WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.439 President Trump begins the week doing exactly what he was 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:04.599 doing at the end of last week, working to end 3 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:08.080 the war between Russia and Ukraine. Tonight, foreign policy expert 4 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:10.160 Gordon Chang joins me for some out of the box 5 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.320 thinking about how to stop the bloodshed in Europe if 6 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.239 FBI director Cash Bettel has released new evidence of a 7 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:18.839 pay for play scheme at the Clinton Foundation and the 8 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.039 cover up at the FBI. The man who literally wrote 9 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.440 the book that began the investigation is with us this evening. Also, 10 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.679 there is a redistricting arms race in America. We'll examine 11 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:32.000 what this means in Pure Power Politics with Ace Republican 12 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.320 strategist Matt Brainerd and the New Orleans mayor has been indicted. 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:37.479 It is a story. 14 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:40.439 About love, protection and obstruction of justice. It's all next 15 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:41.159 on the Matt Gates Show. 16 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.280 Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking 17 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:45.759 the fever. 18 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:48.320 Do you haven't watched this guy on television. 19 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.079 It's like a machine. 20 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:57.159 He's great. Matt Gates. What a day at the White House. 21 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.280 Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski met with President Trump and he 22 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:03.479 brought back up this time and a better suit. I 23 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.239 guess he didn't want to roll under dressed and alone 24 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:07.840 after his last trip to the Oval. 25 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.879 You don't have the cards right now with us, you 26 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:12.840 start having right now. 27 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:17.480 You don't your playing. You're gambling with their lives and 28 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:20.920 millions of people you see. You're gambling with World War three. 29 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:25.359 You're gambling with World War three. And what you're doing 30 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.439 is very disrespectful to the country. 31 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:29.200 This country. 32 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.200 It's back to you far more than a lot of 33 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:34.120 people said they should have you. 34 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.000 Following Trump summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, he got 35 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:40.680 the rest of Europe representat in Washington today to forge peace. 36 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.959 We repeat an undeniable observation, Donald Trump is the greatest 37 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.239 force for peace in the world. 38 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:47.719 He saw it on display today. 39 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.719 But we're gonna work with Ukraine, We're gonna work with everybody, 40 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:54.200 and we're gonna make sure that if this piece, the 41 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:55.599 piece is gonna stay long term. 42 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:56.640 This is very long term. 43 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:58.760 We're not talking about a two year piece, and then 44 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.760 we end up in this mess again. I love the 45 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:03.640 Ukrainian people, but I love old people. 46 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.879 I love the Russian people, I love them all. 47 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.919 I want to get the worst off Alaska summit reinforced 48 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.159 my belief that while difficult, pieces within reach, and I 49 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:16.560 believe that in a very significant step, President Putin agreed 50 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:21.039 that Russia would accept security guarantees for Ukraine. We're going 51 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:25.960 to try and get a three party meeting, maybe as 52 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.479 soon as we can, and I have a feeling you 53 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.960 and President Putin are going to work something out if 54 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.599 you'd like, I'll go to that meeting, And not that 55 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.879 I want to do that, but I will do that 56 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.039 because we want to save a lot of people from dying. 57 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.400 European leaders will undoubtedly continue asking Trump to put Ukraine 58 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:47.039 on a path to something akin to NATO membership. President 59 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:50.719 Trump disagrees and rightly posted on truth social that there 60 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.639 would be no going into NATO by Ukraine. I've got 61 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.560 an idea offer NATO membership to Russia. Of course, for 62 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.199 this caret Trump would need to get everything he wants 63 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:04.479 out of Putin regarding the end of hostilities, economic cooperation, 64 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:09.240 and territorial disputes. Before you suggest I'm crazy for thinking 65 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.159 about NATO and Russia as partners, The idea has been 66 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.199 floated by foreign policy thinkers on the right and left 67 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.000 for some time. In nineteen ninety seven, the Senate Foreign 68 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.000 Relations Committee held a hearing on NATO expansion. President Clinton, 69 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.919 Secretary of State madel And Albright reflected on groundbreaking cooperation 70 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.080 between NATO and Russia. 71 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.800 We are pleased with the development of the NATO Russia 72 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.479 relationship to date. We believe that the NATO Russia Founding 73 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:41.400 Act and the permanent Joint Council it created offers real 74 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:46.199 opportunities to develop a partnership between NATO and Russia through 75 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:52.520 regular consultations and activities to build practical cooperation. I've been 76 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.639 very pleased with the early work of that Council, including 77 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:00.800 its first ministerial meeting in New York on September twenty six. 78 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:01.080 Then. 79 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.680 I think that in many ways that was quite a 80 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:09.439 remarkable meeting in starting this process out. I believe that 81 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.479 these elements of the NATO Russia relationship, together with our 82 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.120 bilateral efforts to integrate Russia more fully into the rest 83 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.000 of the West, are beginning to bear fruit. 