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Speaker 5: Christina Pascucci is here for sanon today.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the first day of school. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to be in your.
Speaker 2: Midst You completely overdressed for one thing, I know, but
Speaker 2: I made up for.
Speaker 1: It because I have slippers on on the bottom, professional
Speaker 1: on top, slippers on the.
Speaker 5: Bottom because it is going to get cold in here.
Speaker 4: And I have my blanket too.
Speaker 2: That's very smart. Those are very wise choices for you.
Speaker 2: There were some breaking news to tell you about. Just
Speaker 2: before the show started. Amy mentioned that Ethel Kennedy has
Speaker 2: died at the age of ninety six. This is rfk's widow,
Speaker 2: Kennedy family matriarch, had suffered a stroke in her sleep
Speaker 2: last week. They just announced that. I think it was
Speaker 2: yesterday that they announced that part of it. They said
Speaker 2: that she died this morning in a hospital in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: obviously surrounded by family.
Speaker 1: She is a well known human rights advocate, and she
Speaker 1: had a long life, ninety six years old.
Speaker 2: Ninety six is extra innings and she that seems to
Speaker 2: be pretty common outside of Kennedy's who have their lives
Speaker 2: taken from them. I mean, Kennedys tend to live pretty long.
Speaker 2: Consumer prices up two point four percent from a year
Speaker 2: earlier in September, according to new numbers that came out
Speaker 2: of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Higher than expected actually,
Speaker 2: which was two point four but it has gone down
Speaker 2: a little bit. Diddy is back in court this afternoon.
Speaker 2: The expectation he's going to demand that he's released on
Speaker 2: bail when he goes to court today.
Speaker 4: I bet he will.
Speaker 2: The audacity of asking for that now that I mean,
Speaker 2: now that he's been indicted, and now that we've seen
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty more lawsuits that will be filed
Speaker 2: against him, And I don't know, if you heard Tony Busby,
Speaker 2: this is the tourney out of Houston, who's been taken
Speaker 2: all these calls. He said that he fielded three thousand
Speaker 2: calls originally and then came up with one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty lawsuits and then announced a ditty hotline. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is where we are nowadays, but that they will
Speaker 2: also have probably hundreds more come out of the calls
Speaker 2: that he's received.
Speaker 1: As them no doubt, and as egregious as it already is,
Speaker 1: I think we've barely skimmed the surface of what we're
Speaker 1: going to find out, including some of the other big
Speaker 1: names that may have been involved, and it will be
Speaker 1: very interesting to see.
Speaker 4: This thing is just cracking open.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that while the other big
Speaker 2: names not is it big names that were potentially victimized?
Speaker 2: Was it big names that are just witnesses or is
Speaker 2: it big names that were also allowing this to happen
Speaker 2: and having some hand in creating these situations for these people?
Speaker 4: All of the above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't even think, I mean, we're so
Speaker 1: desensitized today because we see it all, it seems and
Speaker 1: with this, I don't know, it sounds like just what
Speaker 1: horror films are made of.
Speaker 4: And I saw this story.
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington ran out yelling it diddy from a party
Speaker 1: years ago. And so even people who didn't partake, I
Speaker 1: think knew something was going on. And what's the implications
Speaker 1: for those people. I mean, all of it is very
Speaker 1: interesting to consider.
Speaker 2: The big news, of course, is Hurricane Milton has made
Speaker 2: its way across the state of Florida. It's now out
Speaker 2: off of Cape Canaveral. Some of the incredible images that
Speaker 2: we have seen, for example, the roof being ripped off
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Rays Stadium. I didn't realize that that
Speaker 2: thing was all cloth. Now it's all gone. Governor Rohn
Speaker 2: de Santis is about to give a response or an update,
Speaker 2: an update, I should say, on the hurricane response. So
Speaker 2: we'll keep an eye on updates like that throughout the morning.
Speaker 2: But he did say this earlier today.
Speaker 6: Storm did bring much destruction and damage. Tornadoes ravage parts
Speaker 6: of the East coast so the state. Flooding occurred on
Speaker 6: the west and east coast, and strong winds lashed the state,
Speaker 6: especially in Penelas, Hillsboro, Manatee and Sarasota counties.
Speaker 5: One of the odd things that happened. Was we warned.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we everybody was warned about the storm surgeon In
Speaker 2: some places it was, you know, twelve to fifteen feet high,
Speaker 2: like they were expecting. But there were portions of Tampa
Speaker 2: Bay specifically where they saw what they referred to as
Speaker 2: a negative storm Sirch.
Speaker 1: A lot of places where the water count pulled out
Speaker 1: towards sea, and it was just very eerie because that
Speaker 1: area is usually inundated with water and they saw the
Speaker 1: bottom of the seafloor. And I didn't realize tornadoes were
Speaker 1: such a big part of hurricanes. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's been as significant in the past.
Speaker 4: As it was during this storm. Or is it just
Speaker 4: that I didn't hear about it as much.
Speaker 2: I've seen tornado warnings go up with hurricane warnings and watches,
Speaker 2: but I've never seen them materialize in the numbers that
Speaker 2: we saw yesterday, which was one hundred plus different tornadoes.
Speaker 1: Perhaps that touch potato warnings. Yeah, and then I think
Speaker 1: at least twenty hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a couple in Fort Myers. Some of
Speaker 2: the damage. And again, when you think of hurricanes, you
Speaker 2: think of the wind speed, because that's how we gauge
Speaker 2: how strong the hurricane is, what category it is.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: But it's not even necessarily the winds that cause the
Speaker 2: most damage. I mean, the most spectacular damage may be
Speaker 2: in tearing the roof off of a baseball stadium. But
Speaker 2: it's the flooding, it's the storm surge. It's the power
Speaker 2: outages that are going to exist for the next several
Speaker 2: days for some people.
Speaker 1: And yeah, millions of people without power, including my in
Speaker 1: laws who were in Orlando and they had a bat
Speaker 1: They thought they.
Speaker 4: Were over prepared.
Speaker 1: They've been through a million hurricanes and they kind of thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we're good. We have a generator, and then
Speaker 1: it turns out their power goes out and the generator
Speaker 1: doesn't turn on.
Speaker 3: Yikes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not good.
Speaker 1: So right now they were going to talk to us
Speaker 1: later today and they said, we've got to figure out
Speaker 1: this generator situation. They have no cell service at their house.
Speaker 1: They have to drive out to try to get cell service.
Speaker 1: And another person who I know who lives in Saint Pete,
Speaker 1: a little bit closer where the storm hit initially, and
Speaker 1: she said she's been a Florida in her entire life.
Speaker 4: She's never seen a storm quite like this.
Speaker 2: One of the things that happens in the aftermath of
Speaker 2: destruction like this, whether it's man made or nature made,
Speaker 2: this is an opportunity for people to step up and
Speaker 2: find a way to help out. Even if you can't
Speaker 2: go to places like Florida or Georgia, North Carolina who've
Speaker 2: been ravaged in the last couple of weeks, you can
Speaker 2: definitely give to people who are doing it.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk to one of those people
Speaker 1: who's doing that right now, Franklin Graham, he's president of Smardan's.
Speaker 4: Percy joins us, Franklin, are you here with us with you?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for taking the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: we know there are thousands of people on the ground
Speaker 1: doing the incredible work responding to not only Milton but
Speaker 1: also Helene like your organization has been. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us what you've been seeing on the ground.
Speaker 7: Well, with the storm overnight in Florida, Milton, We've got
Speaker 7: we were working in Tampa and in Perry, Florida. We
Speaker 7: pulled those teams back up into Georgia into a safe zone.
Speaker 7: The team to Perry is already back to one in Tampa,
Speaker 7: should be in in this afternoon and we'll be set
Speaker 7: up in those locations continuing to help the people from
Speaker 7: the previous hurricane. Now we have another third team that
Speaker 7: will be going and we'll wait this afternoon to decide
Speaker 7: where we assess at. We've already had people on the
Speaker 7: ground up around Saint Petersburg. Not as much flooding as
Speaker 7: we thought of there, but a lot of tree damage
Speaker 7: in these retirement centers and retirement villages, so a lot
Speaker 7: of people out they're gonna need help. These are people
Speaker 7: who are fixed income, people don't have a lot of money,
Speaker 7: but trees have damaged their homes. So we're going to
Speaker 7: cut those trees up and help them repair their to
Speaker 7: keep them from leaking. Then down put the Gordas to
Speaker 7: the south and the Fort Myers area a lot more flooding.
Speaker 7: I think we had a quite a bit more. Uh
Speaker 7: maybe the tide search there was a much higher. So
Speaker 7: we're looking at going in there. Uh probably maybe late
Speaker 7: this afternoon and maybe in the morning. But you have
Speaker 7: to let the roads clear, you have to let uh,
Speaker 7: you know, the local authorities get the power lines off
Speaker 7: the roads and the trees off the roads and those
Speaker 7: sort of sort of things. So things are moving a
Speaker 7: little bit slow right now, but by this afternoon it'd
Speaker 7: be a lot better. And then of course, uh, Hurricane Helene.
Speaker 7: We just uh, we're still dealing with that here in
Speaker 7: the Carolinas, where you have hundreds of people that are
Speaker 7: still missing.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: This was a storm that uh, you know, we talk
Speaker 7: about a thousand year event. I don't know, but we've
Speaker 7: never seen anything like it. Little tiny streams became raging rivers,
Speaker 7: and it just the slides, the infrastructured damage, power lines
Speaker 7: down the roads, not not just a section rope, but
Speaker 7: some cases miles of road are gone, and the bridges
Speaker 7: of the mud slides. So their whole sections of the
Speaker 7: of the western part of the state that are that
Speaker 7: are just cut off. People can't can't go left, they
Speaker 7: can't go right, and they're just stuck in it. Now
Speaker 7: they can walk out, and we've talked to people as
Speaker 7: take you know, ten hours to walk out, so that
Speaker 7: for an elderly person that that's just not possible. So
Speaker 7: you've got to fly in. So we've we've been we've
Speaker 7: been using helicopters. We will by the end of today,
Speaker 7: we'll have over one hundred and sixty flights that we
Speaker 7: have made. We have the US military helping US National Guards,
Speaker 7: helping US businesses, people like Joe Gibbs Racing U his
Speaker 7: corporate helicopter. You know, he's he's loaned that in his
Speaker 7: pilots to help Rick Hendrick, same thing, Rick Hendrick Racing. Uh,
Speaker 7: They've they've loaned their helicopters. So we're just grateful for
Speaker 7: the businesses that have come beside us, the military that
Speaker 7: come beside us. We're holding out generators fuel. Elon Musk
Speaker 7: has provided starlinks. We've got those set up, and but
Speaker 7: the things with the starlinks, we have to send a technician.
Speaker 7: You just you know, it's a little overwhelming to hand
Speaker 7: somebody something like that. They don't know quite what to do,
Speaker 7: so you have to have an it person help them
Speaker 7: just plug it in and get it going. And so
Speaker 7: we send those guys out too in the helicopters. But
Speaker 7: it's it's been it's been tough. It's but we're just
Speaker 7: thankful for the people that have that have helped and
Speaker 7: these volunteers, and it's just so many neighbors are helping
Speaker 7: neighbors and it just puts a lot of faith back
Speaker 7: in the American people.
Speaker 1: That's true, and from what I understand, you guys actually
Speaker 1: have volunteers who lost their own homes and helen.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes we do, and we've got you know, it's
Speaker 7: just it's just the spirit of of the people that
Speaker 7: just get you excited. Christ. They're just people that are
Speaker 7: willing to come and work at their own expense volunteer,
Speaker 7: and yet they also have problems and they've had loss.
Speaker 7: But we're just excited to be able to respond. We
Speaker 7: always want to respond in Jesus' name, you say, I
Speaker 7: want people to know that God loves them. Sometimes people
Speaker 7: come to the storm like this they think, well, you know,
Speaker 7: maybe God's mad at me. No, God loves us. This
Speaker 7: wasn't his plan when when sin came into the world.
Speaker 7: We live in a fallen world. And and I want
Speaker 7: people to know that God loves us. He cares for us,
Speaker 7: and he sent his son from heaven to this earth
Speaker 7: to take our sins. And he died and shed his
Speaker 7: blood for our sins. And he was buried and God
Speaker 7: raised him to life. And if we put a faith
Speaker 7: in trust in him, God will forgive us of our sins.
Speaker 7: And this is this is a message we want everyone
Speaker 7: to know. And but we help we help everyone regardless.
Speaker 7: And uh, but when we finish helping them and cleaning
Speaker 7: up their their yard or cutting the trees off, what
Speaker 7: we do is we all the volunteers will get a
Speaker 7: big circle and we present them with a Bible and
Speaker 7: all the volunteers will sign the Bible and give it
Speaker 7: to them. And every homeowner is so appreciative because they
Speaker 7: they've got something that's a that they will keep in
Speaker 7: their family. All the names of those volunteers that came
Speaker 7: to help them. Uh, you know, we had one lady
Speaker 7: that they Christian I gave one of my chaplains gave
Speaker 7: her two gallons of water. Okay, just two gallons of water.
Speaker 7: She cried. She cried over two gallons of water. And
Speaker 7: uh that's how desperate some people are. Uh. And so
Speaker 7: the need is great, and knowing Florida, the need is
Speaker 7: going to be great, and we're going to be in Florida.
Speaker 7: We're going to be down there for some time, just
Speaker 7: like we are here. But we we thank God that
Speaker 7: we're in a position to help. He's given a lot
Speaker 7: of people to help us, and we praise him and
Speaker 7: thank him for that. He's given us good weather this week.
Speaker 7: Uh so the ground is drying out. The rivers are
Speaker 7: going down here in North Carolina. We're thankful for that,
Speaker 7: and so it's going to help us just be able
Speaker 7: to get out there and work and do a better job.
Speaker 2: I choose this word in purposefully. But you guys at
Speaker 2: Samaritan's Person International Relief having a MAC just an update
Speaker 2: quickly from Governor Ronda Santis.
Speaker 5: He spoke a few minutes ago.
Speaker 9: My sense is that a lot of the people did
Speaker 9: leave who were in the evacuation zones. I know we
Speaker 9: had over eighty thousand people staying in shelters. You had
Speaker 9: massive heavy traffic on the interstates over the last several
Speaker 9: days leading up to the storm because I think people
Speaker 9: were deciding, you know, to just get out of dodge.
Speaker 9: We also can say that the storm did not produce
Speaker 9: the worst case scenario in terms of storm surge. If
Speaker 9: you remember about twenty four hours ago, maybe thirty six
Speaker 9: hours ago, the fear was a Category four strong four
Speaker 9: going into Tampa Bay, producing about fifteen feet a storm surge.
Speaker 9: That's an area with Pinellas County peninsula and then the
Speaker 9: surrounding areas in Hillsboro County that is very low lying,
Speaker 9: very susceptible to storm surge that did not end up happening.
Speaker 2: All of that good news, Still some deaths to report.
Speaker 2: Looks like most of the deaths are going to be
Speaker 2: from tornadoes actually and the damage that results in. So again,
Speaker 2: updates will come out of Florida throughout the show today
Speaker 2: and we'll definitely bring those to you. We mentioned this
Speaker 2: week the story of CBS News and whatever the world
Speaker 2: is going on at CBS News last week, Tony, You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to correct me to thank you, right, that's
Speaker 2: you said that earlier Tony Dkopple, one of the anchors
Speaker 2: of the CBS Morning Show, was interviewing I mean, he
Speaker 2: was one of three that were interviewing ton of I
Speaker 2: believe about a book that came out and just asked him, pointed,
Speaker 2: aggressive but civil questions.
Speaker 10: Why not detail anything of the first and the second
Speaker 10: into five of the cafe bombings, the bus bombings and
Speaker 10: the little kids blown to bits? And is it because
Speaker 10: you just don't believe that Israel in any condition has
Speaker 10: a right to exist.
Speaker 8: Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined,
Speaker 8: there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
Speaker 3: That's the first thing I would say.
Speaker 5: Again, calm, civil, right, normal.
Speaker 1: He asked questions as journalists should to present both sides
Speaker 1: because the book that this author wrote is pro Palestinian
Speaker 1: and doesn't really lay out both sides of a very complex,
Speaker 1: centuries old conflict, and so he was asking him, you
Speaker 1: know what a journalist should well.
Speaker 2: The heads of CBS News, Wenny McMahon Adrian Roark, decided
Speaker 2: to chastise him for the way he handled the questioning.
Speaker 5: They made him sit down with.
Speaker 2: The Race and Culture unit at CBS News and the
Speaker 2: standards team, which advises on context, tone and intention of programming,
Speaker 2: and the discussion apparently focused on his tenor and his
Speaker 2: body language during the exchange, which was again civil. You
Speaker 2: don't have to agree with either one of these guys,
Speaker 2: but it was a civil, normal discussion between two smart
Speaker 2: people hashing out their difference.
Speaker 5: Is about a very important issue.
Speaker 1: The Free Press has done some excellent reporting on this,
Speaker 1: if you want to go, check them out on Instagram
Speaker 1: or social media, and they had some audio recordings from
Speaker 1: Elite in a meeting between the people you were just
Speaker 1: talking about. And now apparently the Free Press is reporting
Speaker 1: that CBS execs are saying the question should be asked
Speaker 1: whether we should discuss whether Israel even has a right
Speaker 1: to exist, which you wouldn't say that.
Speaker 4: About any other country.
Speaker 1: And so there's someone else who's been doing some excellent
Speaker 1: reporting around this, who's a friend of mine, who are
Speaker 1: going to bring on right now.
Speaker 4: His name is Moshwa Nunu.
Speaker 1: He is the founder and editor of mo News, and
Speaker 1: he actually helped launch CBS Morning News, which is at
Speaker 1: the center of this debacle.
Speaker 4: And Mosch, we'd love to welcome you to the show.
Speaker 3: It's great to be with you, guys. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: All Right, so you saw what's happened, you saw the
Speaker 2: fallout from all of this. Does this blow your mind
Speaker 2: like it does mine?
Speaker 8: Well, let's be candidate here. I spent a decade at
Speaker 8: that place, so it does not. I wouldn't say it
Speaker 8: blows my mind. I think we started to see the
Speaker 8: origins of this.
Speaker 3: I would say around.
Speaker 8: Twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, things start to shift. I think Christina,
Speaker 8: you can speak to this as well. Where you know
Speaker 8: the news not so long ago, newsrooms are places for
Speaker 8: robust conversations, sometimes not even polite conversations.
Speaker 3: When I talked about.
Speaker 8: Internally between producers reporters, you're pashing out complicated subjects. What
Speaker 8: do you think the story is? What do you think
Speaker 8: the story is? And suddenly we start to see this
Speaker 8: and it's not altogether different from if you had on
Speaker 8: professors or university administrators. They start to see sort of
Speaker 8: gen z coming into the universities in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 8: Now they come into the workforce in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 8: and now we're almost a decade in. And now suddenly
Speaker 8: you start to get to the point where not so
Speaker 8: long ago, if you're in a newsroom and you rejected
Speaker 8: an idea about you know something you pitched I want
Speaker 8: to do a story an X and the bosses didn't
Speaker 8: like it, you go back and say, you know what,
Speaker 8: I got to make that story better. Let's figure out
Speaker 8: way make it more interesting. And I already saw and
Speaker 8: I admittedly left CBS in twenty nineteen, Starting around twenty
Speaker 8: seventeen twenty eighteen, if you've got a story rejected, and
Speaker 8: maybe you had a certain agenda in mind, you went
Speaker 8: to HR and said, I don't think management. I think
Speaker 8: management is biased and not treating me fairly and I
Speaker 8: think this is the natural evolution out of all of that,
Speaker 8: because ultimately, why was Tony condemned internally because enough people
Speaker 8: internally felt that they didn't like the way that he
Speaker 8: conducted the interview because it went against their world views.
Speaker 5: But the idea of going to.
Speaker 2: Listen, I don't know, I don't know the structure, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to help me out on this. If
Speaker 2: somebody in the newsroom, producer, editor, whatever, thought that Tony
Speaker 2: did that wrong, is the is the best mechanism to
Speaker 2: go to management?
Speaker 5: Or do you go to Tony and say I.
Speaker 3: Did to me right? Okay?
Speaker 5: I just want to make I just want.
Speaker 2: To make sure that I wasn't coming up with like
Speaker 2: I know there's a hierarchy, and I know that there's
Speaker 2: a certain amount of you know, there's still office politics
Speaker 2: that are involved there, But just Tony and say hey,
Speaker 2: I didn't like that or I thought this, or I
Speaker 2: disagreed with you.
Speaker 8: I think that again. You're seeing this more and more
Speaker 8: and I'm not going to like cast a whole generation
Speaker 8: one way. But I hear this from friends of mine
Speaker 8: who teach on college campuses, where if somebody has an
Speaker 8: issue with somebody else, or an opinion they disagree with
Speaker 8: people like, it's not natural for them to call them
Speaker 8: on the phone or.
Speaker 3: Talk to them.
Speaker 8: Instead they're tweeting or posting on social media that this
Speaker 8: person is wrong without ever having a conversation.
Speaker 3: With that person.
Speaker 8: So I think it's a culture has been created there
Speaker 8: where the knee jerk is to go to management and
Speaker 8: get it condemned. And then of course management decided to
Speaker 8: air all this publicly in front of the entire staff,
Speaker 8: instead of management perhaps going directly to Tony as opposed to,
Speaker 8: you know, making it an issue for the entire organization.
Speaker 1: We should say that there are some who came to
Speaker 1: his defense, though, like at the top of CBS News
Speaker 1: and also someone on that call in which the audio
Speaker 1: was leaked who said, look, this is part of being
Speaker 1: a journalist, is present both sides, and he did it
Speaker 1: with civility.
Speaker 8: Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 8: One of the reasons, by the way it would lead
Speaker 8: to the free press of all places, is there's clearly
Speaker 8: people who are sympathetic to Tony's viewpoint, right, and so
Speaker 8: the free press, you know, was able to certainly comes
Speaker 8: at these issues. The free press started by Barry Wife
Speaker 8: who left a place like The New York Times that
Speaker 8: dealing with some of the same issues, where the political
Speaker 8: stances of the staff have gotten so far left that
Speaker 8: people who are pretty mainstream or centrist not so long
Speaker 8: ago guys now are viewed as outcasts or right wingers.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I think that one of.
Speaker 8: The issues, philosophically speaking, is somebody who started helped start
Speaker 8: that show more than.
Speaker 3: A decade ago.
Speaker 8: It was a place to have robust conversations. It's a
Speaker 8: place to have asked challenging questions in a world in
Speaker 8: morning television where you typically, you know, was the world
Speaker 8: of fluff and cooking segments and fashion segments, et cetera.
Speaker 8: And that was the intention, and that's the technically what
Speaker 8: the copele did here. Sometimes as a journalist, you asked,
Speaker 8: you know, questions that are slightly more provocative to a
Speaker 8: listen and answer. And even the clip you guys played there,
Speaker 8: what did you hear coach effectively because of the way
Speaker 8: Tony asked the question says, yeah, you're right, I'm only
Speaker 8: presenting one of viewpoint here, and that's why I'm presenting
Speaker 8: one of viewpoints in my book Talk.
Speaker 2: With Mowanunu, founder and editor of Mo News and also
Speaker 2: had a hand in the creation of CBS Mornings back
Speaker 2: in the day. About what's going on with CBS News.
Speaker 2: Sherry Redstone right now, of course, her paramount Empire controls
Speaker 2: CBS News is now criticizing the CBS News people for
Speaker 2: the way they criticized Tony Mo.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to say his name again, Kopyl, thank.
Speaker 3: You, all right.
Speaker 5: Struggled with that for the last three days.
Speaker 4: It's a tough one.
Speaker 2: Tonydacoppel and the way that he interviewed Tanahase Coates just
Speaker 2: the other day regarding his mister Coates's new book and
Speaker 2: how Tony was like, hey, I read it, read that.
Speaker 5: Listen. He did everything. I think he did everything.
Speaker 2: The way he's supposed to do as an anchor interviewing
Speaker 2: somebody about a book when it comes to a very
Speaker 2: high profile, very controversial subject, which is make him defend it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't have to, but it's a perfectly
Speaker 2: acceptable line of questioning.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a former journalist.
Speaker 1: I worked at KTLA in Fox for many years, and
Speaker 1: to me, this is a journalist's responsibility.
Speaker 4: And Mo, I think you would agree.
Speaker 1: I'm just very concerned about where this goes from here,
Speaker 1: are some of these historically credible newsrooms going to become,
Speaker 1: you know, places for activists to push their own agendas.
Speaker 4: This doesn't seem to end well.
Speaker 8: No, it's going in the wrong direction, right. And actually,
Speaker 8: you know during the break that I was thinking about,
Speaker 8: you know, at CBS there's a rich heritage, right and
Speaker 8: literally in the hallways, you know, across from my desk
Speaker 8: there were photos of Mike Wallace and Edward R.
Speaker 3: Murrow and Walter Cronkite.
Speaker 8: And the fact that now atone the tone of questioning
Speaker 8: doesn't meet the editorial standards like this, the place that
Speaker 8: prides itself on having asked hard questions for decades, right,
Speaker 8: Like the fame is Edward R. Murrow and interviewing Joe
Speaker 8: McCarthy effectively, by the standard guys like this effectively means
Speaker 8: that anything on cable news, anything on radio, and frankly,
Speaker 8: most of the podcasts.
Speaker 3: Out there don't meet the editorial standards.
Speaker 8: Of CBS News based on this new standard they've tried
Speaker 8: to create. And I think the conservative this creates its
Speaker 8: killing effects. And that's a bit of what we got
Speaker 8: from that editorial meeting that was leaked right the free
Speaker 8: Press has audio of Jen Crawford, who I know very well,
Speaker 8: the chief legal corresponds. They're saying, I don't even know
Speaker 8: what to do moving forward. How am I supposed to
Speaker 8: ask questions? If these are the new rules?
Speaker 5: Well, I gotta tell you you're my new follow I gotta.
Speaker 4: Follow is the best. So I just have to give.
Speaker 1: MO news a shout out most I hope you don't mind,
Speaker 1: but he I have watched him create.
Speaker 4: You know this real.
Speaker 1: You have a massive following half a million people. I
Speaker 1: think you've built this into relatively quickly. I know it's
Speaker 1: taken a lot of blood, sweat and tears and patients
Speaker 1: from your wife, but it's really incredible. People trust you
Speaker 1: because you present the news in such an unbiased way, which,
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, seems to be a lost art.
Speaker 8: It's it's sadly it's become novel. I appreciate by I
Speaker 8: appreciate it. By the way, if you want to follow me,
Speaker 8: you can follow me just it's my first name on
Speaker 8: Instagram at mosha at ms agh and ivid Hailey a
Speaker 8: news podcast, the Mode News Podcast.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's.
Speaker 8: Incredible to me that in twenty twenty four something novel
Speaker 8: to say is that we're going to do something nonpartisan,
Speaker 8: and we're going to call dolls and strikes, and we're
Speaker 8: going to be transparent with people.
Speaker 3: But we know and what we don't know because.
Speaker 8: To your point, Christina, increasingly it does feel like newsrooms
Speaker 8: are full of activists and there's only a right point
Speaker 8: of view and even the idea of pushback. There are
Speaker 8: only certain ideas and certain viewpoints that you should be
Speaker 8: pushing back on these days, and others are not to
Speaker 8: be questioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my concern is that all the good ones
Speaker 1: are going to leave the newsrooms because they're fed up
Speaker 1: with this, and then what's left will be the ones
Speaker 1: who are pushing that agenda. So I think my I
Speaker 1: don't know how much time we have left, Gary, but
Speaker 1: I think my final question would be what do we do?
Speaker 1: We can't just let this go unchecked?
Speaker 4: What can we do?
Speaker 1: Consumers of news, people who are listening right now, what
Speaker 1: action can they take?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting, Ultimately, the viewership, the listenership,
Speaker 8: the readership is going to dictate what these newsrooms do.
Speaker 8: If they see continuing loss of audience, then they know
Speaker 8: they have to do something different. So I think it's
Speaker 8: important these days to let you know news organizations that
Speaker 8: you like or that you think are relevant to your life.
Speaker 8: Let them know what you think, and hopefully they will
Speaker 8: be a responsive to that, because I think we're dealing
Speaker 8: with a larger societal issue here that people don't trust
Speaker 8: the media, and stuff like this only reinforces distrust, so
Speaker 8: people trust to alternate sources which are not as trustworthy
Speaker 8: and don't have journalistic standards, and then we find ourselves
Speaker 8: in a predicament where we're at where this week I'm
Speaker 8: being asked by people whether the government is creating hurricanes,
Speaker 8: because that's you know, that's a question that people are.
Speaker 3: Asking because they so distrust the media.
Speaker 5: Mo Founder, editor of Monews.
Speaker 2: Check them out Momo dot newsmo dot News or at
Speaker 2: Mosha like you said ms h eh on social media.
Speaker 8: Mo.
Speaker 5: Great to meet you and thanks for taking time.
Speaker 4: Thank you You're the best.
Speaker 3: Love to talk to you, guys. I'll be back anytime.
Speaker 3: All right.
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