure do appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you guys want to join us on Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>links down below. If not, yeah, that's cool, you're here. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>If you just want to see some behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not the Patreon behind the scenes, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. We uploaded a YouTube video like an hour ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's a really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, go to the description of this once a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is done, you can check out that video where we

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<v Speaker 1>show our chickens off. Well I do because Nicole wasn't home,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyways, you get to see that. Regardless, let's dive

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<v Speaker 1>into this episode, because that's what you're here for. You're

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<v Speaker 1>here for TRR crime. Yeah, not chickens or Christmas discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll just know really quick. We do have our

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<v Speaker 2>like generic disclosure at the beginning, because you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about heavy shit here. But this one is kid related,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people were like want an extra

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<v Speaker 2>heads up for that sometimes when we try to, so

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<v Speaker 2>just letting you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, so I will tell you now that, yes, Nichol's correct,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is child related. However, I do not go

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<v Speaker 1>over any details of said child relation stuff. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mention any graphic details what soever involving children. Correct. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, no graphic details whatsoever I talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I strictly talk about the crime that was committed.

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<v Speaker 1>So just say, for example, this is not this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, for example, right now, say for example,

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<v Speaker 1>some case somewhere where a child was murdered. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the murder whatsoever. I just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the child is murdered, and that's as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I go. So in this case, children are victims, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just simply say they are the victims. They were abused.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I really say. Okay, so if you can,

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<v Speaker 1>if you got through this, you can probably get through

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 2>We get it, you get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I'm trying to give you a warning, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need too much of one generally because it is

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<v Speaker 1>light Still.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just funny. How a lot sooner to try I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so bad for that. You're explaining something and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm explaining it. Just yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just gone out of control because like this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a light case by any means. I just there's no

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<v Speaker 1>graphic details to go along with it in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's good. Okay, Okay, So today's story, I first

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<v Speaker 1>want to shout out Nick Crowley on YouTube. His video

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<v Speaker 1>was the single best resource of information regarding this case.

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<v Speaker 1>So I pulled a lot from his video, So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. Did an incredible job covering it, so

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<v Speaker 1>help me out. Immensely awesome. But today's story, we do

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<v Speaker 1>start off in an internet cafe in Peta, Thailand. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the early two thousands, So two young brothers were

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<v Speaker 1>there and they're having some fun on computers in this

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<v Speaker 1>internet cafe and they're playing their favorite computer games. So

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<v Speaker 1>the boys were thirteen and eight years old. They were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting next to each other and they began playing the

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<v Speaker 1>games and you know, their afternoon of excitement, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>as they were playing the game, they noticed that there

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<v Speaker 1>was another boy kind of peering over their shoulder. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the boy was about their age, and he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of watching them play their games rather intensely. The three

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<v Speaker 1>began striking up a conversation moments later, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the games that they were playing. And soon

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<v Speaker 1>the third boy began telling these two about a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of his who he was on his way to go see. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>he told them how his friend had this amazing computer

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<v Speaker 1>for games and it was head over heels better than

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<v Speaker 1>the ones in these internet cafes. So not only was

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<v Speaker 1>this computer head over heels better than these other computers,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also had a giant library of games to

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<v Speaker 1>go with it so large you can pretty much play

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<v Speaker 1>any game you wanted. Basically, it's like you play on

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<v Speaker 1>this awesome game. Whatever game like.

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<v Speaker 2>Just rocks nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So the boys eyes of course glinted as their thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>started churning. You know, the idea of this incredible computer.

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<v Speaker 1>How amazing you you play these games on it? And

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like, you know, fuck, yeah, this sounds awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, as the third boy continued, he actually offered

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<v Speaker 1>his two newfound friends to come with him to this

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<v Speaker 1>place to play some of the games on set computer.

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<v Speaker 2>With his friend and the fact that he's like a

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<v Speaker 2>young boy too, it's probably made them feel kind of comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, oh yeah, no red flags or anything. Yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go play right with another another kid my age

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. So yeah, no questions asked. They're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is cool. So yeah, they were like, just let's

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<v Speaker 1>go join it. So all three of them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>left the Internet cafe and they marched off and they

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<v Speaker 1>were headed off in the direction to this awesome computer

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<v Speaker 1>with the games.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, excited as heck, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, through and through it was off to a nearby

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<v Speaker 1>apartment building wasn't too far away. They entered through the

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<v Speaker 1>main doors and all three began climbing flights of stairs

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<v Speaker 1>until they reached the seventh level. There, they entered one

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<v Speaker 1>of the units of the building and it was very

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<v Speaker 1>dimly lit inside, and here they didn't find the superior

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<v Speaker 1>gaming computer. That they were promised. Instead, they were met

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<v Speaker 1>by a strange man, a man that had just trapped

