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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, we look at why Odisha's coastline is

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<v Speaker 1>steadily eroding and what that means for communities living along

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<v Speaker 1>the shore. We also talk about a major organizational reshuffle

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<v Speaker 1>in the BJP, where one of the clearest themes running

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<v Speaker 1>is the BJP's attempt to expand the presence of women

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<v Speaker 1>and younger leaders. But first we talk about Mumbai, where

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<v Speaker 1>a deadly landslide last week raised a troubling question, could

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<v Speaker 1>this disaster have been avoided? Hi, I'm Atchasharma and you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to three Things the Indian Express new show. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>on Wedness Day, a hillside in Kulla collapsed after heavy rain,

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<v Speaker 1>killing eight people. And when we spoke to the Indian

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<v Speaker 1>Expresses Pratipa Charia, he told us that this had been

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<v Speaker 1>hill number three.

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<v Speaker 2>And a people tree at the hilltop. It collapsed, It

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<v Speaker 2>got uprooted and it collapsed, bringing down like all the stones,

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<v Speaker 2>the boulders and the loose mud, the soil, everything that father.

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<v Speaker 2>It brought everything crashing, the houses that were built and

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of on the slopes of that hill.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when the landslide took place around four houses,

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<v Speaker 1>he says got crushed under the debris. Now, the documents

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<v Speaker 1>reviewed by the Indian Express show that the Geological Survey

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<v Speaker 1>of India had worn the BMC about this very risk

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty eighteen. In the four hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five page long risk assessment, the GSI had identified Kurla

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<v Speaker 1>as one of Mumbai's five major landslide risk zones and

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<v Speaker 1>it specifically flagged Hill number three at Sakinaka as highly vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially pointing to steep slopes, jointed rock, water population and

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<v Speaker 1>root penetration, almost the same combination of factors that appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to have triggered last week's collapse. Understand why exactly were

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<v Speaker 1>the report's recommendations not implemented and what does this highlight

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<v Speaker 1>about Mumbai's preparedness for landslides. We speak to protep in

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<v Speaker 1>this segment. With this GSI report from eight years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>we understand effectively predicted this landslide almost word for word.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about how closely did it match the incident.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a risk assessment report that was carried

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<v Speaker 2>out by surveying like around seventy four landslide prone regions

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<v Speaker 2>in Mumbai. And in that report, this hill number three

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<v Speaker 2>that I just said, one that collapsed, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>portion of which crashed was identified as a highly vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>landslide zone. I mean the region around that periphery of

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<v Speaker 2>that hill, the slopes where the housing units had come

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<v Speaker 2>up and the shanties are growing, So those areas were

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<v Speaker 2>considered as heavily vulnerable towards landslide incidents. So the JSI

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<v Speaker 2>Units report had said that considering the steep slope, there

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<v Speaker 2>is also results of rock mass and the root of

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<v Speaker 2>the trees have penetrated deep into the soil, so there

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<v Speaker 2>is a possibility of rock falling posing a direct threat

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<v Speaker 2>to the life of the people who are living around,

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<v Speaker 2>living in settlements around the slope of the hill, and

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<v Speaker 2>told the BMC to implement immediate remedial action, which included,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stopping of construction walks around the hill slopes,

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<v Speaker 2>not allowing any kind of development over there, constructing drains

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<v Speaker 2>over there, because often you know, what happens during the rains,

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<v Speaker 2>the rainwater SIPs inside the soil, making them loose and

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<v Speaker 2>making them more prone towards you know, landslide. So the

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<v Speaker 2>GSI had instructed the BMC to implement these remedial measures. However,

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<v Speaker 2>till the Tiothang, they were yet to be implemented.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's striking is that this wasn't the only warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The site was again identified as a priority in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. And you note how a crator says he

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<v Speaker 1>raised concerns just three months ago. So basically there were

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<v Speaker 1>repeated opportunities to intervene before these eight deaths. So why

