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Speaker 2: Not much, Pete happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Awesome. Let's continue talking about the Spanish Civil War.

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And there's a collection of episodes that we have that

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I call, you know, like specific subjects, like targeted targeted subjects,

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that I release every once in a while as a

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it all on one spot. And I assume this one

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is going. This one will definitely be added on to that.

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But this is a really this is important, and this

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is one of those one of those things that once

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you understand the story of Jose Calvo Sotelo, you you

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can start understanding that if something isn't done pretty quickly,

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this is the kind of direction we're headed. So yeah,

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I'll turn it over to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I have to point out on my substant

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zac I published many pieces. It's typically research that I've

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done with primary sources or like one one source removed

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that's really good summary material using Spanish primary sources, Spanish

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language material. And in this case, I have two articles

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now in the Now and Then series by my friend Morgre,

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who's a Spanish friend and correspondent he helped me with

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a lot of like Spanish language idiom and a little

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bit of research validating some of the assumptions that I

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was making based on my own studies of material when

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I was working on with the Crusaders. And so he's

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the one who helped with the Negra to brilliante uh

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turn of phrase that that I had to add to

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that story for a nice twist, And he has really

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enjoyed diving into the subject himself. He's one of us.

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And the environment in Spain is really interesting because there's

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all this great material and there's a subset of the

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population that knows the score it. In Spain, the the

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academy and the government are acting like, uh, you know,

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the the Western misperception, propaganda, propaganda driven misperception of the

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war is correct, but they have way too much evidence

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to the contrary from primary sources that really explain the situation,

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and that that creates a big challenge for them in

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the Academy, and they have their own kind of you know,

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correcting the record revisionist population that has to play a

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little bit to the uh you know, the the current

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powers that be while also having a realistic conversation on

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the subject of what was actually going on. So for example,

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you know, one of the big elements is that there

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was no there was no happy middle ground like you know,

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democratic Republic that wasn't Bolshevik, and the anarchists weren't just

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these you know, kind of libertarian hippies who wanted to

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be left alone. Man, you know, that's totally not the case.

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of the people, and you don't see this kind of

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in so many of the English language sources. Stanley Pain's

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an exception, but you know, the big boys Bevoir, Preston, Thomas, etc.

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which is taken from very good sources that can be

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found all over the internet in Spanish that Morgore has

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translated for us with an introduction. His motivation for this

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was when Charlie Kirk was shot. He immediately was like,

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you know, there's elements that are related to this, but

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he agreed with me, which is that you know, Charlie

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Kirk is going to be a martyr figure and he's

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an early, like you said, Pete, warning of where this

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is going to go if we don't change direction and

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the direction change has to be done by the government,

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and we have the Trump and his people in the

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administration right now. We absolutely need them to step in

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and intervene and be the legitimate system that will uphold order,

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because you can't do this onesie twosie light touch thing

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that will just like push it out into the future

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and you really have to crush these people. So that

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was the motivation for this piece. There's a large section

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well there's a section of kind of opinion and observation,

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a summary of the life of Jose Calvo Sotello, who

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was a Spanish parliamentarian who was murdered which essentially set

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things in motion for the military uprising which caused the

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Spanish Civil War. And we have great detail about the

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actual night of the murder, in the days beforehand, what

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was taking place in the government, where they made the

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arrangements which made this possible from like a security perspective.

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Speaker 1: And I think people need to understand that the you

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know when you hear that the government, yeah, basically they

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it was elements inside the arment they planned this, they said,

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you know, this must be done. People need to realize

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that they didn't go out obviously they didn't go out

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to do it. They sent there was it the civil goda.

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Speaker 2: Uh largely, and they also had assault guards and some

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other ullet Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're not gonna have You're probably not going

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to have that in this country because they've already built

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up an army on the street. So what people I

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think need to understand is is that you can make

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fun of these people all you want. These people who

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show up at protests and are black block and masks,

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and whenever they get arrested, you get to see the

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you get to see the mug shots, and you get

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to laugh at them. These are people who have nothing

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to lose, they have no life whatsoever, and they're just waiting.

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They're waiting to be told, yeah, sure you can go.

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We're not going to stop you if you start killing

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our enemies. And once you realize that that is that's

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what it is that you will have, it will come

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off as random violence. But really it's top down because

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it's always top down.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, they have to create the conditions that make

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it possible, and that comes from the top down.

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Speaker 1: Correct. So even though once you go through the story

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and you see exactly who the players were, you need

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to understand that those these people are already out there

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and yep, they're They're not going to They have no one.

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They're not going to answer to anyone unless people decide

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now to make them answer, Because it's unless you get

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this rained in now, it's going to be much more

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difficult to rein it in later because this is not

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going to jump off the way it will when Donald

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Trump is president or even a Trump kind of person

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as president. But unless you crush these people now, there

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will be somebody who is who wants to kill you

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because of what you believe, that will get in office.

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And that's when these people or the ones that come

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after them will be activated. And I know people don't

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want to believe that, but when you start studying who

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like the leftists were the people on the left in

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the Spanish Civil War, these weren't impressive people. No, these

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before scum. They were no different than the anti fight

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you're making fun of when you see their mugshots. Yet

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how many people did they kill? How many people did

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they execute?

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Speaker 2: There is a I'm going to be doing a show

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with Astral after Halloween on Annoker. Anarcho tyranny and Bioleninism

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as it relates to Spain and as well as just

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those pieces, so like Sam Francis on anarcho tyranny and

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spandrel on Bioleninism. And if you go through and you

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look at the photos of the to your point, Pete,

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the photos of the leaders of the left in Spain,

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they all look like degenerates, single one of them. None

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of them are handsome, none of them look in the

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least bit like ordered. It's it's completely crazy when you

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see that. And it's like you said, it's just like

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when you see the mugshot of the Antifa types. It's

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just these degenerates. And it's an interesting it's an interesting

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process because there's a little bit of a chicken and

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egg thing going on there. There's there's interesting arguments to

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be had there and a lot of a lot of

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work has been done by psychiatrists in the past on

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this subject. But that is a conversation for another time. Well,

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why don't you talk a little bit about the you know,

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the the meeting of the politicians and what leads up

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to this. Okay, great, so shall we consult the piece please,

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let's do it. Okay, great, So I'm going to cruise down.

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Shall we start out with a just kind of an

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overview of who Jose Calvo Sotela was and who he represented.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but I would, I would. I think it's hilarious.

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I realized this the other day that both sides of

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my family come from Galicia.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, came to this kind of like, came to this

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kind like I have relatives that came from Galicia in Spain,

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you know, or I mean really is that Spain or

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Portugal historically? Who knows? Yes, it could be France too,

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but you know, also, you know, my my great grandparents

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escaped Galicia to get away from the murderous psychopaths there

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in nineteen cent in nineteen eleven. That's the one up

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in the corner in the other corner of the of

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the peninsula.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I believe. I believe more grs from from Galicia.

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I believe he's Galician?

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Speaker 1: Uh is he basked?

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Speaker 2: I don't have a way of knowing, but yeah, I

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believe so.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be wouldn't be surprising if he was.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Genetically the vast majority of especially northern Spaniards, are going

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to show up as quote unquote asque.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially the ones that are racially aware.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So.

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I don't have to read. So you have the most

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melodious voice. But I will. I will happily dive into

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this so so now and then the Murder of Jose

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Calvo Sotelo. I begin with a brief biography of Jose

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Calvo Sotelo, as it is apprope to have an understanding

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of the man whose murder we are discussing. Jose Calvo

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Sotelo was born in Tui, Galicia, on May sixth, eighteen

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ninety three, to a deeply religious, middle class family. In

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his early years, he proved to be a very capable

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and intelligent young man who easily scored in the top

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of his class. He began work on his bachelor's degree

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at the University of Daragotha in nineteen oh nine, where

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he showed great aptitude for the sciences and languages, but

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like Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, he was drawn to

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the law. As a student, he took many small jobs

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such as artist or tutor, to aid his family while

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still excelling in academics. He graduated in nineteen twelve. Armed

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with his bachelors, he undertook doctoral studies at the University

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of Madrid, where he became extremely close to his professor

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Gumersindo Ascarate, who eventually nominated his thesis for an Extraordinary

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Doctorate award. I checked it out. Extraordinary Doctorate award is

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like the top person in every field of study in Spain,

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whether it's at the university level or nationally, that they

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kind of call it the same thing. So shortly after

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completing his studies, Jose Calvo Sotelo applied for the public

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examination to work in the Ministry of Justice. And keep

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in mind he's like twenty one years old at this time.

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While preparing for his upcoming exams, he became a familiar

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site in debate circles at Madrid's many libraries in athenaeums.

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Here Calvo Sotello would meet many of his future political foes,

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such as Manuel Azagna and a Hell Galarza. It was

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around nineteen fifteen, when he was appointed Secretary of Politics

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and Moral Sciences, when Calvo Sotello became a supporter of Maurismo,

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a truly reactionary conservative faction led by Antonio Mora, which

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and then my editor's note, the Conservative and Liberal parties

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which leadership of the government was handed off between the

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two parties in fixed intervals over several decades, a real

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life example of the conservative quote, if you use government power,

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the opposition will simply use that same power against you,

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So never do anything for your constituency unquote mentality. In

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nineteen sixteen, at the age of twenty three, he became

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a state attorney after achieving a perfect examination score. In

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a twist of fate, Calvo Sotello was assigned to Toledo,

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where he met Henriqueta de Grondona, daughter of a wealthy

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and prominent civil engineer, whom he would wed a year later.

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In nineteen nineteen, Antonio Mora selected Calvo Sotello to become

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an electoral candidate for his faction, and in the following

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elections he became a member of Parliament, a position he

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lost the following year. In nineteen twenty one, with grave

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disasters such as the murder of Eduardo Datto by Catalan

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anarchists and the disaster of Anyual, an earth shaking defeat

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of the Spanish army in the Moroccan Riff War. New

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elections were held in which the Mourists surged, Mora became

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president again and Calvo Sotella was appointed Governor of Valencia.

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All changed drastically the thirteenth of September nineteen twenty three,

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with a military coup d'eta led by General Primo de Rivera,

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driven by reactionary elements who were done with the weakness

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of the parliament and useless squabbling of the politicians, and

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sought to quote regenerate Spain. Calvo Sotello strongly ascribed to

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these ideas and became a vocal supporter of the dictatorship.

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He was soon appointed General Administration Director, and later in

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nineteen twenty five he was appointed Chief of the Revenue Ministry,

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where he carried out many innovative tax reforms, which would

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result in some people calling him a quote communist. So

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this is that third position that the Spanish right was

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shifting towards, particularly the younger Spanish right. In nineteen thirty,

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de Rivera. In the global stock market crash of nineteen

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twenty nine, Calvo Sotello and many former ministers of the

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dictatorship decided to band together to create a party which

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quote carried the spirit and will of Primo de Rivera unquote.

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To help Spain recover. They sought the aid of General Behringer,

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the then dictator, to form a government, But with mood

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brought about by the victory of Republican and left wing

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parties in the nineteen thirty one elections, Calvo Sotello fled

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to Portugal. The painful birth of the Republic, celebrated with

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looting and the destruction of churches, deeply tarnished Calvo Sotello's

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belief in helping Spain recover via political means. Nonetheless, he

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became a Morrist candidate for Orense Galicia in the hope

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that the law of pardons would be applied to him

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in the same manner it was applied to Communist criminals

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such as Largo Caballero and Julian Bastieiro, who had led

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the strike of nineteen seventeen. Side note, Morriger is going

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to do an article about Largo Caballero, for whom there

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just isn't a lot of really good English language material.

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There are some new biographies that are availed. There's one

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where that the title and again the Spanish language only,

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the title is essentially Largo Caballero Spain's Lenin or the

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Spanish Lenin. So that will because.

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Speaker 1: Didn't he when he was in jail, didn't he call

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himself that he referred to himself when he was in jail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though the party he represented wasn't a per

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se Bolshevik party, it was a Spanish kind of national

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socialist quote unquote party in the in a left sense.

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But he converted to Marxist Leninism while he was in

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prison and then was totally open about it. Okay. However,

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the Republicans sought to persecute those who had quote collaborated

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with the dictatorship and created a special court, which further

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soured Calvo Sotello's opinion on the republic. In nineteen thirty three,

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Calvo Sotelo established residence in Paris, where he networked with

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and learned from personalities such as Charles Morris of Action

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Action Fransei and established ties with the Italian government via

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Italo Balbo, even meeting Il Duce himself in Rome to

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garner support for the conservative movement of Spain. Yet his

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most important role during exile was as a conduit between

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the Carlists and Alfonsiss to create a unified monarchist element.

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With the passing of an amnesty law in April nineteen

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thirty four and the resounding defeat of the Left in

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the nineteen thirty four general elections, Calvo Sotelo returned to

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Spain as a member of Parliament for the party Renovasion Espanola.

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And here's an image from a Renovasion Espaniola event. Excellent.

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Speaker 1: That flag is incredible energy.

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Speaker 2: Incredible energy, and that look at that carpet, that rug

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incredb Yeah, all right. His political career after returning to

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Spain as well known s specifically because he became an

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icon of the right, which the leftists sought more than

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any other to cast down, not only because he was

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staunch in his assertions, but because he had served in

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government during the dictatorship and was thus a collaborator. The

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left was truly out for blood, which in his case

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would be realized that tragic night of July twelfth, nineteen

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thirty six. If this murder was not quote unquote premeditated,

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it had been announced multiple times in the days prior.

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It was during a session of parliament on June sixteenth,

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nineteen thirty six, when then Minister of War Santiago casares

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Kiroga threatened Jose Calvo Sotelo a mid thunderous support from

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fellow leftists who began shouting, hail the Red Army. They're

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just stop right, let's stop right there. We're just they're

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just liberal democrats.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a republican Is this a republican government?

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Speaker 2: Incredible?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, See what happened in Spain was they elected

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this republican government and everything was going to be great,

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and a bunch of fascists rose up to overthrow the

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republican government. That was shouting hail the Red Army.

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Speaker 2: And for those who don't know, the Spanish Republic's army

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had red rank insignia with red stars on it and

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was led by they were advised and sometimes led directly

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by NKVD, and always NKVD trained and led officers. This

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was a communist operation run by the Soviets.

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Speaker 1: In West was republican. It was Republican. It says, it's

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that's their name. Their name are Republicans, and you a Republican.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible, it's incredible. That very day, the commander of

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the core of Carabinero's and close friend of Cassaris Kiroga,

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Luis Barcelo, said, quote, I will kill him myself unquote.

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On June twenty ninth, then General Security Chief Alonzo Molol

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called agents Jose Gariga Pateo, a communist fully loyal to

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the Popular Front. The Popular Front was the UH, basically

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the coalition of leftist communist et cetera parties that were

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running the government, and Rodolfo Serrano de la Parte, a

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close friend of Cassaris Kiroga, to his office to replace

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the current agents who were then assigned to guard Calvo Sotello.

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So they handpicked leftists to be his guards. The following day,

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staff Sergeant Lorenzo Aguire Sanchez briefed the two men that

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their task was not one of protection, but of espionage.

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They were to report on Calvo Sotello's schedule and the

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identities of everyone that met with him. Two days later,

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the very same sergeant informed the men, per orders from

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the Security chief that if an attempt on the life

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of Calvo Sotello were made in a public place with witnesses,

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they should pretend to protect him, but if it happened

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in a place without witnesses, they should be sure to

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finish him off. And here's Santiago casars kiroga, who looks

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like a worm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's amazing the how the physiognomy never

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fails on these people. Never, never, And we're not talking

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about just no, the kind of physiognomy that we normally

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talk about. We're talking about just you know, the Mystery

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Grove tweet. Yeah, just ugly, ugly people. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You can tell if you do a line chart, you know,

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the eye, top of the ear, et cetera. That's not

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that's not what we're talking about here, right, Yeah, yeah,

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all right. Unfortunately for the conspirators, agent Ridolfo Serrano had

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a conscience. He spoke of this troubling revelation with Jaiquin

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Bao Nola, a Carlist member of Parliament and close friend

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of Calvo Sotello. Upon hearing this news, mister Boo immediately

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visited the office of the Minister of Government to confront

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him about this outrageous order. Minister Alfredo Moles denied having

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given such an order. The following day, Bao and Calvo

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Sotello visited the office, now more alarmed than before, in

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demanding explanations. Molis downplayed their alarm, saying that it was

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quote unquote trash talk from a couple of officers, to

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which Calvo Sotello rightfully angered, asked the minister are we

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their buddies or members of the government. In the early

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evening hours of July twelfth, Assault Guard Lieutenant Jose del

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Castillo was assassinated by suspected members of the Falonghei, although

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succeeding events prevented the government from confirming who had murdered him.

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Upon hearing this news, an emergency cabinet meeting regarding retaliation

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further murder of Lieutenant del Castillo was conducted between Alfredo Molis,

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Cassaris Kiroga, and Alonzo Molol, with commander of the Guardia

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de Asalto the Assault Guards, Ricardo Burio Sotole, Lieutenant Maxi

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Simo Moreno, and Captain of the Guardia Seville, Fernando Condes.

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After a heated discussion, it was agreed that they would

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arrest high profile right wing figures and defined a list

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of suspects, to which they added a few standing members

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of parliament, Hey why not, among which were Jose Maria

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gil Roblez and Jose Calvo Sotello. During the early hours

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of July thirteenth, Fernando Condes gathered a number of men

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at the Pontejo Sparrax. The most important names among them,

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aside from Condes were Victoriano Juenka aka Luis Quenka Estevas,

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a hitman, bodyguard and close friend of the socialist Indalethio

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Prieto known as the Cuban, Jose Rey Hernandez, bodyguard and

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close friend of the socialist Margharita Nelkin interesting last name,

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Frederico Federico co Garcia, medical student, socialist and coost friend,

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close friend of Indalethio Prieto, and Anetheto Castro Piniera, member

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of the Guardia dia Salto, who would later confess to

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the events which transpired. There were a total of fourteen

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men in a van, followed by a car with five more.

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The van is interesting, We have a picture of it

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in this article. It's of the era, very narrow. The group,

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after a fruitless hunt for Jose gil Robles, who was

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away from Madrid, decided to drive to Velasquez Street number

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eighty nine, the home of Calvo Sotelo. So I'll point

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out Jose gil Robles. I have an article in here

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that Morger also wrote, which is translating a speech that

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Jose gil Roblez gave in the Cortes after the assassination

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of Calvo Sotello, which basically stated the right place case

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and why they were done with talking anymore. Jose Guilrobles

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was the leader of SEEDA, which was that coalition government,

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and Jose Calvo Sotelo wasn't the leader, but he was

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like one of the most prominent figures of that renovasion Espanola,

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which was that that royalist faction. Condes and Quenka left

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the van at Calvo Sotello's home with a group of

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guardia who surrounded the building. The rest followed Condes and

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Quenka inside, where they knocked on the door and were

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met by a maid. And remember this is like two

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or three in the morning. They stated that they wanted

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to carry out a search. The maid warned Calvo Sotello

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what was taking place, so he came to the door.

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Upon opening, Condes and his men entered the home and

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told Calvo Sotello that they were to search his house.

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They spread out and cut the phone line. Kuenka instructed

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Calvo Sotello that by order of the General Security Directorate,

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he was under arrest. Upon hearing this, Sotello warned the

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men that he was a member of Parliament and he

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could not be arrested without the order of a judge

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or clear evidence of a crime. Calvo Sotello attempted to

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make a call to the Security Directorate, but he realized

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the line had been cut and the troopers were preventing

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his wife and maids from leaving the house to call

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for help. Due to the tense situation, Condes showed his

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badge and assured Calvo Sotello that he was called for

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an emergency meeting in Parliament. Once they arrived, he could

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meet with the security chief himself. Seeing the tent situation

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he was in on top of his family being completely

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surrounded and helpless, Calvo Sotello agreed to leave his home

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for the quote unquote meeting. After dressing and kissing his

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children goodbye. His wife pleaded with him not to leave

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the house. Calvo Sotello reassured reassured her that when he

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arrived at Parliament he would call her, though he added

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quote unless these men put a bullet in the back

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of my head unquote. This statement has led many to

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conclude that Calvo Sotello suspected what was going to happen,

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but in order to protect his loved ones, he agreed

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to go, even though he suspected he was to be murdered.

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In the van, Condes proceeded to tell his men that

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it was time to leave. Aniceto. Castro Pinero sat to

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the right of Sotello, while Victoriano Quenka, the hit man,

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sat in the seat directly behind him. The van drove

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for roughly five hundred meters when Victoriano drew a gun

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and shot Calvo Sotello twice in the back of the head,

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causing him to fall dead upon the seats in front

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of him. The van didn't stop, and the men inside

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didn't protest or make a sound. Eventually, the van reached

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a Guardia de Salto checkpoint, which, upon seeing that the

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van was one of there, they let them through. Barely

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00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,160
an hour later, the van arrived at the Cementio del

469
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,079
Este or Eastern Cemetery, where Condes hailed the guards to

470
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,519
let the van in. The men left Calvo Sotello's body

471
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,360
at the door of the morgue without informing the graveyard

472
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,960
shift employees of his identity. So this is a diagram

473
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,679
where he's seated and his assassin was right behind him

474
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,039
with all these other men, and who who was with

475
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:41,639
which Guardia Seville, Guardia Dia Salto and PSOE militants. After

476
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,400
this grim task was performed, the men returned to the

477
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,920
van and drove away. The driver commented, I guess they

478
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,920
won't rat us out. Condes replied, don't worry, nothing will happen.

479
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,400
Quenka added, whoever blabs about this better kill himself or

480
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,920
else we will kill him like this month. Upon return

481
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,960
to the Pondejos Barracks, Commander Burio received Condes and Quenca

482
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,000
with a sound handshake and led them to his office

483
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,519
while the driver, Thomas Perez, cleaned the back of the

484
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,760
van of any blood. The van would be decommissioned the

485
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:21,199
following day. Meanwhile, Calvo Sotello's wife, Lady Enriqueta de Grononda

486
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:26,719
Grondona excuse me, began to contact authorities, friends and relatives.

487
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,039
The instant her husband was taken away. She tried best

488
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,639
to report the kidnapping and get help to track down

489
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,960
Cavo Sotello, but the pertinent authorities reported, quote he hasn't

490
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:41,159
arrived to the General Security Directorate unquote. Many of the

491
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:45,519
public employees, security officers and command members of the General

492
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:50,079
Security Directorate and the Ministry of Public Order corroborated that

493
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,440
no one in charge, upon hearing the news of the

494
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,199
disappearance of Calvo Sotello, took any action to find out

495
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:59,119
where he was. It wasn't until early in the morning

496
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,400
when RelA relatives of Calvo Sotelo went directly to the

497
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,400
government ministry that the crime report was even formally filed.

498
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,880
In this report, a concerned Lieutenant Sanchez Plaza recorded that

499
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,840
during the night, van number seventeen arrived after patrol with

500
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,760
blood inside due to a minor injury to one of

501
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719
the troopers, and all of the agents involved in the

502
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,199
incident were reassigned to other duties the following day. This

503
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,559
information caused panic among Sotello's relatives, and after a short

504
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:39,079
talk outside Subsecretary Osorio's office, Lieutenant Sanchez confirmed that a

505
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,320
group of the Guardia dea Salto had committed high insubordination.

506
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,320
So I have a nice image here of Jose Calvos

507
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Sotello's funeral attended by thousands in Madrid, and I note

508
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:01,199
that libtards had sealed their fate. They weren't, I mean,

509
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,480
they were just getting started. But I mean, there was

510
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,559
there was no way that after this that the military

511
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,360
wasn't going to be involved. Yeah, there was no way

512
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,159
that there was going to be any more.

513
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,159
Speaker 1: Talk, right, And I just think it's interesting that last year,

514
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:25,960
twenty twenty four, when Butler Pennsylvania happened, it happened on

515
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:27,840
July thirteenth.

516
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, I remember you pointing that out, and it's, oh,

517
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,599
it's wild.

518
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who they is when I

519
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,000
say I don't know who they is, But they sure

520
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,599
do like to pick certain dates, don't they. They use

521
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,119
them over and over again, they do. You can go

522
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,679
back a couple centuries on septem Just search September eleventh,

523
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,159
things that happened on September eleventh, and you'll go back

524
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,880
a couple of centuries and you'll be like, has to

525
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,000
be wrong when you see the things that were done

526
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,159
on September on September eleventh of certain years throughout the

527
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,440
last few centuries. It's it's one of those things where

528
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,840
you're like, I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist,

529
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,639
but how can I not be?

530
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, and it makes me it makes me

531
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,519
wonder sometimes. So there's obviously scenarios in which things are

532
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:31,480
done on certain dates for deliberate reasons. There's also, you know,

533
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,280
as as Thomas likes to point out, that war comes

534
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,000
like the seasons, right, you will have a season of war,

535
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,960
and so sometimes I think, you know, there's certain scenarios

536
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,440
in which are like, maybe that's just a cycle, but

537
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,800
it sure is interesting and it's definitely noteworthy, and at

538
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,639
the very least it bears scrutiny before you can come

539
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:58,880
to any conclusions.

540
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: Yep, correct, all.

541
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:08,679
Speaker 2: Right, So again, this is the morning immediately after the assassination,

542
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,480
and tensions are extremely high, but things have not exploded yet.

543
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,400
At the same time, at the same time as this

544
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,400
report was being filed by the family, and these conversations

545
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,719
were taking place internally with concerned officers and like legitimate

546
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,079
guys who worked within the government. At the same time,

547
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:36,960
Alonso Maloul received in his office a nervous captain of

548
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,039
the Guardia dea Salto, concerned over the disappearance of Calvo Sotello.

549
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,519
Malull answered, quote, we should not make hasty conclusions as

550
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:50,360
to what has happened. After all, whatever happened, we cannot

551
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,199
do anything about it, unquote, signaling has his passivity and

552
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320
suggesting to a certain degree that he knew what had happened. Later,

553
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:04,079
this captain would corroborate the outstanding passivity of the government

554
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,440
regarding the disappearance and potential member of a standing member

555
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,960
of Parliament, which spread in the media and reached the

556
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,119
police chief of Madrid, who only gave an order to

557
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,920
arrest the driver of the van. It wasn't until noon

558
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,920
when a cemetery employee reported to town Hall that the

559
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,880
body of Calvo Sotello was in the Morgue. Since he

560
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,880
knew the man personally, he shared all of what was

561
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,960
known to have happened that night at the morgue. Authorities

562
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,360
who weren't controlled by left wing elements, soon mobilized to

563
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,239
investigate the case, although they were constantly halted by higher

564
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,599
ups in the Republican government. For example, when a police

565
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:49,400
lineup was conducted in order to identify the troopers who

566
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,840
took Calvo Sotello. None of the agents who were there

567
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,679
that night were called to it. In fact, the government

568
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,800
took direct action to protect those involved in the event.

569
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,159
When Lieutenant Maximo Moreno was called to testify before a judge,

570
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,639
he took refuge in the General Security Directorate for a

571
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,199
week before agreeing to appear, where he refused to testify.

572
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,119
After the military uprising on July twenty fifth, a group

573
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:23,360
of ten armed communist militiamen burst into the Supreme Court

574
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,639
of the Palace of Justice and demanded to be handed

575
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:29,760
the files and everything related to the investigation of the

576
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,039
murder of Calvo Sotello. Powerless, a judge handed over the

577
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,719
files and from there nobody knows what happened to them.

578
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:43,199
Most of the events related above were corroborated by many people,

579
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,000
from public officials to the friends and family of Jose

580
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:52,360
Calvo Sotello. Probably the most revealing and important of all testimony,

581
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,280
details regarding the actual murder were recounted in an interview

582
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,280
with Ansetto Castro Pignero, a guard Alardia dea Salto, who

583
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,679
was in the van when Sotello was murdered. This enlightening

584
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,880
interview performed during the war in a Nationalist prison camp,

585
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,920
was published in El Diario Vasco newspaper the sixteenth of

586
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,639
November of nineteen thirty eight. So this is two years later,

587
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:25,639
before the war is over. This reporter is able to

588
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,519
interview someone who is involved and what was taking place

589
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,920
in these prisoner of war camps. The nationalists were taking

590
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,320
all these people that they had captured who'd been fighting

591
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,239
against them, and interrogating and parsing them and corroborating their

592
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,199
backgrounds and researching their backgrounds and stories to figure out

593
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:53,199
are these just draftees? Are these people who've been involved

594
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,320
in atrocities? Are these red agitators? Are they just like

595
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,960
a liberal role who happened to vote liberal but they're

596
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,880
not like fire breathers? And then they were drafted or

597
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:12,119
you know, conscripted or whatever. Like this is what those

598
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,880
camps like a major portion of what they were, because

599
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,039
you needed to figure out and identify who had brought

600
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,559
the country to the point where there was a war.

601
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, you had mentioned that the war wasn't over yet,

602
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
but really I think at this point, really isn't it

603
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:33,199
only the battle of Ebro. That's really left, like that's

604
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,360
the only major thing that's going to happen.

605
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: Correct, it's still simmering at this time. The Battle of

606
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,920
the Ebro is still underway. By November sixteenth of thirty eight,

607
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,400
they're completely isolated and cut off up there, and so

608
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,440
that just has to be resolved and then forces kind

609
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,039
of reconstituted so that they can take Catalonia and then

610
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,719
go through Valencia and up through up to Madrid.

611
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,119
Speaker 1: There's a really good book by by Ausbrey Press on

612
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,639
the Battle of Ebro. It is detailed, and it is

613
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:15,719
you know how Darryl's World War One episode how Yeah.

614
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:16,679
Speaker 2: I mean that's how that book is. And you're just like,

615
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,400
all have to get that. That's fairly recent, isn't it?

616
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:22,679
Or am I misremembering?

617
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and that Yeah, that's one of those ones

618
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,199
where you're like, oh, yeah, I wouldn't want to be

619
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,000
in the trenches of World War One and I wouldn't

620
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:31,480
know in the Battle of Ebro.

621
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: No, you would not on either side. It was it

622
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,159
was brutal.

623
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:39,559
Speaker 1: It was brutal.

624
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:46,559
Speaker 2: All right, I wet my whistle and I'm ready to continue.

625
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:52,519
So this is that interview straight out of the newspaper,

626
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,599
and you can find this in Spanish all over the

627
00:44:56,679 --> 00:45:02,880
internet in Spanish language, you know, Spanish Civil War themed

628
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,239
websites and forums and stuff like that. I corroborated all

629
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,079
this stuff. I have a screenshot of like the cover

630
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,760
of this newspaper or the first page of the article,

631
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,559
like above the fold, etc. This is straight out of

632
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:25,000
that paper, and there's photos of the people that are

633
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:30,880
involved and everything like this. This is incredibly well documented.

634
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:35,920
These camps were not just atrocities taking place. They were

635
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,559
just Democrats who wanted to vote, so they were in

636
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:43,320
a prison camp. We filed the paperwork to access the

637
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,840
prison camp and speak with the Guardia dea Salto, who

638
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,400
was in the Van seventeen when the illustrious Jose Calvo

639
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,960
Sotelo was murdered Aniceto Castro Pinero was taken prisoner by

640
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,679
our forces in Madrid near the clinical hospital. We also

641
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,880
need the permission of the standing judge to speak with

642
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,119
the prisoner. Is a little the translation here is slightly stilted,

643
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,360
but it's a good translation in terms of being technically accurate.

644
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,800
This judge is a captain of the law Corps who

645
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,199
not only allowed us to talk with him, but accompanied

646
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,000
us to the camp. We find many prisoners in this place.

647
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,599
We are taken aback by the vast diversity of clothing,

648
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:33,400
some wearing sleeveless shirts, others wool jackets, and most militia

649
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,519
uniforms of many colors. Soon we see a prisoner leaving

650
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,119
the barracks. He stands out among the rest due to

651
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,039
the way he carries himself. That one is Aceto castro Pinero,

652
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,840
says the captain. He approaches our group and addressing the captain,

653
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,480
he asks your orders. The captain answers. These people wish

654
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,559
to ask you some questions. Interviewer, Where are you from

655
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:03,400
Aniceto Lugo. How old are you? Twenty seven? Marital status?

656
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:08,320
I'm single. Siblings. I have two brothers, one in the

657
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Guardia de es Alto and the other a priest. Interesting

658
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360
do you belong to any Did you belong to any

659
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,760
political organization or workers' union before joining the Core? None?

660
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
What was your employment before joining the Core? I was

661
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,440
a farm hand. I also worked as a stonecutter for

662
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,760
a time. What was your first destination when you joined

663
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,320
the Corps? I begun in Oviedo, the capital of Asturias.

664
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,880
I served from November of nineteen thirty four up to

665
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,840
April nineteen thirty five, which would have been a rather

666
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,440
busy first tour given what was going on up there.

667
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,159
Then I was sent to Madrid. Did you request a transfer?

668
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:53,320
Of course, the third of April I joined the second

669
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,519
Assault Company. One of the specials. What specialty did your

670
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,320
company have? We had divisions of mischie gunners, mortars and

671
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:07,679
gas weapons. These are internal police, it's not. They aren't

672
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,719
just like gum shoes and you know, beat cops. Who

673
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,239
was in charge of your company, Captain Moreno Navarro. The

674
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,119
entire group was under the orders of Commander Burrio. It

675
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,760
was said that the Second Company you belonged to leaned

676
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,679
heavily to the left. Almost every trooper in it was

677
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,639
a member of the most extreme left wing organizations. Truly,

678
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,400
very few of us were moderates or right laning. Among

679
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,039
our lot, there were two sergeants who were displeased with

680
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,159
the leftist aspect of the company. It got to a

681
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:43,239
point where any trooper and another company had problems or

682
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,599
a fight with his superiors due to their rebellious leftist attitude.

683
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,360
They asked to be reassigned to the Second Company. They

684
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,480
were among their peers.

685
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: There.

686
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: However, there was another company formed mainly of right wingers,

687
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,440
men of order and loyalty. We called it the Pacific Company.

688
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,679
And I'll add a note here that keep in mind

689
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,880
that the Assault Guards were a special corps established under

690
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:15,639
the Republic by the Republic specifically looking for a to

691
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,840
create a new law enforcement arm that would be loyal

692
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:26,039
to the Republic that would enforce their basically their their

693
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:31,880
politically moderating stance. Their concern was that the Civil Guard

694
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:37,039
was this old established system that had a lot of

695
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:41,800
like royalists and people who had served under the dictatorship,

696
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,360
and they wanted to create this new arm that would

697
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,480
do whatever. But again, you know, obviously you're getting these

698
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,400
rather tough people, and so you need to go with

699
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,320
who you can get, and so there's going to be

700
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,440
kind of a mix of people, but they're kind of segregating,

701
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,639
which you see during the war, the same thing took

702
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:10,360
place the different groups, and it was heavily influenced by

703
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,320
your chances of actually pulling off, you know, asserting whichever

704
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,199
group you decided to throw in with, like in the

705
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,400
time and place of where you were at, so like

706
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,960
if you were behind like republican lines. It would be

707
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,639
a lot harder for you to, you know, side with

708
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:38,239
the nationalists. Gotcha, okay, continuing interviewer, I wished you to

709
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,039
tell us how the crime against mister Calvo Sotelo was

710
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,960
planned and how it took place. I know very little

711
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,400
of the planning. When Lieutenant Castillo was murdered, the second

712
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,519
company was an uproar, no wonder. Lieutenant Castillo had a

713
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:56,000
great reputation among those men, and our company was commonly

714
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,920
called the revolutionary. They were very angry with corporals from

715
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:05,800
Cisco Conde Garcia and Mariano Garcia. Garia being the angriest.

716
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,519
They said they had to put all the fascists down.

717
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,239
They had to kill them to the last to avenge

718
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,960
the lieutenant. You didn't know the assassination of Lieutenant Castillo

719
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:18,719
was carried out by the government in order to rouse

720
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,639
the radical leftists into action. So this is kind of like, yeah,

721
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,400
this is a theory that pushed by the right. I

722
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,079
don't know how accurate it was. I don't think there's

723
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,320
enough evidence to come to any conclusions there, but that

724
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,639
was kind of one of the right wing quote unquote

725
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,760
conspiracy theories that it was that it was an op

726
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,760
of some kind, but it was.

727
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: It's commonly thought that the fallen he carried it out right.

728
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, And I've never seen any evidence that that

729
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:57,039
wasn't the case. But there isn't a ton of evidence.

730
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,440
But again, he was a big glace lowing, pulsating target

731
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,599
for the falong Hay because of the types of stuff

732
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,559
that he was doing against them. Where they would go.

733
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Castillo was leading men to arrest Falonghey members and they

734
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,039
would just like wipe them out quite often. So it's

735
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,320
it's assumed that that's the case. But it's interesting when

736
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:32,280
these things pop up, you know, conspiracy theories of the time. Continuing,

737
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,280
he responds, no, but it wouldn't surprise me if it

738
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,199
was carried out by the government as a false flag. Interviewer,

739
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,239
keep going as I was saying that, kept going on

740
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,599
about avenging Lieutenant Castillo. There were very heated arguments and

741
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:51,599
fists in the air, and with those passions running high,

742
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,920
we got to the night of the twelfth and into

743
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,159
the thirteenth, the captain of the Guardia Seville Condes was

744
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,559
in the barracks of Pontejos. He was in plain clothes.

745
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,960
He made his way to the boss's office. After that,

746
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:08,679
others arrived. Among them there was a sinister man, a

747
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,920
hit man. It was he who carried out the barbaric crime.

748
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,199
Soon begun rumors among the troopers that we were going

749
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,840
to carry out the arrests of dozens of right wingers.

750
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,840
With that news, the leftists among us rejoiced, and like

751
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,039
that midnight arrived. A little after midnight, many troopers left

752
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,159
to carry out the arrests. Around two in the morning,

753
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,119
Lieutenant Andres Leon Lupon left his office and addressed all

754
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,119
of us, saying, three of you get in the van.

755
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:39,599
He then spoke with the Guardia Jose del Rey and

756
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:41,840
gave him a document that looked like a list with

757
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,320
names of people we were to arrest. Three of us

758
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,559
in uniform got in the van. After us came the driver,

759
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,159
Captain Condes, and the Guardia Jose del Rey. After them

760
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440
arrived other troopers, all in plane clothes belonging to the

761
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Guardia dea Salto. With them came the sinner hit man that,

762
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,599
as it was rumored then and I would know much later,

763
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:07,440
was the bodyguard of former socialist minister in de Le

764
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,199
Theo Prieto. That man had a badge from our Corps,

765
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,679
given to him by the General Security Directorate, even though

766
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,639
he didn't fulfill the requirements, which would be handy. He

767
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,679
looked to be around twenty seven, strong and cheery. He

768
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,039
was always smiling. We left the barracks and left up

769
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,400
Alcala Street until we reached Velasquez Street, driving to a

770
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,920
building at the end of the street. We stopped there

771
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,360
and the doorman approached the van to ask the driver

772
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,559
if we arrived to arrest Calvo Sotello. One of the

773
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,880
troopers shouted to him to open the door, keep quiet

774
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,440
and leave if he didn't want to get killed. Captain Condes,

775
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:50,599
who by order of Lieutenant Lupione we had to obey,

776
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:54,559
ordered the Guardias with machine pistols to surround the building

777
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,840
and others to cover the surrounding streets. After that, Condees,

778
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,760
accompanied by the the Guardia, Jose del Rey, and the

779
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,840
hit man, went into the home of mister Calvo Sotello.

780
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,000
By the door, there was the doorman and two guards

781
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,800
who were on duty guarding the house. I do not

782
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,679
know what happened inside, nobody spoke of it. Around fifteen

783
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,679
minutes later they came down, the three of them with

784
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,559
Calvo Sotello, who dressed in a gray suit and carried

785
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,679
a briefcase. They made him get into the van and

786
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,760
he took the third seat in the middle. I sat

787
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,239
to his left and to his right was another trooper.

788
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,519
The hit man sat directly behind Calvo Sotello. Worried, mister

789
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,320
Sotello asked where the captain was, and Condes answered from

790
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,559
outside the van. He looked at us and said, let's

791
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,559
see what they want with me. The other troopers got

792
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,119
in the van soon after. We could see some of

793
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:48,880
his relatives peeking out of the balconies and windows to

794
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:55,039
bid him farewell, to which he answered, waving his hand, sorry.

795
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry man.

796
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:05,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. After that, the van departed. We drove down Velasquez Street.

797
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,239
We didn't even drive five hundred meters when we heard

798
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,320
a weird popping sound. Then Calvo Sotello, without giving a

799
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,000
hint of pain, dropped onto the seat in front of

800
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:19,079
him and rolled on the guardia to his right. Finally,

801
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,920
he dropped to the floor. Two men kicked his body

802
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,639
so that it would fit between the two rows of seats.

803
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:30,320
Moments oh, I'm okay, okay. Moments after, the gunman, who

804
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,719
sat behind mister Sotello got up and, kneeling on the seat,

805
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,320
shot him again in the head. He said, one of

806
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:42,000
the murderers of Castillo is down. And again you were like,

807
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,360
one of the murders of Castillo. What are you talking about.

808
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:51,840
When the anarchists and socialist and communist risings took place

809
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,719
in Austurias and all over the country in nineteen thirty two,

810
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,360
excuse me, nineteen thirty three into nineteen thirty four, the

811
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,199
government cracked down on them and the right wingers were blamed,

812
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,920
even though like the the Republic's government, the Republican government

813
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,719
basically said this is too much. We got to do something.

814
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,199
And the excuse for the uprising, which of course the

815
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:24,559
real goal behind it was Bolshevik revolution and anarchist revolution,

816
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,480
was that, oh, well, we can't tolerate, you know, having

817
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:34,440
an elected right wing government after a legitimate election, like

818
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,519
it's the Republican We're stealing this motherfucker. So that's their

819
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,840
cope is they do killing, there's a reaction to them,

820
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:46,280
and then they call the people who reacted to them

821
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:53,079
to bring an order the murderers, right, okay. Familiar huh

822
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:57,760
sounds familiar sounds familiar I noted that the first shot

823
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,400
of the hitman was from below in the nape, while

824
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
the second was from above in the head. I think

825
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:06,119
the first one had to be lethal. Then the Guardia

826
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,320
to the right of Calvo Sotello got up and left

827
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,719
for a seat in the back. I sat still. Nobody

828
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,400
realized that such a horrible murder took place. Nobody said

829
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,880
a word. Those in the back of the van didn't

830
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,079
even turn their heads. The van kept driving on with

831
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:28,719
its terrible cargo. When we reached the crossing with al

832
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,840
Callas Street, there were a couple of Guardia Dia Salto

833
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,159
at a checkpoint, stopping any driver and asking for papers

834
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,199
from anyone driving at that hour. They signaled us to stop,

835
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:40,880
but when they saw we were in a van of

836
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,360
the Security Directorate, they led us through. We kept driving

837
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,679
on to the Eastern Cemetery. We tried to place the

838
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,320
body of Calvo Sotello in such a way that you

839
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,360
couldn't see it from the outside. We arrived to the

840
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,760
graveyard and Captain Condes and del Rey hailed the cemetery guards.

841
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,199
They opened the door and led us through until we

842
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:06,079
reached the building. The Captain told us to drop the body,

843
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,719
and three of us took it out of the van.

844
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,599
I grabbed one of his arms, another the legs, and

845
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,039
another the other arm. We pulled as hard as we could,

846
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,039
but due to how he fell, it wasn't easy to

847
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,840
get him out. That's why he had bruises on the knees.

848
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,159
We dropped the body outside. There wasn't a struggle, No,

849
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:28,480
the ban was. The van was filled with blood, but

850
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:32,159
Calvo Sotello didn't utter a word. Soon after we drove

851
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,159
back to the barracks. The driver, looking at us and

852
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:39,239
addressing Captain Condez, said, quote, I suppose you won't wrap

853
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,280
me out unquote. Delray answered, quote, don't worry. Whoever blabs

854
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,039
about this better kill himself, or else we will kill

855
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:50,239
him like this mud unquote. We drove back without uttering

856
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,800
a word until we got back to the barracks. When

857
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,480
we arrived, the hit man, or better said the murderer

858
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,559
of Calvo Sotello and Captain Condez left for the office

859
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,000
of Commander Burrio, who gave a handshake to the murderer.

860
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:08,360
They went up to the commander's office. You didn't speak

861
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,800
with any of the troopers about what happened. Not that day,

862
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,880
others caught wind of it from the papers, but I

863
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,880
spoke about it with some friends the next day and

864
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,039
the van what happened to it? Since it was soaked

865
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:23,639
in blood, it had to be cleaned up. That task

866
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,159
was for Guardia Thomas Perez. Once it was done, it

867
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,960
was ordered to be decommissioned. What happened after all of

868
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,079
that we all kept on active duty, but after that

869
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:36,760
day we never saw Captain Contes or the hit man

870
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,480
ever again. A few days after, due to the police investigation,

871
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,239
a maid and a teacher that were in the home

872
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,320
of Cavo Sotelo came to the barracks for a lineup.

873
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,599
All of our company was ordered to attend, except the

874
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,519
three of us who were in the van the day

875
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:54,079
of the murder. This was done to see if any

876
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,199
of the servants of the house recognized any of the

877
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,400
men who were there, but the three of us that

878
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,400
were in the van didn't set foot in the house anyways. Well,

879
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,800
all of this happened, Lieutenant Barletta called the three of

880
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,960
us who weren't at the identity parade which the police lineup,

881
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,119
and told us, quote, don't worry, nothing will happen to you.

882
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:20,880
This hit was ordered by the general Security Director, who

883
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,000
was ordered by the Minister of Government. Everyone in the

884
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,679
government and your bosses know about it. They are the

885
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,760
ones who did it. Unquote, did he really say that

886
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,039
exactly as he said? It was an order from the

887
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:38,039
security director and the government minister. And you know what

888
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:41,320
happened to the others that were in the van with you. Yes,

889
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,920
Guardia del Rey fled to Portugal and then was in

890
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,159
Badajlez as head of the militia. Right now, he's a

891
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,719
lieutenant in Barcelona. I was told that the hit man

892
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,079
was killed and justice was served on his part. They

893
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,599
riddled him with bullets in Guadarama, and last I know,

894
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,199
Captain Condees died in Extremadura, were in some Guardia and

895
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,559
the driver of the van arrested and taken to the

896
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,800
Palace of Justice. Yes, but it was all a ruse.

897
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,079
The government just put up a farce. Why do you

898
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,960
think that Lieutenant Sanchez Planas went to the barracks of Pontejos.

899
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,239
He was the head of the Guardia dia Salto. He

900
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:25,320
probably wanted to know what happened. This information confirms what

901
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,840
we knew already. The murder of mister Calvo Sotello was

902
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,880
a crime ordered by the state. The Blood of Our

903
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,960
Martyr was a war cry against the Marxist beast which

904
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,760
threatened to destroy Spain.

905
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, yeah, this in these next parts are

906
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,599
your notes here are very important and I credit I

907
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,599
credit Morgar with the vast majority of this.

908
01:02:55,519 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: These are his sentiments. But I love that closing the

909
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,119
Blood of Our Martyr was a war cry against the

910
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:09,519
Marxist beast which threatened to destroy Spain. And this is

911
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:14,960
written when they're on the March and the final victory

912
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:20,920
over this Marxist beast in Spain is almost achieved. The

913
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,840
final victory for now there is.

914
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas and I are doing We're doing a series

915
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,840
on super Off and Hoffman's book which Penn basically pinn

916
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:41,719
World War Two, on Stalin, Icebreaker, Outstanding Icebreaker, and Stalin's

917
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:45,840
War of Extermination. Yes, yes, really good books. And I

918
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,360
haven't gotten through all of Stalin's War of Extermination, but

919
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,679
I've read Icebreaker and Icebreakers. I mean that it was

920
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,239
one of those ones is just all circumstantial evidence, but

921
01:03:54,320 --> 01:04:00,480
it's so once you you read it all, you're just like, yeah, this,

922
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,320
we're so far away from the you know from the

923
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,679
official officially what happened to that led up to that

924
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,599
led up to that conflict. But one of the things, yeah,

925
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:17,519
one of the things I said in that episode at

926
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:20,519
the end of that episode was, you know what a

927
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,599
lot of people don't realize. You know, Spain and the

928
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:31,199
Right get all this flack for you know, Germany helping

929
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:37,599
them and Italy helping them, and you know basically fascists

930
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:41,079
coming in from Romania, coming in from everywhere to help them,

931
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,639
but they left after they won. If the Left would

932
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:53,239
have won, Spain belonged to Stalin. Absolutely, he wasn't leaving,

933
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:55,960
and that means that he would have had a foothold

934
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,119
at the top of the peninsula, and he would have

935
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:01,079
had a foothold that the bottom of the peninsula. He

936
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:03,800
would have had he would have basically had the mouth

937
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,719
of the Mediterranean.

938
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Speaker 2: And I suspect that the international brigades would have swelled

939
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:19,480
and the Communists in Western Europe would have amassed there

940
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:22,840
as well as you know, the anglosphere would have amassed

941
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,719
in Spain to prepare for the next phase. I firmly believe.

942
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, it's uh, people do not realize what the

943
01:05:34,039 --> 01:05:40,599
bullet that was dodged by by the right winning absolutely

944
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,320
if the left would have won, I mean, if a

945
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:51,559
left woot have won basically, I mean, well, the outcome

946
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:56,400
of World War two was bad enough, there's a pretty

947
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,800
good chance Stalin would have had all of Europe. And

948
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,800
I don't know that. I don't know that the United

949
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,119
States or England would have said anything about.

950
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:15,599
Speaker 2: It, And England would have just basically continued on the

951
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:19,360
angle that it was that it was following right, that

952
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,480
they would have just been that much more communist flavored

953
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,920
instead of pretending that they aren't.

954
01:06:27,239 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, go on, all.

955
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,639
Speaker 2: Right, let's wrap this up. So these are Morguris sentiments,

956
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:39,960
but great stuff. While I advise that everyone read this

957
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,679
with a pinch of salt, it was written during the war,

958
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,800
after all, it is important to note that the bloodlust

959
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,719
of the left was not much different then, as it

960
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,679
is now an open secret to everyone that they constantly

961
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:57,320
tried to deny publicly. Obviously, although less so, I'll add

962
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:00,039
these days, as they do not want to suffer the

963
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:03,519
rightful retribution which will eventually come, and if it comes

964
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:05,760
to one of them, they firmly believe it will come.

965
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,000
For every single one of them. That said, the true

966
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:13,280
subject of this article is the indecisive centrist or conservative,

967
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,360
the man who stands by and lets things happen, either

968
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,079
out of fear or indifference, an all too common archetype today,

969
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:25,480
as they watch the world devolve into barbarism, yet refuse

970
01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:30,079
to budge until they are personally victimized, or refuse even

971
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:33,239
then to act, whether out of fear of prison, social

972
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,079
score and death, economic loss. Such are legion in this

973
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:40,880
day and age. While their passivity is worthy of scorn,

974
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,199
you must remember that many of them are struggling, like

975
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,719
you or others. You know. They wish they could do something.

976
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:51,360
They wish they could spare time or money, or maybe

977
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:54,960
escape from everything that is becoming worse and worse over time.

978
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,199
But remember, while the left will attempt to gain the

979
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:01,599
support of the middle via tear or you can win

980
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:07,800
them over by offering a world of order and virtue

981
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,519
the end. This is the monument to Jose Calvos Otello

982
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:15,599
and the Plaza de Castilla in Madrid.

983
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: Do you think that they do? You think they can

984
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:20,479
be won over by that?

985
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 2: I believe?

986
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: How bad will it have to get in order for

987
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,720
them to embrace the virtue.

988
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:31,279
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like they they will get with

989
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:36,039
the program, and you will have people as things progress

990
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,880
they get that get with the program sooner rather than later.

991
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,600
But I think it's a it's a progression. Many are

992
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,039
you know, pretty much useless. What matters is that they

993
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:51,880
stay out of the way.

994
01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's it's unfortunately, that's exactly where it exactly.

995
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,439
The point is that right now they're just in the

996
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:12,119
way and they just need to step aside, and they

997
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:16,239
don't want to. I mean they yeah, they've they've been

998
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,319
in power for so long. They've been you know, they've

999
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,319
been the top of the heap for so long, and

1000
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,600
it's like, well, no, no, I'm gonna hold on to

1001
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:30,119
this until the day I die. Well, everything else is

1002
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:35,079
dying around you while you're while you're holding out, So yeah,

1003
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,920
maybe you need to step aside.

1004
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel I feel pretty positive in regards

1005
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:52,760
to wherever there's energy, it's either on our like real energy,

1006
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:59,079
it's on our side or the enemies. And that middle

1007
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:05,800
is is so increasingly irrelevant that you know, I just

1008
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,479
want to be left alone. As a sentiment you hear

1009
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,159
all the time, but they're irrelevant. They don't participate in anything,

1010
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:19,119
They don't do anything, And I just feel like that

1011
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,520
their irrelevancy is so obvious to people that they're just

1012
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:30,359
not worried about them. And that's the correct mentality to have. Like,

1013
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,079
every once in a while, you run across someone who's like, ah,

1014
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:36,640
someone's we got to persuade all these people, and other

1015
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,880
people are like, no, they will be persuaded by action

1016
01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:46,760
and events taking place around them, and so I wouldn't

1017
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,279
worry about it. You know.

1018
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember a few years ago when Sean Brennan

1019
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,720
well like mentioned the enemies of the regime and he

1020
01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:01,199
happens to mention libertarians. Yes, yeah, their fucking nipples got

1021
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:02,079
hard when he said that.

1022
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all.

1023
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:10,079
Speaker 1: Got so excited because look, we're relevant. I had someone

1024
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:12,640
tell me that he goes, we're an enemy of the regime.

1025
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,399
Because John Brennan, I'm like, somebody told him to say

1026
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,039
that he doesn't know what a libertarian is. Are you

1027
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:21,840
kidding me? This is this is a guy who was

1028
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,199
going on TV and talking about his white privilege. Do

1029
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:28,680
you think he can explain to you what white privilege

1030
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,399
means in it? You know, in in context of who

1031
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:37,960
he's supposed to be signaling that to please stop libertarians,

1032
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:43,560
classical liberals are a threat. Well, how come there, how

1033
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:47,960
come they're the ones who are leaking the fucking group chats.

1034
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well he could be. It could be a

1035
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,520
mask off moment because, as we know, the Bolsheviks always

1036
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:03,039
enjoy massacring the libertarians. So they're literally they're not an

1037
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:09,239
actual combatant enemy, but they're an enemy that they deal with, right.

1038
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 1: They usually they usually end up being useful in some

1039
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:13,159
way to them.

1040
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're useful idiots, and then they just get

1041
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,279
rid of them, even though they're never a threat. They

1042
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:22,720
just they just sweep them into the dust bin. They

1043
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,159
do it everywhere. They did it in Russia, they did

1044
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,119
it in Spain.

1045
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. You can read about some like they

1046
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,399
would just have it in the streets of Madrid. A

1047
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,680
libertarian and an anarchist, or a libertarian and a communist

1048
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,279
would just start having an argument and the communist or

1049
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:46,159
the anarchists would just pull a gun out and she's

1050
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:49,039
the libertarian, just kill them right there, even though they

1051
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:50,279
were on the same even though they were on the

1052
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:50,960
same side.

1053
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,199
Speaker 2: Yep.

1054
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're fighting side by side and they're like I mean,

1055
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,640
which is one of the reason, you know, probably the

1056
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,279
main reason the left lost, thankfully, was not only because

1057
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:05,720
the Right was you know, they had purpose and they

1058
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,479
were basically fighting a crusade. And it's kind of hard

1059
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,640
to beat crusaders. But you're it's kind of hard to

1060
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,239
beat crusaders if you're not organized, if you're not one,

1061
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:23,720
if you're not all dropping your your ideological yeah, your

1062
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,039
ideological baggage, and you're letting it get in the way,

1063
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:31,640
and you're like executing the person who's fighting alongside of you.

1064
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: Exactly, insane, exactly, And they.

1065
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:37,359
Speaker 1: Could have probably held me, They could have probably held

1066
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,960
Madrid if it wasn't.

1067
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:44,279
Speaker 2: Probably they probably could have. But the the other thing, too,

1068
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:48,079
is is it took so long there was there was

1069
01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:52,520
such a long protracted period of this internal grinding against

1070
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,000
each other because remember Madrid, there was that heavy push

1071
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:03,079
for I want to say, like nine months about before

1072
01:14:05,319 --> 01:14:08,800
before the nationalists pretty much just stopped worrying about Madrid.

1073
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,600
I mean, they still had to have their holding units

1074
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:16,159
there to retain you know, the ground that they had

1075
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:22,119
taken around it, but they weren't attempting any pushes after

1076
01:14:22,199 --> 01:14:28,520
basically Spring of nineteen thirty seven, and so when they

1077
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,039
shifted nationalist attention elsewhere to grind out the war elsewhere.

1078
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,840
To your point, the various factions in Madrid had nothing

1079
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,159
to do, no one to fight with except each other,

1080
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,840
which is brilliant really to leave them to fight against

1081
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,199
one another, so that by the time, you know, the

1082
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,760
grinding war has taken place all around the country, all

1083
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,880
that you have left are these you know, hardcore like

1084
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,760
internal security types who aren't like real soldiers. They are

1085
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,000
just murderers that are running around in the cities, you know,

1086
01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:12,600
quote unquote, you know, maintaining order, and they don't. They

1087
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,159
don't have anyone who wants to fight with them. Left

1088
01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:21,159
to the point where there was a huge faction within

1089
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,399
that basically took over the government, you know, the remains

1090
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,000
of the Republican government, and said we're going to surrender.

1091
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,359
A couple of communists stood up and tried to you know,

1092
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,760
take them out, and they were crushed because everyone was

1093
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,560
basically like, all we have to do is kill like

1094
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:40,840
a couple of hundred communists and the war is over.

1095
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,760
And the war is over anyway, so why not just

1096
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,920
waste them and like negotiate, which is what they did,

1097
01:15:48,079 --> 01:15:52,039
and then they handed over Madrid to the nationalists basically

1098
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:57,279
without a shot fired against the nationalists. So absolutely incredible

1099
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,279
and an important lesson. That's what they do. And so

1100
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:05,800
all these people, these like libertarians who are taking up

1101
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,359
aspects of the left because they're like, oh, you're just statists.

1102
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:14,000
You worshiped the state, you know, Oh what about the

1103
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:19,720
liberties of the people being grabbed by ice. It's like, look,

1104
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:23,159
if you want that kind of world, you need to

1105
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:26,399
understand who it's for and who can create it and

1106
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,000
who can maintain it. And it's not the people being deported,

1107
01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:37,680
like if they're here the parasitism that you decried in

1108
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:43,119
the nineties when it was almost purely domestic parasitism, like

1109
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:47,640
what you have now is thirty thirty five years of

1110
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:54,319
highly evolved parasitism. Whereas we've seen recently the snap benefits

1111
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,920
are going like two thirds to foreigners, if not more

1112
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,600
than two thirds. It's massive, and they're people who are

1113
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,319
literally imported here just to be given gibbs and just

1114
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:13,960
to replace you. So they're out of here. You have

1115
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,840
a much better chance of resolving the internal situation where

1116
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,800
you have more of the liberty that you want because

1117
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,279
it's a Western country and filled with Western people who

1118
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:31,239
care about European people who care about this These beliefs

1119
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:34,319
that you say are important to you, you can't get

1120
01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:39,760
that among being swarmed with people who not only don't

1121
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,960
believe in this stuff, but have been told that they're

1122
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:47,079
here to take your stuff, and so all they have

1123
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:49,840
to do is side with the people who want to

1124
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:57,760
take your stuff and replace you, and so they do it. Sorry,

1125
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,000
it's not that complicated.

1126
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just once you see it, you know, it's, uh,

1127
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:16,600
it's kind of hard to unseee because you once you

1128
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,960
start reading about stuff like this, you know, it's like,

1129
01:18:19,079 --> 01:18:24,520
I mean libertarians and classical you know, that's so much

1130
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:29,000
classical liberals, but definitely like the libertarian types will say,

1131
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:31,560
you know, the reason the Spanish Civil War happened is

1132
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:37,880
because they were all statists. Yeah, and what do you

1133
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,560
I mean, what.

1134
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,239
Speaker 2: So the anarchists in Catalonia who are running around murdering

1135
01:18:47,399 --> 01:18:53,279
priests and raping nuns and burning down churches. Uh, well

1136
01:18:53,319 --> 01:18:55,239
they weren't statists.

1137
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,520
Speaker 1: Well they were those Those aren't real anarchists, Carl.

1138
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: Choose your own Spanish Civil War?

1139
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1140
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:09,119
Speaker 2: Libertsion libertarians. That's like eight people agreed with them in

1141
01:19:09,159 --> 01:19:14,880
all of Spain. Like maybe maybe they called they even

1142
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:20,960
called themselves libertarian, they were still the violent anarchists among them.

1143
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:25,439
Hope all you want. That's who they were. That's where

1144
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,600
your identity comes from.

1145
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, well, I think the one thing I think they're

1146
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,159
One of the reasons why the libertarian to remember they

1147
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:40,199
called it the alt right pipeline, why that exists is

1148
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:45,439
is because deep down in the recesses of their the

1149
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,560
part of their the part of them that they don't

1150
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:56,159
want to admit exists, they know that authoritarianism is the

1151
01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:58,960
only way that they get to anything that looks close

1152
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,319
to what they want.

1153
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,199
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's that I realized that quite you know,

1154
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:09,479
relatively early in the period of calling myself a libertarian.

1155
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,159
I was like, that's the only way you can get

1156
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:15,800
to it. And then I read Hoppah and was like,

1157
01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:19,000
that's literally all he just said. He repeated the exact

1158
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:22,399
same thing that I kind of intuited, And yeah, so

1159
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,840
you know, if you're just holding it as like this,

1160
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:28,640
it'd be nice to have. It's an ideal that I

1161
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,279
would like to achieve. You have to understand that the

1162
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:35,000
only way to get anywhere close to that is you

1163
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:40,000
have the shield wall around your society on the outside

1164
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,560
so that you can have that kind of world on

1165
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,800
the inside. And you have to have that shield wall,

1166
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:51,680
and you have to enforce that against people that oppose it,

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which is not very nice, and that requires power to

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do it. And if you call that a state, or

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it's a group of people you know who just volunteer

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to do it. Hey, you know whatever, call it whatever

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you want, man, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm very happy that I used

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to be able to look at a situation and go, hey,

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here's the problem. But no, I didn't. I didn't know

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what the problem was.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't able. Oh, Libertarians are really good at diagnosing No,

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they're not.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Communists Marxists are much better. People who like study dialectical materialism.

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They're much better at diagnosing what the problem is. The

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problem is. They don't know how to fix it any better.

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Their ways are just as destructive as the anarcho capitalists.

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Speaker 2: Answer would be absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, tell everybody where they can find you.

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And you know, we were just reading basically right off

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of your substack. So yes, this, there is more stuff

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like there's more stuff like that on there, so tell

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people where they can find it.

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Speaker 2: Carl Dahl dot substack dot com. That's k A r

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L d a h l dot substack dot com. I

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have two bicks on Amazon, Faction and Faction with the Crusaders.

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Faction with the Crusaders is my Spanish Civil War story.

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I'm also on Twitter, although I really dislike Twitter, but

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every once in a while I will put up a banger,

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so that's that's where you see my my mindless posts

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thrown into the void. And I also will update you

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know when I'm posting stuff on substack there as well.

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But it's fun because you get to engage with your friends.

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So thanks, Pete, had a great time talking to you today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's what the group chats are for though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. The group chats are the best part

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of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, appreciate it, Carl, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks