WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.480 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:43.599 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Rick Rick. 6 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:45.319 Thanks so much for coming on the show. 7 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:46.640 Thank you. 8 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.920 Oh you're welcome. Rick, Please give us a brief bio 9 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:51.640 on yourself. 10 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:58.879 I was born in Texas. I grew up there most 11 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.040 of my life. Moved out to the country at a 12 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:07.480 real young age, did plenty of hunting, and did so 13 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:12.360 many things a young young one does out of the country, 14 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:17.719 a lot exploring, graduated from around the area. I had 15 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:22.439 one son and worked a regular job after I got married, 16 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.400 but mostly mostly all my life. I grew up around 17 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.199 the area and went to church there with my family. 18 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.520 Was it East Texas or West Texas? 19 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:39.560 South Texas? What part of the state South Texas? Like 20 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:41.360 twenty five miles out of San Antonio. 21 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:45.000 Not only did you grow up in Texas, from what understand, 22 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.680 you grew up in a haunted house there. What was 23 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:48.159 that like? 24 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:54.759 That was back in the days. From what I heard 25 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:01.759 from one of the relatives that owned that slave camp area, 26 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.479 they used to make brick there. And later on I 27 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:12.439 found I was told that railroad ran through there right 28 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:17.360 by our house actually, and I actually found some brick 29 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.800 on the ground that were buried on the ground because 30 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.599 that's the way they used to harm up the brick. 31 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.719 Even found some railroad nails. But it used to be 32 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:33.520 a big slave camp before, which used to belong to 33 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:37.439 the Kings that was their last name, and ran from 34 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:43.120 sixteen sixteen oh four all the way into Pote, Texas. 35 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.120 But yeah, that house was pretty haunted. I mean you 36 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:52.680 could back in those days, we had typewriters, and you 37 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.560 could hear the typewriter going off by itself and clinging 38 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:02.319 away and reversing its way back to its position. TVs 39 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:08.719 would turn on by themselves, doors would open and close, apparitions, 40 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:16.800 uh voices, even people talking in the living room when 41 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:21.079 there was nobody at home, only by myself. There's so 42 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.600 many things that happened there and and and it's like 43 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:29.680 mainly like the whole area of youuld hear people had 44 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:35.920 so many different experiences and even seeing apparitions during the 45 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.839 day or at night time. But who knows what really 46 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:45.439 happened there, you know, with with with the people that 47 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:50.160 lived in the area, especially with the grave sites being there, 48 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.720 you know, for so many years. Who knows, but yeah, 49 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.879 it was it was pretty hanted, you know. If I've 50 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.360 witnessed so much of that through my life. I'm in 51 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:07.079 my sixties now, and sometimes I think maybe they followed me. 52 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:09.360 Oh I hope not. 53 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.759 Yeah. So, I mean I've been here in Wisconsin for 54 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:20.439 twenty years now and I've still had still up to 55 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.680 this day, i still have things happening around the house, 56 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:31.600 you know, from seeing apparitions to things moving and lights flickering, 57 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:36.879 smelling smoke, and et cetera. You know, it's you know, 58 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:38.959 you become used to it. I guess you could say 59 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.240 in a way, but it's not. It's become no big 60 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.040 deal to me. It's become like part of the norm. 61 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.439 But yeah, I love it up here. It's it's beautiful. 62 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:57.360 I mean, people are great. You know. I can't do 63 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.759 without the cheese, oh, no doubt. 64 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.120 Yeah, that's a given there. I don't care who you 65 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.199 are or how you are. Rick, if you have a 66 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.040 dog mean an encounter, it's going to change you. With 67 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.800 that in mind, how did your encounter change you? 68 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:21.920 Well, I mostly kept it to myself, but I was 69 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.839 cautious everywhere I went and when it came to outdoors 70 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:34.959 camping or hiking. Is it just helped me stay more 71 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.800 alert and be more cautious about my surroundings. But maybe 72 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:47.519 overall it's just keeping it to myself. It didn't really 73 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:52.680 really bother me that much, but it's just helping me 74 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.399 be more aware of my surroundings. That's what it did 75 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.240 to me, keep more to myself. 76 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:02.519 Well that saying I'm glad you're able to deal with 77 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.480 that experience so well. It seems like if you have 78 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.120 an eyewitness who was really traumatized by a dog man encounter, 79 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.240 they don'tt to even think about dog men. But on 80 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.480 the other end of the spectrum, eyewitnesses like you who 81 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.439 weren't traumatized, sometimes they become obsessed with a dog man topic. 82 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.720 Speaking of that, from what I understand at work, you've 83 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.959 got to figurine on your desk called Dirk tell us 84 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:28.560 more about that. 85 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:35.040 Yes, that's true. Yeah, so now I am more into 86 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.839 bigfoot and dog man any kind of cryptid. I like 87 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.560 to read about them, or listen to your podcast or 88 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.439 and hear stories about, you know, different encounters. But yeah, 89 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.800 I have a dog man figuring probably like about six 90 00:07:54.839 --> 00:08:01.079 inches tall, and some of my co workers ask me, Hey, 91 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.800 what's up with the figurine. I said, oh, that's dog man. 92 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.399 Oh yeah, that's cool, I said, yeah, I named them Dirk. 93 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:12.519 So I showed them the name underneath the foot of 94 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.839 the dog man little statue, and that, you know, people 95 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:20.160 think it. They're awesome. You know, many people like it 96 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.160 at work and they think it's pretty cool. But I've 97 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:29.079 just like it because it means something to me. It's 98 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.919 just something that I went through it in my lifetime. 99 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.159 I know a lot of people get tattoos and so forth, 100 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.879 but I like the little figuring, you know, the statue 101 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:44.039 of dog men, and it always reminds me of what 102 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.240 I went through in the past. And I get to 103 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:51.000 share it with people who only ask. You know, but yeah, 104 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:52.480 pretty cool. 105 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.080 When you have shared your experience with people at work, 106 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.279 you asked, how do they respond? 107 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:05.399 Like an awe, mouth open and eyes bulging out, and like, 108 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.759 you know, it's like wow, you know, I don't know 109 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.080 what I would do. I would probably soil my pants 110 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.679 or run off. I don't really know what I would do. 111 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:21.600 And you know, and I just listen just by looking 112 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.559 at the reaction of their faces. It says a lot. 113 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.559 You know, Oh, I can only imagine the reactions. If 114 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.559 you've had a dog mean encounter that you need help 115 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.399 dealing with, or if you'd like to be a guest 116 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.039 on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and 117 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.200 submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting 'll 118 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:42.679 like to be a guest on one of my two 119 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:48.879 big foot podcasts, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. 120 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.600 All right, Rick, please tell us about your encounter. Now, 121 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.159 give us a real last detail that comes to mind. 122 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.639 The encounter. I was sitting at church and I had 123 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.759 I heard this sermon before, and I told my wife 124 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:04.840 at the time, I said, you know what I'm I'm 125 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.759 going to take a ride in my pickup truck and 126 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.120 I heard this sermon and I'll be back. She said 127 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.919 it was fine. So I take off and go down 128 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:24.039 this secluded road, jet road, and as I take a right, 129 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:27.480 I mean nothing had been built there for I'm going 130 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.240 to say probably over one hundred years. And on the 131 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.480 side of the road, if you would go into the woods, 132 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.840 you couldn't even walk in there because it was so thick. 133 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.039 As I'm driving further down to my left. It was 134 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:47.679 a pretty flat road, thick brush what an area. I 135 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:53.080 noticed that somebody had cleared out a section. I guess 136 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.480 I had bought the property and they were planning to 137 00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:00.120 move in there or something. And as I'm as I'm driving, 138 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.840 it was like around I say, like seven thirty to 139 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:10.399 eight o'clock. It starts getting pretty dark during that time 140 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:15.879 in season. I turned on my overhead lights on my 141 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:21.279 rollbar my pickup, and I see this huge creature coming 142 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:25.320 down from an oak tree. I would probably say like 143 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:29.480 about fifty to sixty feet away from the side of 144 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:34.799 the road, give or take. And this thing was massive. 145 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:36.919 It was just coming down from it. She started pulled 146 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.759 over on my truck and I'm like, what in the 147 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.159 world is that? And you know, it's like I'm just 148 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.399 looking at it. So I started looking at seeing all 149 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:53.120 the detail, the back of its head, the back, the arms. 150 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.879 The arms were huge, and one of the things I 151 00:11:55.960 --> 00:12:01.519 noticed was were the hands long, with like about two 152 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.919 and a half to three inch nails black in color, 153 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.879 and I mean the forearms were huge. I mean, this 154 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.879 thing was like a V shape coming out from the tree. 155 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.120 And I had pulled over and I could hear the bark, 156 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.000 you know, where he was tearing up the bark coming down, 157 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:26.279 and as it stood, i'm gonna say probably around I'm 158 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.080 gonna say over seven feet tall. This thing was huge 159 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:33.240 and about four feet wide. I mean you could see 160 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:39.759 the bulkiness of its shoulders, the muscle, the contour, and 161 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.080 it squat down by the tree. It kind of moved 162 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.679 over to the left and its squat down. And when 163 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:52.399 it's squat I would say he still surpassed my height 164 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:58.480 and I'm like about five five eight, And when I 165 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.399 saw him, I was like, what in the world is 166 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:06.320 that thing? You know, I seen different types of animals 167 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:10.480 in the woods, but never anything like this. I was like, wow, 168 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:15.000 it just blew me away. So being a hunter, and 169 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:20.480 you know, hunting squirrel, deer, you know, I always carried 170 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.879 I had my gun rack on my back window on 171 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:27.480 my pickup, and I said, I'm gonna shoot this guy. 172 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.879 I don't know why I did it. I think about 173 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:34.000 it now and I regret that so much. But it 174 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:38.399 kind of flinched and it turned around and looked over 175 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:44.759 his shoulder, and it had a long snout, tall eears, big, old, 176 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:49.639 long years, kind of like a German shepherd. And it 177 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:55.559 never grinned or showed its teeth, but it was like 178 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:02.080 light brown in color, kind of like a tan. As 179 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:06.600 a turnaround to it's left. It scared me because, you know, 180 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.360 because of the reaction. It was really hardly any reaction 181 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:15.639 to it. And I scoot back to my truck. I 182 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.039 was about like two or three feet away from my truck, 183 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.960 but the door opened through the rifle in there on 184 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:27.519 the passenger seat, and I stuck it on drive without 185 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.559 closing the door, and I just zoomed out of there, 186 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:35.840 peeling out. The place only had one entrance, so I 187 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.600 turned the truck back around quite a distance, and I 188 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.919 was so scared. I rolled my windows up and probably 189 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.320 drew drove by there like eighty miles an hour, maybe faster. 190 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:55.000 I think events might launch at me or anything of 191 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:57.279 that nature. And you know, I went back to church 192 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.879 and sat there thinking, man, that thing could come through 193 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.200 the window, and everybody's here and they don't really know 194 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.039 what exists out there, you know, But being there, I 195 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.320 didn't smell any kind of odor. One thing I did 196 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:21.240 notice when I was there in its presence was a 197 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:27.519 total stillness. There was no birds, no nothing, no chirping. 198 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:33.440 I could feel no wind. It was just lack in 199 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:38.799 a bubble. But that was quite an experience. I'll never 200 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.600 forget that. But the down to the hips were like 201 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:46.720 it was like a V shape and it's just huge, 202 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:50.600 I mean masculine. I mean this thing could you know, 203 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.039 I think about it now. It's like this thing could 204 00:15:53.200 --> 00:16:00.039 rip through anything. Its height, its shoulder with uh it 205 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.559 some back legs and arms are just massive. I mean 206 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:15.159 I've encountered where I've seen a bull bust like a 207 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.559 telephone pole used as a fence and just clean off 208 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.080 the ground, probably like nine to ten inches and it 209 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.879 just tears it right off the ground, you know, breaks it. 210 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:31.200 I know the power they have. And I mean I 211 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:35.399 looked at this thing, at this dog man, and I 212 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:38.159 think about it now and it's like, you know, I 213 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:43.480 just wonder what it could have done. You know, it 214 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.120 is quite an experience. I'll never forget that. 215 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.120 Well, I'm sure you won't. Yeah, And I can understand 216 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.799 why when you watched it climb down out of that tree. 217 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.200 Did it climb down head first or feet first? 218 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:02.720 It was feet first. You could see where where his 219 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.240 knees were bent sideways coming out, but it was it 220 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.519 was crawling down from the tree with its hands up 221 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.200 and kind of like an Have you ever seen a 222 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:21.000 utility the people that work on the on the telephone poles, 223 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.839 the way they climbed down from the trees the same way. 224 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:30.680 I mean, but its feet, its claws were just I 225 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.839 mean they were like a magnet to that tree and 226 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:35.240 it's like they can climb it up and down easy. 227 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:41.200 From what I saw, the claws on the on this 228 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:46.039 creature were just massive. I mean, no problem, no slipping 229 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.000 is just there. The paws, the hands were there, the 230 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:53.680 feet were there and just clinging to the tree. But 231 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.799 you could actually hear the bark, but it was just 232 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.240 tearing it up coming down. And I can imagine because 233 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.480 of the how big it was and its weight. 234 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.119 You know, you said its knees were bent sideways. What 235 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:08.000 did you mean by that. 236 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.720 Like coming out kind of like if you're squatting down 237 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:18.799 with your legs open in that position coming down from 238 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:19.880 the tree. 239 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.599 If that's the case, what kind of a leg structure 240 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.319 did it have? Did it have a hominid style legs 241 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.400 structure or legs like a dog? 242 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.160 It had like like a like a human like a 243 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:38.119 human waist, but its waist was real bulky, I mean massive, 244 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.200 Like you can see the muscle layers and the legs 245 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:46.119 up to the lap and up to the knee it 246 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:50.119 was like human, and down to the calves and then 247 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:54.960 from right below the calf it like transferred over into 248 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:03.039 like a wolf's hind legs. I would imagine these these 249 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.519 his paws were probably, oh my god, I'm gonna say, 250 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.359 like two times whiter than my fist. I mean, they 251 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:17.079 were huge, but the feet of a dog, the hands 252 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.200 and arms of a human, and the legs. It had 253 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.559 a very short tail, I would say, like about a 254 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:29.519 foot and it was light brown in color, kind of 255 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:35.960 like a not too bushy of a tail. But but yeah, 256 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.680 it was. It was. It was. It was quite an 257 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.799 experience though looking at looking at it, I did sketch 258 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:52.759 it out myself, and it was just I mean, I 259 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.160 mean I feel like I could still see it like 260 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.440 I just saw it yesterday or a while ago. You know, 261 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:03.279 coming down from that tree. That thing was massive. I'll 262 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.240 tell you that that's one of the things I'll never forget, 263 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:09.759 how big it was. 264 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.839 You know, well, I'm sure you're not going to forget 265 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.880 a lot of things about that experience. How big of 266 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:18.680 a tree was that it was in. 267 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:32.319 I say, I'm gonna say it was probably Let me see. 268 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.200 I mean, if I was to stand by the tree 269 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:39.519 and try to hug the tree, I don't think I 270 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:44.200 would get my arms around it. See, it was a 271 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.640 pretty wide tree. And I know for sure it was 272 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:51.480 an oak tree because they grow pretty pretty big, you know, 273 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:57.839 they get older, pretty tough trees. But like I said, 274 00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.720 they were cleaning out the area, and it looked like 275 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:06.559 they had trimmed the tree, and the area look pretty 276 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.839 neat how they cleaned it out, So I don't I 277 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.160 don't know what it was doing there, maybe eating off 278 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.400 a squirrel nest or jumping from tree to tree. I 279 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.279 don't know. I just I just can't take the the 280 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:24.319 size of it out of my mind. It just I 281 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.880 just my mind came fathom that it's just huge. 282 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.519 Oh no, that's understandable. You see something like that, that big, 283 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.640 that's not supposed to exist. It looks that way. It's 284 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:40.880 going to make an impression on you. Now, some dogs 285 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.559 rick are expressive with their tails. Other dogs the tail 286 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.519 just hangs like there's no emotion in the dog whatsoever. 287 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.640 You said that you saw its tail, its tail was 288 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:55.640 kind of bushy. It was on the short side. Did 289 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.599 it ever seem to move its tail around when it 290 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.079 would look and notice this, or it was about to 291 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.400 stand up, or did the tail just hag? 292 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:10.559 No, the tail was just hanging that. That was one 293 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.400 of my main focuses. My main focus was that how 294 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:21.039 how the tail looked, knowing like you know, like some 295 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:26.680 of the deer or horses that you see, but that 296 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.720 that That's one of the things that really caught my 297 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:33.119 attention was a tail. How it was wide and just 298 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.160 feathered down. I would say like about a foot maybe 299 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.400 a foot and a half long in regardss of what 300 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.440 I've seen on drawings and pictures where they're pretty long, 301 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.359 but this one was a pretty short short tail in length. 302 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.519 I never even saw it make a movement. It's just 303 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.559 it just hung there, and I guess it was to 304 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.880 me it kind of looked like kind of a It 305 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.160 was kind of like in a peaceful stage, like I guess, 306 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:15.759 just wandering around until Rick showed up. But yeah, it 307 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:21.240 is show any kind of aggression anything like that. 308 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.240 Thank goodness, you described its leg structure for us. Did 309 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.720 its lower legs look too small compared to its thighs 310 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:31.960 and the rest of its body. 311 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.799 Though, no, no, this this this thing was this thing 312 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.519 was pretty long from its hip down to its feet. 313 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.680 I mean, I don't I don't know if you ever 314 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.200 seem like a bodybuilder's like when they're stretching and you 315 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:54.079 know they're they're showing their muscles and how they can 316 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:58.799 flex them. But you see like a like a bodybuilder's 317 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:04.000 leg from their hip to their knee. That's the way 318 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:10.559 it looked, but it was longer. I've heard of dog 319 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.079 man people say that they're shorter when it comes to 320 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:19.000 the hip area down to its legs, but this guy 321 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:23.640 was pretty huge. I mean, the legs, the link from 322 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.119 their feet to their hip was pretty long. And then 323 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.880 the V shape going up towards its hips to the 324 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.000 ribs was like a V. And you can see all 325 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:38.480 the muscle layers up to its shoulders and its back 326 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:43.640 arms again like a bodybuilder, you can see the biceps 327 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.480 and the triceps, and you know on the rear of 328 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.440 the back of the arm where you could just see 329 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.200 it where it was flexing coming down from the tree 330 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.400 and as it stood there with its arms down, I 331 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.119 mean you could see the layer of muscles and or 332 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:01.960 it's light brown in color. Like I said, you can 333 00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.160 see the hair, but you could still see the muscle layer. 334 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:12.119 It looked pretty fit. I mean super fit should I say, 335 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.200 but yeah, it's it's from its hip to its feet. 336 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:24.119 They're pretty long legs overall tall. 337 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:28.799 You did a great job noticing all these details. Hats off, Tea. 338 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.960 Now you described its feet as being keenid, like I 339 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:36.079 don't want to read into things, just to make sure 340 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.119 if it had Keenan style feet. Did it also have 341 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.200 hocks instead of ankles like a hominid style like would have. 342 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:55.359 I didn't really see like I get. I'm gonna say, 343 00:25:55.480 --> 00:26:01.359 from its from its calves two the bottom, that's where 344 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:06.400 you could see like the back heel like where kind 345 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.960 of like like a cat where it has its dew 346 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:14.799 claw on the side on the inner side, but you 347 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:17.279 can see the back of the heel. And then from 348 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.200 the like the like if you're looking at the dog's leg, 349 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:26.599 like after it comes back from from its heel, like 350 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.960 a portion going up towards the top, that's where it 351 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.240 would like came into the calves of the of the 352 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:40.359 dog man's leg. It was just crazy looking at it 353 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:46.000 is mind blowing how it. It contoured into like the 354 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:53.559 human leg. But the paws were huge, I mean they were. 355 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.720 It had a pretty white spread. 356 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.200 Well, like I said, you did agreed job noticing all 357 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:03.400 these details. I'm impressed you told us that it had 358 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.039 some pretty impressive claws, both on its toes and on 359 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.079 its fingertips. How long would you say the claws were 360 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.759 and did they seem to be curved or pretty straight? 361 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:18.960 So they were curved, they were black in color, and 362 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.559 I'm going to say about two inches. I'm going to 363 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:28.720 say about two to two and a half inches. You know, 364 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:32.400 I thought about when I go back home and go visit, 365 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.880 I want to take a drive and have somebody, you know, 366 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.079 just ask for permission. Maybe if they let me go 367 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.279 in there. It's just a distance from the road and 368 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.799 just grab a measuring tape and look at it and 369 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.559 have somebody measure it from where the distance where I 370 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:56.119 was standing, just to see how tall it was. But 371 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:01.279 the hands that looked totally human. But like I said, 372 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:08.119 from the thumb to the finger I've seen I've gone 373 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.880 to the zoo and I've seen the hand from a 374 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.079 monkey that I had a display of a drawing or 375 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.519 you know, a picture that The length was just about 376 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.440 I'm gonna say, if it's from my thumb to the 377 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.119 point of my finger, that's how wide it gow. That's 378 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.039 that's the length. It was from the thumb to the 379 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.440 back of the finger where you see your knuckle joint. 380 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.279 It was pretty long. 381 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.599 Yeah, it sounds like they were did the dog man 382 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.720 do anything. They gave you the impression that it might 383 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:42.759 have come down out of that tree because you pulled up. 384 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.200 No, it was coming down when I was driving and 385 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.799 I saw it. It was actually coming down from the 386 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.519 tree already. That's when I pulled over and rolled my 387 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.440 window down, and I was a stack like, like, you know, 388 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.920 what in the world is that? You know? But it 389 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.960 was actually moving while I was driving by and stopped 390 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.599 to see it. It was coming down from the tree. 391 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.480 When it came down out of the tree and stood up, 392 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.079 was it facing you or facing away? 393 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:24.720 It was facing away. It was still facing the tree 394 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.920 when I saw it come down and it stood there. 395 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.319 That thing was massive, real tall, and it kind of 396 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.279 like stepped to the side of the tree and that's 397 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.119 when it squat down, facing away from me, giving me 398 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:46.079 its back. But yeah, that that back was massive, I 399 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:52.920 mean from shoulder to shoulder. Unbelievable. I mean, it was 400 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.960 quite an experience. 401 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.240