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<v Speaker 1>these boys by means of manipulating another boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would later earn the very eerie nickname mister Swirl.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that sounds disturbing, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and four, German authorities would be

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<v Speaker 1>the first to learn about this very disturbing man one

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<v Speaker 1>evening as they were searching through some items in an old,

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned storage unit. Now, as they sifted through the items within,

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<v Speaker 1>something extremely disturbing. Beneath the layers forgotten i junk, garbage,

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<v Speaker 1>debris and appliances, they came across an old hard drive. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was sheer, curiosity or something else that drove

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<v Speaker 1>unknown and rather irrelevant, honestly, But when they did plug

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<v Speaker 1>were horrified with its contents. There were hundreds of photos

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<v Speaker 1>showcasing photos from around the world, traveling pictures of places, landscapes, food,

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<v Speaker 1>and amongst them, photos of child.

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<v Speaker 2>Pornography, oh just randomly in the mix.

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<v Speaker 1>graphic as we go, just stating child pornography. That's as

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<v Speaker 2>for now.

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<v Speaker 1>So while I will not get into these details and

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<v Speaker 1>these events that were unfolding with these children being harmed

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<v Speaker 1>in the photos, it was certain that multiple victims were

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<v Speaker 1>boys that appeared to be in a very dimly lit apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man.

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<v Speaker 1>However, out of all these images on the hard drive,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one detail in some images that stood out.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a man who seemed to pose proudly with

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<v Speaker 1>the children, as if showcasing what he was doing. All

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<v Speaker 1>the above being before, during, and after. But while he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be boasting very proudly of his actions, he

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<v Speaker 1>also took care to cover his identity the images that

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<v Speaker 1>were shown of him and his victims. He had taken

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<v Speaker 1>a filter to his own face, a swirl effect, much

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<v Speaker 1>like you see on Snapchat or Instagram or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the swirl swirls the pixels of the face into

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<v Speaker 1>an unrecognizable spiral, giving him the nickname mister Swirl.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, I don't know what it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>exactly be. But that's like disturbing. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 2>all of it's disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's even more particularly disturbing when you actually look

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<v Speaker 1>at the images of this mister Swirl.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but is there was there other like in within

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<v Speaker 2>the travel pictures his face normal, No, they're all just swirly.

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<v Speaker 1>The travel pictures were just kind of like landscape, foods,

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<v Speaker 1>just general pictures of things. He's behind the camera and

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<v Speaker 1>then when there it is involving the children and he

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<v Speaker 1>is in them, his face his swirled.

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<v Speaker 2>What the shit? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>One detail he would often do with these swirl pictures

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<v Speaker 1>is the center of the swirl. This is one eye,

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<v Speaker 1>So you get this swirl right into the center of

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<v Speaker 1>like his pupil, and it's just it's honestly kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really fucked it is, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, it's like it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a swirl, but knowing what's behind that swirl and what

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<v Speaker 1>this person is.

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<v Speaker 2>Capable of evil predator.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well complete evil predator like this guy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you now, this guy is the fucking lowest of

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking low, Like fuck this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I don't think any of us. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to finish this to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that, no, no guaranteed. So this was something different

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<v Speaker 1>than most predators though, him actually posing in the photos, yeah, actively,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's actually trying to tie these images in these

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<v Speaker 1>events to himself without being discovered, if that makes any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like he's flexing or provoking authorities like, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>try and figure out who I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then it's honestly, to my thought is it's

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<v Speaker 2>literally just for him, because I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times people are doing this sort of disturbing thing to

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<v Speaker 2>profit or to sell or whatever. But like, if he's

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<v Speaker 2>in there with this swirly face, I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost just for him.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll touch on that here in a little bit. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So authorities who found this, of course, began working trying

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<v Speaker 1>to identify this man right away because this is not

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<v Speaker 1>fucking cool, of course, and it quickly became apparent to

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<v Speaker 1>them that trying to decipher this world photographs to find

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<v Speaker 1>a mysterious individual behind them and who's who their identity

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<v Speaker 1>was was not going to be an easy task. So

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<v Speaker 1>soon inner Pol would find themselves involved in the investigation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we all know what INTERPOL is, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the world renowned worldwide organization for crime unit or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They would join the investigation investigation that would later be

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<v Speaker 1>named Operation Visco. Since so many photographs were found from

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<v Speaker 1>around the world on this hard drive, now it only

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<v Speaker 1>kind of makes sense that they're part of it, really,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's all around the world sort of thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>they began digging into other details of the photos, such

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<v Speaker 1>as geographical locations, landmarks, you know, tangible details in the photographs,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe writings on signs, street signs, that sort of stuff, food,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, right, And by doing this, they were able

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<v Speaker 1>to identify some of the areas that the photographs were

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<v Speaker 1>actually taken in, and thus identifying possible areas where this

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<v Speaker 1>individual was operating out of. Okay, So some of the

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<v Speaker 1>locations were Cambodia, Thailand, Vietnam, and potentially South Korea, and

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<v Speaker 1>Operation VIKO actually gets its name from Vietnam and Cambodia.

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<v Speaker 1>So combining the to vicos.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you. I was really curious what I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just wag ask.

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<v Speaker 1>After Yeah, so there you go. It was actually a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of those, which were two heavy areas that he

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<v Speaker 1>was operating in. Okay, Now, though this was like a

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<v Speaker 1>really good discovery on the investigator's part, actually narrowing down

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<v Speaker 1>these areas that these folks were taken in the relevations

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<v Speaker 1>didn't exactly make their job any easier by any means,

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<v Speaker 1>if any thing. It really just opened the can of worms.

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<v Speaker 1>The man was seemingly going from country to country and

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<v Speaker 1>never staying long enough to get caught anywhere, and always

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<v Speaker 1>leaving authorities behind. So there are several countries that he

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly be in, countries that he was in, and

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<v Speaker 1>where could he be?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, that would make it way harder. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>also very interesting. Hey yeah, that they're just going all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean like he at this point, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone to multiple countries, he could literally be anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>He could literally be anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was in the world basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've said it two times already in the last

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds. Literally, but it's literally a needle in a haystack.

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<v Speaker 1>Search for the authorities. They're searching for an unknown individual

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the world. Wow, yeah, narrow that shit down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I mean, it's hard enough to find some

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<v Speaker 2>one individual saying a big ass city, let alone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I that is so daunting. I couldn't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Half the time. It's hard enough for me to find

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<v Speaker 1>my own dog in the backyard, like where the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>did she go? And they have to find someone in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Yeah, someone they don't know. It baffles me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have really no identification whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Zero. Yeah, so it of course gonna be hard. But however,

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't going to be the only evidence authorities would

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<v Speaker 1>have to work with, because mister swirl soon would deliver

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<v Speaker 1>more photographs. Okay, so the same swirling faced photographs would

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<v Speaker 1>begin popping up online in dark corners of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, which ultimately proved the worst case scenario to authorities.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still doing it, He's still.

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<v Speaker 1>Active, because I mean, they found this old hard drive.

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<v Speaker 1>It could just be Hey, someone who did this. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a year spree or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Right way back in the day. Hopefully they're like don't

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<v Speaker 2>exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're done whatever. Yeah, heinous still but at least

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<v Speaker 1>it's not continuing. But no, in this case, it's still continuing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the photos were circulating through forums with known predatory

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<v Speaker 1>predatory individuals of the like of mister Swirl and posing

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<v Speaker 1>with of course his victims now doing so. Posing with

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<v Speaker 1>one's victims being in the photos was kind of almost

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<v Speaker 1>a badge of honor because generally speaking, predators don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the photos because they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be caught, they don't want to be seen if the

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<v Speaker 1>photos are found, it's like, hey, proove, I took those,

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<v Speaker 1>good luck, right, but he's actually posing with them, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of like a badge of honor sort

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<v Speaker 1>of situation in these forums, and he was becoming somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>of a celebrity in these twisted groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, I hate the term too, badge of honor

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<v Speaker 2>for this shit. That's so this is just that's just wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. That's why I said almost a badge.

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<v Speaker 2>Of how No, I'm not blaming you at all, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's exact like what he's doing. You know, he's proud

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<v Speaker 2>of this, Yeah, I know, And that's that's just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like disgusting, isn't even the word that being begins

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<v Speaker 1>to portray how I feel about this, But they do

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<v Speaker 1>theorize that in this sort of situation with him kind

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<v Speaker 1>of being a little bit more prolific and like held

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<v Speaker 1>at a higher standard and higher tier, and all these

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<v Speaker 1>gross ass creepy individuals liking what he's doing. Now as

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<v Speaker 1>this quote badge of honor, it only kind of opened

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<v Speaker 1>the world for him to access their libraries of what

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<v Speaker 1>they have as well, because people are holding him to

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<v Speaker 1>a high standard. Now it's like, oh, look what I did,

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<v Speaker 1>Look what I've got, Here's what I've purchased or whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, yeah, kind of making him a quasi

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So, by now, with the accumulation of photos from the

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive and photos that were brought up online, authorities

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<v Speaker 1>had nearly three hundred photos depicting mister Swirl and his

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<v Speaker 1>horrible acts. So there was approximately hundred photos in that

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive. All all of them were of these type

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<v Speaker 1>of photos. Some of them were, like I said, landscapes

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<v Speaker 1>or travel photos. Right now, they had approximately three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>photos of this particular type of apps.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, yes, okay, and I just have to

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like just sitting here being the investigators that

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<v Speaker 2>have to pretend to be nasty motherfuckers, And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're so necessary and they're like heroes, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine that.

