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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Hardwood Knox stickos.

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Speaker 2: I am dem Valley coming at you with the one,

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the only, the certified, fantabulous, mister Grant Hughes, it's another

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NBA trade deadline primer time. We are on to the

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reigning champion Oklahoma City Thunder, who quite frankly, might as

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well just blow it up at this point because they

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seem so human. Has nothing to do with injuries whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: They are screwed. Grant, you have anything else or you

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want to take us out of here.

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Speaker 3: I'm just excited to talk about the Thunder as sellers

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since they've lost two home games in a row for

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the first time in several years.

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Speaker 1: November twenty twenty three. That's nuts.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the cor just doesn't have it, you know, and

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it's it's better to end it too soon than too late.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Shae for Cat, and like, let's just they need

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a big man clearly who's healthier.

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Speaker 1: So Shae for Cat. Let's be sure, it's.

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Speaker 3: A change of scenerything. I think everybody could really benefit

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from that.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into their trade deadline vitals. So for Okase,

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they are somehow they're a million dollars below the Tacks.

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They are twenty three point seven million dollars into the

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second apron, so file that away if you are thinking

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about moves that they might make, but they're protected to

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be twenty three point seven million in the second apron

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for next year. That includes guaranteeing the contracts for Isaiah Hartenstein,

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Lou Dort, and Kenrich Williams. It does not include any

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of the inbound rookies that they would have. Speaking of rookies, Grant,

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I don't know if you've heard, but the Thunder might

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have some extra first round picks. They have all of

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their own, and then let's go through it year by year.

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In twenty twenty six, they also will get the two

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most favorable of their own, Houston's with top five protection

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and the Clippers. They own Utah's that's top eight protected,

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that's not going to convey. And then they own the

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Philadelphia seventy six ers that's top four protection after it

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didn't convey last year. In twenty twenty seven, the Thunder

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have the two most favorable of their own, the Clippers

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and Denver's pick, which has top five protection on it.

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They also get San Antonio's that has top sixteen protection.

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In twenty twenty eight they have swap rights with Dallas,

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and then in twenty twenty nine they have the Denver

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Nuggets' first round pick, that is with top five protection.

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It's it still seems like they have a lot of picks,

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but like we're reaching the point to where it's manageable

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to put these little outlines together and not be overwhelmed

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with the sheer amount of draft obligations that the thunder have.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean it's still still looking pretty good,

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but but it is it is at least like sort

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of manageable, I guess, especially with like the sixers pick's

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going to go, you know, so we can just kind

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of check that one off the list and there'll be

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a few more of those, I really, maybe one each

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for the next four or five years. So like a

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little more manageable. I don't know that that clarifies the

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real question, which is like, all right, when do we

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start if or when they start kind of using some

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of these to do something or try to establish Like

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I don't know, how do you feel about like, yeah,

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we know who their core is, but like what you know,

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we've talked in the past about well, let's give up

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some of these more near term picks for ones down

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the road. To just recomplicate the picture again after we

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just talked about how it's fairly relatively simple, do you

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have a sense of like if or when some of

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these picks might move or do you think they'll just

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use them? You know, because that's possible, that's doable. But

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at some point it gets to be like, you can't

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you certainly can't play all these guys that you might

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be using first round picks on, and the paying of

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the of these guys also becomes sort of all we're

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almost there, right, Like it almost is an issue where

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like Hartenstein and Dort, you know, you don't have to

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do it right away, but like, well, those guys might

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be casualties at some point, right, Like that's we're kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you look at them. You look at

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just Cason Wallace because he's going to be extension eligible.

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think you look at Isaiah Joon Aaron Wiggins.

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Speaker 1: I don't they don't.

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Speaker 2: This team should be willing to pay the second apron

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for at least a year, if not that least right right,

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If not, THEMN who. But I do think a lot

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of it's just going to depend on how this season ends.

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But I think we start to see some type of reshuffling,

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whether it's them moving salaries around or moving some of

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these pick around picks around, kicking them into the distance.

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I think that starts to happen this summer. I guess

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do you assign any concern to the way they've been

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playing over the past month and a half or so?

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They are as we're recording this thirteen and nine since December,

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I think it's thirteenth, still top ten in offense and defense.

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They can't rebound, they've they've been so injured at points.

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most notable one deal with something. Now you have Loudort

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the Jadub hamstring strain, and he wasn't healthy to start

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the year and look like himself when he comes back.

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And so I ask you this to say, is there

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any I guess one do you view the thunder as

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more vulnerable to the point where they should be more

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open to making a trade, Because I think we all

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just looked at this and said that maybe they'll dump

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boost them on, but they're not gonna do anything else.

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But two, is there a chance maybe that they try

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to get out in front of anything financially to where no,

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they're not dumping salary necessarily, but they're trying to maybe

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either roll over first into more different first, or they're trying.

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Speaker 1: To get cheaper. They're like, let's use Isaiah Hertenstein as

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an example. This is just a theory. It doesn't work financially.

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It just came to me.

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Speaker 2: But like, if you wanted to move his salary to

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get someone who's another center who's under contracts for cheaper

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for a longer term, I've just flat out before throwing

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it to you. I don't think they're gonna do that.

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I would probably actively advocate against it because I still

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think this team is unbeatable fully healthy, maybe with the

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exception of playing the healthy Nuggets team, or hey, maybe

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with playing a team, you know, the second string Nuggets

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at this point. But I'm just wondering, because it is

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every team goes through ruts. But it's just something to

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I think at least worth a little bit of discussion.

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Speaker 3: It is. I think that's right. I mean, I the

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injuries of can't get too far into the concern trolling

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before you have to just concede, like, well they they really,

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it The question would be, is it concerning that they

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seem to really need Hartenstein? For example? You know, like

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as that is, I don't know where he fall. Is

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he the fifth most important player? You would have said

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maybe sixth, I don't know, but like now the rebounding

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the well now like it seems higher, right because like

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him being out is has it doesn't necessarily affect like

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the three point variant stuff, which is still a factor,

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but just some of the they really are best when

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they don't have to play chet at a at center

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like all the time. Like that's pretty demonstrably clear. And

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and I just think maybe it's not Hartenstein in particular,

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although like his rim defense, his you know, short role finishing,

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like all that stuff is you know, you can't just

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throw another big in there and assume you're getting the

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same thing. But I just answer the question, I don't

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think this recent stretch where they've looked mortal should make

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them do anything they weren't already considering doing, which is

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to say, like what you mentioned of more of like

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a three year time horizon planning kind of trade, you know, thing,

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as opposed to like, we got to go get another

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big I mean, I could see it, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe they knew that anyway, or they saw

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that as maybe a concern anyway, or we need another

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shooter or whatever you thought the needs were. I just

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can't get that exercised about a team that played like

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one hundred games last year and plays a style that's

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really physically exhausting, and this is just this just happens

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to titled defenders right Like. It's not like their postseason

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run was super short the year before either, so as

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young as they are, nobody's bulletproof. So it's just an

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injury thing to me. And I don't think it should

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meaningfully change what they might have might or might not

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have done at this deadline. I don't like the no

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one's saying panic, but like even even like the idea

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that this should change their overall like sets of plans.

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I can't quite get there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think what you brought up that's interesting is it

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does seem people are divided on if the thunder we're

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going to make a trade or if the thunder we're

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going to acquire someone who does it need to be

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because I think you mentioned a big and when you

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look at kind of the injuries and how important Hartenstein

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is as a rebounder, defender, even just as a decision

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maker on offense to where you're not going to get

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that same level of certainly from Jay Will, but even

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from chet Holmgren is just not the same type of

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playmaker Asaiya Hartenstein is. But you could also say, well,

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they need shooting. They're shooting under thirty five percent on

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wide open threes during this treasure.

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Speaker 1: They look mortal. You could also.

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Speaker 2: Say, well, if we're looking at them playing, whether Jadub's

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healthy or not, the way that teams sell out to

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go after shake Gilgess Alexander is absolutely agregious and by

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the way, I would do the same thing, especially if

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JJR is not on the floor. Well, then do they

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need like another ball handler who's going to be able

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to attack better than an aj Mitchell or a case

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in Wallace or just like anyone else who is out there. Again,

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I don't think they need to do anything nuclear, but

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what do you view if they were to make a move.

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What do you view as their most pressing priority?

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Speaker 3: I think, and this is weirdly not like all that

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tied to their recent play, although maybe it's It is like,

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what have we always said about the you know, this

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version of the Thunder, is that like just somebody else

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on the second side other than Jadab, or that that

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you trust more than Jadab to initiate action when Shay

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gets forced off the ball, and or like this now

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we're talking about a much different kind of player, someone

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that could you know, we think it's Jadab and he's

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mostly put that narrative to bed, but like when Shaye's

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not on the floor at all, like and maybe maybe

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the solve is it's someone that can serve as like

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a good or like an improved secondary creator when it

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is Shay off Jadab on and Jadab is the primary guy.

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Just I feel like, if you're looking at the totality

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of the Thunder over the last whatever two and a

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half years, that's still to me, is the thing I think,

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because I have no issues defensively once Hartenstein's back, like

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the rebounding should be okay, and they win enough of

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the other types of possession battle stats to survive substandards.

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Speaker 2: At the rebounds they don't get, they'll just offset it

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with forced turnovers.

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Speaker 3: Right, so your possessions are fine. Yeah, it's an old answer,

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but I still think it might be the relevant one,

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which is just can you get somebody that can make

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a play with the ball that's not Shay?

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Speaker 2: I do think what's really it's not really tough. I

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don't even know if I agree with you. I think

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things that quote unquote they could use the bar for cracking.

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Their rotation is so high that I'm not advocating for

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them to throw a bunch of picks on the table

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get player X. But you do if you're going to

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acquire someone if they're not going to be in the

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top eight of your rotation, isn't there kind of a

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what's the point here? How how's if you got Sam

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Hauser to fill a shooting need? That's there'll be playoff

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games where Sam Hawser isn't playing on this roster.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's he's what what percent better than Isaiah Joe,

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ask him to do the same stuff. Basically, so how much.

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I don't even know what Joe's shooting this year, but

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I trust his shooting.

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Speaker 1: He's been rickety like, but you trust.

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Speaker 3: Thirty nine percent. Though on the season for three always feels.

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Speaker 2: Like he's missing, you know how, it's just h he's

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got a little Michael Porter Junior in him where it's

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just like he's it feels like he's the most erratic

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dead eye shooter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know who Caruso and Jay Will are

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both just barely over thirty percent. But like maybe Jay

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He's just playing eighteen, so it's not it's not like

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there's a lot to pull, but like the type of

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thing you're talking about, where where are those minutes gonna

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get dragged away from if you do go make a trade,

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like you're not taking Carusose minutes away at least in

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the playoffs. You know, maybe it's Wiggins and Joe that

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just play less.

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Speaker 2: And which is also why if you're gonna pull minutes away,

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it's better to acquire someone who checks multiple boxes of

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what you need because then it gets easier to justify

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making that decision. Otherwise, I think whoever you're acquiring here

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is very breaking case of emergency, or close not even

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breaking case of emergency. But you've looked at your roster

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and said, there's just been injuries cropping up left and right.

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Let's go out and get if we're so, we can

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start throwing out targets now. But it's a big It's yeah,

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we could get Dayren Sharp. I don't know if he's

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gonna is he gonna play over Jay Will when Hartenstein,

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Holmgren and Jay Will are healthy. If Sharp's on your team,

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assuming jay Will isn't moved as part of that deal,

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which I don't think he would be, Who's who's the

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third big you could ask? You could I've seen Io'd

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assume move link to them, and I guess he could

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check a couple boxes where I don't consider him a

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capslock shooter, but he could. He defends and certainly makes

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a play with the ball and has a little bit

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more size than some of their other guards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, it's funny you went with Dissumu. I

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was just thinking, like, Okay, so let's say I don't

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think this is the guy either, but if it's Kobe

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White or or maybe ke On Ellis is another one.

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I'm just thinking of guys that like. Ellis is the

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one who purportedly the Kings want a first round or

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first rounder for him, And it's like, what's more, sorry,

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what's more? Like?

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Speaker 2: You know, you're right, Kings, the King's getting a first

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rounder for ke On Ellis or the Hornets getting two

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first rounders for Miles Bridges.

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Speaker 3: The Kings, that's easy because you're never getting too first

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for Bridges. Well, just be I'm trying to like what

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I'm trying to like expresses that the thund it doesn't

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make sense for the Thunder to pay the market rate

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for players like that because of what you're talking about

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where it's like you said dessum un I was like,

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that's a good player. Every team should want him. How

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many Knights is he gonna be better than like all

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of Caruso, Wallace, Dort Wiggins, Mitchell, you know, like he's

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he's got to be so good, He's just not gonna.

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So it's not the point is it's not worth it

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to the Thunder to give what it would cost to

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get that player and beat the market for that player

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because that player will just mean less for them, you know,

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So the counter is, well, they got all these extra picks,

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so their picks mean less to them too. But it's

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just like you, as the thunder is this is a

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great problem. They're so good and so deep that it's

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like it actually makes less sense to pay market rates

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for a player that another team like could absolutely justify

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giving up a first for key On else because he

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might start for you and play forty minutes or you know,

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like that's not the case here.

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Speaker 2: I think also what the thunder to run into is

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that they're so flexible, but they're not gonna pay the

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tax this year, and so while they do have the

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flexibility and make some lopsided trades, I would assume what

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was intriguing because it's, hey, doesn't impact our tax Usman

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Jang's the matching salary. If it's only now, if we're

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talking about guys who costs a first round pick, I think.

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Speaker 1: The bar just needs to be higher.

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Speaker 2: But if it's to Sunmu and you able, what is

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it the oak hum, say like nineteen seconds or some

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shit that they can trade if you have enough enticing

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one like he's an expiring contract. I like him as

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a player, but I'm not giving up a first round

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pick for I would assume if he's starting for me,

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I'm not giving up a first round pick for him,

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So that might be why he would be intriguing.

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Speaker 1: Or I even thought like, is it worth it to

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this guy smaller?

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Speaker 2: But if you know their cost controlled for another year

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or two and this guy is do you throw n

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We don't really need this first round pick at the

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Knicks to get a Deuce McBride in there who takes

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care of the shooting at least I don't know if

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he's not. There's a little bit of like off the

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dribbled juice to him, but he's not setting up place

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or anyone doesn't really run your offense like that. But

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he's making three point eight million dollars next year and

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four million dollars this year, And so if you can

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rope in another team U Zusmanjang, do you look at

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doing something like that? And then it's really you're just saying, well,

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we don't know, with like, how do we feel about

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j Dubb does lou doort injury? Alex Caruso's always injured,

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and maybe does does a Deuce McBride because he's cheap

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for another year, and maybe you just think he's going

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to be cheaper moving forward when you're evaluating, well, what

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do we do with Lou Dort or Alex Caruso specifically,

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like the guys who are more expensive.

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Speaker 1: Does that insulate you a little bit?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 2: Not very compelling to me, But like the iodassuming one is,

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if it's Usman Jang for iod assume one, you just

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need to throw seconds at Chicago to make it work.

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I could see that having some value. But again it's

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to your point, everyone's healthy? Is iodossume move? Playing over

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caseon Wallace, aj Mitchell, Lou Door, Alex Caruso. Definitely not Caruso.

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Caruso's healthy, right, I don't even like Cason Wallace either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no noise no, I I like. I think the

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related sort of thing to consider there is like, sure,

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you know the relatively much cheaper, relatively good cost control

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on someone like McBride. You pay in draft picks to

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acquire that guy, And then is the move like, well,

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now we can move off of Isaiah Joe because McBride

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can just play those minutes and we're gonna save eight

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million dollars a year? Like is that is? It? Is

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that what you're using your draft assets? To accomplish Like

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that feels like kind of small potatoes to you know,

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to be giving up you got all this, You got

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the surplus of assets, like I don't think you want

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to be using them to try to like just get

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slightly cheaper in your eighth and ninth and tenth guys,

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Like that feels weird. And then when to talk about

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cost control too, like Nicole Topa is gonna play at

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some point maybe next year, right, Like yeah, like Thomas

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Sorber is probably going to play at some point, And

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are you willing to give up assets for short term

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fixes now? Maybe because you are panicking because you're thirteen

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to nine or of the last twenty two or whatever,

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knowing that, Like I don't know, did you know there's

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that's that other factor of like there's these other guys

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in the pipeline that were hide picks and you presumably

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value Like is it?

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Speaker 1: Does it?

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Speaker 3: Just? Are you ballsy enough to just not do anything now?

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Trust you're good enough to be what you want to

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be this year? And then you've got two brand new

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lottery picks like showing up next year, you know what

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I mean? Like you'd have to be pretty concerned about

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this year's outlook to really even to get into the

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dissum moo McBride, Kobe White whatever, like interesting dissum.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, is so the asset outlay wouldn't

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be that high to where what would what would three

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seconds be to?

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Speaker 3: Okay say nothing nothing, you're right, but it's just but

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then it's like, Okay, he's a good example, especially because

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he sort of is similar to the guys that he

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would be like taking minutes from Yeah, if it's seconds whatever,

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who cares? But like I don't know, I don't And

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I guess he comes off the books. Sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also, I don't know if assume is available for bad

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for you know, a couple seconds. Don't you think he's

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gonna go for someone's gonna be better than that? I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna parrot what mort said. And there's no rhyme

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or reason to what the Bulls actually do. They are

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one of the worst trade negotiators in the league. And again,

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I guess we just disagree on is someone going to

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do better than three seconds for iod soon?

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Speaker 1: Mu? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean someone someone should because he's way more valuable

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to basically every other team than the Thunder, because the

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Thunder have a lot of guys that do what he does,

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so someone should be willing to beat what they can offer.

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Speaker 2: But again it's their approximity of the attacks also IOD

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assumers specifically. But if you were trying to I try

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to think Jalen Smith could kind of make some sense

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on this team. Is there a way to get him?

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Even getting him as a standalone value?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: Are you willing to give up if you're not going

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into the tax, you're not just giving up Usban Jang?

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Are you willing to give up Kendrick Williams who's been

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playing well recently, that's not a trade. Or if you

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were getting both Jalen Smith and Iota soon Mu, is

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that a trade where you'd be willing to put Wiggins

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or Joe on top of Uspanjeng on the table. I mean,

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if you put one of them, you probably out. It's

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Chicago giving you assets back in that deal. But I

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don't That doesn't fixture because the sumer was fine as

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a shooter, and Jalen Smith has stretched the way he

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plays and he's had some pretty good defensive stands lately.

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Speaker 1: But that just doesn't compel me.

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Speaker 2: And so that just leads me into the only spicy

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idea that I have, because I feel like we're required

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to throw out.

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Speaker 1: Spicy ideas in these things.

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Speaker 2: What if they I'm trying to check multiple boxes year

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and I'm thinking it's just like another big in the

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rotation he has cost controlled relative to what they have

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moving forward, has stretch to him. Would you consider looking

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at on Yeka kung Wu thunder have choose your own

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adventure assets he could play. I don't even know you

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could build your package without including Isaiah Hartenstein in that.

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So you could have just a three man big rotation

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of Hartenstein, on Yeka kung Wu and chat Holmgrid. No,

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no problem, all three. You can mix and match however

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you want with those guys. But now we're going into oh,

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this costs real assets to do. But with Isaiah Hartenstein's

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team option on Kongo's on the books for noticeably sub

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twenty million dollars, does he have another two years?

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Speaker 3: Hardenstein's gonna make more than that? Like I would strongly

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suspect because because I.

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Speaker 2: Think you're right more than Yeah, my god, the O

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Kungo deal is so stupid. He's on the books for

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another two years and thirty three million dollars total.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. That's like mid level money.

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Speaker 2: M hmmm.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's worth looking at. I thought you

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were going to go even bigger, and it's just like, well,

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you could throw together Hartenstein and dort with with Kendrich Williams,

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all those guys have team options for next year, and

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let's just throw all the picks and just get Yannis

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and just call it good. Here's the money. Would you

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could in the year with similar money going forward? Figure

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it out?

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Speaker 2: I think Janni's only fixes one need for this team,

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and that's just the non Shay like creation. And then

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he creates another issue with his space.

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Speaker 3: Right he does? I mean yeah, he just just use

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him in the Hartenstein role. You know, he plays like

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twenty four minutes when he's healthy, Just just a short

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roll passer guy, probably a little better finisher. I could

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see it. Yeah. No, I think I think we've kind

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of gone through some of the like I don't think

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like those just just to canvas the usual suspects like

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Michael Porter Junior doesn't do anything for me here, not

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that they're even in the market for like the bigger

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names like Trey Murphy would be great, but I just

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that's one actually where it's like, I don't think they need.

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Speaker 1: To see check boxes.

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Speaker 3: Well, right, that's the thing. He gives you the like

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a really good off ball shooter, second side slasher. Yeah,

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not going to create a ton on his own, but

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like against the shifting defense, I like him attacking, but

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I think I think he's just if one, he may

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not be available at all, which is stupid. The Pelicans

482
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should absolutely be taking offers. And two that's one where

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I think you probably it's probably not worth it to

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them to pay what it would cost to win this

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weepstakes for Trey Murphy. I don't think because like you said,

486
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what boxes is he checking?

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Speaker 2: I think the way to boil it down, and I

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think they might be open to like a little bit

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more stacking where it's I know Thomas Serber's injured and

490
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maybe they plan on him playing a bigger role this

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year than we even thought just based off what's happened, But.

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Speaker 1: Would they be willing to attach him to Ustman Jang.

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, for me,

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it's who can you get with seconds Usman Jang's salary,

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and then you're staying under the tax. I think that

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there's no point to me in unless they capsize in

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the playoffs. I don't want to mess with the fabric

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of this team, like the dynamic behind the scenes too,

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Like does it send a weird message if you're shaking

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up this roster? I think it's now. If you're worried

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about I'll say Hartenstein and Jadub specifically long term, those

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would be the inflection points of okay, maybe we need

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to do something, but otherwise it's usman jang seconds staying

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under the tax. Who could you get for that? I

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would assume Moo fits that dayrn Sharp fits that. I'm

506
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gonna throw it a really spicy name here. Glandale fits that.

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So if you just wanted like another like you can

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do something like that because you're not giving up anyone

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that matters, And like, do you like Eves Mesi for

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this team?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: Wants a first round pick for him, but they certainly

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have a ton of seconds and in okay, see so

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I think that's the territory that they are in, and

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that frankly, that's how I would operate at the at

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the deb I mean I might poke around on Yaka

517
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kung Wu, just like to see what that would look like.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, no, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Al Horford yet. I think

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actually he would make a lot of sense. And if

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you threw a bunch of seconds in Jang's salary at

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the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Oh, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 2: We are fresh off our New York Knicks primer and

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I basically propose the same idea, and you told me,

526
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hell no, this.

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Speaker 3: Is from the Thunder's perspective, Like this isn't the Warriors perspective.

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Speaker 2: The podcast is fracturing and fissuring right before your very eyes.

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Do you have anything else for the Thunder? Are you

530
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,480
ready to take us out of here?

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Speaker 1: Nope.

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Speaker 3: I think my hot take is that they're fine, and

533
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it's they smoked in the first round before I start

534
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getting concerned, and even then probably not.

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Speaker 2: I honestly, because it would probably be because someone was injured.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I think they're gonna win the West. It's honestly, I.

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Speaker 2: Only view not that I only view the Nuggets, but

538
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four times and seven tries, if everyone's like eighty percent healthy,

539
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the Nuggets are like kind of the only team for me.

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Speaker 3: Yep, not worried. Thanks everybody for listening. Remember to rate,

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review and subscribely with some comments here rate the Thunders.

542
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,200
I don't know panic level on a scale of well

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one to two, because that's as high as it's allowed

544
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to go. Tell your friends, tell your enemies, Joinner Discoruglings

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for that in YouTube and podcast description. Until next time,

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shouts to Franklin Lakina. Apologies Jared Allen