1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:34,719 Speaker 1: All right, good Saturday morning, It's time for another episode 2 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,200 of Hobby Hotline. I feel like I haven't been on 3 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,119 the show in a while. It's probably not the case, 4 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,399 but it just probably just feels like that. But happy 5 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:47,520 to be back and on this morning. I hope everyone 6 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,759 out there is doing uh fine as well. And I'm 7 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,039 joined on today's episode by two guys that you know 8 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:58,640 combined on the screen. The experience in the hobbies as 9 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,640 Yoda's age, I'd say, I'll put it that way, like 10 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:07,319 one hundred definitely three figures, uh and uh, and so 11 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,319 happy to be joined by Uncle Rich Klein as always 12 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,159 forty eight. 13 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: For me in the active hobbies. So Orlando, you only 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,480 have to be fifty two. 15 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: Only below us on screen level, not not in stature 16 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,079 as Orlando a collector. And Orlando's probably sitting there like, 17 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:26,879 how the heck am I going to get a word 18 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:32,799 in edgewise today? But don't worry, Orlando, you I hope. 19 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,840 So we are not a huge yeah by all means, 20 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,239 because I'll probably do that once or twice, if not 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,519 more than that. Let's we'll get to some good mornings 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,799 before we, uh we get right into it. Larry Gitlin 23 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:53,640 Good morning. Stuke's as always, Trey Sombrace three of us. Yeah, 24 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:55,959 I don't know about that, but thank you, Larry says, 25 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:58,760 looking crew. 26 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:00,319 Speaker 2: I liked when did you did. 27 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: You do the go? 28 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: I've always had it. I just I think I took 29 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:07,439 some out in the middle. So this is actually looks good. 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: He's right. I was thinking to myself, John looks different. 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,439 It looks good. I got new glasses too, so that's probably. Oh, 32 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:17,240 he's the man. 33 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to I'm trying not 34 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,560 to look as old as my age as much as 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,719 hold it off as long as I can. 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 37 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: Sign of the Pastime. Good morning, Peter B. Good morning 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,800 from rainy Cape God. Well, I'm in rainy Syracuse, so 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,800 we share the weather. I think your scenery is a 40 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:39,479 little better looking in Cape Cod than mine in Syracuse. 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,599 Mookie Chilsen, Uh morning, Uh Dean Gearhart, Hello, good morning, 42 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:49,639 uh Dean. All right, guys, we're gonna lead off with 43 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:53,599 this one because it's it's ongoing and it's making news 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,520 and even more so for what's the trends and what's 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,080 going on? 46 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: Uh during it, right, and it'll be. 47 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,159 Speaker 1: On today after us. We're kind of the kickoff for 48 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,639 the draft today, but the NFL Draft I'm speaking of, 49 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:12,319 and I titled this the NFL Draft Draft in the 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,840 Shador slide. Chador on some people's boards, the best quarterback 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,680 on the board or the you know, in the top 52 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,800 twenty of just overall players. We're now into the fourth 53 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,080 round starting today, and he's not on the board. 54 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,439 Speaker 3: A lot of people know I'm a Steeler fan. They 55 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:33,240 are like super thirsty four quarterback and they haven't. They 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:33,960 didn't take them. 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: Not only once did they bypass them, but twice. And 58 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,639 there's been I think five or six quarterbacks selected thus far, 59 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:43,960 none of them by the name of Shador. We've seen 60 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,000 I'll say one more thing, guys, and then I'll let 61 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:47,879 you guys in here. 62 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: We've seen sort of the running backs kind of make 63 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,680 a comeback, a few taken in the first round where 64 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:57,680 we Ashton genty with the number six pick to the Raiders, 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,840 and so. 66 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: We're seeing this is gout. I watched the draft every year. 67 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:05,360 This is like a holiday for me. This is the 68 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,680 weirdest draft I've ever seen. Guys, and I've seen a 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,840 lot of them, so I don't know who wants to 70 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:11,039 go first here. 71 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:14,159 Speaker 4: But ahead, I'll go first. Sure. 72 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the problem with Shadir is, uh, he's 73 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:19,839 got a lot of baggage, you know. I mean, when 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,000 you got a father that's really good, it's kind of 75 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,279 pushing for him and all that. 76 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:25,439 Speaker 4: You know, that's good. You know, that's going to create. 77 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,879 Speaker 5: A lot of headline news that maybe some teams don't want. 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,560 And I just truly don't think that he's good as 79 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,199 they make him out to be. You know, he's he's 80 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,759 not as talented as cam Ward, but you know he's 81 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,240 a talented quarterback. I am surprised that he slipped down 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,360 so far. I really thought he would go probably in 83 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,439 the second round, but I just couldn't see him in 84 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,360 the first round. I see a lot of teams are 85 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:50,839 picking you like like my Dolphins. Dolphins picked up you know, 86 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:53,560 big offensive guy and a big defensive guy, you know, 87 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,279 three hundred and thirty pound guys and six four six 88 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,480 guys and for the Dolphins at least is to help 89 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,319 out with Tua and the blocking. But I think a 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,199 lot of the teams going for guys versus a lot 91 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,839 of the talent. And you know, because quarterbacks, as we 92 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:11,439 all know, I'm for risky no matter how good you 93 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:14,959 think they are from college to the NFL. Depth and 94 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,160 some guys just and I think Shadier is going to 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,519 be one of those guys that I think he's going 96 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,639 to struggle personally. 97 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 4: You know, he didn't play for a big, big. 98 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:26,319 Speaker 5: Team, you know, not one of the big teams, and 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,480 you know he's a great quarterback, but I don't he's 100 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,639 going to be a star. 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,879 Speaker 4: For me. I see it more as a backup latall. 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,560 I mean, that's my opinion. But you guys think, Okay. 103 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,399 Speaker 2: I've got a few things. One, let's not forget that 104 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,720 the two people in the the two most recent quarterbacks 105 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,480 in the goat discussion, Joe Montana and Tom Brady, were 106 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:53,240 drafted in the third and sixth round respective. So it's yes, 107 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:55,399 a lot of times you're you get a good shot 108 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:57,519 with the number one draft pick or a first round 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,439 and sometimes you get JaMarcus Russell and other people like 110 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,480 that that fail. In nineteen ninety one, you know when 111 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,959 John had his card store and he probably sold a 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,240 lot of these cards. The Jets drafted a young guy 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,160 by the name of Browning Nagel. How many Browning Nagol 114 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,560 cards did you sell? Then, and how many Browning Nago 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,160 cards can you sell today? There was also Todd Marinovitch 116 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,399 aka Tard Todd Marijuanovich. And there was one quarterback out 117 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:23,680 of the ninety one drafted. Oh Dan. Let's not forget 118 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:27,480 Dan MacGuire. His brother has his brother's potential. Baseball Hall 119 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,639 of Famer Dan not so much. There's one guy. I 120 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,240 think he was the fifth quarterback drafted in ninety one. 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,519 I think he was a first rounder. His name is 122 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Brett Fahr. He's the only one of that ninety one 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,639 class that actually did anything, So you never know for sure. 124 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:44,519 The same thing today. You see some of these first 125 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,560 rounders do great, you see some of them fall apart. 126 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:51,720 Sometimes you see lower picks. Rock Perties made the Super Bowl, 127 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:54,480 made the Playoffs. He was the last player selected. So 128 00:06:55,399 --> 00:06:59,560 where you fall to? Ron Wolf, the old Packers general manager, 129 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,959 maning as good as John on his monologues. Ron Wolf, 130 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,279 the old Packtors general manager, always said I want to 131 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:08,600 draft a quarterback every year, and he drafted among people 132 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:11,839 he brought to camp, Mark Brunell and Kurt Warner. So 133 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:15,959 it's not necessarily a I'll put in in air quotes 134 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,560 a death sentence for Shadur Sanders not to have been drafted. 135 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,920 But this draft, to me was interesting when I looked 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,240 at the first round, A few running backs and a 137 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,800 few quarterbacks. But this is not going to be a 138 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,160 draft I suspect where the rookie class is going to 139 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:34,920 really be amazing for Panini's final year as the NFL license. 140 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's some sleepers in this draft, and 141 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,160 maybe not so much big names, Rich, but guys that 142 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:44,600 really kind of come on once the season starts and 143 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,720 you say, oh okay, especially on the receiver side. I 144 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:51,240 think that the receiver side of this is probably the strongest. 145 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,160 But I'm I'm a big fan of Ashton Genty. I 146 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,800 wouldn't have been disappointed if the Steelers, normally I don't 147 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,519 like taking running backs too early. It would have been 148 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,360 crushed had they made a move up to try to 149 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:06,000 get someone like Daddy went to the Raiders at six. 150 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:08,759 And I think you touched on it. I know you 151 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:11,079 touched on it when we were talking before we went live. 152 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,439 Speaker 3: Rich. 153 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I think Saquon Barkley has sort of opened the door 154 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:18,360 back up for teams like to consider taking running backs 155 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:21,120 the highest places. We kind of had that five to 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,639 six years, maybe even longer, where running backs became an 157 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,600 afterthought even as free agents, they weren't getting big contract 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,839 to the point that Ugion was even like publicly, you know, 159 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:36,879 exclaiming their displeasure and that this is troublesome. And now 160 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,919 we're seeing a little bit kind of a turning back around. 