Speaker 1: For a little bit of a conversation our friend the
Speaker 1: fur Ball, Andy Furman, who is being chauffeured around tonight
Speaker 1: as he scouts for women on the streets of wherever,
Speaker 1: Florence or Kevington, wherever he's going. Andrew, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm not scouting. I found one, Oh, beautiful young lady.
Speaker 2: Vice president of the Point Douk Leslie Victis is kind
Speaker 2: enough to take me around. She has shuttle me around.
Speaker 3: Now she's the vice president.
Speaker 4: Head.
Speaker 1: You're a head of pr How do you rate to
Speaker 1: have the vice president as your chauffeur?
Speaker 2: Andy? She pities me, she feels for me, she does.
Speaker 2: She knows I'm helpless. You know me. I'm a helpless guy.
Speaker 2: But can we get on with this please? I got
Speaker 2: things to do with people to me.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you want to talk about? You said
Speaker 3: you had things that you thought about.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Bengals in a different
Speaker 2: sort of vein right now. Okay, the last several days
Speaker 2: all I hear about is t Higgins. Everybody feels sorry
Speaker 2: for because he's only going to make twenty six million
Speaker 2: dollars and he's been slammed with the tag. Okay, and
Speaker 2: here's my problem. I have a real, real problem with
Speaker 2: the public, especially media people. I'm gonna throw names out
Speaker 2: in a few minutes that go on the radio behind
Speaker 2: microphones that criticize Mike Brown about how much money he
Speaker 2: should spend. You know what, no other business does the
Speaker 2: public tell anybody how much money they should spend. I
Speaker 2: think they should just back off. You know what, Mike
Speaker 2: Brown should spend as much or as little as he
Speaker 2: wants to spend, and that's it. Don't be criticized. And
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll mention the name Austin Elmore. I
Speaker 2: happen to tune him on the other day and I
Speaker 2: see him on Twitter or x whatever the hell you
Speaker 2: want to call it. He goes nothing to Mike Brown
Speaker 2: because he's slapped T Higgins only twenty six mil. Hey, Austin,
Speaker 2: how much money do you make public with that? Okay?
Speaker 2: Not seriously, I'm tired of the public for rating not
Speaker 2: only my problem with every single owner in sports telling
Speaker 2: people how much they should spend. You know what, do
Speaker 2: you tell the owner of P and GP and GM
Speaker 2: CEO how much he should spend? No, it's only in sports,
Speaker 2: So just back off. I got it off my chest.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: You know what's really ironic and funny about that whole thing.
Speaker 1: You're tuning into Austin Elmore and he's going nuts on
Speaker 1: how much Mike Brown is going to spend on T Higgins.
Speaker 1: And your original point, Andy, to that there is no
Speaker 1: one in the public that thinks Austin Elmore should get
Speaker 1: paid more.
Speaker 2: Nobody right, you know, but Austin Elmore should be concerned
Speaker 2: how much he should make and then he should bang
Speaker 2: on the CEO's door for iHeartMedia to worry about himself
Speaker 2: and not T Higgins. T Higgins is going to look
Speaker 2: very nicely making twenty six million dollars. And you know what,
Speaker 2: here's the funny thing. I don't hear te Higgins upset.
Speaker 2: You know the fact that you've got slapped it with
Speaker 2: his head with a franchise head and obviously he's going
Speaker 2: to get it in a bout a week or so.
Speaker 2: I don't hear him complaining. He's not complaining, really, Andy,
Speaker 2: six millions. He'll still be able to go to Arby's
Speaker 2: a couple of times a.
Speaker 1: Week, Andy, cumulatively in your career and I don't work
Speaker 1: for the irs, how much do you think you've made
Speaker 1: possibly a total of twenty six million dollars in your
Speaker 1: entire adult work on life.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think I have. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's a good question. I'll look it up. Maybe I'll
Speaker 2: try to add that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think maybe I might have made over the
Speaker 1: course of forty years plus, I might have made a
Speaker 1: couple of million dollars total, really total over that time.
Speaker 2: That's great that no one, no one cares, no one cares,
Speaker 2: and no one's complaining about it. But in sports, stay
Speaker 2: do and I don't look. I get it. You could.
Speaker 2: You could compare athletes saying that Joe Burrow should make
Speaker 2: more money than a quarterback or whatever. Okay, throw a
Speaker 2: name out there, and I get it, that's okay, he
Speaker 2: should make more money. But to go on and rant
Speaker 2: and rave and say, hey, Mike Brown, stick your hand
Speaker 2: in your while, Hey, that's book. That's wrong. I think
Speaker 2: it's I think it's rude. I honestly think it's rude
Speaker 2: to tell somebody how much he suspends.
Speaker 3: There is there is you spend.
Speaker 2: More money, spend more money on your clothes. You buy
Speaker 2: your clothes at CVS. How's that.
Speaker 3: You don't know where he buys his clothes.
Speaker 2: The books like he bought at CVS.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get off of Austin Elmore here for.
Speaker 2: Just a moment, spiking of football, picking the football and
Speaker 2: contractual obligations. Here, Matthew Stafford was rumored to go to
Speaker 2: the Raiders because they had a kind of secretive meeting
Speaker 2: with Tom Brady, who basically is a Minori owner of
Speaker 2: the Raiders in Las Vegas, and then went back and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now Matthew Stafford's staying with the Rams,
Speaker 2: which obviously we knew who was a poy to get
Speaker 2: more money. But here's the deal with Matthew Stafford. Can
Speaker 2: you never hear from them? All I do is here
Speaker 2: from Kelly Stafford, his wife. Well, you back off, Kelly.
Speaker 2: I want to hear from Matthew. Really, he must be
Speaker 2: whed pretty good at home. Now think about it. What
Speaker 2: was the last time you heard from Matthew Stafford. It's
Speaker 2: all Kelly Stafford. She's always complaining and seeing how you'd
Speaker 2: love to live here. When he left the Detroit Lions
Speaker 2: to go to la it was Kelly Stafford at the
Speaker 2: news conference. It was Kelly Stafford who's basically saying we
Speaker 2: can't wait to move to LA. I want to here
Speaker 2: for Matthew. Matthew, come on, really, I mean so that
Speaker 2: I got that off my chest. Well here here.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Matthew Stafford gets a word in
Speaker 1: edgewise at home effort?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't sound like maybe Kelly is secretly his agent.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be keeping it all in the family.
Speaker 1: That way they keep all the money.
Speaker 2: They don't commerce with those beds, you know, with the
Speaker 2: with the heating thing where you could turn the matches
Speaker 2: up and threw them in the bed. He doesn't say
Speaker 2: a word. He doesn't say a word the commercial really,
Speaker 2: I mean coming you know what, let's just need to
Speaker 2: hear that. There's my take and take on it.
Speaker 1: Do you say, do you think that Matthew Stafford is
Speaker 1: afraid of his wife Andy as you are afraid of yours?
Speaker 2: And look, well I'm afraid of mine. But I know
Speaker 2: the way. Yeah it does, it really does. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Ufl comment on this. It's great. I love it.
Speaker 3: Well, No, I'm taking it all in.
Speaker 1: I'm absorbing like a sponge the information or the dissertations
Speaker 1: that you're throwing at me and I'm trying to come
Speaker 1: up with some kind of reason the big ward.
Speaker 2: Stop using that. Don't impress me with the ten.
Speaker 1: Words, And so what I what I gleaned? No, I
Speaker 1: didn't drop out of high school. I graduated classes seventy
Speaker 1: nine Hendersonville High School, Hendersonville, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Was honored to get out though.
Speaker 1: No, no, no GRADU graduated on time. And then I
Speaker 1: then I attended a year of what I call thirteenth
Speaker 1: grade volunteer State Community College and got a fine higher
Speaker 1: education in that fine facility, which has expanded and grown.
Speaker 3: Over the years.
Speaker 2: Don't be so guilty about your education. It's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not guilty about it at all.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: The defective run run rings around you in a spelling bee,
Speaker 1: Andy Furman, I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2: Check on my computer. I don't need it, all right.
Speaker 1: So I have a couple of responses to the two
Speaker 1: things you brought up. If you'd like to hear them,
Speaker 1: shut up. If you wouldn't, please continue to blather on.
Speaker 1: I like it when you blaw her on because it
Speaker 1: fills the time, and I don't have your work that hard.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go all right. First thing, on people complaining
Speaker 1: about t. Higgins not getting signed to a bigger country.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the eleventh highest paid wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the NFL with the franchise tag of twenty six
Speaker 1: plus million.
Speaker 3: Uh. Here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: The only team where you could not make this argument
Speaker 1: in the entire National Football League is the green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers because the people of Green Bay own that team collectively, right, so.
Speaker 2: They do they have no say Look they have you
Speaker 2: know what, it's just a thing that can hang on
Speaker 2: their walls saying they own stock in the club. They
Speaker 2: have they do.
Speaker 1: They do own stock, They own stock, they own the team.
Speaker 2: You're right, they own stuck. But they have no say
Speaker 2: so in personnel r But they should.
Speaker 1: They should have every They have every reason to expect
Speaker 1: to say so. If you're a part owner in the franchise, Andy,
Speaker 1: and they would.
Speaker 2: Have yeahs, Packers.
Speaker 1: Fans actually should be in charge of what kind of
Speaker 1: cheese is sold at the concession stands of Green Bay games,
Speaker 1: and and maybe someone in the player salaries and management.
Speaker 1: But no, you're right, it's Mike Brown is the owner.
Speaker 1: The Brown family is the owner of the Bengals, and
Speaker 1: they will spend the money where they deem it best
Speaker 1: spent or they won't spend it at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are their money?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: I don't tell you to buy a new refrigerator, do I?
Speaker 2: I mean, really, if you own money, do what you
Speaker 2: want to do. If you want to put it in
Speaker 2: the bank, I'll put on your mattress. I don't care.
Speaker 2: I really, really, people kick off Mike Brown's money.
Speaker 1: Andy, We really need a new refrigerator. The one we've
Speaker 1: got at the house is getting really old. Have you
Speaker 1: got a spare? I mean you probably have one of those.
Speaker 1: You probably have one of those fancy twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi fridges filled with gourmet ice cream at your house.
Speaker 3: I know how you live.
Speaker 2: It's nasty Pelosi autograph too.
Speaker 1: Really, that wouldn't surprise me either, So and and and
Speaker 1: the other thing that you brought up, which I forgot now.
Speaker 3: Because we've been talking and talk, what was the second thing?
Speaker 2: That's what happens at old days, That's what happens with
Speaker 2: old age. It really does you talk about Mike Brown's
Speaker 2: Green Bay package, the whole deal.
Speaker 1: I remember what you said, Oh no, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember the second thing after the T Higgins rant that
Speaker 1: you went on and people at being.
Speaker 2: There elems highest wide out in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: That's what you said.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I know you remember what I said.
Speaker 1: I don't remember everything you said. That's my point. Listen,
Speaker 1: I need I need to collect myself for a moment.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: continue this, all right, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to continue. I got something new.
Speaker 1: Well, you have this to do for the next few minutes.
Speaker 1: Hang on more more with the fur ball in just
Speaker 1: a moment on the abbreviated nightcap after Red's baseball on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w l W. I'm too recoup and regain
Speaker 1: my mental faculties. And remember that you were talking about
Speaker 1: how Matthew Stafford never speaks in public, whether it's about
Speaker 1: a contract to remove or anything to do with Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford's career. His wife, Kelly Stafford, appears to be the
Speaker 1: de facto spokesperson for that family, and I think that
Speaker 1: is perfectly fine. Women talk more than men anyway, generally,
Speaker 1: except it's except with you.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, No.
Speaker 2: I don't know any other wife speaking for their husband.
Speaker 2: But that's okay if he wanted that way. But I'm
Speaker 2: going to do you a favor because I do have
Speaker 2: a lot of respects to you. You're a good friend
Speaker 2: of mine. I am buying you a case this stuff
Speaker 2: called prevalence of the brain. Have you seen those commercials
Speaker 2: on TV? It helps your brain so you don't forget stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, So have you seen the commercials? Right?
Speaker 3: My wife?
Speaker 1: My wife actually ordered some prevagen to start and she
Speaker 1: said it didn't work, so just never mind.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it's a puny thing, but you know
Speaker 2: it's a mental thing that do you think it's good?
Speaker 2: So you'll be better? Eat carrots and some vegetables to
Speaker 2: be better. I've got something else here, all right?
Speaker 3: What else? What else you got on the plate?
Speaker 2: I can't be wasting the vice president's time. All right,
Speaker 2: here's the deal. Lebron James came out the other day
Speaker 2: and some lunatic reporter asked him, how does it feel
Speaker 2: to be the face of the NBA. He's been around
Speaker 2: twenty plus years, and I guess he is the face.
Speaker 2: I thought Steph Curry may have been the face, but
Speaker 2: I guess he's the face. So they said, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the face, And they said, well, who's
Speaker 2: going to take your place after you retire as the
Speaker 2: face of the NBA. So he threw out the name
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, the ant mass and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they questioned the ant and he says, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be the face. And Bill Bron says, you
Speaker 2: know what, he's smart. You know why because all media people,
Speaker 2: people that cover the NBA are negative. Negative. Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: are you out of your freaking mind. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. I was an intern in the National Basketball
Speaker 2: Social I worked with the Knicks nineteen seventy three. When
Speaker 2: they want to old these media people, not only are
Speaker 2: they're not negative, they're form. These players they look up
Speaker 2: and they kissed their rear end for fear of being
Speaker 2: eliminated and taking their press credentials away. That's why they
Speaker 2: do it. They just don't want to be just taken
Speaker 2: away from from the fund, the inside, the inner circle. Look,
Speaker 2: he does another thing. Lebron doesn't seem to understand. Some
Speaker 2: of the media guys that do the most criticism are
Speaker 2: full of players to Quille O'Neal. Okay, Kenny the Jet,
Speaker 2: he does that too, and of course Charles Barkley. These
Speaker 2: guys that do it on that TV show Inside the NBA,
Speaker 2: they played the game, they're Hall of Famous. They criticized
Speaker 2: and I don't think there's anything wrong with criticizing a
Speaker 2: player on his play. Now you want to get personal,
Speaker 2: I think that's wrong. Getting personal is wrong. I've heard
Speaker 2: some people talk about Lebron and know when his kid Browny, No, no,
Speaker 2: stay away from the personal stuff, or he would criticize how.
Speaker 1: A guy plays, Or the fact that when Lebron was
Speaker 1: with the Cavs, his mother was allegedly sleeping with the teammate.
Speaker 3: You know, don't We don't need to go into that.
Speaker 2: You're right, I don't think that's the story. I mean,
Speaker 2: allegedly it happened. But I don't think it's just I
Speaker 2: don't think guys pertains to anything. I think the guys
Speaker 2: a hell of a player or one of the great Or.
Speaker 1: The fact or the fact that Lebron was driving around
Speaker 1: a forty thousand dollars hummer when he was a senior
Speaker 1: in a high school in Akron before he signed a contract.
Speaker 2: Would you see you you're a dirt slinger, You sling dirt.
Speaker 2: I would not do that. I would never I agree
Speaker 2: with you. It should.
Speaker 1: It should be all about his play on the court
Speaker 1: and none of this parishial stuff.
Speaker 2: I think the media people today have the tendency of
Speaker 2: hiding behind the microphone. What do I mean by that?
Speaker 2: You need to show your face. You want to criticize somebody,
Speaker 2: just all well and good. And I did that. I did.
Speaker 2: I remember one time I said something about Ken Griffy
Speaker 2: Junior that he wasn't playing. I didn't know he was hurt.
Speaker 2: I went down to the locker room. The next thing
Speaker 2: he got in my face. I had to eat a
Speaker 2: bowl of you know what, and you know what. We
Speaker 2: made up after that. We were friends. Okay, it was okay,
Speaker 2: everything was good. You know, you gotta go and show
Speaker 2: your face. And Tom Browning, may he rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Tom Browning wrote a book and in the book he
Speaker 2: put him he put my name in. He put a
Speaker 2: little bit of a chapter in there saying that he
Speaker 2: respected me. He didn't like what I said time to time,
Speaker 2: many times, but he respected the fact that I always
Speaker 2: showed up in the locker room the clubhouse right after
Speaker 2: the next day, because I did that extra ding show
Speaker 2: on seven hundred and the next day. I'd always go
Speaker 2: down to the locker room before the game, and I
Speaker 2: see the guys are good, better and different. You gotta
Speaker 2: face the music, you're gonna say it, you gotta show
Speaker 2: your face. Well, a lot of guys don't do that.
Speaker 2: They go what I call the microphone muscles now, hide
Speaker 2: behind the microphone. They're real tough, but they won't show
Speaker 2: their face. Pretty tough to go out there in front
Speaker 2: of twenty five guys and need a bowl of you know,
Speaker 2: watch And I've done that many times at Rob bibble
Speaker 2: with Ken Griffy Jr. It happens, that's part of the deal.
Speaker 1: One thing Andy I will say about you and knowing
Speaker 1: you for all these years, is you're a very brave guy.
Speaker 1: You will get out there and you'll stand behind your
Speaker 1: story no matter how it's received in the public.
Speaker 3: I get all that.
Speaker 1: And I think you're also very brave for being on
Speaker 1: the radio with me every week because we never know
Speaker 1: how this is going to turn out, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like walking a tightrope without a net essentially for you.
Speaker 2: Let me look at at this. I'm not brave by
Speaker 2: any means, but you know why I used to show
Speaker 2: up because I knew there would be confrontation. And I
Speaker 2: knew confrontation would lead to a story. And if I
Speaker 2: went down to the locker room and Ken Griffith gets
Speaker 2: in my face and a TV camera is there, it's
Speaker 2: a story, all right. So it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 2: I apologize, but at the same time I get some
Speaker 2: pub out of it. That's why I went all right, So.
Speaker 1: You're just a pot storer. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: And as far as you know, I say some controversial
Speaker 1: things on this program, I have and I you.
Speaker 2: Know what, no one listens to your show, so it
Speaker 2: never happens. That's the problem. No one listens. If you
Speaker 2: have some ratings, you know, maybe people will know who
Speaker 2: the hell Gary Jeff Walker is. I'm doing you a
Speaker 2: favorite and.
Speaker 3: Right and Andy, this show has ratings?
Speaker 2: Really cool? Yeah, prove it, Uran, you'uran when most of
Speaker 2: America is sleeping, really they're getting ready for work tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I love you, I do firstus. You know what, you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be worried about Mike Brown's wallet. You should be
Speaker 2: worried about your future. I'll bang on the general manager's
Speaker 2: door and say you want a different time play.
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm gonna do that? You think that
Speaker 1: will work, Andy really want, I'll.
Speaker 2: Do it for you. Okay, just walking deserves better, You
Speaker 2: deserve better. Yeah, you can be done in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: You've already you've already been fired once you go ahead
Speaker 1: and make that leap.
Speaker 3: And we just already covered that. You're a brave guy.
Speaker 2: So anybody at radio is anything gets fired you want
Speaker 2: to talk about.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about being brave and showing your
Speaker 1: face and not having mic muscles. I am the poster
Speaker 1: child for that. I bartend in front of the public
Speaker 1: three days a week, sometimes four, and after I've said
Speaker 1: the things I've said on the radio, and yes, people
Speaker 1: do listen. And just because the shows on this time
Speaker 1: of night, the podcasts are well received. In fact, most
Speaker 1: people consume this program via podcast a little bit later
Speaker 1: on when at their convenience, which is I am. I
Speaker 1: am there for everyone at their convenience.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I know you.
Speaker 1: The Nightcap is not on from nine to midnight. It's
Speaker 1: on any time you want to listen at seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW dot com or on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: I know you're at Huddles in Newport, right, and there's
Speaker 2: going to be an anniversary there the.
Speaker 1: Fifteenth of March March Saturday, March fifteenth. The group picture
Speaker 1: occurs at one o'clock. Make sure you're there and show
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 2: Andy Furman, are you going to put me in the
Speaker 2: group picture?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: I will?
Speaker 1: I want you in the group picture. Last year you
Speaker 1: just did a drive by and you didn't stick around.
Speaker 1: But one o'clock we have We'll have Jim Lebarber there.
Speaker 1: We'll have last last year we had Dusty Rhoades of
Speaker 1: all people there at the and took the group picture.
Speaker 1: We had the gang from Ripley, Ohio, Doug and the
Speaker 1: Green Hornet Sherry. Donald Trump was there. In fact, I've
Speaker 1: still got this seven foot cardboard cutout in my living
Speaker 1: room at home. It was a it was quite a
Speaker 1: group picture, Andy, and it wouldn't be complete without the
Speaker 1: fur face right there in the middle next to me.
Speaker 2: Speaking of complete, it will be complete now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, do you do? You feel complete? I do?
Speaker 2: And I have to go to the restroom to be honest.
Speaker 2: You know, today.
Speaker 1: Andy, you complete me. And by the way, thanks to Leslie,
Speaker 1: the vice president of the Point Arc, for chauffeuring you
Speaker 1: during this conversation.
Speaker 3: I man, they.
Speaker 2: Must really like that, so I do I love Andy.
Speaker 5: I don't know where I would be with all the.
Speaker 2: Well, stop it, he's amazing. Stop it.
Speaker 1: All right, you got you go pee or do whatever
Speaker 1: you've got to do, Andy, and we will hopefully resurrect
Speaker 1: this conversation next week. I've got full shows next week
Speaker 1: without Red's Baseball, so I will expect you to come
Speaker 1: with your a game as you always do, next Tuesday night.
Speaker 3: Andy.
Speaker 1: People look forward to this. I mean they plan their
Speaker 1: days around this, or they just listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: whenever the heck they want to.
Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: All right, good day, Andy, love you too, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we have Todd Bensman from the Center for
Speaker 1: Immigration Studies and also Dave Hatter. Before midnight, as we
Speaker 1: trod on in abbreviated nightcap fashion after red Spring Training
Speaker 1: Baseball here at to the Home of the Reds seven
Speaker 1: hundred w l W, officially into our one hour nightcap
Speaker 1: after Reds Baseball on seven hundred WLW, the Home of
Speaker 1: the Reds. Gary Jeff with you and President Trump's speech
Speaker 1: just concluded here a little while ago, the address to
Speaker 1: the Joint Session of Congress. I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: too far into that tonight, I will leave it to
Speaker 1: others to dissect and figure out everything that the President
Speaker 1: said and the reactions of the Democrats and the Republicans.