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<v Speaker 1>was it not done?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, like you rightly said, the place was identified

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<v Speaker 2>by JSI mark classified by JSA as a highly vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>zone and it was again in twenty twenty three that

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<v Speaker 2>it was the BMC had included like five years after that,

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<v Speaker 2>the BMC had included it in a list of priority

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<v Speaker 2>places where retaining wall needs to be constructed. But however,

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<v Speaker 2>in Mumbai, like the BMC is the municipal corporation, but

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<v Speaker 2>this lands where the illegal encroachments around the slope of

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<v Speaker 2>the hills come up, and these are owned by the

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<v Speaker 2>Collector's office, the Mumbai District Collector and the responsibility of

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<v Speaker 2>building walls over there or kind of implementing this preventive

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<v Speaker 2>measures fall under the MADA, which is the Maharashtra Housing

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<v Speaker 2>and Area Development Authority and the slum Rehabilitation Authorities so

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<v Speaker 2>these two agencies carry out area development of certain pockets

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<v Speaker 2>and development of regions where some pockets are located, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's special planning agencies. So basically the thing is there

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of redtipism that is involved because there

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<v Speaker 2>are multiple agencies. So if MADA is supposed to carry

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<v Speaker 2>out build a wall over there, they need to take

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<v Speaker 2>permission from the Collector's office, and since there are slums

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<v Speaker 2>also that they have to have need to have an

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<v Speaker 2>NC from the SIRE which is summ Rehabilitation Authority. So

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<v Speaker 2>now if BMC wants to go there and construct those walls,

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<v Speaker 2>they need have to have permission from the MADA. They

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<v Speaker 2>need to have to have permission from the Collector's office

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<v Speaker 2>and the state government. So there are multiple governments that

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<v Speaker 2>are involved for building just one wall, since there are

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<v Speaker 2>multiple agencies by multiple land parcels. So that is why

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<v Speaker 2>there is a huge relatetipism that is involved for which

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<v Speaker 2>many of these works get stalled or get delayed all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And we understand that more than four hundred crow rupees

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<v Speaker 1>were allotted by the Maharashtra government between twenty twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three for this very reason. Like preventive landslide

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<v Speaker 1>measures statewide. However, of shoall say plans were drawn up

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually slowed because of funding. So how do we

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<v Speaker 1>read that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the government Between twenty twenty twenty twenty three, the

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<v Speaker 2>government had allocated a substantial amount of four hundred crores

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<v Speaker 2>for carrying out these preempty measures which included building, retaining,

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<v Speaker 2>wall fixing, protective nets and everything. However, the records, the

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<v Speaker 2>government records show that even the funds were allocated, the

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<v Speaker 2>process of release of funds had slowed down after twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one or twenty two, which means like in the first

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<v Speaker 2>year between twenty three twenty four like around three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and two crore works were taken up and the next

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<v Speaker 2>year around two hundred and thirty like of which three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred works were completed. So in twenty twenty four twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five around one hundred and thirteen works were completed and

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<v Speaker 2>between twenty five and twenty six only sixteen works were completed.

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<v Speaker 2>So which means like around like more than three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>landslide prones in Mumbai are there where no safety works

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<v Speaker 2>have happened over the past five six.

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<v Speaker 1>Years and redeb As you mentioned earlier that the GSI

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<v Speaker 1>assessed seventy four landslide prone pockets across Mumbai. So after

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<v Speaker 1>what happened here, how many other places in the city

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<v Speaker 1>have already been identified as dangerous but are still waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for mitigation work.

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<v Speaker 2>So the BMC had given the GSI a list of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and ninety nine places off which they had

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<v Speaker 2>evaluated and shortlisted seventy four places for carrying out evaluation.

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<v Speaker 2>And these seventy four places have been identified as landslide

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<v Speaker 2>zone prone zones. Most of the are are located in

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<v Speaker 2>the eastern part of the city since these places have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of regions, lots of cliffs and everything. So

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<v Speaker 2>they are in Purla, Bando, Vicro League, Hardcoper, Tunabat. So

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<v Speaker 2>these are the areas.