161 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,559 Not fully yet, but at least the start is there. 162 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,960 I mean, in some draft there was no running backs 163 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,200 taken in the first round. I think we had two 164 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,519 this year so in the first and then a bunch 165 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,240 more since those first two. So I think the running 166 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,039 backs making a comeback. Why, I think we saw right, 167 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,799 we saw an Eagles, you know, Chiefs matchup where myself 168 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,039 included thought the Chiefs would win because of the magic 169 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:08,559 of my homes We're gonna talk about him here in 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,080 a little bit later as well. But what do we 171 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,440 see that that Saquon Barkley took the Eagles? Well, that 172 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,960 was the missing piece they lost the previous Super Bowl 173 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,279 they were in, but they controlled the clock with the 174 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,240 run game, they scored a bunch. 175 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: Of points and they blew the doors off the Chiefs. 176 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,799 Speaker 1: Surprisingly, I'm not surprised that the Eagles won, But in 177 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,799 the fashion they did. 178 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: I think people saw that game. 179 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: Obviously everyone who's not in the game in the NFL 180 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,840 watched the game or the majority had said, hey, you 181 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:41,360 get a you got a game changing running back. 182 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: You that changes the whole outlook on. 183 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: What you can do. So if if a running back 184 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,399 is viewed that way, like Genty in this year's case 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,159 in Amarion Hampton and Maar Hampton, I think you're gonna 186 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,679 get picked earlier. So that's sort of kind of reversing 187 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,799 the trend we've and seeing. 188 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: With your door. I just I notice probably people didn't even. 189 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: Put him on their draft board, guys, just because what 190 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,799 you said, Orlando, the stuff you get with it. His 191 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:15,720 dad probably making comments at press conferences about NFL team 192 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:17,720 that who has who has him? 193 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 3: I get that. And he may not be the best quarterback. 194 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,000 You said that too. Cam Ward is rated. 195 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: On most people's boards the number one quarterback, but even 196 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:31,200 he has some some holes. If you know, is it 197 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,639 just not the best quarterback class next year, at least 198 00:10:34,639 --> 00:10:37,840 on paper shaping up to be better. Maybe teams are 199 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,399 just like sort of punning this year and saying we'll 200 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,320 wait till next year when there's more to select from 201 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,159 but with Shador like even the talent. 202 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: Like, how do you not get picked at this point? 203 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,159 Speaker 1: And you know, am I thinking he's the next you know, 204 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,679 Patrick Mahomes. No, but when you're a team that needs 205 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,039 a quarterback aka the Steelers, the Giants, the Browns not 206 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:04,840 anymore because they wound up picking someone not named shit. 207 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 But the fact that he slid this far. There's even 208 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:11,240 the analyst on the draft telecast said, I don't know 209 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,000 what to say. For one of the few times in 210 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:16,759 my life, I don't know. There may be even something 211 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:21,279 we don't know about guys. Maybe Deon Sanders called some 212 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,600 of these teams because of his status and being an 213 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,679 NFL Hall of Famer and called some of these gms 214 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,600 and said, hey, you know, don't draft my son or 215 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,559 do draft my son, and well, this is the number 216 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,919 we want. Maybe he's meddling too much and teams are like, 217 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,559 we didn't even draft the kid, and this guy's calling us, 218 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:41,919 and then we draft him. 219 00:11:42,039 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna get phone. 220 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: Calls every day from Diana about how we're handling his 221 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:47,279 son now that he's on the roster. 222 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,039 Speaker 3: So I wonder if that's a little bit of that 223 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:52,879 going on. 224 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,279 Speaker 1: Guys, I mean, what do you what do you think 225 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,600 you think people are just like we don't. We don't 226 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,279 think he's great. I may not be terrible. Well, we 227 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:01,080 don't think he's great. 228 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: He's not great enough all the stuff that comes along 229 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,519 with John. 230 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,879 Speaker 2: One thing is, remember the NFL has a rookie salary structure, 231 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,000 so he can't call to say, hey, you got to 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,279 pay him more. Where you get drafted is what you 233 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:17,919 get paid. So that that But you're right. 234 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: He might true, but he could still call and say 235 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,440 he could call the Steelers. 236 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: He could call Omark. 237 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,639 Speaker 1: On the Steelers GM and say, hey, he's better than 238 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:30,039 Mason Rudolph and Skylar Thompson who you have on the roster. 239 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,320 He is, he is, But a GM doesn't want a 240 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:39,440 dad call in and tell him your dad out. Maybe 241 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,360 he even said, maybe even said of you, you know, 242 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,320 you could sign Aaron Rodgers, but my boy's even better 243 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:45,720 than him. 244 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: Your time there, and maybe he's doing stuff like that. 245 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: Well, the Cowboy, I'm surprised. I'm more surprised the Cowboys 246 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,279 haven't gotten him yet. I suspect that if nobody else 247 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,240 takes them, the Cowboys will. Dion and Jerry Jones have 248 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,000 a pretty good relationships, so I don't and Jerry Jones 249 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:06,360 love star Power, so I'm a little surprised that they 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,399 didn't take them. I know, you're spending all that money 251 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:10,799 on Dak Prescott, but there's going to come a time 252 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:13,240 where you want a replacement and because you don't want 253 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:16,279 to spend sixty million on Dak and the biggest bargain 254 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:19,519 for NFL teams. And this is like with all the 255 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,200 salaries NFL people have, but one of the secrets for 256 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,879 a lot of NFL teams is building a team when 257 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,639 you have a quarterback on the rookie contract. Because once 258 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:30,080 you have a quarterback on the rookie contract, that's good. 259 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,519 That gives you four or five years to really build 260 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:36,200 a team around. And if you notice, a lot of 261 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,679 the quarterbacks get good really quickly. The game is very 262 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,879 different now than it was from you know, John, you're 263 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,440 definitely the oldest among us, so even when you were 264 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 growing up the game because the game is very different 265 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,440 between college and the pros. 266 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: Here's go ahead, go ahead. 267 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a huge difference between the college and the pros. 268 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,360 And you know, I think Tony tj Online just said 269 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,639 a good comment on there said that probably has a 270 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,120 bad attitude, you know, maybe that's what it is. So 271 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:05,919 and the way I'm looking at if I'm going to 272 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,559 draft somebody that has some may not be my starting 273 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,080 quarterback right away. I mean I'm looking at maybe drafting 274 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:17,120 you know, right wide receiver or a great tight end 275 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:20,320 at a recent tight ends being drafted this this draft 276 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,759 versus others, you know, and the quarterback. 277 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,759 Speaker 4: Seem to be falling and falling. I don't really don't 278 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,440 really a sure thing in this draft. 279 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: Now you never know, like Rid is saying, Tom Brady 280 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,039 and all these guys. But I mean, is there someone 281 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:36,000 there that could be a sleeper? I just I don't 282 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,919 see a quarterback that really can come on and really 283 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:40,960 be a big star in this particular draft. 284 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: Even cam Ward, I think, yeah, that's a good point. 285 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,759 In Alana, you know, my sailors didn't take your door. 286 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,679 I'm going to be a homer here. I'm a season 287 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:52,960 ticket holder, and I watched this guy obviously every game 288 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,720 at home, and then I watched the road games on TV. 289 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: Had really one bad. 290 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,039 Speaker 1: Game in Pittsburgh, but an incredible year in acc And 291 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:04,120 that's my guy. Kyle McCord at Syracue I'm surprised some 292 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,159 of these guys that actually even went ahead of him. 293 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,360 I'm not, you know, saying he has the name of 294 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,240 Shador Sanders, but he got a great combine. By all accounts, 295 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:16,240 he broke acc records. If my Steelers wind up taking 296 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:20,399 him here sometime today in whatever round, I'm not gonna 297 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:22,799 be that crushed about it, because I think I'm not 298 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:25,840 saying he's Tom Brady, but he might. You know, you 299 00:15:25,919 --> 00:15:28,399 gotta take a chance, right, You got to try to 300 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,639 get a guy. If you take him later, it hurts 301 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:33,279 a lot less. They don't paint out. You made a 302 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,399 point in Lando. Excuse me, but you know you said 303 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,480 about maybe they're viewing Shador as a backup quarterback at 304 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,600 this point, and are you gonna take him knowing that 305 00:15:45,639 --> 00:15:47,840 maybe Dad's gonna be on the phone, like why ain't 306 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,200 you playing my boy? Why is my boy on the 307 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,519 bench or the guy you're start and can't hold a. 308 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: Candle to Shador? What are you doing? And maybe they 309 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,039 just like, you know, I don't need that, like he's 310 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:02,480 the only guy, he's the only quarterback that's Dad is 311 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,720 gonna be able to like patch their way and get 312 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,600 their call in here right, and I don't. I don't 313 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,480 want to deal with that. 314 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: And there's other quarterbacks and this quarterback class next year 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:14,639 is bigger. 