WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:17.800 West Tigers Podcast, episode number four hundred and six, joined 2 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.679 by Gary and Jordan. Tonight. You've been a regular. When 3 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:23.440 I say regular, Jordan, you've been a regular guest the 4 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:25.519 past couple of years. So thank you for stepping up 5 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.879 and taking the ball and running it forward tonight. We're 6 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.000 a bit like the West Tigers. We're sort of running 7 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:35.799 it low on troops. Few injuries and excuses for some 8 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:37.320 of the boys, So thank you for coming on. 9 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:40.159 Oh is made happy to be here. I'm happy to 10 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.000 jump up from New South Wales Cup or ron Massy 11 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:44.439 Cup wherever I get pulled from. 12 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.920 And I was going to ask you one of Richo's clients, 13 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.039 because that seems to be away the first grade side 14 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.039 of you with Richose Sports or whatever it's called. 15 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.799 I've got an NDA on that I can't really talk about. 16 00:00:55.600 --> 00:01:01.399 It, Okay, fair enough, So midweek pod we get a talk. Obviously, 17 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.439 the game against Penrith on Sunday afternoon you got his 18 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:06.560 quiz will be a little bit of pie cell hole. 19 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.120 But before that I've asked the boys, because Gary, I 20 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:16.640 am seen as you missed the negative. I've decided the 21 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.239 first fifteen minutes tonight they're going to be all positive. 22 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:22.120 So for the people that don't like positives, you can 23 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.480 log back on and listen after the fifteen minute mark 24 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.640 where it might change tack. But I've asked the boys 25 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.560 what are the three biggest positives since this time last 26 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.359 year as a club. So you could just give me 27 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.079 one of the time boys, and if we repeat each other, 28 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.159 we can skip over them. But Jordan, I'll start with you, 29 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:40.599 what's one of your biggest three? 30 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.959 That we have more wins than probably the entirety of 31 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.120 last season. I think that's a big positive. We've definitely 32 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:50.280 looked more competitive. Yeah, there's been a couple of games 33 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.319 we looked a bit off, but I only got to 34 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:58.680 watch the Cowboys game yesterday through replay, and I saw 35 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.200 I was monitoring the score was at a family event. 36 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.439 But I think the second half played really well. I 37 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.560 thought there were some really positive positive aspects to that game. 38 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.479 But yeah, I'd say the more wins and that we've 39 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.840 been a lot more competitive is probably as the biggest positive. 40 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:17.120 Gary one of yours. 41 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.360 I'm going to go for the new players that we 42 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.719 have brought into the club. A couple of them have 43 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.840 had a couple of poor weeks, but guys like Taruva, 44 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.919 Terrell may Skelton when he's managed to get on the 45 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.039 field and he's back this weekend. I think they've been 46 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.120 massive contributors to us. I think there's more change needed, 47 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.479 but the new players that have come into the club 48 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.240 over the past twelve months have has started to make 49 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:43.960 a big difference. 50 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:48.039 Just to tack on to Jordan's point that was one 51 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.599 of mine. It's undeniably a more competitive team. So it's 52 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.240 gone from two wins at this point last year, from 53 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.439 twelve games to five, and even of those seven losses, 54 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.280 I'd argue this five than we could have won. You know, 55 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.319 the Newcastle game Round one, we led eight mill at halftime, 56 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:11.159 lost by two. The Warriors game we led with five 57 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.879 minutes to go and got beat by two. Paramounta game 58 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.879 we did lose by sixteen, but I think we were 59 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.319 on the attack with five minutes to go, down by four, 60 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.400 with all the momentum in that game. Sea House game, 61 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.000 we dropped the ball over the line which would have 62 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.879 won us the game. And the Cowboys game, obviously we 63 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.159 won twenty eight to six with thirteen on thirteen, but 64 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.280 it means nothing, Jordan. If unfortunately we had two men 65 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:39.479 in the sinbin. Any other positives you've got from twelve 66 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:40.199 months ago. 67 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.680 Well, probably actually the lack of symbins we've had. I 68 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.840 think those two sinbins on the weekend were unfortunate, but 69 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:51.560 compared to last season as well, I think the minimal 70 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:55.400 amount of sinbins we've had in comparisons are positive. We 71 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.759 should be probably experts playing with twelve players on the field. 72 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.159 But yeah, the sinbins and some disciplines picked up. There 73 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.680 are a couple of players that still really need to 74 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.120 fix up their discipline and sort out a few issues 75 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.080 there just giving away silly penalties or restarts at the 76 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:17.000 wrong time. But I think discipline and the sinbinning fiasco 77 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:20.079 from last season has definitely subsided for this year. 78 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.439 One of mine, Gary, was probably along your lines. It 79 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.519 was the big signings actually playing good football at the club. 80 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.040 We've probably only had happy in the past who could 81 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:31.639 be in that category, and I think we've got three 82 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:35.879 guys this year, especially Terrell May and Taruva. I think 83 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.279 they've been nine out of tens and Lewi's probably been 84 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.639 a seven. I think for what he's brought more so 85 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:42.560 probably off the field than on the field at this 86 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.360 present stage, but very early days in his tenure. 87 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.720 What else have you got for me on the positive side, Yeah, 88 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.199 it's really going to tie into that off field aspect 89 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.800 you were talking about, and I think the culture at 90 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:58.639 the club, while still a work in progress, I think 91 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:03.199 is much improved from what we've seen before. The fighting 92 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.480 the team that's come from that is much better than 93 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.720 what we're seen before. Outside of that Melbourne Storm game that. 94 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:11.000 Was just diabolical. 95 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.319 Even last weekend, they didn't give up. They fought back 96 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.279 into that game last week. I know the Cowboys took 97 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.319 their foot off the pace a little bit, took their 98 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.199 foot off the pedal and that's when we stormed back 99 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.759 into the game. But there's fight in this team, and 100 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.720 I do believe that there's an improvement in standards across 101 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.639 the clubs starting to build as well, and that's through 102 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.800 that leadership and those new players coming into the side. 103 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:38.839 So I think there's been an improvement in our Culture's 104 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:40.879 still a way to go, but that is on the 105 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:41.560 improve for me. 106 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.959 Any others for you, Jordan, either on field or off 107 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:46.120 field positives? 108 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.399 I think, apart from obviously the Galvin saga, I think 109 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.399 the lack of stuff coming out of the club, the rumors, 110 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.240 the talk, the media beat up. The Galvin situation was 111 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.160 more probably external and management and his manager. But I 112 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.920 think it has been a lot less drama field. We're 113 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.000 not really in the headlines every other week and there's 114 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.399 not a lot coming out of the club. Although it 115 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:17.639 would be nice to actually hear about or see some 116 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.199 of these signings that we were kind of teased with 117 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.000 a few over a month ago now by Richal on 118 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.600 one of the pods, So it'd be actually nice to 119 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.360 see some of those signings because we need troops, and 120 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.680 we even need troops for this year because we're scrape 121 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.439 and the bottom of the barrel for the forward stocks 122 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:35.959 at the moment. 123 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:40.480 That was sort of my final big positive Gary. I 124 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.759 know it's been a bit of a sort of slow 125 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:47.079 burn with churning through I guess the upper management of 126 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.319 the club, But do you feel like it's heading in 127 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.160 the right direction, even if you put aside in our 128 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:53.920 recent losses. 129 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.519 Yeah, that for me is my third one. It's the 130 00:06:58.560 --> 00:06:59.040 off field. 131 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.439 I think the club is in a better position now 132 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:04.160 than it was twelve months ago, and a lot of 133 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:06.759 that's on field, a lot of that's off field. I 134 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.480 think Richro's starting to have an effect throughout the club. 135 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.279 I don't think Richo's had the best past month, but 136 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.680 I think the club is still on that upward kind 137 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:23.319 of direction, and hopefully that continues over the rest of 138 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:23.759 the season. 139 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.560 Obviously with the new independent board and Richo's been there 140 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.480 now for over twelve months, probably eight eight months. He's 141 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.319 been there, Jordan, do you still maintain the same sort 142 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:37.079 of faith you have in him or does he need 143 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.040 a little bit more help inside that building. 144 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.839 I still maintain the faith. I believe he is probably 145 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.360 the best operator and the operator we need. He's definitely 146 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.399 putting the club in the right direction. Commercially, he's trying 147 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.240 to build the football team. You know, he's plugged a 148 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:57.399 lot of leaks. He's probably got a lot of weight 149 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.319 to throw around in that thing. I think he just 150 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.759 doesn't understand part of especially with Tigers fans and always 151 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.800 wanting positive news. Maybe just be a bit more tight 152 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.000 lipped in relation to signings or if there's going to 153 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.240 be announcements, or don't put a time frame on it, 154 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.399 because everyone sat there on tenderhooks for two three weeks 155 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:16.959 and we're still waiting. 156 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.519 Everyone set the calendar alerts for three weeks time. 157 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.000 I as hours and minutes and days. I think it's 158 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.639 been forty three days Gary since he went on that podcast. 159 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:28.800 But you said that was probably one of his only 160 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.199 big mistakes he's made, you reckon. 161 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.080 I think it needs to be more aware of. 162 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.840 Jordan said of the scar tissue that this fan base has, 163 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:43.759 and the fan base myself included, is hanging out for 164 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.200 positive news constantly. 165 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:47.799 Around the context he did say it was on James 166 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.519 Graham's podcast, it was two days after the Paramatta game, 167 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.519 which is basically six weeks ago, about forty two forty 168 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.440 three days ago. He did say, I'm paraphrasing, there'll be 169 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.480 two or three new signings in the next few weeks, 170 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.840 so who knows. I don't think he was referring to 171 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.679 the women's team or State Cup contract. 172 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:08.559 Definitely not marry. 173 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.519 But do you think one or two of them might 174 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.000 have fallen through or haven't come to fruition or do 175 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:16.960 you still think that's cooking. 176 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:22.000 I know, I think there's lots going on in the background. 177 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.080 I'm guessing at the moment we're kind of like the 178 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.639 duck with its feet underwater. Looks all calm on top, 179 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.559 but I'm sure there's a lot going on in the background, 180 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.600 and I'm sure I think that the the Pierce Paul 181 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.799 rumor has been around for a while now, and I 182 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.960 would have to think that one is probably fairly close 183 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.720 to being done. So I'm sure there's a couple of 184 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:47.960 others that the club is talking to and hopefully they 185 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.840 come through as well, and over the next couple of 186 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:54.360 weeks we get those announcements of some players, hopefully a 187 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.799 couple for this year, but definitely some for next year. 188 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.320 I think it's really important. 189 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.360 Just last one on Richo for now, Jordan, do you 190 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.080 think you know, if he's to be here, hopefully for 191 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.080 another three or four years, that he should be on 192 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.159 in the role of sort of looking after memberships and 193 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.759 stadiums or do you think this combination of him and 194 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.320 Benji without a recruitment off saw without a general manager 195 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.960 of football. I know Matt Betsy's in that sort of 196 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.960 interim role. Do you think that's enough inside the club 197 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:25.960 or do you think they need a general manager of 198 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.440 football or another football he'd head in there to keep 199 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:30.399 the momentum going. 200 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.120 I guess it depends on the dynamic. Like some clubs, 201 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.799 you want a CEO to focus on the commercial side, 202 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:43.080 the membership side and everything, and you want that football 203 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.720 manager for recruitment. But I guess at the same time 204 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:49.279 we had that before, and it's more of a case 205 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.279 of is it you know, too many cooks, you got 206 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:53.720 too many people, you know, we try to bring in 207 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:57.759 Scott Fulton and that just ended up being an absolute disaster. 208 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.320 So it's more of a case of is it simpler 209 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.559 just to have Richo and Benji doing it and is 210 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.919 it working. Yeah, I'd give it a pass mark for 211 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:10.559 the moment, but I don't think there would be any 212 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.759 real rush to bring in a general manager of football 213 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:14.399 if it's not needed. 214 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:16.399 For me. 215 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.440 I have a look at the track record of bringing 216 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:24.519 players across so far, and the majority of Ritro signings 217 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:27.759 have been an improvement on what we had before. So 218 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:31.159 we got rid of off A Luma at the start 219 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.120 of last year, and we signed Taruva for this year, 220 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:40.159 we lost Stefano and we end up with money. All 221 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.399 those are improvements. We've also picked picked up for our 222 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.480 Skelton as a winger as well, so I think everywhere 223 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:49.559 where we've kind of missed out, I think it's been 224 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.639 an improvement after now it's a very tough to improve 225 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.639 on the loss of Locky Galvin, but so far I 226 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.799 think what we've had going out has been replaced by 227 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:00.559 are coming in. 228 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.039 So I'm quite happy with how that's going at the moment. 229 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.720 So I think he's doing a really good job of 230 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.039 that recruitment process for the club. 231 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.759 I actually got this idea about being sort of starting 232 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.600 on a positive note by reading the West Tigers forum. 233 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.279 And I'm just going to reference a specific post. It's 234 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.240 around sort of our local juniors, Jordan, because there's been 235 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.519 obviously a little bit of a blowback since we've lost 236 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.720 Galvin and obviously lost one or two last year. But 237 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.039 it was a post by the name of actually West 238 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.159 Tiger's a not very creative name, but it was a 239 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.519 good post. He said about retention. Let's not rewrite the 240 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:45.039 story in terms of the narrative around that we can't 241 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.039 hold onto our juniors, he said, We've retained just off 242 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.879 the top of my head, Buller, Makassini, Mason, the Lal 243 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.480 Lilly Brothers, Pole and then there's a couple of state, 244 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.200 couple younger guys, and I'm not sure I can't read 245 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:02.799 my own writing here, so I won't read them out. 246 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.399 He said. We've lost Lucky Galvin, but we've also picked 247 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.039 up from you know, other juniors. We've picked up the 248 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:12.799 Finer Brothers to RuvA, Stafford Tower, who was a Newcastle 249 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.799 of junior. He says, let's just focus on making the 250 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.399 right decisions going forward, not ones driven by outside noise 251 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.120 or hypothetical future predictions. Your reaction to that. 252 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.159 Yeah, And look, we've also kept a few guys like 253 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.840 Phoenix got an a and to Power. 254 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.639 Money write down. Sorry, I just couldn't read my writing. 255 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.879 Yeah, you know, and there's some good young forwards, like 256 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.639 we've retained a few. We've got that young hooker Hayward 257 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:45.240 as well. There's we're definitely moving some ranks around in 258 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:47.600 the juniors that we're able to hold on to them, 259 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:49.639 you know. And god And is even a Moses client, 260 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.519 so we were able to hold on to him even 261 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.320 though there was serious interests from Union and whatnot. Macasini 262 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.480 was actually probably the biggest one that we needed to 263 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.039 hold on to. I still him to probably make his 264 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.679 NERL debut sometime this year once he turns eighteen. But 265 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.440 we are retaining juniors. The Galvin one, I think, unfortunately 266 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.799 no matter what. If you know, maybe if there was 267 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.919 different circumstances with manager or his parents, I think there 268 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.720 was probably an absolute Buckley's chance that we held on 269 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.279 to him, just with all the other circumstances going around 270 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.559 on the back. You know, if the money they're talking 271 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:31.720 about that he sacrificed is true, what chance did we 272 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:32.240 really have? 273 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.480 Yeah, I tend to agree with the Galvin one. I 274 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.039 don't want to get stuck on him tonight, Gary, But 275 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.200 do you have any thoughts about local juniors. Do we 276 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:47.600 still have a problem in in terms of retaining our 277 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.480 best or is it sort of the Galvin was a 278 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:51.480 one off case. 279 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.080 Well, at this point it's a little bit of a 280 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.679 one off case. We'll see what happens over the next 281 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:00.519 couple of months. We've got telling them to see who's 282 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.519 also off contract at the end of next year, so 283 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.360 it will be interesting to see what happens in that regard. 284 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.559 I think what we're fairly good at at the moment 285 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.919 is keeping those guys who are in the pathway system. Still, 286 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.279 we don't tend to lose that many from the pathway system. 287 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.759 We lost large earlier in the year who went over 288 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:23.919 to Manly, but for the most part, we're good at 289 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.399 keeping them at that level. Those players that are making 290 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.799 the NRL side now from our juniors. It's really only 291 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.080 that first wave of guys who are coming through now, 292 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.559 so it's still to be seen how well we keep 293 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.480 them once they make it to the NRL level. 294 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.159 All right, Jordan, I wasn't. The Boys were on Sunday 295 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.080 night and they went through their one words. I wasn't on, 296 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.440 so I've got my won't. It's actually two words. But 297 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.519 do you have a word to describe that performance against 298 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:57.039 the Cowboys? 299 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:06.240 Probably, if anything, it would have been sporadic, like with 300 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.399 the events of the game and everything that happened we 301 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.159 and like that. You watch the footage of Lewi spraying 302 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.559 bird and them trying to get on top of it. 303 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.679 That there, it was sporadic, but we still managed to 304 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.440 score points. So I think if if we can sort 305 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.559 of kind of hone in on that and and calm 306 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.600 it down a little bit, will be a lot more, 307 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.600 will be a lot better and lock structured. I liked 308 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:30.559 what I saw of Mason, and I think he can 309 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.720 straighten us up a bit. But yeah, I just think 310 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.639 we looked a bit sporadic with what we tried to 311 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:36.519 do and it sort of kind of undid us in 312 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:37.200 certain points. 313 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.200 We'll get to the game preview Gary laid in regards 314 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.399 to team changes, But I thought that was a huge 315 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:47.320 positive to come out of the game. Mason. 316 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.559 He was He was dynamite, Yeah, very lusive, very good footwork. 317 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.799 I want to see what he's passing game is like. 318 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.039 He didn't really do much passing in that game. I 319 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:01.159 haven't seen a lot of it when he was at 320 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.119 fullback I ever. I thought when he played fullback earlier 321 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.960 in the season he struggled to create the shape and 322 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.119 make the players outside him better. 323 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:11.240 So that's probably the. 324 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.759 Biggest challenge for him at the moment is how well 325 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.359 that passing game he's able to implement, because if you're 326 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.559 playing five eight, you need to have a passing game. 327 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.319 But he's running game looked excellent on the weekend. And 328 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.359 what really impressed me about his game on the weekend 329 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:28.960 wasn't with the ball. I was really worried about him 330 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:31.799 being a target in defense, but I thought he really 331 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:37.759 held his position defensively, really strongly, probably better than what 332 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.480 Galvin has so far into his career. So it was 333 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.960 a very good defensive effort from Mason on the weekend. 334 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.119 Difficult one for me to lineup Jordan because we often 335 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.720 go on this podcast about glass half full and glass 336 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:54.000 half empty, and I mean, you look at that game 337 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.079 and I just feel like it was so winnable. Like 338 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.200 if we were to play him again next week in 339 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.440 North Queensland, I'd be really confident. But don't now if 340 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:05.039 that makes me more angry or or you know, because 341 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:08.039 I just feel like, you know, Steve, particularly on our 342 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.200 pot e, he hammered us. And I think that's fair. 343 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.200 Is that no point blaming referees. You know who's going 344 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.319 to be referee. When you haven't been a strong club 345 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.079 for ten years, you're probably going to get the bad 346 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.480 end of the decisions. And I thought whilst they were 347 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.799 softs in winnings, I just thought, especially in the first 348 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:28.039 twenty minutes, it was really disappointing coming off of buy 349 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.920 And it's something that we've really struggled with this year. 350 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:32.160 Is that starts to games. 351 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:35.839 Yeah, definitely. And I don't think it makes you mad 352 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:37.680 at you. I think it makes you a West Tigers fan. 353 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:43.599 It's yeah, if it's not the start of games, it's 354 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.519 that ten minute period after halftime, or it's you know, 355 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.160 it's that ten minute period on either side of the break. 356 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.480 We've got to like it's it's very, very hard to 357 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:57.920 think of a time that we actually played an eighty 358 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.599 minute game, that we played a game that we really 359 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.000 put structure everything, put a team to the sword that 360 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.519 wasn't injury riddled, or you know, we haven't put an 361 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.920 eighty minute performance against a top tier team. The closest 362 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.559 one was possibly the Sharks game, but even then that 363 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.279 got too close for comfort. But we've got to find 364 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.240 that ability to start a game strong and maintain it. 365 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.599 We have to be able to maintain that momentum and 366 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:32.119 that strength and not fall apart the moment of decision 367 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.400 or a sin binning or you know, something that goes 368 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:38.240 against us and we just seem to go weak at 369 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:38.720 the knees. 370 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.319 Interesting point I thought Steve made Gary that I was 371 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.160 nodding my head on when I was listening on Monday, 372 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.400 is that now our wins tend to be ones that 373 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:51.680 are a little bit frantic. I still don't feel in 374 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:54.240 some of our wins outside of the first paramounta game 375 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.599 in Newcastle game that we control games in terms of 376 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.599 the collision and in terms of game plan and just 377 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.440 playing the long game, it seems like I think Steve 378 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:04.440 used to quote, you know, our heart rates aret one 379 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:06.400 hundred and eighty at the end of the game, which 380 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.160 is spot on in terms of that shaft and that 381 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:14.559 Dragons win. Do you feel like that is potentially something 382 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:16.240 that's going to hold us back in terms of the 383 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.400 style of football that we're playing. Is it a coaching 384 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.720 thing or is it a roster thing. 385 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:21.319 I think it's a ruster thing. 386 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:24.839 I think I answered Steve on this the other night 387 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.759 by saying, we're going to be frantic when you're worried 388 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.839 as a team that you've got guys in the side 389 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.200 that you don't just don't trust to hang on the 390 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.000 ball or not make a stupid mistake, Like it's really 391 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.079 hard to build pressure when you don't hold onto the 392 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.799 ball for long enough. And what that then leads to 393 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:46.680 is it leads to guys probably trying to do a 394 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:49.359 little bit too much, a little bit too early, and 395 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.079 that just compounds the issue. And I think that's why 396 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.119 we kind of look frantic and a little bit all 397 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:58.400 over the shop. Is I still think despite I think 398 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.400 the morale and the guys are playing for each other. 399 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:06.079 I still think there's guys who probably feel they have 400 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.759 to do too much because they can't rely on a 401 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.039