Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hey guys, Welcome to episode thirty four, Episode
Speaker 1: thirty four of The Strange Thing Podcast. I am Mike
Speaker 1: and I'm Austin, and you.
Speaker 2: Are in the Stranges Ze.
Speaker 1: I went for Didgerido.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, I thought that was pretty cool. Speaking
Speaker 2: of pretty cool, Okay, there is something that we're going
Speaker 2: to do this next week that is very cool, and
Speaker 2: so I thought, let's do a little bit of ground
Speaker 2: bedrock lane.
Speaker 1: Let's lay that, Let's lay it, lay down the foundation.
Speaker 2: The foundation of what we're gonna do. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: take a little jaunt into the paranormal. Yeah, we like
Speaker 2: the paranormal. Well, I don't know if we like it,
Speaker 2: but we're intrigued by the paranormal. So we are going
Speaker 2: to go on a paranormal adventure at a known and
Speaker 2: reputable haunted site. REI ro Yes. Here in Idaho, in Boise,
Speaker 2: which is the state capitol, there is an old penitentiary
Speaker 2: that is no longer in service. It's called the Old
Speaker 2: State Penitentiary. Yeah, yeah, and right now. It's a historical
Speaker 2: building ran by the Idaho Historical Society. Sweet, it's open
Speaker 2: for tours and things like that. I toured it in
Speaker 2: Junior High. I think it's a pretty cool place. It's
Speaker 2: all made of stone. I think it was made in
Speaker 2: like probably in the eighteen sixties, but it opened in
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: That's old.
Speaker 2: That's when it started taking prisoners, and it had a
Speaker 2: long history of incarcerating individual and over that one hundred
Speaker 2: and one years of service, there were eleven executions. Thanks. Now,
Speaker 2: there were hundreds of deaths there. Some of them were
Speaker 2: you know, old age or accidents or heart attacks, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, but eleven executions happened.
Speaker 1: There some bad guys.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too deep into all of
Speaker 2: the executions and stuff because this is more of an introduction,
Speaker 2: Like we said, it's bedrock, but I did want to
Speaker 2: talk about one.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, and this happened to be the very last execution
Speaker 2: at the Idaho State Penitentiary, at the old site.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this was number eleven.
Speaker 2: Number eleven. This is the last one before they closed
Speaker 2: down that whole thing. And it was death by hanging
Speaker 2: and it was you know, like the trapdoor kind of
Speaker 2: thing where they pulled a lever, the trap door comes
Speaker 2: out and the body falls through and it breaks the
Speaker 2: neck and they're dead short stop it yeah, sudden drop. Well,
Speaker 2: our lucky recipient of death by hanging was a man
Speaker 2: known by Noah. Their name then Raymond Snowden, Raymond SnO
Speaker 2: Raymond Snowden, otherwise known as Idaho's Jack the Ripper. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he was not a very nice guy.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like it. No, it's killed and rape prostitutes. No.
Speaker 2: The lady's name that was killed was Cora Dean. Cora
Speaker 2: and her husband had recently died within like six months,
Speaker 2: and to not be alone and to have something to do,
Speaker 2: she would go out to different bars or nightclubs and
Speaker 2: gamble and do things just to have a life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what year was this?
Speaker 2: This is in nineteen fifty six. Okay, So Cora Dean
Speaker 2: decides she's going to go out one night and she
Speaker 2: goes down to the High Ho Club.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's gonna go bebop down at the High.
Speaker 2: Hoe High Ho, High Ho. It's don to the club,
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, yeah exactly. So she goes down there
Speaker 2: and little did she know it would be her last
Speaker 2: night of life. So she goes to the club and
Speaker 2: apparently she meets this in Snowden and I guess he's
Speaker 2: trying to you know, put the moves on or whatever.
Speaker 2: Eventually kind of migrates to the alley out back of
Speaker 2: the High Home Club. Okay, yep, and that's where the
Speaker 2: dastardly deed took place. He propositions her, She says no,
Speaker 2: rejects his advances.
Speaker 1: He's a little baby, and.
Speaker 2: Says, well, you make a choice. Either you let me
Speaker 2: rape you or I am going to slit your throat.
Speaker 2: She promptly kicks him in the groin. Nice, yes, him that,
Speaker 2: but that infuriates him, of course, so he ends up
Speaker 2: slitting her throat so deeply that it severs her spinal cord.
Speaker 2: And then he proceeds to stab her twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Times that way too many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then he runs off and apparently he runs
Speaker 2: to a nearby cigar shop, and he discards the knife
Speaker 2: into the gutter outside the cigar shop, runs into the
Speaker 2: bathroom without anybody really even able to you know, like
Speaker 2: slow him down or stop him.
Speaker 1: It was in nineteen fifty whatever, they didn't have cameras
Speaker 1: on the right corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no cameras. So he runs in there. He's in
Speaker 2: there for like thirty minutes in.
Speaker 1: The bathroom, probably near mind, he's trying to wash up.
Speaker 2: He's cleaning up. I mean you can imagine there was
Speaker 2: blood spray everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The witness of the people at the cigar shop, along
Speaker 2: with finding the murder weapon in the gutter in the gutter,
Speaker 2: is what did him in. So he was convicted. He
Speaker 2: was put on death row. Fast forward. Finally his time
Speaker 2: has come and they marched him down to the hangman's
Speaker 2: news And as he's standing there on the trap door,
Speaker 2: they placed the noose over his neck and the hangman
Speaker 2: pulls the lever and he falls and I guess the
Speaker 2: height was miscalculated because it doesn't snap his neck. He's chunk.
Speaker 2: This was a new system. It was like the first
Speaker 2: time it was used for an actual hanging. And there
Speaker 2: was like a viewing pane of glass where the family
Speaker 2: members and stuff could watch the hanging take place of
Speaker 2: the victim. Right, And when the trap door slung down
Speaker 2: and he fell through the force made the thing shake.
Speaker 2: It shattered the window. Whoa, yeah, correct, so the glass
Speaker 2: went everywhere and then it didn't break his neck. He
Speaker 2: hung there and kicked for like sixteen minutes before he died.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and bad things happened to your body. I guess
Speaker 2: when you're hanging and dying, like all your bodily functions.
Speaker 1: Release makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was a big mess and he was
Speaker 2: twitching and jerking and slopping things around. It was a
Speaker 2: bad deal.
Speaker 1: Gross ye piece of shit.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that was the last execution that took place
Speaker 2: in the Old Idaho Penitentiary.
Speaker 1: Now pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Since then, because it's a national historical building, a
Speaker 2: lot of people have gone there knowing about some of these,
Speaker 2: you know, really dramatic events, and they had looked for ghosts,
Speaker 2: and many people leave that the penitentiary is haunted by
Speaker 2: the ghost of Raymond Snowden, and apparently he's manifested to people.
Speaker 2: He's you know, spoken through EVPs or whatever that his
Speaker 2: name is Raymond Snowden, and anyway, supposedly he has made contact.
Speaker 2: So he's one of the ghosts that maybe we will
Speaker 2: get to encounter as we go to the Old Idaho
Speaker 2: Penitentiary and join this paranormal investigation. It starts at like
Speaker 2: nine in the evening. You go there as the sun
Speaker 2: going down. They divide you in teams and you go
Speaker 2: around to every building on the entire penitentiary side, which
Speaker 2: is I think five hundred and one acres. Dang, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's big. But since then they divided a lot of
Speaker 2: that off that wasn't surrounded by walls, and that is
Speaker 2: now the Idaho Botanical Garden.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, I told you it was big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is big.
Speaker 1: I toured it in high school. I want to hear
Speaker 1: my angry story. It's almost as bad as this Raymonds.
Speaker 2: N Yeah, I want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I went there in junior high. Yeah, and I remember
Speaker 1: who I rode with. I'm not going to mention their names.
Speaker 1: When we got there, we did the whole tour thing.
Speaker 1: They had like a lunch break, so we just found
Speaker 1: like this spot to eat lunch, like on the grassy area.
Speaker 1: There's like some stairs and stuff. And I was drinking
Speaker 1: sunny d and my friend I was eating lunch with
Speaker 1: made a joke and I took a drink and you know,
Speaker 1: I like, you know, laughed and spitch and the dad
Speaker 1: came over and came over and chewed me out about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you have no respect for people. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's a prison, so no, I don't have respect. And
Speaker 1: two it's an accident and I'm in junior high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty traumatic.
Speaker 1: It might be tall, but you are not strong young man.
Speaker 2: That is almost on the same part as getting your
Speaker 2: next lift open.
Speaker 1: I'd say so.
Speaker 2: Well, was Austin's idea to go to the Idaho Penitentiary because.
Speaker 1: I had been there and I had this traumatic experience
Speaker 1: about the sunny d We all heard about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it on like Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been on like the Travel Channel thing.
Speaker 2: It's been on all these paranormal sites because it's very
Speaker 2: well known that there is paranormal activity there. Right, So
Speaker 2: this outfit that we're going to go with is called
Speaker 2: Big River Paranormal. We're not paranormal investigators, No, we investigate paranormal.
Speaker 1: And we start abnormal people.
Speaker 2: Yes, but we don't do it on a daily base.
Speaker 1: On our gig. And it sounds like they were at
Speaker 1: Milner's Gate and stuff.
Speaker 2: They weren't at Milner's Gate, but they were at the
Speaker 2: Tuberculosis hospital in Gooding.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, which for those of you who remember,
Speaker 3: or maybe haven't remembered because you haven't listened to it
Speaker 3: yet are I think it was Our fourth and fifth
Speaker 3: and sixth episodes all dealt.
Speaker 2: With strange things. At strange locations, and that included Milner's Gate,
Speaker 2: which is a haunted building in Twin Falls, Idaho.
Speaker 1: It's like a brewery, bar, pubby place, super good tuna tower.
Speaker 2: It was really good. Okay, we have this apparition that's
Speaker 2: appearing at Milner's Gate, not only at Milner's Gate, but
Speaker 2: apparently forty years ago with Brian and worldwide. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: this is one of the weird things. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about different apparitions later, but we're going to try
Speaker 2: to focus in on the weird things going on at
Speaker 2: Milner's Gate because I think that gives us a launch
Speaker 2: pad on the kind of apparitions that maybe we can
Speaker 2: discuss later, especially if we combine Milner's Gate with our
Speaker 2: next episode, which will be about the sanitarium and Goodie
Speaker 2: and Idaho the tuberculosis hospital. So because they're different kinds
Speaker 2: of they're different kinds of apparitions, right. So anyway, now
Speaker 2: let's go on to our next story, which is another
Speaker 2: story about an experience. It's vocalized by one of the
Speaker 2: employees at Milner's Gate, and let's listen to what she
Speaker 2: has to say.
Speaker 1: So, one of the employees at Milner's Gate is having
Speaker 1: this experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the employees had Brian record this story.
Speaker 1: Okay, and this is something that happened to this employee, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cool. They're not just like telling a story
Speaker 1: they heard there.
Speaker 2: No, this is an experience she had at Millner's Gate.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, All right, let's rolls into it.
Speaker 4: My name is osmunld'penya. I am one of the managers
Speaker 4: here at Milner's Gate, and since I started working here,
Speaker 4: I've actually had a lot of paranormal experiences here. I
Speaker 4: often close by myself when all the rest of the
Speaker 4: staff has gone home when I'm doing my reports or paperwork.
Speaker 4: And I started about a month or two after I
Speaker 4: after reopened. When I started working here, I started hearing
Speaker 4: noises downstairs, like loud, like it sounded like furniture being
Speaker 4: moved around, and it's super scary, especially when you're here
Speaker 4: by yourself. So it was kind of self I mean,
Speaker 4: it was kind of gratifying when the video came out
Speaker 4: with the barstools being moved around, because it confirmed for
Speaker 4: me that I wasn't actually hearing things that there seriously
Speaker 4: was furniture being moved around downstairs. There was another irricasion
Speaker 4: when I went down the stairs to lock some of
Speaker 4: the doors, and I walked past our boiler room area
Speaker 4: and as I was passing the doorway, I heard the
Speaker 4: loudest sound like a cage door being slammed shoved. It
Speaker 4: was so loud and it's scared the living daylights out
Speaker 4: of me. There is no cage doors in that room.
Speaker 4: I cannot figure out to this day what in the
Speaker 4: world that noise could have been. It was so close
Speaker 4: to my ear, there was no imagining that. I've also
Speaker 4: had some experiences up in the dining room area where
Speaker 4: we've seen we have candle holders that are actually stemless
Speaker 4: wine glasses, and we put the candles in side of
Speaker 4: them twice. Now those things have it seems like they
Speaker 4: fly off the walls and go crashing down. It's kind
Speaker 4: of crazy, but yeah, those are some of the experiences
Speaker 4: that I've had.
Speaker 2: And then in Goodie and Idaho, we went to the
Speaker 2: Tuberculosis Hospital, which was a sanitarium. It was also before anything.
Speaker 2: It was actually built as a college. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: when the tuberculosis hospital needed to happen, they converted it
Speaker 2: into the hospital and yeah, so we went there and
Speaker 2: that was very interesting. These guys Big River Paranormal They
Speaker 2: have done investigations at the same place that we actually investigated.
Speaker 1: They probably did a much better job.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, because we were Greenhorns and you.
Speaker 1: Got scared by a katy kat I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't give it away. Don't give it away. Now.
Speaker 5: This is Mike and I am on my way to
Speaker 5: a haunted place, supposedly haunted place, Goodie and Idaho.
Speaker 6: It's October twenty first, Well, actually it's October twenty second,
Speaker 6: because it's twelve fifteen am. I am coming from a
Speaker 6: most eventful evening at Milner's Gate, where my brother in
Speaker 6: law Brian showed me around a really cool renovation on
Speaker 6: a really old building. And now I am making my
Speaker 6: way over to an old tuberculosis hospital that was converted
Speaker 6: into a bed and breakfast and then converted into a
Speaker 6: university inn hotel. I stopped there earlier today, well yesterday,
Speaker 6: and I got a reservation. The lady said that they
Speaker 6: usually don't have reservations on Mondays and that I was
Speaker 6: welcome to stay, but I would be the only person
Speaker 6: in the hotel, while at least the only person renting
Speaker 6: a room in the hotel, So.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of excited about that.
Speaker 6: I'm going to go there, and there's a lot of
Speaker 6: history of hauntings and apparitions and things like that, a
Speaker 6: lot of coverage on like ghost Hunters coming trying to
Speaker 6: find out what's going on there.
Speaker 2: Supposedly has a long history.
Speaker 5: Of people that have died.
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to find any statistics or anything,
Speaker 6: so I don't know if that even exists. But it
Speaker 6: doesn't really matter because I'm just going there to check
Speaker 6: it out.
Speaker 5: So hopefully it'll be fun.
Speaker 6: Hopefully I'll experience something exciting, and if not, well then
Speaker 6: at least i'll experience the sites and sounds of a
Speaker 6: historical building in Gooding, Idaho.
Speaker 2: Well, with that, mic out, these guys at Big River
Speaker 2: Paranormal are professionals. We actually have an advantage because when
Speaker 2: we know that we're not professionals.
Speaker 1: I definitely know I'm not professional.
Speaker 2: We're not professionals. We don't investigate for a liv and
Speaker 2: we don't pretend to we are hacks. But I think
Speaker 2: that gives us a special perspective because we're not looking
Speaker 2: at it through the lenses of some preconceived notions, not jaded.
Speaker 2: We're just there to experience and then try to quantify
Speaker 2: that through the strata of our intellectual prowess.
Speaker 1: You should see what he's doing with his hands right now,
Speaker 1: as he said that, it was like jazz fingers mixed
Speaker 1: with magic and.
Speaker 2: Rain, Dude, rain, You know, I think that we actually
Speaker 2: have some pretty good hypothesize. One thing about the Old
Speaker 2: Idaho State Penitentiary is that it's well known that it's haunted, right,
Speaker 2: and so a lot of media outlets locally and regionally
Speaker 2: do like little exposition and like you said, travel Channel
Speaker 2: people have been there and done things on it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to play some of those clips nice.
Speaker 7: Next time on Ghost Adventures, we travel to Noisy, Idaho
Speaker 7: to investigate this penitentiary.
Speaker 2: You're all saying it here twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: Are you the one causing all this torment?
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that you died of here, that we heard
Speaker 6: some bad stuff happen in this If you can hear
Speaker 6: my voice, I want you to make a noise.
Speaker 2: We tho. I feel something that's going up my shoulder.
Speaker 2: Are you touching me right now?
Speaker 1: Raymond?
Speaker 2: Think of all the history of all the people that
Speaker 2: have come through here.
Speaker 8: The Old I don't penitentiary was opened between eighteen seventy
Speaker 8: two and nineteen seventy three. When people come here, they
Speaker 8: get that heavy feeling, that sense that sometimes they're being watched,
Speaker 8: sometimes that they just sense sadness. And of course we're
Speaker 8: bringing those stories to light all of the time through
Speaker 8: the history that we tell.
Speaker 1: The last time I was here, I believe I saw
Speaker 1: your shadow. Can you show me again?
Speaker 8: So we also encourage people come on down share your
Speaker 8: stories of paranormal experiences with us. Because there was violence,
Speaker 8: there was death and destruction for Raymond. Here's a really
Speaker 8: nasty crime.
Speaker 1: There were around one hundred and thirty deaths that occurred
Speaker 1: here at the site, everything from the ten folks who
Speaker 1: were executed, to murder, suicide, diseases, natural deaths.
Speaker 8: You see the remnants of the past. You see these
Speaker 8: buildings that were burned down and destroyed. No, we didn't
Speaker 8: let them go as the historical society. We kept them
Speaker 8: in the context of what happened here. And so that's
Speaker 8: why we're not going to rebuild these buildings because they
Speaker 8: tell a story.
Speaker 9: This Halloween, we're taking you behind bars at one of
Speaker 9: the spookiest spots in the state. Although the old Idaho
Speaker 9: Penitentiary has been closed for almost fifty years, some say
Speaker 9: inmates still haunt the halls. Our Doug Locksmith and Matt
Speaker 9: Sizemore tagged along with paranormal investigators into the wee hours
Speaker 9: of the morning, hoping to see some proof for themselves.
Speaker 9: A warning, some of the sites and stories we'll see
Speaker 9: might be a little spooky, and some Matt says are
Speaker 9: absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: One of the things that was pretty cool about the
Speaker 2: Old Idaho State Penitentiary was they had several famous inmates,
Speaker 2: including women.
Speaker 1: Also, it was like a not bisexual.
Speaker 2: No, that's not by sex co ed. It was a
Speaker 2: co ed I think. And originally it did not have
Speaker 2: separations between male and female areas of incarceration, which caused
Speaker 2: some shenanigans. So eventually they actually made a women's wing.
Speaker 2: There's a really cool mansion there, oh, I guess the
Speaker 2: prison mansion, and they used that as a place to
Speaker 2: incarcerate the women until they could get the wing that
Speaker 2: was dedicated to women built. Yep.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Down the line of famous inmates, there is a very
Speaker 2: famous female inmate that was incarcerated at the Old Idaho
Speaker 2: State Penitentiary in nineteen twenty one. Oh.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So this gal's name was Leita south Lida Southard, Okay,
Speaker 2: and she was a female serial killer. And she was
Speaker 2: a female serial killer.
Speaker 1: That's two for two. That's funny. Maybe that's Ulida or
Speaker 1: Lieda or Lida or whatever contacting you from the beyond.
Speaker 2: Trying to tell us something. Yeah. Maybe she's saying, I'm listening,
Speaker 2: you better get the story right, Yeah, I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 2: So a little bit about Lda Southard. So she lived
Speaker 2: in a town where I was born, actually in Twin Falls, Idaho.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: And she met this ruggedly handsome dude named Robert Dooley.
Speaker 1: Oh, Robert Newley, Bob Newley.
Speaker 2: Yep, So Robert Dooley and Lighta Southard. They got hitched,
Speaker 2: and after they got hitched, they moved in with Robert's
Speaker 2: brother Ed, Ed and Bob Newley and they had paradise
Speaker 2: there on earth, just Robert and and Ed. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: about nine months later they had a daughter named Lorraine.
Speaker 1: Convenient.
Speaker 2: But one day, a sad tale, Lorraine mysteriously dies and
Speaker 2: they can't quite figure out why. But Leida insists that
Speaker 2: she drinks some really bad well water and that's what
Speaker 2: killed her, you know, a young kid drinking bad water, not.
Speaker 1: A good common probably in nineteen whatever whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, four so then a little after that, Ed, poor Ed,
Speaker 2: mister Ed dies mysteriously and they, yeah, the brother dies
Speaker 2: and he dies of like some kind of weird poisoning.
Speaker 2: He dies, right, So poor Robert lost his daughter, lost
Speaker 2: his brother, and then he dies mysteriously, well not so mysteriously.
Speaker 2: They diagnose it as typhoid and he dies. It's a
Speaker 2: typhoid fever.
Speaker 1: You've heard of that, right, yeah, Okay, it's a it's
Speaker 1: an illness.
Speaker 2: I'm a hack, I'm not a doctor. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 2: So he dies in the historical documents say that it
Speaker 2: was diagnosed that he died of typhoid. Okay, So twin
Speaker 2: Falls County. Well, after that, she's sad. She is really
Speaker 2: really sad. And La meets another dude eventually, and his
Speaker 2: name was William or Bill mccaffell mccaffel mcaffel. Unfortunately, mccaffel
Speaker 2: also died of typhoid. Yeah, he died in nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 2: Robert died in nineteen fourteen, and you know, four years later,
Speaker 2: poor Lighta is a widow again. Fortunately, just like with Robert,
Speaker 2: there was an insurance policy and she was the only recipient. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so she was the beneficiary. She gets the loot. So
Speaker 2: same thing with William, you know, poor Bill. He dies
Speaker 2: and husband number two dies and Lida gets the goods. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now she's depressed. Yeah, so she moves away. I
Speaker 2: think she moves to Montana, mom Dan yep, and she
Speaker 2: meets this guy, Harlan c Lewis. They get married, and then,
Speaker 2: you know, poor guy, he dies mysteriously as well. I'm
Speaker 2: no official diagnosis, but he dies in nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so one, two, three, this is number three. If
Speaker 1: it was baseball, she'd be Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is three husbands in two in five years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, plus two relatives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two relatives and three husbands.
Speaker 1: Body count two relatives.
Speaker 2: And she again is the beneficiary, the sole beneficiary of
Speaker 2: another you know, life insurance policy. She's so sad. She
Speaker 2: moves to Pocatello and she meets a guy, Edward Meyer.
Speaker 2: But he mysteriously dies in nineteen twenty as well. And
Speaker 2: I think that was also three. Yeah, that's the no,
Speaker 2: that's number four oh in a row. Yeah, back to
Speaker 2: back to she moves fast, and so he dies in
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty in Pocatello. So she's back in Idaho. Well, well,
Speaker 2: the original husband, Robert Dooley, had a brother who was
Speaker 2: very smart, and he happened to be a chemist, and
Speaker 2: I think he saw these things happening and he started going, hey,
Speaker 2: a little light belt goes off and has said, ding
Speaker 2: ding ding ding ding, Something's not right here. So he
Speaker 2: starts doing a little investigation with another chemist and a doctor. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they exhume the bodies and they find that Edward
Speaker 2: and Robert and Lorraine Dooley had traces of arsenic in
Speaker 2: their system. So now they know something weird's going on.
Speaker 2: You know, poor lightis she's very very discouraged and sad,
Speaker 2: and her really smart ex brother in law puts together,
Speaker 2: along with a few other people, that there's something nefarious
Speaker 2: going on, and so they consult the authorities and eventually
Speaker 2: Lida is arrested in nineteen twenty one. Yep, she's arrested
Speaker 2: and put in jail, and she is tried and she
Speaker 2: has found guilty of second degree murder and she is
Speaker 2: sentenced to ten years to life in prison.
Speaker 1: She killed her own daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and four. Yeah, and actually that husband in between
Speaker 2: I think it was the one in Montana. I think
Speaker 2: it was mcafel. They had a daughter together there that
Speaker 2: was just an infant, and she mysteriously died too, So
Speaker 2: there was actually two daughters that were killed by her.
Speaker 1: I picture the brother of Dooley, the Dooley brother. He's
Speaker 1: in like a science lab with like beakers and all
Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, he's in like a coat with those
Speaker 1: big science goggles on, and he like pours it in
Speaker 1: and it like changes the right color and he holds
Speaker 1: it up to the light and then he takes his
Speaker 1: goggles off and he's like, bitch, just like that. I
Speaker 1: don't know my picture.
Speaker 2: Maybe something like that. I don't know if they use
Speaker 2: that word in that day. Fine Wench thine wench. That
Speaker 2: the fine Wench Carston woman. Yeah, so she's arrested, she's
Speaker 2: sworn in prison. Okay, the story doesn't stop there. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting story. So she's thrown in prison and then
Speaker 2: she escapes. She escapes and runs back to Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 1: She's a mountain one yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: And there she marries another guy. Now this guy he
Speaker 2: eventually kind of catches on the things. I don't know
Speaker 2: how he finds out things, discovers stuff, but anyway, he
Speaker 2: is suspicious and he turns her back in. So she
Speaker 2: is carted back to Idaho and she serves out the
Speaker 2: rest of her sentence. Eventually she is put on permanent
Speaker 2: probation in nineteen forty one because she was only convicted
Speaker 2: of second degree murder, she was put on probation, and
Speaker 2: then she eventually dies in Salt Lake City in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty two, and then they move her body back to
Speaker 2: Twin Falls, Idaho, where she is buried and her tombstone
Speaker 2: can now be found in the Sunset Memorial Park in Twin.
Speaker 1: Falls, Idaho.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah there, Yeah, me too many.
Speaker 1: Times, I'll pee on it. Just kidding.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe she maybe she confessed her sins
Speaker 2: and made things right.
Speaker 1: Nope, she killed a baby, she killed two babes, killed
Speaker 1: two babies, and four dudes and another dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she got rich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not worth.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I was looking at the value
Speaker 2: of the insurance policies. You know, they were all like
Speaker 2: forty six hundred bucks, seven thousand bucks, three thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: But that's like that's like one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Dollars a lot of money.
Speaker 2: That was a big deal. So that's my story of
Speaker 2: famous inmates, which brings us back to us and what
Speaker 2: we're going to do on this Friday night. We're going
Speaker 2: to meet up and we're going to put on our
Speaker 2: a Strange Thing shirts oh year, and we're going to
Speaker 2: go to the old Idaho State Penitentiary and we're going
Speaker 2: to join a team and we are going to take
Speaker 2: our equipment and we are going to listen and videotape
Speaker 2: and record and try to come in contact with some
Speaker 2: kind of strange paranormal experience. I think it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Creepy. Maybe, Yeah, I've been in there. It was creepy,
Speaker 1: but I was little, I guess, but it was daytime.
Speaker 1: I was a little creeped out.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing. So I'm gonna put some pictures
Speaker 2: up on our website so people can look and also
Speaker 2: do some links to for anybody that's you know, local
Speaker 2: or regional that would maybe like to come and do
Speaker 2: one of these. They do seven or eight of these
Speaker 2: a year, and actually in October, I think they do
Speaker 2: an all night sleepover. As you get close to Halloween,
Speaker 2: they do an all nighter in the prison where you
Speaker 2: can go in your pajamas and sleep there and hopefully
Speaker 2: encounter a ghost.
Speaker 1: We should get some matching strange thing onesie pajamas with
Speaker 1: footies in him. You can say, pajamin. I hope you're
Speaker 1: like pajama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna have a guest probably on our next episode.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be joining us on our paranormal activities.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are.
Speaker 1: We have a special friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds a bigger He's kind of a techie,
Speaker 2: geeky guy and we're hoping he can help us in
Speaker 2: that department.
Speaker 1: But also he's just super dope. Yeah that's what he is.
Speaker 1: He's nice guy, nice guy, and him and I are
Speaker 1: like we always say the same thing at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. We're on the same brain level.
Speaker 2: And you know, we got to be honest and say
Speaker 2: we were going to invite your brother in law, my
Speaker 2: son in law, but we knew that he would probably
Speaker 2: be screaming the whole time, along with your wife.
Speaker 1: He sent a picture of like Kevin Hart in a car.
Speaker 1: It was just like, Nope, we don't.
Speaker 2: Know we invited him, but yeah, I don't know. If
Speaker 2: you ever heard my son in law Andrew's scream, it's
Speaker 2: none so good about sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to get him into something. Yeah, bigfoot
Speaker 1: costume maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd look good at a big foot costume right
Speaker 2: in the no pit. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I saw it on like Ghostbusters International and they were
Speaker 1: in like a courtyard and I used to watch those
Speaker 1: like every day on Netflix, just hammering down all the
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster shows. But they have like an orb that they
Speaker 1: caught in the field and they like talk about it,
Speaker 1: and there's some other experiences.
Speaker 2: There is a courtyard. Now the courtyard was originally it
Speaker 2: was weird. They actually did the public executions. They would
Speaker 2: hang them out in this courtyard and then they'd moved
Speaker 2: it inside. And the first and only and last time
Speaker 2: it was used was with that snoken character.
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember hearing that maybe that he was hung
Speaker 1: and it didn't work right away and he had to
Speaker 1: hang there until he died.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's weird. I mean, it was kind
Speaker 2: of a science. You had to calculate the right distance
Speaker 2: of the fall because if you made it too long,
Speaker 2: it would just pop the head right.
Speaker 1: Up, would be cool.
Speaker 2: And if you didn't do it long enough, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: snap the neck, and then they would basically suffocate for
Speaker 2: you know, it could take a long time. Bepinion on
Speaker 2: how strong their necks.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm kind of glad it wasn't clean.
Speaker 2: For that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he stabbed a widow. So this lady's probably
Speaker 1: having the worst time of her life through the last
Speaker 1: couple of years totally. And then she's going out to bars,
Speaker 1: probably like oh, you know, gotta get back on the
Speaker 1: old horse, you know, and trying to kind of like
Speaker 1: get her life started again. And then this second chuiya
Speaker 1: yep chiwiya saka chuwia chilula saka jua sack.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I get it, a bad pun reference.
Speaker 1: This second crap whatever. Yeah, the terrible guy, and I
Speaker 1: takes advantage of somebody, And I'd read some stuff there
Speaker 1: had been other reported assaults of this guy.
Speaker 2: So maybe I'll do a little more research on that,
Speaker 2: and then after we do our next episode where we're
Speaker 2: going to tell of our experiences, maybe we'll go into
Speaker 2: a little more detail on him. If I find more information.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be like, I don't know who you are,
Speaker 7: and I don't know what realm you live in, but
Speaker 7: I have a specific set of skills and those skills
Speaker 7: are welding, and they do not apply it.
Speaker 2: You know, one thing, and it would be fun to do.
Speaker 2: Although I respect Big River paranormal investigators, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do anything like this, but it's tempting because of
Speaker 2: all the things I've scene that are so hokey on
Speaker 2: Tray Channel all the other places. Is just to go
Speaker 2: there and mess with people, right, Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: the one we watch where the guy throws the keys
Speaker 2: and slow motion, you know, things like that. We could
Speaker 2: go there and like set up things that.
Speaker 1: Mouse traps on the floor, which I like.
Speaker 2: Play your recording on your phone very low that would
Speaker 2: be picked up on an EV pair.
Speaker 1: Yeah that thing from Lord of the Rings. Yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that, or like, I'm a shit, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think we can close this out and
Speaker 2: we look forward to you hearing of our experiences at
Speaker 2: the old Idaho State Penitentiary.
Speaker 1: So join us next time for some cold breezes as
Speaker 1: we walk through the creepy ben dingder.
Speaker 2: We drink warm beverages.
Speaker 1: Possibly a little sneak, a little flashky, ain't you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So join us next time for some cold drinks and
Speaker 1: some straight, spooky and kind of paranormally conversations.
Speaker 2: Totally taters, Taters, totally taters,