316 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: So maybe you know, maybe. 317 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:20,159 Speaker 1: Dian as crazy as it sounds, kind of hurt and 318 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,399 you and and and shador himself. 319 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,879 Speaker 3: By all accounts, we're not in the room, guys. 320 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,399 Speaker 1: But a lot of his interviews, a lot of people 321 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,320 didn't like anonymous sources didn't put their name on it, 322 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,360 but said he was cocky, brash, very full of himself. 323 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:36,960 And maybe teams are saying, man, he hasn't even thrown 324 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,000 a pass in the NFL, and he's like this, now, 325 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,000 what are we What are we getting ourselves into if 326 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,240 we take this guy? So I just think they probably 327 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,200 didn't represent them well. But this drop is you know, 328 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:51,600 we thought the Aaron Rodgers dropped during his draft, Remember 329 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,080 that was bad and they kept showing him in the 330 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,759 green room. Uh, And I felt terrible for him, Not 331 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:02,279 as much now turning out he is you know, maybe 332 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,400 you know, this is the worst draft, the worst drop 333 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,079 I've ever seen as far as where someone was raided. 334 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,920 There was people that not a ton, but there was 335 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,039 people said he should have been the first pick in 336 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:13,599 this draft. 337 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: Overcam war. Now I don't agree with that, but some 338 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:16,720 analytics said that. 339 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,039 Speaker 1: And here we are in the hundreds and he's still 340 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,279 in his draft room at home that he built. Add 341 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,960 that to the you know whatever you want to call 342 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:30,039 brash uh list. So this is the weirdest draft I've 343 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:32,480 ever seen, not just on the SR door but even 344 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:35,279 some of the other stuff. I knew something was up 345 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:40,319 went besides the slide when Dylan Gabriel gets drafted by 346 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,200 the Browns ahead of Shador Sanders, and Dylan Gabriel is 347 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,759 you know, probably now he's gonna probably become the next 348 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,799 time Braid Tom Brady after Dylan gil Gabriel is a 349 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,359 questionable backup in this league, and yet the Browns made 350 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,000 him their first quarterback they took this year. So that's 351 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,359 I mean, anyone that says Dylan Gabriels better than Shoder 352 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,359 Sanders didn't watch any college teams, so they just don't want. 353 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: No one wants to touch this guy. 354 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,079 Speaker 1: And it's I'm I get it, but I'm shocked at 355 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,559 no one's taking a chance at this far down to 356 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,319 the draft book. 357 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,279 Speaker 3: You know, Like I was talking with my son watching 358 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,559 the draft. Even if I had a quarterback. 359 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: He's just such a value at this it's almost worth 360 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,720 just taking them, whether he could trade him or you know, 361 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,480 just say, hey, well you know he's just too too 362 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:31,720 high of a draft pick to still be on this board. 363 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:34,400 Let's take him and see what we got. But no one, 364 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,039 no one wants to pull the trigger, kind of going, 365 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:40,440 kind of cloth. How do you think this affects his 366 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:44,720 cardboard prices and chrome prices? Uh, not even so much prices, 367 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:47,519 but demand we see gms are sort of you know, 368 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:48,920 don't want to deal with them. 369 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,559 Speaker 3: Do you think collectors say, hey, maybe maybe I shouldn't 370 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,640 be buying should do her cards. Gms don't want him 371 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,319 because they don't think he's good or worth the Maybe 372 00:18:58,319 --> 00:19:00,920 I shouldn't be spending my heart or in mind, I'm 373 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,039 buying some stuff and putting it away and sitting. What 374 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:04,799 do you guys think? 375 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,039 Speaker 2: Eventually the results are the answer. But to start it, well, 376 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:13,680 some people may even look and say, look how far 377 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:16,440 he dropped. It's a good bargain. It's a good play 378 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:19,799 to be counterintuitive to say I want to buy these cards, 379 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,200 so I don't think it'll drop as much as you 380 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,039 think they will. Obviously, cam War cards will be the 381 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,039 hot cards coming out this year, and just wait for 382 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,279 the finatic and I'm going to say this because it's 383 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,319 happened the last couple of years, wait for the Fanatics 384 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:37,240 announcement that he's a Fanatics exclusive, because you know, if 385 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:38,960 they had the last two years, they've taken all the 386 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,720 number one, all the first round quarterbacks. I think there's 387 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,640 been one or two exceptions JJ McCarthy and I think 388 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,599 Quentin Richardson the year before that. But usually they're trying 389 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:50,720 to get exclusives on the first round quarterbacks. So I 390 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:53,960 would expect them to try that again this year and 391 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,440 we'll see where it goes. But it's certainly not in 392 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,559 conceived that he might be one of the especially if 393 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,680 he signs cards and the other two don't, he could 394 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,480 be the most expensive card to start some of you know, 395 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:11,960 wherever he falls to, you know, it happens, and he 396 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:13,920 is a good at this point, he is a good value. 397 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,920 He's in the fourth round. It's a good value. 398 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a good you you you pick him 399 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,000 here and he turns out the flame out and be 400 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:23,599 a bus what you know, it doesn't hurt as bad. 401 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:25,599 Had you take you had the Steelers taking him at 402 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,920 twenty one, which I thought they might do. Now you 403 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,440 take them, you're playing with house money, because you could say, hey, 404 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,559 we took a flyer, he's a first round grade. 405 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: We got him in the. 406 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: Fourth, fifth, sixth round and it didn't work out, but 407 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:41,720 we took we took a shot. 408 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,799 Speaker 2: And remember you're paying less money. Yeah, and you still 409 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:49,039 have the rookie contract. If he pans out, you've got 410 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:50,799 yourself a super bargain. 411 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 412 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:54,079 Speaker 2: That really you know that that will enable you to 413 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,559 get not necessarily an All pro or free agent, but 414 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:01,720 that will enable you to really get another quality player 415 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,920 or pay extra money to a couple of your better 416 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,279 players during the length of that contract. It's a great 417 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,319 play on several reasons. And that's why I'm saying he 418 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,279 could very well still be the most believe it or not, 419 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:16,519 the most expensive card out of the packs, depending on 420 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:20,519 how things fall. By the way, my Giants also traded 421 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:22,240 up to get a quarterback in the first round. 422 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're act dark who A lot of people like it, 423 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,960 and then some people think he's the best quarterback in 424 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,160 this draft, and that's why. 425 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: They trade it up for him. And again, that's a 426 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,240 good value for the Giants. Figured that's a good value. 427 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:38,559 I always like Daniel Jones. That didn't quite work out, 428 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,440 but Daniel Jones has some upside to still. But you know, 429 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:45,480 one of the things to remember is drafts are drafts. 430 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,799 You can I mean, they're better, but things still happen. 431 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,359 Undrafted free agents can still become stars in the NFL. 432 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,279 I mean, in my lifetime, Tony Romo is doing the games, 433 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,720 is the number one commentator for CBS, and he was 434 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:05,160 an undrafted guy out of college and he got a 435 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,400 mega contract eventually. So again, it happens. It's never a 436 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,559 guarantee either way. Yes, more attention is paid to the 437 00:22:13,599 --> 00:22:16,640 first rounders because you've invested more money in them, but 438 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,440 it's never a guarantee. People get hurt. Football is a 439 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,359 violent game. It's a physical game. 440 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, let's get some comments and will kind of 441 00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:26,599 close this topic out for the day and let the 442 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,680 draft kind of speak for itself here in a couple hours. 443 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,640 TJ says support quarterback class in general. I agree. 444 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,559 Speaker 1: I think that's sort of a part of the reason too. 445 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,759 A good point here, I think by John Williams, no 446 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,519 player wants garbage in the locker room. 447 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 3: That the smell gets on everyone. 448 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: I think that some of the teams are scared of 449 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,480 what maybe a player like that can do in that 450 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,319 locker room. Tony says, McCord graduated from my son's ice, 451 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,240 great kid and nice attitude. 452 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: The Steelers take them, I won't be that disappointed about it. 453 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,559 Speaker 1: Let's see, I don't think the Stuke said, I don't 454 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,079 think Dan as bad as LeVar Ball. Guess what, I 455 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,240 agree LeVar Ball, but he takes the cake for Helicopter Dad. 456 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:17,359 But Dias in that discussion. Uh you know what I mean, 457 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,160 so uh you know, uh uh not Funny says uh 458 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,759 basically chaudeurs now and back up territory. 459 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:28,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got I gotta agree with all that. I 460 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,440 really agree completely with what Rich is saying. 461 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,079 Speaker 5: You know, I mean, this is the time probably to 462 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,359 draft him now. I mean you can't lose. Yeah, You're 463 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,119 gonna pay him a low amount and the upside is 464 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,519 going to be you know, as far as his cards, well, 465 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,839 we all know that the desirable players are the quarterbacks. 466 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,160 So I think no matter what, his cards are gonna 467 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,000 be valuable. You know, just like you know campboards, all 468 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,119 the quarterback cards are really what people go after first, 469 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,400 and I think you know that whether he's drafted, you know, 470 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:57,640 whatever round gonna be desirable. 471 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: I think all the. 472 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 5: Quarterbacks cards will be the ones that are going to 473 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,319 be hyped. So I think that that's gonna really really 474 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,279 help out. But again, he's gonna have to prove himself eventually. 475 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,519 Speaker 4: If he doesn't prove himself, he's gonna be another you know, 476 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:10,680 Trey Lance or like that. 477 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point too, is is right? 478 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: A quarterback cards are always valuable, right I e. Ryan 479 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:23,359 Leaf remember them against Peyton Manning. People were buying and 480 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,039 putting away Ryan Leaf carts thinking he was the better 481 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,559 of those two quarterbacks, and then when it becomes a 482 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,799 parent y'or not, then they make their way into the 483 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:36,480 dollar boxes at your favorite show. So initially, I don't 484 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,759 think it's a good point in Land. I think people 485 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,559 are still going to phony up some bucks and buy 486 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,920 these quarterback cards. 487 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 3: And then when it's when the the verdict really comes 488 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:46,519 in that. 489 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: He's not what maybe we thought he might be, you'll 490 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,960 see them, you know, sold for pennies on the dollar 491 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,720 just to get rid of them. So the draft, you know, 492 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,599 this draft is hurting his stock more in real time 493 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,079 then probably a hobby time. I'm sure there'll be some effect. 494 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:04,599 Speaker 3: I know. 495 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: Ziggy asked, whoever team drafts on what you know, is 496 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,480 that price going to be lower now if you buy 497 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,799 into a break and you buy that team, You know, 498 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,319 if I think Rich would say probably not because people 499 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,880 are still gonna want the Chardere all the shador Sanders 500 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,480 out of that break, right, whether it's the case break, 501 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,359 half a case, three boxes, or whatever. 502 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 3: The case may be. 503 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: So, you know, quarterbacks that very few are like locks. 504 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720 You even said, right, caim Ward could could be Tennessee 505 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,799 could Look, they drafted Will Levis what two years ago, 506 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,039 and they're already moved on from him and drafted cam Ward. 507 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,519 Two years from now, Tennessee could be drafted a quarterback 508 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:50,000 to replace cam Ward. So there's very few guys that 509 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:54,640 are like, no doubters. It's just they're just given grades 510 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,839 and ratings and whatnot. Tom McCord might be, you know, 511 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,680 five years from now, we might be saying he's the 512 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,680 best quarterback from the twenty twenty five class. 513 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 3: I'm not predicting that, but it might be. 514 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,279 Speaker 1: And what my, it's such a bad class that might 515 00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,400 not even be saying much maybe he's just sort of 516 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,680 a spot starter and he's the only one spot starting 517 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,920 everyone else out of the league or you know, second 518 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,559 or third string. So it's it's crazy, but it's been 519 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,319 the weirdest, the weirdest draft. Guys saying, I'll be watching 520 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,680 it today because I my Steelers are going to take 521 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,640 a quarterbacks? 522 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:30,599 Speaker 3: Who's it going to be? 523 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,799 Speaker 1: And if they if your door is still on their 524 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,880 board here with their later picks and they don't take 525 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,880 them with that quarterback room the way it is, you know, 526 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,359 I saw Keyj's coming about the Browns. Like I said, 527 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,079 taking Gabriel over Sanders speaks volumes, right, If the Steelers 528 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,799 don't take him today, if he's still on the board 529 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,079 and when their picks come. 530 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: Up, that's that's very telling. It's already been telling, but 531 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,279 even even more so. 532 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,559 Speaker 1: Guys, all right, let's stay well, stay with football here. 533 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:07,880 And Patrick Mahomes signed a deal with for autographs with Panini. 534 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,920 Uh So, I didn't know how long this was, but 535 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:16,160 Rich told me it's only good until they lose their license. 536 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 3: We're ready, you want to like try many? 537 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I read and I'm and if I remember correctly, 538 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720 according to what and I'm just double checked. I mean, 539 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,880 AI is not perfect. Patrick, I'm going to read this, 540 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:37,000 Patrick Mahomes. Panini contract on Panini's overall license expire on 541 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,720 March thirty first, twenty twenty six, and I believe there 542 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,720 are other players as well. I think Travis Hunter and 543 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,519 Shade schadur standard speaking of them, by the way, I 544 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,480 think Travis Hunter coming out will be the most expensive 545 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:55,920 player in the pools all their all their autograph contracts 546 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:02,480 expire March thirty first, twenty twenty six, just the day 547 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:08,759 the Panini contract ends and Fanatics Tops becomes the NFL licensee. 548 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,119 Therefore is it year. So it's a one year deal 549 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480 and that's fine. I mean, it'll be good to have 550 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,359 good autographs in the pack. I mean that's one of 551 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,559 the complaints we've heard about the Panini products the last 552 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,839 couple of years that, because of as I pointed out earlier, 553 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,759 Fanatics gobbling up the first round quarterbacks, the autographs out 554 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,640 of the rookie autographs out of the packs have not 555 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,119 been as good as they could have it had been 556 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,480 previously not as good as they could have been. So 557 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:42,319 this at least will get some interest into the Panini 558 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,319 packs and you know, for the NFL and the NFLPA, 559 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,799 having good players signing autographs in the Panini products this 560 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,839 year is a win because for the PA, they want 561 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,519 to make more money. Let's be honest, and having better 562 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,960 players signing this year makes them more money. It makes 563 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,000 the products more palatable for people buying, for people breaking, 564 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,160 for people collecting, or for people who just want to 565 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,960 buy a pack going to their local store like I 566 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,319 do and buy an occasional pack. 567 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,839 Speaker 3: It's so, let me go ahead, let me ask you this, guys. 568 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,119 Speaker 1: This being a one year deal, right, Mahomes is not 569 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,200 going to be a cheap contract. They're paying the millions 570 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,000 for this one year deal. Might we see which I 571 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,680 don't know if it's a good or bad thing. Just 572 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,599 a ton of Mahomes autographs come out of Panin products 573 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,400 for one year. In other words, if if there was 574 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,599 a year to buy Panini products or the best chance 575 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,759 to get a Mahomes autograph odds, would this be the 576 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,599 year you think they do that, being they only have 577 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,039 one year to do it, you know, to shoot up 578 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,400 a bunch of shots out of the way out the 579 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,319 door and leave sort of with people having a good 580 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,079 taste in their mouth. About Panini with the hopes that 581 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,920 someday and at least in their mind that they might 582 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,759 do license football year many moons later, like are we 583 00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,839 going to see a ton of Mahomes autos or not 584 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,920 necessarily or you know, but they are they if you 585 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,119 read it, that did say they're gonna do some special products, 586 00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,680 which I think it'll be like sort of like almost 587 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,319 Mahomes like Tops does with like certain players. 588 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,839 Speaker 3: Where it's you know, the judge back. I think Panini's 589 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,440 gonna do that Mahomes. Well, what do you think, guys? 590 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: Might we see maybe more Mahomes autos in the market coming. 591 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:26,799 Speaker 3: Out of pack? 592 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,079 Speaker 5: I mean for sure they're not gonna pay all this 593 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,240 money and not have Mahomes signed as much as he 594 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,920 possibly can signed. You know, that's what they're gonna look 595 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640 for because they want to get their moneys out of 596 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,119 the product and make as many products, as much product 597 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,440 as possible. My biggest concern I think is are these 598 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,279 good card autographs and it be you know, just sticker autographs. 599 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,599 Speaker 4: And I think that's gonna be a big thing for 600 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:50,240 for Panini. 601 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 5: You know, people don't like and they're turning away from 602 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,240 the you know, the sticker autographs. So I think Panini's 603 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000 gonna have to try to get Mahomes to do on 604 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,119 card autograph. I think that'll create even a bigger demand 605 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,240 because personally I hate the sticker autographs. 606 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: What do you think of that? Rich? Do you think 607 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,319 they're gonna do? 608 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,359 Speaker 2: Ziggy made a really good point in his comments that 609 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,359 they're paying per autograph, and so they you know, they're 610 00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,440 going to pay for autographs, So I think they'll be 611 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,759 selective with Viggi's comment and I thought that was a 612 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:21,759 really good comment. 613 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,839 Speaker 3: Where do you. 614 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Think you think the cut? And it might be I 615 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,079 don't know, I don't know. They don't they don't give 616 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,599 you those terms. But so you think it might be, Hey, 617 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,839 it's a thousand autos for a million dollars something like that. 618 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:36,759 Speaker 3: I'm just making up number. 619 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, but John, I agree with your general concept. The 620 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,759 concept is very much you will sign X number of 621 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,519 autographs at X dollars per autograph this year. That is 622 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:53,000 the contract that usually is the contract for the star 623 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,240 and superstar players with the autograph contracts. The I'm gonna 624 00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:58,920 use the word the lesser players. You have to be 625 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,480 a great player to get into any the NFL. The NBA, 626 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,279 the major leagues. You really do have to be a 627 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,279 great player. But if you're a what we call a 628 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,759 common player in our in our parlance, you are happier 629 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,440 to sign because you don't have as many opportunities to sign. Therefore, 630 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,359 you don't necessarily take as much money and you don't 631 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,240 necessarily have caps as to how much you sign. So yes, 632 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,599 there's probably certain parameters in the contract of any name 633 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,720 players as to how much they get and how many 634 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:32,880 autographs they signed. 635 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I ZIGGI asked, you know, or someone asked his stickers, 636 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,200 or you did early, and I think it's ZIGGI said, 637 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,319 he'll be both. I think you'll you'll get both. I 638 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,680 think when they can catch up to them, they'll have 639 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,960 them doing on card. But you know, you know football 640 00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,440 is and all your thing with training in the off season, 641 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,680 So I think when the opportunity presents itself, when they 642 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,720 can sit down with him and them sign some stuff, 643 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,319 they'll be on card. And I think other times they'll 644 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,279 be sending it to his be sending some to his 645 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:04,240 steam stickers and say sign these and get them back 646 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960 and you'll find those on cards. So I think it'll 647 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960 be I think it'll be both, which one is more, 648 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,759 it remains to be seen. Well, I'm just curious if 649 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,160 we're gonna see more mahomes autos come out in twenty 650 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,960 twenty five, twenty six than we've had in previous products. 651 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,839 Speaker 2: It ends if they have any if they have if 652 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,720 they have any lying around. If they do, you might, 653 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:28,359 but if they don't, you won't. I mean, and you 654 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480 have to keep a few in reserve any way for 655 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,839 a car that comes damaged out of the pack, So 656 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,160 you won't, you know, if there's a I'm just gonna 657 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,559 use like you would say, round numbers if he if 658 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,559 he has a contract to sign a thousand items, you 659 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,240 might only put nine hundred and fifty into the packs 660 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,839 and say fifty for people that say, my card got 661 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,920 damaged in the pack, which does happen, you know, shipping 662 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,240 things happen. You're you know, you don't not every You 663 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,279 can't go to the printing press and get the card 664 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:58,400 from the printing press directly. That would kind of be 665 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,119 not good for several reasons, including theft. You could spend 666 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,119 some time going bye bye for that. And that's a 667 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,079 teaser for what we think should have been our final topic. 668 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,239 But it's certainly something to consider that hell sign x 669 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,760 amount and then a product like National Treasures for Panini 670 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:20,840 or whatever. They're super high end, they will be on card. 671 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,840 But if you put some into the Don Russ brand, 672 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,599 which is they're really their base brand, it'll be a 673 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:28,880 sticker Audobra probably. 674 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 675 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,559 Speaker 1: A couple a couple of comments here before we move 676 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,840 on to the next topic, and there's some good ones. 677 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 3: That's a good one from Mike Michael. The players are 678 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,159 more aware. 679 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: Of the hobby than any other time nailed at that 680 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,039 nails are right on the head with the players union 681 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,719 now involved, these players know exactly what's going on. They're 682 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,800 getting a bigger piece of the pie than any previous 683 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,639 time in hobby. I think there's a good aspect to that. 684 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360 And then there's a I think it's a double edged sword. 685 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,519 I think it's good and bad. 686 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,599 Speaker 3: Good good comment here from Ryan there's a collect article 687 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,159 suggestion why so many autographs are garbage today? More players 688 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,719 weren't talk cursive in way many requests by manufacturers. Yeah, 689 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:15,679 how many kind you? 690 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: I want to say something about that. When I was 691 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920 still a back, which is way back in the day. 692 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,599 Now it's almost twenty years since this article. It could 693 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,480 actually be twenty years since this article ran. And it 694 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:31,239 got prompted by a Vernond Morency autograph on the football card, 695 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,480 which was literally a Chaplin. 696 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, we did an article. 697 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,159 Speaker 2: About the young kids of some of the Beckett employees 698 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:41,519 their signature versus signatures of players on cards. This has 699 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,000 been going on, not just today, but for at least 700 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,440 two or three decades now. 701 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, but it's gotten worth though. 702 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: I will say that I'm not saying it didn't exist prior, 703 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,199 but it's it's it's become I hate to use the 704 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,559 word like epidemic. 705 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 3: In terms of autograph. 706 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,559 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times now what you're 707 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,480 commonly see is the initials. So if I was signing 708 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,760 the card rather than me signing John Newman, you see 709 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,519 a Jane and N. And in some cases, like you said, 710 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960 they just kind of blend in. You can't even tell 711 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,360 the individual initials. 712 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 5: It's just it's so small but nothing. It's almost like 713 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,400 a scribble right in the car. 714 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,119 Speaker 2: And remember when you have a contract to sign. I 715 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,760 think there and I don't remember the player's name, but 716 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,119 there was some player, I believe, a major league player 717 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,519 who talked about the differences of how he signs autographs 718 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:31,960 depending on what the circumstances. You know, there are some 719 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,119 people in life who have beautiful signatures no matter what, 720 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,000 and there are other people who do shortcuts depending on 721 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,239 these situations. 722 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,639 Speaker 1: And and and we're seeing like, how do we even 723 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,480 like JSA and Beckett and Steve Grid and all these 724 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,760 authentication how with that kind of auto how do you 725 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,760 even authenticate? They can't say they didn't sign it, and 726 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,760 you almost can't say they did because I could listen. 727 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,480 I'm not an autograph talent like Forger, but I think 728 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,320 I could replicate that because. 729 00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: It's remember JSA actually keeps a a I want to 730 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,159 say video, but they have a photo of every autograph 731 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,840 ever sent it. They have a monstrous you know, I'm 732 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,320 going to assume Beckett has a similar database. I'm going 733 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,159 to assume p s A DNA has a similar database 734 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960 because they can do quick opinions. But I know from experience, 735 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,039 JSA keeps everything. They keep a photo of everything. 736 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: But we're not talking to Derek Jeter, Mariano rivera auto, 737 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:37,800 which is very intricate. We're talking about in some case 738 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,800 just a mark or initials. Orlando could could replicate that. 739 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: But every mark, believe it or not, even the marks 740 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,920 have specific what every player does most of their marks 741 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,880 the same way. That's why there are penmanship experts. That's 742 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,880 why you know there are people who are qualified to 743 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,119 do that. And so you know, yes, I can't wait 744 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:04,960 for some of these people with their official documents someday 745 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,239 to be in court. And one of the differences is 746 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,079 used to have to write your name a lot. You 747 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,800 don't have to write your name very much anymore. I'm 748 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840 going to go on a very quick tanagent and then 749 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,039 we go back to sports. My mother in law, who's 750 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:18,440 a little bit older, I had to take her to 751 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,559 the driver's license office yesterday. Unlike a lot of people 752 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,039 complaining about the DMV, it went very well. We we 753 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,119 got it through our appointment reasonably quickly. It was it 754 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,679 was a bit tedious, but we got through it. But 755 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,599 one of the things was she has to sign her 756 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,960 name and you had to go through the form. We 757 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480 had a very courteous rep helping us, which was wonderful. 758 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,360 And I need to post this on Facebook. It's just 759 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,760 been a screwed a couple of days. But my point 760 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,079 was that you sign your name for your driver's license, 761 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:48,719 in this case her real ID, since she doesn't drive anymore, 762 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,920 and she still signs her names on various things. Oh, 763 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,440 I don't sign my name, I do our Kay, I 764 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,000 don't sign my name. The only time you'll get a 765 00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,360 real what they what we used to call money signature 766 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,480 is like if I have to do something for a 767 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:03,440 driver's life or an official document. And I mean nowadays 768 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,880 you can't even write on some of these things there. 769 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,920 You know, you go and they give you this thing 770 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:10,880 to use your finger, and I can't do that either, 771 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:15,599 So don't necessarily blame the players there. You don't have 772 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,360 to sign as much nowadays your world. Yeah, you know 773 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,280 you can probably type your turn papers in school. 774 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,559 Speaker 3: On a computer. 775 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,079 Speaker 2: Well you always did that, use the typewriter. But you 776 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,280 know you could probably bring a laptop in and sign something. 777 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 3: Well, me and Rich we use stone tablets and a chisel, remember, guys, 778 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,599 we used to I still do. I'm a dinostaur. 779 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,559 Speaker 2: I think I've now written three checks in the last year. 780 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: I think it's I write last checks than I ever did. 781 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 2: But my rent on zel On Zell, It's like, Okay. 782 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 5: The only time you're going to sign your fool thing 783 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,519 like that is going to be on a check or 784 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,760 a legal document, you know. And these young guys now 785 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,199 they don't write checks, say, they don't even have checkbooks. 786 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 4: Everything is all you know online, so they're not used 787 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:06,679 to that. 788 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,599 Speaker 5: And the other thing you gotta look at, John is 789 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,639 a lot of guys, you know, if you get them 790 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,800 in person, they sign their autograph in person, it's gonna 791 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,960 be like different than when they sit. 792 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 4: Down and do it, you know, with a little more time. 793 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,079 Speaker 5: And I've seen a lot of autographs that I've been 794 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,159 gotten in person gotta been rejected by jays because it's 795 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,559 either a quick scribble, it just doesn't match some of 796 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,719 those things sometimes and the and and the person saiding 797 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,920 the collectors, I got this in person, but it's still 798 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:35,679 different than the than. 799 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 4: The regular autograph the guy does. 800 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna give you a different story the other way. 801 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,119 One of the people I used to work with it Beckett, 802 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,320 got a Frank Thomas autograph when he was still in 803 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,880 the minor leagues. It's a beautiful autograph. Frank doesn't sign 804 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,159 that way anymore, even though in person, because it was 805 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:51,599 too good. 806 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, players have changed how they signed from from 807 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,719 one error to the to the next, and I think, 808 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,559 like you're probably based on demand. You know, I will 809 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,039 stick up for the players in this regard. They just 810 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,079 don't teach cursive in school anymore. So I'll give you 811 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,079 an example. I'm I'm a teaching assistant at the high 812 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,159 school level, so I was curious. So we sort of 813 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,320 had uh some downtime and we had the freshman in 814 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,800 my room and I handed out an index card. 815 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 3: We have seven freshmen in our group that that I teach. 816 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: I gave each one of those seven kids an index 817 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,320 card in the pen, and I said, sign your name 818 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,480 and I'll come back around and collecting. 819 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 3: Came back around, collected them. 820 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: Six of those in the index cards had their name 821 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,639 just printed, you know, just written normally. 822 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,519 Speaker 3: Not one was semi cursive. It was like an attempt. 823 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,400 I wouldn't even call it cursive. 824 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: It was like they really weren't top, but they knew 825 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,199 what cursive matt, and they tried to do it. 826 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 3: We're just not teaching it anymore. 827 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:57,079 Speaker 1: At the at the low you know, at you get 828 00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,000 to high you get to high school, you either. 829 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,199 Speaker 3: Know it or you don't. We don't necessarily teach it. 830 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400 Although I'd never if a kid came to me and said, 831 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,000 mister Newman, can you teach me cursive? Would would or. 832 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: Would try, right, but we're not doing that anymore. So 833 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,679 we're losing that, and so that that's going to be 834 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,440 the trend, right when when these young people become athletes, 835 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,400 their their signatures are going to represent the fact that 836 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,239 they don't don't they don't know how to sign cursive. 837 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:28,079 Either that or they'll learn because then they become athletes 838 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:32,039 where their signatures are in demand. But it's gotten worse 839 00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,360 rather than it's always. Like Bridge said, it's always been 840 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,360 an issue. It's to some degree or another, but now 841 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,039 it's even a bigger issue, if you want to call. 842 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,679 Speaker 2: It, mister Newman, to be honest, don't you and I'm 843 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920 because my wife does the same thing, don't Aren't you 844 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,719 a teacher's assistance for special ed? 845 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:50,559 Speaker 3: Yeah? 846 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that that has you know, my wife teaches 847 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,280 special ed, so I hear the stories and it's harder 848 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,159 sometimes for special ed kids to do anything. They may 849 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:03,440 you might have to have to give an example on 850 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,079 the blackboard, if they're still a blackboard in your school, 851 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,679 or the white or the whiteboard. The difference between printing 852 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,599 and cursive because they might not know the difference, and 853 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,559 because they're not taught that is, you are correct, they're 854 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,199 not taught that because there's no need to teach that, 855 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,400 so you might actually. 856 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,559 Speaker 1: Have I still, you know, I posted just posted that comment. 857 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,679 I still like it to be taught. You don't have 858 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,960 to spend a ton of time. What if you spent 859 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,519 five ten minutes each school day until you felt like 860 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,119 someone had it down? So they have it in their 861 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,719 tool bell, right, I'm not saying they maybe use it 862 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,840 a lot, but it's a nice tool to have in 863 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,079 your tool belt to be able to write in cursive, 864 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:46,000 whether he is sign checks or or not write even 865 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,079 just a penel letter if you're you know again, who 866 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:50,239 pens letters anymore? 867 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 3: Man? Because I still do it? Yees do it? 868 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:55,599 Speaker 4: Yeah? 869 00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,519 Speaker 2: I mean I imagine John and Orlando who ship out stuff. 870 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,880 I don't really ship out. But if you ship that stuff, 871 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,320 even a thank you and you and you sign your 872 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,719 name is a letter nowadays, right, And that's a courtesy 873 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,159 letter to you know, a personal touch is good. 874 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 5: You know, well, think about this, John and Rich I've 875 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,719 see kids right now that do not even know how 876 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,199 to read cursive, not just write. They can't read something 877 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,840 in cursive, and I've seen that. One of my my friends, Ryan, 878 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,519 for Breakout Cards, he he had a letter that was 879 00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:28,480 written cursive and he could barely read it. 880 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 4: You had trouble reading it. And this is a guy, 881 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:31,400 you know, college. 882 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,079 Speaker 1: Ryan's a smart guy. It's not it's not an intelligence that. 883 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,599 Speaker 5: They're not used to reading or writing in cursive, because 884 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,400 it's just not todd and they don't grow up. 885 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 4: That way like we did. You know, we we had 886 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,280 a let pages. 887 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 5: We had to sign our name and write them cursive, 888 00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,760 repeating it over and over and over until we got 889 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,159 it right. 890 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 4: And nowadays they can't eat the cursive writing. That's crazy. 891 00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of thanks, a couple of comments here, guys. 892 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,199 You know, I think he says he's not against it, 893 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000 just more of a lost art. It is in cursive 894 00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,480 is a lost start. I'm glad I have that art 895 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,440 or skill if if you will. Lauren makes a nice 896 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,039 common here. I don't typically use trigonometry, but they make 897 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,559 me take it a four year right algebra. 898 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 3: Algebra is a famous version of math. Right, we teach 899 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,840 geometry actually matters. 900 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,159 Speaker 2: I never drive a card. 901 00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:30,039 Speaker 1: Well, let's be real unless you're like an architect or 902 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,239 you know, a math professor, you're not going to probably 903 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,360 use that form of math. 904 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,559 Speaker 2: Do you know if you think about a geometry, then 905 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,239 the other stuff it actually does matter because you drive. 906 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,719 You have to know how to park a car and 907 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,039 do things, so there actually is a reason to take 908 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,719 You don't realize that the geometry helps you drive. Algebra 909 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,400 trig on the other handed, calculus. 910 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's crazy because even at cards kids nowadays, 911 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,360 you go to the card shows and they're doing deal and. 912 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,679 Speaker 4: They bought three cars. You got to use their calculator 913 00:45:58,039 --> 00:45:59,880 to figure out how much it is. They can't even 914 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,320 the price of the three cars they're buying, you know, 915 00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,679 eight or whatever dollars, and they can't do it. They 916 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,880 have to bring out their phone and do it that way. 917 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,039 Speaker 2: So I just say, and ziggy, as I pointed out, 918 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,079 my wife teaches special edit. I hear the stories. I 919 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,920 was just pointed out how difficult it is for some 920 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,440 of these students to follow instruction. I mean, I hear 921 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:27,599 about special ed kids every day. So I jis commended 922 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,400 for the work he does on that I enjoy. This 923 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,599 is not an insult to special ed kids. They have 924 00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,000 special needs and it's harder for them to comprehend and 925 00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,719 do things. And that's that's just a stated fact. That's 926 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,119 that's unfortunately part of part of life. 927 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick, I appreciate some of the nice comments 928 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,280 about me. 929 00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,039 Speaker 3: I love it. I enjoy it. My only regret as 930 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,480 I actually just didn't do it sooner than I did. 931 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,960 I'm on my fourth year. I will be starting my 932 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,440 fifth year next year. I love it. The kids are great. 933 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,480 A little bit the group I'm involved. 934 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: With just for full transparency, a little higher a lot 935 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,400 higher functioning. We teach algebra, we teach world history. A 936 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,400 lot of their issues are a little autism coping mechanisms, 937 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,400 you know, can only handle so much strown at him. 938 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 3: That's sort you know. But we have our moments. Sometimes 939 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,800 we have to clear a room and. 940 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,679 Speaker 1: That sort of thing, and and it's it's not always easy, 941 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,719 but it's uh. 942 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 3: Every day I drive to work and I'm looking forward 943 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,079 to getting uh. So I really uh, you know, I 944 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,800 do enjoy it. And I learned things from the kids 945 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,239 as much as maybe they learn from me. So uh 946 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,400 and uh, I really do appreciate what I again, thank 947 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,119 you for the coming. 948 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 2: Speaking of special ed I think we'll go to our 949 00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,000 final topic of somebody who probably should have been special 950 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:52,280 ed when he was a young person. 951 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I don't have I don't have a 952 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,840 graphic uh for this, but I wanted to. I hate 953 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,760 to story and I hate that we have to talk 954 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,440 about it, but I think it's it's we do and 955 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,840 you know whatnot. We know one of the backyard breakers, Grant, 956 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,920 and I don't even like giving them the publicity this 957 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,159 will get them, but I won't even. 958 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 3: Mention the breaking outfit. 959 00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:18,679 Speaker 4: Uh. 960 00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: You know people mostly know, so no free pub for 961 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,480 the breaking outfit. But one of those guys, Grant, who 962 00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:29,800 said some really bad comments to about a young being 963 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,920 a young lady that was obviously off putting, in brutal, 964 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:39,159 no other way to put it. He was suspended. It 965 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:41,199 took took a little bit longer than I would have 966 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,199 liked to see. 967 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:43,639 Speaker 3: But they did suspend him. 968 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: Well he's back now, eighty three days later and full again. 969 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,199 Speaker 3: I'm a very try to be very transparent. 970 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,079 Speaker 1: I didn't use what not before that had I been, 971 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,639 I would have stopped, So I don't use him now. 972 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,639 Speaker 3: Obviously I don't want you look at my phone. 973 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:04,559 Speaker 1: You will not find the whatnot app on it because 974 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:06,960 I don't have a need for it. But if I 975 00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,920 was a what nott user when this happened, I would 976 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,639 have probably waited to see what their response was, and 977 00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,039 if they were slow, I just say, listen, if I 978 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,719 was buying the brakes or buying cards, there's plenty other 979 00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,800 fishing to see, so to speak, plenty of other platforms 980 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,400 I can give my money too. But I think what 981 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,400 this goes to show you, and I'll let you guys talk, 982 00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,480 is it's money over morals? 983 00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 3: Right? You know? 984 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,199 Speaker 1: Whatnot says, Oh, the hobby will forget, the hobby will forgive, 985 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,840 the hobby won't care in the grand scheme of things. Listen, 986 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,880 he's a personality that just draw people in, and we're 987 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,800 gonna pick that over doing the right thing because this right. 988 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 3: And I just. 989 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: Thought to myself, I'm being critical of Whatnot? But what 990 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,800 company is there company out there? And you know Rich 991 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,960 has been around a while, Orlando, I have, is there 992 00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,000 company that would pick morals over doing the right thing 993 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,400 over money over financial Again, I don't. 994 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,639 Speaker 2: I don't want to necessarily say they're moral, but both 995 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,639 Orlando and I listen almost every morning to our mutual 996 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,519 hobby friend. Both Spencer Thomas and Hobby Evolution, a former 997 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,519 hobby have a hobby hopline host himself and bo is 998 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,360 doing now eBay Live. I've listened to them all. He's 999 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,760 he because of his radio background. He's got he's got 1000 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,320 the cadence, he's got the rhythm. Within four or five shows, 1001 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,519 see the last one I listened to was dead on. 1002 00:50:33,679 --> 00:50:36,159 He had he had the cadence and the rhythm. But 1003 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,920 their eBay Live is hand selecting the people to go 1004 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,639 on then, you know, at least to ramp it up. 1005 00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:47,079 They are taking their sweet time to move it from 1006 00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:49,880 beta to alpha, so to speak. And they're picking and 1007 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,159 choosing very carefully whom they want to represent their brand. 1008 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,840 They're doing out boarding, they're doing onboarding, they're checking everybody's references. 1009 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,199 They're doing the the right way. I suspect if I 1010 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,039 gave what not a million dollars, they just let me on. 1011 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480 And this is not an insult. Well, that is they 1012 00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,679 are a business. They are in business to make money. 1013 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,760 eBay wants to go slower on that. There is nothing 1014 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,239 wrong with what eBay is doing. In fact, that is 1015 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,519 probably the right way to build a business. Do it slowly, 1016 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,360 start with people you trust, Start with people with good reputations. 1017 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,760 My employer, COMC is on doing eBay Lott's and they're 1018 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,840 they're doing very well with it. You want and they're 1019 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,079 because they're building. There's a local card store. 1020 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:31,320 Speaker 3: I know. 1021 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 2: R J. Duke's Ryan is on eBay line. They have 1022 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,760 so far built a very good platform. I'm not necessarily 1023 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,519 saying they're the only one, but that's the major difference 1024 00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:43,719 I see between them and Whatnot at this point is 1025 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,719 eBay is making sure they're building block by block and 1026 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,920 they're getting quality people to do it. And by the way, 1027 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,639 congratulations to Bow. He is moving his medicine card show 1028 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,760 to a new upgraded location from the hotel, and I 1029 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,159 suspect the show will all be in one locations that 1030 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,239 are separate floor, the separate balls going forward. But that's 1031 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,800 a different subject for a different day. But that's that's 1032 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,760 really the point I wanted to make you have the 1033 00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,960 way eBay's doing it, which is building it blocked by block, 1034 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,239 and the way what Not's doing it, which basically lets 1035 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,960 everybody on. Most people are good, but every once in 1036 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,639 a while you get somebody who goes off the rail 1037 00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,400 and there's supposedly morals, clauses and whatnot that say this, 1038 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,360 this should never run, this should have gone away. 1039 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, one come one cop hang on land, And I 1040 00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:29,599 want to respond to this comment from UH five foulball 1041 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,039 or foul foulball says uh bash on what Not because 1042 00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,360 you don't use it or sell on it. I can 1043 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,920 only speak for myself here, foulball. Even if I had 1044 00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:42,199 been using Whatnot and they allowed him back on. 1045 00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 3: I would have stopped using what I would have deleted 1046 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,920 the app. I would have deactivated or closed my account 1047 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,320 and done business elsewhere. So I just happened to not 1048 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,800 be using it already. 1049 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,800 Speaker 1: But even if I wasn't active user, my stance and 1050 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,599 position would not would not fluctuate. I would I would 1051 00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:05,360 not be a user any longer had I been prior so, 1052 00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:11,280 And I'm not bashing. 1053 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 2: So I don't do any harline buying. 1054 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with John one hundred percent, you know, 1055 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,320 And I really think that Grant was. 1056 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 3: One more comment. I got it. I don't get back 1057 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:20,000 real quick. 1058 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,559 Speaker 5: I think if Grant was just a regular Joe blow 1059 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,679 on there and not their biggest one of their biggest breakers, 1060 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,719 I think it was it was just a guy like 1061 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,800 Joe blow anybody, I think it would have gotten rid 1062 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,400 of that guy. But because it's Grant, because he's bringing 1063 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,199 in so much money and he's one of the biggest 1064 00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,920 breakers and whatnot, I think that's why they allowed him 1065 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,480 to continue. 1066 00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: So foul Ball says, if you don't use it, how 1067 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,920 do you know what's going on? There's a thing, it's 1068 00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,719 twenty twenty five. It's a thing called video and replay 1069 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,440 and social media where people actually put what he did 1070 00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:50,800 and said on it. 1071 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,760 Speaker 3: So I didn't see it live. So if I don't 1072 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,599 watch it live, so it doesn't so it doesn't count. 1073 00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:57,559 Speaker 1: If I don't see it when he said it, it 1074 00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,719 means he didn't say it. Is just like the if 1075 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,079 the he falls in the woods and no one's around 1076 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,880 to hear it. You can't go look in the woods 1077 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,039 and see the tree that fell down. Like, No, I 1078 00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:10,599 didn't see it when he said it, uh, but I 1079 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,639 saw it afterwards. 1080 00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 3: That's that's good enough with me. You know, if I 1081 00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,760 leave a tape recorder in the house and call my 1082 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,320 wife a bunch of mean names, it still counts, right. 1083 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,239 She just hits play and then here's me like that's 1084 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,000 one of the weirdest comments. I gotta ever we've seen 1085 00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,159 a hobby hotline? If you didn't, if you don't use it, 1086 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,119 how do you know? You know? How do we know 1087 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,199 where were you around? Uh? 1088 00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:38,639 Speaker 1: You know for the Hindenburg disaster or the JFK shooting. 1089 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,559 We know those happened, right, I didn't see it. JFK 1090 00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,719 is still alive. He's ninety eight years old. 1091 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 3: He lives in Katee, Cot. 1092 00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,639 Speaker 2: Like he'd be a hundred and eight now. 1093 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 3: All right, But that's why stay in school and take maks. 1094 00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,800 Speaker 2: Okay, if we've filled out for the hour, I think 1095 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,400 we've given this topic more than enough, more than enough time. 1096 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440 I have a car, try to go to. So let's rap, 1097 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:03,199 let's let's listen. 1098 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,679 Speaker 1: Let me let me just say this too. If you 1099 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,159 use what not and your user, whether before after continuing, 1100 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,760 that's your business. That's your business, just like it's my 1101 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,000 business to say I don't use it, and even if 1102 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,159 I did, I would have stopped. 1103 00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:21,960 Speaker 3: That's that's my choice, right if you choose to use it. 1104 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm not like it doesn't make you to any christ 1105 00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:28,840 I'm not you know, I'm not mad at you. I 1106 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,719 might be mad at what not for allowing that conduct 1107 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,920 to kind of happen, and then you know, give give 1108 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,719 someone a pass. But that's not on you unless you 1109 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,960 said that, which I'm assuming you didn't. 1110 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 2: So Michael Ziggy has Michael A. K. Ziggy has a 1111 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,920 couple of really good points. 1112 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,280 Speaker 3: We should we should Yeah, dad right, I think too. 1113 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,119 Speaker 1: Again, I don't want to make this a dad versus 1114 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,840 You're not a dad thing, or a parent versus you're 1115 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,000 not a parent thing. But does you know Michael said 1116 00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,440 I was launching what I decided not to write and 1117 00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,199 let me let me take the other ankle. If if 1118 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,159 Ziggy would have said, you know what, I don't like 1119 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:12,639 the comment. I don't stand for that, but I'm I'm 1120 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,519 doing my business. I don't believe in that. But I'm 1121 00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:18,519 a separate entity. You know, Ziggy no cards, A Ziggy 1122 00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,760 no card is not this breaking outfit. I wouldn't be 1123 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,559 mad at him for that. I might if I have 1124 00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,079 any access to what not for allowing that sort of 1125 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,039 I don't want to say completely unscathed. There was a suspension, 1126 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,320 but I don't think the punishment in the end fit 1127 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,119 the crime. So my my eyers towards whatnot not people 1128 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,639 using whatnot right, that's your choice. That's your choice. My 1129 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,159 choice is not. I didn't before. Had I been using, 1130 00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:47,639 I would have stopped. So and again somebody said, well, 1131 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,320 that's easy to say when you're not here. 1132 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 3: It is. 1133 00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the truth because I know what 1134 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,440 I would have did. So that's all. I'm not anyone 1135 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,679 that uses whatnot. I'll shake your hand if I see 1136 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,119 you at the National if you know what I mean. 1137 00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,559 That has nothing to do with you. You didn't put 1138 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,920 the words in someone else's mouth and say that I 1139 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,400 just choose not to do business with a company that 1140 00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,519 sort of almost condones that. 1141 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 5: That's what they didn't. They didn't eliminate this company to 1142 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,639 spend them. They just suspended Grant. So all those they 1143 00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:21,159 were still breaking, they were still making. 1144 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,880 Speaker 4: Doing their normal thing. It was just Grant, wasn't there. 1145 00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:28,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And again it is not. You know, for me, 1146 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,800 it's not a like, hey, don't use whatnot. It's like 1147 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,880 it's a don't I'm not using whatnot? 1148 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,920 Speaker 3: Do what do? Whatever? You feel right in your heart, 1149 00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:38,719 but you know to say to say, well you didn't 1150 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,360 see it, it doesn't count. That won't not. 1151 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,079 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, where I have I have six 1152 00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,559 cameras around my house, Like you can see me go 1153 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:53,280 to the bathroom, don't John, I know I don't have. 1154 00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 3: One in my bathroom just for people who think I'm weird. 1155 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,800 But I was just a little embellishment there. Like, doesn't 1156 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,159 whether you saw it when he said it live or 1157 00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,519 you saw it after the fact. It happened. It happened 1158 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:05,000 he said it. 1159 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,239 Speaker 1: You know, if I go to school and say something 1160 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,159 off color and one of the kids goes home and 1161 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:15,039 tells his parent, mister Newman said this, I was offended, right, 1162 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,360 I might have to answer for that that parent files 1163 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,119 the report. The parent wasn't there, right, But you know, 1164 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,039 enough people saw it, it becomes a big deal. 1165 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,360 Speaker 3: I could potentially lose my employment. 1166 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: So just cause you didn't see it doesn't mean it 1167 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,000 didn't happen or it shouldn't be dealt with or accordingly. 1168 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,079 So that's sort of a cop out answer to maybe 1169 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,119 someone who likes whatnot. And again, I'm not even mad 1170 00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,840 at your foul boff, like you're a whatnot user. Knock yourself, 1171 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:46,280 knock yourself out, have fun, get some deals. You know 1172 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280 you're transacting in the hobby, being an active hobby. 1173 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 2: If you're selling. I hope if you're selling, and you're 1174 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,800 selling honestly, go for it. Be wonderful. 1175 00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and zink. 1176 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,239 Speaker 1: It makes it another point, right, It's not one bad 1177 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,840 guy in the hobby. He's not the only guy who 1178 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,159 on something off color. 1179 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 3: Right. It happens, right, Charlie Manson. I'm not saying we 1180 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,000 give them the debt, but like they should, we have 1181 00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,840 to be responsible on what we say. I'll use I'll 1182 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,159 use it. 1183 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,360 Speaker 2: I'll use one of my lines I wrote from Rich 1184 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,119 Muller many years ago on Sports Collectors Daily, and I'm paraphrasing. 1185 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,239 If I got sent up the river for ten years 1186 00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:26,159 and I came back with nineteen twenty one E xxx 1187 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,199 the fan cards, of which four copies are known period, 1188 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,079 and I came up with ten of them, one including 1189 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,440 a Babe Ruth. You know what, The only question people 1190 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,239 would ask me is how much are they? 1191 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:35,719 Speaker 3: How much? 1192 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1193 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only question they would ask. They wouldn't 1194 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,079 care that I spent ten years in jail. They wouldn't 1195 00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:43,639 care that. All they care is, oh, this card is unique. 1196 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,719 It's a Babe Ruth, it's legitim it's real. It's got 1197 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,360 to be worth x zillions of dollars? How much do 1198 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,599 you want for it? That's the only question they'd ask. 1199 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,559 Pardon the pun in today's world, but stuff. Trump's all 1200 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,719 and with that, let's wrap up this puppy. 1201 00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,719 Speaker 4: All right, all. 1202 00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,239 Speaker 3: Right, hey guys everyone in the chat room. 1203 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,119 Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you and commentary to the show, 1204 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,639 whether we agree with you or not, and vice versa, 1205 01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,800 whether you agree with us or not. Right, it's it's 1206 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,400 fun to do on a Saturday morning, chop up a 1207 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,320 little hobby. I was glad I got to do it 1208 01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,599 today with Rich in Orlando and you guys in the 1209 01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,440 chat room, you're listening to us, to us after the fact, 1210 01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:25,320 just on audio. 1211 01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,079 Speaker 3: We appreciate you as well. Everybody, have a great way we. 1212 01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 2: Can, guys, Thank you, and as I saw Chris Harris 1213 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,280 in the chat, so keep on rocking in the free 1214 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,599 world and honor there you go. 1215 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:41,159 Speaker 3: Let's see, let's see let's see where Chador goes today 1216 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,000 or if you go today. All right, guys, take care, thanks, thanks, 1217 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,559 Thanks Rich