Speaker 1: I thought it was very entertaining, but will let everybody
Speaker 1: else suit their narrative. It is what it is. As
Speaker 1: my friend Tracy Jones used to say, there is more
Speaker 1: news about the assassination attempt on President Trump. Back on
Speaker 1: July thirteenth, in Butler, Pennsylvania, a guy named Doug Hagman,
Speaker 1: who was a private investigator in Pennsylvania, says he doesn't
Speaker 1: think that the would be assassin was working alone. Instead,
Speaker 1: he alleges that the skinny crazy Kid was part of
Speaker 1: an organized criminal network that may still be operational. And
Speaker 1: many of us have posed or positive that, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: assassination attempts on President Trump are certainly not over because
Speaker 1: the deep State and our enemies abroad really want him gone.
Speaker 1: Here's a quote from Hagman. We don't think he acted alone.
Speaker 1: This took a lot of coordination. In my view, Crooks
Speaker 1: was handled by more than one individual and was used
Speaker 1: for this assassination attempt. And I wouldn't preclude the possibility
Speaker 1: that there were people at the rally itself helping him.
Speaker 1: Hagman was telling reporters that he and six other investigators
Speaker 1: have conducted over one hundred interviews since the July thirteenth shooting.
Speaker 1: Their conclusion the assassination attempt required significant coordination and planning,
Speaker 1: He says, I find it deeply troubling that this isn't
Speaker 1: front page news everywhere. But again, should we really be
Speaker 1: surprised about this? When it comes to President Trump and
Speaker 1: the mainstream media, they seem allergic to any story that
Speaker 1: might validate conservative concerns about threats to our leadership in
Speaker 1: this country. This is a report from the Patriot Journal.
Speaker 1: I believe give the proper accreditation here to this story.
Speaker 1: An article by James Conrad. Anyway, the writer goes on
Speaker 1: perhaps most disturbing as Hagman's claim about electronic evidence. Location
Speaker 1: data from devices geolocated with the shooter at multiple points
Speaker 1: leading up to the shooting do not add up. He
Speaker 1: said in their investigation, at least one device that was
Speaker 1: with the shooter that day is allegedly still pinging at
Speaker 1: a local high school.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense to you? Now?
Speaker 1: The FBI, for their part, so far, has been stonewalling
Speaker 1: this private investigation I'm sure they have their reasons, but
Speaker 1: Hagman claims the FBI may be deliberately withholding crucial information
Speaker 1: about the case. He said, one can assist in an
Speaker 1: operation like this by o missioners standing down. There are
Speaker 1: people still out there involved in this case that need
Speaker 1: to be brought to justice. So Matthew Crooks, when he
Speaker 1: was lay dead on that roof after Secret Service finally
Speaker 1: took him out, he was only a piece of this puzzle.
Speaker 1: This guy also alleges that security personnel or federal agents
Speaker 1: repeatedly blocked his team's investigation efforts. This pattern of obstruction
Speaker 1: raises serious questions about what the FBI might be hiding.
Speaker 1: I thought we were in a brand new era of transparency, right. Well,
Speaker 1: everything from the Trump administration has been abundantly clear, most
Speaker 1: of them fulfilling campaign promises that the President made on
Speaker 1: the trail. But the writer of this story says, we've
Speaker 1: seen this movie before, haven't we. The same FBI that
Speaker 1: chased Russian collusion fantasies for years suddenly has no interest
Speaker 1: in thoroughly investigating an actual assassination attempt against President Trump.
Speaker 1: And there's a Republican reped down in Louisiana named Higgins,
Speaker 1: it's part of the story, who served on the bipartisan
Speaker 1: task force investigating the assassination attempt confirmed the FBI hindered
Speaker 1: his investigation though he believed that the shooter acted alone.
Speaker 1: And all this does is raise more questions and the
Speaker 1: answer seemed more elusive than ever. But this Pennsylvania investigative
Speaker 1: team says there's no way that Matthew Crooks did this
Speaker 1: all by himself, and there may have been people assisting
Speaker 1: him there at the rally that day July thirteenth, when
Speaker 1: the president was almost taken out in front of the world.
Speaker 1: We shall see where it goes. Where are all the
Speaker 1: illegals going? A lot of them are going home to
Speaker 1: talk about this. Our friend Todd Bensman for the Center
Speaker 1: for Immigration Studies is just ahead. We'll also have Dave
Speaker 1: Hatter before midnight. Thanks for being with us again after
Speaker 1: spring training baseball. Spring training been pretty exciting so far.
Speaker 1: There's cause for optimism, hope, springs eternal, and all of that.
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA. We'll see what happens when the regular
Speaker 1: season begins, and the injury report will obviously as it
Speaker 1: does every year for every team play a significant role
Speaker 1: in what happens with your red legs. Anyway, Todd Bensman
Speaker 1: coming up next on seven hundred WLW. Apparently having some
Speaker 1: troubles get a hold of Todd Bensman now from the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies. Todd Beniman joins us, we'll get
Speaker 1: next few minutes on this night conversation that you and
Speaker 1: I have been talking about immigration, and you've been doing
Speaker 1: it a lot longer than you and I've been talking
Speaker 1: about it. But we've been doing this for about seven years,
Speaker 1: and guests, I've always been just the person that I
Speaker 1: look to to find the real story on what's going
Speaker 1: on with immigration in this country.
Speaker 3: It's your job.
Speaker 1: CIS dot org if anybody wants to check out Todd's work,
Speaker 1: and you'll see him pop up other places on Fox
Speaker 1: News or on any other TV outlet and in publications.
Speaker 1: But Todd, welcome back to the show. How are you
Speaker 1: doing in the era of Trump and the closed border?
Speaker 6: Well, I have to admit that I'm a little wistful
Speaker 6: about losing my greatest story ever.
Speaker 5: I mean, it feels kind of like.
Speaker 6: My my favorite dog just died or something, right, But
Speaker 6: I know it's good for the country, and for sure
Speaker 6: the border is all but hermetically sealed. Now, nobody's coming
Speaker 6: across it in any kind of number. In fact, I
Speaker 6: think the numbers are of illegal crossings are down to
Speaker 6: about below three hundred a day border length, which we
Speaker 6: haven't seen since maybe the early nineteen sixties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in most places, in most places, from the stories
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, we're down ninety to ninety five percent along
Speaker 1: our southern border. Now the border with Canada, which Canada
Speaker 1: has made some promises to tidy up, is allowing some
Speaker 1: fentanyl and some illegal people to get through. They're circumventing
Speaker 1: their original trip. What's the situation at our northern border, Todd.
Speaker 5: Well, the numbers are down there too.
Speaker 6: The Canadians have put extra forces out there and extra
Speaker 6: you know, surveillance and technology. But most importantly is what
Speaker 6: happened on the US side, which is policies that that
Speaker 6: completely ban any sort of release of an illegal border
Speaker 6: crosser into the country. Nobody who is caught crossing is
Speaker 6: being released into the country under any circumstance, as far
Speaker 6: as I can tell them. That's really always been the
Speaker 6: key two to the whole problem of illegal crossings. You're
Speaker 6: you're always going to have people trying to.
Speaker 5: Run and hide.
Speaker 6: Uh, you're you're you're never going to not have that.
Speaker 6: But the big question is what do we do with
Speaker 6: them when we catch them or if we do catch
Speaker 6: them in the interior. And the answer is we expel
Speaker 6: We detain all of them no matter what, and do
Speaker 6: not ever let them out and expel them quickly over
Speaker 6: the border if we can, and if not, put them
Speaker 6: into deportation proceedings and actually deport them physically deport them
Speaker 6: to their home countries by error. So that's the big
Speaker 6: difference if you're a migrant and you're you're looking at
Speaker 6: that your staying home.
Speaker 1: Well, plus the incentives have been removed, and uh on
Speaker 1: top of it, thanks thanks thanks to Doze and President Trump.
Speaker 1: What's going on with all of these handouts to illegals
Speaker 1: in this country, whether it be housing. They just closed
Speaker 1: the Roosevelt Hill Hotel in New York City today.
Speaker 6: Right, all the spigots, all the federal bigots, that's all
Speaker 6: that's all shut down. And so you know, whatever is
Speaker 6: left in the pipeline, I'm sure it will get spent.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: But they're you know, they're the incentives to you know
Speaker 6: you're an immigrant. You we let you in at the border.
Speaker 6: You're in Chicago within a day or two taking selfies,
Speaker 6: and you know, you're in a a fancy hotel or
Speaker 6: you're being put up in a house, all your bills
Speaker 6: paid for, and you're sending those selfies and all that
Speaker 6: information back to the home village, and they're emptying out,
Speaker 6: of course to come get the same thing. It's like
Speaker 6: an unbelievable thing that we did. It's like chumming the
Speaker 6: waters or throwing corn, throwing corn out in the field.
Speaker 6: Of course you're going to get the deer will come,
Speaker 6: you know. So that's all over all together, you know,
Speaker 6: putting those things in place. It took about an hour
Speaker 6: to close the borders, quite unlike what we were hearing
Speaker 6: all throughout the campaign, which is we need this complex
Speaker 6: Senate bipartisan bill that Trump killed, and if only Trump
Speaker 6: hadn't killed that, we'd have we would have ended this thing.
Speaker 1: We had that well, I mean, the great, the great
Speaker 1: Key Todd was not more legislation, not a new law.
Speaker 1: President Trump just followed the federal immigration law that was
Speaker 1: already on the books, which Joe Biden could have done
Speaker 1: at any time By Executive Order and Tom Holman, Man,
Speaker 1: what a bulldog this guy is. I mean, he is
Speaker 1: working with ICE all across the country to root out
Speaker 1: the criminal illegal aliens. And I have some problems by
Speaker 1: just getting one subset as criminal criminal illegal aliens. If
Speaker 1: you've entered this country illegally, you are technically a criminal
Speaker 1: according to the law, regardless of whether you've committed crimes
Speaker 1: other than coming into our country illegally, breaking and entering
Speaker 1: basically as a foreign criminal trespasser. You have been on
Speaker 1: the border, over the border. You've you've been to Central
Speaker 1: and South America in your quest to find out where
Speaker 1: these people were coming from and how they were getting here.
Speaker 1: You've interviewed coyotes and cartel members at some points. There
Speaker 1: is report now that they are I heard the report
Speaker 1: this morning that there are great convoys that are turning
Speaker 1: around at the Darien Gap and they're not crossing now
Speaker 1: because they know the border is closed. It's really simple,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 5: It's so simple, and it always was. It was always there.
Speaker 6: We never needed a comprehensive immigration reform or don't you know,
Speaker 6: the border was never broken.
Speaker 5: None of that stuff was ever true.
Speaker 6: It was just that the prior administration wanted to bring
Speaker 6: in as many people as they possibly could, and they
Speaker 6: their policies were to just bring them in, you know,
Speaker 6: chum the waters, throw the corn as much as possible.
Speaker 6: We had the greatest mass migration crisis in American history,
Speaker 6: ten million at least. And now they are moving the
Speaker 6: other way, fleeing our border because nobody they're all stuck
Speaker 6: in Mexico.
Speaker 5: Mexico doesn't want them.
Speaker 6: They've made that clear, so so you know, the better
Speaker 6: voluntarily deport from Mexico. And that's what you're seeing now
Speaker 6: in the Darien Gap.
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: In all the twenty years that I've been following the
Speaker 6: Dacreen Gap, I've never once seen thousands of people going
Speaker 6: the other way through it to get out to go
Speaker 6: home like they are now.
Speaker 5: Because this is a four year thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, as long as Trump's in office, simply abiding
Speaker 6: by the laws that are already on the books that
Speaker 6: Biden Harris could have done any time at any point
Speaker 6: in four years.
Speaker 1: But they purposely under they purposely undead what Donald Trump
Speaker 1: had done in the first time. They did just because
Speaker 1: it was Donald Trump, or maybe more nefarious reasons, like
Speaker 1: we need new Democrat voters because people aren't buying what
Speaker 1: we're selling anymore in this country. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: more to the point of why they allowed this to
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 6: That's right, and the point is is that it was
Speaker 6: all why what it would take, why it was happening
Speaker 6: that coming from the Democrats, Every single thing that they
Speaker 6: ever said was just a is now stands as completely
Speaker 6: revealed as a fabrication. All that was ever needed was detention, expulsion, deportation.
Speaker 6: Those three things all required by the Immigration and National
Speaker 6: Naturalization Law, the I n S the main law, and
Speaker 6: it's all there.
Speaker 5: It says you shall do these things. So Trump's just
Speaker 5: doing those things.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: That's all to find out more Todd Benjman, You're still working, right,
Speaker 1: You still.
Speaker 3: Have a job?
Speaker 6: I do, yeah, And you know, I mean, there's still
Speaker 6: plenty to write about and to cover.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I will be going down to the border.
Speaker 6: Probably next week to observe the silence and peace and
Speaker 6: tranquility for but it'd be.
Speaker 1: The first time, the first time, for first time you
Speaker 1: took a trip to the border and it was like
Speaker 1: peaceful and a place to get away from it.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 6: I mean it was like the most insane thing ever.
Speaker 6: I mean, you couldn't believe it being in the middle
Speaker 6: of that. Every single time. I was always you know,
Speaker 6: just like I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 3: I get dated in a sea of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we're invited by the Biden administration Todd Bensman
Speaker 1: cis dot org to find out more.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Sarah appreciate the talk. Thank you
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: Of our conversation turns to the cyber world, the Internet
Speaker 1: of things world, the digital world, and what we should
Speaker 1: be looking out for and what we should be scared
Speaker 1: to death of when we go online or we have
Speaker 1: any association with the wider world web. Our friend Dave Hatter,
Speaker 1: who works for a for this wonderful company. He writes
Speaker 1: code for them and looks at cybersecurity all the time.
Speaker 1: That's his job. Now does a document dump every weekend.
Speaker 1: Dave does a document dump. That's my attempt at alliteration
Speaker 1: or perhaps siblants. I'm not sure exactly which one those
Speaker 1: are grammatically, but Dave always sends me these stories in
Speaker 1: my email box, and some of them are just nuts.
Speaker 1: Some of them are just crazy, like this first story
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. Here's the headline, and we'll
Speaker 1: let Dave explain.
Speaker 3: Go into this.
Speaker 1: For hackers stole this engineers one as in the numeral
Speaker 1: one password database. Could it happen to you? Obviously, Dave,
Speaker 1: he has not listened to any of our conversations. We've
Speaker 1: had loath these many years to understand that you not
Speaker 1: only should have a unique password, not only should change
Speaker 1: it all the time.
Speaker 3: But you, I mean, come on, try a little bit.
Speaker 1: One password is your password for your entire database?
Speaker 3: What was this guy thinking, Dave, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Gry Jeff. So, this is a crazy, crazy story, and
Speaker 4: it really is illustrative of where we're at and society
Speaker 4: today on several levels, not only the sophistication of attacks
Speaker 4: even against technology people who you would think would know.
Speaker 4: This guy was a software engineer at Disney. But I
Speaker 4: want to be clear, just because you're in it, or
Speaker 4: even a software engineer, does not make you a cybersecurity expert.
Speaker 4: While there's overlap between those disciplines, are not the same thing.
Speaker 4: And the real reason why I think this story is
Speaker 4: so important is it strikes at the heart of this
Speaker 4: theory of why I have nothing to hide. I have
Speaker 4: nothing to steal, so I'm just going to dismiss all
Speaker 4: this stuff out of hand. It'll never happen to me.
Speaker 4: And even if it does, so, whether if they steal
Speaker 4: my family photos or whatever, this guy's whole life has
Speaker 4: been blown up and an enormous amount of information sensitive
Speaker 4: internal information about Disney was leaked as results of this.
Speaker 4: So apparently, again this guy's a software engineer. He downloaded
Speaker 4: some software without fully vetting it, and that's the first mistake.
Speaker 4: So he thinks he's going to use this AI tool
Speaker 4: to do his job better. He went out and found
Speaker 4: this online and I'm you know, I can't say I've
Speaker 4: never done something like this in the past. I would
Speaker 4: never do it now and have it for a long
Speaker 4: time because of my kinfoil hattery, you know, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 4: I had to throw my periscope up and look outside
Speaker 4: the bunker to know if I could even talk to
Speaker 4: you today. But put in all seriousness, you know, this
Speaker 4: guy down something without vetting it, thinking it was going
Speaker 4: to help him, and it had a keystroke lagger built
Speaker 4: into it, a type of malware that is extremely nefarious
Speaker 4: anything you download if it's not thoroughly vetted, if it's
Speaker 4: not coming from a legitimate app store. If you haven't
Speaker 4: done some vetting on it could have a keystroke lagger
Speaker 4: built into it. And all a keystroke lagger does is
Speaker 4: sit there and samptitiously capture all of your keystrokes, which
Speaker 4: means then even if you have something like a strong
Speaker 4: unique password on all your accounts, it's capturing all that,
Speaker 4: which is one of the reasons why multi factor authentication
Speaker 4: is so critical. Now, if you have to type in
Speaker 4: that code, it can capture that as well, and that's
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why a multi factor authentication app
Speaker 4: or a hardware token is better than the six digit
Speaker 4: code that you type in, because the keystroke clogger is
Speaker 4: catching that code and if they act fast enough, you know,
Speaker 4: there's codes typically inspiring thirty seconds, they could catch it.
Speaker 4: So it looks like what actually happened with this guy
Speaker 4: is he downloaded his AI software. It had malware built
Speaker 4: into it. You know, it's like a back door. It
Speaker 4: was running surreptitiously on his work computer, capturing all of
Speaker 4: his keystrokes, which then allowed them to attack his one
Speaker 4: password password. Vault one Password is a great password manager,
Speaker 4: by the way, absolutely awesome product. I use it personally.
Speaker 4: I recommend it to people. We use it at Intrust.
Speaker 4: It's a powerful, great tool that it has some extra
Speaker 4: security features. But if you don't have MFA turned on,
Speaker 4: if you don't have it configured correctly, and you get
Speaker 4: a keystroke clogger, it can theoretically capture all of that stuff,
Speaker 4: which then allows them to get all of his passwords.
Speaker 7: Well obviously, so the point, the point you're making, Dave,
Speaker 7: is that even if you've got a unique password, if
Speaker 7: you if you download or you upload or linked to
Speaker 7: something that's a malware, it doesn't matter if they've got
Speaker 7: a keystroke lagger.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, if you get malware with a keystroke lagger
Speaker 4: built into it and you don't have some type of
Speaker 4: powerful technology, some sort of advanced anti virus software that
Speaker 4: can root out that keystroke lagger, And keep in mind, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 4: you know they change these things around all the time
Speaker 4: to try to stay ahead of things like your anti
Speaker 4: virus slash endpoint protection software. The kind of thing that
Speaker 4: happened to this guy could happen to you. And again,
Speaker 4: this is insane. So now they apparently have all his
Speaker 4: passwords which let him get into Disney's network. When he
Speaker 4: got wind that something was happening, he started changing all
Speaker 4: his passwords and apparently to retaliate against him, per this
Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal article, dumped forty four million messages from
Speaker 4: disney slack channel out on the internet to now, Disney
Speaker 4: has a problem and I'm reading I'm quoting to you.
Speaker 4: According to Disney cybersecurity team, the dump included private customer information,
Speaker 4: employee passport numbers, and theme park and streaming revenue numbers
Speaker 4: to now, Disney is sucked into this mess and apparently
Speaker 4: to retaliate against this guy, they also published a lot
Speaker 4: of his personal information, including credit card numbers and his
Speaker 4: medical history, as well as all his one pass where
Speaker 4: a logins, Oh he lost his job, Yeah, he lost
Speaker 4: his job. He could potentially get sued by Disney. Who
Speaker 4: knows where this is all going. Disney now has this
Speaker 4: huge problem on their hands, and all because I'm sure
Speaker 4: when he thought he was helping himself and potentially Disney
Speaker 4: by getting a tool that would help him be more effective,
Speaker 4: because it was not properly vetted and honestly, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 4: in a perfect world, you would have for businesses anyway,
Speaker 4: something known as an allow list, which is here's all
Speaker 4: the authorized software you as an employer are allowed to use,
Speaker 4: and if it's not on that list, you cannot install
Speaker 4: it without permission. Because this is the kind of risk
Speaker 4: we have today. I know this sounds crazy to people,
Speaker 4: but again, and you know, details continue to come.
Speaker 1: Out about this.
Speaker 4: It has now been reported on extensively, but it really
Speaker 4: shows you how your entire life can be upended. In
Speaker 4: his case, totally blown up again. The guy lost his job,
Speaker 4: he might be getting sued. All his personal information is
Speaker 4: out there, so who knows what sort of identity staff
Speaker 4: that's being done in his name? Who knows if his
Speaker 4: bank accounts have been drained? I mean, you know, at
Speaker 4: total crisis for this guy. I feel absolutely terrible for
Speaker 4: this guy. Yeah, but it just goes to show you
Speaker 4: what can happen if you don't do these basic things.
Speaker 3: Here, here's a question for you.
Speaker 1: Talking to Dave Hatter on the night Cap, the question
Speaker 1: is with the the greater prevalence of AI, and it's
Speaker 1: not going away. It's only going to become more and
Speaker 1: more ubiquitous in the online world, where people using it
Speaker 1: to help them and their jobs, like this guy was
Speaker 1: trying to when he accidentally stumbled upon the malware and
Speaker 1: his life came apart. But with AI, it is going
Speaker 1: to make the threat of this kind of thing even
Speaker 1: more prevalent if people aren't really watching out for it,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you think?
Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely right, because even though this is
Speaker 4: sort of tangentially connected to AI, because he was trying
Speaker 4: to get an AI tool to help him code more productively.
Speaker 4: At least that's way it's been explained. Yes, because you
Speaker 4: now have ready access to advanced AI tools that can
Speaker 4: create texts that sounds perfect. They can even create you know,
Speaker 4: videos and audio of people. Again, for folks who haven't
Speaker 4: seen it, I know it's going to sound crazy, and
Speaker 4: I know you and I've talked about it before. I've
Speaker 4: done at least two interviews with local media people Fox
Speaker 4: nineteen and WCPO where we cloned a reporter's voice on
Speaker 4: TV using free tools. This is very easy to do.
Speaker 4: And then people will say, well, Gary Jeff, I'm not
Speaker 4: a celebrity like you, Gary Jeff, how would you get
Speaker 4: my voice? And my simple answer is always, well, if
Speaker 4: I call your phone number, do you have a voicemail greeting?
Speaker 4: Because if the answer is yes, I can beat you
Speaker 4: in less than an hour. Now, it may not be perfect,
Speaker 4: but it might be good enough to fool your family
Speaker 4: or to fool your coworkers. You know, if you're in
Speaker 4: any sort of executive position, I strongly encourage you to
Speaker 4: look into how prevalent these tools are. And you know
Speaker 4: the first time we did the voice cloning, it was
Speaker 4: with John Mattie, obviously a fairly well known person in
Speaker 4: this area.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I'm not exaggerating, Gary, Jeff when I tell you. He
Speaker 4: showed up and at less than an hour I found
Speaker 4: a free tool I'd never used before. I played around
Speaker 4: with a little bit before he showed up. He came over,
Speaker 4: he read the text they asked us to read so
Speaker 4: it could record his voice, and at less than an hour,
Speaker 4: you can watch me type in Hello, Grandma, this is John,
Speaker 4: I need your help, hit a button and his voice
Speaker 4: comes out my speakers. Well that was almost two years ago.
Speaker 4: The technology is way better now, and there have been
Speaker 4: well documented scams, some successful, some not, where millions of
Speaker 4: dollars have been stolen because someone's boss authorized some sort
Speaker 4: of transaction or something. And apparently there's at least one
Speaker 4: documented case where it was done in a video so
Speaker 4: you know, these are people that are known to each other,
Speaker 4: These are people that trust each other. Their voices, their
Speaker 4: likenesses are being cloned. And yes, So my long winded
Speaker 4: answer to your simple question is I believe these tools
Speaker 4: are going to only rapidly accelerate sure this type of
Speaker 4: fraud because people don't understand that they're real and how
Speaker 4: good they actually are already.
Speaker 1: Well, think about all of the technology that we are
Speaker 1: talking about right now, as compared to five years ago.
Speaker 1: It has been so rapid is it is exponentially faster
Speaker 1: every year? It seems that the technology is advancing incredible rate.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have seen more technological changes in the
Speaker 1: last one hundred years around the world than we saw, yes,
Speaker 1: in the ten thousand years before that. And I'm not
Speaker 1: joking about that. I don't think I'm exaggerating. Do you
Speaker 1: think I'm exaggerating?
Speaker 4: No, I think that's absolutely spot on, and I think
Speaker 4: the rate will continue. I mean, barring some sort of
Speaker 4: catastrophic event like a sun spot that wipes out all
Speaker 4: of our electrical grid because it's not hardened against that
Speaker 4: sort of thing, or we get hit by a media
Speaker 4: or something. I don't these things do come and fits
Speaker 4: in spurts, and AI in particular has had You know,
Speaker 4: it's not a new idea. It's been around for a
Speaker 4: long time. There have been many cases in the past
Speaker 4: where there were rapid advancements and then it kind of
Speaker 4: peaked and kind of got stuck for a long period
Speaker 4: of time. Yeah, so I can't say for sure we
Speaker 4: won't see that sort of thing again. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's going to wipe us out anytime soon. But you know,
Speaker 4: it continues to accelerate rapidly. And I mean, if you
Speaker 4: want to see for yourself, just go try like grock,
Speaker 4: which is the x musk Ai and how good it is,
Speaker 4: you know, and these things continue to leap frog each other.
Speaker 4: The more recent process said it's the best, something else
Speaker 4: will probably be the best tomorrow open ais chat, GPT.
Speaker 4: But it's wild what these things can do. And you know,
Speaker 4: from a cybersecurity scam perspective, all the old school tells
Speaker 4: as well, I got an email and the grammar's bad
Speaker 4: and the punctuation is weird and the language just doesn't
Speaker 4: seem right. That's all gone. The hackers can use these
Speaker 4: things to craft personalized text, especially thanks to all the
Speaker 4: data leaks and breaches that have your information in them,
Speaker 4: personalized text that can be used in the email, a
Speaker 4: text message, or whatever, and it won't have all those
Speaker 4: red flags because they're using these tools to create pros
Speaker 4: that make sense.
Speaker 1: The Federal Bureau of Investigation once again with the warning
Speaker 1: about ransomware and the warning of dangerous ransomware attacks, which
Speaker 1: we know are increasing as well.
Speaker 3: But what the FBI says.
Speaker 1: And you would probably concur about this one, Dave, is
Speaker 1: if you've not backed up your stuff, do it. You
Speaker 1: need to have some kind of safe backup, whether it's
Speaker 1: in a cloud or whatever, everything, because everything you've got
Speaker 1: online in your computer or in your phone could be
Speaker 1: lost or locked up in an instant if you're a
Speaker 1: victim of a ransomware attack. So what is the best
Speaker 1: way to back up stuff so you can preserve it
Speaker 1: in case your phone or your other computer is hacked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is also an especially important topic. You know,
Speaker 4: when you see that the federal government warning people about
Speaker 4: this sort of thing, you should take it seriously. I
Speaker 4: can tell you know, from talking to lots of businesses,
Speaker 4: they're not really taking this as serious as they should.
Speaker 4: I have firsthand knowledge of businesses in Cincinnati that after
Speaker 4: a ransomware attack were devastated, including at least one that
Speaker 4: went out of business. Now, I can't guarantee you it
Speaker 4: was entirely because of the ransomware attack, but I can
Speaker 4: tell you it completely crippled them. They had no idea
Speaker 4: who they who owed the money, who they had money to,
Speaker 4: They couldn't do payroll, and it was absolutely crippling. So
Speaker 4: I again saw at firsthand with my own eyes ransomware.
Speaker 4: It can be extremely devastating. And then there's this other
Speaker 4: angle that's off them overlooked too, Gary Jeff. In some cases,
Speaker 4: if your backup doesn't work for whatever reason, or you
Speaker 4: don't have a backup, and you decide, well, I'm going
Speaker 4: to go out of business if I don't pay the ransom.
Speaker 4: Depending on where that money's going, it might actually be
Speaker 4: illegal for you to pay the ransom. You know, there
Speaker 4: are certain countries you can't send money to. So there's
Speaker 4: many wrinkles to this. And you know the first step
Speaker 4: for business in particular is to have strong defenses that
Speaker 4: reduce the likelihood of you getting a successful lampware a
Speaker 4: ransomware attack. There are advanced there's nothing perfect, but you know,
Speaker 4: through defense and depths, multiple layers of defense and advanced
Speaker 4: anti virus flash input protection like senting to one, there's
Speaker 4: a good likelihood you will be able to either block
Speaker 4: it outright or significantly reduce the impact, so you don't
Speaker 4: have your whole business shutdown because everything's encrypted in none
Speaker 4: of your systems work. But you know the second step
Speaker 4: and the most important step ultimately, because again I want
Speaker 4: to be clear, there is nothing you can do to
Speaker 4: make yourself absolutely bulletproof to this unless you're just you know,
Speaker 4: a luddite out in a cabin somewhere like Ted Kaczinski.
Speaker 4: The second thing is you have to have a business
Speaker 4: continuity plan. I'm going to come back to the personal
Speaker 4: thing if we have time, But as a business, there
Speaker 4: are there are advanced tools out there. Things like Dato
Speaker 4: and other vendors make advanced tools. Think of it like
Speaker 4: an appliance, a special piece of hardware you bring into
Speaker 4: your business. It creates images of your servers while they're running.
Speaker 4: So whether it's a ransomware attack where the motherboard dies
Speaker 4: or the hard disks go bad or whatever, usually within
Speaker 4: minutes to hours at worst, you can run your business
Speaker 4: off of that appliance. It's also encrypting and snapshotting your
Speaker 4: data out into their cloud. Now, again, Data is not
Speaker 4: the only provider we've had very good luck with it.
Speaker 4: There are others. In a worst case scenario, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 4: let's see you're building, it's sit by a tornado. You
Speaker 4: can run your servers out of their cloud for up
Speaker 4: to thirty days at no additional expense. Now, this is
Speaker 4: not an inexpensive solution. A lot of people won't use
Speaker 4: it because it's not inexpensive, but it's a real significant
Speaker 4: insurance policy to keep your business up or running because
Speaker 4: it's not just making a backup of your data. A
Speaker 4: lot of people have a backup, but then in a crisis,
Speaker 4: will the backup restore If you're not testing that you
Speaker 4: can restore the backup, there's no guarantee to even work.
Speaker 4: And it may even if you have a cloud based backup.
Speaker 4: Right because there's something in the business called the backup
Speaker 4: rule of three two three copies of your data on
Speaker 4: two different media one off site backup rule of three
Speaker 4: two one. You can look it up. Plenty of good
Speaker 4: explanations out there, and you know, for an individual, yes,
Speaker 4: some sort of cloud based backup. You need encryption. You
Speaker 4: need to make sure that you have a strong, unique
Speaker 4: password on that account, that you have multi factor authentication
Speaker 4: turned on, because in a case like this poor guy
Speaker 4: from Disney, once they had all his passwords and could
Speaker 4: get the MFA code, they could have potentially gone and
Speaker 4: destroy his backups. I had a story. I don't know
Speaker 4: how much time we have left, but I can tell
Speaker 4: you a real quick story, and it's kind of mind blowing.
Speaker 4: I'm given a presentation about cybersecurity and someone in the
Speaker 4: audience raises their hand and this it just shows you
Speaker 4: how sophisticated and smart the bad guys are. They raise
Speaker 4: their hand like I got a story. I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: it's here. It. Someone got into their environment, lurked around,
Speaker 4: because in many cases in a business environment, they're gonna lurk.
Speaker 4: It's called twell timed. They're gonna try to figure out
Speaker 4: where's the money. How can I get money out of use?
Speaker 4: I hate they Yeah, they figured out who they were
Speaker 4: using for backup this victim. They waited until right after
Speaker 4: a billing cycle and then canceled the backup. So this
Speaker 4: company thinks their data is being backed up out of
Speaker 4: some cloud vendor somewhere and they basically then wait until
Speaker 4: right near the end of a month, so that now
Speaker 4: they've lost the whole month's worth of data, drop ransomware
Speaker 4: on them to increase the likelihood of pain because now
Speaker 4: they've lost a whole month's worth of their business data.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And you know, some businesses can recover from that. Some
Speaker 4: businesses can operate in a manual fashion. Some businesses aren't
Speaker 4: that reliant on technology. But you know, I would just
Speaker 4: ask you to ask people listening to the show who
Speaker 4: isn't dependent on this stuff now. So the good news
Speaker 4: is there's never been more options for you as an
Speaker 4: individual to back your data up, whether it's something like
Speaker 4: iCloud on your Apple phone or carbonite. You know, as
Speaker 4: a business, I can only tell you it's super critical
Speaker 4: to think about resiliency, to think about continuity as opposed
Speaker 4: to well, my brother as Alple's cousin, does my backup
Speaker 4: and they take a disk and swap it around or whatever.
Speaker 4: That might work, It might not who knows. In a crisis,
Speaker 4: even if it works, it could take hours, days or
Speaker 4: weeks to put things back. Versus the advanced business continuity
Speaker 4: solutions like DATO that are out there again, not cheap,
Speaker 4: but can give you a very very high level of
Speaker 4: confidence that in a crisis, for whatever reason, you will
Speaker 4: at least be able to continue operating your business while
Speaker 4: you figure out what to do next.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, just go back to a cash registered, cash
Speaker 1: only business, get yourself a landline, and leave the rest
Speaker 1: of the world alone.
Speaker 3: It's the only way it's with save us all.
Speaker 1: We're going to go back to plows and you know
Speaker 1: anyway plows years.
Speaker 4: Uh will ink will and quill pens on.
Speaker 1: Papyrus, all right, and real quickly as we finished, Dave Hatter,
Speaker 1: this is something we talked about a little bit on
Speaker 1: Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: Just one more reminder for people.
Speaker 1: If you get a text on your phone and it
Speaker 1: says that you own that you owe a fair or
Speaker 1: a fee or a toll, don't answer, just disregard it.
Speaker 3: Wait for a letter in the mail.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you know, Gary, Jeff Wright. It's very easy
Speaker 4: to spoof a phone number, because the phone system was
Speaker 4: designed at a time where that wasn't a concern. Whether
Speaker 4: it's a voice call or a text message, it is
Speaker 4: very easy to spoof a phone number to make a
Speaker 4: call or send a text from a number that looks legitimate. Right, So,
Speaker 4: as a hacker, you can go online right now and
Speaker 4: find websites that we'll let you test this where you
Speaker 4: can make a phone call or send a text from
Speaker 4: any phone number you want. You type in the number,
Speaker 4: so you know, even if you get a text that
Speaker 4: looks like it came from a legitimate number you recognize.
Speaker 4: And this is a feature Apple Who's built in which
Speaker 4: I think is very handy from a security perspective, and
Speaker 4: these toll things try to tell you how to get
Speaker 4: around it. You know, when you get a text on
Speaker 4: an app that has a link in it, something you're
Speaker 4: going to click to go pay your fee or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, they're trying to social engineer you into. If
Speaker 4: it doesn't recognize that number and the number is not
Speaker 4: your context, the link will not be activated, right, And
Speaker 4: they tell you in the text, oh, you know, click
Speaker 4: hit yes to reply to this message and then reopen
Speaker 4: the message to click the link. They're actually trying to
Speaker 4: tell you how to get around the security features built
Speaker 4: into the Apple Phone to prevent the very thing they
Speaker 4: want you to do. So, yeah, you know, whether it's
Speaker 4: a text from the IRS and you owe taxes or
Speaker 4: the handlin the county sheriff's coming to get you for
Speaker 4: unpaid parking fees, you a toll or whatever. Government agencies
Speaker 4: are not legitimate. Government agencies are not going to send
Speaker 4: you a text telling you to do something like this.
Speaker 4: It's almost always a scam. These scammers are increasingly targeting
Speaker 4: phones because more and more people use text and it's
Speaker 4: very hard from the naked eye to look at a
Speaker 4: text and then whether it's legitimate or not, both the
Speaker 4: phone number and any links in it. So yeah, your
Speaker 4: best at is just delete it, don't reply to it,
Speaker 4: don't add the phone number to your contacts, because that
Speaker 4: creates more likelihood you might click on a bogus link.
Speaker 4: Delete it, and then if you think it might be
Speaker 4: legit on your own, go to the web, look that
Speaker 4: organization up and go from there. You're going to see
Speaker 4: more and more of these text based scams, I believe.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dave Patter, thank you as always for the conversation.
Speaker 1: It's very enlightening and very frightening all at the same time.
Speaker 1: There's Dave's document dumped from the weekend on the Nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW