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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another segment of nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we want to talk about is the war

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<v Speaker 1>on woke? Is there an actual war on wok or

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<v Speaker 1>people pulling out the guns? I don't know, but Cynthia

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna let us know. It's going to fill us

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<v Speaker 1>in on it. So what do you got for it, Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Kelly, Today we're diving into the war on wokeness,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a term that has been twisted into a

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<v Speaker 2>political weapon in recent years. In twenty twenty two, Florida

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Ron DeSantis rallied the right against what he called

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<v Speaker 2>the war the actually woke mob. Yeah, that's what he

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<v Speaker 2>call it, the woke mob, turning a fight for social

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<v Speaker 2>justice into a cultural war. But what's really behind this

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<v Speaker 2>anti woke movement? In today's episode, we'll explore how a

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<v Speaker 2>blend of white grievents and Fearmont Green has led this

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<v Speaker 2>crusade against progress, and how it's part of a long

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<v Speaker 2>cynical effort to maintain racial and social hierarchies in America.

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<v Speaker 2>This story is actually from The Guardian by Michael Harriet

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<v Speaker 2>and it was published on December twenty first, twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you very much, And do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing is just like the creation of a

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<v Speaker 1>straw man, and why this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a straw man and there's no there there. The

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<v Speaker 3>people who have been asked about come out against woke

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<v Speaker 3>and all that, and they start asking me some questions

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<v Speaker 3>of them, like well, what do you think woke is?

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<v Speaker 3>And they can't answer it, and they just they fumble

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<v Speaker 3>and then they just sort of should go quiet because

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<v Speaker 3>they don't even know what they're against. But the straw

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<v Speaker 3>man is that this was created just another boogeyman. You

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<v Speaker 3>know that the right needs to keep people excited, keep

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<v Speaker 3>people afraid, and this is all another boogeyman to scare

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<v Speaker 3>the kids, you know, against another non excestent threat to

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<v Speaker 3>their hegemony and attempt to co opt and give a

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<v Speaker 3>negative narrative to a term used on the describe people

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<v Speaker 3>who are aware and more not liberal per se, but

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<v Speaker 3>of the compassionate, empathetic people who are aware of many

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<v Speaker 3>flaws in our current system and systematic biases and inequities.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what woke meant. You're aware of the groups of

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<v Speaker 3>people who are discriminated against in our society and systemically

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<v Speaker 3>and for a long time that's what woke means. They've

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<v Speaker 3>turned it around to mean some sort of a morphous

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<v Speaker 3>liberal boogeyman that is destroying the country, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been able to get anybody who's told me that,

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<v Speaker 3>And they do a lot here in Florida to explain

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<v Speaker 3>to me exactly how they're doing that. So, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not up.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, if you don't, if you don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is just a made up straw man, go

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<v Speaker 1>ask some woke people what their agenda is and then

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<v Speaker 1>have them explain to you what they think is wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And then go watch some of the many YouTube creators

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<v Speaker 1>that are out in the parking lot at far right

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<v Speaker 1>political rallies and listen to what the people attending there

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<v Speaker 1>have to say about the wok agenda and have them

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to them explaining what they think woke means.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're two completely different things, completely different things. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>these movements raise their heads in their USA, they are

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<v Speaker 1>are they often countered, Cynthia? Is there usually some pushback?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before I answer that question, Kelly, I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to say hello, my name is Cynthia, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>the woke looking man. So when it comes to this

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<v Speaker 2>peeks right. It actually illustrates how the anti woke movement

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<v Speaker 2>has become a means to the right to rebrand bigotry

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<v Speaker 2>and also patriotism and drawing upon historical fears and resentment

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<v Speaker 2>by promoting legislation like the Stock Woke Act, like Rhonda

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<v Speaker 2>Santin's actually introduced and others, aim to prevent educational institutions

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<v Speaker 2>from even discussing topics that might provoke folk discomfort, essentially

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<v Speaker 2>whitewash's history and stifling critical conversations about racing inequality. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also went to point out that the article will

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<v Speaker 2>contextualized the anti woke movement within a larger historical narrative

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<v Speaker 2>and actually is a resistance to program. So every significant

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<v Speaker 2>advancement in civil rights has been met with an equal

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<v Speaker 2>and opposite backlash, highlighting a cynical pattern in American history. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>the war against wokeness is portrayed as an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain an unjust status quo, where acknowledgment of systemic racism

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<v Speaker 2>and inequality is framed as an American and this manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>of language and meeting serves to distract from real issues

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<v Speaker 2>at hand, reinforcing existence to power dynamics rather than challenging them.

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<v Speaker 2>We can even point out to a specific time period

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<v Speaker 2>in American history. We had a stork election in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, the first black man was actually made

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<v Speaker 2>president of the United States, and then eight years later

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<v Speaker 2>we got what we got. That's what I'm going to say. Oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a prime example of white backlash against particular woke

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<v Speaker 2>We're using air quotes again, right progress when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to who we even will accept as the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the country, like the highest land that is actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to lead us and be the spokesperson for the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's always been the case, even if you look

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<v Speaker 2>historically back to the civil rights movement and you had

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<v Speaker 2>legislation at the legislation like you had the Civil Rights

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<v Speaker 2>Act in nineteen sixty four, you had the Fairhousing Act

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight, you had the Voter Rights Act

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty five. Then right after that, who did

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<v Speaker 2>we get Southern strategy Richard Dixon, and then right after

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<v Speaker 2>that the War on drugs. Thank you, you damn anti

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<v Speaker 2>woke people. If I believe in hell, you can go there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I got to say about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Goo ahead, Kelly, Yeah, there does.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what too, I'm always thinking We've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of air quotes this week. You know, John,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you, Cynthia? A lot of this is insulting

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<v Speaker 1>and some of it's just basic criticism. Can you help

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<v Speaker 1>us to find the difference between the two and and

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<v Speaker 1>can some criticism be insulting? Okay, oh that was for Cindy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry not.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to answer that, but I'm gonna step back.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlets send Cindy my other Cindy because it's okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm called Cindy too, but not on this program. So

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah. There is much to say about how this

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<v Speaker 4>woke label has been used, and I think Cynthia and

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan have done a very good job trying this. So

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to talk about something that's been bothering me

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<v Speaker 4>for roughly three months, mostly because you know, with all

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<v Speaker 4>the debates on TV, every time you see a right

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<v Speaker 4>wing figure invited on on a less uh less far

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<v Speaker 4>right channel TV channel, there's always this shouting match about

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<v Speaker 4>who is responsible for political violence uh and and each

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<v Speaker 4>camp accuses the other and and and that pieces me

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<v Speaker 4>off because that's pretty much like both citing the issue,

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<v Speaker 4>which is not not true in this case, because there

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<v Speaker 4>is a difference between an insult and a characterization, Like

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<v Speaker 4>an insult is meant to shut down a discussion, to

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<v Speaker 4>deman a person to you know, it's not an argument,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not a position. It's just an attack to the person,

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<v Speaker 4>so that the person is you know, they can answer

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<v Speaker 4>because they get angry, or it's just to attack their character,

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<v Speaker 4>or it does nothing to the discussion. Whereas when you

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<v Speaker 4>say that, especially someone for example, is a fascist, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not an insult. It's Fascism has a very specific definition,

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<v Speaker 4>very specific meaning, and some people fit that meaning, and

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<v Speaker 4>so when we call them fascist, it's not an insult.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like saying that Cynthia has black hair, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's yeah, it's it's just it's like saying that when

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<v Speaker 4>Trump was president, he lied like twenty one thousand times.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 4>Sixteen times a well, twenty times a day something like

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<v Speaker 4>that on average, And so I think it will over

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<v Speaker 4>thirty thousand to be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was in a rage of twenty one per day,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe, if you can imagine that. But so if

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<v Speaker 4>you say that he's a liar. It's not an attack,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just an observation based on facts. And so that's

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<v Speaker 4>something I would like the people on TV to do

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<v Speaker 4>a much better job at dealing with because every time

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<v Speaker 4>they have a right winger saying that, oh, yeah, look

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<v Speaker 4>at all those people calling Tram fascists and now he's

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<v Speaker 4>being shot at, Well, we don't insult him when we

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<v Speaker 4>say that he's a fascist. We just qualify his behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we need to teach the difference to people

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<v Speaker 4>because this difference is very, very important because it means

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<v Speaker 4>that on one side you have people who only say

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<v Speaker 4>insult because they don't know what the position of the

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<v Speaker 4>other side is, or because they themselves have no position

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<v Speaker 4>to hold on. And on the other side, you have

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<v Speaker 4>people who base their opinions on facts, and the two

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<v Speaker 4>are not on the same equal footing. One has value

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<v Speaker 4>and the other doesn't. Until we make that clear every

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<v Speaker 4>time it happens on TV, they will keep both citing

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<v Speaker 4>the issues and people will still be on the fence

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<v Speaker 4>because yeah, I don't know if Tulp is really much

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<v Speaker 4>worse than the other side, or this person is much

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<v Speaker 4>better than the other one. Ah, yeah, I'm not really sure, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they're all insulting each other. No, they're not, they're not.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to learn the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just want to just like piggyback on

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<v Speaker 2>that because, like I think that the larger issue that

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<v Speaker 2>we're dealing with specifically in the United States, and to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, I think that this is something that we

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<v Speaker 2>have seen, like happied in different regimes over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we're trying to abscade the issue of when

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<v Speaker 2>we are seeing certain people in leadership and how they

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<v Speaker 2>are presenting themselves and saying that, hey, to your point, Cindy,

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<v Speaker 2>this person is acting like this, and then it's then

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<v Speaker 2>being said that we are insulting them because we happen

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<v Speaker 2>to be of a different mindset. And as you mentioned that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just an observation, but I don't necessarily think

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<v Speaker 2>that oftentimes when people are using the terms like fascism, socialism, marxism, communism,

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<v Speaker 2>any type of ism, even dictatorships, that they even know

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell that means. They really don't. And so

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<v Speaker 2>if other people are actually in front of them that

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<v Speaker 2>are presenting themselves in a particular way, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>think that because like it's touted that this is the

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<v Speaker 2>right way to be, that that's supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 2>right way to be, and if there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a backlash against it, they're going to be like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>other people are being violent against us because you're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>this particular way and we're being like persecuted. And it

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<v Speaker 2>even reminds me of the persecuting complex that we often have, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, different people who happen to be Christian possessed

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<v Speaker 2>like they feel like a lot of times, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, that because there is a person with

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<v Speaker 2>a difference of opinion or a difference of thought that

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<v Speaker 2>happens not to be Christian, that you are attacking me

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<v Speaker 2>because I think a certain way. And it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>boo boo, I'm not attacking you. What I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>is your particular idea, and I'm taking it apart because

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<v Speaker 2>this is the issue with it. I'm not saying anything

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<v Speaker 2>particularly against you as a person, but ideas, thoughts, positions

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<v Speaker 2>should be challenged. They should be challenged. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>are pointing out the fallacy, the inconsistency, or even the

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<v Speaker 2>hypocrisy in a person's position, they should be challenged and

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<v Speaker 2>told about that and It's very frustrating that oftentimes we

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<v Speaker 2>are pushed against when we are pointing out why you,

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<v Speaker 2>who belong to the anti woke movement has we have

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<v Speaker 2>issue with you? And a lot of times, like even

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<v Speaker 2>if we talked about like in previous segments in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular you know, this particular week of episodes where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people happen to think a certain way or lend themselves

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<v Speaker 2>to about what they're thinking about that all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, you know, putting up the defense system. Like No,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be able to progress any type

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<v Speaker 2>of society, we have to be able to implore critical thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also have to be able to have nuanced

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<v Speaker 2>conversations so we can challenge ideas that happen to be harmful.

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<v Speaker 2>Because like a lot of times, just there's not always

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<v Speaker 2>just like people who just happen to have issues with

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<v Speaker 2>you and they want to be violenced against you. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you can cause that issue yourself when you are speaking

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<v Speaker 2>and so certain things and when you are propagating certain

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that could be harmful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because truth doesn't fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Inquiry, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Cindy how do you think history is going to look

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<v Speaker 1>back on us? Well?

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't like going on on that terrain, but

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<v Speaker 4>we don't need to go to history. The world is

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<v Speaker 4>looking at the US right now and it's not with

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<v Speaker 4>kind eyes. You knows as much as you here tonight,

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<v Speaker 4>and most of the people who are watching the ACA

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<v Speaker 4>shows will say, you don't like what's going on, and

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<v Speaker 4>you don't understand that this election can be so close

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<v Speaker 4>the entire world is. It's even worse for us because

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<v Speaker 4>I understand the history and everything that that led to

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<v Speaker 4>the current situation, but most people don't, and they don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand how is that possible that the same mechanisms that

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<v Speaker 4>we saw in Germany in thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty

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<v Speaker 4>eight thirty nine are happening in front of our eyes

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone is screaming that this is happening, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>still happening. It's weird and it's harrowing, it's unnerving. It's

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of the world is really not happy about

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I just want to decide even to

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<v Speaker 2>piggyback on that, Kelly, if I can sure, no, if

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<v Speaker 2>I want to implore the Bible, because why not we

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<v Speaker 2>are a secular show, because that's how this works. The

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<v Speaker 2>Bible says that there is no new thing under the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have seen an issue when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>other regimes that have come to power and have fallen

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<v Speaker 2>And we have this in history over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again, and unfortunately it has caused an issue, and

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<v Speaker 2>dare I say, a demise in society, in their society.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to understand that are here in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>is that the experiment that has been started over two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty years ago is a good experiment. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>setting up a representative republic that's based on democracy in

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<v Speaker 2>order for the people to have a voice in how

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<v Speaker 2>they're being governed is a wonderful thing. But unfortunately we

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<v Speaker 2>have had on more than one occasion, those who happen

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<v Speaker 2>to bend a certain way come to power to bend

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<v Speaker 2>our society a certain way, and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>that since the United States is a leader, is an

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<v Speaker 2>industrial leader and has been for a very long time

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<v Speaker 2>we are seen even in other countries and other nations

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<v Speaker 2>leadership that's bending that way as well. And I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with Cindy that I don't necessarily think that history will

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<v Speaker 2>look so kindly on the time that we're in right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm hoping for, if I can as an atheist,

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<v Speaker 2>that there're going to be other people who happen to

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<v Speaker 2>see the things that they are seeing and not take

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<v Speaker 2>it and actually rise up and be able to become

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<v Speaker 2>the leaders of tomorrow, so that anti woke will go

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep and woke will be the way of.

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<v Speaker 1>Life well spoken. I just hope that, I just hope

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<v Speaker 1>that history doesn't say of us that we stood by

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<v Speaker 1>one fascism took over Sinney, You had something you wanted

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I hate when I hear what Cynthia just said

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<v Speaker 4>that the US democracy is and experiment. It has nothing

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<v Speaker 4>about an experiment. An experiment is supposed at some point

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<v Speaker 4>to review the results and make changes in the question

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<v Speaker 4>of the resuk on the results.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe maybe maybe amendments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe I and maybe I just need to

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<v Speaker 2>amend what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you see what I did?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? There the starting of our nation was an experiment. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as like, we have never seen in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular way a representative government that was elected by the

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<v Speaker 2>people the way that the United States was set up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Yeah, it was a new thing when it

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<v Speaker 2>was done. Now, yeah, so like you know, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I what I was saying is that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this experiment that was started two hundred and fifty plus

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, that's how it started. But yes, I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>now we should have Now we should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>review the results because we had so much time that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have this data in front of us,

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<v Speaker 2>that we should be able to take our experiment and

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<v Speaker 2>then come up with some type of results so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can come with a theory. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the most pragmatic theory that we can actually come up

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<v Speaker 2>with when it comes with the representative government is that

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<v Speaker 2>when we actually are reper we are actually electing people

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<v Speaker 2>who have the best interests of the people at heart,

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<v Speaker 2>the country will do well. And it also can be

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<v Speaker 2>a guiding post for other nations who may not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>lean to our way to government. But unfortunately, the reverse

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<v Speaker 2>can happen as well, right, or the adverse can happen

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<v Speaker 2>as well. If you are putting people who happen to

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<v Speaker 2>more dictatorial narrative, that happens to be what leads them. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, well we are way over time, so

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<v Speaker 1>I want to I'm gonna definitely on the segment right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do want to thank everybody who's stuck through

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<v Speaker 1>us with the extralogue segment of the nout Profits. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't know, there was a twenty four to

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<v Speaker 1>seven AXP feed on YouTube and you can watch all

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<v Speaker 1>the reruns of AXP. It's a lot of fun and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a really cool group of people that hang out

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat room now, so you get a chance

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