WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.359 Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It 2 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.440 is episode one oh four. I'm Mike Maharty is always 3 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:20.600 here with Mary Kesh. 4 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.800 Hey, I'm here, and Dan Reikert. Hi, it's me Dan 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:25.960 Reikert metal Gear. 6 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:29.679 That's close enough. That's actually not Dan Riykert. 7 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:32.759 Why you invited me? Just because you needed someone else 8 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:33.799 who knew about metal gear. 9 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:35.880 I just needed someone who could do a semi decent 10 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:41.920 Dan impression. Have you done one before that's better than mine? Mine? Mine, 11 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.079 Mine's usually like mediocre compared to that. 12 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.920 I liked his first one where he just said metal. 13 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:53.359 Gear fair I am I'm impersonating Dan's wife, impersonating Dan 14 00:00:54.079 --> 00:01:01.159 metal gear, metal gear farting, metal gear farting. Mario Mario Mario. Yeah, yeah, 15 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:01.719 that covers it. 16 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:03.960 That's Dru Scanlon. Thank thanks to you, thanks for me. 17 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.079 Yeah, yes, that's true. 18 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:05.560 Scalon. 19 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:07.959 Oh yes, A lot a lot of people on listening 20 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:09.799 to the show will undoubtedly know who he is. But 21 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.040 for those of you who might not Drew as a 22 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.959 former staple of the Giant Bombs staff back in the 23 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.920 heyday of the site, you did a lot of stuff 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.120 for Giant Bomb West specifically, but you also founded cloth 25 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.239 map on Patreon, did a lot of awesome videos about 26 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:28.840 video games about travel, kind of the overlap between them, 27 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:32.719 but also separately really cool stuff. I guess the very 28 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.120 non video game in tune. People might know him as 29 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.159 Blinking White Guy from the give. I did ask him 30 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:39.959 before the recording, was like, are you sick of that? 31 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.439 Or should I mention it? But uh, yes, that is 32 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:43.120 Drew Scanlon. 33 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:44.480 That's me. 34 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.239 Dan was traveling in New York this week. I got 35 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:48.879 to not get the chance to see him, but yeah, 36 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.840 it was a crazy week for everybody. Mary. You people 37 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:53.480 watching on the video version will notice she's not in 38 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:54.280 your usual office. 39 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.120 She I probably sound different too. 40 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:00.000 She short circuited her entire electrical board and the house. 41 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:01.400 Explain it one more time. 42 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.959 Okay, so we have we got solar panels on the roof, 43 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:10.000 which is good, should be really helpful for the environment 44 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:12.479 and our bills. But the final step is that they 45 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.240 have to like essentially reset all of the electricity in 46 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.759 the house so that they can switch it to on. 47 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.919 And in the process of doing that, it might have 48 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.800 short circuited my computer, which I usually record on, So 49 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:31.680 I'm recording from a laptop with my really sad blue 50 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.560 yetti mic and a Logitech webcam, so totally different setup. 51 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:40.280 I probably sound not as good. I apologize, I have 52 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.080 to say though. We all know this, especially anyone who's 53 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:47.879 ever done like E three major broadcasting. You never update 54 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.719 your system before a major event. You just don't. You 55 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.919 avoid all updates. You do not reset, you do not reboot, 56 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.240 and you just pray and that's it. And I the 57 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.680 idea that I thought that today was the day that 58 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.960 I could reset my computer during recording is this is like, 59 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.479 this is a slap on my face. This is I 60 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.039 am so silly. I know better, I know better than 61 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:12.400 to do this. 62 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:19.080 If you learned nothing from Icarus. Yeah you said, you said, 63 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.120 right before you decided to do it, You're like, this 64 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.879 is a terrible idea. And then we see you load 65 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:26.879 up from a different room of the house, like, yep, 66 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:28.280 something bad happened. 67 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.800 I knew, I knew that's what happened. We have a 68 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.159 lot of changes at the same time, at least so 69 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.680 minus a Dan, but we've added to Drew, which is 70 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:36.960 a pro. 71 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.919 And yeah, again, if you're watching the video version, Drew 72 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.240 and I are not brothers who dress the same. 73 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.159 The white guy uniform. 74 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.599 Yep, I don't have any, though. 75 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:51.439 I'll find my give it time. 76 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.840 Yeah, in the limelight somehow, I was saying to Drew 77 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:59.439 that my grandma's maiden name is Scanlon. But I don't 78 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:01.439 think it's the I mean, it's not like a common name, 79 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.199 but I don't think it's like ultra rare. So maybe 80 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:05.080 maybe somewhere way down. 81 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.080 I mean, how many Irish people are there. It's probably 82 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:08.199 not many. 83 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:10.120 It's not like they're known back in the day for 84 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.039 having way too many kids or anything, but so there 85 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.639 are probably isolated pockets of them around the world. Speaking 86 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.439 of also a war a quick not warning that sounded ominous. 87 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.519 But if I have to leave suddenly for like thirty seconds, 88 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.560 I told Drew and Mary it's because I have my 89 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:31.079 official Ireland slash EU citizenship papers on the way. I'm 90 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.839 I got approved. I think I told Dan Mary a 91 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:35.720 few times that I was applying for that because my 92 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:38.040 grandpa was born there, so they opened that up to 93 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.920 through Foreign Births Department, So I have to go sign 94 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.879 for them. If my buzzer rings, I'm a fourth floor 95 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.639 walk up, I'll be like surfing down the handrail to 96 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:48.920 go sign for those. But I'll be back momentarily. You 97 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.920 two can just vamp. But uh, yeah, we're and then 98 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.560 we're going to Ireland. I'm going for the first time. 99 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.959 I figured I owed it to them to visit because 100 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:58.959 I'm going to be a citizen. The least I could do. 101 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.759 Yeah, so you had to put foot on soil before 102 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.000 they consider you a citizen. What's going on here? 103 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:06.000 No? 104 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:07.439 Yeah? Yeah. 105 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:15.600 It was a really really painful, like paperwork experience, quite 106 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.560 a lot of notarizing and tracking down. 107 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:19.759 I had to. 108 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.480 I sent in a copy of my birth certificate and 109 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:28.199 my grandpa's and his death certificate. He was however, well, a, 110 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.240 They're like, just because this is notarized, we need an original. 111 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:34.079 Maybe in my ignorance, this is the first time I 112 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.600 realized you could get new birth certificates. I just assumed 113 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:39.959 like you were fucked if you lost your original one. 114 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.199 So I sent in my original and I had to 115 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.199 track down. I had to go to I forget what 116 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.120 the name of the department is an Irish government, but 117 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.920 basically had to tell them, hey, this is my grandpa, 118 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:53.000 here's where he was born, here's his birthday. It turned 119 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:59.639 out he was actually born three months sooner than the birthday. 120 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.160 We've been celebrate. We celebrated his whole life because he 121 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:06.160 lived on a farm outside of Castle Bar in County 122 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.680 Mayo on the west coast of Ireland. So his parents 123 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.519 just never got the chance, didn't get the chance to 124 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.319 bring him in and get a birth certificate until he 125 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.360 was like three months old. It's because there was a 126 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.600 big deal to like bring the family into town. So 127 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.040 that that caused the hiccup because they're like, we have 128 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:25.199 a Michael Joseph Ruaine, but he was born in January 129 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.720 of this year. I was like, that's not him. I'm 130 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.240 he had a huge family. There's probably another Michael Joseph 131 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.879 Wrain in the area. And then I asked my mom. 132 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.720 She's like, oh, no, I think that's probably him. We 133 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:39.079 just celebrated his official birthday, his whole life. What what's 134 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:39.519 going on? 135 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.920 Why would of the two, why would you pick the 136 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.439 one that the government says is your birthday? 137 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.079 I think it like made things simpler in terms of 138 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:53.800 like actual milestones legally throughout his life, like like driving inside, 139 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.399 I really don't It's just funny to me. I said 140 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:58.600 the same thing, like why wouldn't we He was such 141 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.000 this like Catholic dude, Why wouldn't we have celebrated his 142 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.079 like quote unquote god given birthday or whatever. But now 143 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.560 we went by Ireland's So yeah, I'll have Irish citizenship. 144 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.279 Is pretty great because specifically the Republic of Ireland you 145 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:14.800 get EU citizenship. 146 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.879 They did not secede. 147 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.680 However, there's also and I forget the exact name, they 148 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.600 have an agreement with the UK. As I understand it, 149 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.800 I could also live and work in the UK through 150 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.279 this like sister country agreement. I just don't think i'd 151 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.279 be I wouldn't be a citizen, but you kind of 152 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.560 get the best of both worlds if you're an Irish citizen. 153 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:38.480 So I'm very happy about that. Also, you know, I've 154 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.160 my wife and I talk about living maybe in Europe 155 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:45.439 for a bit for various reasons. Maybe you know, it's. 156 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.759 There's so much more wine over there. I assume it's 157 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.720 it's the decision. If it was like a pie chart, 158 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.839 it would be like maybe quality of life, and like 159 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.439 ninety percent of it is wine. 160 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:59.319 Let's talk about tariffs though, how I think, Yeah, but 161 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.959 it's just a it's a good thing to have. But 162 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.959 now I'll officially be the most Irish person in the 163 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:06.879 games industry, which is nice because I've known I AM 164 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.000 for a while. But now I have like the papers 165 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.560 to prove. I don't know who else could potect a challenge. 166 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:14.399 There's no one else now, one might say, I actually 167 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:15.360 looking forward. 168 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:19.720 To hyeah to you co hosting the Formula one podcast. 169 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:25.000 Yeah, Patreon called yes clip and you know, we'll see 170 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.959 how it goes, make game documentaries. It'll be fun. No 171 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:35.919 one will that. Yeah, well that's exciting, but that's yep. 172 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.240 That's why I'm leaving. I'm leaving suddenly if the bell 173 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:38.720 goes off. 174 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.159 Okay, that's good context. Drew, tell us a little bit 175 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.240 about what you've been up to. I feel like, I 176 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.799 mean outside of people who do not listen to the 177 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.919 F one podcast, your Formula one podcast where you guys 178 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.879 talk about speedy race cars. What do you what have 179 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:54.360 you been doing? 180 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:55.799 Uh? 181 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.879 Well, gosh, yeah, after a giant bomb. Thanks for my 182 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:04.519 cloth map, Mike, Uh that was that was my project 183 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.320 for three years. I don't think the Patreon is still 184 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.480 active anymore. Of the YouTube channel still there if you want. 185 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:13.600 Covid happened, and that made making a travel show very 186 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.399 difficult to produce. Uh, and so I closed that one down. 187 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.559 But yeah, very proud of of that project and what 188 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.639 people who supported me allowed me to be able to do. 189 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.440 It was really fun. And then from there I worked 190 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.120 for a few years at Digital Eclipse video game developer 191 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:35.519 who they do what they call interactive documentaries, so the 192 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:43.600 things like Atari fifty and the Kartica Collection, Jeff Mentor collection, 193 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.399 the most recent Tetris collection. Although I didn't work on that, 194 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.799 that was really cool. But I realized I missed. I 195 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.320 missed video. I missed. I did some video work over 196 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.279 at Digital Eclipse, but like I just kind of missed 197 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:04.279 you know, pretty action and stuff. And so I got 198 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:08.720 a I reached out and Mary had an opening on 199 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.120 her team, and so now I work with Mary. Technically, 200 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:13.000 Mary is my boss. 201 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.000 How much do you love it? 202 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.279 So much? She signs my paychecks. 203 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:27.320 She's very understanding of any mistakes to fly off the hands, honestly, 204 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:27.879 real talk. 205 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.559 Mary has created a really incredible team and it's it's 206 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:33.320 great to work there. 207 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.080 I'm sure you fit in well. I've I've heard great 208 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:37.320 things about working on her. 209 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.080 Yeah, there's a lot of x X games press people 210 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:44.039 and some TV people and yeah, it's it's a great crew. 211 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:46.080 I guess this is as good as time as any 212 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.080 to mention I'm actually joining Mary's not. 213 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:55.639 I'm not. It's my slow journey to acquire everybody whom 214 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.879 I loved. Working in games media makes sense, but it's 215 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.000 actually like a good it's a good group because people 216 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.279 who worked in games media have some of that just 217 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.559 that blue blood work ethic of like we know what 218 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.600 it's like to be in the fire, in the flames 219 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:15.200 of like a live production. They understand editing, but also 220 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:19.279 just kind of there's like that fine tune of that 221 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.759 and corporal life of like being able to handle like 222 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.600 lots of meetings with lots of different partners and parties 223 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:27.360 and people who have lots of different goals and being 224 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.279 able to navigate that space. So I think that there's 225 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:34.399 something about people who we worked with back then that 226 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:37.240 just like really get it, and it is a good vibe. 227 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.600 Everybody on our production crew is like stoked to do 228 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.919 live streams with streamers and about games, sometimes not games. 229 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.759 We recently just did a live stream for April Fools 230 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:51.279 and it was like a y two K stream. It 231 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.480 had nothing to actually I think there was I think 232 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.120 there was one game. But other than that, I mean, 233 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:00.679 like sometimes it can get really weird there, so change place. 234 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:02.080 But I'm really glad you're there. 235 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:03.679 Yeah, I don't think. 236 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.480 Yeah, have a lot of fun. I'm trying to remember. 237 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.360 Have we talked since you went to you met like 238 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.440 Jack Black for Twitch work. 239 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.240 I don't think we officially talked about it. I think 240 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.919 we like half talked about it because it was like 241 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.480 one of those work trips where like I was so 242 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.159 stressed that I think like it was almost like PTSD 243 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.159 bringing it up and I was like, yeah, I did it. 244 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:27.759 And that's not because of Jack Black, who he's like 245 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.159 a saint by the way, He's actually so sweet and lovely, 246 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.639 but it's just it's very stressful to work on a 247 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:37.080 high stakes production with like celebrities, and like there was 248 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.559 a lot of companies involved in that production, and so 249 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.559 I had, like I think, like the truth is is 250 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.600 like when you have like six different parties who are 251 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.720 like we all have a different vision for how the 252 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.480 stream could go, and I am the producer who makes 253 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:51.759 the calls, I was like, great, how do I make 254 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:57.039 as many of you happy as possible without upsetting anybody? 255 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.360 And I think that's almost it's just a very fine 256 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:04.799 line to walk. So I think I walked out of there. Also, 257 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:07.320 the stream was from four to five, and my flight 258 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:14.600 took off at seven in LA and so like if 259 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.000 you can imagine me like running to a partner and 260 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:19.840 being like, how do you want this stream to go? 261 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.399 And they're like, well, they have to mention the movie 262 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:22.720 and they have to mention all these things. And then 263 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:23.960 I run to somebody else and I go, how do 264 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.039 you want this to go? And they're like, well, we 265 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.559 definitely don't want to mention these things. We don't want 266 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.120 to mention the movie, and we don't. Are like okay, 267 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.399 well these are polar opposite ideas, and so like I'm 268 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.919 I'm navigating all these people, making sure as many people 269 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.799 are happy as possible. And Jack Black as usual, he 270 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.360 like literally walks in this street, like walks in and 271 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.240 he's like what are we doing? Like how are we 272 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:43.879 going to do this? He's got like this like flighty 273 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.159 little fun to him, and I was like whatever, like honestly, 274 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.919 like you're Jack Black, like we were hoping you'd play Minecraft. 275 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.799 He was like easy. He sits down, he starts logging 276 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:55.399 into his Minecraft account, which is so cute, and I 277 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.399 was like, ok great, He's going to be fun and 278 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.279 we needed to go live. This is the truth about 279 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.840 these types of events, is that when we when you 280 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.879 have a press junket, you get these people, you get 281 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.320 them for very short amount of time. You get them 282 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.440 for like thirty minutes usually, and to the tea. And 283 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.759 so we asked for an hour because that's how long 284 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:19.000 live streams are, and we compromise for forty five minutes. 285 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.000 So every minute he's on set is part of his 286 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.360 forty five minute you know, obligation to us. And this 287 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.240 isn't even like up to him. This is like the 288 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.000 people that have like offered us, you know, graciously offered 289 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:30.960 us his time. And so I'm like, okay, well we 290 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.399 need to get going with the live stream, Like right now, 291 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.360 I'm counting down these minutes, and he goes, when are 292 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.159 we going live? I have to pee It's for the 293 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:44.080 good of the stream. He just leaps I got to 294 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.919 the bathroom, which is so fair, and like try and 295 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.720 be like really understanding. He leaps back onto the set. 296 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.919 Literally he's like a leaper, and he leaps right back 297 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.399 into his seat. He's ready to play minecraft. He's like 298 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.360 let's go. And that was it, and then we started 299 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.919 the stream. So that's kind of how it happened. But 300 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:04.879 it was just very like from the beginning, the middle 301 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.080 to the very end. I was like, man, I hope 302 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.000 everybody's happy. I hope everybody's having a good time. Jack 303 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.159 Black was so funny. He did a great job. He 304 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.200 sings and dances and he does high kicks. He's really 305 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.879 wild to be around. And when the stream ended, I 306 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:19.559 shook his hand. I said thank you so much. He said, 307 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.879 I had a great time. I love playing Minecraft. I said, awesome. 308 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.440 I grabbed my suitcase. I shook the production person's hand, 309 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.519 I shook three other business partner's hands. I got in 310 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.960 a car. I went through LA traffic for fifty minutes. 311 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.639 I got to the airport at five point fifty five 312 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.960 and I went through security and I boarded at six 313 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.759 twenty five and they stopped boarding at six point thirty. 314 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:45.399 Nice. 315 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.720 And that was that. And then I think I passed 316 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.200 out on the way, like on the flight, and I 317 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.080 was just I can't believe I was able to pull 318 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.240 that off. My dog is I have a dog sitter 319 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:57.080 usually when I have to go on work trips, but 320 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.200 they couldn't stay that night, and so I was like, 321 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.399 I have to get at home tonight for the dog. 322 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.879 So I had like all these different priorities. But you know, 323 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.960 we threaded the needle. We like made it work on 324 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:08.679 that one. But that's probably like one of the craziest 325 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:10.879 live stream experiences I've ever had, honest to God. 326 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.639 Yeah, because I would have been in sef with LEXI. 327 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.840 Well not there with him, but we were both in. 328 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.799 A GDC was that week? GDC was that week? 329 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:19.120 Right? 330 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.759 Okay, yeah, perfect, perfect storm. I was just telling Drew 331 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:23.759 before this, my schedule this week has been kind of 332 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:25.000 a shit show. 333 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.120 I'm glad you made time for us, though. I mean 334 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:31.360 I know that like between this and wine learning and 335 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.000 being a cat dad, I mean your schedule must be 336 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:36.120 like packed. 337 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.080 Yeah, I'm wine learning. 338 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.200 Wine learning is a good portion. 339 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.840 For this level of I'll be done in a We're 340 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.159 recording this web in the fourth I'll be done May first. Well, 341 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:47.600 I'll take my test and then I'll find out whether 342 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:48.879 I passed, like a month after that. 343 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.440 So this is the actual If you passed this, you 344 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.320 will be a Somalia No. So okay, this I'm taking. 345 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.799 This is the w set classes to a school in 346 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.200 London Wine and Spirits Education Trust. If you want it 347 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.839 to go more service side, which maybe at some point 348 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.119 in my life I'll actually go the sommelier route or 349 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.640 try it out see if I like it, who knows. 350 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:13.519 But if you want to go down that route, you 351 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.160 can do certification, and it's it's like any it's like 352 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.720 any career paths. Like you know, you don't need the certifications, 353 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.359 but they don't hurt. So there's this court of master 354 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.279 somily is that is you take those and you have 355 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.000 to like you know, learn tasting, learn theory, and learn service, 356 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.720 and you take those tests and then you pass and 357 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.200 then you can work. You don't need those, but it 358 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.200 helps to work in some like high end spots in 359 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.880 New York or San Francisco or London or Cleveland wherever 360 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.920 you might be where there's like wine bars and restaurants. 361 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:45.039 But I'm taking w SET, which right now is that's 362 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.119 more generally geared toward if you want to go into 363 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.519 importing or sales or teach or be an academic in 364 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.759 the wine area. That's it's it's geared toward that. So 365 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:59.519 I'm taking WST Level three. There's four total four is 366 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.160 the actual ploma. It takes generally two years because you're 367 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.039 doing like, wow, five or six months. 368 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.799 So into it. I mean, I think it's crazy if 369 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:09.480 what do you think is more important, like having these certifications, 370 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.839 which obviously do help, or having like a HEC a 371 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.200 resume of like working at like five well established places. 372 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:20.359 Probably the latter, which if you have them both great. Also, 373 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.319 some people do the certification just to prove that they 374 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.240 could take the test or pass the tests. I don't 375 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.680 know if people have seen like the som documentaries. 376 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.759 I've seen Frasier, and I think that they do the 377 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.480 test that's a documentary and they they fight over it 378 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.000 and like who is who is like the better and 379 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.880 they make them wine test in front of each other 380 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:39.000 in front of like six people. 381 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.079 Oh, I've seen that and he he purposely picked like 382 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.079 a cheap line to get him to think it was 383 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:44.599 a Bordeaux. 384 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:46.519 Yeah, something like that. But it's good. 385 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.839 No, the documentaries are about this group who was just 386 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.920 trying to pass the Master Somier test. It's like in 387 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.519 terms of pass rate, it's like demonstrably maybe the hardest 388 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.960 test in the world. I'm not saying it's the most 389 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.200 important test. In the world. We've got writing to be 390 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.000 drained surgeons and whatnot. I'm not even gonna put. 391 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:13.200 Spine surgeons weird talking wine. It's hard. I don't understand. 392 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:18.680 Sample by the emosurele. So it's you know, the Master 393 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.319 Psalm test is like it's it's sometimes derided for just 394 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.000 being masochistic and you to go that level. I think 395 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:28.519 there are only two hundred and eighty something Master Sombiers 396 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.920 in the world whoa At some point, if I wanted 397 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.160 to do the quarter Master Salmis, you take an introductory 398 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.200 course which is like three days that you just pass 399 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.200 that to basically get invited quote unquote to take the 400 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:44.200 actual certification, at which point you can go and pay 401 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.039 like ten thousand dollars to go to do a sixteen 402 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.319 week course for that, and then you take the test 403 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:50.759 and you're a certified salm and it's a great thing 404 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.079 to have on your resume if you like, I'm not 405 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.160 working in restaurants. It's it would be tough for me 406 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.000 to work in a restaurant when I already have a 407 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.440 day job in video, right, so that certification can help 408 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.839 springboard somebody once you then there's the Advanced Somier, which 409 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.680 is level three basically, and that's also very tough. At 410 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.559 that point, you need to know individual like vineyard names 411 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.480 within regions and whatnot across the world. And then there's 412 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.519 the Master Somier test, where the theory portion alone, you 413 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.160 just you need to be able to say, like, oh, okay, 414 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.559 name these regions in Romania where they grow wine, and 415 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.160 also what's the principal grape in Japan and what are 416 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.000 the flavor profiles of it? And also like if you 417 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.720 were in this part of the world and they were 418 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.960 serving you this kind of food, what historically would they 419 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:37.839 serve you with but in recent years how they've been 420 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.519 reevaluating it. And I'm sure all those things I just 421 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.440 mentioned is those would all be softballs for many people. 422 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.279 But yeah, I think people just take those tests at 423 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.039 a certain point just to prove they can. And also 424 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.480 if you prove you're one of the you know, two 425 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:54.759 hundred ninety or whatever it is master psalms in the world, 426 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.519 then at that point you kind of get like people 427 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.319 get job offers the day they passed that test to 428 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:06.200 go work for big champagne houses or to go like 429 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.839 be the beverage director for an entire restaurant. Group that 430 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.960 has restaurants all over the world. But yeah, I started 431 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.480 this course in my free time. It's once a week 432 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:19.160 for sixteen weeks, but it's a lot more self study. 433 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.240 I just figured, all right, I'll try it out. Maybe 434 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.519 once I make wine an obligation, I'll start disliking it 435 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:27.839 a bit more and want to just keep it a 436 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.559 pure hobby. But like Drew you said it earlier, it's 437 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:32.880 kind of a rabbit hole. It's like the more I 438 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.559 learn about it, the more I want to learn about it. 439 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:36.960 So that hasn't slowed down yet, and it's it's going 440 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.880 really well. My tasting's way better, my theories definitely. I 441 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.359 just enjoy reading about wine. My favorite part of wine 442 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.240 studying is like looking at maps and piecing together like 443 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.599 how the the ocean influences in the ocean currents and 444 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.119 mountain ranges have similar effects in Chile as they do 445 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.559 in California and the West coast of New Zealand. It's 446 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:58.000 cool to look at the world like that. 447 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.920 But that's so cool. Yeah, I fully endorse getting certifications 448 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.720 for stuff like I think it's just such a fun 449 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.279 way to engage with the topic. Yeah, yeah, I got 450 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:15.519 my inspired by Vinnie, I got my Ham radio license, 451 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:22.119 which completely different scenario than you are describing, because there's 452 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:27.039 something called a Ham cram where you go in and 453 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:31.160 they say, okay, at the end of this like multi 454 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:35.039 hour session, you're going to take the test to get 455 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.359 your Ham radio license, and you need to be licensed 456 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.319 because like for your body. Yeah, so you have to 457 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:45.000 cram for the test. So the way that they do it, 458 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.880 and I can't believe this is actually like legal or 459 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:55.000 that this stands, is they have a book of all 460 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.640 of the questions that are going to be on all 461 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:00.599 of the potential questions that could be on the test, 462 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.519 and so for many hours, all you're doing is just 463 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:09.640 looking through those questions and answers. And because the test 464 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:16.960 doesn't scramble ABC or D, they instruct you to just memorize, 465 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:20.359 not look at any of the wrong answers, just read 466 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.519 the question, read the right answer, and then when you 467 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.599 come across it on the test, you just remember the 468 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:27.440 one that you read. 469 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:32.319 Okay. Interesting, so a hand scan. They really want people 470 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:35.279 to pass, right, So they want more people in on 471 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:40.200 this on this practice. So Ham Radio correct me if 472 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.640 I'm wrong. You could if the way it functions, you 473 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:48.400 could tune into different channels right now and hear someone 474 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.440 who just happens to be speaking to that channel. 475 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.359 Yeah, okay, yes, and you wouldn't need this, it's been 476 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.880 a while. You don't need a license to tune in, 477 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:03.160 you need a license to transmit. Okay. And it's actually 478 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.519 it's not I misspoke earlier. It's not a broadcast. Broadcast 479 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:12.000 means multiple channels. It is ham radio is just one channel. Yeah, 480 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:14.319 which is why you need an FCC license, because you're 481 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.920 broadcasting or you're you're transmitting to a frequency that anyone 482 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.039 could theoretically pick up. 483 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.000 So the license, you could do that right or Mary 484 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.559 could do it right now if she wanted to. But 485 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.000 if she would have a license, could she transmit? Like 486 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.759 could she actually like does she have the means to transmit? 487 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.400 She just can I transmit illegally? 488 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.000 What is your radio station? 489 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:36.359 Yeah? 490 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:36.759 Yeah? 491 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:42.160 Is that what pirate radio is? Like? Unlicensed? Oh? Gotcha? 492 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.519 Okay, cool, But it's tough to do because of the 493 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.079 way that you know, physics work. You're very easy to triangulate. 494 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:48.359 Yeah. 495 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.599 I was gonna say, would they be able to track 496 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:50.160 you right away? 497 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:50.640 Yeah? 498 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:50.920 Yeah? 499 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:52.960 But what do they do to the FBI come and 500 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.079 like knock down my little shed where I like play 501 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.359 banjo for like three other people. Like how much do 502 00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:59.000 they give a shit? 503 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.839 If you're interfering with stuff, they'll absolutely come after you. 504 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.960 What kind of official like authorities use ham those kind 505 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.480 of radio waves to communicate. 506 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:16.160 So mostly it's for emergency response, So when there's no 507 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:21.559 cell towers, you know, emergency coordination will be done over 508 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:26.400 HAM radio. I've also seen it for like when like 509 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.559 on cycling rides, like fundraiser cycling rides that I've done, 510 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.200 different stations will communicate with each other over Ham because 511 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:37.559 sometimes there's not cell service. 512 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.440 Okay, I as morbid as it is, I do like 513 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.200 the idea. It makes me laugh to think about like 514 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.920 an evac helicopter just circling Portland and it can't find 515 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.839 an emergency because Mary's just like thrashing her upright base 516 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.680 on her pirate radio. Mary two point sixty seven. 517 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.440 This goes out to all six of you out there. 518 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.960 I know that some of you might be looking for emergencies, 519 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:09.240 but this is also an emergency. How then the FBI 520 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:13.960 breaks through my windows and tackles me. This is a 521 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.480 really interesting concept though, Like when you're getting a license 522 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.119 or when you're when you're going through this process, like, uh, 523 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.480 are you doing so with the intent to broadcast, like 524 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:23.720 you want to broadcast Drew. 525 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.880 It's tough because to I would love to be able 526 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.359 to talk to Vinnie, but he's on the other side 527 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.319 of the country, so it would be possible, but we 528 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:37.039 would both need really big antennas, and that's something that's 529 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.839 tricky to do in San Francisco. 530 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.160 Oh okay, right where I live. That's so funny. That's 531 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.000 that does sound like a like a cool thing to do. 532 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.200 Like the analog nature of it, Like the idea that 533 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.799 you do, like you would actually need a bigger physical 534 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:57.079 thing to send it farther is so refreshingly, like one 535 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.960 to one as opposed to everything else I don't understand 536 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:01.039 with the internet today. 537 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.599 Yeah, so I actually did study for the test. Yeah, 538 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.640 and because I don't just wanted to learn this stuff, 539 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.880 and you're right, it's like, oh it needs to be. 540 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.799 It just clarified a lot of stuff that I missed 541 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.319 in physics class in school. We're like, of course the 542 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.359 antenna needs to be that tall because the actual wavelength 543 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.920 is like multiple meters, like the wave that is going 544 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039 on the air is physically this large. 545 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.519 Yeah, okay, from the peak to the value whatever you 546 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.319 want to call it, or there's probably more official terms. 547 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.319 No, that's it peak and valley. Yeah. Yeah, you could 548 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:35.400 pass your your HAM test today. 549 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:41.599 Your valley's interfering with my riffs. Yeah, that sounds cool. 550 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.079 So you aren't licensed, you passed it? 551 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.400 I did. There are three levels. I am at. 552 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.799 Number two, okay, and do you just get increasing permissions 553 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.039 at the third level or yeah? 554 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.559 You can broadcast or you can sorry, transmit on more 555 00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.359 and more frequencies as you go up. 556 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.119 Are there only two hundred and ninety one other Tier 557 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.359 three ham hams? 558 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.160 It's totally getting close to that because they're all dyeing. 559 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.680 Do they have to definitely like flying? It is for olds. 560 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:20.480 They to differentiate between nebiolo and sang. Oh. 561 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.359 Yes, there's probably a good Venn diagram. 562 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.400 That Bermuda triangle of red wines. In Italy. 563 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.799 You can get pretty drunk and jam out on your 564 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.440 HAM radio, but you should not drink and fly. 565 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:39.160 Interestingly, you cannot curse. Also, is FCC regulated frequency? 566 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:40.519 Interesting? 567 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.400 But again, you're. 568 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.799 The FBI gonna knock down my door because I set 569 00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.759 a couple fbis don't get fined. 570 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.039 Wow, you don't get fined. Yeah, because they know the 571 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.920 frequency that you will be transmitting. 572 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:53.920 Well, who's hearing me? 573 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:06.079 I guess if you're if you're transmitting to no one. 574 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.240 Says, go fuck yourself in the woods? 575 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:06.720 Is the sin? 576 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:07.720 Find them? 577 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.920 Just get a talk a walkie talkie and turn off 578 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.680 the other one and go to town. 579 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:17.839 I do. I do have walkie talkies. Me and josh 580 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.359 My my buddy who lives in Portland, have walkie talkies 581 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.240 and we use them on road trips and it's really 582 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.200 fun to be able to talk to someone, uh via walkie. 583 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.160 I think there's something classic about it makes me feel 584 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.119 like a kid again and I really love it. So 585 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.480 we did a road trip last Christmas and it was 586 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.079 maybe like a four hour road trip. So we had 587 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.319 these walkie talkies where we could just be like, you know, 588 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.880 got a stop to be, you know, over, and we 589 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.279 would do that. But then one of the places that 590 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.440 we were stopping to get gas, it was really close 591 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:54.759 to a just a hardware store, and as we were 592 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.240 talking to each other, a person came on was like, yeah, 593 00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.200 we need some want to come to Aisle three here 594 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.400 and it turns out whatever we were broadcasting on the 595 00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.720 people who were working at the woodshop were using the 596 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.799 exact same broadcast frequency for their radio, and so that's great. Yeah, 597 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.000 Josh and I would just keep being like, hey, we 598 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:15.039 need to go get some more slim gyms before we 599 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.839 start back all right over, and then they would be like, Tana, Tanya, 600 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:21.519 is that you you hear them? 601 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.920 We don't have any I. 602 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.960 Don't understand messing with their frequencies and their radio, but 603 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.880 it's so neat that in a simple act of us 604 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.759 communicating where we're on the same frequency as people doing 605 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.759 their jobs, it felt really fun to talk back and 606 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.359 forth like that. And I actually I love my walkie talkie. 607 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:43.240 Yeah, I got fun. 608 00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.759 When I was younger, I don't know nine, my next 609 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.400 door neighbor, Alyssa, and I hung out a lot and 610 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.160 at a certain point we're like, oh, let's let's use 611 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.920 these walkie talkies. And my older brother had to like say, hey, 612 00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.200 do you want to come over or do you want 613 00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.599 to play basketball? Or do you want to like come 614 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.440 over go swimming? So we basically decided to use those. 615 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.279 And the first night we well, first evening we had them, 616 00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.599 I went to Uh, like, right after dinner with my family, 617 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.680 I like called her, let's go let's you gotta come over, 618 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.279 Let's let's go swimming. It's super nice out And like 619 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.160 twenty seconds later, Alyssa's dad shows up at our house 620 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.200 and like with the walkie talk He's like, this is 621 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:21.839 not happening. And then he just gave it back to 622 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.640 us because apparently I had been annoying them during their dinner. 623 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:25.599 And she didn't turn it off. 624 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.720 He's like, no, fuck this, you left next door, go 625 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.279 over and knock off. I know, but he just he 626 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:38.799 had to make a point. I'm yeah, that was fuck him. 627 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:43.039 But yet, Drew, don't you also have your pilot's license 628 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:44.480 of some sort? Is there? 629 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.880 I'm assuming there are multiple levels to all that. Yeah, 630 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.599 certainly there's there's different ratings. Uh so I can I 631 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:58.279 can fly a single engine land piston airplane, So no 632 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:02.519 jets for me. Yeah, well, moving on fly I can't. 633 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.839 I can't fly a seaplane yet, although that would be awesome. 634 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:08.960 Yeah, that'd be cool. There's a there's a service here 635 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:10.920 that you could fly between like New York and Boston. 636 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.160 They land on in the Harbor and then on the 637 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.359 Charles or whatever. Light there was for a while. I 638 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.759 don't know if they still have it. So do you 639 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.160 fly regularly or no? 640 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:25.880 So I got I got my pilot's license in February 641 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.440 of twenty twenty, okay, and then couldn't really fly during 642 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.319 COVID because the place I was renting my planes from 643 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:39.079 temporarily closed because of that. And so the thing the 644 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.279 thing about flying is again this is why it's for olds, 645 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.599 is that if you are inexperienced like me, it is 646 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.119 dangerous to fly infrequently because you just get rusty. Yeah, 647 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.519 so you if I were to pick it back up, 648 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:57.880 I would want to make sure that I could do 649 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.880 it with regularity so that I. 650 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.720 Don't kill yourself, don't. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's super fair. 651 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.200 I mean the thing about these hobbies, I'm like a 652 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.960 serial hobby quitter, and I have so many hobbies that 653 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.920 I've picked up over the years, like stained glass. I've 654 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.559 been like trying to mix stain glass art, and I 655 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.599 have like my stand up base. And sometimes I'll be 656 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:19.119 busy for a couple of months, you know, three or 657 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:20.240 four months, and I'll be like, oh my gosh, I 658 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.160 haven't played my bass at all, Like I haven't even 659 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.160 thought about it. But I can always just pick it 660 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.319 up on a rainy day and play a tune and remember, 661 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.519 I'll have to regain my calluses. But that's like the 662 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.519 worst of it. Like you are potentially not just endangering yourself, 663 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.799 you're endangering the lives of others. If you're like, what 664 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:38.960 does this button do mid air? 665 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.279 Yeah, yeah, it's you lose it like you lose any 666 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.519 other skill set. But the risk is so high, higher 667 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:47.880 than most other hobbies. 668 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.119 Yeah for sure. 669 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.920 Yeah, I'm not endangering myself, but taking a week off 670 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.480 from wine tasting, if anything, is probably better. But that's 671 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.359 super cool. Mariy have you flown up plane? 672 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.200 I'm in them. I'm in them all the time. I 673 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.160 was just in a plane a couple days ago and 674 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.119 it was so cute. They did the thing where the 675 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.039 the kids were in the front with the with the 676 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.079 pilots getting their wings, and. 677 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.000 Uh oh, I'm so glad they still do that. 678 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.079 It's such a special moment. And they they were leaving 679 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:19.719 and the mom was like, come on, don't bother them anymore, 680 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:21.360 and the pilot was like, what are you talking about. 681 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.920 They need a picture. My kids ran back in and 682 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.159 he gave him a big hug and she took like 683 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.280 eight pictures. Obviously he was into it. And I think 684 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.920 that's really sweet because that's probably what inspires the next 685 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.719 gen of pilots, is having that experience and being able 686 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.800 to meet a pilot see on all those sick buttons. 687 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.840 That's what That's what puts me into it. It's like, 688 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.719 what what do all those buttons do? I gotta learn. 689 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.639 I got to learn. That's piqued my interest. 690 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.199 I think for me, it's the ability to fly that 691 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.719 entices me. You fly anyway, that's the end goal for me, 692 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.119 I know, but I would I don't know. I'm not. 693 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.000 I fly a lot as well. I don't love it. 694 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.199 I'm I go through phases, but I feel like the 695 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.599 older I get, the less I like flying. And I'm 696 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.519 not saying I'm old, but I'm I'm getting there. Just 697 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.519 that my tolerance for it decreases every time. Maybe I 698 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.960 need to go the pilot's route so I can like just. 699 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.280 It is a It is a different kind of experience 700 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.719 in those little planes. Like you know, an airliner is 701 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.320 basically a building. Yeah, and when you're in a little plane, 702 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.760 you're very for better or worse, very aware of all 703 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.000 the physics going on. You can feel all the wind happening, 704 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.679 and like, yeah, it's it's a different experience. 705 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.159 Yeah, I feel like that would lessen my anxiety getting 706 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.880 on an airliner if I had been flying a single 707 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.840 engine that I disagree. 708 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.599 I feel like if I can feel the wind, my 709 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.880 anxiety might be peaked. I feel like, even you know, 710 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.400 with an experienced pilot, Yeah, I would just be. 711 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.239 Like and like getting on a United flight would be fine. 712 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:57.679 Yeah. 713 00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:58.239 There. 714 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.320 I had the worst turbulence in my life a few 715 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.880 weeks of coming back from GDC. The plane did one 716 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.840 of those things where we tilted so hard, like five 717 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.639 hundred feet off the runway that I thought he was 718 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.920 turning like it was that abrupt. It was after those 719 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.079 like country wide storms, so I'm sure it wasn't that bad. 720 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.960 But to me, who sometimes is not great with turbulence, 721 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.519 it was like, oh, okay, this is it. 722 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.440 Yeah. I was in a one next quick coming into 723 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.239 I think the Portland Airport when I was a kid, 724 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.800 and the turbulence was so bad the overhead compartments were 725 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:33.360 popping open. 726 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:34.320 Yeah. 727 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.159 Yeah, that's never fun. Flight attendants were getting hit by luggage. 728 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:38.440 It was. 729 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.039 It was bad. 730 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.679 It's when the plane the yaw is when it's the 731 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.360 actual like this right the wings, that's what's yea yaw 732 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.840 is is that's what when the yaw changes, like the 733 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:54.159 nose of the plane just like slides left or right 734 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.000 above round, that's what gets me. I'm like, this can't 735 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.960 be good, like in terms of physics and landing proper. 736 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.039 Really yeah, but uh but it's I don't know, we 737 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.599 get where we're going. 738 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:09.239 I love to share this video of them testing airplane 739 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.679 wings and uh. They basically like attach cables to the 740 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.000 ends of a plane while it's you know, uh, on 741 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.239 the ground under construction, and they winch the wings up 742 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.199 and it is crazy how high the wings can go 743 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.639 before they break. It's like way above the fuselage. Like 744 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.559 it almost looks like a bird flapping its wings before. 745 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.280 Last shuttle from Star Wars exactly. 746 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.320 Yeah, it's like maybe not that far, but like pretty 747 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.440 far up there. And so that that made me feel 748 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.119 pretty good. 749 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.440 Yeah, I've I've heard people say like and to be 750 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.639 I'm actually not that bad with turbulence. I don't think 751 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.440 she'll mind me saying my wife really just dislikes turbulence. 752 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.679 It's the more I'd like, actually take the time to 753 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.079 learn about the basics physics of it, and they're like, 754 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.280 just turbulence is like potholes based. And again like I know, 755 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.519 statistically I'm more likely to get in a car crash 756 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.719 leaving the airport. Yeah, it's still sometimes messages with me. 757 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.880 It's just uncomfortable, but you know, like the worst of it, 758 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:15.360 you know, just I think the breathing exercises help, but yeah, 759 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.559 in general, it's just God. You think I'd get used 760 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.119 to it, but I haven't yet. Luckily I have to 761 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.679 fly often. That's always awesome. Great. Maybe I should just 762 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.400 go to Sombi a route I don't. Well, then i'd 763 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.079 be traveling a lot too, but at least i'd just 764 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.119 be walking around a restaurant most of the day. There 765 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.079 you go, everyone, But well, that's cool. You have a 766 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.800 cooler certification than I do. 767 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.920 Don't worry. You'll get there all right. 768 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:46.000 One day. You guys gonna talk about video games? Yeah, sure, Okay, 769 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.519 last episode, Mary, we had talked. You and Dan had 770 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.199 played Assassin's Creed Shadows. I had not yet. Yes, I 771 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.880 have since played between twelve and fifteen hours. Let's say 772 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.519 I'm really really enjoying Assassin's Creed Shadows. I've always liked 773 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.719 the series. I'd say Valhalla really did not do much 774 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.320 for me at all. I feel as if Valhalla went 775 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.639 way too wide. I also did not find that world 776 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.079 to be interesting. I also thought the pacing was not great, 777 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.280 especially when you actually go into that you actually like 778 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:26.000 go play as the character's god counterparts. In Valhalla itself, 779 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:31.000 I found those sections to be interminably boring. The overall 780 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.239 flow of that game just did not work for me. 781 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.599 I tried playing it twice. But I really liked Odyssey. 782 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.559 I really liked Origins. Origins my favorite in the entire series, 783 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.519 along with like Black Flag Rogue, but Assassin's Cree Shadows 784 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.280 striking that sweet spot where Sure, at the end of 785 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.719 the day, it's a pretty fairly standard Ubisoft open world 786 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:52.000 in terms of the actual progression of things you're doing. 787 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:56.880 But I feel as if, a it's absolutely gorgeous this 788 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.400 era of Assassin's Creed, especially like or You're largely obviously 789 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:03.119 in the desert, but there are these pops of color 790 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.559 in like the poppy fields, or these like lavender fields 791 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.920 near the Nile. Odyssey the same thing, their use of 792 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.519 color in this otherwise pretty you know, dry Mediterranean climate 793 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.280 was really impressive. Here they're doing the same thing. And 794 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:21.599 then you know, like the actual like costume design, the 795 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.679 the verticality in the castles and the towns. The towns 796 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.400 themselves feel pretty alive. I'm really enjoying this game. I've 797 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.000 I've only just gotten Yasuke back the Samurai character, so 798 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:36.639 now I can you know, I have I kill both 799 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:41.039 of them. Yeah, but I like now a lot as character. Also, 800 00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:45.840 her move sets super cool. I've been using the fuck 801 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.800 I forget what's called the webon type with like a 802 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.480 sick like a comma on one end and the ball 803 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.159 the mat flail on the other. 804 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.760 Yeah, I don't remember what that's called either, but it's 805 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.360 like a sickle ball. It's really yeah, yeah, ball and sickle. 806 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.079 So I don't know. I'm liking the game a ton. 807 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.960 I think the like the flow of tracking down one 808 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:08.840 of your targets is just you know, done really well. 809 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.920 I like the scout system. For those who haven't played it, 810 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:18.880 Odyssey introduced the discovery mode that many Ubisoft Open world 811 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:20.679 games have done now or instead of just putting away 812 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.519 point in your map, they're like, all right, he was 813 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.800 last seen in this general area. Some people said he 814 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.280 really likes to drink, so you'd be like, Okay, I'll 815 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:29.920 go look at the taverns in that area, and you'd 816 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.800 eventually like that, Yeah, when you get semi close, it'll 817 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.199 be like, Okay, that's him, but you would need to 818 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:39.320 get close. Valhalla, I believe did something similar, but Shadows 819 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:44.000 does that. Plus, the seasons changed throughout the game, So 820 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.400 when you go back to your hideout, you upgrade your buildings, 821 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.559 you plan out your little animal crossing layout, what have you. 822 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.440 The seasons change. I don't know the full timeline, like 823 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.719 the actual real world time that it takes for them 824 00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.920 to change, but most of the time when I do it, 825 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.760 decent amount of stuff and then go back to the hideout, 826 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.360 the season has changed, so it resets your scouts. Scouts 827 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.840 kind of play off what Brotherhood introduced way back in 828 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.400 the day, where you have other Assassin's Guild recruits that 829 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:14.719 you're sending out on missions to bring back supplies and 830 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.599 also take out assassination targets. Your scouts. You can a 831 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.719 tag supplies in the open world physically with your character, 832 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.920 and then those supplies will be like smuggled out at 833 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.800 the end of the season. So you'll get supplies for 834 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:31.079 your hideout. But when you're on the overall map, you 835 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.079 can actually like hover over the area where you think 836 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.159 a character is or like an objective is, and you 837 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.920 can say tell your scouts to scout the area and 838 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:42.639 they'll find the objective for you, which is kind of 839 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:44.559 a nice middle ground I think for people who like 840 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.679 the discovery mode but also flavorful diegetic reason for you 841 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.239 finding the waypoint is you sent in your recruits to 842 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:52.800 go right. 843 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.119 They found a good way to put it into stories 844 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.239 that it feels real. 845 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.559 Yeah, Yeah, they like do that. 846 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.840 Throughout the entire assess so at some point as well, 847 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.480 because it has some of these like really linear linear 848 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.039 areas where you're not supposed to veer from the path, 849 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.360 and then it's just like you're leaving the memory and 850 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.199 it's just like, all right, this is like how you 851 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.639 keep me within the game world, and you need to 852 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.519 be able to sell this to me. I find that 853 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.039 one really weak and kind of annoying. This one is 854 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.000 like something that you can buy. You're sending out scouts 855 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.000 and that tells you whether or not there's something in 856 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.079 that area for you to investigate. Yeah. 857 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.840 I like that, Yeah, and the I think the last 858 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.760 thing this game's doing really well. I had no idea. 859 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.800 It's that they were going for like a spaghetti Western 860 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.320 kill Bill thing with this. I don't think I gathered 861 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.280 that from any of the trailers. But I don't think 862 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:48.039 this is spoiling much. Noways on a revenge quest most 863 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:53.239 of the game to avenge avenge somebody. But there's a 864 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.119 scene where the shit that the inciting incident happens, let's 865 00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.840 say it's the wedding scene from Kill Bill happens, and 866 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.199 like this, this guitar riff straight out of a Tarantino 867 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.800 movie plays, but it's got this like join like wood 868 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:09.920 flute influence to it. Yeah. But and then you can 869 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.559 see the camera like is zooming in close to each 870 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.840 of the perpetrators faces, and it just it's telling you 871 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.960 what she's doing. She's like taking mental snapshots of their 872 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.559 faces and their armor and stuff, and it like goes 873 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.119 between his scabbard and her face. I was like, this 874 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.079 is fucking badass. Why don't know what? Tell me? It's 875 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:30.400 like it's as told by Tarantino, but it's awesome. It's 876 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:36.079 very highly stylized. I it's a pretty simple revenge story overall, 877 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.239 but you know, she they do the Ghost of Sushima 878 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.800 stuff where Okay, go to this cliff side and meditate 879 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.320 and then you'll go into one of those linear memories 880 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.960 or what are some other like uh, ancillary activities you 881 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.199 can do again, you could smuggle goods when you're going 882 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:56.440 past the hideout. You can there are those obstacle courses, 883 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.239 like those those trials where you're like scaling cliffs. It's 884 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.480 the parkour challenges. 885 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.360 I love those because I love a good challenge just 886 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.280 for it's a platforming challenge, and I find that so fun. 887 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.039 You can turn your brain off for a little bit. 888 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.960 I suppose there is maybe some mental gymnastics of like 889 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.519 how do you get through, but ultimately it's about being 890 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.360 able to press the buttons at the right time, and 891 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.320 that is such a nice release from the other aspects 892 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:22.639 of the game of like oh, I have to hunt 893 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.639 down this person and I need to like solve this puzzle, 894 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.760 Like I love the platforming components in Assassas screen. 895 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:29.519 Yeah. 896 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.519 And the last thing I'll say as well, it's like 897 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.119 having played I think every Ubisoft open world game. Probably 898 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:40.039 my measure of a good open world is how confident 899 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:46.039 the developers are in, leaving spaces empty. Assassin's Green Origin 900 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.000 is still probably my favorite in the series because at 901 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:50.880 the center of that map there's an entire I think 902 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.199 it's the Black Desert. There's litterally, there's nothing you can do. 903 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.280 You can just you can traverse it if you climb 904 00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:58.360 to the top of that one spire. The game director 905 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.360 left like a tribute chief that pops. That's a tribute 906 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:01.639 to his. 907 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:03.920 Late Sun. 908 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.159 I believe. I know that director of that game has 909 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.039 fallen from grace a bit. But outside of that, there's 910 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.679 no objectives. It's literally just an empty desert, which is 911 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:14.639 so cool to me that they didn't feel the need 912 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.840 to stuff it with artificial gamified things. They just let 913 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:22.000 it kind of breathe, so to speak. I think Odysty 914 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.239 obviously got away from that, even when you're on the 915 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.239 high seas between the islands, like oh, there's a pirate 916 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.800 chip coming right at you, or there's sunken treasure, or 917 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.400 it just it did not want to lose your attention. 918 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.119 Valhalla I think went too far in the opposite direction, 919 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.960 where there's no verticality. It's just this swamp for as 920 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.119 far as you can see. But I think Shadow strikes 921 00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.199 are really good balance. There's parts where I'm just riding 922 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.480 through this forest, I come across a shrine that there's 923 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.519 no objective. I think you can maybe pray to it, 924 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.639 but it's just a temporary buffer whatever. But it's just 925 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.000 it can be pretty peaceful in between the more hectic 926 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:54.039 gamified areas. 927 00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.199 Yeah. Yeah, I was just just interesting to hear that 928 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.079 because I think that and you were saying about the 929 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.039 you know, not a waypoint but more of like clues. 930 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.440 I think a lot of the reason I haven't really 931 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:13.239 dived into Assassin's Creed is that they do end up 932 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.840 feeling just too much like a checklist to me and 933 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.760 not enough like I'm embodying the character or it's not 934 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.199 enough like role playing in the lower case sense. Yeah, 935 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.440 and that those touches are nice to hear. 936 00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:29.840 Yeah, at the end of the day, this is still 937 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.360 very much an action game, but the Yeah, the role 938 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.280 playing progression or at least like inhabiting a shinobi who 939 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.880 gets some a bunch of buffs at night and is 940 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.840 very much like taking people out stealthily or just using 941 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.440 more gorilla tactics as opposed to Yasuke was very much 942 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.800 you know, brute force, heavily armored, legit bigger weapons is 943 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.639 the Samurai. I haven't played as him again enough to 944 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.880 see the dichotomy emerge yet, people have told me late late, 945 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.840 as you get more and more into each of their 946 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.840 individual progression trees, it does. But in the sense that 947 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.840 you mentioned you like your your lowercase role playing as 948 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.719 a ninja. It's extremely I think effective in that way, 949 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.039 and I'm still finding little things I didn't know you 950 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.960 could do. I thought it was like a bug at 951 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.599 one point, but the way that they structure many of 952 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.880 the castles, like Osaka Castle was pretty cool for me. 953 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.880 I've actually been there in real life. Apparently it's not. Again, 954 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.119 this game is not like the most historically accurate. There's 955 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.800 a polygon at an article contextualizing the actual Japanese media's 956 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.320 response to the game. Apparently it's pretty sweepingly positive. They're 957 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.440 not saying it's the most accurate thing ever, but they 958 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.800 appreciate the where the artistic liberties have been taken. 959 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.400 I mean, it's it's Assassin's creed too. I think, like 960 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.480 to a degree, we should all like let these things 961 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.840 go a little bit, you know, like you know, you 962 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:53.960 kill the pope into It's like like, let's. 963 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.880 Just yeah, but Pope is like hooking up with the 964 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:58.679 Karl Marx or something. Yeah, I think we can. 965 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:00.920 Yeah, I think we should ease of of like literally 966 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.880 how accurate it is? And more so is is can 967 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.199 you suspend your disbelief? 968 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:04.960 Yeah? 969 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.920 Enough? Where to Drew's point, like, can you feel like 970 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.280 you can like actually role play a little bit or 971 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.159 you just like ticking boxes here to finish the game? 972 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.119 Yeah, And there's I mentioned Oscaka Castle because there's roof 973 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.440 hatches they let you go and there's a lot of 974 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.960 quality of life traversal things. There's just a roof hatch 975 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.119 on many tall towers where you can just press a 976 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.920 button and it'll you'll slip through it. I kept hearing 977 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.119 this weird chime that I could not figure out why 978 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.679 I was doing it. It turns out there were these 979 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.000 winches on the ceiling inside these structures that I can 980 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.519 grapple hook up to like eight feet above me to 981 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.719 pull myself up to the ceiling into the shadows above 982 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.440 of the patrolling guard like cling to the ceiling, oh 983 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.039 fire style or splinter cell. Yeah, And then all of 984 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.840 a sudden dropped down on them like that's pretty cool. 985 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:50.800 They didn't point that out to me at any point. 986 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.280 It's just a nice little option to have, Like, that's 987 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.039 the stuff I wish Assassin's Creed three did more in 988 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.320 the Woods that they didn't. Really, Yeah, I'm really liking 989 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.119 this game. It's the most excited I've been to like 990 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.559 get back to playing an Assassin's Creed since origins and it. 991 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:08.719 I don't know if this will ring the same for 992 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:10.199 you or if you did try it out having not 993 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.400 played one in a while, but I don't get overwhelmed 994 00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:17.519 in this one. It's nothing feels imperative that I just 995 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.760 or obligatory. Obviously, killing the people who killed this person 996 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.199 I care about is like obligatory, and they push it 997 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.400 home anytime you encounter them. But yeah, I'm I'm liking 998 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:29.000 it quite a bit. 999 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:30.639 You know. 1000 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.719 It's it's it's got me hooked. 1001 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.719 I like it nice Drew. 1002 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.599 Yeah, you have been playing the Forever Winter Yes, survival 1003 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.039 game memory serves. 1004 00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.079 So it's uh, sounds like I guess you'd call it 1005 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.119 an extraction shooter. 1006 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:50.880 Oh okay. 1007 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.079 I think structurally it has a lot in common with 1008 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.320 something like Hell Divers third person shooter, but you've got 1009 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.880 a You've got a hub world where you it's you know, 1010 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.599 it's where you outfit your character and take on quests, 1011 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.239 buy things from vendors, and then you've got a map 1012 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:13.079 where you choose where you go into to do your run, 1013 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.840 and then it's it. But I think it's also and 1014 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:19.400 I didn't play a lot of pubg but I think 1015 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.280 it's got some of those elements in it too, because 1016 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.239 like when you outfit your character and you go in, 1017 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.320 it's very it's a very punishing game. It's like very 1018 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:31.480 much a like hardcore hell divers like because you take 1019 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:33.719 your weapons into the game world and if you die, 1020 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.559 those weapons are gone. You can do a corpse run 1021 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.280 and get them back. But it's very much like it's 1022 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.639 that kind of a game. Okay, And the I think 1023 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.159 what's really drawing me to it though, is the the 1024 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:52.239 setting and the art and the presentation, because the developers 1025 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.639 have said that there it's they basically just tried to 1026 00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.960 make they were inspired by the future war scenes in 1027 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.639 the Terminator movies, right, And it is absolutely that like 1028 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.519 you are not it's like three different factions on every map, 1029 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.280 there's a gigantic battle going on, and you are none 1030 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:12.239 of them. You are just a scavenger trying to pick 1031 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:17.119 your way through and find water and like you know, 1032 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:21.159 parts of for for weapons and stuff, and just scrape 1033 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.000 by to get to the extraction zone and get out. 1034 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.440 So it's really tense, and it's just got a really 1035 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.920 good look, like a lot of like visual filters to 1036 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.679 make it look like a VHS tape. Yeah, all the 1037 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:39.519 text in the game looks like it's you know, you know, 1038 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.039 an old CRT like the video input on a CRT TV, 1039 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:43.960 like Get. 1040 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.320 The fuck Out. That game did something similar with its 1041 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.880 CUI in game. I don't know if you played that, 1042 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:49.199 It looks very similar to that. 1043 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.320 Yeah, yeah, I didn't play it, but yeah, I've seen 1044 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.199 some some clips of it, but yeah, it's it's in 1045 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.119 early access. They actually just overhauled the way that the 1046 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.559 water system works. It used to like deplete even when 1047 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.400 you weren't playing the game. That was really divisive. 1048 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.480 Yeah, that's very hardcore. 1049 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.760 They they just updated that to not longer does that? 1050 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.559 Yeah, longer do that. 1051 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.159 Yeah. But if you if you go in and you 1052 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.719 keep dying and you don't like find water and extract 1053 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.599 your your overall water will go down because it costs 1054 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.079 water to go into a map and if it goes down, 1055 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:34.400 your base will get raided by like bandits. So yeah, 1056 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.559 it's it's cool. It's it's got a lot going on. 1057 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.920 It is an early access, so there's there's still some 1058 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.480 jank in there. But it's kind of fun too to 1059 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.280 see a game, you know, listen to its community. They 1060 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.840 do a great job with with responding to people and 1061 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:52.320 putting out video updates and and stuff like that. Thirty 1062 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.280 bucks on Steam and the Epic Game Store. 1063 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:56.599 There's a free demo as well. 1064 00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.719 There is, Yes, so I played a lot of the demo. 1065 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:03.639 Actually I've only it's only one map, but your your 1066 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.440 character can can level up and you can get a 1067 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:07.000 good sense of it. 1068 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:13.000 It sounds rad I'm always curious about extraction shooters because 1069 00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.039 that especially with Bungie trying to get in on that 1070 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.519 with Marathon or at least elements of it. And also 1071 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.480 I think that term like hell Diverge two to your 1072 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.920 point is sort of an extraction shooter. But I think 1073 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:29.360 when extraction shooter fans here extraction shooter, they expect some 1074 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:34.840 level of punishment of losing things permanently, of the risk 1075 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.039 reward being much higher. I am enjoying the game's most 1076 00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:42.199 that borrow elements from that Hell Divers two. I don't know. 1077 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.840 I liked DMZ and Call of Duty. I'm looking forward 1078 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.920 to seeing what Bunge does with Marathon. But I saw 1079 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:53.199 this and it also reminded me if Remnant was futuristic, 1080 00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:56.679 just in terms of the actual and maybe it's the 1081 00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.639 same engine or something, but it looked similar in terms 1082 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:01.880 of sounded like the overall game flow too. But this 1083 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.039 looks rad Yeah, I had it byemarked. I didn't play 1084 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:06.719 it yet though the. 1085 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.880 I heard that some of the team was also the 1086 00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.159 part of the team that made Hawkin, that mech first 1087 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.480 person shooter that came out like ten or fifteen years ago. 1088 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.480 There's a lot of mechs to a lot of mechs, 1089 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:26.800 and that game looked so good. It's like Ghost in 1090 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.280 the Shell or something like very It's like a cyberpunk 1091 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:34.599 future but destroyed. There are so many friggin' pipes everywhere, 1092 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.440 and like just tiny little details all over the place, 1093 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.840 like the pedigree there. Made a lot of sense to 1094 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:42.519 me when I learned that. 1095 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:47.639 Yeah, I remember Hawking or now it's Hawking. Oh, this 1096 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.000 is a different one. I think they're trying to do 1097 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.159 it again. But I know what you're talking about. Yeah, 1098 00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.960 I like this aesthetic. I want to check out Forever 1099 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.559 Winter at some point, Mary, maybe like we try that 1100 00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.239 for a bonus episode or something. 1101 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.039 I mean, yeah, this is a This seems how many 1102 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:03.639 people can you have on a team when you're playing 1103 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:04.960 co op online? Okay? 1104 00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:06.320 Yeah? 1105 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.480 Yeah? And what happens? So again, like just so I understand, 1106 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.280 like understand when you say hell Divers, I was like, 1107 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.800 you know, but when you die in hell Divers, like 1108 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.119 they just call you back down, you know. They even 1109 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.960 have like a really fun system. It's a bit tongue 1110 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:23.760 in cheeks, so that I can just come back to 1111 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.440 life if I die. What happens if I if I 1112 00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.000 die in a four person extraction? Am I gone? 1113 00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.519 Yeah? I haven't played with any other people yet, but 1114 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:34.159 I think it's like solo gamer. 1115 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.360 Drew Scanlon, Yeah, that's me, No other people, please. 1116 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:41.159 I think it's it's like you get knocked down and 1117 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.400 if if you failed to get pulled back up, I 1118 00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:45.400 think you're just spectating. 1119 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:50.199 Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it seems brutal. I think 1120 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.480 there's like a lot of pressure I would have with 1121 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.519 like letting everybody down. 1122 00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.639 But I don't know we've played. Like again, there's that 1123 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:03.079 whole like subsect of co op horror games borrowing from 1124 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:07.239 extraction shooters as well, between Repo, Fasmophobia, Lethal Company. I 1125 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.440 think those all are sort of toying with that structure 1126 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:10.679 as well. 1127 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.719 Don't feel as stressed out. I like accidentally get absorbed 1128 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.159 by a ghost that makes me vomit bile at you 1129 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.320 guys while I'm screaming, get away from me, don't come 1130 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.239 near me. Like, I just don't get that stressed playing 1131 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.079 that game. This game I think has more of a 1132 00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.079 tenseness to it. But I think that that's also like 1133 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.320 a great way to bond with your fellow buds. And 1134 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.599 I mean, Helldivers was my goady last year. It was 1135 00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.800 just so so much fun to play with other people. 1136 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:41.639 So this seems like it'll be really interesting. Are there 1137 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:46.159 different biomes. I'm seeing a lot of machinery or is 1138 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.559 it like you're just basically against machines the whole time. 1139 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:51.280 I'm seeing animal machines and I'm seeing like giant mechs. 1140 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.960 Like, yes, there's three different factions and they all have 1141 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.480 a bit of a different style. Some are like cyborgs. 1142 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.559 Some over just like military dudes. And there's a whole 1143 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.199 lot of mechs and tanks and all manner of very 1144 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.880 frightening things, like a lot of like you know, the 1145 00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.559 the upper torso of a T one hundred crass, Like is. 1146 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.719 That almost like a zombie esque thing? Like I saw 1147 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.079 them like crawling towards you. That's pretty freaky. 1148 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.159 Yeah, as far as biomes go, I've only so far, 1149 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.280 I've only played one map just to try to like 1150 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.960 learn it, because the maps are static, but spawns are different, 1151 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.599 so you never are quite sure where you know a 1152 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.559 patrol is going to be coming through, so you're you're 1153 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.760 always on the lookout for for what's going on. Yeah, 1154 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:38.760 that sounds bad. 1155 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:43.400 It's cool, Mary. I know Dan is bummed he could 1156 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.559 not make it because he was looking very much forward 1157 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:47.960 to talking about the game. That we delayed this episode 1158 00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:51.360 a few hours to hit him Barber or to meet Embargo. Rather, 1159 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.280 You've been playing blue Prints, and I want to point out, 1160 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:57.119 I don't think you spelled it right. 1161 00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.599 Uh it's Prince p R. 1162 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:07.000 I yeah, but I wrote it down. Yeah, So anyway, yeah, 1163 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:08.760 take it away. What is Blueprints? And I've hearing a 1164 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.079 lot of people wish Dan this is going. 1165 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:13.280 To be This is going to be on a lot 1166 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.400 of people's list this year. This game is fucking incredible, 1167 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.039 and I'm going to do my best to describe the premise, 1168 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.480 which I think is one of the great things that 1169 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.360 this game does, among others. But this game begins with 1170 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.639 a open letter from your It doesn't matter, but like 1171 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.639 you're like golder grandpa who is dead and his last 1172 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.480 will and testament is that he has gnulled all of 1173 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.760 his other wills and he only now has one will 1174 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:41.800 and is that all of his money and all of 1175 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:47.880 his estate goes to you, his grandson. However, to get 1176 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:52.119 his estate, you have to uncover a secret room on 1177 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:56.079 his estate, and there's some rules that you have to 1178 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.320 follow to find this secret room. You know, it's so 1179 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:04.320 freak d about this game is that this story is 1180 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.079 a hook. Like that is so interesting to me. So 1181 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.840 immediately I was like, that's it on my grandson. I'm 1182 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.239 going to get my granddaddy's money, and I'm going to 1183 01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:13.400 start looking at these rooms. And you start at the 1184 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.840 base of the mansion. It's a huge, huge mansion, and 1185 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.880 you immediately go to the first doorway and there it is. 1186 01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:25.239 As you get to your doorways, you unlock three random 1187 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.199 blueprints of rooms. These rooms could be hallways, they could 1188 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.719 be closets, they could be kitchens. They each give you 1189 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:37.679 different bonuses and benefits. They are randomized and you get 1190 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.960 to pick one. And what's really interesting about this there's 1191 01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:43.480 so many interesting things about this game, but like, one 1192 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.639 of the things I really love about this is like mechanically, 1193 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:50.159 you have to be very cautious with how you are 1194 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.599 navigating this space because if you pick, for example, if 1195 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.199 you picked a closet, a bedroom in another closet, now 1196 01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.239 the game is over, you've lost because you don't have 1197 01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.599 any hallways, which means there's no more doors. The game 1198 01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.400 is over wild and you can have runs. These are 1199 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.599 this is the day based games. Some of the rules 1200 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.960 here are that you cannot spend the night, so you 1201 01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.440 go during the day and you go to these rooms. 1202 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.280 When you're out of rooms, when you're out of places 1203 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.800 that you can go, your day is over and you 1204 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.159 go to sleep, and when you wake up, the house 1205 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:25.719 resets and all the rooms you uncovered are gone, and 1206 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.800 you start back at the beginning of this mansion, opening 1207 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.199 doors and trying to navigate your way to the far 1208 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.559 back of the mansion, where this room is that you 1209 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:41.239 have to unlock and uncover to get your money. Where 1210 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.320 it really starts to get interesting, though, is that you 1211 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.239 need items in order to progress throughout this game. It's 1212 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:52.880 not just about making sure you hit hallways. Why would 1213 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.840 you ever choose a closet, you might ask, Well, the 1214 01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.039 closets might have items like keys, rubies, and money. So 1215 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.760 your three main components of currency that you need in 1216 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.440 different ways. The money will help you unlock items that 1217 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.679 are going to be very valuable for your journey. Things 1218 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.320 that you can buy are things like food, which I'll 1219 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:14.719 get into in a second. Oh, a metal detector, which 1220 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.760 will help you uncover more keys and money. I've found 1221 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:23.320 really valuable items. A magnifying glass. Oh, that one's so cool. 1222 01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:25.719 And so you have this magnifying glass, and as you're 1223 01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.440 like going into these bedrooms, maybe you'll see a letter 1224 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.599 and it'll be from like the grandpa's wife, and there's 1225 01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:34.360 going to be lore in there. And if you have 1226 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:38.159 the magnifying glass, maybe you'll find something you would not 1227 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.000 have found without that magnifying glass. That's going to be 1228 01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.400 very important in your journey. 1229 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:43.920 There is. 1230 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.840 So much lore in this game that is all done 1231 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:55.280 through environmental storytelling, and they do it exceptionally well. This 1232 01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:58.440 is the type of game that you will come across 1233 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.400 a bunk bed and it'll sell it to you in 1234 01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.519 the sense that it's like, hey, this counts as two rooms, 1235 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.880 which gives you more steps. I'll get into that in 1236 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.519 a second. And so you're like, great, I'll choose the 1237 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.519 bunk beds. And then you see that there's a book 1238 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.159 on the bunk bed and you open it and it's 1239 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.119 a diary of one of the boys, and you can 1240 01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:23.920 learn about these children and how they combat each other, 1241 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.480 you can learn about their personalities, and this all comes 1242 01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:30.079 into play on the wider picture of like what happened 1243 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:34.840 to this family. There is really interesting stuff that's happened 1244 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:39.599 to the like basically like the main landlord, like old 1245 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.280 guy who's like died now, his wife who was like 1246 01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.800 a writer, their children. There's a whole family tree of 1247 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.559 people that are like ins and outs that are like 1248 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.159 have a lot to say about like his title and 1249 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.719 his money and where it came from. The mom was 1250 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:56.079 a writer. There's like really interesting story there, and it's 1251 01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.679 all done through like finding pieces of paper, finding pieces 1252 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:03.679 of their past and connecting it together. Super interesting stuff. 1253 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.679 And it's all done passively through like finding pieces of writing. 1254 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.039 Here's like the last mechanic that I think is really 1255 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:13.679 important that there's a fourth currency that I consider a currency, 1256 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.000 which is your steps. The game works that you start 1257 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:20.280 ish with fifty steps. Every time you walk into a room, 1258 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.000 it costs you a step, costs you energy. Essentially, when 1259 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.719 you get to zero energy, you must end the day 1260 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.039 like it just stops your day, even if you just 1261 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.800 entered a really cool room. So you need to replenish 1262 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.559 your steps. You can do that in a couple of ways. 1263 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.800 One is certain rooms like bedrooms give you two steps back. 1264 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:40.880 Sometimes they'll give you four steps if it's a bunk bedroom, 1265 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.079 Like that's important. Food replenishes your steps, so you're constantly like, 1266 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.320 I got to open a kitchen so that I can 1267 01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.199 get some bananas in me and that I can have 1268 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.599 more steps to play with. The intricacies of these rooms 1269 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:58.000 are mechanically brilliant. There will be times where you will say, like, Okay, 1270 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:03.440 I've just unlocked a power room, and I'm going to 1271 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.440 turn the power off on a particular room because this 1272 01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.239 particular room actually costs me steps, but if I turn 1273 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.880 the power off in this room, it costs that there's 1274 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.159 now it doesn't cost me steps anymore, okay. And so 1275 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.800 you're combining particular rooms, same thing with the power. And 1276 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.559 there's a garage. There's a button in the garage to 1277 01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:25.880 open the garage door doesn't work because there's no power. 1278 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:27.280 But if you turn the power on, now, all of 1279 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:28.400 a sudden, you can open the garage. 1280 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:29.840 WHOA okay, okay. 1281 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:33.079 And so you start recognizing that there's a lot of 1282 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.360 patterns between the rooms that you're acquiring and you're choosing. 1283 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.159 This game is not about the perfect run that gets 1284 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:44.079 you to this end door, which is how I started. 1285 01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:46.039 I started this game being like I'm getting to that endoor. 1286 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:47.800 I'm getting this money, like I can't wait to find 1287 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:49.760 out about you know, get all that money and win. 1288 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:53.039 That is not what is happening anymore. Now. I am like, 1289 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.000 I have to know what happened to my niece. I 1290 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.599 have to know how this happened, and to uncover that, 1291 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.599 I need two halves of a broken lever, which means 1292 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.480 I need the combination rooms that I can combine those levers. 1293 01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.679 I also need to open the pool and the boiler 1294 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:14.239 room because there's a connection there. Once once you have 1295 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.639 the pool, you can actually turn on the boilers, which 1296 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:18.639 is going to probably give me some like extra lore 1297 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.280 or like some endgame shit. It is fascinating how intricate 1298 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:27.960 these rooms are. I think I'm on day seventeen or eighteen. 1299 01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.400 I don't think this is like a crazy thing to say, 1300 01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:34.679 but like Dan is in like the seventy. 1301 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.199 Seventy Yeah, WHOA, this game is deep? 1302 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.599 WHOA, this game is deep. I am probably on the 1303 01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:42.719 cusp of it. I think I'm very early in this game. 1304 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:46.000 I am so fucking hooked on how I combine these 1305 01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.599 games and these items and learn more about these characters. 1306 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:51.840 I mean, this is this is going to be a 1307 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.000 game we're going to talk about all year. 1308 01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:57.199 This is it? Okay, So yes, yeah, I'm trying to. 1309 01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.639 Yeah try TLDR what I said. 1310 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:02.760 There's I've been trying. 1311 01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:04.239 Is it like a is it like a. 1312 01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:11.639 Not procedural? But like, uh, what you're doing in these rooms? 1313 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.280 It's first person? Right, Yes, You're you're walking around looking 1314 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.639 around when you're in a room. Is it like are 1315 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.000 there like mist like puzzles that are going on? Are 1316 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:19.760 you pulling levers? 1317 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.440 And in some of them okay, and I think we're 1318 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.000 like yes, but not in all of them. 1319 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.039 Uh gone home, Yes. 1320 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.679 I would prepare the narrative storytelling to like gone Home 1321 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:35.599 or what's that other one with the house and it 1322 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.920 just yes, it has a lot of like what remains 1323 01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.800 of Edith Finch in regards to like the storytelling family. 1324 01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:47.519 I think that, But the the intricacies of connecting rooms 1325 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:52.239 and items that is very missed, and I've never seen 1326 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.199 a game do this before where it's connecting these components. 1327 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:57.920 There's also like this new innovative design that I've never 1328 01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.599 seen before, which is almost like some kind of weird 1329 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:03.360 deck build where I will sometimes choose a room even 1330 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.960 though that will not help me this run, because now 1331 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:07.559 I want to know what's in it and I need 1332 01:08:07.639 --> 01:08:09.960 to unlock it because it's going to be really important 1333 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:11.400 that I'm probably gonna be able to use it later. 1334 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:16.199 Oh, select a room to draft? Yes, are you an architect? 1335 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.960 Is that like the okay blueprints? 1336 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:19.359 Yeah? 1337 01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:19.600 Got it. 1338 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:22.479 Every time you go to a door, you get three 1339 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.960 blueprint drafts and again, so some of them are like hallways, 1340 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.119 some of them are rooms. Some of them are atriums. 1341 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:31.760 They all are color coded, which comes into play like 1342 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:38.239 it's very complicated. And originally my thought was like, well, 1343 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.279 I need a hallway that goes north so that I 1344 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.560 get to the end game. But now I'm I'm past 1345 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.800 that blood Like now it's all about like which room 1346 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.119 is going to help me progress what I'm currently trying 1347 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:54.840 to get after, And you can't run out of keys 1348 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.640 or rubies. The further north you go, the more likely 1349 01:08:57.760 --> 01:08:59.800 that the doors will be locked, which means they'll be like, hey, 1350 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.199 the key in order to progress. I've lost this game 1351 01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:04.199 by running out of keys. I've lost this game by 1352 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:07.359 running out of rubies. Certain rooms cost rubies in order 1353 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.840 to construct them. So if you run out of rubies 1354 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.760 and you get a hallway that costs nothing, and then 1355 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.920 two yeah, two rooms that cost rubies, and it's just like, oh, 1356 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:20.840 now I'm stuck. I needed these rubies in order to progress, 1357 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:25.680 so all of these these pieces. In my last few playthroughs, 1358 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:27.880 something else like really interesting happened, which is I had 1359 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:31.960 a metal detector and I had a magnifying glass, and 1360 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.640 I went into this room that allows you to combine items, 1361 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:37.760 and I thought, well, all combined my magnifying glass and 1362 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:41.880 my metal detector and I and it became a I 1363 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.600 want to say, it's like a laser gun or something 1364 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.680 like that. And I was like, what it's there's no enemies, 1365 01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:49.720 so it's not to damage. But they were like, oh, 1366 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:51.720 you can turn on lights with that. You can turn 1367 01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.319 you can you can use this to burn candles and 1368 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:57.840 turn on something. So like oh, I was like thinking, 1369 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:00.600 like when in this game have I been in a 1370 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.680 dark environment and there is a whole property and underneath 1371 01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.159 the area. When I was investigating earlier, I remember like 1372 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.760 going into a garage but you couldn't see anything because 1373 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.760 it's could pitch black in there, and it's like, shit, 1374 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:17.319 I have to make this fire like laser fire start 1375 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:19.800 or whatever and go down under this garage and turn 1376 01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:21.520 this on. I haven't done that yet, but that's like 1377 01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:23.520 something I really want to want to do next. So 1378 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.479 it's like there's endless combinations that you will be your 1379 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:29.359 your curiosity will be so peaked in this game. There's 1380 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:30.840 so many things that you get to do. I wish 1381 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.000 Dan was here. He's probably like chopping in the bit 1382 01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:35.000 to like jump in on this and like talk about it. 1383 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.279 It is so fascinating. The person who made it is 1384 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:42.079 like a fricking genius with how many all the intricacies 1385 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:44.640 of these rooms are really something to behold. I mean 1386 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.720 it is. It is incredible how much the designer thought 1387 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.319 about all the different components. Atriums are more likely to 1388 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:56.159 have dirt piles, so if you get a shovel, all 1389 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:57.479 of a sudden, now you can dig into all these 1390 01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.319 dirt piles and you can find like items through that. 1391 01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.439 So you can have like runs where you'll be like, oh, 1392 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.640 I got a shovel early Atrium run. You're just constantly 1393 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:07.880 making green spaces with lots of dirt piles. That's going 1394 01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.800 to give you lots of items and money that you 1395 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.000 get to spend. There's rooms where you can exchange your currency. 1396 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:17.119 It's called it's also very tongue in cheek. There's if 1397 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:19.479 you get a laundry room, you can launder your money. 1398 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.720 So in the laundry the washer is how you can 1399 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:26.760 exchange your coins for keys, or your rubies for you know, 1400 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.760 whatever you have an abundance of you can lose. But 1401 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:35.119 I find that every run you are rich in something 1402 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:37.680 and poor in another. I've had runs where I've had 1403 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:39.960 twelve rubies, and I'm like, I'm ruby rich, like come 1404 01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:42.880 for me, but I only have seven steps left, and 1405 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.600 I would sell all my rubies for a snacks that 1406 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.119 I could continue playing. But that's it. That's just the 1407 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.039 way it is on that run, and so you're just 1408 01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:54.399 constantly refreshing. My goal ultimately is just to make some 1409 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.199 kind of progression each life where I feel like I 1410 01:11:57.239 --> 01:11:59.319 can actually extend the life of my game. And there 1411 01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:01.920 are per and it upgrades in this game, but they're 1412 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:05.000 very difficult to get, so you have to work very 1413 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:08.199 hard to get these disks that will allow you to 1414 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:13.079 like permanently upgrade a room in the house or your character. Yeah, 1415 01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.159 one of them was I'm going to try not to 1416 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:18.319 give it away because I think some of it, like 1417 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.319 the exploration is so much fun and so discovering these 1418 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:26.079 things are huge joy. But uh, one of these things 1419 01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.279 that I opened over time, I finally got like power 1420 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.039 onto a very specific thing and I had to do 1421 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:35.520 this puzzle, a very mistlike puzzle to Drew's point of like, uh, 1422 01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.359 navigating these colored buttons, and I had to make them 1423 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.399 all a very particular color which you could only find 1424 01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:44.359 in a different room in a piece of paper that 1425 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.319 tells you that they all need to be a very 1426 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.680 particular color for a wall to open up. And if 1427 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.359 you do that, I have now unlocked that. Every time 1428 01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:54.319 I start the game, I start the game with two rubies, 1429 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:58.199 which is a blessing in that game because the currency 1430 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.039 is rare. But it was it took like a long time. 1431 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.119 You're an indion. You're going to need a gamer notebook. 1432 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.760 I take photos on my phone every time I come 1433 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:09.840 across something. I have come across music sheets. I think 1434 01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.159 I've come across eight pieces of music sheets with one 1435 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:14.600 bolded letter on each music sheet, and I am missing 1436 01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:16.880 a very important music sheet that will give me the 1437 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:19.279 final word that I need in order to complete a puzzle. 1438 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:22.920 There's also simple puzzles, there's math puzzles for people who 1439 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.800 are interested in that. There's like a fun area where 1440 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:29.960 to unlock keys. You have to solve some math puzzles. 1441 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:31.880 Oh and I have to tell I'll say, because this 1442 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:35.760 is something we always say on the show from Dewey Talkie. Yes, 1443 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:37.640 you have to like read in this game. But something 1444 01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.399 I'm so obsessed with about this game is that at 1445 01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:42.680 no point did it actually tell me how to do 1446 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.840 any of these puzzles. One of the times I was 1447 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:50.520 in I was in a billiard room and I was like, 1448 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:52.399 I don't understand how this works. And I would press 1449 01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:55.479 a button and it would go me. I press another 1450 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.000 button to go mate, and then I think about it 1451 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:00.119 a little bit and I press two buttons and it 1452 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.439 let me progress, and I went, Oh, my freaking god, 1453 01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:07.079 I know exactly what they're teaching me. And I learned 1454 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:09.520 the intricacies of this puzzle on my own without any 1455 01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:12.159 that anyone telling me what to do, and I figured 1456 01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:13.359 it out and it was like one of the most 1457 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.720 rewarding experiences I've ever had. I think four days later, 1458 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:18.600 I ended up going into a room that had a 1459 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.079 piece of paper on it that said, Hey, have you 1460 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:23.000 guys ever been in the billiard room? It's so crazy 1461 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.319 like XYZ and it explains the puzzle. So if you don't, 1462 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:31.000 if you can't solve it, there's hints everywhere, but I solved. 1463 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.239 You can solve shit on your own. You can just 1464 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.399 use your own noodle and figure it out. I freaking 1465 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:37.000 love this game. 1466 01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:39.760 Wow, I want to play it. It's out. 1467 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.399 What day is this episode? It's out on April tenth, 1468 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.159 so later this week. If you're listening to this episode 1469 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:48.199 new I want to I have not played. It sounds 1470 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.279 kind of like, oh shit, be very back. That might 1471 01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:51.720 be my pa. 1472 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:53.800 You might be irish. 1473 01:14:55.880 --> 01:14:57.600 If he doesn't answer in the next thirty seconds he 1474 01:14:57.640 --> 01:14:58.680 has to remain American. 1475 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:02.920 Yeah, this seems absolutely wild. I always love a game 1476 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:07.439 where when I try to think about how how someone 1477 01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:11.880 made this, my mind melts and it absolutely seems like 1478 01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:12.840 one of those games. 1479 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:19.479 Yeah, this on Oh still American? Yeah, what a loser. 1480 01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:26.680 Yeah, it sounds like like bolotro Haites kind of picked 1481 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.159 the next thing you're doing. Meets knives out what remains 1482 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:31.319 of Edith's bench. 1483 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:32.720 Meets yeah gone home. 1484 01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:34.520 Yeah, like a bit of miss in the Witness. 1485 01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:36.479 Yeah, sounds d. 1486 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:39.560 Yeah, it's a it's a it's a new genre. I've 1487 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:42.279 never seen a game like this ever. I think this 1488 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:46.520 is absolutely untapped, and it will peak your interest in 1489 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:49.439 terms of story, in terms of delivery, and then just 1490 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:53.840 mechanically you're gonna have a really good time just being like, 1491 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:57.000 what am I going to build? This run a really 1492 01:15:57.159 --> 01:16:00.439 fun fun game. And the fact that he's on seventy 1493 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:02.680 to me is like this has a longer end game 1494 01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:04.640 than what I have even recognized the fact that I 1495 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.319 am I'm so built, I'm so bought into this game. 1496 01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:10.079 But I'm only on like day eighteen. I thought maybe 1497 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.920 I would be beating it by like twenty five or thirty. 1498 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:17.000 I'm I've like started to recognize with myself this is 1499 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.000 this is a very deep game, and there's going to 1500 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:22.039 be so much to uncover. I can't wait. 1501 01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:24.920 Is there like an end of run recap that shows 1502 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:25.760 you the house you built? 1503 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.479 Okay, that's also cool. There's a lot hoping every time 1504 01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.399 you asked you a question, I'm like, You're gonna fucking 1505 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:33.279 love this answer. 1506 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:36.560 I think Amanda is going to want to play this 1507 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:37.199 as well. 1508 01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:42.359 When your run is over. It also even creates a 1509 01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:44.600 house based on the rooms that you ended up picking, 1510 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.119 and it gives you this isn't to like be bad 1511 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:49.960 or good, but it'll be like, oh, this is a 1512 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:52.520 cottage because you only unlocked five rooms before you ad 1513 01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:56.720 you lost, whereas when you have unlocked twenty eight rooms, 1514 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.399 it's like, oh, this is a manner, and if you 1515 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:06.000 open more red rooms then that will change the name 1516 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:09.840 of the house that you've built because of the pieces 1517 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:15.800 that you've selected. It also tracks everything in this game, 1518 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.000 and there is a library room and if you go 1519 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:20.800 to the library, it'll be like did you know that 1520 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.840 you're least likely to pick this type of blueprint and 1521 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.840 that this is your favorite item? And it tracks every 1522 01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:31.560 stat and it's really exciting to go, uh dieget every 1523 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.199 I mean almost like psychotic where it's like, no, it 1524 01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:36.960 knows how many steps I've taken. It knows everything. I 1525 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:39.640 mean every decision that I've made. This game has tracked, 1526 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:42.920 which is it's fun. I mean, it's really fun to 1527 01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:45.680 review and think about, like psychologically, like, oh, I've really 1528 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.039 avoided this very particular type of area. I wonder why 1529 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:53.199 that is. Yeah, it's it's sick you guys. 1530 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.439 I want to try it out. I'm looking forward to. 1531 01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.079 I'm sure Dan will talk about it in next episode 1532 01:17:57.119 --> 01:17:57.800 he's back as well. 1533 01:17:58.199 --> 01:17:59.760 I think so too. I think he will have a 1534 01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:02.000 lot to say about it, more than me because he's 1535 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:03.600 the one who's been playing it longer than me. 1536 01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:07.039 But I mean it's I'm also a game elements, so 1537 01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:08.920 I could see Dan getting hooked on something like that. 1538 01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:10.079 That's not what happened before. 1539 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:12.840 It has it has a lot. This is why I 1540 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:14.640 was like talking about the talky Dewey is like I 1541 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.199 was a little worried. It has a lot of letters, 1542 01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:20.319 but because I think it's very Edith Finch in its delivery, 1543 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:23.920 which is just like you you see the picture of 1544 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.720 the character before you read the news article about what 1545 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:30.600 happened to them. Now I'm like in h and there's 1546 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.960 really interesting lore of what happened to this family. And 1547 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:37.119 that's why I'm like willing to read that like three 1548 01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:43.479 paragraph news article, which also will absolutely come into play 1549 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.439 on one of the later puzzles. And so I'm just 1550 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:48.840 taking I take photos of everything in this game because 1551 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.600 it all ends up, it ends up benefiting you if 1552 01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:53.920 you have all of this stuff. 1553 01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:56.600 Sounds sick. I'm looking forward to playing this a lot. 1554 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:57.880 Sounds very at my ali as well. 1555 01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:59.800 Yeah, you guys are gonna love it. 1556 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:04.520 Drew, You've been playing something called Utopia Must Fall. 1557 01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:05.239 Must Yes. 1558 01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.319 This is another early access game, currently on sale on 1559 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:17.119 Steam for seven dollars. It is it's like a it's 1560 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:21.079 like a like a a New Veau arcade game. So 1561 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:26.399 asteroids or not asteroids. If enders it's missile command, mistle command, 1562 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:30.000 thank you, but you have one missile base and it 1563 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:33.000 is on auto fire, and then you can also click 1564 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.720 a button to launch a nuke. And then the enemies 1565 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:38.640 coming down are more like Gallagh or Space in videos, 1566 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.119 or even like Geometry Wars. Right, they all have very 1567 01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:48.439 distinct looks and in behaviors. But everything looks like it 1568 01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:53.199 looks like remember that game def Con. Yeah, it's like 1569 01:19:53.439 --> 01:20:00.880 very stark, single single colors to everything. Actually, I think 1570 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.840 the developer calls their engine a vector engine, so it 1571 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:09.920 looks like a color vector game. But yeah, it's it's uh, 1572 01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:15.920 it's I guess it's got like roguelike stuff between stages 1573 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:20.119 you can depending on how well you did upgrade your base, Like, Mary, 1574 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.920 is that me? What's going on? 1575 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:25.319 Oh? 1576 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:26.960 I don't hear anything? That was my steam? 1577 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.239 Sorry, I was looking at the AutoPlay a trailer. I 1578 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:31.680 guess it's so funny. 1579 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:35.039 There's like this iconic I was like, what did I do? 1580 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:38.880 There's this like iconic Simpsons episode where Lenny and Carl 1581 01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:42.880 are going up a mountain and Lenny goes, Carl, did 1582 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:45.000 you hear something in? Carl goes no, and Lenny goes 1583 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.079 did I? And Carl's like, I don't know? 1584 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:49.960 You idiots? 1585 01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:51.920 Like it's like attacking me. 1586 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:54.600 The trailer just started playing on Steam when I opened 1587 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:54.880 it up. 1588 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:56.560 That's your fault, I know. 1589 01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:59.159 That's what's fun about blaming you. 1590 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:07.800 Though it's beautiful rainbow game. It does have a stark 1591 01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:10.840 literal colors, like every if it's like a certain laser, 1592 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.760 it's red. If it's like a certain thing attacking you, 1593 01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:14.680 it's bright green. 1594 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:21.920 So very like a yeah, a vector game, and yeah, 1595 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:25.439 it's fun. It's a it's a you know, fairly simple, 1596 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:28.159 but like I'm really impressed with the way that they 1597 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:31.159 have taken something that looks like it had existed in 1598 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:34.319 the eighties but updated it to be, you know, something 1599 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:35.760 that like I want to do a bunch of runs 1600 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:40.920 with because you know, between each level can change depending 1601 01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:44.000 on you know, the role that you get of the 1602 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.159 options that you can choose. So I think it's a 1603 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:51.600 pretty small team. It would be great on steam Deck, 1604 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.159 but I don't think the steam Deck. It says it's 1605 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:58.720 verified on their page, but I tried it and last 1606 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.760 time I did then did not seem to work perfectly well. 1607 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:08.000 But on PC it's it's really cool, so seven bucks. 1608 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:10.439 It is a early access though, is there an endgame 1609 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.000 or does it just go go go forever. 1610 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.359 I don't know, I've never gotten that far. Yea. But 1611 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.039 another game like The Forever Winter that just like is 1612 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:23.039 seeping with vibes like I really enjoy the a lot. 1613 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:25.960 Like def Con, it has this sort of like just 1614 01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:31.000 kind of grim like you'll never actually defeat the waves. 1615 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:33.199 You're just trying to survive as long as possible and 1616 01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:37.039 you know, oh, twelve million people died in your city 1617 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:42.199 just last round. Sorry does it say that? It's got 1618 01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.479 some like I can't remember any of the actual phrasing, 1619 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:49.600 but it's got some like flippant yeah lines in it 1620 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:51.520 and stuff. It's cool. I really, I really like the 1621 01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.840 the presentation cool. Oh yeah, when you die, it doesn't 1622 01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:03.279 say you know, defeat or anything. It says accept Yeah, yeah, 1623 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:04.319 deal with it. 1624 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:09.439 All the babies are dead. Rough, But I love that 1625 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:11.319 it knows what it is and I think like you 1626 01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:13.039 can tell that this game is like going for a 1627 01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:17.399 very specific thing and is committed to it. Also a 1628 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:19.680 good price point. Did you buy this in a sale? 1629 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:20.199 Did you say? 1630 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:20.680 Or did you? 1631 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:22.039 Did you? Uh? 1632 01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:24.720 No, I misspoke. It's not actually on sale. It is 1633 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:25.479 just seven dollars. 1634 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.039 Okay, yeah that was a good price. 1635 01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.640 Yep. Mary, what is Lookoutside? 1636 01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:31.520 Uh? 1637 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:37.800 Lookoutside is I'm like, what is the genre of this game? 1638 01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:39.199 It is a. 1639 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:48.399 I'm really struggling to describe it. RPG survival horror. It's scary, okay, 1640 01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:51.600 it's like a horror game. I streamed this and it 1641 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.079 was a very funny game to stream. I recommend it 1642 01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:55.960 as a stream game because the very first thing I 1643 01:23:56.039 --> 01:23:58.279 did was I, uh, you know, you go to the 1644 01:23:58.359 --> 01:24:00.840 window and I had the optional lookout side and I 1645 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:06.760 looked outside and I died. I died immediately, and so 1646 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:10.439 I started the game again. It turns out that looking 1647 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:14.439 outside causes you to either die or mutate into some 1648 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:18.039 kind of like horrible monster. The premise of this game 1649 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:22.680 is you are waking up in your apartment and you 1650 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:25.840 have to live. I think the game says this, like 1651 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.640 very bluntly, you need to survive for fifteen days. Time 1652 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.760 goes extremely slow in this game, and so while you 1653 01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:36.720 do have stuff in your house, In fact, I brushed 1654 01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:39.399 my teeth, I showered all these things, and they all 1655 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.319 changed my stats of like morale and cleanliness and stuff 1656 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:44.640 like that. And then I was like, well, now what 1657 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.560 do I do? And so I did a crossword puzzle 1658 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.800 for two hours, but my braw went down because it's 1659 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:53.159 so boring, and I played a video game and then 1660 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:55.720 I ate some food and then I was like, well, 1661 01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:57.680 at some point I have to fucking leave, I think, right, 1662 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.199 And so I left my apartment and there there's this 1663 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:04.079 huge trail of blood outside of my house, and so 1664 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:07.439 I follow the trail, of course, and I stumble across 1665 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.520 a zombie that's like eating somebody, and I pick up 1666 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.359 a baseball bat and I ended up killing them, and 1667 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.039 all of these things that I'm doing are passing time, 1668 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:21.399 but it passed. I think I woke up at six am, 1669 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:25.119 and by the time I killed my first zombie after eating, showering, 1670 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:28.359 you know, video games, all that stuff, and killing someone, 1671 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.520 it was nine to fifteen. And so it's like you 1672 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.960 have to keep going, you have to keep looking. Time 1673 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.079 progresses mostly when you walk into a new space. So 1674 01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:40.159 the game is encouraging you to walk into a new 1675 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.800 space and discover what's going on in this crazy post 1676 01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:48.239 apocalyptic world. You do have a life meter, you have stamina. 1677 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:53.479 Killing somebody, you can take damage, and so I needed 1678 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:57.159 to eat to replenish my health and my stamina. Having 1679 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.239 more stamina means I can do like a better attack 1680 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:01.920 with my baseball that or my knife or whatever. Items 1681 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:07.640 you can get hats and shirts and shoes and necklaces 1682 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:11.399 that all increase characters, stats and traits. The saving is 1683 01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:14.000 what's interesting in this game. So just like an old 1684 01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:17.359 school game, there's only one way to save, and it's 1685 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:21.520 a hole in the wall with your neighbor's eyeball looking 1686 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:24.960 at you. She's like looking at you through the through 1687 01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.880 the wall, and so when you walk at Wilson Home, 1688 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.399 pro yes, it's exactly the same. And so I go 1689 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:34.199 up to the eyeball and she's like, what have you been? 1690 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:36.680 What have you seen out there? And it lets me save, 1691 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:39.840 and that's like my save. Once I do that, she 1692 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:41.960 goes away because she's already heard what I've been up 1693 01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:44.640 to recently, and so I cannot save again. I have 1694 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:46.560 to go out into the world and I have to 1695 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.560 go into a bunch of different rooms and find stuff 1696 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.520 and sometimes die. And that did happen to me. I 1697 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:56.000 lost my save multiple times by like dying. Each room 1698 01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:58.520 you open, there's like a progress bar on the bottom 1699 01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:00.439 of the screen that appears, and if it gets to 1700 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.039 the save file, then you can go back to the 1701 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:05.560 lady and tell her that you've what you've seen and 1702 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:10.800 save again, so it makes you go into the unknown spaces. 1703 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:16.039 I love weird save systems too. Yeah, it was annoying. 1704 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.000 I lost my save I want to say, like four 1705 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.319 or five times, and it is grading. But it's so 1706 01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:26.800 interesting how it makes me go into uncomfortable situations. There 1707 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:28.119 were rooms where I was like, I don't want to 1708 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.840 go in there, but I haven't hit my save yet, 1709 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.560 so I have to, and so it forces me to 1710 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:37.479 go into scary situations. I also think that this game 1711 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:42.520 is quite well written. I did go into a space 1712 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:46.640 where I met a painter and he said, something's wrong. 1713 01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:49.199 I've been painting and I think the paintings are coming life. 1714 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.359 I actually think they're trying to be me, and I 1715 01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:53.319 need you to like help. You got to kill all 1716 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:55.720 these other guys they say they're me, but I am 1717 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.720 the only friend and I need you to help me. 1718 01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:00.279 And he's like, I think one's in the first and 1719 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.600 you're like, Okay, that's weird. I go to the fridge. 1720 01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:05.680 I open the fridge and there is like this grotesque 1721 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:09.079 monster with like the melted off face of Fred. And 1722 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:12.760 he's like, you gotta help me. I'm Fred, this other 1723 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.279 guy that you've been talking to, fake Fred, I'm the 1724 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.359 real Fred. You have to kill him. You have to 1725 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:18.800 kill him for me right now. And so now you're 1726 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:23.319 making a decision. Do you kill Fridge Fred, do you 1727 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.560 kill painter Fred who claims he's the original Fred? Do 1728 01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:28.239 you kill none of them? And just like let them 1729 01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:31.520 sort it out. But originally, like the guy was like, 1730 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:33.479 I'm the real Fred. You gotta believe me. And I 1731 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:35.560 was like, well, you do have a bug body, and 1732 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.680 he's like, ah, you got me, all right, I'm not 1733 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.600 a real friend. It's very cheap and funny. As you 1734 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.000 continue to progress in this and this is just one area, 1735 01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.199 but as you continue to progress in this one area, 1736 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.960 I met like six different Freds, all like absolutely fucked up, 1737 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:54.520 like completely incredible art design of how they have like 1738 01:28:54.760 --> 01:28:57.800 made these mutated Freds that have apparently like jumped off 1739 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.239 the canvas. My goal is to get a very dark 1740 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:04.159 painting that Fred said is like super bad and evil, 1741 01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.800 and I have to get it. But every time I 1742 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.560 go down this path, I've died because like something kills 1743 01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:13.920 me in this space. But it's it's scary, it's interesting, 1744 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:17.560 I mean, it's absolutely piqued my interest. It's I do 1745 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.039 I will say, like, I am blown away by the 1746 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:24.319 effort that they have put into all of the components 1747 01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:27.199 of this game to make it feel so real. I 1748 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.840 mean down to like, you know, I showering and like 1749 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:33.399 cleaning myself with a bar of soap that I found 1750 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:37.319 in Fred's bathroom, which increases my morale, which helps me 1751 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:39.520 have a better swing of my bat the next time 1752 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:43.560 I like come across some kind of grotesque creature. I 1753 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:48.039 think it's I think it's a triumph of this of 1754 01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.279 this team to be able to make something so intricate, 1755 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:53.680 But it takes a big stomach because it is gross 1756 01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:57.159 and it is scary and it is intense, and I 1757 01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:00.279 also just think it's very hard. I lost save so 1758 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:00.760 many times. 1759 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:03.159 Yeah, I love the look of it. It looks like 1760 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:04.720 a second Genesis game. 1761 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:10.159 Mm hmm, sounds rads a lot of stut catch up. 1762 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:12.439 On this one's neat. Yeah. I think this one is 1763 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:17.399 a fascinating I am afraid this is a sleeper. I 1764 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:19.439 feel like people aren't gonna try this because it's so 1765 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.079 weird and it's probably hard to stomach. But I have 1766 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.159 to say like, I really encourage people, if you like 1767 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:29.800 scary games or if you're interested in this type of thing, 1768 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.039 I really encourage you to play this and and give 1769 01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:36.560 it a whirl. It's it's it's quite it's quite good. 1770 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:41.560 Cool. And the last thing, Drew you wrote Halo master 1771 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:43.760 Chief Collection E three. 1772 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:48.399 Yes, So what are all these letters? 1773 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:57.279 Like? Every male who was in high school in the 1774 01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:01.239 early two thousands, I love you still of Halo. Yeah, 1775 01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:08.439 And I distinctly remember my buddy Mike had fast internet 1776 01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:12.680 and so he downloaded this video from IGN and burned 1777 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.399 it to a CD for me, which is a very 1778 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:20.279 bold phrase. It's also league and no, no, no, it 1779 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:23.399 was it was a game trailer or I guess a 1780 01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:28.000 video of the Halo two presentation at E three two 1781 01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:29.079 thousand and three. 1782 01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:34.520 It was Halo on, Halo two, Halo one disc. I 1783 01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:36.840 believe there was a certain version of Halo on that 1784 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:39.760 had it. If this is the same thing I'm thinking of, 1785 01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:40.840 I think you might. 1786 01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:44.479 Be thinking of the what Halo was like the Halo 1787 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.840 one demo before it was a first person shooter. 1788 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:50.640 I'm thinking the thing there was a preview of Halo 1789 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:52.760 two of a mission that was never actually made it 1790 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.880 into Halo two and it was different. I played all 1791 01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:56.640 of Halo two wondering when it was going to happen. 1792 01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:57.640 But interesting. 1793 01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:01.159 Okay, so this is when when Halo two was first 1794 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:05.960 shown at E three, and like, people should go look 1795 01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:09.439 up a video because I frequently, well I not frequently, 1796 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:15.199 sometimes return to this video because of the goosebumps that 1797 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:17.439 it still gives me because it was the first time 1798 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.479 anyone had ever seen Halo two, and it is a 1799 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.600 bespoke demo level that they made just for E three, 1800 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:27.600 that's what they're saying. There's a moment in there, and 1801 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.840 the best version of this video is the one that 1802 01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:34.239 has the crowd reaction because no one knew anything about 1803 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.680 Halo two. And then there's a part in it where 1804 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.960 master Chief like someone hands him a second submachine gun. 1805 01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:44.600 Yeah you're and then suddenly he's dual wielding them. And 1806 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.199 if you find the video with the audience reaction, they 1807 01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:50.840 just lose their minds. And that's the part that gives 1808 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:54.319 me chills because again, as like high school era, drew 1809 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:56.319 watching this video that I got from my buddy on 1810 01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:00.680 a burn CD. It it yeah, was mind blowing, and 1811 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:02.680 I just I don't know I just think back to, 1812 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:06.000 you know, the leaps that we were making back then. 1813 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:08.039 Like I'm sure you guys have memories of the first 1814 01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:13.800 time you saw like polygonal graphics, right second weapon in 1815 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:17.880 Halo was up there with me for me in one 1816 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:24.920 of those moments. Anyway, you can now play that level 1817 01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:28.079 on the PC version of the Master Chief Collection. 1818 01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:28.920 What the fuck? 1819 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:31.479 Yeah, So if you have the if you own Master 1820 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.840 Chief Collection on Steam, if you got to Steam Workshop, 1821 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.359 there's a mod team that basically worked with Bungee or 1822 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:40.960 I guess three or four three industries at this point 1823 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:45.239 to take like they they I think they like copied 1824 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.239 files from old Bungee dev like Xbox dev kits, and 1825 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:52.399 then recompiled this thing because you know E three demos 1826 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:55.039 are always smoking mirrors and like barely held together and 1827 01:33:55.159 --> 01:34:00.439 highly scripted. But they basically made a playable version of this, uh, 1828 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:03.319 and it's it's free if you own the Master Reief Collection, 1829 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:06.720 which is frequently on sale. And I played through this 1830 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:09.119 this E three demo recently and it just brought the 1831 01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:11.600 biggest smile to my face. It is like it's a 1832 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:15.159 pretty janky level, like if you deviate from the path 1833 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.880 at all, it just breaks or it doesn't crash, but 1834 01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:22.079 you know, there's just there's nothing over there. But yeah, 1835 01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:25.319 I picked up the sub second submachine gun and jumped 1836 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:28.800 on the ghost and yeah, it's just uh, I got 1837 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:29.319 try that. 1838 01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:34.239 I remember I watched that so much. Yeah, I what 1839 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.960 a some version of Halo that I bought or some 1840 01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:40.319 like maybe my Xbox came with it that was on 1841 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:43.760 a DVD or something that came with something I bought. 1842 01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:47.399 And I remember finally playing Halo two, and I love 1843 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:50.960 that game. I still do. But I remember playing through 1844 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.640 Outskirts the mission and thinking that it was going to 1845 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:56.079 be that. I didn't understand that they made they crafted 1846 01:34:56.159 --> 01:35:00.159 that demo solely for E three. I was like, this 1847 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:01.960 isn't okay. Maybe it's the next mission. And then I 1848 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:03.880 kept playing and I was like, we've left Earth. I 1849 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:05.399 don't know when that's going to happen. I didn't know 1850 01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:08.119 that it was, you know, like a bespoke thing. So 1851 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:10.359 that's really cool that it exists. You know, I don't 1852 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:12.159 know even if it's janky. I want to load that up. 1853 01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:18.279 Yeah that sounds aweso coool. Yeah, uh, do you guys 1854 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:19.199 want to do emails? 1855 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:20.560 Sure, let's do it. 1856 01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:25.680 Okay, Welcome back. As always, you can run into firescape 1857 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:28.039 cast at gmail dot com for questions you want read 1858 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:30.880 on the show or, in the case of one particular 1859 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.399 email today, something that might be exonerating one of our 1860 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.800 cast members. Although I don't agree with the email, we'll 1861 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:40.000 get to it. That's firescape cast at gmail dot com. Mary, 1862 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:41.479 I usually toss to you for the first one, but 1863 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.800 I think it makes more sense if someone else reads 1864 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.800 it because it's a reference to episode one hundred. We 1865 01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:50.479 decided the top sixty four games of all time. Yes, Mary, 1866 01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:53.399 you you said something that didn't you that It turned 1867 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:55.520 my head as well, not just stands. 1868 01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:58.920 The top sixty four games or the top Nintendo sixty 1869 01:35:58.960 --> 01:35:59.720 four games, top. 1870 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:02.600 Sorry, top sixty four games on any platform of all time. 1871 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:05.159 It just sixty four made sense for the tournament bracket. 1872 01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:07.880 We did a bracket. Yeah, so it was weird where 1873 01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.600 like that that would sound like that until you asked, 1874 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:11.319 because yeah. 1875 01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:14.960 That's why he's here. The idea was, yeah, it's one 1876 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:17.960 v ones in a bracket style tournament to determine the 1877 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:20.239 best game of all time to us. And the way 1878 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:24.920 I did it was I asked Dan and Mike and 1879 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:27.760 myself to write your top twenty, and any game that 1880 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.439 was in your top fifteen automatically made it, so that 1881 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:33.000 was our forty five. Even if I didn't agree, right, 1882 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:34.640 even if I was like, there's no reason that you 1883 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:37.079 need to have eight Metal Gears, but all Metal Gears 1884 01:36:37.159 --> 01:36:39.119 were in Dan's top fifteen, so they were all in 1885 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:45.000 our bracket list ye, and all Marios. And then to 1886 01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:48.279 fill out the rest of the sixty four, I picked 1887 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:51.399 like really popular beloved games that just should be in 1888 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.000 this list, like Tetris, and that's that's how the bracket 1889 01:36:56.079 --> 01:37:00.319 was constructed. So there was some debate because sometimes. 1890 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:03.760 Well, specifically, what this email is referencing is when Mary, 1891 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.520 you told Dan and I that you think Diablo two 1892 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.399 historically in the context of video games, is more important 1893 01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:15.039 than Mario sixty four. That was rheads. I still think 1894 01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:20.600 that's asinine, but I stand someone agreed with you. Our 1895 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:25.159 friend Darien from Toronto wrote in and say, dearest, Scarpers 1896 01:37:25.279 --> 01:37:28.159 Quake came out the day before Mario sixty four. Games 1897 01:37:28.159 --> 01:37:30.319 would have figured out three D without the fat Plumber. 1898 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.920 What's sixty four his legacy? More marios and three D 1899 01:37:32.960 --> 01:37:37.840 platformers become a niche genre for dinosaurs. Meanwhile, Diablo has 1900 01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:41.439 infected every game of every genre with this randomly generated loot, 1901 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:44.520 skill trees, and repeatable, endless gameplay. As Leon Trotsky once said, 1902 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:47.760 Mario sixty four belongs to the dustbin of history. Lots 1903 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:50.319 of love. Darien from Toronto Bonus points if Dan knows 1904 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:56.520 who Leon Trotzky is. So I still disagree, but these 1905 01:37:56.720 --> 01:37:59.159 valid points there. Mario sixty four wasn't the only thing 1906 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:03.359 doing three D at the time. Okerina of Time was 1907 01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:06.159 doing this thing. It was after But yeah, and true, 1908 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:07.800 you know, I didn't think of it in the context 1909 01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:11.640 of we really are chasing after loot and armor and 1910 01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:15.760 numbers go up in many, many in every genre today. 1911 01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:16.760 So it was there. 1912 01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:20.720 It was iconic, and I don't think to Darien's point, 1913 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:23.680 I actually don't think I articulated this very well. I knew, 1914 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:26.119 here's what this is something that happens every once in 1915 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:27.840 a while when we have an argument. But if we 1916 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.520 have an argument and I've kind of know from the 1917 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.479 beginning that I'm going to lose, I panic and then 1918 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:34.640 I just start insulting you. 1919 01:38:35.239 --> 01:38:37.960 And oh, yeah, you're saying this, Like I don't I 1920 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:40.159 forgot I forgot. 1921 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:43.720 To make really good salient points about why Diablo genuinely 1922 01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:48.560 is extremely innovative. But as Darien is saying, like the 1923 01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:53.520 systems that it constructed are now staples in every video game, 1924 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:56.520 for better or for worse, till the dawn of time, 1925 01:38:56.680 --> 01:38:59.199 everybody is doing this. I also think this was like 1926 01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:03.920 before a lot of stories of games had incredible carryover 1927 01:39:04.039 --> 01:39:06.680 from one to two, to three to four, and Diablo 1928 01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:09.800 two was one of the most like iconic, insane, mind 1929 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:12.520 blowing endings of any game of all time and is 1930 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:14.840 so fucking good. And so I just think like there 1931 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.800 was these monumental things that Diablo did ahead of its 1932 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:21.520 time that everybody was like, write that down, write that down, 1933 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:23.560 and now we all do it. And that's why I 1934 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:26.920 feel like it It really was a contender, but it's 1935 01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:28.880 not Mario, so like it didn't win. 1936 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:33.520 Okay, Yeah, you're saying. 1937 01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:36.199 Look up, I don't need guess, I don't need you 1938 01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.560 to play kate me and tell me that it was right, Darien, 1939 01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:39.439 and I know it's right. 1940 01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:43.359 Speaking of mind blowing endings, we talked about it ignoring 1941 01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:44.239 me last week. 1942 01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:47.199 He's moving on. He's just pushing past what I said. 1943 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.119 No, we just you got your point across. You made 1944 01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:51.800 good points, and I meant that. We talked about m 1945 01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:52.439 night Shyamalan. 1946 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.239 Last episode, Mike, you said that the Happening was like 1947 01:39:55.319 --> 01:39:59.960 a fun movie speaking of we're speaking of respectful. 1948 01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:04.960 No, did you just say moments I started that. 1949 01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:09.039 Movie is bad? Movie is not good at all? 1950 01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:12.720 Movie here with Zoey Deschanel. 1951 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:18.760 Yeah, deemable, Oh my god, I know what you're saying, 1952 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:20.800 but I never saw the village. 1953 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:24.640 You're changing the point. 1954 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:29.560 I talked to myself into a hole where I'm like, 1955 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:31.319 oh fuck, I really like I'm not Shyamalan. 1956 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:37.920 Last episode, beloved Shamalan lover Mike Mahardy. 1957 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:39.680 Thought wrong not to swing. 1958 01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:42.800 No one brought up Unbreakable. 1959 01:40:43.159 --> 01:40:45.079 I like Unbreakable quite a bit as well. 1960 01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:45.960 Unbreakable is good. 1961 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:49.399 Unbreakable was the peak that was like it, and then 1962 01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:50.399 it was all downhill after that. 1963 01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:53.319 I think, so, uh, this one, we could probably omit 1964 01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:56.399 this ps here. That's a fun anecdote, but just in 1965 01:40:56.439 --> 01:40:59.439 the interest of not reading a novel, you know who loves. 1966 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:04.680 Lady in the Water former Giant bomb designer Dave Snyder. 1967 01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:06.520 Lady in the Water. 1968 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:10.239 Yeah, that is if that would be the The Happening 1969 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:11.760 or that would be the hardest for me to argue. 1970 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:14.279 It'd good. I think that I really really enjoy The 1971 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:18.000 Village despite the dumb twist. But like the first time 1972 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:21.359 I saw that movie, I shit my pants, like and 1973 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.079 I know everybody else did, so stop trying to act 1974 01:41:24.159 --> 01:41:28.479 like you didn't. Adrian Brodie's performance was questionable in hindsight. 1975 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:32.760 But yeah, so let's read this. Mary. You want to 1976 01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:37.319 take this one from Eric, and again you can probably 1977 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:38.840 omit the ps just because it's longer. 1978 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:42.159 Sure, sure here, Hey Gang, your talk. 1979 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:45.439 About the yeahs? 1980 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:49.039 Oh did you okay? Your talk about m Night Shamalan 1981 01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:51.760 last week got me excited. I love m Night Shamalan. 1982 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:53.760 I find all of his late stage movies to be 1983 01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:56.399 pad in the best way possible. He kind of plays 1984 01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:58.920 a game of if this, then what In a lot 1985 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:01.880 of his movies. Movies Split Old, The Visit and Trap 1986 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:04.920 are enjoyable movies to watch once you realize he can't 1987 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:07.159 write dialogue and maybe he has never spoken to a 1988 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:12.840 person or a child. When he made The Happening, he 1989 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:16.000 said he was trying to make a high budget B movie, 1990 01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:18.199 And if you watch all of his more recent films 1991 01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:22.000 that lends it's enjoyable. So to that point, who is 1992 01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:25.000 your favorite mid director? A mid director is a person 1993 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:29.119 who's arguably has great films like The Sixth Sense or Unbreakable, 1994 01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.920 but also has a lot of trash and a lot 1995 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:35.439 of cases you enjoyed both, my boy minaj Oh, I'm 1996 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.279 not gonna say this, right, M Night Shyamalan is mine? 1997 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:38.920 Who is yours? 1998 01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:43.680 If M Night Shyamalan is the measure of a mid director? 1999 01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:46.880 I think my other favorite mid directors are probably Francis Ford. 2000 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:53.760 Coppola has done some great stuff. No, the person that 2001 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:59.239 came to mind for this is probably someone like not 2002 01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:04.199 Paul Thomas Anderson, the Paul W. S. Anderson did Event 2003 01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:07.079 Horizon stuff like that. What else did he do that? 2004 01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:10.680 I gotta look at the Resident movies, Yes, Like I 2005 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:12.960 love that ship Like that's I like when people are 2006 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:14.079 doing B movie stuff like that. 2007 01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:17.039 What the hell do you? 2008 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:17.800 That was you? 2009 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:18.279 Right? 2010 01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:19.000 Did you guys? 2011 01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:19.319 Hear that? 2012 01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:20.880 Everybody heard that? 2013 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:25.760 That was definitely a fighter jet? 2014 01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:28.439 Is your ride here to pick you up? 2015 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:30.199 Uh? 2016 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:34.000 It is not fleet weeek Fleet weeek is later. So 2017 01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:36.199 I don't know why there is a fighter jet flying 2018 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:38.880 over that's uh slightly distressed. 2019 01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:43.119 CNN for a second and just double check. Yeah, I 2020 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:44.640 think Paul W. S Anderson is. 2021 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:48.600 That's a good one is up there, but like there's 2022 01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:52.000 problems and Paul W. 2023 01:43:52.279 --> 01:44:00.800 S Anderson not the is my favorite director period and incredible, 2024 01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:03.720 but and I can't fucking wait for one battle after another. 2025 01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:08.239 His upcoming movie with Leo DiCaprio, based on Vineland by 2026 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:11.920 Thomas Pinchin so many of my douchey interests. 2027 01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:13.920 No, Paul W. 2028 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:15.520 S Anderson very very different. 2029 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:22.439 I think mine is. See this is this is hard 2030 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:27.600 because like imagine to be offensive to some people, you know, 2031 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:29.640 like I can't believe you'd call him a mid director, 2032 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.800 but like, please know that I say this with love. 2033 01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:43.600 Paul Verhoven. I love RoboCop, Total Recall Starship Troopers. I've 2034 01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:50.960 not seen show Girls. I've heard that it like horrific 2035 01:44:51.239 --> 01:44:55.760 reviews but also is well loved by Verhoven fans. I've 2036 01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:58.920 also heard his most recent film, Benedetta is is pretty good. 2037 01:44:59.000 --> 01:44:59.880 So it's a good. 2038 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:02.640 That's that's a director who I have not watched his 2039 01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:04.279 entire filmography, but I would. 2040 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:06.960 Yeah, I'm married. Do you have anyone that comes to 2041 01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:08.560 mind because I just thought of someone else. 2042 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.399 I mean, I don't know if this counts, but I 2043 01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:15.159 think actually Sophia Coppola might be like mid and I 2044 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.560 hope that is also not offensive. I think that there 2045 01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:22.399 are films and Lost in Translation is like so iconic 2046 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:23.920 and like so important to me, and I think it 2047 01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:25.800 was like a beautifully made film, and then they've also 2048 01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:28.039 made like The Big Guiled and like stuff that I 2049 01:45:28.279 --> 01:45:29.199 don't care for and like. 2050 01:45:29.319 --> 01:45:30.840 Didn't you like Marie Antoinette. 2051 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.039 It's okay. I just think there's like a lot of 2052 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:36.640 back and forth with me on Sofia Coppola, But I 2053 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:40.800 do like their ability to like navigate characters, and I 2054 01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:42.600 don't know, I think there's I think there's really good 2055 01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.159 meat there. But I also have like watched UF and 2056 01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.479 be like where are they? Where were they on this? 2057 01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:48.760 Like what was the point of this? 2058 01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:53.279 I don't know. I've my wife recently showed me Marie 2059 01:45:53.279 --> 01:45:55.840 Antoinette for the first time, and I think we both 2060 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:59.600 agreed it's not a phenomenally like written or directed movie. 2061 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.640 But Mike, God, the set dressing and like the set design, 2062 01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:03.640 the costume design is. 2063 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:04.479 The pieces were there? 2064 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:07.640 Man? Yeah, it's really good. The other person that came 2065 01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:12.960 to mind for me is again I I almost wouldn't 2066 01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:15.319 even call him mid. I think the both of these directors, 2067 01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:17.439 the first one that's going to piss people off is 2068 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:18.399 Darren Aronofsky. 2069 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:22.119 Yeah the edge. 2070 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:23.439 No. 2071 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:29.000 I love Black Swan. I when I was eighteen, I 2072 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.720 loved Requiem for a Dream. I don't anymore. Well, I 2073 01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.439 haven't watched it in a long time. I don't plan My. 2074 01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:36.960 Club is your only favorite movie? 2075 01:46:37.119 --> 01:46:39.359 Now? Mother was way over my head. 2076 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:41.319 That was a crazy thing. 2077 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.359 Or I completely understood what he was trying to do 2078 01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:45.600 and just hated it. Either way, Uh, and then what 2079 01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.039 was it? What's it? A? Noah, He's got a bunch. 2080 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:51.079 I love some of his movies others. I think this 2081 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:53.399 suits the email's definition in the way that he's made 2082 01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:55.760 some in one in my mind, some phenomenal movies, but 2083 01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.760 others that I just really I don't think he's got 2084 01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:00.840 the batting average of the greats. 2085 01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:04.039 Yeah, oh, I got a really good one. Go for it, 2086 01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:11.279 Rob Zombie. We're gonna get this guy's mid A shit 2087 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:15.079 House of a thousand Corpses is fucking brilliant. It's so good, 2088 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.720 it's fucked up It's an absolute classic horror film. He 2089 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:21.119 knew exactly what he was doing. The Devil's Rejects is 2090 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.000 also wild and takes some massive swings. There's like a 2091 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:26.800 ten minute end sequence that is just like all set 2092 01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:28.880 to a song. It's so wild. And then he also 2093 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:32.279 made Halloween and it's just like what happened here? And 2094 01:47:32.319 --> 01:47:35.560 the monsters like where's where this guy? Like lost the 2095 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:39.000 sauce somewhere? But like, dude, the original components of these 2096 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:39.960 films were so good. 2097 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.960 So Rob Zombie, Yeah, the one that came to mind. 2098 01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:45.600 I think I was. I took some time to to 2099 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:48.560 say he sucks in a few a few episodes ago, 2100 01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:52.560 is h Nicholas Vinding Refin? I rewatched? Was that on Firescape? 2101 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.399 I talked about rewatching I rewatched Drive like a year 2102 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:55.960 or two ago. 2103 01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:57.239 Oh right, and you didn't like it? 2104 01:47:57.239 --> 01:47:58.399 It was Oncape. 2105 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.880 You didn't and you didn't like Can you be coming Dan? 2106 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:02.600 No? Wait what? No? 2107 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:03.840 He doesn't forgot? 2108 01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:04.840 No. 2109 01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.600 But this is because I this is more because I 2110 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:11.279 always talk about how much I disliked Nicholas finding Refin Again, 2111 01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:14.319 I'm just I'm being harsh because I last time I 2112 01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:18.079 watched Bronson, that movie was awesome when I watched the 2113 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.920 Pusher trilogy. I like those quite a bit. It's when 2114 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.720 it gets to like revisiting Drive, which again I think 2115 01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:27.279 there are some cool parts. I think the overall vibe 2116 01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:29.479 of it, aside from the soundtrack, is just not held up. 2117 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:33.119 Of Ryan Gosling and Carrie Mulligan staring at each other 2118 01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.880 wordlessly for thirty seconds on end is no longer romantic 2119 01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:39.800 to me. And then, oh, my God, Only God Forgives. 2120 01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:42.720 I know Nicholas finding Refin is the biggest Only God 2121 01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:44.479 Forgives fan in the world, and I don't want to 2122 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:49.119 offend him, but I still think that movie is dogshit. Yeah, 2123 01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:52.279 he fits the bill in the sense of, like, if anything, 2124 01:48:52.399 --> 01:48:54.880 I think I don't even calling him mid might be 2125 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:58.560 doing him some favors. I know Hideo Kojima and him 2126 01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:02.199 are good friends, as Nickola likes to say every chance 2127 01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:06.199 he gets anyone. Who Yeah, I think it's just like 2128 01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:08.680 maybe I just don't like the guy, which is fine, 2129 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:11.560 I don't need to, but uh, yeah, I need to. 2130 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:13.680 I need to like go back and watch Bronson at 2131 01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:16.119 some point to see if I still like anything of 2132 01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:18.760 his that much. And then there's one more I'm forgetting. 2133 01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:21.960 I think it's Valhalla. It was called Holla Rising Valizing. 2134 01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:25.279 I haven't watched that in a while either, But anyway, Drew, 2135 01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:26.079 you have anybody else? 2136 01:49:26.199 --> 01:49:31.039 Yeah, I've got one more. Uh Roland Emeric who did 2137 01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:37.840 Universal Soldier. Okay, Stargate Independence Day. If you don't like 2138 01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:39.920 Independence Day, you're a bad person. Yeah. 2139 01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:43.720 I saw Stargate in theaters and it worked my baby mind. 2140 01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:46.000 Yeah, you should replace your eyes and your ears and 2141 01:49:46.039 --> 01:49:49.640 your brain if you don't like Independence Day. Nineteen ninety eight, 2142 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:54.439 Godzilla was that the one with Green Day doing the theme? 2143 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:57.079 That was one with the eggs with the eggs in 2144 01:49:57.279 --> 01:49:58.119 Madison Square Garden. 2145 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.720 I saw that in theaters too. I was a believer. 2146 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:02.720 Everybody walked out of that film and was like, what 2147 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.000 a mess? And I was like, but the eggs they 2148 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:09.119 are hatching at the same time. It was like Jurassic 2149 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:11.800 Parking there. It was crazy, such a good film. 2150 01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:15.960 You followed that up with The Patriots starring Mel Gibson. 2151 01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:21.479 I got admit. I have to admit, he wales on 2152 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:26.920 those dudes with those hatchets that movie. The scene, I 2153 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:30.439 will say, what the fucking scene where he Okay, it's 2154 01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:32.359 like I'm going to spoil this movie. If you haven't seen, 2155 01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:34.079 it's your fault. And also if you don't want to 2156 01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:35.840 watch something with mel Gibson, and I'm gonna spoil it 2157 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:39.039 so you don't have to. There's a scene his one 2158 01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:42.720 of his I think his eldest son gets killed by Oh, 2159 01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:47.399 Jason Isaacs of White Lotus season three Fame. Now he 2160 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:51.399 plays Peter Right, the dude from North Carolina, the rich dude, 2161 01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:53.239 white family dad. 2162 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:55.760 They're all with rich and white. 2163 01:50:57.840 --> 01:50:58.960 He's Jason Isaacs was. 2164 01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:03.239 Specific yeah, yeah, a great villain, the. 2165 01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:06.880 Villain and the patriot who kills Mel Gibson, who is 2166 01:51:06.920 --> 01:51:09.159 a former was at this like he's got PTSD from 2167 01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:12.680 this like massacre where they killed a lot of Native 2168 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:16.079 American Indians at this fort during the French Indian War. 2169 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:20.720 I believe mel Gibson character, his oldest son gets killed 2170 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:26.119 by Jason Isaac's like executed memory serves. And then mel 2171 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:30.760 Gibson like basically gives his two very young sons rifles 2172 01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:33.399 and he's like follow me, and they've sprint into the 2173 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:35.800 woods and he sets up an ambush in the woods 2174 01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:40.560 with his like two preteen sons to kill like this 2175 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.479 squad of redcoats and he's got like rifles placed at 2176 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:48.800 strategic points along the path. And it's tense as fuck 2177 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.560 because he's telling his like eight year old son, hey, 2178 01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:56.960 do not shoot until until basically yeah, and then he's like, 2179 01:51:57.039 --> 01:51:59.840 don't shoot until I shoot, and then I'm gonna be 2180 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:03.079 rinting around. It's actually pretty tense. I haven't seen in years, 2181 01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:05.560 but I remember that scene like sweating watching it. 2182 01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:10.159 But the end of that movie, so he finally the 2183 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.199 showdown at the very movies like almost three hours long. 2184 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:17.359 It's so it does not need but it's it's it's 2185 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:19.920 him and the bad guy finally facing off on this 2186 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:25.319 battlefield and Jason Isaacs is charging toward Mail Gibson, who's 2187 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:29.439 on foot. Isaacs is on a horse. Mel Gibson, uh 2188 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:34.119 grabs an American flag and h'its it in the ground 2189 01:52:34.359 --> 01:52:37.920 and then stabs his horse as it's running as he is. 2190 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:39.399 The best movie. I don't know if this is a 2191 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:43.399 mid director we're talking about. This is like, in that 2192 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:45.680 same battle, you see a cannon ball like kind of 2193 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:47.640 bouncing low on the ground. It hits some guy's shin 2194 01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:51.760 and takes his leg off. It's good stuff, but yeah, 2195 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:57.800 then he made Yeah, anyway, day after tomorrow. What yeah, 2196 01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:01.000 speaking of solar storms, Mary, maybe that's what he was. 2197 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:04.399 A filmography, yeah, too soon? 2198 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:11.920 Yes, yeah, and uh, what's his name, Dennis Quaid? Yeah, 2199 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:15.520 twenty twelve, White House Down and I have yet to 2200 01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:23.199 see Moonfall. Sounds like that's where the moon falls. It's 2201 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:24.720 a spoiler. 2202 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:31.159 Yeah. Interesting, what a fucking filmography. That is crazy. That 2203 01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:34.640 is a crazy path to take. Hollyween. 2204 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:37.720 Also Yondabon, who did Speed and Twister? Which are there? 2205 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:38.840 Those are just bangers? 2206 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:43.520 Well, that's just not mid That person's just you're right perfect. Wait, 2207 01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:45.640 I'm sorry. What else besides Speed and Twister or just 2208 01:53:46.079 --> 01:53:46.399 that's it. 2209 01:53:46.600 --> 01:53:51.199 That's pretty much it. Yondbon also did Speed to Cruise Control. 2210 01:53:51.479 --> 01:53:54.239 Okay, they're a perfect, perfect director. 2211 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:59.479 Yes. And one of the tomb Raider movies, which one 2212 01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:03.840 was yeah, oh life, Oh Gerard Butler and that silver 2213 01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:04.520 skin suit. 2214 01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:11.199 I think I've seen it. I'm pretty sure something tells 2215 01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:14.000 me something deep in the recesses of my brain. 2216 01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:16.399 Is that when you had your first awakening. 2217 01:54:16.840 --> 01:54:19.239 Oh, I had many many awakenings to that movie, if 2218 01:54:19.279 --> 01:54:19.760 you know what I mean. 2219 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:27.119 Yes, And nineteen ninety nine's The Haunting with William Neeson 2220 01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:29.680 and Catherine Z Jones speed Liam Neeson. Oh my god, 2221 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.399 I am so excited for the Naked Gun. 2222 01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:36.880 Oh that looks very funny. Yes, the end joke is 2223 01:54:37.039 --> 01:54:39.800 what kind of made me realize that they are going 2224 01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:42.920 to have a spicy sense of humor with this fel. 2225 01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:45.600 It's very important that the Naked Gun didn't just it 2226 01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:49.159 wasn't just funny. It was like kind of dangerous funny. 2227 01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:53.000 They took some risks. If you haven't seen it yet, 2228 01:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.880 everybody should watch the trailer because that trailer will tell 2229 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:59.079 you that they are taking risks with this movie. They 2230 01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:01.439 are going. I think it's good. It's good stuff. 2231 01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:06.039 I recently started. I think it was Naked Gun Forget. 2232 01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:08.319 Maybe it was the sequel. It starts off when there's 2233 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:11.199 like this drug deal going down on the docks somewhere 2234 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:13.319 and they're in a boat house and none other than 2235 01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:16.520 oj Simpson shows up, like as I think it's part 2236 01:55:16.600 --> 01:55:20.920 of this drug deal, and the bit where he dies 2237 01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:23.720 basically or again, I didn't go past the scene. He's 2238 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:26.520 just like he gets shot a bunch and then he's 2239 01:55:26.560 --> 01:55:29.920 stumbling around this boat house and falling into different things. 2240 01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:32.039 At one point there's just a full wedding cake in 2241 01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:34.800 the corner that he like face plants into before he 2242 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:38.680 falls over the railing into the ocean. Y. Yeahhh that 2243 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:40.760 kind of shit. So I'm glad it's coming back as well. 2244 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.800 I love that shit too, Like that's such a golden era. 2245 01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:46.800 And like I was raised where my dad was like, 2246 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:50.159 you're finally over old enough. We're watching Airplane, and it's 2247 01:55:50.239 --> 01:55:53.800 just like it was important that I watched this piece 2248 01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.279 of cinema, but he had to wait until he was like, 2249 01:55:56.600 --> 01:56:03.239 you are now ready for the scene where everyone's I 2250 01:56:03.399 --> 01:56:05.760 was still pretty young. For the record, I think he 2251 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:08.359 was like, you can handle a pair of tits that 2252 01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:10.760 are just hanging out on this scene, and so like 2253 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:13.399 it was just a funny, funny time. But I mean, 2254 01:56:13.520 --> 01:56:15.720 I to this day if that movie is on, like 2255 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:17.439 if I'm like in a hotel or whatever and I'm 2256 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:20.600 just like sifting through cable ud finding that is like 2257 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:22.600 finding a gold mine. 2258 01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:27.399 It's so good. All those movies Wrongfully Accused is really good. 2259 01:56:28.000 --> 01:56:31.000 People don't know a lot I haven't. It seems like 2260 01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:33.279 not a lot of people have seen Top Secret, which 2261 01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:35.760 is the one they made that team made before Airplane 2262 01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:39.880 starts val Kilmer ri ip shit, that one's really good too. 2263 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:43.239 It's been years, but I have I just think I 2264 01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:45.600 like spoofs in general. I mean I always like hot 2265 01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:49.239 Shots and hot Shots Part two. Yes, they're just really 2266 01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:50.000 important to me. 2267 01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:51.840 Yes, yes, me too. 2268 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:55.000 We're gonna get a lot of emails after this episode. 2269 01:56:55.039 --> 01:56:55.640 It's gonna be fun. 2270 01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.159 Well, that's our show. Good stuff. 2271 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:01.600 Thanks so much for joining us. True again. 2272 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:02.199 Absolutely. 2273 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:05.039 You can right into Firescape pass at gmail dot com. Also, 2274 01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:06.720 if you're not a patron and you want to be, 2275 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:08.800 you can go get add free versions of the audio episode. 2276 01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:11.800 You can go get video versions of all the episodes. 2277 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:13.680 You can also get access to our bonus videos. We 2278 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.720 did a co op with Dan and Jake, Mary and 2279 01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:19.680 I which is a very fun game. If you played 2280 01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:22.800 fast fun or lethal company or trying to scratch that 2281 01:57:22.920 --> 01:57:27.079 edge with something even funnier it's still like horror based, 2282 01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:31.439 then go check out Repo on Steam. We also, I'm 2283 01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:33.760 Vinnie and I are cruising along with our co op 2284 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:36.960 series and Total War Warhammer three. I believe next week 2285 01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:39.359 we'll be putting up today. If you're listening to this, 2286 01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.720 when this episode goes up, there's a new episode over 2287 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:44.439 on next Lander in our evil campaign, I think that's 2288 01:57:44.479 --> 01:57:47.680 the first one where I believe I get into a 2289 01:57:47.800 --> 01:57:51.600 full on, like army on army battle with the vampire 2290 01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:53.600 zombie pirates. 2291 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:54.760 That'll be fun. 2292 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:57.159 And then we'll have the new episode up on fire 2293 01:57:57.239 --> 01:57:59.920 Escape or Mike and Vinnie save the world as opposed 2294 01:57:59.960 --> 01:58:02.479 to to destroy it next week on fire Escape. 2295 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:07.199 True, what do you have going on all to F 2296 01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:08.880 one and all the other projects you have? 2297 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:11.239 Yes, it's now called Shift F one. 2298 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:11.800 Damn it. 2299 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:18.119 We change the name after after we both left CBS, 2300 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:18.840 I ja. 2301 01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:24.960 Change what I said, more elegant name change. Mary and 2302 01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:26.880 I had Resident can Evil and then we left CBSI 2303 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:28.319 and just call it Resident Kanini. 2304 01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:29.920 It doesn't make any sense. 2305 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:33.479 Someone someone said it one of our fans, and anyway, sorry, 2306 01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:34.439 Shift F one. 2307 01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:39.239 It's a it's a Formula one podcast. We do a 2308 01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:41.600 we kick off the season which actually just started with 2309 01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:43.640 only two races in and Aria. There is so much 2310 01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:46.159 drama and F one. It's great. This like one of 2311 01:58:46.159 --> 01:58:48.640 the leading teams kicked out their driver after two races 2312 01:58:48.680 --> 01:58:52.239 because he sucked so much. Yeah, I mean it's a 2313 01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:54.560 soap opera. That's why we love it. But our first 2314 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:58.000 episode every season is like the It's like a double 2315 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:00.880 length episode that assumes that you know nothing about motor 2316 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:03.319 sports and like tells you all about how the sport 2317 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:06.319 works and who everybody is. So it's like our onboarding episode. 2318 01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:08.720 So if you're curious, you can go back and and 2319 01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:12.359 watch that or listen to that. I do it with 2320 01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:18.479 Daniel Dwyer of No Clip and Rob Zacney of Remap 2321 01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:24.199 Three Moves Ahead. I'm not sure Rob is still on that. 2322 01:59:24.640 --> 01:59:26.279 The show is still going, but I'm not I'm not 2323 01:59:26.319 --> 01:59:27.000 sure he's still on it. 2324 01:59:27.119 --> 01:59:27.960 And I have a I. 2325 01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:34.600 Recently started another podcast, really unique idea. Uh, it's a 2326 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:40.000 movie podcast with my wife. I don't know if you've 2327 01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:47.159 ever heard of maybe Dan No. I mean it's called Yes, 2328 01:59:48.920 --> 01:59:53.000 it's called I Think It's about And one of us 2329 01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:55.000 has seen a movie and the other has not, and 2330 01:59:55.079 --> 01:59:58.199 the one who hasn't seen it tries to guess what 2331 01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:01.319 it's about based on just like the cultural osmosis, like 2332 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:03.399 what they've heard it's about, or like just looking at 2333 02:00:03.439 --> 02:00:05.279 the poster, and then we watch it and see how 2334 02:00:05.359 --> 02:00:05.760 right they were. 2335 02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:06.960 That's a funny idea. 2336 02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:07.760 I like that. 2337 02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:11.680 That's really cool. Has it been around for how long 2338 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:12.600 have you guys been doing that? 2339 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:19.720 We are fourteen episodes, okay, I think yeah, yeah, hard swings. 2340 02:00:20.079 --> 02:00:23.920 We we did Pride and Prejudice followed by predators. 2341 02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:28.359 Oh, predator could get pretty interesting if you really don't 2342 02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:29.039 know much about it. 2343 02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:33.399 Yeah, Pride and Prejudice and predator could be described similarly. 2344 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:44.840 Go hunt, it's a hunt. There is uh, that's it. 2345 02:00:45.800 --> 02:00:48.199 Someone comes with mud in both of them. 2346 02:00:49.279 --> 02:00:49.760 That's true. 2347 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:51.479 The weather is involved. 2348 02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:54.560 Ye, mister Dassi, I can't see you. You have mud 2349 02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:58.680 all over you. So yeah, I do want to give 2350 02:00:58.680 --> 02:01:01.000 a shout to Daniel Dwyer, the the second most Irish 2351 02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:03.800 person in the video game industry. What do you have 2352 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:04.119 going on? 2353 02:01:04.920 --> 02:01:09.600 I'm still streaming on Twitch on Mondays. That's actually how 2354 02:01:09.680 --> 02:01:13.439 I played. Was it called dote open the curtains or 2355 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:16.840 open the door or just look outside? Look outside? So 2356 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:20.279 as I remembered perfectly. I think what's fun about this 2357 02:01:20.439 --> 02:01:23.720 dynamic is often I will stream those games there first 2358 02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:25.760 and then I will talk about them here. So if 2359 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:28.479 you hang out and watch the streams, you might catch 2360 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:30.399 me playing a game that I'll end up chatting about 2361 02:01:30.439 --> 02:01:33.399 on this podcast, which is fun. You get to experience 2362 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:36.800 it before we chat about it. So that's really it. 2363 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:37.600 That's all I'm up to. 2364 02:01:38.239 --> 02:01:42.600 Cool, I'm just doing my day job. It's not forward facing. 2365 02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:45.479 This is mainly the forward facing stuff I do. And 2366 02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:48.039 that's about it. Thanks everybody for joining. 2367 02:01:48.199 --> 02:01:49.520 We'll be back in two weeks. 2368 02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:51.800 Like I said, go subscribe to the Patreon if you 2369 02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:54.279 want to, and you haven't yet. We're on the subscription 2370 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:55.680 model now, so it's not going to charge you on 2371 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:57.279 the first of every month. It's going to just charge 2372 02:01:57.279 --> 02:01:59.119 you on the day that you actually sign up every month, 2373 02:01:59.359 --> 02:02:02.319 which is a nice quality of life thing. Drew, thank 2374 02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:04.479 you so much for joining. Yeah, thanks for having me. 2375 02:02:04.600 --> 02:02:06.840 This was fun, of course. I can't believe it took 2376 02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:09.560 this long. Yeah, we always have people on. We're like, 2377 02:02:09.560 --> 02:02:12.159 why have you not been on before? We don't have 2378 02:02:12.279 --> 02:02:15.159 subs often, we're usually we're usually around, but you know, 2379 02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:19.039 Dan's globe trotting do whatever he's doing, going to see Stuffy. 2380 02:02:19.640 --> 02:02:21.520 I might be gone next EPI because I think I'm 2381 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:24.479 going to Saint Jude. But we can eat chat about 2382 02:02:24.479 --> 02:02:27.600 it offline. But then two weeks and Twitch always goes 2383 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.199 to Saint Jude to learn about how we can help 2384 02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:33.840 support creators who are raising money for Saint Jude Charity Hospital. 2385 02:02:33.880 --> 02:02:37.439 It's a wonderful organization, so cool. Maybe I'll talk about 2386 02:02:37.439 --> 02:02:38.520 that next time I'm hanging out with you. 2387 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:41.000 Guys for sure. All right, Well, we will be back 2388 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.039 in two weeks with our one hundred fifth episode. Thanks 2389 02:02:44.039 --> 02:02:47.119 everybody for joining. Until then, have good time. Bye. 2390 02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:08.560 St.