84 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.199 That fruit didn't germinate because instead of doubling down cooperation 85 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.279 with Russia, the thinking prevailed that we had to expand 86 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.319 NATO and encircle Russia. We learned that an animal backed 87 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.839 into a corner can lash out. It seemed we even 88 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.519 knew what was going to happen, because also in nineteen 89 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.519 ninety seven, a key report was issued by Republican Senator 90 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.360 Dick Lueger. And you know he had to be very 91 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.519 good at politics to get elected with a name like that. 92 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.879 Senator Luger's report was directed by Victoria Neulan, who went 93 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.600 on to work for Biden. Just listen to what a 94 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:54.079 conservative Republican senator and a future Biden State Department official concluded. 95 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:54.879 Quote. 96 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.439 Russian leaders see the enlargement of NATO as a threat 97 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.399 not only to Russian security but also the success of 98 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.879 Russia's transformation since the collapse of the Soviet Union. In 99 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.639 the face of continued Russian opposition to enlargement, it's imperative 100 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:13.199 that the United States strive to improve NATO Russian relations 101 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:16.879 and assure the country of its security and role in 102 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.040 the face of a new europe close quote. These assurances 103 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.560 were never given in the nineties or in the two thousands. 104 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.279 That may be why we are here today. We chose 105 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:32.279 encirclement over cooperation when people were saying cooperation could be 106 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.759 part of our forward looking path with Russia. Michael McFall 107 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.680 was President Obama's ambassador to Russia. In two thousand and six, 108 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.560 he wrote an article titled why a democratic Russia should 109 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.000 join NATO again. This reinforces that NATO membership is an 110 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.600 earned reward, not an entitlement, but why not give Russia 111 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.519 a chance to earn it. Charles Cupchin's piece, NATO's Final Frontier, 112 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.480 Why Russia Should Join the Atlantic Alliance, was published in 113 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.680 Foreign Affairs All the Way Back in twenty ten. It 114 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.600 explicitly advocates for including Russia in NATO. He argues that 115 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.839 excluding Russia is a strategic error, particularly as the West 116 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:12.720 faces global shared threats like terrorism, nuclear proliferation, cybersecurity, and 117 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:14.120 international organized crime. 118 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.240 That was all the way back in twenty ten. 119 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.519 Think about what our shared goals are now We might 120 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:23.480 have to fight AI or Aliens alongside the Russians. Cup 121 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.959 Chance suggests embracing Russia through NATO is more substantial than 122 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.279 other partnerships and critical for a durable pan European security order. 123 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:36.199 He's probably right. We are here and President Trump is 124 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.120 trying to fix so many errors at the past. America 125 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.759 got all frothed up on NATO expansion in the nineties. 126 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.000 It seems Secretary all Bright new cooperation with Russia could 127 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.079 bring peace, but she didn't execute it correctly. Republican senators 128 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.759 like Dick Luger knew that Russia would feel encircled, but 129 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.279 we expanded NATO anyway. The Obama administration, through its diplomatic corps, 130 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.720 had ambitions for a reprochmad with Russia. Instead, Putin saw 131 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:06.040 Obama as unserious and simply waltzed into CRIMEA NATO membership 132 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:10.439 for Russia isn't coming tomorrow. But to make peace, everyone 133 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.240 needs to give up something and get something. Everyone needs 134 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.560 to feel safer in peace than at war. Making war 135 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.079 is easy, all you have to do is attack. Making 136 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.480 peace is hard. But at least the Trump administration is 137 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.319 making progress. We believe that progress could and should ultimately 138 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.600 lead to NATO expansion to Russia if everyone. 139 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:32.720 Behaves, joining us now. 140 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.879 One of the great foreign policy thinkers of our time 141 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.399 and author of Plan Red, China's project to destroy America, 142 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.360 the Great Gordon Chang So, Gordon, we are here on 143 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.600 the heels of the Putin summit and the europe Group session. 144 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.759 Where do you think this conflict stands? 145 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:47.079 Now? 146 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.879 This is moving at Trump speed and trilateral in ten 147 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.800 days would be something that most everybody would say is impossible, 148 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.680 but in Trump's world, it is possible. I think there 149 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.199 will a lot of important issues to get passed. One 150 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.040 of them is going to be whether we impose sanctions 151 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.600 on Russia in order to cut off some of that 152 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:12.920 oil revenue. That would make Putin much more amenable. So 153 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.360 I'm just as bewildered as everybody, because the one thing 154 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.759 that Trump does is he actually takes everyone's expectations and 155 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.319 changes them in ways which they thought were inconceivable and 156 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.240 put them into reality. This meeting today was unreal, and 157 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.399 it was due to President Trump's effective diplomacy. 158 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.200 All right, well, I'm going to take the unconceivable and 159 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:37.360 bring it into our reality for this discussion, Gordon, I 160 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.080 remember back in the nineties and throughout the early two thousands, 161 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.519 as NATO expansion was being discussed in the Baltics, in 162 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:48.679 poland elsewhere, there were always voices from both the right 163 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.639 and left suggesting that maybe NATO membership should be offered 164 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.279 as a carit to Russia. And if that were to happen, 165 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:57.679 do you think Europe could be safer? 166 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.399 Well, certainly if Russia wanted to become a constructive member 167 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.200 of NATO, no question, things would be better. And yes, 168 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:10.679 after the Cold War, NATO membership was offered to the 169 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:15.399 new Russian government, which turned it down. Right now, there's 170 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.639 a lot going on. I mean, I wouldn't think that 171 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:21.000 Putin would want to be a member of NATO for 172 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:24.159 a number of reasons. One of them is that the 173 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:29.080 Chinese probably wouldn't let him. But apart from that, you know, 174 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:30.720 we'll just have to see and a. 175 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:32.360 War. 176 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:33.480 This happens every day. 177 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:35.320 That's a very hot take. 178 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.600 You believe that a barrier to Russian cooperation with the 179 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.759 West through a military alliance like NATO could actually be 180 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:44.120 hindered by the Chinese. 181 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:45.679 You've got to explain that to me. 182 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.679 First of all, China wants the war in Ukraine to 183 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.440 continue indefinitely. And we learned this on July second, when 184 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.840 Chinese Foreign Minister Wangi spoke to Kayak Kalos, the EU 185 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.600 Foreign Policy and Brussels, and then Wangi said that China 186 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.279 did not want to see Russia lose because if Russia 187 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:08.960 lost the war in Ukraine, then America would turn his 188 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:10.240 focus to China. 189 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:10.720 In East Asia. 190 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.440 Will you extrapolate a little bit from that, and that 191 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.159 if the war in Ukraine ends, the US will again 192 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.879 be able to look at China in East Asia. So 193 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.519 I think the Chinese are going to do everything possible 194 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.279 to gum up the works, because if they are able 195 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.440 to do that, then they can accomplish what Wangi said. 196 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.879 And I actually believe that Wangi was being candid with 197 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.879 the Europeans. So this really is the Chinese position war indefinitely. 198 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.960 It does seem China has benefited as the United States 199 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.120 has engaged in wars throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. 200 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.360 That's been the story of the last twenty twenty five years. 201 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:50.799 We did see form and Vice President Mike Pence on 202 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.799 CNN over the weekend call for secondary sanctions that would 203 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:55.559 affect China. 204 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.720 Let's hear from the Vice President and I'll get your reaction. 205 00:10:58.559 --> 00:10:59.879 I think at the same time he able to pick 206 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:04.639 up the phone and ask Majority Leader John Thune to 207 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:10.840 immediately pass the secondary sanctions bill that is supported by 208 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.440 virtually everyone in the United States Senate. 209 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.720 So my concern with this, Gordon, and please disabuse me 210 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.960 if I'm incorrect, is that if we were to just 211 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:25.559 reflexively embrace a secondary sanctions regime, that could strengthen the 212 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:29.519 hand of bricks, because that would fuse those economies closer 213 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:33.039 to one another, and it makes a stronger economic argument 214 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.279 for bricks over inclusion with the West. So am I 215 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.200 overly sensitive and concerned about secondary sanctions or is the 216 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:42.200 Vice president correct? 217 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:44.000 No? 218 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:47.159 No, no, your concern is there, and I can certainly share it. 219 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.360 There's a couple of other considerations. One of them is 220 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.799 that you know, we put these secondary sanctions on India, 221 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.480 which is our friend, but we didn't put them on China, 222 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.879 which considers us to be an enemy. And the Chinese 223 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.399 right now are telling visitors and they're telling the rest 224 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.039 of the world that we're afraid of China because we 225 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.080 won't put those sanctions on Beijing. So I think President Trump, 226 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.159 one way or another, and I don't know how to 227 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.559 do this, but one way or another, Trump needs to 228 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:17.120 disabuse the Chinese of that. One way, of course, would 229 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.360 be to impose secondary sanctions on the Chinese for purchasing 230 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.440 