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<v Speaker 1>Being your jaw pay having to go in these chat rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>And talk to them and try to get information, and

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I just feel like that would be

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<v Speaker 2>made maybe one of the worst jobs in the sense though,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're having to see, but not in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you're able to help and hopefully stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, It's a gut wrenching situation. It's much

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<v Speaker 1>similar to like, say, for example, firefighters, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>run into a burning building to save a life. These

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<v Speaker 1>people are metaphorically doing the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, but the visuals that they're having to witness on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis, I can only imagine how brutal that

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<v Speaker 1>So as dark as this was the case of mister Swirl,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a light at the end of the tunnel. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, So the ever so cocky mister Swirl slipped up.

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<v Speaker 2>Good what the fuck did he do?

423
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<v Speaker 1>He forgot to hide his IP address when posting the

424
00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 1>photos to the online forums. Oh my gosh, which gave

425
00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the authorities the exact city he was operating over.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Well.

427
00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they surmise that this disgusting excuse for a

428
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<v Speaker 1>human to put into bed to least of words, I

429
00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.319
<v Speaker 1>could has been flying to other countries to take advantage

430
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.160
<v Speaker 1>of their lesser laws to abuse children and then fly

431
00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.079
<v Speaker 1>back home to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and share his

432
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<v Speaker 1>material via the Internet.

433
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<v Speaker 2>The fact that this guy Canadian, its just disturbs me

434
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.519
<v Speaker 2>even more. But also I'm glad that he was such

435
00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>an idiot. But what an idiot? Yeah, Like, I'm so

436
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 2>glad he kind of forgot to take that off. But

437
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.799
<v Speaker 2>like you're stupid, Yeah, real stupid.

438
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's stupid for a lot of reasons, but yeah,

439
00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:17.559
<v Speaker 1>many reasons.

440
00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

441
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So, while they didn't know who he was, just yet,

442
00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.759
<v Speaker 1>narrowing down their search to Vancouver was immense. It's no

443
00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.119
<v Speaker 1>longer a worldwide search, it's a city search.

444
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a big ass city, but that's whole

445
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that's huge win.

446
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So while this was going on, the team that

447
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>was trying desperately with the swirl photographs to like solve

448
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that puzzle, something happened. So see the swirl pattern in

449
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>these effects, I gotta go with a little bit of

450
00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 1>detail with this effect here for a second. Oh, they

451
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:54.920
<v Speaker 1>only alter the photos. It doesn't erase any any information.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, seriously.

453
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:03.599
<v Speaker 1>So everything, every pick in this picture is still there.

454
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The swirl just changes the order it swirls the pictures.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Some effects like a blur, literally like will erase ya

456
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.880
<v Speaker 1>get rid of details? The swirl does not do that.

457
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>It just rearranges the pattern of the pixels to create

458
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<v Speaker 1>a swirl effect.

459
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<v Speaker 2>Because I've totally played with this in Phonoshop before, so

460
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>I one hundred percent get what you mean. Yeah, wow,

461
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>so you could swirl it back kind of.

462
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, three years after the initial discovery, the breakthrough happened.

463
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<v Speaker 1>One of the individuals and the team made a connection

464
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<v Speaker 1>with this effect to an editing software, the exact editing

465
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<v Speaker 1>software that was used to make the swirl in the

466
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<v Speaker 1>first place.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Because if you use one swirl in one app and

469
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<v Speaker 1>then another, the swirl is a different pattern. So it's

470
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<v Speaker 1>not going to swirl it back exactly the same Okay,

471
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.759
<v Speaker 1>so it's just mixing it the other way, you know. Okay,

472
00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>But if you use the exact same software and put

473
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<v Speaker 1>it into that program. That's exactly what.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, I'm sorry, but that is brilliant.

475
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So this photo was taken by this individual, put

476
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<v Speaker 1>into the exact same program, and the effect was applied

477
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<v Speaker 1>once again, this time in reverse, and then in a

478
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 1>matter of seconds, the face of mister Swirl was reverted

479
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.519
<v Speaker 1>right back to normal and he was revealed.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I'm shocked. I don't know why, but

481
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I didn't think about that. Holy heck,

482
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 2>clearly he didn't either.

483
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Nope, clearly he did not. So he's an idiot for

484
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 1>multiple reasons. Another one.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, thank the Lord that he's such an idiot at right.

486
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:49.279
<v Speaker 1>So innerpol quickly made the images of the man's face public.

487
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.480
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we need to get this guy, like stop now,

488
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.039
<v Speaker 1>we need to face out there, and by public I

489
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:59.039
<v Speaker 1>mean world wide public good because he's operating out of

490
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.160
<v Speaker 1>how many countries, right, So that's what they did. They

491
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>made it worldwide public and spread it across new sources

492
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>around the world and the Internet alike. The hunt for

493
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 1>mister Swirl was on, and it only took a mere

494
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 1>few hours before his identity was discovered.

495
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Really okay, so did he get discovered before he even

496
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>realized that his face was all over the place. We'll

497
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 2>get to that, Okay, Sorry, I'm invested in this now.

498
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 1>So, this so called mister Swirl was a thirty two

499
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<v Speaker 1>year old man by the name of Christopher Paul Neil

500
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 1>who was born in nineteen seventy five in North Vancouver. Now,

501
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Christopher was an English teacher for kids, no shit, He

502
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 1>was traveling around the world to countries the one specifically

503
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>identified in the case as a teacher while staying there,

504
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>so likely meaning some of the children who were his victims. Wow,

505
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.160
<v Speaker 1>were his students.

506
00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>That I hate that? Holy what a piece of Yeah.

507
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Students that he would have, you know, students that would

508
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>have trusted him and that he betrayed that trust.

509
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

510
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>So though Christopher was identified, they didn't have him just yet.

511
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Authorities learned that he was currently working in South Korea

512
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.839
<v Speaker 1>as a teacher and quickly sent the authorities knocking at

513
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 1>his door there. But when they got there, he was already.

514
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Gone running for his life right right.

515
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Because of the publications. Like I said, this was worldwide

516
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.279
<v Speaker 1>news and when he was identified, you bet that was

517
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.279
<v Speaker 1>their real fucking fast too. Yeah, So his identity was

518
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 1>discovered he saw it on TV and he bolted. Now,

519
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 1>a photograph from an airport security soon showed that he

520
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>had fled the country and was now residing somewhere within Thailand.

521
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

522
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Weeks began passing and some sightings of people that looked

523
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like Christopher were reported. Nothing was confirmed, but a few

524
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>weeks had passed, and eventually, on October nineteenth, thousand and seven,

525
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>ty police located by means of transportation on a mobile

526
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>phone Christopher.

527
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, right on, they were on this.

528
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>They were. So they knocked on the door to where

529
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the phone had traced to and when the door opened up,

530
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>there stood Christopher and he was quickly arrested.

531
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<v Speaker 2>Good. I mean it's not surprising that he couldn't go

532
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 2>far really.

533
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the world was after him.

534
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, and he's like he would have screwed up, like

535
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 2>he's he doesn't seem like he thinks steps ahead kind

536
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>of thing.

537
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. Yeah. Now, I did want

538
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to touch briefly on one thing, because now he has

539
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 1>caught kind of the investigation is mostly over. It's now

540
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>prosecution type stage, and all the evidence and stuff. He

541
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>never did technically forget his IP address, when he posted

542
00:28:53.640 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that he had posted it from his brother's computer. He

543
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't use his own personal stuff, He didn't bother to

544
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 1>clear it because he posted it from his brother's computer.

545
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 1>What an asshole, right, So he was essentially if the

546
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 1>target was coming in on him, hoping that it would

547
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>have been framed on his brother.

548
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Hey correct, whoa yeah? Could this guy get any

549
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 2>more scum?

550
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Nope? Like I said, he is the lowest low fuck

551
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 1>this guy.

552
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, Yeah, I mean nothing would even surprise me

553
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>anymore about this guy at this point. Well, is there

554
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:31.559
<v Speaker 2>more shit?

555
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 1>We'll get there.

556
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool.

557
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:35.559
<v Speaker 1>So, to start with, he was being tried in Thailand

558
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 1>for assault on the three young boys in the internet cafe,

559
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>which was the only crime they could actually prove took

560
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>place in their country.

561
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

562
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>So his trial took place later that summer, and on

563
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 1>August fifteenth of two thousand and eight, he was sentenced

564
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>to thirty nine months in prison and a seventeen hundred

565
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>dollars Fine.

566
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not enough.

567
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah at all? No, And not only that, his stay

568
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 1>was his stay behind bars was halved after he later

569
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:04.839
<v Speaker 1>admitted to his crimes.

570
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, you would almost advantage to be more yeap.

571
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>It was then extended after that, after he was also

572
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>found guilty of molesting yet another child.

573
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Keep it extended for life? Right?

574
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Nope. After only five years of incarceration in Thailand, on

575
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>September twenty ninth, twenty twelve, Christopher was released and was

576
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>sent back to Canada. Why now? As he flew back home,

577
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll explain why here. In a moment, he came to

578
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.319
<v Speaker 1>a stop and stepped out of the airplane, and in

579
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that exact moment, he was greeted by an entourage of

580
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 1>police who were anxiously waiting his arrival on Canadian soil

581
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>so they could arrest him in Canada.

582
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good. I wonder if he was expecting that.

583
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming not I probably was, if I'm being honest. Okay. Yeah. So,

584
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>while this is so awesome that he's been sentenced in

585
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Thailand and would now face the gabble in Canadian courtrooms,

586
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could say I was happy with how

587
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>it played out, But as we discussed so very many

588
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>times before in this podcast, the justice system is extremely

589
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 1>flawed in so many ways, and in this case specifically,

590
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I believe the world was let down.

591
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, because there's no way that this person

592
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>should be should be ever walking around.

593
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll get we'll get to that, Okay. So the

594
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>initial plan for prosecution of Christopher was each country will

595
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>get their turn to bring them to justice, right on.

596
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

597
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 1>So starting with Thailand where he was arrested, right bring

598
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 1>them to Canadian soil, he'll get arrested, get tried, do

599
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>jail time, Send him to the next country, get arrested,

600
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>get tried, get jail time. Basically, so on and so

601
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>on until he lives out his life kept behind bars. Basically,

602
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.039
<v Speaker 1>what like.

603
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, hearing about this sort of justice system, Like it

604
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>just seems like a waste of resources. I get that

605
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 2>every country kind of wants their bit, but just lock

606
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 2>them up in one place he just stays there. Is

607
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that me being evil? It's just because why we're flying

608
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 2>him all over the place, like he did something really bad,

609
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Just lock him up and then he just kind of

610
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>stays there.

611
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I get what you're saying, But at the same time,

612
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like he didn't commit the crime in Canada.

613
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, what he did in Thailand should have been life.

614
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I think he Almos should have stayed

615
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>there forever.

616
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I agree, okay, but I don't know the laws and

617
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 1>legislation in Thailand though, right, I know. But anyways, handing

618
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>off from country to country, That of course, is not

619
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>how it all played out. On October third, twenty twelve,

620
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 1>not even a week after he was arrested on Canadian soil,

621
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Christopher got to walk free. What on the condition if

622
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 1>he agreed on some basic rules. He was to never

623
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.279
<v Speaker 1>own a vice that connected to the Internet again, and

624
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 1>that he would stay away from parks, schools, playgrounds and

625
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>register as a sex offender.

626
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow wow, yeah.

627
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 1>So, not even a week after he's arrested in Canada,

628
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>they're letting him walk fucking walk.

629
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>That is just whacked.

630
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Now, technically that's because most of the crimes he

631
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>committed were not in Canadian soil.

632
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, that's what I was kind of thinking. Did

633
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 2>he do any of this? Oh okay, that's.

634
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, shared the photographs in Canada, that's it. That is

635
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>something though, that is But yet they still let him

636
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>walk a week later, and it's like, you can't you

637
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>can't have a phoneo computer, and you're a sex offender. Now, yeah,

638
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not cool in my opinion. No, of course Christopher agreed.

639
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, okay, I'll agree to that, and so

640
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 1>of course he agreed, and of course he reoffended.

641
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that is just so brutal. That is so disgusting.

642
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh I am so fucking pissed over this. Yeah, you

643
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 1>have no idea. Ten months later, Oh.

644
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, like this is I'm just pissed.

645
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>On August second, twenty thirteen, Christopher was arrested in his

646
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 1>home for breach of agreement. He was found with a

647
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 1>phone and a laptop in his possession. Now, on those devices,

648
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 1>he was found with child pornogas.

649
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Does he really?

650
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

651
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not fucking surprising, though it's not.

652
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>He was found with twenty five images, to be exact,

653
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>two of which included images of him in his signature like.

654
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.159
<v Speaker 2>He shook, like he did it again.

655
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming though I don't know. I'm assuming these are

656
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>old photographs I mean, but new to authorities, because I

657
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.360
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine he would reply the same swirl filter like

658
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe, but but like.

659
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Who knows what he was actually doing in those ten months. Yeah,

660
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 2>he totally could have been committing these crimes, not just

661
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 2>like having them, but like doing them again very much.

662
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 2>So oh that is just heartbreaking, disgusting.

663
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 1>So Christopher had gotten these devices almost immediately after he

664
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>was released after agreeing to never having them right, and

665
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 1>was using these devices to access his previous creepy corners

666
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Internet. He was messaging other individuals and presumably

667
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 1>sharing images back and forth. In one chat log, he

668
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>was found to be talking with an individual and was

669
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>quoted saying, quote the swirl liveth still the hatred.

670
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>My blood is boiling.

671
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

672
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is is this motherfucker was probably just

673
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>laughing his ass off, like I like, he got away

674
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>with this. Yep, Oh my gosh. I ah, okay.

675
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm right there with this.

676
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 2>This is unreal.

677
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 1>I am right there with you. And I can't believe

678
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it took me this long to find this fucking case

679
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.639
<v Speaker 1>because this guy is he lives an eight hour driveway.

680
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm surprised that I had never heard of

681
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 2>him either.

682
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's wild. So it was also found that Christopher

683
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 1>had now been shown how to access the deep web. Now,

684
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the deep web is a portion of the Internet that

685
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>is hidden behind kind of like closed doors. You kind

686
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 1>of almost have to be like a quasi hacker to

687
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>get in there. It's where one can move untraced and

688
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>access back doors and websites dangerous, very creepy, dark shit.

689
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 1>He can basically move across the Internet untraced now. He

690
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>pleaded guilty in October of the same year to child pornography,

691
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and his sentencing occurred on May sixth of twenty fourteen,

692
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>at which time he received a prison sentence of three

693
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>months plus three years of probation for breach of conditions,

694
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>namely possessing devices capable of accessing the Internet, to which

695
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>on December twenty fifteen, Christopher would be sentenced to a

696
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>total of a mind blowing five and a half years

697
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in prison by a British Columbia court. Wow, a time

698
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that would later be reduced because of time served to

699
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen months.

700
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 2>That is just so disappointing.

701
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 1>He was subsequently released on March twenty seventeen and is

702
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>currently living in Vancouver with a court ordered restriction no

703
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>different than before. No devices. You're a registered defender and

704
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you got to stay away from playgrounds and schools and stuff.

705
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Cool.

706
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same rules that he agreed to before and

707
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>broke immediately after only this time, now he can move

708
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 1>on the Internet untraced via the dark Web.

709
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Yep. That's so disturbing and so scary and makes me

710
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>literally never want to go back to Vancouverever for some reason.

711
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, Oh, that is so sad.

712
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:06.039
<v Speaker 1>It's so fucked up. Ultimately, Christopher aka mister Swirl is

713
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>living as a freeman after committing these absolutely horrific acts

714
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 1>on children and proving that he did not want to

715
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>He could not be reformed, did not want to be reformed,

716
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 1>though now he swears he is, but he was let

717
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>go on the conditions he was going to be reformed,

718
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 1>and he just immediately the Swirl liveth on or whatever

719
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the fuck he said.

720
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, and oh my gosh, because he's probably still doing something.

721
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Probably he's a true human piece of fucking trash. I

722
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hope he listens to this episode right now and he

723
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>hears me say that he's a piece of shit.

724
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because yeah, I literally even no words. The

725
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's just roaming the streets like it almost

726
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 2>seems like this is a bad dream. That is so

727
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>disturbing and scary. Yeah, holy shit, Okay.

728
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>That's the story of mister Squirrel.

729
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow. I mean, what kind of job or anything could

730
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you even get after that having this on your record.

731
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

732
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Is he of the same name and everything? I don't know,

733
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>because well, he's probably changed it, to be.

734
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Honest, probably by now. Yeah. Wow, But he is a

735
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>registered sex offender, whether he has changed his name or not.

736
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't even sure if registered sex offenders can

737
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 2>change names or work.

738
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>That might actually be part of it. I don't know

739
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 1>if you can. Holy heck, are you good? No? I'm

740
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:52.119
<v Speaker 1>not actually, I'm honestly right there with you. It baffles

741
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 1>me that the Canadian government let him do that and

742
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>let him get away twice.

743
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 2>They had one job and they like failed it twice.

744
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>They let a predator go mm hmm. They gave him

745
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a slap on the wrist after he did all those

746
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 1>horrific things. Yep, and then he did it again and

747
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>they just gave him a slap on the wrist again.

748
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, gosh, because the thing is there, there

749
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 2>has to be things like is he I don't know.

750
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 2>They have to be monitoring this somehow right going forward

751
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>for the rest of his life. But then there's probably

752
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>so much opportunity for him to to get away with

753
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>things without them knowing.

754
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely.

755
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 2>So if that's the case, then he can't be trusted

756
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and he just something needs to happen that he's not

757
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, like hot and able to harm people.

758
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>He needs locked up. Yeah, he needs to be locked

759
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>up for fucking life.

760
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if they cannot guarantee that he's you know,

761
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>good and like has changed, which, how do you even

762
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.159
<v Speaker 2>do that? Like, there's no way that this person should

763
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 2>be walking around the streets because there's no way.

764
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>He could one hundred percent be doing the same thing

765
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.639
<v Speaker 1>to kids out there right.

766
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Now because kids are everywhere. They've limited where he can

767
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 2>go and stuff. But like kids are everywhere. You go

768
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to the grocery store, you go to like the mall

769
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, anywhere you're gonna go. Yeah, you go to

770
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the beach, like anywhere. Yep, Okay, this is fucked. I know.

771
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 1>I can see you writhing in your seat right now.

772
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I know. I'm just like really angry about this case.

773
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 2>My chest is probably blotchy. I'm so mad.

774
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 1>There's very few things that make me not proud to

775
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 1>be Canadian. This is one of the things that really

776
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 1>makes me disgusted with being Canadian. Yeah, because I can't

777
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 1>believe our government let that happen.

778
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, and you know, it'd be interesting because

779
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.320
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I feel like justice system Canada is pretty soft.

780
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And I've said this before, but I don't know if

781
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>it's softer than other areas or what. It'd be interesting

782
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to know that, you know, or could this. I mean,

783
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Thailand did let him go too, right, but he.

784
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.599
<v Speaker 1>At least served five years there, But.

785
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 2>He did serve some time here, but not even five years,

786
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 2>was it.

787
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 1>No, he was sentenced to five but he served fifteen

788
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 1>months with time served.

789
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow, So I.

790
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Guess pre prosecution. Maybe he was locked up for a while,

791
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 1>but even still he walked free for half of that

792
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>anyways too, because he he reoffended and everything.

793
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, sometimes I understand, like I get there's

794
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 2>so many people out there that believe in rehabilitation, and

795
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I totally think in some cases it can work. But

796
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 2>then the fact if you gave someone the opportunity to

797
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>be rehabilitated and then they fucked up again, it's like done,

798
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>like there's no more.

799
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.559
<v Speaker 1>It's not only that he fucked up again. He immediately

800
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>immediately went and got these devices, got online learn how

801
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 1>to circumvent getting caught again and bragged the swirl Livith. Yeah,

802
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.039
<v Speaker 1>so he's not only proving that he can't be reformed,

803
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 1>he's proving he doesn't want to be reformed. In fact,

804
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>he's proud of what he's done, even after the fact

805
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm being caught and let go. Yeah, he's literally laughing

806
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>in the face of authorities.

807
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Because how like they had that many photos to you.

808
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he says like two or three hundred or something.

809
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>So he messed up that many times. Like he is

810
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 2>an addiction. He like even he needs to be go

811
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>in like a mental institute or something. Yeah, getting like

812
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>help and like really making sure that he's can be

813
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>on the streets because I question, Yeah he shouldn't be.

814
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:49.639
<v Speaker 1>But I mean he is in the streets right now.

815
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>And God, I hope he has reformed. I so hope

816
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's a model citizen. I hope he's turned his

817
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 1>life around.

818
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 2>We can only like pray jeez. Yeah, wow, So because

819
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 2>if he's not, like, Lord help us all. I sound

820
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 2>very religious and in those last few sentences, didn't I.

821
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Nicole found God in this episode just like praying over here.

822
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

823
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sorry to bring that episode to you guys,

824
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>but it's definitely one that I wanted to bring more

825
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.079
<v Speaker 1>to the forefront. If you haven't heard about it before,

826
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you have now, no.

827
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Shit, I'm surprised that I haven't heard of that. I'm shocked.

828
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I was baffled when I first learned of it.

829
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean I actually was okay that I haven't heard

830
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of it.

831
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, not so much now, I guess. Thank you guys

832
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 1>for being here, Thank you for listening. If you're still here,

833
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely amazing. All of our stuff is in the

834
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>description below. You've heard this feel before. Patreon's there, Instagram, Facebook,

835
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 1>you name it. It's all there, even Fearful, our other

836
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>podcast with Jacko. Yeah, but I'm going to stop there.

837
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 1>You've heard it all. You guys are awesome. What do

838
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 1>you do. I've got a little bit of whiskey left.

839
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>You got to go finish a drink.

840
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I made sure I poured a whiskey for this episode.

841
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I I didn't say anything, and I was like, okay,

842
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 2>is that how I can judge? Now? If the episodes

843
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 2>are real harsh, depending if you have a beer whiskey.

844
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>You have to there's there's a preset what's the word

845
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for, not a presept There's something else you

846
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>got to judge first. You have to ask yourself, did

847
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Ben have a bad day? If Ben had a bad

848
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>day and it's having a whiskey, then the podcast might

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<v Speaker 1>not be a bad one. But if Ben had a

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<v Speaker 1>good day and it's having a whiskey, the podcast episode

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<v Speaker 1>is fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the standards there that you got to look for.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you guys so much for being here. We

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<v Speaker 1>will see you next week or talk to you next

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<v Speaker 1>week and until.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, Stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't a very long, Stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm getting shorter.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, give us a long one.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay. Oh man, I'm not gonna get the pressures on,

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<v Speaker 2>the pressures on.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, i'll do it. I'll do it, Stay Wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>That was okay, it was okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That was better than you or it was