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<v Speaker 2>West Tigers Podcast Episode number four hundred and thirteen. Joined

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<v Speaker 2>by Stephen Declan on a Wednesday. I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>a Wednesday night, Declo, but we're doing a very family

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<v Speaker 2>friendly time today five point thirty pm. We're recording.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, yeah, Barry relate to record podcast at twelve

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<v Speaker 3>o'clock at night, and you know the people that have

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<v Speaker 3>nombals like to be dead by that time, So I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate everyone moving beot to five thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's great for my sleep. Harbits, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't deny that, Declan, but I do know that

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<v Speaker 2>you told me that there's a rugby game on tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I don't really follow rugby, but what's on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the British and Irish Lions have started their turn

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<v Speaker 3>to Australia, so I'm very excited for that they're playing

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<v Speaker 3>the Reds today eight o'clock kickoff, So it's good. They's

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<v Speaker 3>change your place where I'm going into a rugby game

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<v Speaker 3>expecting my team to win. So I can't say that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not excited for it. But yeah, that's where we're.

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<v Speaker 4>At the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you think the Reds all win.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think the Reds will win.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going for the Lions and I think they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 3>do Persca on them, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure that'll be a huge game. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say I'll be tuning in, Steve. Do you do you

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<v Speaker 2>deal far off the rugby league and cricket landscape or

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<v Speaker 2>not really sport?

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<v Speaker 5>No, not at all, not at all these days. I

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<v Speaker 5>used to I used to enjoy rugby when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd get up for the you know, if there were

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<v Speaker 5>test matches on the middle of the night, that sort

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<v Speaker 5>of thing. But I haven't for a long time. They've

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<v Speaker 5>just changed the rules and it's just so boring.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone knows the rules in rugby when

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<v Speaker 2>the ref blows a penalty. But this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>rugby podcast, boys, it's West Tiger's midweek podcast. We will

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<v Speaker 2>preview the Bruster's game and we'll try and do Yoddi's

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<v Speaker 2>quiz at the end as well. But we've got a

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<v Speaker 2>fair bit of bit of stuff to get through. Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a Michael Chammers article that got that dropped

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<v Speaker 2>about three o'clock this afternoon. I'm just going to paraphrase

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<v Speaker 2>some of that and going to get your guy's reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to it. The headline was West Tiger's promised things would change,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's starting to look like the same old story.

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<v Speaker 2>Chamis rehashed some old quotes from Shane Richardson when he

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<v Speaker 2>joined the club, which was basically saying clubs win premierships

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<v Speaker 2>when they bring through their juniors. We have to make

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<v Speaker 2>it clear to everyone. We're not a recruitment club. We're

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<v Speaker 2>a development club. This club and I'm parafer this let

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<v Speaker 2>players go around seven years ago and we've never recovered.

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<v Speaker 2>He then goes on to talk about a bit about

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<v Speaker 2>talent the Silwell, which we'll go into later separately, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Chambers article focuses on the fact that Marshall has

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<v Speaker 2>basically backed Appy Kirasaur a strong relationship with his senior players,

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<v Speaker 2>but in terms of selecting coaches, he's rarely looked outside.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sort of inner circle in terms of players that

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<v Speaker 2>he played with in two thousand and five, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a feeling in the dressing room, according to Chambers, that

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<v Speaker 2>the coach favors certain players or there are different clicks developing,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps the Tigers have compromised their long term future

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of backing Benji with some of these signings

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<v Speaker 2>rather than looking at the long term. The last bit

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting. I mean, it's easy to be flippant about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he actually describes the fact a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago that apparently I'm trying not to laugh when I

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<v Speaker 2>say this, that Marshall actually tackled Adam Dewey and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>sent him crashing to the ground, and there was an

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<v Speaker 2>altercation after that, And the fact that he regularly joins

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<v Speaker 2>in a post sessions plays for the reserve grade team

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<v Speaker 2>against first grade team, which is I think has been

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<v Speaker 2>well known over the past eighteen months, and that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a concern that he doesn't know what sort of

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<v Speaker 2>behavior is well, where the line is between being a

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<v Speaker 2>player and being a coach and what's acceptable. Steve, I

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<v Speaker 2>start with you on this one. A few people text

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<v Speaker 2>me and said there's going to be a big investigation

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<v Speaker 2>in the West Tigers. I've got to be honest. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get any great revelations out of this. Looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he's rehashing some old quotes and basically Benji Backs's senior player, Shakarra,

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<v Speaker 2>what a horrible thing to do as a coach, and

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<v Speaker 2>riche backs Benji even though Benji's not right all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and Benji likes to join into the training. They were

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<v Speaker 2>my four main points I got.

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<v Speaker 4>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I think Chalmers maybe sat down this morning and

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<v Speaker 5>there wasn't a lot happening and thought, well, what can

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<v Speaker 5>I write about regarding West Tigers because that'll always get

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<v Speaker 5>some attention. And he's put together, you know, the main

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<v Speaker 5>points of what's happened over the last couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 5>and turn it into another article. And how he got

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<v Speaker 5>his mate the Mole to put all those socials out

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<v Speaker 5>saying breaking news and huge story about to drop and

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<v Speaker 5>all this rubbish because it was it was. It was rubbish, right.

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<v Speaker 5>There's stuff in there to discuss, for sure, but there

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<v Speaker 5>was nothing earth shattering, There was nothing groundbreaking. It was just,

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<v Speaker 5>in my opinion more clickbait from a journalist who had

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<v Speaker 5>nothing better to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Declan, did you learn anything from the article?

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<v Speaker 3>No, not really except that, as you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>HadAM do got forwarded by Benji Marshall. That was the

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<v Speaker 3>only thing I really took away from that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I said in the group chat before that I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a huge fan of make Couch. Honest, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 3>a huge fan of any Rugbyley journalists. I just think

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<v Speaker 3>the whole environment is so toxic and if you but

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<v Speaker 3>to get them on side, you have to give them access,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you don't give them access then they absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>go at you. They attack your character. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>second like kind of big article that Michael Champs has

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<v Speaker 3>wrote in relation to Benji not being a good coach.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that that was the reason why Galvin ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>decided to leave the club was because of like beers

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<v Speaker 3>that Benji Marshall wasn't a good coach. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that's extra kind of slimy about it as

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<v Speaker 3>well is they always draft. They always draft the article

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<v Speaker 3>as someone else is saying it, when it's probably just

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<v Speaker 3>their opinion or maybe they've talked to someone I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but like it's quite clear that that's Champis's opinion that

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't think that, like Benji Marshall is a good coach,

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<v Speaker 3>and he just kind of weasily tries to make it

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<v Speaker 3>seem like it's not coming from him, it's coming from someone.

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<v Speaker 4>Within this club.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't name anyone, like it's an anonymous source, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just I don't respect that at all, Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>just crazy in a like in a professional environment you

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<v Speaker 3>can just write anything you want and you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to back it up at all, Like it's crazy to me,

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<v Speaker 3>Like coming from a legal background, I just find that

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<v Speaker 3>like golf smacking. So yeah, I didn't really learn anything

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<v Speaker 3>in relation to it. I think we all know these

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<v Speaker 3>kind of elements of Benji's coaching have been out there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's probably fair enough to like attack his

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<v Speaker 3>record as a coach, because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what he.

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<v Speaker 4>The win game.

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<v Speaker 3>But to just see all this stuff about how he

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<v Speaker 3>joins in at training and like he runs plays, I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't really see how it has anything to do

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<v Speaker 3>with us winning and losing on the weekend. Like I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you want to see he's a bad coach

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<v Speaker 3>then go for it like there's plenty of evidence.

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<v Speaker 4>This season of us struggling and I was making mistakes.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't see why the media is obsessed with

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<v Speaker 3>going back to this thing of him like picking up

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<v Speaker 3>a ball and running drills of training.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't make sense to me because.

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<v Speaker 5>They take the one story Decline that maybe three four

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<v Speaker 5>six months ago someone wrote and it got a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of it got a bit of momentum, and they saw

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<v Speaker 5>that that story got momentum, so they just rehashed the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing over and over and over again in the

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<v Speaker 5>hope that it will also their story will pick up momentum.

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<v Speaker 5>Like how many times have we heard this stuff about

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<v Speaker 5>Benji Marshall been involved in training, Like I've heard this before.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Brad Arthur, Michael maguire used to do the

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<v Speaker 5>fitness with the players and beat a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 5>So what right? Okay, there needs to be separation from

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<v Speaker 5>player and coach. Absolutely there does, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 5>the bloke can't get involved in you know, hands on

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<v Speaker 5>sessions out on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying. Boys,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say Declan, I generally agree with you your wide

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<v Speaker 2>premise there that analists. I don't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time for a lot of them. I will say that

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Chammers is one I do. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>guy at all, never spoken to him, never met him

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, but I will say he stood up

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<v Speaker 2>to feel Good in that one a couple of months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think generally he's pretty fair and he's accessible

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<v Speaker 2>to the fans at least on his his social media stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>which a lot of them are not. I know Steve's

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<v Speaker 2>had dealings with ones in the past that won't even reply.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't agree, well, just on that Fell guild thing,

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<v Speaker 3>like everyone says that make Chalmers stood up to him,

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<v Speaker 3>but in the actual interview he qualified his opinion by

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<v Speaker 3>staid that, oh you're a Fell. No, you're you're three

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<v Speaker 3>steps ahead of everyone, like you obviously knew what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>So he was clearly like sucking up to him.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's that's sometimes that's the tactic to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give someone a compliment then having them down. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly that smart play for me.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's like the level the expectation we have on

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<v Speaker 3>these journalists to like ask journalistic questions that have integrity,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just so low that like he like he

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<v Speaker 3>asks Bill Goold a non softball question and then everyone

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<v Speaker 3>just like appraises him for being some sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>like emblem of like journalistic integrity. Wouldn't in actuality like

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<v Speaker 3>he fair played too, we did ask a question, and

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<v Speaker 3>like he asked it to someone who's on the same

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<v Speaker 3>side of the Fairfax News Corp. Like feud, So like

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<v Speaker 3>credit him for that, but I wouldn't say like he

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<v Speaker 3>put him on the spot or like he really he

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<v Speaker 3>roasted them in a way that I think other like

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<v Speaker 3>if this was another sport from another country, like Goild

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<v Speaker 3>would have gotten so much worse. So I give him

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of credit, but I don't give him

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<v Speaker 3>a ton of credit like a lot of people do.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I agree a little bit with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Better than a lot of other people, but like there's

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<v Speaker 3>still things that he writes that I have a problem with,

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think he should be someone who like

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<v Speaker 3>people just like, oh he's the good one, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like Michal Champion, he's gonna because he's just he just

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<v Speaker 3>plays the same game as everyone else. Like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like you gave me access. Otherwise I'm going to flog

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<v Speaker 3>you in my articles. And that's the scene as all

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<v Speaker 4>In my opinion, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Fired up Declan tonight. I love this second and he's back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's back, and he's fired up. Steve just breaking down

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<v Speaker 2>little bits of the article I want to touch on. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all if we're all going to be prisoners of

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<v Speaker 2>quotes we made eighteen months ago, we'd all be dead

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<v Speaker 2>and buried. So I don't want to hammer Shane Richardson

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<v Speaker 2>for the fact that he came in and he said that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, premierships are won through local juniors, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to make it clear to everyone we're not

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<v Speaker 2>a recruitment club, We're a development club. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really understand that line of recruitment club development club.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to throw it out and put

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned in a few weeks ago just have to

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<v Speaker 2>be both. They have to be ruthless, they have to

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<v Speaker 2>be balanced, they have to be winning clubs. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think unfortunately with some of these quotes, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hammer him, but it sort of backed him

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think you're right. Look, I think if you're

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<v Speaker 5>still going to recruit from the outside. I just think that,

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<v Speaker 5>these terminology is in the actual meaning of the terminology

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<v Speaker 5>right now. And so if you're a development club, it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't mean you don't recruit. It just means that you

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<v Speaker 5>mix your squad with outside players and inside players, I

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<v Speaker 5>would say, And that's the same I suppose if you're

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<v Speaker 5>if you're a recruitment club, you know, it's just what

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<v Speaker 5>you do more of. So I think you're right. I

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<v Speaker 5>think you're a you know, with rich O I said

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<v Speaker 5>the other day when we all said it on the pod,

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<v Speaker 5>we were dumbfounded, right, we were dumbfounded with the Silver situation,

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<v Speaker 5>and none of us seem to be able to understand

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<v Speaker 5>or see reasoning as to why he was let go

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<v Speaker 5>so early, you know, considering the position that's left us in,

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<v Speaker 5>which which has made the fan base quite volatile. Really,

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<v Speaker 5>but we don't know the whole situation. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 5>to bag him over the Galvin situation. I've said before,

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<v Speaker 5>I think he handled the Galvin situation pretty much spot on.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what else he could have done. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what else the club could have done in

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<v Speaker 5>the Galvin situation, So I think to use that against

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<v Speaker 5>him pretty poor. The DA Silver, Yeah, I've got questions

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<v Speaker 5>about that, but I don't know. You know workings either.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's go straight to the DA Silver quotes that

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<v Speaker 2>Rich I think put out a day or two ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and will circle back to maybe Charmer's article on a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on Beggie's future, but declan Some of his

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<v Speaker 2>quotes were basically, I told the family we would not

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<v Speaker 2>hold him back if we re signed Appy. The kid

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<v Speaker 2>wants to play NRL and I think he can. We

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<v Speaker 2>had to make a decision for the betterment of the club.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to win games now, but we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to string him along for another two or three years

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to play first Raid again. Oh stress, These are

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<v Speaker 2>not direct quotes. It's paraphrasing a lot of his quotes.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, there's too much money for a in our

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<v Speaker 2>hooking ranks. I think that would probably be understandable to

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<v Speaker 2>be spending one point three to five million on two

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<v Speaker 2>hookers and having a backup hooker on considerable money for

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<v Speaker 2>next year. This is the big one for me. By

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<v Speaker 2>letting him go, it gives us a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>extra money in our cap, or we save a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of extra money this year, but we save a

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<v Speaker 2>significant amount of money next year. This was the best

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<v Speaker 2>decision for all. You were fired up about this a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days ago, and I think for the same

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<v Speaker 2>reasons that we were. Not that the fact that Talan

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<v Speaker 2>won't be here in twenty twenty seven, but the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he's being he's already training with paramatter and he's

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<v Speaker 2>gone and he's out the window, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Rich has come out and the best he could offer

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<v Speaker 2>for me is that we're saving a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>money in our cap this year. Is that going to

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<v Speaker 2>wash with fans? And is that fair enough for he?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it'll wash with the fans, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's fair enough as well. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 3>poor excuse to spin what's happened, because I understand that

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<v Speaker 3>we think that happy is the best option going forward,

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<v Speaker 3>like even though he's a little bit older, we think

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<v Speaker 3>that we're the best chance of winning, and on that basis,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to resign to Silva, and unfortunately to

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<v Speaker 3>Selva made it pretty clear that he wasn't happy to

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<v Speaker 3>play second fiddle to Happy. I think that's incredibly disappointing

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<v Speaker 3>on its own, considering he's only a twenty year old

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<v Speaker 3>local junior coming through.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's for the Birds now. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing that I just don't understand is that why

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<v Speaker 3>is he going now, Like like we are the only

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<v Speaker 3>club in the NRL that would do this, like give

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<v Speaker 3>away a perfectly good player who can play first grade

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<v Speaker 3>like at the June at Dirty Deadlight. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>any other club that did it if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>all the other outgoings from clubs, their fringe news cirpowers

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<v Speaker 3>Cup players that the clubs was brilling to release. Look

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<v Speaker 3>at Newcastle, I mean, like with it Capers, Paul, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean he's leaving next year, and like we made inquiries

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<v Speaker 3>about getting them like app before the June thiry deadline

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<v Speaker 3>because we like, obviously he's coming next year, we want

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<v Speaker 3>to get him early. But then Newcastle were just like,

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<v Speaker 3>well no, because you know he helps us winning this year,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're going to keep him. And I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand why why we've done this. It's insane we've and

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<v Speaker 3>now we've got trust and hope starting nine against the

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<v Speaker 3>Roosters again, that like is absolutely must win if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't already believe that the season is over.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just crazy, like to.

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<v Speaker 3>Save like a little bit of money this year, like

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<v Speaker 3>fair enough, released him next year, Like I trust the

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<v Speaker 3>coaching staff to make that decision. If they don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to be like a long term benefit for

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<v Speaker 3>the club or at least short term next season, that's

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<v Speaker 3>fair enough. But just to release him for nothing when

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<v Speaker 3>there's so much pressure on the club.

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<v Speaker 4>And then what really annoyed me.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the quotes about how from Richison about how you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was a good thing because they were honest

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<v Speaker 3>with like talent, honest with his family, like did right

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<v Speaker 3>by him.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's great for Talent, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that he's feeling really good about the situation

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<v Speaker 3>now because he got exactly what he wants. But now

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<v Speaker 3>the club is in trouble and Richardson's employed to represent

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<v Speaker 3>the best interest of the club and that includes in

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<v Speaker 3>the short term. And I think just like I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>piggy back on Steve's point as well, where every year

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<v Speaker 3>we just seem to release players just to free up

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<v Speaker 3>salary cap room, and I understand it. This is like

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<v Speaker 3>a bad contract, like it's an old player like who

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<v Speaker 3>is probably not performing on the period.

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<v Speaker 4>But we have genuine need for him.

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<v Speaker 3>And not only that, we've given him to a Western

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<v Speaker 3>City rival in the Paramatta Eels, and we've given Galvin

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<v Speaker 3>to the Bulldogs. And as Steve said, I understand why

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<v Speaker 3>the club would want to get Galvin out as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as possible, so I don't hold a grudge against him

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<v Speaker 3>for that, but talent there didn't seem to be a

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<v Speaker 3>problem with at least keeping him till the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the year. I just don't understand, and like it just

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<v Speaker 3>seems like we're here to like to help other clubs

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<v Speaker 3>at this point. And I made the joke on and

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<v Speaker 3>the group chart, like maybe the penwidth for what define

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<v Speaker 3>her brothers? Like why not just give it to him

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<v Speaker 3>because we're just in the business of helping out other teams,

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<v Speaker 3>because Paramatta are going to be in the same possession

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<v Speaker 3>for us, potentially fading for the Wooden Spoon.

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<v Speaker 4>So I just don't understand why we would give them

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<v Speaker 4>a leg up.

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<v Speaker 5>But literally nothing, well is there any is there any

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<v Speaker 5>tape left. That's that's a rant and a half deck long.

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<v Speaker 5>I've forgotten what I was going to say. No, I haven't,

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<v Speaker 5>just on your point about giving him up for nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>And I agree, mate, And and I agree with I

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<v Speaker 5>empathize with you that the level of frustration coming through

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<v Speaker 5>your voice because we were all the same the other

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<v Speaker 5>night in the pod. I think we had a chance

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<v Speaker 5>on that pod to sort of get that frustration out,

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<v Speaker 5>and you haven't as yet. So I do agree with

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<v Speaker 5>you one hundred percent. The only thing I can say

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<v Speaker 5>is that it just can't be for nothing. There must

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<v Speaker 5>be some we don't know and we're not privy to.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't know whether this is the club's inability

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<v Speaker 5>to manage young talent properly, but perhaps his attitude of

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<v Speaker 5>if you're going to resign happy, I'm going to walk

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<v Speaker 5>Coming from a bloke who's played I don't know how

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<v Speaker 5>many first grade games he's played, not many, With the

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<v Speaker 5>experience that he's got, maybe that attitude permeates through everything

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<v Speaker 5>he does and maybe the way he's around the group,

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<v Speaker 5>and it would seem to be more damaging if he

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<v Speaker 5>stays than if they let him go. Now I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>throwing things up here. I don't know. I'm just throwing

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<v Speaker 5>up as a possible plausible explanation because I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't believe that we could give him away for nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>There must have been something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I completely I completely accept the point that

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<v Speaker 3>if he's living, he's a young player, there's no point

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<v Speaker 3>keeping him next year to develop him for another club. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 3>he's done a lot of money and we should release him.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand why we're getting rid of him like right now,

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<v Speaker 3>Like why he had to go right before June thirty

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<v Speaker 3>with no material benefit to us, because like, realistically most

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<v Speaker 3>of his sally would have been paid anyway. So I

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<v Speaker 3>challenge that, like if we actually save that much money

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<v Speaker 3>on the cap. And then the second point is this

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<v Speaker 3>is just a prime example for the other young players

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, if you want to leave, then like

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<v Speaker 3>the Tigers will just accommodate you. Like I know that

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<v Speaker 3>it's true that there's nothing, like our contract doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>much these days in the NRL, and that's true across

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<v Speaker 3>the board in every NROL team. But I do think

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<v Speaker 3>the better clubs have a do a better job of

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<v Speaker 3>missaging these kind of situations. So now that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>like say someone like Macasini that the young center coming through,

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<v Speaker 3>like if he just blatches it next year in five

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<v Speaker 3>grade and then he's just like, well I see myself

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<v Speaker 3>at a like a higher club, then you know he's

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<v Speaker 3>got the blueprint to like just get out because he's

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<v Speaker 3>he's learned that behavior from the other young players coming

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<v Speaker 3>through that he no doubt has connections with. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's just bad precedent all the way around, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter how you look at it.

421
00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.160
<v Speaker 2>And Steve sort of tricky one because it's it's very

422
00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.359
<v Speaker 2>easy to lump on and and you know, group them together.

423
00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Galvin and the Silver both gone for nothing. The West

424
00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Sydney Rivals, I think the fan base. I don't want

425
00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>to speak for everyone, but generally there was you know,

426
00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.319
<v Speaker 2>half a pass for Shane Richardson in regards to the

427
00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Galvin situation because it was so toxic and it was

428
00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>created by their camp, and perhaps he was hamstrung legally,

429
00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure there were things behind the scenes that

430
00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.920
<v Speaker 2>he can't say that would maybe embarrass the club or

431
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.759
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed Benji or embarrass someone that he just can't say.

432
00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.960
<v Speaker 2>But this one, for me, he's not getting as much

433
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.920
<v Speaker 2>leeway with because the quotes are there. It gives us

434
00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.440
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of extra money in our cap. Not

435
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.319
<v Speaker 2>only do we save a bit of money this year,

436
00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:09.519
<v Speaker 2>but what is like we didn't get it? Someone come

437
00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.079
<v Speaker 2>through the door for June thirty. We had a couple

438
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.799
<v Speaker 2>of players sneakily added to the player profiles who I

439
00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.000
<v Speaker 2>assumed have gone up to top thirty contracts because you

440
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:20.799
<v Speaker 2>have to fill your thirty on a Monday morning. Maybe

441
00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.000
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to upgrade a couple of players for this

442
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.599
<v Speaker 2>year who've got the shits. I don't know, but for me,

443
00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that was a little bit wishy washy that reason from Richo.

444
00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:33.200
<v Speaker 2>It just didn't seem to hit. Yeah, I'm not a

445
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:34.839
<v Speaker 2>salary cap expert. None of us are.

446
00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:38.920
<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, that's for sure. I think Joel made

447
00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.279
<v Speaker 5>this point before. He said the other night in the

448
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.720
<v Speaker 5>pother the thing that was upset him the most was

449
00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:46.799
<v Speaker 5>not what happened, but the way it happened and the

450
00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:50.880
<v Speaker 5>lack of communication, and maybe the fan base does need

451
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.559
<v Speaker 5>to be communicated to more openly and transparently. Richo has

452
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.559
<v Speaker 5>said to us in the past that he wants to

453
00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:01.119
<v Speaker 5>be honest and transparent and open and he you know,

454
00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.359
<v Speaker 5>he talked about membership numbers and how you know it

455
00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.359
<v Speaker 5>wasn't as honest as it could have been, and he

456
00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:09.160
<v Speaker 5>wanted to be more honest about it. Well, maybe we

457
00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:12.000
<v Speaker 5>do need not saying he's been dishonest at all, but

458
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:14.519
<v Speaker 5>maybe he does need to be more transparent and more

459
00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:17.599
<v Speaker 5>open with the fan base. And I think you're right, mate.

460
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:22.119
<v Speaker 5>The fan base have given him and the club a

461
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.640
<v Speaker 5>lot of slack. We always do. We always give the

462
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.000
<v Speaker 5>club a lot of slack and support. We bounce back

463
00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:29.160
<v Speaker 5>pretty well. But as I said the other night, it

464
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:33.160
<v Speaker 5>just doesn't take much for the fan base to turn

465
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.640
<v Speaker 5>because it's just been disappointment after disappointment. But I do

466
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.000
<v Speaker 5>want to I do want to flip the narrative just

467
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 5>a little bit. And again we've spoken about this before,

468
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 5>not this year so much, and I agree we all

469
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 5>have a right to be angry and dirty with what's

470
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 5>happened with Galvin and the Silver and I'll go back

471
00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 5>to Stefano as well, but I'm going to bring up

472
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.799
<v Speaker 5>the point of again, at what point do we as

473
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.000
<v Speaker 5>a club take a responsibility for the fact that all

474
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:09.680
<v Speaker 5>these people want to walk out the door. At what

475
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.480
<v Speaker 5>point do we say we need to develop a culture

476
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 5>of winning and win more football games than we do,

477
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.480
<v Speaker 5>and a culture and an environment where these young kids

478
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 5>believe that they're in the best place or one of

479
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 5>the best places in the NRL to develop their game

480
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 5>and to succeed. Because we've been losing for far too long,

481
00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.160
<v Speaker 5>and we've been losing talent for far too long, sometimes

482
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:44.640
<v Speaker 5>generational talent. And you talk about developing players, we develop

483
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.240
<v Speaker 5>them and if they're any good, they go. And there's

484
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.440
<v Speaker 5>a history of that. You cannot deny that. It's a fact.

485
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:55.279
<v Speaker 5>We bring players in and historically the vast majority of

486
00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 5>them underachieve. Now I think that's changing. I think the

487
00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 5>people we've brought in this year for the most part

488
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 5>of doing great playing great football. But if we keep losing,

489
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 5>what we see it happen again with these recruits with more

490
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 5>in this year, are going to start looking at greener

491
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.039
<v Speaker 5>past us else elsewhere. We'll ask you, guys, do we

492
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:21.279
<v Speaker 5>need to take more responsibility for the way our rostera looks?

493
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean absolutely.

494
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.839
<v Speaker 3>I think just as like a kind of macro point,

495
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that now that we've had a few, you know,

496
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 3>tough games and a few injuries. Just how the lack

497
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 3>of depth is just completely exposed that we just don't

498
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 3>really have enough first grade players in the top thirty

499
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 3>squad to compete. I think it shows that, you know,

500
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.759
<v Speaker 3>absolutely the squad needs to be better, and that falls

501
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 3>on the management of the club, but just on talent himself.

502
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he would have been at the club since

503
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:56.519
<v Speaker 3>he was thirteen years old in terms of some sort

504
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.200
<v Speaker 3>of like development pathway, So he's been with the Tigers

505
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.640
<v Speaker 3>for a really long time. And it's kind of scary

506
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>to me that someone who's been in the pathways from

507
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Campbelltown could just so easily leave, like pretty much like

508
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 3>the saga, like it was bubbling away in the background

509
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:14.920
<v Speaker 3>for a while, but like just how quickly it happened

510
00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 3>where he's just well, I'm gone now because I've got

511
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 3>a better opportunity and what Like Chamis talks about how

512
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 3>local juniors you bring through local juniors in that one

513
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 3>premierships and a big reason for that is that local

514
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.240
<v Speaker 3>juniors come through, they have a connection and add infinity

515
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 3>with the club where they're willing to stay and takes

516
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 3>slight unders like look at the Permier system. Look at

517
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.599
<v Speaker 3>Manly back in the day as well with their players Brett,

518
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.759
<v Speaker 3>the Stuart brothers. But with our players it's kind of

519
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 3>the opposite, where like they come through because it's in

520
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 3>their best interest with Galvin with the Silva, but then

521
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 3>as soon as they hit first grade at that young age,

522
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.799
<v Speaker 3>it just seems that there's just no kind of like

523
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 3>willingness or like desire to like turn the club around.

524
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Like as a very individualistic point of view, and I'm

525
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 3>not in their heads, i don't know their perspectives. I'm

526
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 3>not going to come down to critically on them, but

527
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 3>it's just really alarming Steve. And it's just to your

528
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 3>point that we have to look at our pathways and

529
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.839
<v Speaker 3>like how we brought these players through and ask why

530
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 3>do they feel this way? Like why are they so

531
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 3>willing to jump ship at the first opportunity, Like why

532
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 3>don't they want to turn this club around? Why don't

533
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.720
<v Speaker 3>they see themselves long term with this club? And I

534
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 3>think we probably know a lot of the answers, but

535
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 3>I think it goes a lot deeper and probably like

536
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.920
<v Speaker 3>it requires the kind of access that we don't have

537
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 3>as to why the Selva we're so eager to leave

538
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.480
<v Speaker 3>like immediately it turned out.

539
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, I think you're right. I think we probably

540
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:49.799
<v Speaker 5>do now. A lot of the answer, a lot to

541
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 5>a lot of it is success on the football field,

542
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.599
<v Speaker 5>right and corecting a successful club. That's the answer. But

543
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 5>I think if you want to talk about macro, the

544
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 5>macro sort of it is our society, right, It's the

545
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 5>society we live in, and I think there are less

546
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 5>and less young people willing to work hard to turn

547
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 5>something go around and chain because we live in a

548
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 5>society in an era where you can get so much

549
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 5>instantly without a lot of effort, right. And I'm not

550
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 5>saying people don't put effort, and people do, but you

551
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 5>can achieve and get what you want quickly in this world,

552
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 5>whereas maybe twenty years ago that wasn't the case and

553
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 5>people had a mindset of heads down, bums up, work

554
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 5>hard to achieve. I think we're losing that mindset and

555
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 5>therefore if a better option presents itself, they take it. Now.

556
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 5>You know, someone my age, I find that really hard

557
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 5>to grasp. Someone your ace declone probably finds it easier.

558
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 5>Someone ten years younger than you would find it easier. Still,

559
00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 5>I reckon that's probably a bit philosophical for our godd.

560
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 3>But if you look at where talents when like he

561
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 3>went to the Eels though, like it's not like they're

562
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 3>a sure thing to be a top four team within the.

563
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:13.079
<v Speaker 4>Next That's true for years and the Recid as well.

564
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>He got a good offer.

565
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 3>But like, I just it's crazy because with Galvin, like

566
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 3>he ultimately it made like as much as I hated

567
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 3>the situation, it made sense because like the bill Dogs

568
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 3>coming first, you know, like Surroud is a great coach.

569
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I think Jason Rows has proved itself to be a

570
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.319
<v Speaker 3>great like a good coach as well, maybe not great yet,

571
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 3>but like it just doesn't seem like it's a better

572
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 3>situation for him. So maybe you're right, and maybe it

573
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 3>was just money. But yeah, I'm happy to hear Steve's

574
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 3>philosophical points on a Wednesday night.

575
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I will say, Steve might be a little bit of

576
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>a rent I'm going on. But you mentioned, you know,

577
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 2>young people a little bit different. I think that's that's

578
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 2>fair and that's common knowledge across all walks of life

579
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.559
<v Speaker 2>at the moment. But you mentioned, you know, should we

580
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 2>look at our environment and what we doing for young players?

581
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 2>The short answer is yes. And obviously winning and success

582
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 2>and the brand helps, but how do clubs start winning,

583
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.599
<v Speaker 2>like look at the Melbourne Storm. I know they're the outlier,

584
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 2>they're not the norm. But you've got Tyrone Wishart there,

585
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>You've got Jonah Pezant, You've got Harry Grant. I reckon.

586
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>All those guys are in their early twenties that could

587
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 2>have been playing first grade at Week of Clubs three

588
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or four years ago and could have wanted everything. But

589
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the standard of excellence there makes them think differently. And

590
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 2>obviously they've got Craig Bellamy. They've been winning for twenty years,

591
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 2>so they've got a huge advantage in that regard. But

592
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 2>how did they create this? You know, I listened to Stefano,

593
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 2>who I hate. I can't stand him. I think he's

594
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>been average this year. He couldn't even make his flight

595
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>for Origin, so well done. But one quote he said

596
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>was the difference between the two clubs. And I don't

597
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 2>think he was trying to pile on us here was

598
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 2>he was amazed by the amount of selfless players at

599
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the Melbourne Storm. Now that is not for me, something

600
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 2>that is that is something that is ingrained in them

601
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>when they go there through the environment that they have.

602
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how we get that, whether we

603
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.279
<v Speaker 2>have to ask some of our coaches to spend a

604
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.319
<v Speaker 2>few months at the Melbourne Storm or something. But it's

605
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>clear that in the top, top clubs they can withstand

606
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>some of these pressure from younger players or keep them.

607
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>We can't.

608
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 5>Well, what they've created stems, what they've created over a generation, right,

609
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 5>stems from some outstanding decision making over those years, all

610
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.359
<v Speaker 5>the way back to choosing someone like Craig Bellamy, you know,

611
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 5>and then they get the right players into the club,

612
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 5>you know, Like I don't like pump them up too

613
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 5>much because they did get all those players in the

614
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 5>club for four years because they cheated. Let's not forget that.

615
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 5>They seem to want to forget that, but let's not

616
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 5>forget the fact they cheated massively for four years. But

617
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 5>apart from that, they've just made the right decisions time

618
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 5>and time again with the right people and the right jobs,

619
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 5>with the right attitude. And that's how you create that culture.

620
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 5>And you're right, you know, people come in and if

621
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.680
<v Speaker 5>you are a little bit self centered and a little

622
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 5>bit selfish and a little bit about yourself, then everyone

623
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 5>else around. When everyone else around you is not, then

624
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 5>you've got to change or leave. It's as simple as that.

625
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 5>And they've created that that the majority think that way.

626
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 5>I saw this greatthing. I think I've said this before

627
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 5>on their wall in the Gymish, you know, like talent

628
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<v Speaker 5>gets you, Talent gets you into this room. Hard work

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<v Speaker 5>keeps you here, you know. And that's their mindset right,

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<v Speaker 5>that everyone works hard. Doesn't matter how talented you are.

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<v Speaker 5>You work hard, you know. And that's going to roll

632
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<v Speaker 5>off on blokes like Stefano, but it is and he'll

633
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<v Speaker 5>get better because of it. We don't seem to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to make those decisions. I haven't been able to historically.

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<v Speaker 1>We hope you're enjoying this edition of the West Tiger's podcast.

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637
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<v Speaker 1>you there soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Last one on Richo Deckland, does he need to say

643
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<v Speaker 2>more to the members because he's been very bullish about

644
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 2>members first, and Joel made a good point on Sunday Night.

645
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<v Speaker 2>He said, the goodwill of some of the fans, the

646
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>rusted on ones, even the diehards, the tide's starting to

647
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>turn back to that really toxic negative talk from a

648
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, where I think Steve made the

649
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<v Speaker 2>point Sunday night. Look, our memberships don't automatically cancel and

650
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we get refunds. With eight rounds to go, we still

651
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<v Speaker 2>have to go to games or support the team, So why.

652
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<v Speaker 4>Not?

653
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Why are you giving up on the season? But can you,

654
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<v Speaker 2>maybe richer explain to us a little bit more in

655
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.159
<v Speaker 2>detail what the grand plan is without giving up your

656
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>races or what your cards are.

657
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there's that balance, Like at the end

658
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 3>of the day, you could put lipstick on a peg,

659
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 3>but it's still a pig at the end of the day.

660
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 3>So with the Disselver situation, like it's just bad. In

661
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.320
<v Speaker 3>the Galvin situation, it's just bad. So you can try

662
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 3>and spend it however you want, You can communicate to

663
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<v Speaker 3>the members however you want, But the end of the day,

664
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 3>it's an elf for the club, And I kind of

665
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<v Speaker 3>understand how you wouldn't want to jump at every single

666
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<v Speaker 3>obstacle to talk to the media or talk to the

667
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 3>fans when something bad goes wrong, because then you'd be

668
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 3>talking to the fans every single week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what lay in exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I made it worse because like people just kind

671
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 3>of trying to what you're saying it in the day

672
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 3>or they don't believe you and you you.

673
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<v Speaker 4>Lose credibility in their eyes. So I can understand that.

674
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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I can also understand job

675
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Speaker 3>put Joe's point of view, where like what as the

676
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 3>strategic decision? Are we still our development club if we've

677
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<v Speaker 3>lost all these.

678
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 4>Young local juniors?

679
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 3>The Magpies didn't have great seasons in ISSUESO how MAT's

680
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 3>s year, Like what are we doing with that?

681
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 4>Like what's the home ground situation?

682
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Like for like after that kind of thing with Campbelltown

683
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 3>can Soil, Like what's happening there?

684
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<v Speaker 4>So I would I do kind of see.

685
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Where guys like Neck and Joel are coming from, maybe

686
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<v Speaker 3>asking from registering for a little bit more. But at

687
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<v Speaker 3>the same time, I'm not that critical of them because

688
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<v Speaker 3>I think the more he says, the kind of lets

689
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<v Speaker 3>people listen, if that makes sense, Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he needs to be a little bit upfront,

691
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, about what's happening currently. I absolutely don't think

692
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<v Speaker 5>he needs to address the question of how we are

693
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<v Speaker 5>development club or not. Of course we are. And this

694
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 5>has been the problem with the club in the past,

695
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 5>is that we just seem to flip and flop from

696
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.559
<v Speaker 5>one from one strategy to the next so quickly. We've

697
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.079
<v Speaker 5>got a strategic plan that was well put together and

698
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 5>was publicized and it's there for everyone to see. And

699
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 5>we are a development club and that's the line of

700
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 5>the sand that we need to keep going down. We

701
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 5>need to forward to that path. We need to keep

702
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 5>going down that path. Now, if we're not doing well

703
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 5>that well, then we need to do it better. We

704
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.079
<v Speaker 5>need to do it at a standard of excellence, right,

705
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.079
<v Speaker 5>not a standard of Joe average. But that is the strategy,

706
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 5>That is the strategic direction of the club, and that

707
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 5>needs to stay in place. There's no need for that

708
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 5>to be questioned or change. The only question is are

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<v Speaker 5>we doing it as well as we can?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know. It's just it's a tough one.

711
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 3>So you can't like because it's been like three years since,

712
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 3>like Tan Shines came out with that speech, about how

713
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 3>we're a development club, and I accept Eddie's point as

714
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 3>well that it's kind of it can be seen as

715
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of a nothing comment because at the end of

716
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 3>the day, like all clubs recruit and they develop as well.

717
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know, I just think we've kind of

718
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 4>lost their.

719
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<v Speaker 3>Way a little bit this season with Galvin being gone,

720
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 3>like to Selvin being gone. If you look at most

721
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 3>players playing against the Bruses this weekend, I don't think

722
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 3>any of them are local juniors except maybe alex Seyfarth.

723
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but it's not the strategy. It's not the strategy

724
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 5>that's wrong, Declan, it's the execution of the strategy.

725
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<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying.

726
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:33.840
<v Speaker 3>I think we've lost a way though, and I think

727
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 3>that's where I would like him to clarify, if that

728
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 3>makes sense, and like where potentially we went wrong, because

729
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 3>like we have jump ship a lot, but like the

730
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 3>success in the juniors and that kind of pathway from

731
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 3>like flip from like Matt's to SG ball to fly

732
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 3>the Cup to first grade, there's clearly something not working

733
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 3>in that development process because I think at the moment

734
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 3>we'll bring players we're too young they are, and when

735
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 3>they show any kind of promise the contract for how

736
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 3>it gets resin and then when they have a better

737
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 3>option to just leave. And I just I'm wondering if

738
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 3>we are kind of throwing these players and without opportunity

739
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>too young. I just seen kind of how Galvin and

740
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 3>just Selver manage the contract situations.

741
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<v Speaker 2>Just back to the Chambers article for a minute, Steve,

742
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 2>before we preview the game. Benji Marshall and Shane Richardson,

743
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 2>we've we've touched on the last few podcasts whether they

744
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe need more manpower around, perhaps a general manager of

745
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>football or different assistant coaches. But the dynamic between them,

746
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 2>to me at least, seems like they're still very much

747
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>aligned and they're trying one hundred percent in the best

748
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>interest of the club to make the best decision. Like

749
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 2>you said, it's the execution of it. But things in

750
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 2>the Chammas article like you know Appy or Appy in

751
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Jerome are really tight with Benji, Like that's not a revelation,

752
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 2>of course, you should be the tightest with your two captains,

753
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Like it's emerging for stuff there.

754
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.199
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely that's a leadership group, right and the young players

755
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.480
<v Speaker 5>have got to suck that up. But I would have

756
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 5>more sympathy, though I didn't really because I thought it

757
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 5>was a winge. But I'd have more sympathy for the

758
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 5>comments made by Clamor and Bateman last year when they

759
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 5>were saying if there was validity to them saying, hang on,

760
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 5>we've played one hundred games the first grade. Here, no

761
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.159
<v Speaker 5>one's listening to us, and this young bloke who's eight

762
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 5>and he's been listening to I reckon, there's more validity

763
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 5>in that. But if Benji's havn't closed door meetings with

764
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 5>Appy and Jerome Luai, then to the people that aren't

765
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.079
<v Speaker 5>in that room, tough because they'ven't the right to be

766
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 5>in that room.

767
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>What do you think. I won't ask you for predictions

768
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 2>for a few deckline, but say, you know, we lost

769
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>every game for the rest of the season. Should that

770
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 2>be the end of Benji? Or should Benji be under

771
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>no pressure heading into twenty twenty six? Given you know

772
00:39:58.519 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>how Tidy is to a lot of this.

773
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Stuff, I think that for me, I would be sticking

774
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 3>with him for next season, just essentially for the reasons

775
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 3>you just said, because he is so tied to the roster,

776
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>and if you sack Benji, I think you have to

777
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.880
<v Speaker 3>reasonably come to Gretz with the fact that if you

778
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 3>sack him, then players like Loui and players like Terrell

779
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 3>will realistically be evaluating their options. Not to say that

780
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 3>they will leave, but I think that becomes a reasonable prospect.

781
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.199
<v Speaker 3>And then the other part of it is if you

782
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.320
<v Speaker 3>sack Benji, like who like who's going to come in

783
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 3>and like you look at them and say, like, a O,

784
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 3>there a dead set improvement, Like I could see them

785
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 3>doing a really good job, because I don't see anyone

786
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 3>at the moment, Like, like people were talking about Willie

787
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Peters and maybe I'm just ignorant, but I did sit

788
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:56.239
<v Speaker 3>don't know anything about him, and maybe he do a

789
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.360
<v Speaker 3>good job, but I'm not sure. Like the only person

790
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 3>that I would be like, yeah, I could definitely see

791
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.679
<v Speaker 3>why they would do that is if they brought someone

792
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 3>like Todd Paeron in, who like he has kind of

793
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 3>that experience as a head coach, he's had success, but

794
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 3>then he also has that connection to the club as well.

795
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 4>But everyone else is on the market at the moment.

796
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I just think you'd kind of be at risk of

797
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.840
<v Speaker 3>repeating the kind of old mistakes of like hiring a

798
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Mic Potter or a Jason Taylor or Mega maguire, you know,

799
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 3>guys who have baggage that they'd bring to the club,

800
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and then we'd be making mistakes that we've made in

801
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 3>the past. So I would be definitely given Benji until

802
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 3>next season to turn it around or like to see

803
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.440
<v Speaker 3>how it goes, because if we're still in the same

804
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 3>position next season, then like it's probably worth the calculated

805
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.679
<v Speaker 3>rest that you lose some of these guys.

806
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 4>But for now, I don't think it's worth the risk.

807
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>One more on the attical steam. I promised before a

808
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>move on, before you've hit me out of the head

809
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>with a baseball bat. But and this is speculation. This

810
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>is Jamma's speculation, so it's not necessarily true. But it's

811
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 2>something I've spoken about a few times over a couple

812
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of years. I think he's got to be careful with

813
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 2>how much he joins in training. Like I just say

814
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that from a point of view, I'm only an assistant

815
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>coach a to create club. But I think there's a

816
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>line between being an assistant coach and a head coach.

817
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 2>And I know you have to be true to who

818
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 2>you are. You can't change you know who you are.

819
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 2>But I just get you know, if he's joining it

820
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>at training and he's setting up tries and then you know,

821
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 2>if he's following something like Adam doing and then there's

822
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>a scuffle or there's a verbal altercation after that, that

823
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.559
<v Speaker 2>is not a line that a head coach, for me,

824
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 2>is acceptable. And again I stress this is speculation out

825
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 2>of an article, but I think that's something where he

826
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 2>is learning on the run and there's insinuations there that

827
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>he wants to be one of the boys. And he

828
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>was one of the boys when he was a player. Bengually,

829
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't necessarily a leader for me. Maybe he did

830
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>late in his career, but I think that's something that

831
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>perhaps a senior experience assistant coach could talk to him

832
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>about on the side, which I don't think he has

833
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 2>there at the moment.

834
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it's a pretty damning comment that's been

835
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 5>thrown around that he just wants to be one of

836
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 5>the boys. We don't know that everything when we listen

837
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 5>to him in his press conferences. You know, I think

838
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 5>he's set himself apart more so this year than he

839
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 5>has last year. I think he's headed in the right direction.

840
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 5>I will say I think he's he's too forgiven of

841
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 5>his players publicly anyway. But as far as that line

842
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 5>in the sand, look, as long as that line is there,

843
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 5>I think your behavior what you do is okay. Like like,

844
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 5>if he gets involved in the ball runs and he

845
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 5>tackles Atam, do it because Adam, do he step the

846
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:51.880
<v Speaker 5>wrong way or you know, maybe deserve to be tackled.

847
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 5>If he can do that and get in and show

848
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.239
<v Speaker 5>him how to run plays and this and that, but

849
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 5>he can still draw that line in the sand. He

850
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 5>can still then pull the player in to his office

851
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 5>the next day and give him a golf or tell

852
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.920
<v Speaker 5>him his sands aren't what they need to be, or

853
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 5>tell him how he's been dropped to reserve grade. This

854
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 5>is how he needs to improve, and do that honestly,

855
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.480
<v Speaker 5>respectfully and transparently. If he can do all that, then

856
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 5>there's nothing wrong. The problem occurs is if he's playing

857
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 5>tip with the guys before training and having a great

858
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.960
<v Speaker 5>laugh with him, and then because of that they don't

859
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 5>take him seriously and he can't get them to listen

860
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 5>to him and do what he says and respect his opinion,

861
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 5>then there's a problem. And only those on the field

862
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 5>with him know whether that's the case or not.

863
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 3>That's just the problem I have with people like Charmers

864
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.079
<v Speaker 3>because a statement like that, it's just so broad it's

865
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.920
<v Speaker 3>impossible to respond because like what can be Benji possibly

866
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 3>do to respond to that? I mean, it's what we said. Yes,

867
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.239
<v Speaker 3>he's got he's close to senior players, like every inner

868
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 3>old coach would be, I mean, drinking Trent Robinson didn't

869
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 3>have a really close relationship with Bod Corner and Jade

870
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Hargraves and Jake Friends, like of course he does, and

871
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 3>that's why they're on the coaching staff or like hard

872
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Graves are still playing, but he probably will be when

873
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Speaker 3>he retires.

874
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 4>So it's just like rules for different people. Like it

875
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 4>just seems and that like what I said.

876
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 3>At the start of the pod, like there's plenty to

877
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 3>criticize the club of it, Like for example, Loui goes

878
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 3>out against Manly and then like the team plays with

879
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 3>just no attacking structure like whatsoever, and like we lose

880
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 3>a game, we look terrible, Like that is just an

881
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 3>objective thing that he could criticize Benji for because you

882
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 3>take one player out of the system and we just

883
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 3>look like a spoon team. Immediately, and that's just not

884
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 3>good enough because like there's plenty of teams that if

885
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 3>you take a star player, they should at least be

886
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 3>able to follow a structure or attack properly inside the

887
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 3>twenty meters, but we just weren't able to. And I

888
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 3>just it just annoys me so much that like the

889
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.360
<v Speaker 3>level of journalism is so low that there's plenty of

890
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.960
<v Speaker 3>like valid criticisms of the club that they could go with,

891
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 3>but they go with these weird like oh, Benji wants

892
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 3>to be one of the boys, but he's not. He's like,

893
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, doing jails and training. Like how weird is that?

894
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 4>Like? But it's just like, what are you doing?

895
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.039
<v Speaker 3>There's so much more that you could be saying that

896
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.400
<v Speaker 3>actually is nuanced, it makes sense, and there's probably more valid,

897
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 3>but they just don't for some reason.

898
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Fair points, Decklan Steve, it suck. Before I move on

899
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>to the RUSS game, it's such fine margins. Like I

900
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 2>was thinking tonight, like if Galvin hadn't dropped the ball

901
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 2>over the line against Sous and if Buller hadn't been

902
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>held up by a legal tackle against Penrith, we would

903
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.800
<v Speaker 2>have seven wins. And you know who else has got

904
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.360
<v Speaker 2>seven wins this year, the russ and the Panthers. They're

905
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 2>both on seven wins, and you know who's on eight wins,

906
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the team that spends you know, fifty million or something

907
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>on them whatever on that scale of things, where West

908
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Tigers was seven eight the Broncos. So it's really fine

909
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 2>margins and we're getting hammered at the moment, and unfortunately

910
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>that is the reality. When you lose six games in

911
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 2>a row and you're coming off three wooden spoons, it's

912
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.639
<v Speaker 2>easy to hammer them. And I think some of the

913
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff we're getting to have it for is probably fair enough,

914
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 2>but cheers, it's fine margins. Like if we were on

915
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 2>seven wins two of those five losses that were under

916
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.840
<v Speaker 2>six points, the talk this week would be a battle

917
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 2>for the top eight with the Roosters.

918
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 5>That's a great point, and I honestly don't know where

919
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.440
<v Speaker 5>on earth you would have heard that apart from me

920
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 5>on the pod two weeks ago. We said the exact

921
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 5>same thing. Drop ball over the line and a tackle

922
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 5>one half a meter short the line and we're four

923
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 5>points ahead. It is a season could have looked so differently.

924
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 5>But again, we've got to take responsibility for it, and

925
00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:59.639
<v Speaker 5>at the end of the day, we're showing that we

926
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 5>don't know had a win, then we're gonna learn how

927
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 5>to win.

928
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm the Eddy of this podcast because

929
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I just like that. But I completely agree with all

930
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.800
<v Speaker 3>that stuff about close losses and then like if we

931
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>just got like the bets of the ball or the

932
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.519
<v Speaker 3>call of a referee, and that's great, But for me

933
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 3>that went all completely undone when we went to Brookville

934
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Lovo and just played absolutely terribly. Because yes, you know,

935
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 3>like it's all well and good to lose closely to

936
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 3>the good teams, but then when you play the bad

937
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 3>teams and you play like your worst game of the

938
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 3>season ever, for me, you just lose like all credibility that, oh,

939
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, if we were a little bit luckier, we'd

940
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:39.960
<v Speaker 3>be in the top eight or like pushing for the

941
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 3>top eight, because no, these are the games that we

942
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 3>always play every season, and we always lose and it's

943
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 3>just not good enough. And yes, there was some reasons

944
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.440
<v Speaker 3>for that, like Buller going down, Drome going down. That's

945
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 3>two spite really important spinning players, probably two over three

946
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 3>best players.

947
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 4>So I'm not necessarily not lost.

948
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 3>It's more than man know, it was just that the

949
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 3>pressure got to them and they just played terribly and

950
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>ruined my Friday night as well, said.

951
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Who would have thought Steve, I'd be the positive one

952
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. Maybe I'm just playing Devil's advocate in

953
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 2>my role as hosts, but I do think that, you know,

954
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately the bad sides all have solid stories, like the

955
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Dragons have lost three games by a point, and unfortunately

956
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 2>it's like declan SATs because you don't know how to

957
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 2>win those close games, and a couple of those close

958
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 2>games we're infuriating for me because I don't think South

959
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and North Queensland were going any good and I think

960
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 2>we should have beaten them. But let's talk about the

961
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Rusters game two o'clock this Sunday at Alian Stadium. Steve,

962
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm meant to be going to this game because I

963
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>have friends that are Rusters fans, and I feel like

964
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 2>saying to him, look, I'd be happy to go to

965
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 2>any Rugby League game except for the Rusters and versus

966
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 2>the Tigers, because we have lost eighteen of our last

967
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen against the Rusters thirty of thirty nine overall. Before

968
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>we get into the teams, is there any reason for

969
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 2>optimism this week. It's a much changed team. It's pretty

970
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:04.920
<v Speaker 2>much the bare bones.

971
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 5>Well, if I was to put my optimist hat on

972
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:11.639
<v Speaker 5>here there is if you look at and not so

973
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.679
<v Speaker 5>much you look at our to him where where we've

974
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.039
<v Speaker 5>been hit for six with with injuries and representation. That's

975
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:21.840
<v Speaker 5>the thing. But some of the roosters, the Roosters team,

976
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 5>their back line is pretty.

977
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Strong, apparently twelve first graders. Twelve first graders out of

978
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the rooster's side apparently, like I know, you read their

979
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:33.400
<v Speaker 2>back line and it's still a lot better.

980
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.440
<v Speaker 5>Than our Desco and Tubo and I can't even say

981
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 5>that Blake's name that the center is just doing with things.

982
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 2>But I'll read their forward back. Sorry Steve to interrupt,

983
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.280
<v Speaker 2>this is their forward pack Nafar who white is good player.

984
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Or whatever.

985
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I've got no idea what his name is. Sorry. The

986
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>hooker Macatoa never heard of him. Front row Egan Butcher

987
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>back row Fockerty back row, never heard of him. Steep.

988
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I think he's a good young player. The lock but

989
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 2>hasn't played much. And the bench doctor Clay journeyman McCarthy

990
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:11.000
<v Speaker 2>never heard of him, Losalou never heard of him, and

991
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Va and apologies for butchering about six of those names,

992
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>but that is an absolute no name, like they are

993
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 2>decimated in the forwards, but like it's there's a lot

994
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 2>of talk about us having Leu Eye and happy and

995
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Buller out and it probably means a lot more when

996
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you're a bad side and you don't have much depth.

997
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.039
<v Speaker 2>But they are missing a stack, and.

998
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 5>I think I think our full pack lines up a

999
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 5>lot stronger than theirs, which which gives us the foundations

1000
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 5>of doing good things on Sunday. There's no reason that

1001
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 5>we can't win the ruck on the weekend if we

1002
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 5>go believing that we can do that. Now we've got

1003
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 5>to hold to Essco. We've got to hold tupu like

1004
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 5>for crying out that if he scores a try coming

1005
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 5>over the top of someone from a kick, I'm going

1006
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 5>to scream because we know we're weak at that. We've

1007
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 5>been wik at it for ten years, right, Can we

1008
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 5>please do something good training this week to stop him

1009
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:07.039
<v Speaker 5>from scoring tries off kicks. But if we can do that,

1010
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 5>if we can win the rock and hold this go

1011
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 5>and get up on their halves, you know we're capable

1012
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 5>of reading this game. Even though we are depleted as well.

1013
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Declan, what are your thoughts of the game. Can we win?

1014
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, I don't think so.

1015
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 3>I think that the Risters, even though they don't have

1016
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:33.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot of players available, you just know that they

1017
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 3>will play to their capability and He'll get the best,

1018
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 3>like Robinson will get the best out of those young players.

1019
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 3>I think they've been doing it all season, Like there's

1020
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 3>so many guys in that team that I hadn't.

1021
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 4>Really heard of before this season.

1022
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 3>But the Risters are so good just developing these young

1023
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 3>players along and I think that lets will be. I

1024
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 3>think they'll play well. I'm a huge fan of the

1025
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 3>halfback Atala, He's a really good player. I don't really

1026
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 3>know a lot about the fore A pack, but I

1027
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 3>think that I thought that we had a huge advantage

1028
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 3>against mainly in the forwards last week and that just

1029
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:11.960
<v Speaker 3>didn't eventuate anything.

1030
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 4>So who knows what they're going to bring.

1031
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 3>But also there's probably not much expectation on us as

1032
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.519
<v Speaker 3>well because we did lose that gaming as finally, so

1033
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe that will take some of the pressure off and

1034
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 3>we'll play better.

1035
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 4>But I'm not confident at all.

1036
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Steve lots of changes to the West Tigers team let's

1037
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>go through the one to five and the changes to

1038
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.599
<v Speaker 2>RuvA goes to fullback, Stains onto the wing, and Lukela

1039
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Lilly to centners. What do you like out of that?

1040
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, to at fullback, I think it's okay Stains. That

1041
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 5>was pretty critical of Stains early in the season. I've

1042
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.880
<v Speaker 5>got to say he proved me wrong with the opportunities

1043
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 5>he's heading first grade. He's actually brought the ball back

1044
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.360
<v Speaker 5>out of trouble quite well, so I think we'll get

1045
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, I know we'll get a handle percent if

1046
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 5>it from Tower. I think it's a great football skelt

1047
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 5>and I think that is, you know, really advantageous for

1048
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 5>a springs the ball back hard that literally in the

1049
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.280
<v Speaker 5>centers isn't unknown for me. Apparently he's played there a

1050
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 5>few times but nothing significant, So you know, we're weakened

1051
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.039
<v Speaker 5>a little bit, but it's still it's still a decent

1052
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 5>back five.

1053
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Your man Decklin, he's back at six where he belongs

1054
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 2>and dey.

1055
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I think someone saying in the group chat,

1056
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I think we're just going so bad against Manly that

1057
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.760
<v Speaker 3>when he moved to Sex he just looked like our

1058
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 3>best player, which kind of shows exactly why we were struggling.

1059
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, It's just I think it's a it's

1060
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.079
<v Speaker 3>a safe option because I think, you know, like he's

1061
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 3>probably got the highest floor in terms of the potential options,

1062
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.719
<v Speaker 3>like you kind of know what you're gonna get from them,

1063
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Like whether it actually leads to points, I'm not sure.

1064
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm also a little bit concerned as well, because you

1065
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.800
<v Speaker 3>know that article from Channis that mentioned Adam Dewey Adam

1066
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 3>do he is now contractor to Isaac Moses, So as

1067
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 3>like as he leaking stuff, does that you know, like

1068
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 3>messed with the dynamic of the team.

1069
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I have very low expectations of it,

1070
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 4>but you know, I.

1071
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Aloe that I do like Loly at center though, I

1072
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 3>think that's probably has like like a really good possession

1073
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 3>for him at the moment while he does try and

1074
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:27.119
<v Speaker 3>develop his ability onto the high ball and it kind

1075
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 3>of brings out all the stuff he has good at.

1076
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 4>So I'll be interested to see how he goes in

1077
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.239
<v Speaker 4>that respect. But yeah, just morale is very low at

1078
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 4>the moment.

1079
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:38.199
<v Speaker 3>And in case you were wondering, and I'm just like,

1080
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 3>I just we're just at that point of the season.

1081
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I think forward pack is pretty much in tax Steve

1082
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:48.519
<v Speaker 2>except for obviously no happy and no talent of silver.

1083
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 2>So you know, welcome back to first grade Tristan Hope.

1084
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Well, he's just gotta play a simple, great game.

1085
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.679
<v Speaker 5>Let's let's be honest. He's he's not a he's not

1086
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 5>a first grade player. He's reserve game player that can

1087
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 5>fill in when needed. I suppose would be the nicest

1088
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 5>way to describe him. He's just got to play very

1089
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.199
<v Speaker 5>simple game. He's got to give good, clean fastball to

1090
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 5>his forwards. The thing that concerns me most with Hope

1091
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 5>at nine and also having Fayn Whu sort of still

1092
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 5>beginning his journey at seven, is just the organization who's

1093
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 5>going to be talking. I suppose it's going to come

1094
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.039
<v Speaker 5>a lotdown to Dewey. I remember early in the year,

1095
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.800
<v Speaker 5>I know it was a trial or I think it

1096
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 5>was a trial do he played five eight and I

1097
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 5>think Galvin was playing half back, and they played out

1098
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 5>of their skins and Dewey you could see that Dewey

1099
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 5>was just helping Galvin, sort of mentoring him on the

1100
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 5>run on the field, and it brought out the best

1101
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 5>in both of them. So I'm hoping that they're going

1102
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 5>to have eighty minutes together that Dewey and Faynu can

1103
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 5>sort of click like that. I think Feynu will have

1104
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:53.639
<v Speaker 5>to run a lot, you know, use a lot his

1105
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 5>individual skill, you know, to create opportunities for us. He

1106
00:56:58.280 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 5>was to wait and see what.

1107
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Happens Benny Elias Deckler. I'm not gonna let him get

1108
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 2>away with this, he said. And I'm digressing here, but

1109
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 2>he said, Talent de Silver is already the sixth best

1110
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>hooker in the game. I thought, what a load of dribble. Like, honestly,

1111
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I think Talent's going to be a really good player.

1112
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 2>But he said his defense has been spot on. Like

1113
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>he just obviously doesn't watch the games. He's just clickbait,

1114
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 2>isn't he.

1115
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I would like to see Benny Elias's

1116
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 3>list so that we could probably examine it a little

1117
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 3>bit closer. But yeah, it's just a strange, Like I

1118
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:34.119
<v Speaker 3>think we're the only club where we just get a

1119
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of heat from the X players, Like I know

1120
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 3>the Broncos went through it as well when they were

1121
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.679
<v Speaker 3>doing badly. But it's just a particular kind of cross

1122
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 3>the Tigers have to bear and obviously Elias. You know,

1123
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.480
<v Speaker 3>he's like paid for his opinion, and like the more

1124
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 3>he says crazy stuff like that, the kind of more

1125
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.880
<v Speaker 3>attention he gets, which is ultimately good for.

1126
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:55.519
<v Speaker 4>His like media reputation.

1127
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.519
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I just disagree with that, like wholeheartedly, because

1128
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 3>he's not even like the most minutes that Talent played

1129
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.559
<v Speaker 3>that season correlated in our highest losses with the storm

1130
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.239
<v Speaker 3>and then also like mainly and I'm not saying that's

1131
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Talent's fault, but like he definitely has a lot to

1132
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.519
<v Speaker 3>work on before you'd even con said him as a fast,

1133
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 3>greed starting hookut. So yeah, I'm not sure what he

1134
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:20.920
<v Speaker 3>was talking about there.

1135
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was obviously a great player be any last,

1136
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 2>but I don't I don't think he's even a fan

1137
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of the club, Steve, I'm sorry, And he's not an

1138
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 2>ex player of the club. He's an ex player at Balmain,

1139
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and the way he talks, I just think it's pathetic

1140
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>some of those ex players he called him ex players.

1141
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.599
<v Speaker 5>But well, he got his chance in a last year,

1142
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 5>didn't He should have came back into the fold and

1143
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 5>was supposed to be on a be incredibly supportive but

1144
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 5>it didn't last long.

1145
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't the bench, Steve. We've got Charlie Murray,

1146
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Alex Safer, and Tony Suka. I'll be a little bit

1147
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>surprised if Benji doesn't push back to starting. I didn't

1148
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>think that worked last week with Paul starting because she

1149
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.639
<v Speaker 2>only been going great guards that first fifteen to twenty minutes.

1150
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think Fane who should start. I think

1151
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 5>he's one of our most improvement and also most consistent

1152
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:13.400
<v Speaker 5>players all year, so definitely would start in pole. Coming

1153
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.599
<v Speaker 5>off the bench would will be good. I think Sea

1154
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:18.079
<v Speaker 5>Father this is the best spot for him if he's

1155
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.000
<v Speaker 5>going to be in the seventeen, is to come off

1156
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 5>the bench and play in the middle. He's not going

1157
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.360
<v Speaker 5>to bring a whole lot of impact, but he will

1158
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.920
<v Speaker 5>he will do a job. I think our our four

1159
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 5>interchange players sort of match up pretty favorably with their

1160
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:33.880
<v Speaker 5>in turn. I don't think they're going to have any

1161
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:37.480
<v Speaker 5>more impact when they come on for their team twill

1162
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.239
<v Speaker 5>what ours are going to It'll come down to how

1163
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:43.199
<v Speaker 5>well Murray and Suka play. I think I think we

1164
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:44.920
<v Speaker 5>know what we're going to get from Fanu and Seafa.

1165
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 5>It's whether Murray and Sugar can hold their own when

1166
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:48.639
<v Speaker 5>they come on and play.

1167
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Jack Bird on the edge declan, I mean it's it's

1168
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 2>hard for Benji because if he if he drops Bird

1169
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.559
<v Speaker 2>back to the bench, they'll say, well, he's had three

1170
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.079
<v Speaker 2>back rounds in three weeks. But I kind of I

1171
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 2>think at some point this year maybe tiny Suka might

1172
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 2>get a girl on that age.

1173
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I just I'm just not a fan of Bird

1174
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 4>starting in the back row.

1175
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I can I can see the theory, like why you'd

1176
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.480
<v Speaker 3>think that, but I think he just doesn't really have

1177
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 3>the physicality that those back rowers require, especially the way

1178
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.280
<v Speaker 3>we're playing, where like like the back row needs to

1179
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 3>be able to like have a head up, and I

1180
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 3>just don't think Birds carry is where it needs to

1181
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 3>be to be starting in the four pack. And I

1182
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:34.199
<v Speaker 3>actually think Soukar has like greatly like surpassed my expectations

1183
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:36.480
<v Speaker 3>of how you play this season, and I thought we've

1184
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 3>played quite well. So I just don't see why, like

1185
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 3>if like we're struggling with injury, then I don't see

1186
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 3>why they wouldn't play them. But yeah, I'm sure there's

1187
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe like a technical reason. Maybe it's the wrong side

1188
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.119
<v Speaker 3>of the field that he's used to play and then

1189
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.000
<v Speaker 3>they're a little bit worried about that, and plus Bird

1190
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 3>has that bit of experience. But yeah, I would be

1191
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:56.800
<v Speaker 3>starting to car because I don't think that Bird's got

1192
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.079
<v Speaker 3>the kind of attributes that are required to start for

1193
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 3>a pack at the moment.

1194
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Hi, boys, Well, stranger things have happened. I got on

1195
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Sunday night. I said, I convinced this would be fifty

1196
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:10.199
<v Speaker 2>or sixty. I've changed my mind on this. I'm not

1197
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>saying we're going to win, but I think this will

1198
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:13.079
<v Speaker 2>be a battle this game. Steve.

1199
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just want to ask you, guys. The only thing.

1200
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you look at having bringing Murray in in

1201
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.880
<v Speaker 5>the seveneen and we've got I supposedly because doing okay,

1202
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.159
<v Speaker 5>But why is Kitler literly not getting a run? I'm

1203
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.840
<v Speaker 5>not getting a chance. So he just says like he's

1204
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.480
<v Speaker 5>in the he's in the twenty one.

1205
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:33.880
<v Speaker 2>It's only only something you could answer, Steve. I assume

1206
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're in the four Walls of Concord, because my

1207
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.480
<v Speaker 2>mate who watches State Cup said, you know the games

1208
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he has played, he always provides an impact. But it

1209
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 2>just seems like Declan's not a player that Benji trusts

1210
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:46.119
<v Speaker 2>at the.

1211
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Moment, yeah.

1212
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean even when he was on the bench four US,

1213
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:52.480
<v Speaker 3>he didn't get any game tame.

1214
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 4>So there's got to be something to it.

1215
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 3>I've heard some like max reviews and about cat and cut,

1216
01:01:57.920 --> 01:01:59.920
<v Speaker 3>like I think he had a really good like three

1217
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.320
<v Speaker 3>four weeks, but then he's kind of backed it up

1218
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:04.639
<v Speaker 3>with two like kind of perr again.

1219
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:07.079
<v Speaker 4>But I obviously this my own eyes.

1220
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna like comment on that, but yeah, it's

1221
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.519
<v Speaker 3>changed because when I saw him in the Billdogs trial,

1222
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:13.519
<v Speaker 3>when he started, he.

1223
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 4>Played really well.

1224
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 3>I thought that he was going to Definitely I didn't

1225
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:18.760
<v Speaker 3>pay it, but yeah, there must be something that the

1226
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:20.159
<v Speaker 3>court and stuff hasn't happy with.

1227
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see reserve grade Steve, but apparently Royce Hant

1228
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.159
<v Speaker 2>had a good game, so I was kind of looking

1229
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.840
<v Speaker 2>at the bench thing maybe we could do with him.

1230
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 2>But again I go back to trust and good will

1231
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and maybe how players train, and I can only assume

1232
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he's still in the bad books.

1233
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.360
<v Speaker 5>Well, it must must be about standards, like Benji has

1234
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 5>said that all year, you've got to make the standards.

1235
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 5>If you don't make the stands, you're not playing. But gee,

1236
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:44.719
<v Speaker 5>we could do with we could do with his impact

1237
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 5>at the moment, that's for sure. And I was sorting

1238
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 5>to GARRYO went out to the reserve grade game on

1239
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.280
<v Speaker 5>the weekend and he said Hunt had a great, great

1240
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.840
<v Speaker 5>game in reserve grade and played some decent minutes. So yeah,

1241
01:02:58.119 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 5>it's a pretty because we could do with him this weekend.

1242
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Quiz time, boys, It's a multiple choice question one, what

1243
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 2>is our longest winning streak against the Roosters? Decline? Is

1244
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 2>it A one? B two, C three or D four?

1245
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go or be optimistic, Steve.

1246
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 6>I was reading the team sheet mates, so I didn't

1247
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.559
<v Speaker 6>even hear the question. So I'll say, see, we'll see

1248
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 6>he's correct, Steve. It's the old theory of multiple choice,

1249
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:29.960
<v Speaker 6>isn't it went in doubt? Go see that was my

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01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.199
<v Speaker 6>theory in high school. Passed me a lot of exams.

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<v Speaker 5>So well, some one nil.

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01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 2>We had a time Steve. Question two true or false?

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01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.280
<v Speaker 2>The last time West Tigers had a halftime lead against

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01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the Roosters was in a season we made the top eight.

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01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Declan both true it is false. And I was at

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01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 2>this game in twenty eighteen. We led two nil at halftime.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the Round one game where Tuoy Lola here

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01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:00.559
<v Speaker 2>kicked the penalty goal before halftime. He also kicked the

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01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 2>sideline conversion the winners that game, eight to six. That

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01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 2>was in James Tedesco's first game for the Roosters, so

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01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.679
<v Speaker 2>that was one of the rare very memorable moments.

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01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:11.519
<v Speaker 5>Is that all written down? Is that all written down?

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01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:12.880
<v Speaker 5>Is that your memory?

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01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Old memory? Yeah?

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01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>People say I always bring up the bad time, Steve,

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01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 2>but I like to bring up good as well. Question

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01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>three against which two clubs did Jason Lowry Remember he

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01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:28.840
<v Speaker 2>probably weren't a live deck and he was bald headed

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01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Kiwi front rower back in the early two thousands, late nineties.

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01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Against which two clubs did Jason Lowry score his two

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01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 2>and only rugby league tries against?

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01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Hint?

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01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Both were scored during his West Tigers career. One of

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01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.000
<v Speaker 2>them was in the year two thousand. One of them

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01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 2>was in the year two thousand and one. I'll give

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01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you guys a clue. One of them was against a

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01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:57.320
<v Speaker 2>team that no longer exists. Half of their body still exists,

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01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 2>but it's a different name, Other Merger Northern Northern Eagles declan,

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01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 2>I remember it his first try and this is written

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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 2>down Steve round ten to two thousand was out at

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01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Gosford and his second try. I was at this game

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01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:19.800
<v Speaker 2>round three to two thousand and one at Campbelltown. It

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01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.280
<v Speaker 2>was against the New Zealand Warriors. Game one hundred and

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01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.880
<v Speaker 2>forty one hundred and forty two tries, one hundred and

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01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 2>forty two games Declan scored before he scored his first try.

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01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.199
<v Speaker 2>So that's more than twelve, isn't it. Oh no, maybe

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01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.559
<v Speaker 2>I think Thick Twele got his first one. Maybe with

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01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.960
<v Speaker 2>one hundred games in not that, don't care. Question four,

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01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.920
<v Speaker 2>nearest to the pin as of the end of last season?

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01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:50.000
<v Speaker 2>What is the average ladder position? Our average ladder position

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01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:54.440
<v Speaker 2>at the completion of the regular season. I mean, you'd

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01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:56.960
<v Speaker 2>think this would be horrible. I'm giving giving a little

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01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 2>clue here, but there were a lot of Tim Sheen's

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01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.360
<v Speaker 2>years where this side I'd love to run just below

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01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:07.480
<v Speaker 2>mid table. So average ladder position declar was eleven.

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01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll say two.

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01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Declan was spot on. He took your money there, Steve,

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01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 2>he's got eleventh. I was going to say, yeah, who

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01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.559
<v Speaker 2>am I? And I'll give you a clue. Boys, nowe A,

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01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:22.440
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get this. That's the clue you're going

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01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to get, so I'll read it out anyway for our listeners.

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01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I was born in Auckland in nineteen eighty two. I

1304
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:34.519
<v Speaker 2>debuted for the Broncos in the year before our clubs

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01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.079
<v Speaker 2>made them premiership, so that would be two thousand and four.

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01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I played twenty five games there, scoring fifteen tries. In

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01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:46.079
<v Speaker 2>three years. I signed with our two thousand and six

1308
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:51.679
<v Speaker 2>World Club Challenge opponents I think that was Bradford for

1309
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 2>two years. Returned in the Orld in mid two thousand

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01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and nine with our West Tigers. I failed to make

1311
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 2>any appearances that season. I was touted as our tan

1312
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Yella Tuiaki replacement prior to the Lotti Takiri signing. I

1313
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 2>retired at the end of twenty ten, again playing no

1314
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:16.880
<v Speaker 2>NRL games due to constant injuries. My name is Tame

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01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:21.280
<v Speaker 2>twuo Po and Steve. I can't even though I've got

1316
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a good memory, I don't remember Tame two po no

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01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I got nothing.

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01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Declan, what are you doing for the game this week?

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01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.079
<v Speaker 2>If you like me? Have you sort of quit going

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01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to games even though I'm going this week? I shouldn't

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01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.559
<v Speaker 2>say that, but are you enthusiastic to go to any

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01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 2>games before the end of the season.

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01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:39.840
<v Speaker 5>Look, not really.

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01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I think I behaved and bed the coach. It seems

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01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:46.159
<v Speaker 3>like more of ature, I mean, really negative. That's the podcast.

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01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I really should try and.

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01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.079
<v Speaker 4>Be more positive. But yeah, I think it's exactly what

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01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:51.480
<v Speaker 4>you said. It's just the Risters.

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01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 3>They just a lot of teams be us like throughout

1331
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.960
<v Speaker 3>these years, but the Risters they just really be ours,

1332
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.880
<v Speaker 3>don't they like they just absolutely have the word over

1333
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.079
<v Speaker 3>is more than an other team. But you know, we

1334
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:07.000
<v Speaker 3>have to be positive and yeah, it's actually a really

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01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 3>good grained.

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01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 4>As well or no.

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01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Question, I answered, No, I will not be watching it

1338
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.079
<v Speaker 3>will be obviously I'll just be having my eyes closed

1339
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:20.640
<v Speaker 3>and probably turn it off for half tame.

1340
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I'll still try and watch.

1341
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Steve, you are quite vociferous Sunday about and rightly so.

1342
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, memberships don't get canceled three quarters of the

1343
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.880
<v Speaker 2>way through the season. How many games you reckon you're

1344
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:34.520
<v Speaker 2>going to go to until the end of the year.

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01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:36.159
<v Speaker 2>We do have two of our three like ut which

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01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:37.279
<v Speaker 2>is something I'm looking forward to.

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01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.520
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I'll go to all our home games for sure.

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01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm not decided about this. Sunday. Yet this I just

1349
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.520
<v Speaker 5>I just don't want to end up out of the

1350
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:52.000
<v Speaker 5>ground and just angry at twenty minutes into the game

1351
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:56.479
<v Speaker 5>and fuming because we're so poor. But I think I

1352
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.439
<v Speaker 5>think i'll probably end. I'll do what I usually do.

1353
01:08:58.479 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 5>I'll say I'm not going. I'm not going to go.

1354
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.680
<v Speaker 5>I am not going to go. Then Sunday more, when

1355
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.119
<v Speaker 5>I get up, I'll put my gear on and I go.

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01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 5>So we'll see.

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01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 2>All right, boys, thank you for tonight, and Declan, I

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01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.640
<v Speaker 2>think you are. That's what happens when you're not on

1359
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:11.920
<v Speaker 2>a podcast for a few weeks. You've picked up all

1360
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that anger and you let it out tonight. So I

1361
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:15.880
<v Speaker 2>thought you were our man of the match tonight. I

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01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:16.920
<v Speaker 2>thought you were outstanding.

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01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 5>That said a lot of two of us, all

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01:09:22.199 --> 01:10:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, see boys, sid SPI