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<v Speaker 1>For a little bit of a conversation our friend the

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<v Speaker 1>fur Ball, Andy Furman, who is being chauffeured around tonight

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<v Speaker 1>as he scouts for women on the streets of wherever,

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<v Speaker 1>Florence or Kevington, wherever he's going. Andrew, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not scouting. I found one, Oh, beautiful young lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Vice president of the Point Douk Leslie Victis is kind

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<v Speaker 2>enough to take me around. She has shuttle me around.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she's the vice president.

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<v Speaker 4>Head.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a head of pr How do you rate to

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<v Speaker 1>have the vice president as your chauffeur?

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<v Speaker 2>Andy? She pities me, she feels for me, she does.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows I'm helpless. You know me. I'm a helpless guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But can we get on with this please? I got

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<v Speaker 2>things to do with people to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what do you want to talk about? You said

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<v Speaker 3>you had things that you thought about.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the Bengals in a different

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<v Speaker 2>sort of vein right now. Okay, the last several days

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<v Speaker 2>all I hear about is t Higgins. Everybody feels sorry

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<v Speaker 2>for because he's only going to make twenty six million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and he's been slammed with the tag. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>here's my problem. I have a real, real problem with

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<v Speaker 2>the public, especially media people. I'm gonna throw names out

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<v Speaker 2>in a few minutes that go on the radio behind

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<v Speaker 2>microphones that criticize Mike Brown about how much money he

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<v Speaker 2>should spend. You know what, no other business does the

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<v Speaker 2>public tell anybody how much money they should spend. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they should just back off. You know what, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Brown should spend as much or as little as he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to spend, and that's it. Don't be criticized. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'll mention the name Austin Elmore. I

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<v Speaker 2>happen to tune him on the other day and I

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<v Speaker 2>see him on Twitter or x whatever the hell you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it. He goes nothing to Mike Brown

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<v Speaker 2>because he's slapped T Higgins only twenty six mil. Hey, Austin,

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<v Speaker 2>how much money do you make public with that? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Not seriously, I'm tired of the public for rating not

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<v Speaker 2>only my problem with every single owner in sports telling

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<v Speaker 2>people how much they should spend. You know what, do

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<v Speaker 2>you tell the owner of P and GP and GM

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<v Speaker 2>CEO how much he should spend? No, it's only in sports,

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<v Speaker 2>So just back off. I got it off my chest.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's really ironic and funny about that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You're tuning into Austin Elmore and he's going nuts on

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<v Speaker 1>how much Mike Brown is going to spend on T Higgins.

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<v Speaker 1>And your original point, Andy, to that there is no

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<v Speaker 1>one in the public that thinks Austin Elmore should get

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<v Speaker 1>paid more.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody right, you know, but Austin Elmore should be concerned

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<v Speaker 2>how much he should make and then he should bang

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<v Speaker 2>on the CEO's door for iHeartMedia to worry about himself

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<v Speaker 2>and not T Higgins. T Higgins is going to look

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<v Speaker 2>very nicely making twenty six million dollars. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the funny thing. I don't hear te Higgins upset.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the fact that you've got slapped it with

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<v Speaker 2>his head with a franchise head and obviously he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get it in a bout a week or so.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't hear him complaining. He's not complaining, really, Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>six millions. He'll still be able to go to Arby's

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times a.

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<v Speaker 1>Week, Andy, cumulatively in your career and I don't work

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<v Speaker 1>for the irs, how much do you think you've made

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<v Speaker 1>possibly a total of twenty six million dollars in your

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<v Speaker 1>entire adult work on life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't think I have. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good question. I'll look it up. Maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 2>try to add that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think maybe I might have made over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of forty years plus, I might have made a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of million dollars total, really total over that time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great that no one, no one cares, no one cares,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one's complaining about it. But in sports, stay

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<v Speaker 2>do and I don't look. I get it. You could.

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<v Speaker 2>You could compare athletes saying that Joe Burrow should make

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<v Speaker 2>more money than a quarterback or whatever. Okay, throw a

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<v Speaker 2>name out there, and I get it, that's okay, he

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<v Speaker 2>should make more money. But to go on and rant

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<v Speaker 2>and rave and say, hey, Mike Brown, stick your hand

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<v Speaker 2>in your while, Hey, that's book. That's wrong. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's rude. I honestly think it's rude

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<v Speaker 2>to tell somebody how much he suspends.

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<v Speaker 3>There is there is you spend.

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<v Speaker 2>More money, spend more money on your clothes. You buy

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<v Speaker 2>your clothes at CVS. How's that.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know where he buys his clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>The books like he bought at CVS.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so let's get off of Austin Elmore here for.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a moment, spiking of football, picking the football and

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<v Speaker 2>contractual obligations. Here, Matthew Stafford was rumored to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Raiders because they had a kind of secretive meeting

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<v Speaker 2>with Tom Brady, who basically is a Minori owner of

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<v Speaker 2>the Raiders in Las Vegas, and then went back and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, now Matthew Stafford's staying with the Rams,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously we knew who was a poy to get

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<v Speaker 2>more money. But here's the deal with Matthew Stafford. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you never hear from them? All I do is here

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<v Speaker 2>from Kelly Stafford, his wife. Well, you back off, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from Matthew. Really, he must be

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<v Speaker 2>whed pretty good at home. Now think about it. What

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<v Speaker 2>was the last time you heard from Matthew Stafford. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all Kelly Stafford. She's always complaining and seeing how you'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to live here. When he left the Detroit Lions

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<v Speaker 2>to go to la it was Kelly Stafford at the

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<v Speaker 2>news conference. It was Kelly Stafford who's basically saying we

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to move to LA. I want to here

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<v Speaker 2>for Matthew. Matthew, come on, really, I mean so that

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<v Speaker 2>I got that off my chest. Well here here.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that Matthew Stafford gets a word in

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<v Speaker 1>edgewise at home effort?

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<v Speaker 4>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it doesn't sound like maybe Kelly is secretly his agent.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that would be keeping it all in the family.

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<v Speaker 1>That way they keep all the money.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't commerce with those beds, you know, with the

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<v Speaker 2>with the heating thing where you could turn the matches

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<v Speaker 2>up and threw them in the bed. He doesn't say

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<v Speaker 2>a word. He doesn't say a word the commercial really,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean coming you know what, let's just need to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that. There's my take and take on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say, do you think that Matthew Stafford is

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of his wife Andy as you are afraid of yours?

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<v Speaker 2>And look, well I'm afraid of mine. But I know

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<v Speaker 2>the way. Yeah it does, it really does. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. Ufl comment on this. It's great. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, No, I'm taking it all in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm absorbing like a sponge the information or the dissertations

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<v Speaker 1>that you're throwing at me and I'm trying to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with some kind of reason the big ward.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop using that. Don't impress me with the ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Words, And so what I what I gleaned? No, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't drop out of high school. I graduated classes seventy

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<v Speaker 1>nine Hendersonville High School, Hendersonville, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>Was honored to get out though.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no GRADU graduated on time. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>then I attended a year of what I call thirteenth

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<v Speaker 1>grade volunteer State Community College and got a fine higher

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<v Speaker 1>education in that fine facility, which has expanded and grown.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be so guilty about your education. It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not guilty about it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The defective run run rings around you in a spelling bee,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Furman, I'll tell you that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Check on my computer. I don't need it, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a couple of responses to the two

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<v Speaker 1>things you brought up. If you'd like to hear them,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up. If you wouldn't, please continue to blather on.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it when you blaw her on because it

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<v Speaker 1>fills the time, and I don't have your work that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, go all right. First thing, on people complaining

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<v Speaker 1>about t. Higgins not getting signed to a bigger country.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to be the eleventh highest paid wide receiver

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL with the franchise tag of twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>plus million.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. Here's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The only team where you could not make this argument

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire National Football League is the green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Packers because the people of Green Bay own that team collectively, right, so.

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<v Speaker 2>They do they have no say Look they have you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, it's just a thing that can hang on

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<v Speaker 2>their walls saying they own stock in the club. They

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<v Speaker 2>have they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They do own stock, They own stock, they own the team.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, they own stuck. But they have no say

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<v Speaker 2>so in personnel r But they should.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have every They have every reason to expect

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<v Speaker 1>to say so. If you're a part owner in the franchise, Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have yeahs, Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans actually should be in charge of what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cheese is sold at the concession stands of Green Bay games,

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<v Speaker 1>and and maybe someone in the player salaries and management.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, you're right, it's Mike Brown is the owner.

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<v Speaker 1>The Brown family is the owner of the Bengals, and

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<v Speaker 1>they will spend the money where they deem it best

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<v Speaker 1>spent or they won't spend it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are their money?

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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>I know?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't tell you to buy a new refrigerator, do I?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really, if you own money, do what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. If you want to put it in

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<v Speaker 2>the bank, I'll put on your mattress. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I really, really, people kick off Mike Brown's money.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy, We really need a new refrigerator. The one we've

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<v Speaker 1>got at the house is getting really old. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>got a spare? I mean you probably have one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably have one of those fancy twelve thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Pelosi fridges filled with gourmet ice cream at your house.

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<v Speaker 3>I know how you live.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nasty Pelosi autograph too.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that wouldn't surprise me either, So and and and

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing that you brought up, which I forgot now.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we've been talking and talk, what was the second thing?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happens at old days, That's what happens with

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<v Speaker 2>old age. It really does you talk about Mike Brown's

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay package, the whole deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember what you said, Oh no, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the second thing after the T Higgins rant that

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<v Speaker 1>you went on and people at being.

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<v Speaker 2>There elems highest wide out in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you said.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's why I know you remember what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember everything you said. That's my point. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I need I need to collect myself for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

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<v Speaker 1>continue this, all right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to continue. I got something new.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you have this to do for the next few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on more more with the fur ball in just

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know, No.

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<v Speaker 2>of mine. I am buying you a case this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure it's a puny thing, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>So you'll be better? Eat carrots and some vegetables to

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<v Speaker 3>What else? What else you got on the plate?

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Edwards, the ant mass and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>know what, he's smart. You know why because all media people,

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<v Speaker 2>people that cover the NBA are negative. Negative. Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>away from from the fund, the inside, the inner circle. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>full of players to Quille O'Neal. Okay, Kenny the Jet,

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<v Speaker 2>he does that too, and of course Charles Barkley. These

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<v Speaker 2>they played the game, they're Hall of Famous. They criticized

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think there's anything wrong with criticizing a

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's wrong. Getting personal is wrong. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>some people talk about Lebron and know when his kid Browny, No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>stay away from the personal stuff, or he would criticize how.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy plays, Or the fact that when Lebron was

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<v Speaker 3>You know, don't We don't need to go into that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I don't think that's the story. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly it happened. But I don't think it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>The fact or the fact that Lebron was driving around

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<v Speaker 2>Would you see you you're a dirt slinger, You sling dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not do that. I would never I agree

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<v Speaker 1>It should be all about his play on the court

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<v Speaker 2>I think the media people today have the tendency of

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<v Speaker 2>hiding behind the microphone. What do I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 2>You need to show your face. You want to criticize somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>just all well and good. And I did that. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one time I said something about Ken Griffy

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<v Speaker 2>I went down to the locker room. The next thing

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<v Speaker 2>he got in my face. I had to eat a

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<v Speaker 2>bowl of you know what, and you know what. We

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<v Speaker 2>made up after that. We were friends. Okay, it was okay,

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<v Speaker 2>everything was good. You know, you gotta go and show

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<v Speaker 2>your face. And Tom Browning, may he rest in peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Browning wrote a book and in the book he

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<v Speaker 2>respected me. He didn't like what I said time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>many times, but he respected the fact that I always

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<v Speaker 2>showed up in the locker room the clubhouse right after

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<v Speaker 2>the next day, because I did that extra ding show

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<v Speaker 2>see the guys are good, better and different. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>face the music, you're gonna say it, you gotta show

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<v Speaker 2>your face. Well, a lot of guys don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They go what I call the microphone muscles now, hide

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<v Speaker 2>behind the microphone. They're real tough, but they won't show

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<v Speaker 2>their face. Pretty tough to go out there in front

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty five guys and need a bowl of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>watch And I've done that many times at Rob bibble

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<v Speaker 2>with Ken Griffy Jr. It happens, that's part of the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing Andy I will say about you and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>you for all these years, is you're a very brave guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You will get out there and you'll stand behind your

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<v Speaker 3>I get all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you're also very brave for being on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio with me every week because we never know

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<v Speaker 1>how this is going to turn out, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like walking a tightrope without a net essentially for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me look at at this. I'm not brave by

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<v Speaker 2>any means, but you know why I used to show

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize, but at the same time I get some

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<v Speaker 1>You're just a pot storer. There's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And as far as you know, I say some controversial

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<v Speaker 2>Know what, no one listens to your show, so it

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<v Speaker 2>never happens. That's the problem. No one listens. If you

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<v Speaker 2>have some ratings, you know, maybe people will know who

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<v Speaker 2>the hell Gary Jeff Walker is. I'm doing you a

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<v Speaker 3>Right and Andy, this show has ratings?

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<v Speaker 2>Really cool? Yeah, prove it, Uran, you'uran when most of

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<v Speaker 2>America is sleeping, really they're getting ready for work tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, I do firstus. You know what, you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be worried about Mike Brown's wallet. You should be

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<v Speaker 2>worried about your future. I'll bang on the general manager's

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think I'm gonna do that? You think that

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<v Speaker 1>will work, Andy really want, I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it for you. Okay, just walking deserves better, You

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<v Speaker 2>deserve better. Yeah, you can be done in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>You've already you've already been fired once you go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>And we just already covered that. You're a brave guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So anybody at radio is anything gets fired you want

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<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about being brave and showing your

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<v Speaker 1>child for that. I bartend in front of the public

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<v Speaker 1>three days a week, sometimes four, and after I've said

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<v Speaker 1>the things I've said on the radio, and yes, people

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<v Speaker 1>do listen. And just because the shows on this time

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<v Speaker 1>of night, the podcasts are well received. In fact, most

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<v Speaker 1>people consume this program via podcast a little bit later

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<v Speaker 1>on when at their convenience, which is I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>am there for everyone at their convenience.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nightcap is not on from nine to midnight. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on any time you want to listen at seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WLW dot com or on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're at Huddles in Newport, right, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an anniversary there the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteenth of March March Saturday, March fifteenth. The group picture

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<v Speaker 1>occurs at one o'clock. Make sure you're there and show

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Furman, are you going to put me in the

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<v Speaker 3>Though?

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<v Speaker 2>I will?

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<v Speaker 1>I want you in the group picture. Last year you

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<v Speaker 1>just did a drive by and you didn't stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>But one o'clock we have We'll have Jim Lebarber there.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have last last year we had Dusty Rhoades of

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<v Speaker 1>We had the gang from Ripley, Ohio, Doug and the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Hornet Sherry. Donald Trump was there. In fact, I've

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<v Speaker 1>room at home. It was a it was quite a

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<v Speaker 1>group picture, Andy, and it wouldn't be complete without the

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<v Speaker 1>fur face right there in the middle next to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of complete, it will be complete now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, do you do? You feel complete? I do?

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to go to the restroom to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, today.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy, you complete me. And by the way, thanks to Leslie,

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<v Speaker 1>the vice president of the Point Arc, for chauffeuring you

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<v Speaker 3>I man, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Must really like that, so I do I love Andy.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know where I would be with all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, stop it, he's amazing. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you got you go pee or do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to do, Andy, and we will hopefully resurrect

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation next week. I've got full shows next week

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<v Speaker 1>without Red's Baseball, so I will expect you to come

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<v Speaker 1>with your a game as you always do, next Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>People look forward to this. I mean they plan their

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, good day, Andy, love you too, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, we have Todd Bensman from the Center for

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<v Speaker 1>hundred w l W, officially into our one hour nightcap

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<v Speaker 1>after Reds Baseball on seven hundred WLW, the Home of

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<v Speaker 1>the Reds. Gary Jeff with you and President Trump's speech

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<v Speaker 1>just concluded here a little while ago, the address to

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<v Speaker 1>the Joint Session of Congress. I'm not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>too far into that tonight, I will leave it to

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<v Speaker 1>others to dissect and figure out everything that the President

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<v Speaker 1>said and the reactions of the Democrats and the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was very entertaining, but will let everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else suit their narrative. It is what it is. As

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Tracy Jones used to say, there is more

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<v Speaker 1>news about the assassination attempt on President Trump. Back on

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<v Speaker 1>July thirteenth, in Butler, Pennsylvania, a guy named Doug Hagman,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a private investigator in Pennsylvania, says he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>think that the would be assassin was working alone. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he alleges that the skinny crazy Kid was part of

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<v Speaker 1>an organized criminal network that may still be operational. And

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<v Speaker 1>many of us have posed or positive that, Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>assassination attempts on President Trump are certainly not over because

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<v Speaker 1>the deep State and our enemies abroad really want him gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a quote from Hagman. We don't think he acted alone.

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<v Speaker 1>This took a lot of coordination. In my view, Crooks

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<v Speaker 1>was handled by more than one individual and was used

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<v Speaker 1>for this assassination attempt. And I wouldn't preclude the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that there were people at the rally itself helping him.

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<v Speaker 1>Hagman was telling reporters that he and six other investigators

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<v Speaker 1>have conducted over one hundred interviews since the July thirteenth shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Their conclusion the assassination attempt required significant coordination and planning,

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I find it deeply troubling that this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>front page news everywhere. But again, should we really be

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<v Speaker 1>surprised about this? When it comes to President Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream media, they seem allergic to any story that

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<v Speaker 1>might validate conservative concerns about threats to our leadership in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. This is a report from the Patriot Journal.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe give the proper accreditation here to this story.

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<v Speaker 1>An article by James Conrad. Anyway, the writer goes on

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps most disturbing as Hagman's claim about electronic evidence. Location

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<v Speaker 1>data from devices geolocated with the shooter at multiple points

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to the shooting do not add up. He

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<v Speaker 1>said in their investigation, at least one device that was

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<v Speaker 1>with the shooter that day is allegedly still pinging at

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<v Speaker 1>a local high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense to you? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI, for their part, so far, has been stonewalling

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<v Speaker 1>this private investigation I'm sure they have their reasons, but

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<v Speaker 1>Hagman claims the FBI may be deliberately withholding crucial information

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<v Speaker 1>about the case. He said, one can assist in an

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<v Speaker 1>operation like this by o missioners standing down. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people still out there involved in this case that need

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<v Speaker 1>to be brought to justice. So Matthew Crooks, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was lay dead on that roof after Secret Service finally

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<v Speaker 1>took him out, he was only a piece of this puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy also alleges that security personnel or federal agents

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly blocked his team's investigation efforts. This pattern of obstruction

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<v Speaker 1>raises serious questions about what the FBI might be hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were in a brand new era of transparency, right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>everything from the Trump administration has been abundantly clear, most

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<v Speaker 1>of them fulfilling campaign promises that the President made on

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<v Speaker 1>the trail. But the writer of this story says, we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen this movie before, haven't we. The same FBI that

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<v Speaker 1>chased Russian collusion fantasies for years suddenly has no interest

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<v Speaker 1>in thoroughly investigating an actual assassination attempt against President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a Republican reped down in Louisiana named Higgins,

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<v Speaker 1>it's part of the story, who served on the bipartisan

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<v Speaker 1>task force investigating the assassination attempt confirmed the FBI hindered

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<v Speaker 1>his investigation though he believed that the shooter acted alone.

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<v Speaker 1>And all this does is raise more questions and the

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<v Speaker 1>answer seemed more elusive than ever. But this Pennsylvania investigative

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<v Speaker 1>team says there's no way that Matthew Crooks did this

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<v Speaker 1>all by himself, and there may have been people assisting

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<v Speaker 1>him there at the rally that day July thirteenth, when

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<v Speaker 1>the president was almost taken out in front of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>We shall see where it goes. Where are all the

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<v Speaker 1>illegals going? A lot of them are going home to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this. Our friend Todd Bensman for the Center

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<v Speaker 1>for Immigration Studies is just ahead. We'll also have Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Hatter before midnight. Thanks for being with us again after

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<v Speaker 1>spring training baseball. Spring training been pretty exciting so far.

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<v Speaker 1>There's cause for optimism, hope, springs eternal, and all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>YadA YadA, YadA. We'll see what happens when the regular

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<v Speaker 1>season begins, and the injury report will obviously as it

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<v Speaker 1>does every year for every team play a significant role

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<v Speaker 1>in what happens with your red legs. Anyway, Todd Bensman

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next on seven hundred WLW. Apparently having some

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<v Speaker 1>troubles get a hold of Todd Bensman now from the

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<v Speaker 1>Center for Immigration Studies. Todd Beniman joins us, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>next few minutes on this night conversation that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been talking about immigration, and you've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>it a lot longer than you and I've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But we've been doing this for about seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>and guests, I've always been just the person that I

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<v Speaker 1>look to to find the real story on what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with immigration in this country.

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<v Speaker 3>It's your job.

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<v Speaker 1>CIS dot org if anybody wants to check out Todd's work,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll see him pop up other places on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News or on any other TV outlet and in publications.

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<v Speaker 1>But Todd, welcome back to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing in the era of Trump and the closed border?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I have to admit that I'm a little wistful

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<v Speaker 6>about losing my greatest story ever.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it feels kind of like.

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<v Speaker 6>My my favorite dog just died or something, right, But

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<v Speaker 6>I know it's good for the country, and for sure

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<v Speaker 6>the border is all but hermetically sealed. Now, nobody's coming

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<v Speaker 6>across it in any kind of number. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 6>think the numbers are of illegal crossings are down to

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<v Speaker 6>about below three hundred a day border length, which we

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<v Speaker 6>haven't seen since maybe the early nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in most places, in most places, from the stories

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing, we're down ninety to ninety five percent along

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<v Speaker 1>our southern border. Now the border with Canada, which Canada

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<v Speaker 1>has made some promises to tidy up, is allowing some

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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl and some illegal people to get through. They're circumventing

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<v Speaker 1>their original trip. What's the situation at our northern border, Todd.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the numbers are down there too.

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<v Speaker 6>The Canadians have put extra forces out there and extra

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<v Speaker 6>you know, surveillance and technology. But most importantly is what

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<v Speaker 6>happened on the US side, which is policies that that

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<v Speaker 6>completely ban any sort of release of an illegal border

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<v Speaker 6>crosser into the country. Nobody who is caught crossing is

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<v Speaker 6>being released into the country under any circumstance, as far

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<v Speaker 6>as I can tell them. That's really always been the

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<v Speaker 6>key two to the whole problem of illegal crossings. You're

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<v Speaker 6>you're always going to have people trying to.

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<v Speaker 5>Run and hide.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, you're you're you're never going to not have that.

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<v Speaker 6>But the big question is what do we do with

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<v Speaker 6>them when we catch them or if we do catch

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<v Speaker 6>them in the interior. And the answer is we expel

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<v Speaker 6>We detain all of them no matter what, and do

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<v Speaker 6>not ever let them out and expel them quickly over

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<v Speaker 6>the border if we can, and if not, put them

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<v Speaker 6>into deportation proceedings and actually deport them physically deport them

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<v Speaker 6>to their home countries by error. So that's the big

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<v Speaker 6>difference if you're a migrant and you're you're looking at

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<v Speaker 6>that your staying home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, plus the incentives have been removed, and uh on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it, thanks thanks thanks to Doze and President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with all of these handouts to illegals

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, whether it be housing. They just closed

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<v Speaker 1>the Roosevelt Hill Hotel in New York City today.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, all the spigots, all the federal bigots, that's all

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<v Speaker 6>that's all shut down. And so you know, whatever is

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<v Speaker 6>left in the pipeline, I'm sure it will get spent.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>But they're you know, they're the incentives to you know

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<v Speaker 6>you're an immigrant. You we let you in at the border.

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<v Speaker 6>You're in Chicago within a day or two taking selfies,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, you're in a a fancy hotel or

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<v Speaker 6>you're being put up in a house, all your bills

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<v Speaker 6>paid for, and you're sending those selfies and all that

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<v Speaker 6>information back to the home village, and they're emptying out,

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<v Speaker 6>of course to come get the same thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 6>an unbelievable thing that we did. It's like chumming the

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<v Speaker 6>waters or throwing corn, throwing corn out in the field.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course you're going to get the deer will come,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. So that's all over all together, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>putting those things in place. It took about an hour

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<v Speaker 6>to close the borders, quite unlike what we were hearing

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<v Speaker 6>all throughout the campaign, which is we need this complex

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<v Speaker 6>Senate bipartisan bill that Trump killed, and if only Trump

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<v Speaker 6>hadn't killed that, we'd have we would have ended this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We had that well, I mean, the great, the great

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<v Speaker 1>Key Todd was not more legislation, not a new law.

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump just followed the federal immigration law that was

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<v Speaker 1>already on the books, which Joe Biden could have done

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<v Speaker 1>at any time By Executive Order and Tom Holman, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>what a bulldog this guy is. I mean, he is

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<v Speaker 1>working with ICE all across the country to root out

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal illegal aliens. And I have some problems by

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<v Speaker 1>just getting one subset as criminal criminal illegal aliens. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've entered this country illegally, you are technically a criminal

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<v Speaker 1>according to the law, regardless of whether you've committed crimes

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<v Speaker 1>other than coming into our country illegally, breaking and entering

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<v Speaker 1>basically as a foreign criminal trespasser. You have been on

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<v Speaker 1>the border, over the border. You've you've been to Central

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<v Speaker 1>and South America in your quest to find out where

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<v Speaker 1>these people were coming from and how they were getting here.

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<v Speaker 1>You've interviewed coyotes and cartel members at some points. There

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<v Speaker 1>is report now that they are I heard the report

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<v Speaker 1>this morning that there are great convoys that are turning

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<v Speaker 1>around at the Darien Gap and they're not crossing now

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<v Speaker 1>because they know the border is closed. It's really simple,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so simple, and it always was. It was always there.

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<v Speaker 6>We never needed a comprehensive immigration reform or don't you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the border was never broken.

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<v Speaker 5>None of that stuff was ever true.

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<v Speaker 6>It was just that the prior administration wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 6>in as many people as they possibly could, and they

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<v Speaker 6>their policies were to just bring them in, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>chum the waters, throw the corn as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>We had the greatest mass migration crisis in American history,

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<v Speaker 6>ten million at least. And now they are moving the

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<v Speaker 6>other way, fleeing our border because nobody they're all stuck

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<v Speaker 6>in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 5>Mexico doesn't want them.

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<v Speaker 6>They've made that clear, so so you know, the better

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<v Speaker 6>voluntarily deport from Mexico. And that's what you're seeing now

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<v Speaker 6>in the Darien Gap.

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<v Speaker 5>It's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 6>In all the twenty years that I've been following the

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<v Speaker 6>Dacreen Gap, I've never once seen thousands of people going

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<v Speaker 6>the other way through it to get out to go

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<v Speaker 6>home like they are now.

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<v Speaker 5>Because this is a four year thing.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, as long as Trump's in office, simply abiding

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<v Speaker 6>by the laws that are already on the books that

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<v Speaker 6>Biden Harris could have done any time at any point

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<v Speaker 6>in four years.

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<v Speaker 1>But they purposely under they purposely undead what Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>had done in the first time. They did just because

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<v Speaker 1>it was Donald Trump, or maybe more nefarious reasons, like

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<v Speaker 1>we need new Democrat voters because people aren't buying what

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<v Speaker 1>we're selling anymore in this country. I think that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>more to the point of why they allowed this to

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<v Speaker 1>go on.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right, and the point is is that it was

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<v Speaker 6>all why what it would take, why it was happening

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<v Speaker 6>that coming from the Democrats, Every single thing that they

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<v Speaker 6>ever said was just a is now stands as completely

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<v Speaker 6>revealed as a fabrication. All that was ever needed was detention, expulsion, deportation.

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<v Speaker 6>Those three things all required by the Immigration and National

646
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<v Speaker 6>Naturalization Law, the I n S the main law, and

647
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<v Speaker 6>it's all there.

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<v Speaker 5>It says you shall do these things. So Trump's just

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<v Speaker 5>doing those things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all to find out more Todd Benjman, You're still working, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You still.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a job?

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<v Speaker 6>I do, yeah, And you know, I mean, there's still

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<v Speaker 6>plenty to write about and to cover.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I will be going down to the border.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably next week to observe the silence and peace and

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<v Speaker 6>tranquility for but it'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time, the first time, for first time you

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<v Speaker 1>took a trip to the border and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful and a place to get away from it.

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<v Speaker 5>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it was like the most insane thing ever.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you couldn't believe it being in the middle

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<v Speaker 6>of that. Every single time. I was always you know,

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<v Speaker 6>just like I can't believe this is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I get dated in a sea of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that we're invited by the Biden administration Todd Bensman

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<v Speaker 1>cis dot org to find out more.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, Sarah appreciate the talk. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our conversation turns to the cyber world, the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>of things world, the digital world, and what we should

675
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<v Speaker 1>be looking out for and what we should be scared

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<v Speaker 1>to death of when we go online or we have

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<v Speaker 1>any association with the wider world web. Our friend Dave Hatter,

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<v Speaker 1>who works for a for this wonderful company. He writes

679
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<v Speaker 1>code for them and looks at cybersecurity all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his job. Now does a document dump every weekend.

681
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<v Speaker 1>Dave does a document dump. That's my attempt at alliteration

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps siblants. I'm not sure exactly which one those

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<v Speaker 1>are grammatically, but Dave always sends me these stories in

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<v Speaker 1>my email box, and some of them are just nuts.

685
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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are just crazy, like this first story

686
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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about. Here's the headline, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>let Dave explain.

688
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<v Speaker 3>Go into this.

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<v Speaker 1>For hackers stole this engineers one as in the numeral

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<v Speaker 1>one password database. Could it happen to you? Obviously, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>he has not listened to any of our conversations. We've

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<v Speaker 1>had loath these many years to understand that you not

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<v Speaker 1>only should have a unique password, not only should change

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But you, I mean, come on, try a little bit.

696
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<v Speaker 1>One password is your password for your entire database?

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<v Speaker 3>What was this guy thinking, Dave, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Gry Jeff. So, this is a crazy, crazy story, and

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<v Speaker 4>it really is illustrative of where we're at and society

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<v Speaker 4>today on several levels, not only the sophistication of attacks

701
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<v Speaker 4>even against technology people who you would think would know.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy was a software engineer at Disney. But I

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<v Speaker 4>want to be clear, just because you're in it, or

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<v Speaker 4>even a software engineer, does not make you a cybersecurity expert.

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<v Speaker 4>While there's overlap between those disciplines, are not the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And the real reason why I think this story is

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<v Speaker 4>so important is it strikes at the heart of this

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<v Speaker 4>theory of why I have nothing to hide. I have

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to steal, so I'm just going to dismiss all

710
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<v Speaker 4>this stuff out of hand. It'll never happen to me.

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<v Speaker 4>And even if it does, so, whether if they steal

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<v Speaker 4>my family photos or whatever, this guy's whole life has

713
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<v Speaker 4>been blown up and an enormous amount of information sensitive

714
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<v Speaker 4>internal information about Disney was leaked as results of this.

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<v Speaker 4>So apparently, again this guy's a software engineer. He downloaded

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<v Speaker 4>some software without fully vetting it, and that's the first mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>So he thinks he's going to use this AI tool

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<v Speaker 4>to do his job better. He went out and found

719
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<v Speaker 4>this online and I'm you know, I can't say I've

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<v Speaker 4>never done something like this in the past. I would

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<v Speaker 4>never do it now and have it for a long

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<v Speaker 4>time because of my kinfoil hattery, you know, Gary, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to throw my periscope up and look outside

724
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<v Speaker 4>the bunker to know if I could even talk to

725
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<v Speaker 4>you today. But put in all seriousness, you know, this

726
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<v Speaker 4>guy down something without vetting it, thinking it was going

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<v Speaker 4>to help him, and it had a keystroke lagger built

728
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<v Speaker 4>into it, a type of malware that is extremely nefarious

729
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<v Speaker 4>anything you download if it's not thoroughly vetted, if it's

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<v Speaker 4>not coming from a legitimate app store. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 4>done some vetting on it could have a keystroke lagger

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<v Speaker 4>built into it. And all a keystroke lagger does is

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<v Speaker 4>sit there and samptitiously capture all of your keystrokes, which

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<v Speaker 4>means then even if you have something like a strong

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<v Speaker 4>unique password on all your accounts, it's capturing all that,

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<v Speaker 4>which is one of the reasons why multi factor authentication

737
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<v Speaker 4>is so critical. Now, if you have to type in

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<v Speaker 4>that code, it can capture that as well, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the reasons why a multi factor authentication app

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<v Speaker 4>or a hardware token is better than the six digit

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<v Speaker 4>code that you type in, because the keystroke clogger is

742
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<v Speaker 4>catching that code and if they act fast enough, you know,

743
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<v Speaker 4>there's codes typically inspiring thirty seconds, they could catch it.

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<v Speaker 4>So it looks like what actually happened with this guy

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<v Speaker 4>is he downloaded his AI software. It had malware built

746
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<v Speaker 4>into it. You know, it's like a back door. It

747
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<v Speaker 4>was running surreptitiously on his work computer, capturing all of

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<v Speaker 4>his keystrokes, which then allowed them to attack his one

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<v Speaker 4>password password. Vault one Password is a great password manager,

750
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 4>by the way, absolutely awesome product. I use it personally.

751
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 4>I recommend it to people. We use it at Intrust.

752
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<v Speaker 4>It's a powerful, great tool that it has some extra

753
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<v Speaker 4>security features. But if you don't have MFA turned on,

754
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<v Speaker 4>if you don't have it configured correctly, and you get

755
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<v Speaker 4>a keystroke clogger, it can theoretically capture all of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>which then allows them to get all of his passwords.

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<v Speaker 7>Well obviously, so the point, the point you're making, Dave,

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<v Speaker 7>is that even if you've got a unique password, if

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<v Speaker 7>you if you download or you upload or linked to

760
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<v Speaker 7>something that's a malware, it doesn't matter if they've got

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<v Speaker 7>a keystroke lagger.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yes, if you get malware with a keystroke lagger

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<v Speaker 4>built into it and you don't have some type of

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<v Speaker 4>powerful technology, some sort of advanced anti virus software that

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<v Speaker 4>can root out that keystroke lagger, And keep in mind, Gary, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 4>you know they change these things around all the time

767
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<v Speaker 4>to try to stay ahead of things like your anti

768
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<v Speaker 4>virus slash endpoint protection software. The kind of thing that

769
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<v Speaker 4>happened to this guy could happen to you. And again,

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<v Speaker 4>this is insane. So now they apparently have all his

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<v Speaker 4>passwords which let him get into Disney's network. When he

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<v Speaker 4>got wind that something was happening, he started changing all

773
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<v Speaker 4>his passwords and apparently to retaliate against him, per this

774
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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street Journal article, dumped forty four million messages from

775
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<v Speaker 4>disney slack channel out on the internet to now, Disney

776
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 4>has a problem and I'm reading I'm quoting to you.

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<v Speaker 4>According to Disney cybersecurity team, the dump included private customer information,

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<v Speaker 4>employee passport numbers, and theme park and streaming revenue numbers

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<v Speaker 4>to now, Disney is sucked into this mess and apparently

780
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 4>to retaliate against this guy, they also published a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of his personal information, including credit card numbers and his

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<v Speaker 4>medical history, as well as all his one pass where

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<v Speaker 4>a logins, Oh he lost his job, Yeah, he lost

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<v Speaker 4>his job. He could potentially get sued by Disney. Who

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<v Speaker 4>knows where this is all going. Disney now has this

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00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 4>huge problem on their hands, and all because I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>when he thought he was helping himself and potentially Disney

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<v Speaker 4>by getting a tool that would help him be more effective,

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<v Speaker 4>because it was not properly vetted and honestly, Gary Jeff,

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<v Speaker 4>in a perfect world, you would have for businesses anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>something known as an allow list, which is here's all

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<v Speaker 4>the authorized software you as an employer are allowed to use,

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<v Speaker 4>and if it's not on that list, you cannot install

794
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<v Speaker 4>it without permission. Because this is the kind of risk

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<v Speaker 4>we have today. I know this sounds crazy to people,

796
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<v Speaker 4>but again, and you know, details continue to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Out about this.

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<v Speaker 4>It has now been reported on extensively, but it really

799
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<v Speaker 4>shows you how your entire life can be upended. In

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<v Speaker 4>his case, totally blown up again. The guy lost his job,

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<v Speaker 4>he might be getting sued. All his personal information is

802
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<v Speaker 4>out there, so who knows what sort of identity staff

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<v Speaker 4>that's being done in his name? Who knows if his

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<v Speaker 4>bank accounts have been drained? I mean, you know, at

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<v Speaker 4>total crisis for this guy. I feel absolutely terrible for

806
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<v Speaker 4>this guy. Yeah, but it just goes to show you

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<v Speaker 4>what can happen if you don't do these basic things.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, here's a question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking to Dave Hatter on the night Cap, the question

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<v Speaker 1>is with the the greater prevalence of AI, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going away. It's only going to become more and

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<v Speaker 1>more ubiquitous in the online world, where people using it

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<v Speaker 1>to help them and their jobs, like this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to when he accidentally stumbled upon the malware and

815
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<v Speaker 1>his life came apart. But with AI, it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to make the threat of this kind of thing even

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<v Speaker 1>more prevalent if people aren't really watching out for it,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you think?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're absolutely right, because even though this is

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<v Speaker 4>sort of tangentially connected to AI, because he was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to get an AI tool to help him code more productively.

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<v Speaker 4>At least that's way it's been explained. Yes, because you

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<v Speaker 4>now have ready access to advanced AI tools that can

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<v Speaker 4>create texts that sounds perfect. They can even create you know,

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<v Speaker 4>videos and audio of people. Again, for folks who haven't

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<v Speaker 4>seen it, I know it's going to sound crazy, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know you and I've talked about it before. I've

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<v Speaker 4>done at least two interviews with local media people Fox

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen and WCPO where we cloned a reporter's voice on

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<v Speaker 4>TV using free tools. This is very easy to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And then people will say, well, Gary Jeff, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>a celebrity like you, Gary Jeff, how would you get

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<v Speaker 4>my voice? And my simple answer is always, well, if

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<v Speaker 4>I call your phone number, do you have a voicemail greeting?

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<v Speaker 4>Because if the answer is yes, I can beat you

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<v Speaker 4>in less than an hour. Now, it may not be perfect,

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<v Speaker 4>but it might be good enough to fool your family

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<v Speaker 4>or to fool your coworkers. You know, if you're in

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<v Speaker 4>any sort of executive position, I strongly encourage you to

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<v Speaker 4>look into how prevalent these tools are. And you know

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<v Speaker 4>the first time we did the voice cloning, it was

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<v Speaker 4>with John Mattie, obviously a fairly well known person in

843
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<v Speaker 4>this area.

844
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Right.

845
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 4>I'm not exaggerating, Gary, Jeff when I tell you. He

846
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 4>showed up and at less than an hour I found

847
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 4>a free tool I'd never used before. I played around

848
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 4>with a little bit before he showed up. He came over,

849
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 4>he read the text they asked us to read so

850
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 4>it could record his voice, and at less than an hour,

851
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 4>you can watch me type in Hello, Grandma, this is John,

852
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 4>I need your help, hit a button and his voice

853
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 4>comes out my speakers. Well that was almost two years ago.

854
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.360
<v Speaker 4>The technology is way better now, and there have been

855
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.320
<v Speaker 4>well documented scams, some successful, some not, where millions of

856
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 4>dollars have been stolen because someone's boss authorized some sort

857
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 4>of transaction or something. And apparently there's at least one

858
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 4>documented case where it was done in a video so

859
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, these are people that are known to each other,

860
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 4>These are people that trust each other. Their voices, their

861
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 4>likenesses are being cloned. And yes, So my long winded

862
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 4>answer to your simple question is I believe these tools

863
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.199
<v Speaker 4>are going to only rapidly accelerate sure this type of

864
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 4>fraud because people don't understand that they're real and how

865
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 4>good they actually are already.

866
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, think about all of the technology that we are

867
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 1>talking about right now, as compared to five years ago.

868
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>It has been so rapid is it is exponentially faster

869
00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>every year? It seems that the technology is advancing incredible rate.

870
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have seen more technological changes in the

871
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>last one hundred years around the world than we saw, yes,

872
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>in the ten thousand years before that. And I'm not

873
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>joking about that. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Do you

874
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 1>think I'm exaggerating?

875
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 4>No, I think that's absolutely spot on, and I think

876
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 4>the rate will continue. I mean, barring some sort of

877
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 4>catastrophic event like a sun spot that wipes out all

878
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 4>of our electrical grid because it's not hardened against that

879
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.639
<v Speaker 4>sort of thing, or we get hit by a media

880
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 4>or something. I don't these things do come and fits

881
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 4>in spurts, and AI in particular has had You know,

882
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 4>it's not a new idea. It's been around for a

883
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 4>long time. There have been many cases in the past

884
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.599
<v Speaker 4>where there were rapid advancements and then it kind of

885
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.400
<v Speaker 4>peaked and kind of got stuck for a long period

886
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 4>of time. Yeah, so I can't say for sure we

887
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 4>won't see that sort of thing again. I don't think

888
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 4>it's going to wipe us out anytime soon. But you know,

889
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 4>it continues to accelerate rapidly. And I mean, if you

890
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.079
<v Speaker 4>want to see for yourself, just go try like grock,

891
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.679
<v Speaker 4>which is the x musk Ai and how good it is,

892
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, and these things continue to leap frog each other.

893
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 4>The more recent process said it's the best, something else

894
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 4>will probably be the best tomorrow open ais chat, GPT.

895
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 4>But it's wild what these things can do. And you know,

896
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 4>from a cybersecurity scam perspective, all the old school tells

897
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.360
<v Speaker 4>as well, I got an email and the grammar's bad

898
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.599
<v Speaker 4>and the punctuation is weird and the language just doesn't

899
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 4>seem right. That's all gone. The hackers can use these

900
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 4>things to craft personalized text, especially thanks to all the

901
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.519
<v Speaker 4>data leaks and breaches that have your information in them,

902
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 4>personalized text that can be used in the email, a

903
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.840
<v Speaker 4>text message, or whatever, and it won't have all those

904
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 4>red flags because they're using these tools to create pros

905
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 4>that make sense.

906
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 1>The Federal Bureau of Investigation once again with the warning

907
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>about ransomware and the warning of dangerous ransomware attacks, which

908
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 1>we know are increasing as well.

909
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 3>But what the FBI says.

910
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And you would probably concur about this one, Dave, is

911
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>if you've not backed up your stuff, do it. You

912
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>need to have some kind of safe backup, whether it's

913
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 1>in a cloud or whatever, everything, because everything you've got

914
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 1>online in your computer or in your phone could be

915
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>lost or locked up in an instant if you're a

916
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.639
<v Speaker 1>victim of a ransomware attack. So what is the best

917
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.679
<v Speaker 1>way to back up stuff so you can preserve it

918
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>in case your phone or your other computer is hacked.

919
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is also an especially important topic. You know,

920
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 4>when you see that the federal government warning people about

921
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 4>this sort of thing, you should take it seriously. I

922
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 4>can tell you know, from talking to lots of businesses,

923
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.199
<v Speaker 4>they're not really taking this as serious as they should.

924
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 4>I have firsthand knowledge of businesses in Cincinnati that after

925
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.760
<v Speaker 4>a ransomware attack were devastated, including at least one that

926
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 4>went out of business. Now, I can't guarantee you it

927
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 4>was entirely because of the ransomware attack, but I can

928
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.920
<v Speaker 4>tell you it completely crippled them. They had no idea

929
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.400
<v Speaker 4>who they who owed the money, who they had money to,

930
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.519
<v Speaker 4>They couldn't do payroll, and it was absolutely crippling. So

931
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 4>I again saw at firsthand with my own eyes ransomware.

932
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 4>It can be extremely devastating. And then there's this other

933
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 4>angle that's off them overlooked too, Gary Jeff. In some cases,

934
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 4>if your backup doesn't work for whatever reason, or you

935
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 4>don't have a backup, and you decide, well, I'm going

936
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.400
<v Speaker 4>to go out of business if I don't pay the ransom.

937
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 4>Depending on where that money's going, it might actually be

938
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 4>illegal for you to pay the ransom. You know, there

939
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 4>are certain countries you can't send money to. So there's

940
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 4>many wrinkles to this. And you know the first step

941
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 4>for business in particular is to have strong defenses that

942
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 4>reduce the likelihood of you getting a successful lampware a

943
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 4>ransomware attack. There are advanced there's nothing perfect, but you know,

944
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 4>through defense and depths, multiple layers of defense and advanced

945
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 4>anti virus flash input protection like senting to one, there's

946
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 4>a good likelihood you will be able to either block

947
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.440
<v Speaker 4>it outright or significantly reduce the impact, so you don't

948
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 4>have your whole business shutdown because everything's encrypted in none

949
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.679
<v Speaker 4>of your systems work. But you know the second step

950
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 4>and the most important step ultimately, because again I want

951
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 4>to be clear, there is nothing you can do to

952
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 4>make yourself absolutely bulletproof to this unless you're just you know,

953
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 4>a luddite out in a cabin somewhere like Ted Kaczinski.

954
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 4>The second thing is you have to have a business

955
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 4>continuity plan. I'm going to come back to the personal

956
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 4>thing if we have time, But as a business, there

957
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 4>are there are advanced tools out there. Things like Dato

958
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 4>and other vendors make advanced tools. Think of it like

959
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 4>an appliance, a special piece of hardware you bring into

960
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 4>your business. It creates images of your servers while they're running.

961
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 4>So whether it's a ransomware attack where the motherboard dies

962
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 4>or the hard disks go bad or whatever, usually within

963
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 4>minutes to hours at worst, you can run your business

964
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 4>off of that appliance. It's also encrypting and snapshotting your

965
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.760
<v Speaker 4>data out into their cloud. Now, again, Data is not

966
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 4>the only provider we've had very good luck with it.

967
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 4>There are others. In a worst case scenario, Gary Jeff,

968
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.559
<v Speaker 4>let's see you're building, it's sit by a tornado. You

969
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.360
<v Speaker 4>can run your servers out of their cloud for up

970
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.599
<v Speaker 4>to thirty days at no additional expense. Now, this is

971
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 4>not an inexpensive solution. A lot of people won't use

972
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:40.719
<v Speaker 4>it because it's not inexpensive, but it's a real significant

973
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 4>insurance policy to keep your business up or running because

974
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 4>it's not just making a backup of your data. A

975
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 4>lot of people have a backup, but then in a crisis,

976
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 4>will the backup restore If you're not testing that you

977
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.760
<v Speaker 4>can restore the backup, there's no guarantee to even work.

978
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 4>And it may even if you have a cloud based backup.

979
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 4>Right because there's something in the business called the backup

980
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 4>rule of three two three copies of your data on

981
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 4>two different media one off site backup rule of three

982
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 4>two one. You can look it up. Plenty of good

983
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 4>explanations out there, and you know, for an individual, yes,

984
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:15.360
<v Speaker 4>some sort of cloud based backup. You need encryption. You

985
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 4>need to make sure that you have a strong, unique

986
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.960
<v Speaker 4>password on that account, that you have multi factor authentication

987
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 4>turned on, because in a case like this poor guy

988
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.639
<v Speaker 4>from Disney, once they had all his passwords and could

989
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 4>get the MFA code, they could have potentially gone and

990
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 4>destroy his backups. I had a story. I don't know

991
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:33.800
<v Speaker 4>how much time we have left, but I can tell

992
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 4>you a real quick story, and it's kind of mind blowing.

993
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm given a presentation about cybersecurity and someone in the

994
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 4>audience raises their hand and this it just shows you

995
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 4>how sophisticated and smart the bad guys are. They raise

996
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 4>their hand like I got a story. I'm like, well,

997
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 4>it's here. It. Someone got into their environment, lurked around,

998
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 4>because in many cases in a business environment, they're gonna lurk.

999
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 4>It's called twell timed. They're gonna try to figure out

1000
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 4>where's the money. How can I get money out of use?

1001
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 4>I hate they Yeah, they figured out who they were

1002
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 4>using for backup this victim. They waited until right after

1003
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 4>a billing cycle and then canceled the backup. So this

1004
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 4>company thinks their data is being backed up out of

1005
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 4>some cloud vendor somewhere and they basically then wait until

1006
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 4>right near the end of a month, so that now

1007
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 4>they've lost the whole month's worth of data, drop ransomware

1008
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.639
<v Speaker 4>on them to increase the likelihood of pain because now

1009
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 4>they've lost a whole month's worth of their business data.

1010
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1011
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.440
<v Speaker 4>And you know, some businesses can recover from that. Some

1012
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 4>businesses can operate in a manual fashion. Some businesses aren't

1013
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 4>that reliant on technology. But you know, I would just

1014
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 4>ask you to ask people listening to the show who

1015
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 4>isn't dependent on this stuff now. So the good news

1016
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.960
<v Speaker 4>is there's never been more options for you as an

1017
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.039
<v Speaker 4>individual to back your data up, whether it's something like

1018
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 4>iCloud on your Apple phone or carbonite. You know, as

1019
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 4>a business, I can only tell you it's super critical

1020
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 4>to think about resiliency, to think about continuity as opposed

1021
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 4>to well, my brother as Alple's cousin, does my backup

1022
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 4>and they take a disk and swap it around or whatever.

1023
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 4>That might work, It might not who knows. In a crisis,

1024
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.199
<v Speaker 4>even if it works, it could take hours, days or

1025
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:14.719
<v Speaker 4>weeks to put things back. Versus the advanced business continuity

1026
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 4>solutions like DATO that are out there again, not cheap,

1027
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 4>but can give you a very very high level of

1028
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 4>confidence that in a crisis, for whatever reason, you will

1029
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.920
<v Speaker 4>at least be able to continue operating your business while

1030
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.280
<v Speaker 4>you figure out what to do next.

1031
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, just go back to a cash registered, cash

1032
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 1>only business, get yourself a landline, and leave the rest

1033
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of the world alone.

1034
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 3>It's the only way it's with save us all.

1035
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 1>We're going to go back to plows and you know

1036
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 1>anyway plows years.

1037
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.079
<v Speaker 4>Uh will ink will and quill pens on.

1038
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Papyrus, all right, and real quickly as we finished, Dave Hatter,

1039
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 1>this is something we talked about a little bit on

1040
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Saturday morning.

1041
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Just one more reminder for people.

1042
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>If you get a text on your phone and it

1043
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>says that you own that you owe a fair or

1044
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 1>a fee or a toll, don't answer, just disregard it.

1045
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 3>Wait for a letter in the mail.

1046
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.079
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, you know, Gary, Jeff Wright. It's very easy

1047
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 4>to spoof a phone number, because the phone system was

1048
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.880
<v Speaker 4>designed at a time where that wasn't a concern. Whether

1049
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 4>it's a voice call or a text message, it is

1050
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 4>very easy to spoof a phone number to make a

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<v Speaker 4>call or send a text from a number that looks legitimate. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 4>as a hacker, you can go online right now and

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<v Speaker 4>find websites that we'll let you test this where you

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<v Speaker 4>can make a phone call or send a text from

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<v Speaker 4>any phone number you want. You type in the number,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, even if you get a text that

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<v Speaker 4>looks like it came from a legitimate number you recognize.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is a feature Apple Who's built in which

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<v Speaker 4>I think is very handy from a security perspective, and

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<v Speaker 4>these toll things try to tell you how to get

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<v Speaker 4>around it. You know, when you get a text on

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<v Speaker 4>an app that has a link in it, something you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to click to go pay your fee or whatever

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00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:06.920
<v Speaker 4>it is, they're trying to social engineer you into. If

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't recognize that number and the number is not

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<v Speaker 4>your context, the link will not be activated, right, And

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<v Speaker 4>they tell you in the text, oh, you know, click

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<v Speaker 4>hit yes to reply to this message and then reopen

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<v Speaker 4>the message to click the link. They're actually trying to

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<v Speaker 4>tell you how to get around the security features built

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<v Speaker 4>into the Apple Phone to prevent the very thing they

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<v Speaker 4>want you to do. So, yeah, you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>a text from the IRS and you owe taxes or

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<v Speaker 4>the handlin the county sheriff's coming to get you for

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<v Speaker 4>unpaid parking fees, you a toll or whatever. Government agencies

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<v Speaker 4>are not legitimate. Government agencies are not going to send

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<v Speaker 4>you a text telling you to do something like this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost always a scam. These scammers are increasingly targeting

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<v Speaker 4>phones because more and more people use text and it's

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<v Speaker 4>very hard from the naked eye to look at a

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<v Speaker 4>text and then whether it's legitimate or not, both the

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<v Speaker 4>phone number and any links in it. So yeah, your

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<v Speaker 4>best at is just delete it, don't reply to it,

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<v Speaker 4>don't add the phone number to your contacts, because that

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<v Speaker 4>creates more likelihood you might click on a bogus link.

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<v Speaker 4>Delete it, and then if you think it might be

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<v Speaker 4>legit on your own, go to the web, look that

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<v Speaker 4>organization up and go from there. You're going to see

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<v Speaker 4>more and more of these text based scams, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Dave Patter, thank you as always for the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very enlightening and very frightening all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Dave's document dumped from the weekend on the Nightcap

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW