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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Rick, Please give us a brief bio
Speaker 2: on yourself.
Speaker 1: I was born in Texas. I grew up there most
Speaker 1: of my life. Moved out to the country at a
Speaker 1: real young age, did plenty of hunting, and did so
Speaker 1: many things a young young one does out of the country,
Speaker 1: a lot exploring, graduated from around the area. I had
Speaker 1: one son and worked a regular job after I got married,
Speaker 1: but mostly mostly all my life. I grew up around
Speaker 1: the area and went to church there with my family.
Speaker 2: Was it East Texas or West Texas?
Speaker 1: South Texas? What part of the state South Texas? Like
Speaker 1: twenty five miles out of San Antonio.
Speaker 2: Not only did you grow up in Texas, from what understand,
Speaker 2: you grew up in a haunted house there. What was
Speaker 2: that like?
Speaker 1: That was back in the days. From what I heard
Speaker 1: from one of the relatives that owned that slave camp area,
Speaker 1: they used to make brick there. And later on I
Speaker 1: found I was told that railroad ran through there right
Speaker 1: by our house actually, and I actually found some brick
Speaker 1: on the ground that were buried on the ground because
Speaker 1: that's the way they used to harm up the brick.
Speaker 1: Even found some railroad nails. But it used to be
Speaker 1: a big slave camp before, which used to belong to
Speaker 1: the Kings that was their last name, and ran from
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen oh four all the way into Pote, Texas.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that house was pretty haunted. I mean you
Speaker 1: could back in those days, we had typewriters, and you
Speaker 1: could hear the typewriter going off by itself and clinging
Speaker 1: away and reversing its way back to its position. TVs
Speaker 1: would turn on by themselves, doors would open and close, apparitions,
Speaker 1: uh voices, even people talking in the living room when
Speaker 1: there was nobody at home, only by myself. There's so
Speaker 1: many things that happened there and and and it's like
Speaker 1: mainly like the whole area of youuld hear people had
Speaker 1: so many different experiences and even seeing apparitions during the
Speaker 1: day or at night time. But who knows what really
Speaker 1: happened there, you know, with with with the people that
Speaker 1: lived in the area, especially with the grave sites being there,
Speaker 1: you know, for so many years. Who knows, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was pretty hanted, you know. If I've
Speaker 1: witnessed so much of that through my life. I'm in
Speaker 1: my sixties now, and sometimes I think maybe they followed me.
Speaker 2: Oh I hope not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean I've been here in Wisconsin for
Speaker 1: twenty years now and I've still had still up to
Speaker 1: this day, i still have things happening around the house,
Speaker 1: you know, from seeing apparitions to things moving and lights flickering,
Speaker 1: smelling smoke, and et cetera. You know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: you become used to it. I guess you could say
Speaker 1: in a way, but it's not. It's become no big
Speaker 1: deal to me. It's become like part of the norm.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love it up here. It's it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, people are great. You know. I can't do
Speaker 1: without the cheese, oh, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a given there. I don't care who you
Speaker 2: are or how you are. Rick, if you have a
Speaker 2: dog mean an encounter, it's going to change you. With
Speaker 2: that in mind, how did your encounter change you?
Speaker 1: Well, I mostly kept it to myself, but I was
Speaker 1: cautious everywhere I went and when it came to outdoors
Speaker 1: camping or hiking. Is it just helped me stay more
Speaker 1: alert and be more cautious about my surroundings. But maybe
Speaker 1: overall it's just keeping it to myself. It didn't really
Speaker 1: really bother me that much, but it's just helping me
Speaker 1: be more aware of my surroundings. That's what it did
Speaker 1: to me, keep more to myself.
Speaker 2: Well that saying I'm glad you're able to deal with
Speaker 2: that experience so well. It seems like if you have
Speaker 2: an eyewitness who was really traumatized by a dog man encounter,
Speaker 2: they don'tt to even think about dog men. But on
Speaker 2: the other end of the spectrum, eyewitnesses like you who
Speaker 2: weren't traumatized, sometimes they become obsessed with a dog man topic.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, from what I understand at work, you've
Speaker 2: got to figurine on your desk called Dirk tell us
Speaker 2: more about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Yeah, so now I am more into
Speaker 1: bigfoot and dog man any kind of cryptid. I like
Speaker 1: to read about them, or listen to your podcast or
Speaker 1: and hear stories about, you know, different encounters. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a dog man figuring probably like about six
Speaker 1: inches tall, and some of my co workers ask me, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up with the figurine. I said, oh, that's dog man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's cool, I said, yeah, I named them Dirk.
Speaker 1: So I showed them the name underneath the foot of
Speaker 1: the dog man little statue, and that, you know, people
Speaker 1: think it. They're awesome. You know, many people like it
Speaker 1: at work and they think it's pretty cool. But I've
Speaker 1: just like it because it means something to me. It's
Speaker 1: just something that I went through it in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people get tattoos and so forth,
Speaker 1: but I like the little figuring, you know, the statue
Speaker 1: of dog men, and it always reminds me of what
Speaker 1: I went through in the past. And I get to
Speaker 1: share it with people who only ask. You know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: When you have shared your experience with people at work,
Speaker 2: you asked, how do they respond?
Speaker 1: Like an awe, mouth open and eyes bulging out, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like wow, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would do. I would probably soil my pants
Speaker 1: or run off. I don't really know what I would do.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I just listen just by looking
Speaker 1: at the reaction of their faces. It says a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, I can only imagine the reactions. If
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Speaker 2: All right, Rick, please tell us about your encounter. Now,
Speaker 2: give us a real last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: The encounter. I was sitting at church and I had
Speaker 1: I heard this sermon before, and I told my wife
Speaker 1: at the time, I said, you know what I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going to take a ride in my pickup truck and
Speaker 1: I heard this sermon and I'll be back. She said
Speaker 1: it was fine. So I take off and go down
Speaker 1: this secluded road, jet road, and as I take a right,
Speaker 1: I mean nothing had been built there for I'm going
Speaker 1: to say probably over one hundred years. And on the
Speaker 1: side of the road, if you would go into the woods,
Speaker 1: you couldn't even walk in there because it was so thick.
Speaker 1: As I'm driving further down to my left. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty flat road, thick brush what an area. I
Speaker 1: noticed that somebody had cleared out a section. I guess
Speaker 1: I had bought the property and they were planning to
Speaker 1: move in there or something. And as I'm as I'm driving,
Speaker 1: it was like around I say, like seven thirty to
Speaker 1: eight o'clock. It starts getting pretty dark during that time
Speaker 1: in season. I turned on my overhead lights on my
Speaker 1: rollbar my pickup, and I see this huge creature coming
Speaker 1: down from an oak tree. I would probably say like
Speaker 1: about fifty to sixty feet away from the side of
Speaker 1: the road, give or take. And this thing was massive.
Speaker 1: It was just coming down from it. She started pulled
Speaker 1: over on my truck and I'm like, what in the
Speaker 1: world is that? And you know, it's like I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at it. So I started looking at seeing all
Speaker 1: the detail, the back of its head, the back, the arms.
Speaker 1: The arms were huge, and one of the things I
Speaker 1: noticed was were the hands long, with like about two
Speaker 1: and a half to three inch nails black in color,
Speaker 1: and I mean the forearms were huge. I mean, this
Speaker 1: thing was like a V shape coming out from the tree.
Speaker 1: And I had pulled over and I could hear the bark,
Speaker 1: you know, where he was tearing up the bark coming down,
Speaker 1: and as it stood, i'm gonna say probably around I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say over seven feet tall. This thing was huge
Speaker 1: and about four feet wide. I mean you could see
Speaker 1: the bulkiness of its shoulders, the muscle, the contour, and
Speaker 1: it squat down by the tree. It kind of moved
Speaker 1: over to the left and its squat down. And when
Speaker 1: it's squat I would say he still surpassed my height
Speaker 1: and I'm like about five five eight, And when I
Speaker 1: saw him, I was like, what in the world is
Speaker 1: that thing? You know, I seen different types of animals
Speaker 1: in the woods, but never anything like this. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it just blew me away. So being a hunter, and
Speaker 1: you know, hunting squirrel, deer, you know, I always carried
Speaker 1: I had my gun rack on my back window on
Speaker 1: my pickup, and I said, I'm gonna shoot this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did it. I think about
Speaker 1: it now and I regret that so much. But it
Speaker 1: kind of flinched and it turned around and looked over
Speaker 1: his shoulder, and it had a long snout, tall eears, big, old,
Speaker 1: long years, kind of like a German shepherd. And it
Speaker 1: never grinned or showed its teeth, but it was like
Speaker 1: light brown in color, kind of like a tan. As
Speaker 1: a turnaround to it's left. It scared me because, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the reaction. It was really hardly any reaction
Speaker 1: to it. And I scoot back to my truck. I
Speaker 1: was about like two or three feet away from my truck,
Speaker 1: but the door opened through the rifle in there on
Speaker 1: the passenger seat, and I stuck it on drive without
Speaker 1: closing the door, and I just zoomed out of there,
Speaker 1: peeling out. The place only had one entrance, so I
Speaker 1: turned the truck back around quite a distance, and I
Speaker 1: was so scared. I rolled my windows up and probably
Speaker 1: drew drove by there like eighty miles an hour, maybe faster.
Speaker 1: I think events might launch at me or anything of
Speaker 1: that nature. And you know, I went back to church
Speaker 1: and sat there thinking, man, that thing could come through
Speaker 1: the window, and everybody's here and they don't really know
Speaker 1: what exists out there, you know, But being there, I
Speaker 1: didn't smell any kind of odor. One thing I did
Speaker 1: notice when I was there in its presence was a
Speaker 1: total stillness. There was no birds, no nothing, no chirping.
Speaker 1: I could feel no wind. It was just lack in
Speaker 1: a bubble. But that was quite an experience. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that. But the down to the hips were like
Speaker 1: it was like a V shape and it's just huge,
Speaker 1: I mean masculine. I mean this thing could you know,
Speaker 1: I think about it now. It's like this thing could
Speaker 1: rip through anything. Its height, its shoulder with uh it
Speaker 1: some back legs and arms are just massive. I mean
Speaker 1: I've encountered where I've seen a bull bust like a
Speaker 1: telephone pole used as a fence and just clean off
Speaker 1: the ground, probably like nine to ten inches and it
Speaker 1: just tears it right off the ground, you know, breaks it.
Speaker 1: I know the power they have. And I mean I
Speaker 1: looked at this thing, at this dog man, and I
Speaker 1: think about it now and it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: just wonder what it could have done. You know, it
Speaker 1: is quite an experience. I'll never forget that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you won't. Yeah, And I can understand
Speaker 2: why when you watched it climb down out of that tree.
Speaker 2: Did it climb down head first or feet first?
Speaker 1: It was feet first. You could see where where his
Speaker 1: knees were bent sideways coming out, but it was it
Speaker 1: was crawling down from the tree with its hands up
Speaker 1: and kind of like an Have you ever seen a
Speaker 1: utility the people that work on the on the telephone poles,
Speaker 1: the way they climbed down from the trees the same way.
Speaker 1: I mean, but its feet, its claws were just I
Speaker 1: mean they were like a magnet to that tree and
Speaker 1: it's like they can climb it up and down easy.
Speaker 1: From what I saw, the claws on the on this
Speaker 1: creature were just massive. I mean, no problem, no slipping
Speaker 1: is just there. The paws, the hands were there, the
Speaker 1: feet were there and just clinging to the tree. But
Speaker 1: you could actually hear the bark, but it was just
Speaker 1: tearing it up coming down. And I can imagine because
Speaker 1: of the how big it was and its weight.
Speaker 2: You know, you said its knees were bent sideways. What
Speaker 2: did you mean by that.
Speaker 1: Like coming out kind of like if you're squatting down
Speaker 1: with your legs open in that position coming down from
Speaker 1: the tree.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, what kind of a leg structure
Speaker 2: did it have? Did it have a hominid style legs
Speaker 2: structure or legs like a dog?
Speaker 1: It had like like a like a human like a
Speaker 1: human waist, but its waist was real bulky, I mean massive,
Speaker 1: Like you can see the muscle layers and the legs
Speaker 1: up to the lap and up to the knee it
Speaker 1: was like human, and down to the calves and then
Speaker 1: from right below the calf it like transferred over into
Speaker 1: like a wolf's hind legs. I would imagine these these
Speaker 1: his paws were probably, oh my god, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: like two times whiter than my fist. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were huge, but the feet of a dog, the hands
Speaker 1: and arms of a human, and the legs. It had
Speaker 1: a very short tail, I would say, like about a
Speaker 1: foot and it was light brown in color, kind of
Speaker 1: like a not too bushy of a tail. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was. It was quite an
Speaker 1: experience though looking at looking at it, I did sketch
Speaker 1: it out myself, and it was just I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I feel like I could still see it like
Speaker 1: I just saw it yesterday or a while ago. You know,
Speaker 1: coming down from that tree. That thing was massive. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that that's one of the things I'll never forget,
Speaker 1: how big it was.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I'm sure you're not going to forget
Speaker 2: a lot of things about that experience. How big of
Speaker 2: a tree was that it was in.
Speaker 1: I say, I'm gonna say it was probably Let me see.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was to stand by the tree
Speaker 1: and try to hug the tree, I don't think I
Speaker 1: would get my arms around it. See, it was a
Speaker 1: pretty wide tree. And I know for sure it was
Speaker 1: an oak tree because they grow pretty pretty big, you know,
Speaker 1: they get older, pretty tough trees. But like I said,
Speaker 1: they were cleaning out the area, and it looked like
Speaker 1: they had trimmed the tree, and the area look pretty
Speaker 1: neat how they cleaned it out, So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was doing there, maybe eating off
Speaker 1: a squirrel nest or jumping from tree to tree. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I just can't take the the
Speaker 1: size of it out of my mind. It just I
Speaker 1: just my mind came fathom that it's just huge.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's understandable. You see something like that, that big,
Speaker 2: that's not supposed to exist. It looks that way. It's
Speaker 2: going to make an impression on you. Now, some dogs
Speaker 2: rick are expressive with their tails. Other dogs the tail
Speaker 2: just hangs like there's no emotion in the dog whatsoever.
Speaker 2: You said that you saw its tail, its tail was
Speaker 2: kind of bushy. It was on the short side. Did
Speaker 2: it ever seem to move its tail around when it
Speaker 2: would look and notice this, or it was about to
Speaker 2: stand up, or did the tail just hag?
Speaker 1: No, the tail was just hanging that. That was one
Speaker 1: of my main focuses. My main focus was that how
Speaker 1: how the tail looked, knowing like you know, like some
Speaker 1: of the deer or horses that you see, but that
Speaker 1: that That's one of the things that really caught my
Speaker 1: attention was a tail. How it was wide and just
Speaker 1: feathered down. I would say like about a foot maybe
Speaker 1: a foot and a half long in regardss of what
Speaker 1: I've seen on drawings and pictures where they're pretty long,
Speaker 1: but this one was a pretty short short tail in length.
Speaker 1: I never even saw it make a movement. It's just
Speaker 1: it just hung there, and I guess it was to
Speaker 1: me it kind of looked like kind of a It
Speaker 1: was kind of like in a peaceful stage, like I guess,
Speaker 1: just wandering around until Rick showed up. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: is show any kind of aggression anything like that.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, you described its leg structure for us. Did
Speaker 2: its lower legs look too small compared to its thighs
Speaker 2: and the rest of its body.
Speaker 1: Though, no, no, this this this thing was this thing
Speaker 1: was pretty long from its hip down to its feet.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: seem like a bodybuilder's like when they're stretching and you
Speaker 1: know they're they're showing their muscles and how they can
Speaker 1: flex them. But you see like a like a bodybuilder's
Speaker 1: leg from their hip to their knee. That's the way
Speaker 1: it looked, but it was longer. I've heard of dog
Speaker 1: man people say that they're shorter when it comes to
Speaker 1: the hip area down to its legs, but this guy
Speaker 1: was pretty huge. I mean, the legs, the link from
Speaker 1: their feet to their hip was pretty long. And then
Speaker 1: the V shape going up towards its hips to the
Speaker 1: ribs was like a V. And you can see all
Speaker 1: the muscle layers up to its shoulders and its back
Speaker 1: arms again like a bodybuilder, you can see the biceps
Speaker 1: and the triceps, and you know on the rear of
Speaker 1: the back of the arm where you could just see
Speaker 1: it where it was flexing coming down from the tree
Speaker 1: and as it stood there with its arms down, I
Speaker 1: mean you could see the layer of muscles and or
Speaker 1: it's light brown in color. Like I said, you can
Speaker 1: see the hair, but you could still see the muscle layer.
Speaker 1: It looked pretty fit. I mean super fit should I say,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's from its hip to its feet.
Speaker 1: They're pretty long legs overall tall.
Speaker 2: You did a great job noticing all these details. Hats off, Tea.
Speaker 2: Now you described its feet as being keenid, like I
Speaker 2: don't want to read into things, just to make sure
Speaker 2: if it had Keenan style feet. Did it also have
Speaker 2: hocks instead of ankles like a hominid style like would have.
Speaker 1: I didn't really see like I get. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: from its from its calves two the bottom, that's where
Speaker 1: you could see like the back heel like where kind
Speaker 1: of like like a cat where it has its dew
Speaker 1: claw on the side on the inner side, but you
Speaker 1: can see the back of the heel. And then from
Speaker 1: the like the like if you're looking at the dog's leg,
Speaker 1: like after it comes back from from its heel, like
Speaker 1: a portion going up towards the top, that's where it
Speaker 1: would like came into the calves of the of the
Speaker 1: dog man's leg. It was just crazy looking at it
Speaker 1: is mind blowing how it. It contoured into like the
Speaker 1: human leg. But the paws were huge, I mean they were.
Speaker 1: It had a pretty white spread.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, you did agreed job noticing all
Speaker 2: these details. I'm impressed you told us that it had
Speaker 2: some pretty impressive claws, both on its toes and on
Speaker 2: its fingertips. How long would you say the claws were
Speaker 2: and did they seem to be curved or pretty straight?
Speaker 1: So they were curved, they were black in color, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to say about two inches. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say about two to two and a half inches. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought about when I go back home and go visit,
Speaker 1: I want to take a drive and have somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: just ask for permission. Maybe if they let me go
Speaker 1: in there. It's just a distance from the road and
Speaker 1: just grab a measuring tape and look at it and
Speaker 1: have somebody measure it from where the distance where I
Speaker 1: was standing, just to see how tall it was. But
Speaker 1: the hands that looked totally human. But like I said,
Speaker 1: from the thumb to the finger I've seen I've gone
Speaker 1: to the zoo and I've seen the hand from a
Speaker 1: monkey that I had a display of a drawing or
Speaker 1: you know, a picture that The length was just about
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, if it's from my thumb to the
Speaker 1: point of my finger, that's how wide it gow. That's
Speaker 1: that's the length. It was from the thumb to the
Speaker 1: back of the finger where you see your knuckle joint.
Speaker 1: It was pretty long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they were did the dog man
Speaker 2: do anything. They gave you the impression that it might
Speaker 2: have come down out of that tree because you pulled up.
Speaker 1: No, it was coming down when I was driving and
Speaker 1: I saw it. It was actually coming down from the
Speaker 1: tree already. That's when I pulled over and rolled my
Speaker 1: window down, and I was a stack like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what in the world is that? You know? But it
Speaker 1: was actually moving while I was driving by and stopped
Speaker 1: to see it. It was coming down from the tree.
Speaker 2: When it came down out of the tree and stood up,
Speaker 2: was it facing you or facing away?
Speaker 1: It was facing away. It was still facing the tree
Speaker 1: when I saw it come down and it stood there.
Speaker 1: That thing was massive, real tall, and it kind of
Speaker 1: like stepped to the side of the tree and that's
Speaker 1: when it squat down, facing away from me, giving me
Speaker 1: its back. But yeah, that that back was massive, I
Speaker 1: mean from shoulder to shoulder. Unbelievable. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: quite an experience.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. Yeah, I don't doubt that
Speaker 2: at all. If it wasn't facing you, Phil's facing away
Speaker 2: from you, did it seem to be aware of your presence.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes, because my truck had a kind
Speaker 1: of like a little rumble. It was stock mufflers, stock engine,
Speaker 1: but it still had a little a little rumble in it,
Speaker 1: you know, and opening up the door, those eighty five
Speaker 1: chevies you can hear when somebody opens those doors. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it was aware of my presence. But it
Speaker 1: was like I saw it like it was like no
Speaker 1: big deal that I was there. I was doing like
Speaker 1: it was kind of like I'm doing my own thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm minding my own business. It didn't show aggression.
Speaker 1: But the thing was when when I took action and
Speaker 1: did what I wasn't supposed to do, That's when it
Speaker 1: turned around and it looked over its shoulder and looked
Speaker 1: at me, and I was like, oh boy, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I truly believe at one hundred percent that it was
Speaker 1: aware that I was there, but it was like minding
Speaker 1: its own business. I truly. I think that they don't
Speaker 1: really mean harm to anybody. It's just they just want
Speaker 1: to be left alone. And why it wasn't aggressive like
Speaker 1: I've seen others other people tell their stories are pretty aggressive.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I never saw its teeth, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it. Definitely knew I was there though.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't doubt that at all. Let's break this
Speaker 2: down now. You said you're pulling up and as you're
Speaker 2: pulling up, it was already coming down out of the
Speaker 2: tree and it hit the ground. It wasn't facing you,
Speaker 2: it was facing away. You pulled up to a stop,
Speaker 2: and you're just observing it. How much time in seconds
Speaker 2: would you say past between the time when you stopped
Speaker 2: the truck and fired on it.
Speaker 1: I am going to say from the time I stopped
Speaker 1: I saw coming out from the tree, stood there and
Speaker 1: grabbed my rifle and just saw it, just saw it
Speaker 1: squatting down. I didn't fire right away. I just stood there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say maybe less than a minute, I
Speaker 1: would say, because I didn't fire right away, I just
Speaker 1: stood there watching it, trying to see what it's your reaction,
Speaker 1: what it was it going to do? Was it going
Speaker 1: to stand up? Again, whether it's still chewing that I
Speaker 1: couldn't see because it was facing away from you and
Speaker 1: it's back towards me. But I'm going to say about
Speaker 1: a minute, probably less, I see.
Speaker 2: Well that's more time than I expected. I thought you'd
Speaker 2: say just a matter of seconds. So that's good to know.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know when a situation like that happens, your brains
Speaker 2: are going to just run out of your ears, so
Speaker 2: your thoughts are going to be all over the place.
Speaker 1: But yes, looking.
Speaker 2: Back on that time there rick, knowing how you were
Speaker 2: thinking about everything played out, Why did you shoot that thing?
Speaker 2: You made it clear it wasn't threatening you at all,
Speaker 2: So why did you shoot it? I'm not placing blame
Speaker 2: on you. I'm not judging you. I'm just trying to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And you know, up to this day, I
Speaker 1: cannot understand why I did that. I regret it so much.
Speaker 1: And I'm the kind of person that believes and if
Speaker 1: I'm going to to kill it because I'm going to
Speaker 1: eat it, you know, I'm gonna go hunt for something
Speaker 1: that I'm going to eat, you know, not just kill
Speaker 1: it and leave it there because it's not doing anything
Speaker 1: to me. And I have that huge regret that still
Speaker 1: haunts me to this day, knowing that I shot at
Speaker 1: its buttocks, and I think to myself, boy, that was
Speaker 1: the most horriblest thing I could have ever done, and
Speaker 1: shoot it and it wasn't doing anything to me. But
Speaker 1: I still don't understand why that was my reaction. I
Speaker 1: just don't know. I can't wrap it around me. It's
Speaker 1: just why why did I do that? I had no
Speaker 1: reason too, I just I myself can't understand that. Why
Speaker 1: I have the hugest regret.
Speaker 2: Man, don't be too hard on yourself. I mean, you
Speaker 2: were in shock. You never were prepared to see anything
Speaker 2: like that, so it's hard to say what a person's
Speaker 2: going to do when they're in a situation like that. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, don't be too rough on yourself. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those things. Now, it sounds to me
Speaker 2: like that round when it hit the dog Man didn't
Speaker 2: have much of an effect at all. That's how you
Speaker 2: said it played out. I'm wondering what was that rifle
Speaker 2: chambered in.
Speaker 1: It was a twenty two magnum hollow point. Ah.
Speaker 2: That explains a lot.
Speaker 1: Then it feels like like if I'd thrown a rock
Speaker 1: at it. It just like I didn't do anything to it.
Speaker 1: That's why you hear some of my friends. I would
Speaker 1: have taken my big rifle, my gun, I said. Believe me,
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have had any kind of
Speaker 1: effect on it. The best thing is just to walk away,
Speaker 1: leave it alone. You know, well you pretty much did
Speaker 1: throw a rock at it. That's what it amounted to.
Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't know what dog men were back then. Obviously,
Speaker 2: what do you think it was? Do you think it
Speaker 2: was just a flesh and blood creature that you came
Speaker 2: upon that night? Do you think it might have been
Speaker 2: a supernatural being, i e. A spiritual creature, a spiritual being?
Speaker 2: What do you think it was? My thoughts were because
Speaker 2: my father I still have my dad, but my father
Speaker 2: was also a hunter. He did a lot of fishing,
Speaker 2: always out there in the woods, and he had told me,
Speaker 2: he would tell me, if you're going to go hunting,
Speaker 2: always take your rifle and a hanggun. Have your your
Speaker 2: hanggun by your side on a holster. Never leave your
Speaker 2: handgun behind because you don't know what you're going to
Speaker 2: run into when you're out there. And that kind of
Speaker 2: made me think, like, what have you seen that you
Speaker 2: have not told me he knew something. But I know
Speaker 2: he also told me because the wild hogs once starts squealing,
Speaker 2: you know, they draw the attention of the others.
Speaker 1: And he told me. He says, they can really rip
Speaker 1: somebody apart. And he says, once you're up in the tree,
Speaker 1: you have nothing to defend yourself with. You're gonna throw
Speaker 1: the rifle, but you gotta have your handgun by your side.
Speaker 1: That's always the best thing to do, the smartest thing
Speaker 1: to do. And I say, well, that's one. But what
Speaker 1: has he really seen. I mean, as a child, I
Speaker 1: remember going fishing with him and it sounded like a
Speaker 1: four or five hundred pound guy jumped into the lake
Speaker 1: or into the river and you hear a huge splash.
Speaker 1: And of course I was probably like six or seven
Speaker 1: at the time, and you know, that would scare me.
Speaker 1: The first thing he would do is just grab his
Speaker 1: rifle or hear twigs breaking on the ground where something
Speaker 1: was walking and grab his rifle quick with a flashlight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's you know, some good advice, you know,
Speaker 1: never leave.
Speaker 2: It sounds to me like he might have known a
Speaker 2: thing or two about what was going on out there.
Speaker 1: Yes, but looking at it, I believe now that I
Speaker 1: have studied, and of course we've read the Bible and
Speaker 1: know a lot of things. Mike's father in love knew
Speaker 1: a lot, and we will talk so much. He taught
Speaker 1: me so much too, things that he won't talk to
Speaker 1: or stand up there and preach. Should I say, he
Speaker 1: kept a lot of things to himself, and he shared
Speaker 1: a lot of things with me. But I believe that
Speaker 1: they were created because I myself believes that the Nippilim
Speaker 1: did exist in this world at one time, and the
Speaker 1: DNAs were crossed and they bought so much knowledge with them,
Speaker 1: and I truly believe that they were their hybrids, that
Speaker 1: they created themselves with different types of DNAs from other creatures,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people, and I myself believed that
Speaker 1: that's why the world was destroyed with water to cleanse
Speaker 1: the area, because the DNA was so manipulated. And you
Speaker 1: hear in different religions how different beasts existed in this world,
Speaker 1: different creatures. But that's what I believe. I myself believe that, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've always existed, and there's a lot of tunnels and
Speaker 1: caves underground. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a deep rabbit hole, very deep. There
Speaker 2: are so many things about this world that we just
Speaker 2: don't understand. We're never going to understand. It's just one
Speaker 2: of those reasons. That's just one of the many reasons
Speaker 2: that dog men are so mysterious, and I guess we
Speaker 2: feel the way we do when we see them or
Speaker 2: have them around. Besides the sound of it climbing down
Speaker 2: out of that tree, did you ever hear it make
Speaker 2: any other sounds, any other noises?
Speaker 1: No? No, No, like grunting or growls, anything like that.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you know, it's like one where when
Speaker 1: we see the unknown, I know, so many things are
Speaker 1: blocked or we see things that it's like our everything's
Speaker 1: over exaggerated. I've seen people who are scared of a
Speaker 1: roach or a mouse and they said, yeah, it stood
Speaker 1: up in its hind legs, And you know, they see
Speaker 1: all these things at the moments when they're We're at
Speaker 1: there there in that moment of being scared, you know,
Speaker 1: anything it could be possible for that person in their
Speaker 1: imagination as they're scared. But to me, I was not scared.
Speaker 1: I was just drawn to it. I was interested in
Speaker 1: and seeing it do other things. You know, what else
Speaker 1: can I observe? But I didn't hear it growl. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear it any kind of yelping. Even when I
Speaker 1: shot it, it just flinched. I didn't hear it too
Speaker 1: it's food or because I thought maybe it was seating
Speaker 1: on a squirrel when it was coming down from a tree,
Speaker 1: had a little snack or something. But yeah, no, no
Speaker 1: any kind of sound. It was like we were in
Speaker 1: a bubble. There was no sound, no noise, no nothing.
Speaker 1: I was just dead silent.
Speaker 2: Let's play that should have? Could have? Would a game?
Speaker 2: Now if you could go back and relive that experience, Rick,
Speaker 2: what would you do differently?
Speaker 1: Number One, I would have stayed in my truck and
Speaker 1: just observed it to see where it would go, how
Speaker 1: it walked, if it would climb back up a tree,
Speaker 1: or who knows, maybe there was another one close by,
Speaker 1: you know, And I definitely wouldn't have not shot it.
Speaker 1: If I could take that back, and I was just
Speaker 1: never have done that. I would just stay in my
Speaker 1: truck and observed it walking away or climbing back up
Speaker 1: a tree. But that always lingers in my mind. And
Speaker 1: what if there was another one close by? I would
Speaker 1: have just left it alone and just observed it walking
Speaker 1: away or whatever it did. And I wish a million
Speaker 1: times that I had had a camera or something with me.
Speaker 1: There's so many things I wish I would have done different,
Speaker 1: but my number one is never to have shot that
Speaker 1: poor thing and stayed in my truck.
Speaker 2: Second, well, I think you besides shooting it, I think
Speaker 2: you handled everything well. Of course, like you, I wish
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have shot it, but you can't go back
Speaker 2: and change what you did. It's just one of those things.
Speaker 2: You have to just live with it and move on.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Havn't said all that. It's obvious Rick learned some things
Speaker 2: about dog men by that experience, But what did you
Speaker 2: learn about yourself.
Speaker 1: Knowing that they exist? About myself is just the calmness,
Speaker 1: don't react too fast and situations like that and leave
Speaker 1: them alone. That it didn't affect me mentally. I've heard
Speaker 1: people drinking themselves to death, smoking chain smoking, and just
Speaker 1: staying indoors and not going outside anymore. I'm really more
Speaker 1: observant on my surroundings. I pay a lot of attention
Speaker 1: to detail. Is just keep trying to keep that to
Speaker 1: myself and trying to find out to see if there's
Speaker 1: other people out there like me that are interested in that,
Speaker 1: and finding out some more things and just leaving nature alone.
Speaker 1: I found out that, you know what, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hunt anymore. I don't want to hurt creatures unless
Speaker 1: I really have to, and you know I'm going to
Speaker 1: eat them for survival, should I say? But other than that,
Speaker 1: just leaving nature alone, it's just caring about it more.
Speaker 1: It may be more sensitive to my surroundings and being
Speaker 1: more caring about nature overall.
Speaker 2: Sure sounds to me like you learned a good lesson
Speaker 2: that day. As long as you can say that, then yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely a net gain. Well, it's about time for
Speaker 2: us to get out of here. But before we do,
Speaker 2: do you have any closing comments you want to put
Speaker 2: out there for us?
Speaker 1: Just keep the dog Man's stories coming, share some good adventures,
Speaker 1: and stay safe. Yeah, mainly just stay safe and keep
Speaker 1: your distance.
Speaker 2: That's always good advice, it really is. Well, Rick, I
Speaker 2: can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the details
Speaker 2: of that experience with us. I really appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sure thing, And if I can ever help you, please
Speaker 2: let me know. I'll be there for you.
Speaker 1: Will do thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a
Speaker 2: great night.
Speaker 1: MS. English