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<v Speaker 1>And we often described these events as landslides caused by

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<v Speaker 1>heavy rain, but you highlight how rain may only be

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<v Speaker 1>the final trigger. So how much of the underlying risk

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<v Speaker 1>is actually created by the way hillsides are built upon

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<v Speaker 1>and rain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so these housing units no residential structures, they are

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<v Speaker 2>built in the on the slopes of these hills. So

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<v Speaker 2>these slopes are you know, they're slanting, they are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of aligned vertically, and what people do know the increases,

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<v Speaker 2>they start cutting those slopes. And when you are cutting

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<v Speaker 2>the slopes, you are altering the topography. So the overall

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<v Speaker 2>soil mass that is present there, the overall that the stones,

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<v Speaker 2>they get altered. So whenever it gets altered, there is

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<v Speaker 2>a imbalance in the overall geological surface of Earth. Then

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<v Speaker 2>there are trees, so the trees can't hold the soil together,

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<v Speaker 2>so whenever there is a rain, and also people build

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<v Speaker 2>toilets over this is they're living there and there is

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<v Speaker 2>no drains, so the water flow like openly, and when

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<v Speaker 2>there is open floor water, there is also seepage of

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<v Speaker 2>water underneath the ground. This also makes the soil much

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<v Speaker 2>more loose. So whenever there is a rain, these trees

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<v Speaker 2>that already have deep roots penetrated around the ground, and

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<v Speaker 2>when the ground is so shallow, they can't hold onto

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<v Speaker 2>the bay.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are.

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<v Speaker 2>Rocks also over there, there are soils also other they

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<v Speaker 2>can hold onto the surface, and they collapse whenever there

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<v Speaker 2>is a rain because the water keeps falling from there

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<v Speaker 2>is also heavy wind blowing. So all these incident aggravates

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<v Speaker 2>and they just like it's like a final trigger, like

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<v Speaker 2>you rightly said.

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<v Speaker 1>And if authorities know that certain slopes are highly vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>why are settlements still allowed to stay and sometimes even

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<v Speaker 1>expand in these locations.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically we know, like Mumbai is a very long

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<v Speaker 2>historym and these hills were used to be earlier. There's

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<v Speaker 2>stone quarries. So then people started migrating to Mumbai during

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifty most indupendous actually, and there were like

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<v Speaker 2>this place is where ever and there is to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people used to get open land, is

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<v Speaker 2>to grab landers set uppartments over there. So like you

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<v Speaker 2>will see that these are kind of vertical slumps like

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<v Speaker 2>houses are built one above another, because Mumbai is a

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<v Speaker 2>vertical city, like since it is surrounded by other sea

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<v Speaker 2>from three sides, the horizontal size of land is very less.

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<v Speaker 2>And since there are this hills present here, people start

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging these slopes of the hills. That is why this

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<v Speaker 2>number of slums start going up.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do we know about the people living in

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<v Speaker 1>these areas and also those who unfortunately lost their lives

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<v Speaker 1>in this landslide.

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<v Speaker 2>So most of these people who lost their lives, they

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<v Speaker 2>had come from the Pradesh, like they are migrant workers

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<v Speaker 2>who moved to the city for better life to work.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is a family of four who lost their

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<v Speaker 2>lives because they had just shifted to them at two

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<v Speaker 2>days back. They had taken like house over there on

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<v Speaker 2>rend and they had come to Mumbai for to start

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<v Speaker 2>a new life. And the family was a father, a mother,

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<v Speaker 2>like husband and wife along with the two children were

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<v Speaker 2>two and four years old, and all the four members

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<v Speaker 2>of the family died in that incident. Then there was

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<v Speaker 2>another family like were two friends. One of them had

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<v Speaker 2>their birthday on the night past minute. They were gathered

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<v Speaker 2>at his place. Two celebrated his thirday birthday and he

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<v Speaker 2>just got divorced the same year, so he got separated

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<v Speaker 2>from his wife. So his friends were there to Chierima,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were kind of like having a closed door

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<v Speaker 2>kind of celebration of his birthday. When that incident happened

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<v Speaker 2>in early morning and all of them over there, they

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<v Speaker 2>lost their lives. So most of these people leave over

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<v Speaker 2>there because in Mumbai has a very high housing rent

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<v Speaker 2>and if you stay in these areas in the hillocks

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<v Speaker 2>in the regions, the rent is very low. That is

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<v Speaker 2>why most of the people who stay there are lower

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<v Speaker 2>incongru families. They come from other parts of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>They come from outside Mumbai just to find a living

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<v Speaker 2>over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now after eight deaths at a location, what

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<v Speaker 1>effective landslide prevention measures are being carried out.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Ashvini Beida in our office who is the

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<v Speaker 2>Mumba Municipal Commissioner. She had come for an idea accents.

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<v Speaker 2>So she told us that after the monsoon gets over,

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<v Speaker 2>carry out a joint inspection and they will acknowledge this

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable zone. They will carry out an assessment of how

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<v Speaker 2>many of this mitigation plans that were recommended by GSI

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<v Speaker 2>were implemented and whether they are being implemented properly. So

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<v Speaker 2>they will carry out full stop ticking after the monsoon

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<v Speaker 2>gets over. After that they will start issuing notices to

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<v Speaker 2>those living there illegally and only after that they will

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<v Speaker 2>start evicting. So the miserable Commission has clearly said that

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<v Speaker 1>And next we talk about an issue that is impacting

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<v Speaker 1>the lives and livelihoods of people in Dshia. A study

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<v Speaker 1>The study, which mapped and assessed changes in the state's

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<v Speaker 1>several stretches of the coast have been steadily receding. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is concerning because coastal erosion can have serious consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>It can increase the risk of flooding, damage homes and infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>gunjam Puri, Jagatsingpur, Kindrapada, Badharak and Balasur are facing significant

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<v Speaker 1>shoreline changes and erosion. So why is Odisha's coastline shrinking,

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<v Speaker 1>How is this affecting people living along the coast and

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<v Speaker 1>what can be done to protect it. To understand this,

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<v Speaker 4>What exactly is happening to Udisha's coastline, how is the

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<v Speaker 4>shoreline changing and what are the factors driving this erosion?

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<v Speaker 3>So niharika basically shore line changes, it's a dynamic process. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what it refers to is the boundary between the land

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<v Speaker 3>and water shifts over time. And there are several factors

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<v Speaker 3>what caused this shore line changes, Like there's some natural

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<v Speaker 3>forces like high tides or waves storms from the sea

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<v Speaker 3>that caused some time. Another reasons we can say like

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<v Speaker 3>natural distice like tsunami or cyclones that is quite frequent

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<v Speaker 3>in Orisa that has also caused shore line changes. As

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<v Speaker 3>for studies. One more factor which is caused by human

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<v Speaker 3>activities like construction of foods, jets or unplanned infrastructure development

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<v Speaker 3>near the sea, rampant sand mining from the coast. So

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<v Speaker 3>all these factors that contributed to shore line changes over

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<v Speaker 3>the time, and it's a dynamic process. It doesn't happen overnight.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes years to cause shore line changes.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and tell us about the NCCR study that address

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<v Speaker 3>So National Science for Coastal Research that generally carried out

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<v Speaker 3>assessment and mapping of shore line changes analysis along the

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<v Speaker 3>coast across the country and it has done a study

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<v Speaker 3>with concern to Orissa and the study was conducted during

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<v Speaker 3>a period of nineteen ninety to twenty twenty two and

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<v Speaker 3>the data came from a recent Rajasterbak questions. When the

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<v Speaker 3>Union Minister of WoT Shippings and Water Wells ser one

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<v Speaker 3>on the sun Wall. He responded query raised by Oorissa

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<v Speaker 3>Rajasaba and PSAs Smith Patra about the impact of shore

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<v Speaker 3>line changes or the coastal heros and and Oorissa as

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<v Speaker 3>I said the NCSR monitors long term store line changes

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<v Speaker 3>across Indian coastline, not just Orisa and this particular question

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<v Speaker 3>was about Orisa. So citing the NCSA study, the Union

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<v Speaker 3>Minister said that approximately twenty eight point three percent of

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<v Speaker 3>Orissa's four four sixty five element coastline is affected by

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<v Speaker 3>coastal resils and around seventeen point six persons remains stable

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<v Speaker 3>with no significant shore line changes, while fifty four point

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<v Speaker 3>one percent of total coastline is experiencing accretion of growth.

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<v Speaker 4>And within Udisha, which are the areas that have been

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<v Speaker 4>severely affected by coastal erosion.

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<v Speaker 3>See there are six major coastal distates in Orisan and

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<v Speaker 3>all six are affected by coastal regions for the nccstory.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you'll say about most affected, I mean the

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<v Speaker 3>impact of climate the c erosion or sore line changes

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<v Speaker 3>has already been felt in the districts like Kindrapada which

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<v Speaker 3>fifty kilometers of coastline. And then Gonjam is also a

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<v Speaker 3>major dis states where the issue which we are discussing

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<v Speaker 3>now on the soore line changes of coastal erosion has

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<v Speaker 3>its impact on the live and livelihoods of people living

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<v Speaker 3>on the source.

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<v Speaker 4>And how could this phenomena affect Udisha and the people

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<v Speaker 4>living along its coastline well.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, see, there is a region in Kindrapadadic state.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called satawaya region where because of coastal erosion and

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<v Speaker 3>rising sea level, it has inundated submerged around sixteen villages,

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<v Speaker 3>rendering hundreds of people's homeless. Wan more than a thousand

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<v Speaker 3>people were displaced because of this coastallyrosion because it's rising

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<v Speaker 3>sea level and the affected village not just lost their

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<v Speaker 3>land because of this coastally region, but they also lost

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<v Speaker 3>their livelihood although they were resettled by the government in

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<v Speaker 3>a habitation kilometers away from the original land. But many

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<v Speaker 3>people are struggling to get livelihood. So that is one

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<v Speaker 3>kind of impact.

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<v Speaker 2>We say.

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<v Speaker 3>In Kendropadatic State, the government developed one resettlement colony that

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<v Speaker 3>is attributed as India's first resettlement colony because of climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>Resettlement colony I mean people affected by the climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in Bogapatia area and Kindropodatic State that is a

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<v Speaker 3>coastal area located in a coastal region. Even we spoke

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<v Speaker 3>to many of these people over the year since they

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<v Speaker 3>were displaced because of this coastally resion. So many of

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<v Speaker 3>the villagers who were traditionally fishermen, but now they lost

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<v Speaker 3>their livelihood and many have migrated too far off states

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<v Speaker 3>like Tamiladu, Kerala in Serfule livelihood. Also in Gonzami State.

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<v Speaker 3>Why I said in twenty twenty three, I think we

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<v Speaker 3>have covered one story. We visited one village. It's called

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<v Speaker 3>podum Peta. It's in Guannjam north of Gunjam. So it

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<v Speaker 3>was a village of around five hundred households two decades back,

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<v Speaker 3>but now because of Bayo Bengals advance into the landmarks.

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<v Speaker 3>The village is completely digitted. People were forced to leave

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<v Speaker 3>the village. Now it's turned into a host village. There

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<v Speaker 3>are other villages in Gunzam like Ramaya patnalso where people

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<v Speaker 3>lost their homes the land mass because of advancing of

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<v Speaker 3>the Bay of Bengal into the towards the land mass.

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<v Speaker 4>Right and so gee, what can be done to prevent

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<v Speaker 4>the coastline from getting eroded and are any measures being

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<v Speaker 4>taken to do so?

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<v Speaker 3>They are taking measures as far as we know. During

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<v Speaker 3>our questions with the officials of the State Forest, Environment

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<v Speaker 3>and the Climate Change Department, they said they have developed

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<v Speaker 3>a geotextile tube embronment at Pronto village in Kindropodatic State

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<v Speaker 3>where the sea has been making sweept advances towards the

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<v Speaker 3>landmask so as geotextel tube is a concept that's a

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<v Speaker 3>large cylindrical container made from high strength synthetic fabrics such

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<v Speaker 3>as polypropylene and filled with sandsillary to form an artificial

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<v Speaker 3>coastal structor what happens how it helps to I mean

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<v Speaker 3>contain coastal relgions. That these tubes which are used to

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<v Speaker 3>form sea walls generally absorb impact of webs when they

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<v Speaker 3>heat the sort and help minimize erosion. Similarly, sea walls

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<v Speaker 3>come serving roads are being developed across various parts of

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<v Speaker 3>Balaslodic Street and in gun jams Rama Patna Beach and

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<v Speaker 3>where this coastal region is quite deplorable. So these roads

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<v Speaker 3>are used for dual purpose like the outer tier of

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<v Speaker 3>his road sect as a defensive barrier against strong tidal

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<v Speaker 3>waves and coastal region, while then operates as an operational

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<v Speaker 3>roadway or service but for the people who are living

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end we talk about a major organizational

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<v Speaker 1>reshuffle in the BJP where former Union minister Smithi Irani

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<v Speaker 1>has returned to the party's central leadership. Ahmait Malvea has

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<v Speaker 1>been removed as its social media convener and several younger

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<v Speaker 1>and women leaders have been given prominent positions now. The

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<v Speaker 1>changes come seven months after Nittin Nabin took over as

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<v Speaker 1>BJP president and formed his new team of national office bearers.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the most significant appointments is Smithi Irani, who returns

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<v Speaker 1>as a National General Secretary. This is her first major

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<v Speaker 1>organizational role since losing the mit Lok Sabha Sate in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. Meanwhile, Ahmadha has also returned to the

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<v Speaker 1>central organization as a vice president, while Union Commerce Minister

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<v Speaker 1>push Goyl has been appointed party treasurer. Now. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the clearest themes running through this reshuffle is the BJP's

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to expand the presence of women and younger leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Six of the party's thirteen vice presidents are women, while

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<v Speaker 1>the new central team includes twelve women overall, something party

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<v Speaker 1>leaders see as important ahead of elections in states including Uttar, Pradesh,

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<v Speaker 1>Punjab and Gudrad. There is also a generational shift. Badhudra

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<v Speaker 1>m p himang Joshi, who is thirty five, has been

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<v Speaker 1>other relatively younger leaders have also entered the national team.

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<v Speaker 1>Another major change is in the BJP's digital operation. Ahmad

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<v Speaker 1>Malviya has been replaced by Chattazhgar's leader Deepak Muske as

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<v Speaker 1>sources say this overhaul reflects a renew you'd focus on

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<v Speaker 1>social media communication, particularly after the recent gen z driven

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<v Speaker 1>student protests at Jantar Mantar and the rise of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cokro Junta party. The rishuffle also brings in several leaders

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<v Speaker 1>from Paul bound Uttar Pradesh, including Irani Rikha Verma and

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<v Speaker 1>Tarik Mansur, while representation from southern states has been reduced,

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<v Speaker 1>with Telangana receiving no representation. Prime Minister inn Arrange Removie

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<v Speaker 1>described the new team as combining organizational experience, energy and

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<v Speaker 1>grassroots connect essentially signaling that the BJP is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>balance familiar faces with a younger and more socially diverse

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<v Speaker 1>leadership ahead of its next electoral cycle. You were listening

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