a Russian oil. But you know you're consideration, you're concerned 231 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.399 about the bricks. Yeah, it's a very important one. 232 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.559 Every time we embrace a sanctions regime, it seems to 233 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.399 be like a dog whistle saying, go think about bricks 234 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.360 as an alternate economic system. And I know that's not 235 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.159 what President Trump wants, but he does want to end 236 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.759 this conflict. Bringing it to an end has to make 237 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.519 everyone feel safer. Right, no one is going to embrace 238 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.360 any peace plan if they think the peace plan is 239 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.240 more dangerous for them than continuing the war. And I 240 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.720 took note of what Envoy Steve Whitkoff said about Article 241 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.720 five type security guarantees across Europe. Take a listen to 242 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.720 Envoy wood Cough and we'll get your reaction. 243 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:04.320 We agreed to. 244 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:10.320 Robust security guarantees that I would describe as game changing. 245 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.159 We didn't think that we were anywhere close to agreeing 246 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:18.159 to Article five protection from the United States. 247 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.519 So Gordon, when Envoy Witkof is talking about Article five 248 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.559 type protections in an agreement between the United States and 249 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.879 Russia to reduce hostilities, I mean, if it walks like 250 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:34.120 NATA membership and quacks like NATO membership, does it kind 251 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.279 of does it kind of seem like NATO membership to you? 252 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:38.279 Yeah? 253 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:41.039 And I think it probably should be NATO membership because 254 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.000 it's going to be effectively the same. And we should 255 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.480 have an integrated military command with Ukraine. If we're going 256 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.279 to give Article five type assurances, you know this is 257 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:52.320 going to require. 258 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:53.600 He was talking about Russia, so it's going to hold 259 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:54.320 hold on. 260 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.960 He was talking about Russia, he was This was not 261 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.679 Witkoff reacting to the Ukraine discussion. This is him talking 262 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.879 about the meeting that occurred with Vladimir Putin in Alaska. 263 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.639 He I think I could be wrong, but I'm. 264 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:13.200 Reading Wikoff there as discussing a full security regime across 265 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:17.559 Europe that includes Russia, includes Ukraine and reduces hostilities. 266 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.279 Are you seeing it differently? 267 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:23.759 I thought Winkoff was just talking about Ukraine. But you know, 268 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:25.919 you could very well be right. There's a lot of 269 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.000 discussions that are going on that we don't know about. 270 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.679 And you know, President Trump is somebody who is willing 271 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:36.279 to consider, as I mentioned, things that were once off 272 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.080 the table. So yeah, it's not on my BINGO card, 273 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.480 but it could very well be on the president's and 274 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.039 that means it could very well be a pan European 275 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:49.200 NATO type arrangement that covers all of Eastern Europe. 276 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.440 And that is what would really put China on defense. 277 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.799 You see, if we were to align Europe Eurasia Central 278 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:00.320 Asia against China. Then I think you start to see 279 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.559 the strategy of China trying to keep us in forever 280 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.159 wars A really look like a peace structure that gives 281 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:10.639 a dividend to us, strengthens our hand against them. And 282 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.200 as this continues, we hope we're able to check back 283 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.840 in with you, the Great Gordon Chang. I'll leave you 284 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:18.960 with this final opportunity to make a prediction. Do you 285 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.320 think that we are able to. 286 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.519 End this war before the end of twenty twenty five? 287 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.200 I think that that's a real possibility. And by the way, 288 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.759 you are the Great Matt Gates, So yes, Thank you 289 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:31.559 very much, the Great Matt Gates. 290 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.879 Always a pleasure. Thank you so much, Gordon Chang for 291 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.559 joining us and sharing your great expertise. 292 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:37.600 Thank you. 293 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.799 And coming up, FBI director Cash Bettel has really dropped 294 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.000 some key information on us. It relates to an investigation 295 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.360 into the Clinton Foundation. It's pay for play, it's obstruction 296 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.080 of justice, and it all centers around the book Clinton Cash. 297 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.000 The author of that book, Peter Schweitzer joins me. Next. 298 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.039 Viewers are always asking me how can they watch oan live. 299 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.200 The solution is simple. It's a streaming platform. Called cloud tv. 300 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:15.000 Now it's spelled KLOWDTV. Simply go to cloudtv dot com 301 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.480 and subscribe to watch twenty four to seven live feeds 302 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.559 of OAN. The live package is only two dollars and 303 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.600 fifty cents per month for all you can watch. Again, 304 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.320 simply go to cloudtv dot com and do it today. 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The answer is that all three platforms 324 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.400 offer you the ability to live stream One America News 325 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:55.839 Network from your Roku TV, Apple TV, or Amazon Fire device. 326 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.359 Simply go to the app store, search out foran then 327 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.160 enjoy all the great programming offered by Alien, including my 328 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:05.440 show Real America. 329 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.279 There's new information we're getting regarding pay for play with 330 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:17.400 the Clinton Foundation. 331 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:19.720 There was an investigation. 332 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.079 Underway, and then herculean efforts by the Obama DOJ to 333 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.640 shut that investigation down. It all started with a book 334 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.440 called Clinton Cash, written by Peter Schweitzer. That book lays 335 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.519 out in detail how the Clinton Foundation was basically a 336 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.759 money laundering operation. People gave money to the foundation and 337 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:41.119 then they got an FOB designation on any request that 338 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.519 they made to the State Department. 339 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.680 Do you know what FOB stood for? Friend of Bill? 340 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.319 That meant the person who got that designation had likely 341 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:54.559 paid off the Clintons through the foundation to get preferential treatment. 342 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:58.319 It means your government was for sale in three separate cities. 343 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:02.440 This book spawned investigations Washington, d C. New York, and 344 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:06.240 even Little Rock, Arkansas. As these investigations were rolling, I 345 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.720 was concerned that the DOJ had been compromised. I called 346 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.960 for a special council back in twenty seventeen. With so 347 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.880 many at the FBI and the Department of Justice conflicted, 348 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.319 we believe a special council is appropriate. And the question 349 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.799 for the Attorney General is what are you waiting for? 350 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:23.920 We have a mountain of evidence and we need to 351 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.480 see action quickly, Otherwise the American people start to question 352 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.319 whether or not there really is this double standard where 353 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.599 we're subjecting President Trump to scrutiny that the Clintons have 354 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.839 never been subjected. Right. I was right, they never were 355 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.680 subjected to that scrutiny. A special council was never appointed. 356 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.559 Hillary got away with it, and we can blame former 357 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.640 Attorney General Jeff Sessions for that failure. But now, thanks 358 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.319 to a newly declassified memo, we see that then Deputy 359 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.880 Attorney General Sallyates demanded these investigations into the Clinton Foundation 360 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.680 be shut down. I was right back into twenty seventeen 361 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.720 that they were never really subjected to the scrutiny that 362 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:04.359 they should have been. 363 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:06.160 And another reason is Andrew McCabe. 364 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:08.720 He was deputy director of the FBI, and it looks 365 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.839 in these memos and documents like he played a key 366 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.920 role in swatting down legitimate investigations. 367 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.079 Remember at the time, the director of the FBI was this. 368 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.440 Guy Eller Swift and I go way back. I went 369 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:25.480 to my first concert of hers fifteen years ago. I'm 370 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.319 in a family's Swifty group chat. I know all her 371 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.319 music and I listened to it on my headphones when 372 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.519 I cut the grass. While our elderly makeup covered president 373 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.240 is posting about whether Taylor Swift is still hot and 374 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.599 declaring that he can't stand her. What's she doing living 375 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:44.519 her best life? Thank you, Taylor Swift? 376 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.279 How the Mighty have fallen? Thoughts in prayers? 377 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.640 Jim Comy isn't Comy obviously wearing makeup in that video 378 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.279 where he's making fun of someone else wearing makeup. 379 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:55.319 It's just so cringe. 380 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.920 But now we know that the Clinton cash allegations were 381 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.720 never properly invested negated because those investigations were killed in 382 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.559 their infancy. So we thought we'd bring on the author 383 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.640 who started it all to react. He's the president of 384 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:11.680 the Government Accountability Institute and the author of Clinton Cash. 385 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.559 The untold story of how and why foreign governments and 386 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.599 businesses helped make Bill and Hillary rich Peter Schweitzer, Peter, 387 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.559 when did you first learn that your book had ignited 388 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:25.799 these three investigations in DC, New York, and Arkansas. 389 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.359 Well, Matt, it's great to be on with you. Yeah. 390 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.759 The book came out in May of twenty fifteen, and 391 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.240 I got calls from people in the FBI. These are 392 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.480 the field officers. By the summer of twenty fifteen, and 393 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.319 at the end of the day, there were at least 394 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.079 four FBI offices field offices that were investigating this little 395 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:52.319 rock Arkansas, New York, Boston, and strangely enough, a FBI 396 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.880 office in Lagos, Nigeria, who had an audio tape of 397 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.599 somebody bragging that they had given money to the Clintons 398 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.440 and were now getting a favor. So that's kind of 399 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.640 when it kicked off. And my experience was, you know, 400 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.319 maybe you had a similar experience in your oversight in Congress. 401 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:12.240