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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's do this. You guys requested this one alatady.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're diving into tour and the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh yeah, this should be a fun one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little scary, to be honest, but it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those Internet things everyone's heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Of, right, It's like one of those urban legends exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's like uncover the myth. We've got some great sources,

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<v Speaker 1>a beginner's guide to tour, descriptions of the deep Web

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<v Speaker 1>and darknet. Oh, and even some lists of actual dark websites.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, real dark website.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So maybe a little scary after all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh maybe. But seriously, though, there's a lot of confusion

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<v Speaker 2>about what tour even.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, right, like, is it good bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our sources make it clear that it's not inherently either.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just technology. Think of it like a really really

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<v Speaker 2>good lock on your digital door.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, a lock so anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Can use it exactly. And that's where things get well complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>Because like some people use locks to protect their homes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and other people use them to you know, hide legal

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<v Speaker 1>stuff exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>With tor we see both sides of that coin. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got journalists in oppressive regimes using it to communicate safely

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<v Speaker 2>whistleblowers exposing corruption without getting caught.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm starting to see the lock analogy. So the

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<v Speaker 1>lock itself isn't good or bad, it's how people use.

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<v Speaker 2>It, right, and our sources really highlight that duality.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so before we get into all the ways people

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<v Speaker 1>use TOR, let's actually break down what it is and

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<v Speaker 1>how it works. Sure, our source calls it the onion router,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't know about you, but that makes me

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<v Speaker 1>think of food.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, yeah, not quite the right image here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>think of an onion. But instead of layers of well onion,

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<v Speaker 2>it has layers of encryption. And those layers they hide

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<v Speaker 2>your Internet traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so each layer is like a disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it makes it almost impossible to trace your

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<v Speaker 2>activity back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm intrigued, But how does that actually work? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it magic?

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<v Speaker 2>Ha huh?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well sort of, but seriously, it's clever engineering. Imagine a

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<v Speaker 2>relay race. Your data, instead of being sent directly to

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<v Speaker 2>the website you're visiting, goes through these relay stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Relay stations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're called nodes, and there are three of them, Entry, Middle,

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<v Speaker 2>and exit three.

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<v Speaker 1>So my data is just bouncing all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and here's the key. Each node it only knows

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<v Speaker 2>where the data came from before it and where it's

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<v Speaker 2>going next.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so no single node knows the full path exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone trying to track you, they hit a dead

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<v Speaker 2>end at each node. They can't see the whole picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, that's actually pretty cool. So it's like my

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<v Speaker 1>data is passing a secret message along and each person

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<v Speaker 1>only knows their little part exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's called onion routing. You'd have to peel

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<v Speaker 2>back all those layers to get to the core, and

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<v Speaker 2>even then you still might not know where it came

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<v Speaker 2>from originally.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I think I'm getting tour now. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>super secure way to browse the Internet anonymously.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what are we actually accessing with this onion routing?

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the deep web and dark web come.

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<v Speaker 2>In, right, you got it? Now it gets interesting, Hit

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<v Speaker 2>me with it. Our source uses this iceberg analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, okay, picturing an iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>So the tick the part everyone sees above the water,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the surface web.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So like Google, Facebook, Amazon, all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, all the stuff you can find with a regular

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<v Speaker 2>search engine. Now below the surface, that's where the deep

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<v Speaker 2>web starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so what's down there?

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<v Speaker 2>It's all the content that's not indexed by those regular

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<v Speaker 2>search engines.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so like what give me examples.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about your online banking You can't just google your

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<v Speaker 2>account balance, right, that's because it's on the deep web.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with things like a company's internal network or government databases.

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<v Speaker 2>Our source actually mentions a really specific one, the Denver

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<v Speaker 2>Property Assessment and Taxation system.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm seeing that the deep web isn't automatically

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<v Speaker 1>bad or.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything, right, It's just not hidden. You usually need special

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<v Speaker 2>credentials to access it, like a password or a subscription.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I think I'm starting to get it. Deep web

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<v Speaker 1>hidden but not necessarily bad. But then we have the

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<v Speaker 1>dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we're going deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>So what makes it dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a smaller part of the deep web, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally hidden, like way down at the bottom of that iceberg,

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<v Speaker 2>and you need special software to even get there, like

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<v Speaker 2>tour exactly. Tour is like the key that unlocks the

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<v Speaker 2>door to the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and this is where we find the scary stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, unfortunately. Remember those dark website lists we have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they mentioned things like marketplaces for drugs, weapons, stolen data,

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<v Speaker 2>even stuff like hitman services and child pornography.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, Okay, yeah that took a dark turn, like seriously dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's heavy stuff and it definitely gives the dark web

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<v Speaker 2>a bad reputation for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So who are the people using tour to access all

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<v Speaker 1>of this? Is it just like criminals and hoodies in

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<v Speaker 1>dark rooms?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh not at all. Our sources actually paint a

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<v Speaker 2>much more diverse picture. Think about Edward Snowden, the NSA guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he used tour to leak all that classified information right right.

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<v Speaker 1>So door can be used for whistleblowing exposing corruption exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And think about activists during the Arab Spring uprisings. They

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<v Speaker 2>use tour to organize protests without being tracked by their governments.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, so tour can be used for fighting for freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>exposing the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's powerful stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that tour can be a tool for like

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<v Speaker 1>real good. But obviously there's that dark side too, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And somewhere in the middle you have everyday people who

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<v Speaker 2>are just concerned about online privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Which, honestly, these days that's a valid concern totally.

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<v Speaker 2>They might use tour to avoid being tracked by advertisers,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, or to access websites that are blocked in

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<v Speaker 2>their country.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like tour is a digital shield for

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<v Speaker 1>some people.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a way to protect themselves, their identity, their information.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you're right, it can also be a mask

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<v Speaker 2>for the people doing illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>Things, right, And that's what makes it so complicated, this

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<v Speaker 1>one tool, tour. It could be used by both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the duality of technology, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which, we have those specific examples of dark websites.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are not what I expected, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>chess it's for anonymous chess games.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not all about illegal activity on the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people simply value their anonymity, even for something as

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<v Speaker 2>simple as a game.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of get that, Like you're not worried about

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<v Speaker 1>your opponent judging.

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<v Speaker 2>You exactly, It levels the playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we have pro Publica that's a legitimate award winning

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<v Speaker 1>journalism site. Right, what are they doing on the dark web?

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how they get their information, whistleblowers, sources risking

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<v Speaker 2>their lives to expose wrongdoing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they need a safe way to communicate.

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<v Speaker 2>The dark web gives them that. Our source also mentions

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<v Speaker 2>secure drop, which is specifically designed for anonymous communication with journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>So tour in the dark web are actually helping to

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<v Speaker 1>hold the powerful accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a powerful tool for transparency and accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I'm really seeing both sides now. Okay, so we've

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<v Speaker 1>got anonymous chess secure communication for journalists. What else is

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's Grams, which is like the Google of the

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<v Speaker 2>dark web. It's a search engine specifically for finding dark websites.

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<v Speaker 1>So even the dark web has its own Google wild Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It shows you that this isn't just a random collection

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<v Speaker 2>of sites. There's infrastructure, there, a whole system.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a hidden world running parallel to the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>We know absolutely, and that's what makes it so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but with all this talk about anonymity and hidden websites,

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<v Speaker 1>got asked, is any of this legal?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>The legal question, like, is it illegal to just browse

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<v Speaker 1>the dark web?

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<v Speaker 2>That's where things get a bit tricky. Browsing itself, just

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<v Speaker 2>looking around that's not illegal in most places.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can satisfy my curiosity without getting arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably, However, accessing or engaging with illegal content that's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>against the law.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, I can look at the menu, but I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't order anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a good way to put it. You're walking through

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous neighborhood. You can look around, but maybe don't

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<v Speaker 2>go down any dark alleys.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good advice. But even if I'm just browsing, there

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<v Speaker 1>are still risks.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, law enforcement agencies they are monitoring the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>So anonymity isn't foolproof.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. Plus there's malware, scams, all those digital dangers

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<v Speaker 2>lurking in the shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you got to be extra cautious when

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<v Speaker 1>venturing into the dark web. But before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>all the safety tips, let's actually dig into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things you might find there, both the good and

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<v Speaker 1>the bad. Like what's really going on in those dark

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<v Speaker 1>web marketplaces?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you ready to go deeper?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. I'm a little scared but also really curious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the spirit. It really is a mixed bag. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got those dark corners, for sure, but then you also

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<v Speaker 2>find things that are well, surprisingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Normal, normal like cat videos.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, maybe not that normal, but think private forums and chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Rooms okay, like anonymous message boards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like an anonymous version of Reddit.

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<v Speaker 2>People can discuss anything they want without revealing their identities.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. So it's like a digital masquerade ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's hiding behind a.

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<v Speaker 2>Mask, exactly, and that can lead to some really interesting conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>You have people discussing politics, philosophy, art, everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about illegal activities.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, There's a whole social aspect to the dark web

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<v Speaker 2>that often gets overlooked. People craving that sense of freedom

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<v Speaker 2>and anonymity that you just don't get on the regular Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I imagine that's especially appealing for people in countries

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<v Speaker 1>with strict Internet censorship.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the dark web can be a lifeline for them,

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<v Speaker 2>a way to connect with the outside world access information

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<v Speaker 2>that's otherwise blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a tool for freedom of speech in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say that it gives a voice to those

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've got forums, chat rooms, anything else surprising

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<v Speaker 2>Well, believe it or not, there are even academic journals

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, really, academic journals? Why would those be on the

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<v Speaker 2>A few reasons. Actually, Sometimes it's about protecting the authors

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<v Speaker 1>In trouble, right, makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>The dark web offers a layer of protection, a way

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that makes sense. So it's like a digital safe

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<v Speaker 2>Be suppressed exactly. And then sometimes it's just about reaching

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<v Speaker 2>a wider audience. Not everyone has access to expensive academic databases,

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<v Speaker 2>but the dark web, anyone with the know how can

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. So it's like democratizing knowledge in a way, making

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It challenges the traditional gatekeepers of information and creates

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<v Speaker 2>new possibilities for sharing knowledge. It's quite fascinating when you

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's like flipping the script on the whole

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<v Speaker 2>World in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so we've got forums, chat rooms, academic journals.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing that the dark web's more diverse than I

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's a whole world down there. Oh and

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<v Speaker 2>remember that dark web chess site we mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the chess right, for anonymous chess games, that's the one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great example of how anonymity can actually enhance

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, explain that one to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it. When you play chess online, you usually

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<v Speaker 1>True. True, it can be intimidating.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But on the chess none of that matters. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just you, your opponent and the game itself, no distractions.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually kind of love that, pure strategy, pure competition.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's a playing chess in the park with a

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<v Speaker 1>You can just focus on the game itself without all

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<v Speaker 1>the other baggage exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating example of how anonymity can create a

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, I'm having to rethink some of my preconceptions

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<v Speaker 1>about the dark Web.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all bad, definitely not. There are corners of creativity, community,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's be real, we can't ignore the elephant in

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<v Speaker 1>the room. The dark web has a seriously dark side.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we have to acknowledge that.

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<v Speaker 1>Those online marketplaces we've talked about, the ones our sources described,

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<v Speaker 1>they sound kind of terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can be. It's basically a digital black market.

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<v Speaker 1>So what exactly is being bought and sold in these

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long list, and a lot of it's pretty unsettling. Drugs, weapons,

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<v Speaker 2>stolen data, counterfeit documents, hacking tools, even malware and ransomware.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, anything illegal or difficult to obtain in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world, you can probably find it on the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, yes, and the anonymity that tour provides, well, it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it incredibly difficult for law enforcement to track down

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<v Speaker 2>the seller shut down these marketplaces.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a constant game of whack a mole.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good way to put it. They shut down

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<v Speaker 2>one site, another one pops up in its place, and

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<v Speaker 2>these marketplaces they're getting more sophisticated all the time. They

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<v Speaker 2>have escro services, customer reviews, even loyalty programs, just like

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate online businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they've created a parallel economy in the shadows

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<v Speaker 1>they have.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big part of what makes the dark web

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<v Speaker 2>so fascinating and so disturbing at the same time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a reflection of our own world, with all its complexities

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<v Speaker 2>and contradictions.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are some examples of these notorious dark web marketplaces?

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<v Speaker 1>Our source mentioned a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the most well known is silk Road.

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<v Speaker 2>It was shut down by the FBI back in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>but for a while it was the place to go

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<v Speaker 2>for illegal goods, online drugs, weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>You name it, silk Road. This sounds almost romantic until

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<v Speaker 1>you remember what was actually being sold there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, It's a good reminder that appearances can be deceiving,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the dark Web.

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<v Speaker 1>So Silk Road's gone, but I'm guessing there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are others, oh countless others, and they're constantly evolving, adapting

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of scary how organized it all seems.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It shows you that this isn't just a

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<v Speaker 2>few random individuals dabbling in illegal activities. This is organized

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've got marketplaces, illegal goods, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>what kinds of illegal activities are happening on the dark web.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, cybercrime is a big one. Hackers use the dark

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<v Speaker 2>web to buy and sell stolen data, hacking tools, malware.

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<v Speaker 2>They can even hire other hackers to carry out attax

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a digital underworld, it is, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A growing threat. Think about all those ransomware attacks that

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<v Speaker 2>have been happening lately, crippling businesses and even government agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of that activity originates on the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>Ransomware that's where they lock up your files and demand

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<v Speaker 1>payment to unlock them exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's digital extortion and it's a very lucrative business for

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<v Speaker 2>cyber criminals. The dark web provides them with a platform

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<v Speaker 2>to develop and distribute their malware, as well as to

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a whole criminal ecosystem, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's becoming more and more sophisticated all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've covered marketplaces cybercrime. There's one more dark

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<v Speaker 1>corner of the dark web. I want to touch on

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<v Speaker 1>our source Mangins Hitman services.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. Yes, that's definitely one of the more disturbed aspects

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<v Speaker 2>of the dark web. It's hard to say how much

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<v Speaker 2>of it is real and how much is just a scam?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, would someone really try to hire a hitman

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<v Speaker 1>through the dark web?

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<v Speaker 2>There have been cases, yes, Whether these services are legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>or just elaborate scams, it's hard to say for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that they exist at all is pretty chilling.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely chilling. Okay, okay, We've covered a lot of ground here,

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<v Speaker 1>the good, the bad, the downright terrifying. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up, let's talk about safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, super important.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone's listening to this and thinking, hmm, maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>want to check out this dark web thing, what should

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, you have to go in with a

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<v Speaker 2>clear understanding of the risks. It's a bit like exploring

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<v Speaker 2>a dense jungle. It's fascinating, but it can also be

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous if you're not careful.

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<v Speaker 1>So what kind of dangerous?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously, there's the risk of encountering illegal content, which

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<v Speaker 2>could get you in trouble with the law, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, so be careful what you click on exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are also more insidious threats like malware and

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<v Speaker 2>fishing scams.

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<v Speaker 1>Malware that's like a computer virus.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, it can infect your computers, steal your data,

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of nasty stuff and phishing scams. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>designed to trick you into giving up your personal information,

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<v Speaker 2>like your passwords or credit card details.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how do I protect myself from all of that?

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<v Speaker 2>First and foremost, never reveal any personal information on the

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<v Speaker 2>dark web, not your real name, your address, your phone number,

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<v Speaker 2>anything that could be used to identify you.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay anonymous even when I'm interacting with others on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dark web exactly. Think of it like wearing a digital mask.

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<v Speaker 2>And make sure you're using strong, unique passwords for all

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<v Speaker 1>Got it? What else? Security software is essential. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you have a good anti virus and anti malware program

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<v Speaker 1>installed and kept updated. And consider using a VPN in

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<v Speaker 1>conjunction with tour for an extra layer of protection.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, VPN plus tour, got it? Now? What about those

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<v Speaker 2>dark web marketplaces? Should I even be browsing those?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, unless you have a good reason to be there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd avoid them altogether. They're inherently risky and you could

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<v Speaker 1>easily stumble across something illegal even if you're not looking

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<v Speaker 2>So it's best to err on the side of caution.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, the dark web is a fascinating place, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also a dangerous one. If you do decide to explore it,

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<v Speaker 1>do it with a clear understanding of the risks and

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<v Speaker 1>take the necessary precautions to protect yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Great advice. Okay, I think we've covered just about everything here.

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<v Speaker 2>Any final thoughts before we wrap up.

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<v Speaker 1>The dark web is a complex and ever evolving ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a microcosm of our own world, with all its

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<v Speaker 1>light and shadow. It's a reminder that the Internet is

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<v Speaker 1>not always a safe and friendly place, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to human ingenuity and the enduring allure of anonymity.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, and for you listening, I hope this deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive has given you a better understanding of this hidden

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Internet. Remember, knowledge is power, and the

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<v Speaker 1>more we understand about the technologies that shape our world,

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<v Speaker 1>the better equipped we are to navigate them safely and responsibly.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, before we go, remember at the start of this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing you said we got a ton of requests

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<v Speaker 1>to cover tour in the dark Web. We did, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those requests came with questions, and one

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<v Speaker 1>question in particular kept popping up. It's a big one,

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<v Speaker 1>a question that really gets to the heart of what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about today. Oh yeah, it's about anonymity.

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<v Speaker 1>Given its potential for both good and bad. Is anonymity

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately a force for good or bad in today's world?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, the million dollar question. It's one that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>an easy answer, but it's definitely worth exploring. I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>buckle up because this is where things get really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is a tough one. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen how anonymity can be used to protect the vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>like those activists we talked about. Yeah, right, But then

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<v Speaker 1>it also enables criminals to operate in the shadows, hidden

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<v Speaker 1>from the law.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a classic dilemma, a tool with the potential for

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<v Speaker 2>both good and evil.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you land on this? Is anonymity more

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<v Speaker 1>of a benefit or a threat to society?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't think there's a simple answer. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>asking if fire is good or bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fire, I like that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire can warm your home, cook your food, but it

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<v Speaker 2>can also burn everything down.

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<v Speaker 1>So anonymity is kind of the same. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>used for good or bad depending on the context exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what makes it so challenging to regulate.

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<v Speaker 1>Because how do we control the fire, so to speak?

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<v Speaker 1>How do we harness the benefits of anonymity without letting

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<v Speaker 1>it run wild?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the question everyone's grappling with governments, tech companies, ethicists, everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we find that balance? How do we regulate

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<v Speaker 2>these technologies without stifling innovation or trampling on individual rights?

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds tricky? It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a delicate balancing act and there's no easy solution.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have to do something right. We can't just

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<v Speaker 1>throw our hands up and say, well, anonymity is complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed, Throwing our hands up isn't the answer. I think

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<v Speaker 2>for starters, we need more open and honest conversations about

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<v Speaker 2>the trade offs, more education about what anonymity tools like

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<v Speaker 2>tour actually do and how they can be used responsibly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, education is key because demonizing the technology outright isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to work. That's like banning fire because some people

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<v Speaker 1>use it to commit arson exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about finding ways to mitigate the risks without eliminating

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<v Speaker 2>the potential benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So more education.

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<v Speaker 2>What else we need to empower law enforcement to adapt

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<v Speaker 2>to this new landscape. They need the tools and resources

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate crimes that happen in these anonymous online spaces.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like a digital arms race, the good guys

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<v Speaker 1>versus the bad guys in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's a race we can't afford to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Anonymity is here to stay. It's only going to become

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<v Speaker 2>more important as our lives move further online.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not about getting rid of anonymity. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>learning to live with it, manage it, use it for good.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it? And that requires all of a stork together, individuals, governments,

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<v Speaker 2>tech companies. We need to find ways to create a

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<v Speaker 2>digital world where anonymity can be a force for good

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<v Speaker 2>while the potential for harm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. This isn't just a tech issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a societal issue. We all have a role to play.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely well, you've definitely given us a lot to think

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<v Speaker 1>about this whole deep dive. It's been eye opening. We

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<v Speaker 1>started with this kind of mysterious, scary concept of tour

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<v Speaker 1>and the dark web, Yeah we did, and we've uncovered

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<v Speaker 1>so much the technical side of tour, the good, the bad,

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<v Speaker 1>the ugly, the dark web, the ethical dilemmas that come

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<v Speaker 1>with anonymity. It's complex, it really is. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've shed some light on this hidden corner of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So. It's a fascinating world down there, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>reminder that the Internet is a constantly evolving landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>Always changing, always surprising us well listeners. We hope this

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive has been informative and maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>thought provoking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep those questions coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly because the more we learn, the more we understand,

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<v Speaker 1>the better choices we can make about how we use

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<v Speaker 1>these technologies, how we shape the future of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>The future is in our hands.

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<v Speaker 1>So until next time, keep learning, keep questioning, and keep exploring.
