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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible to think that when we bear a child,

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<v Speaker 1>their whole world lays in our hands. How they're raised,

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<v Speaker 1>what lessons we teach them, and the values we pass

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<v Speaker 1>along are all up to us as parents. Sometimes, though

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<v Speaker 1>we hold much more than just these virtuous things. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>their life literally is held in our grasp, and if

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<v Speaker 1>we let go, death may rear its ugly grim gaze.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. The following podcast and.

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<v Speaker 1>Material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Listener discretions.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the podcast. We hope everyone had a

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<v Speaker 1>merry Christmas, Happy holidays. Are you just looking at me

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<v Speaker 1>like I was expecting you to talk?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was waiting for you to finish. Good God,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good intro.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I thought you were going to say something and

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<v Speaker 1>add on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, but I thought you were still wishing

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<v Speaker 2>everyone out whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I thought you might jump in and say something

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy days. Off. We hope everyone

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, we're also over here, just like a little

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<v Speaker 2>hammered on the mosas just.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we're not, We're not, We're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only on momosa number what two that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>milking this mimosa all day.

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<v Speaker 1>That mimosa is going on like hour three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually been bothering Ben so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was not like room temperature in flat it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>It tastes fine, though, that is waste it. I've just

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of busy. And then I was up in

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<v Speaker 2>the loft and I didn't take it up there, and

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I was sitting on the counter and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>surprised you actually just didn't finish it because you kept

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<v Speaker 2>bitching about why it was still there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was tempted, but then I realized at this point

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably just going to be nastiness, so I avoided it.

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<v Speaker 2>It tastes quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I have a feeling that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>taste like the next day's like, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not because ACCOUNT still trying to enjoy this. I

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<v Speaker 2>think everyone Ben ruins this, like you ruin so many

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<v Speaker 2>things right before we're about to eat or enjoy anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just like compare it to the most nastiest ship.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I have to try to enjoy it if

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like vomit.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, it looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>Vomit, I'm sorry you very much, so do Yeah, I'm okay,

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<v Speaker 3>my bad.

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<v Speaker 2>So this episode seems like it might need a trigger warning.

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, it definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anyone that has an infant of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, trigger warning. This handles in the death of

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<v Speaker 1>a child and it also deals with severe mental issues

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<v Speaker 1>with depression and suicidal thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, which is sad because this time of year, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like that's so prominent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I will put a helpline in the description

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast as well. If you think that you

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<v Speaker 1>might be having these sort of thoughts, please seek help.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a link down below where you can find help.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, please please take advantage of that. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people out there who actually help

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<v Speaker 1>us on a weekly basis, and that is people over.

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<v Speaker 2>On Patreon, right, And we got a few of them

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<v Speaker 2>sign up over the holidays, didn't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did. So those people over there are always

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<v Speaker 1>supporting us. Not that you guys here aren't, trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>We seriously appreciate that too. They get that little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of extra content over there. They're supporting us over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They get even a whole episode at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's coming up. Lots of times we'll do pre

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<v Speaker 2>shows before each episode and it's just kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more behind the scenes of what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>us or with the podcast or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've done trivia giveaways on there, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a great place to be. And the people

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<v Speaker 1>we had signed up this week we have Kim Kirsten Newman,

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<v Speaker 1>Magnolia Henson, Stephanie and Stephanie Marino.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much for signing up over on Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate, we appreciate, we appreciate that support.

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<v Speaker 2>We absolutely do.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to go sign up, a Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>link is below. But if not, like I've already said before,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you just being here. Regardless of thank you too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kicked your play soccer ball accidentally, way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was playing with it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sleeping, she didn't notice. It's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>She got spoiled rotten that dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she did. Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, she actually plays with the toys that we

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<v Speaker 2>give her though, so it's kind of nice. Most dogs

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<v Speaker 2>it just sits in a bin.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I think like she's got some at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of her bin that aren't getting used. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should probably donate them to the SPCE.

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<v Speaker 2>We should, yeah, give them to the dog that would

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<v Speaker 2>like some new toys.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you ready to dive into this case.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had a slurp of mymosa, so I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>good before we do that, I do hope everyone had

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<v Speaker 2>a very good, happy holiday, Merry Christmas, like we already

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<v Speaker 2>said at the beginning, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I just want to again.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just watching you because okay, I'm sorry, but

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<v Speaker 2>two times in a row it's a you, it's me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amaz.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it almost sounds like you have more to say,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you just abruptly stop and stare at me

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm just fucking to be saying something.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it on purpose that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Good glored. Okay, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, all right? Okay, So our case starts off in

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<v Speaker 1>July fifth of twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, that's newish.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like almost ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what isn't it's only twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>But in like a few days it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, that makes them like seven years old or

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<v Speaker 2>eight years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's coming on a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine.

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<v Speaker 1>So the summer heat was beginning to roll through Portland, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 1>with temperatures reaching as high as thirty six degrees celsius

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<v Speaker 1>or ninety six point eight degrees fahrenheit. It was on

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<v Speaker 1>this muggy evening that a twenty two year old man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Tony Moreno was out for a

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<v Speaker 1>stroll with his seven month old son, Aiden Moreno. In

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<v Speaker 1>the stroller, Tony was pushing his son along the sidewalk

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<v Speaker 1>on their way to the destination. The wheels would clunk

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<v Speaker 1>every time they passed along the seam of the concrete. Clunk, clunk,

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<v Speaker 1>clunk as I walked along. Their destination was Aragoni Bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>named after the state legislator Charles J. Aragoni. The bridge

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<v Speaker 1>runs perpendicular to the Connecticut River and connects Middletown to Portland.

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge is a view of the cities and the rushing

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<v Speaker 1>river one hundred feet below. Once they arrived on the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony stopped pushing the stroller. He took on the view

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<v Speaker 1>from the city as he stood there, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>the other end. The conversation wasn't long. He needed her

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<v Speaker 1>to do him a favor. As they spoke, his son

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<v Speaker 1>was heard crying briefly in the background before he asked

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<v Speaker 1>her to come to the bridge and pick up his

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<v Speaker 1>cell phone and the stroller he was pushing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>before much more it could be said, he hung up

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<v Speaker 1>the phone right after saying sorry, just tell everyone, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is a call you never want

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<v Speaker 2>to receive.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So the mom, needless to say, was on edge here.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine your son just being like, yeah, pick

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<v Speaker 1>up my stroller and cell phone here, and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell everyone, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, because at that point it's just it's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to say too late, but it's like it

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<v Speaker 2>says she, if you're not right with the person, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, after he ended the call with his mother, he

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<v Speaker 1>then began texting with an individual named Adrianne Loyola Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian was the mother of their son, Aidan Okay. The

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<v Speaker 1>two met when Adrian was thirteen years old and Tony

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<v Speaker 1>was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's some age difference for that age.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and then they began dating when she was sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>and he was twenty. Now, there is an obvious age

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<v Speaker 1>difference here, and adrian was clearly underage. Yea, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to dive too much into that for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. But yeah, that on its own kind of creepy,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put it that way. Anyways. Regardless, the two ended

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<v Speaker 1>up living together during the relationship end when she was pregnant. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>during her pregnant see, however, things changed a bit in

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship. Tony began showing signs of depression, he was struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently even began to get a bit aggressive in

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship, uttering threats and those sort of things. All

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<v Speaker 1>in all, we do know what their relationship was on

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks. Then Adrianne did what needed to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>She broke up with Tony Okay, while she was still pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming I.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't find if it was while she was still pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>or after she had their kid. Okay, all I know

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<v Speaker 1>is that it was kind of around that same sort

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<v Speaker 1>of time. I'm thinking it was prior to when she

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<v Speaker 1>was still pregnant. Kind of how the timeline plays out here.

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<v Speaker 2>You're super young, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, definitely, she was still in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so she because she would have been pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>like seventeen or something. I'm assuming here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So Now, reportedly Tony actually tried to rekindle things

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<v Speaker 1>and proposed to her the night of her high school

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<v Speaker 1>prom even.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, but she said no hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she apparently almost missed her high school graduation

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<v Speaker 1>because Tony stole her dress and shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, yes, well that's not the way to win

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<v Speaker 2>someone back.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. No. Now, these stories, though, they do not

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of information around surrounding them, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can't talk a whole lot on it, unfortunately. But what

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<v Speaker 1>we do know is they were struggling to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that Adrian actually feared she and their son Aiden were unsafe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, hey, yes, so it's kind of something that

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<v Speaker 2>he might be struggle with for longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's a high potential of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, like it was an ongoing battle probably, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that way. Now, with this case, there isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of information prior to the night of

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<v Speaker 1>the incident. I'll say that only what is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>said through statements afterwards. That's all we really know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of guesswork in the prior build up

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<v Speaker 1>to this. I'm not touching on any of that guesswork.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mostly just going on all the facts that we

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<v Speaker 1>know through individuals who are involved. But we can't dive

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<v Speaker 1>deeper into it because it's just guesswork. Right. So, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of she felt unsafe, so she filed for a temporary

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<v Speaker 1>restraining order in June of twenty fifteen. Now, this restraining

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<v Speaker 1>order would only last two weeks as she and Tony

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<v Speaker 1>worked out a custody agreement to try and co parent

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's super good.

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<v Speaker 1>I do understand there's exceptions to every rule. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just say that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There is. Oh yeah, would there could be a reason

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<v Speaker 2>why one of them couldn't have the child in their custody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir, So there are exceptions to every rule. However,

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<v Speaker 1>nine times out of ten, I do think that parents

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can do it's probably probably going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a worse off situation if you avoid that. Yeah, unless

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<v Speaker 1>the extenuating circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I'm kind of thinking that in this situation,

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<v Speaker 2>it might not have been for the best.

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<v Speaker 3>You're probably thinking, right, Okay, Okay, it was only actually

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<v Speaker 3>a few days after that agreement though, that that not

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<v Speaker 3>being for the best would happen. Gosh, because it was

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<v Speaker 3>only a few days after that agreement that Tony took

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<v Speaker 3>his son Aiden for that stroll to Aragony Bridge. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this bridge, I haven't mentioned this yet, but we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of already know where it's going. But Aragony Bridge is

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<v Speaker 3>a bridge that has a reputation for being the place

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<v Speaker 3>where people go to commit suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we've been to Portland. Yes, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>so many of these cases we haven't actually ever ventured too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if we would have seen this bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, there's a potential because when we drove through it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like we probably would have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we left, we got there in the evening,

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<v Speaker 1>We left in the evening, so I can't recall seeing

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<v Speaker 1>specific bridges. I do know you passed over bridges, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all or can recall.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to kind of go back on like Google

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<v Speaker 2>maps and stuff and.

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<v Speaker 1>Look so out on this bridge. While standing there, Tony

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<v Speaker 1>would text Adrian and she would text back, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would have this exchange, and the messages went kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like this, well, not kind of like this exactly, They

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<v Speaker 1>went like this. Now. There could be some messages in

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<v Speaker 1>between that weren't brought up, but these are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that I found. Tony would say, you won't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me tomorrow or any other day. Enjoy your new life

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<v Speaker 1>without us now, Adrian, Tony, I'm trying to make this

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<v Speaker 1>co parenting thing work. You're sick, not a parent anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Their conversation kind of went back and forth for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>When Adrian asked where he and their son were, Tony

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<v Speaker 1>responded by saying, he's dead. Oh, and soon I will

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<v Speaker 1>be too. Oh no, Adrian responded by, you couldn't kill

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<v Speaker 1>your own son. Please don't hurt aiden, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, that's brutal. That's so brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine getting that text?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, oh, my heart's just like sinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, He's dead and soon I will be too. Yikes,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot imagine what would be going through a mother's

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<v Speaker 1>head receiving a text regarding their son like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like a mother let alone anyone? Really? Yeah? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that is heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like she'd be freaking the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent, yeah and totally understandable. She immediately

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<v Speaker 1>contacted authorities, and authorities made their way to the scene

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<v Speaker 1>as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And do they know where they were going? Did? He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say where they were to her though, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume he would have yes, because she called authorities

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<v Speaker 1>and let them know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, dang.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was there on the bridge they found an

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<v Speaker 1>empty stroller and Tony clinging to the edge of the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony's mother was also present, as she had showed up

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<v Speaker 1>just before the police, and there she was pleading with

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<v Speaker 1>him to move towards her and away from the edge,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said he couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>So he okay, I have questions here, but maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>just need to let you keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got for questions?

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<v Speaker 2>So he didn't jump off the bridge, Like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean clinging?

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<v Speaker 1>He's standing on there, holding to the handrail, still looking

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<v Speaker 1>over the handrail into the river.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's no baby to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no baby to be found right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But the baby was there when they got to the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the mother heard the baby crying on the b

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<v Speaker 1>in the background phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you good, Yeah, Well, I don't know. Actually, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not good. This is not good. I'm okay, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>So the baby's in the river. The baby's in the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking river.

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<v Speaker 1>You think I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go here. We need answers. This is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Middletown police officer Austin Smith also tried to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Tony, but was unsuccessful talking him down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead, Tony put both his hands on the railing and

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<v Speaker 1>hurled himself over, dropping into the water below, almost one hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet below, with his freaking mom and stuff right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. Wow, his mother watched him jump off the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh my goodness, this is really really, really heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>Other officers on scene were down below and quickly found

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<v Speaker 1>Tony treading water after he impacted on the surface survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's not likely, right, The odds are that you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't correct.

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<v Speaker 1>The odds are you wouldn't though on this bridge. There

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<v Speaker 1>are others who have reportedly survived as well. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred feet that's a long ways. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>grand scheme of things, that's survivable for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. Yeah, but I mean you'd have to you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be prepared necessarily to land the right way, and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have to land the right way to survive that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you would. So he must have lucked out fluke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you end up landing the right way feet first

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<v Speaker 1>or something to minimize your impact, then then yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>survivable for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you landed like a belly flop, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I just realized it sound like the kool

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<v Speaker 1>aid Man when I said, oh, yeah, which ye. Sorry anyways, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually has a mugshot after this where yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>got major black eyes, like his eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>So like the fact that he didn't die is pretty lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And officers were unseen there, so they managed to

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<v Speaker 1>pull him out rather quickly. And they immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the baby and where's the freaking baby?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first thing they asked. They immediately asked where

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<v Speaker 1>is the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Like praying to freaking God that like this baby actually

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<v Speaker 2>is somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of the officers recalls actually being like

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<v Speaker 1>inches from his face, like screaming at him multiple times,

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<v Speaker 1>where is the baby? Like where is he? But Tony

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respond, Oh my god. He just sat there, looked

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<v Speaker 1>up at the officers and was silent, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>no sign of seven month old little aidd Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just like, maybe there's a possibility that he's

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he was found two days later, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>be found by kayakers in the water we'll fall fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>miles downstream of the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Yes, so this guy actually threw his fucking seven

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<v Speaker 2>month old baby off the bridge, Like you're not kidding that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is that's like what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I all I can say right now is his baby

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<v Speaker 1>went over the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, wow, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Aiden's autopsy revealed several things, one of which was

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<v Speaker 1>a large skull fracture that was approximately four inches long.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second was foaming at the mouth and nose,

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<v Speaker 1>which was consistent with drowning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I I'll just wait.

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<v Speaker 1>His estimated death showed that it was the same day

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<v Speaker 1>he went missing. In his autopsy, he had died two

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<v Speaker 1>days prior, which was when.

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<v Speaker 2>He went missing, and so like if he throw him

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<v Speaker 2>off this bridge, which it's seeming like he did, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the baby didn't actually die from the impact, that he

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<v Speaker 2>died from drowning.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have died from drowning, it seems as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the autopsy goes. Yes. However, would he have survived the

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<v Speaker 1>impact if he didn't drowned? That is another question on

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<v Speaker 1>its own. Wow, so the cause of death was drowning.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I'm kind of almost speechless here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's brutal, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's so much that I want to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that, like the dad had a mental health

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<v Speaker 2>like serious mental health issue. You know, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>even say anything in regards to that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, but like it is you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>mental health or not. Though this is a sick thing.

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<v Speaker 2>To do, Like that's your kid, and like if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not of sound mind, like you need to say, like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't take the kid right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap. So it was clear, of course, we've already talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it that young Aiden went over the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge into the water, and wow, he did not survive. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there are two very different stories that came came out

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<v Speaker 1>during his trial.

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<v Speaker 2>I have another question I'm acology, okay, go ahead, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually really hard to grasp, right, So I

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<v Speaker 2>like my brain is I might just have more We're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna have to deal with, okay. So if the

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<v Speaker 2>Kayakers that they find this baby just like floating in

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<v Speaker 2>the water, or was it like on the bank? Do

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<v Speaker 2>we know this?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. All I know is from the reports

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<v Speaker 1>that came forward, Kayakers found Aiden.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably I'm assuming the on the bank actually because it

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<v Speaker 2>was two days later and not that far of a distance.

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<v Speaker 1>But it all depends on the flow of the river

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<v Speaker 1>though too right, how fast it's flowing, or if it

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<v Speaker 1>got fourteen miles so it's seven miles a day. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say. So there's a lot of variables

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<v Speaker 1>within that, and variables that were not answered in any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of report or article that I was able to find. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So in the court proceedings, like I said, there are

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<v Speaker 1>two different stories. Now, it was mentioned in court that

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<v Speaker 1>Tony while being evaluated in the hospital by a psychiatrists

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<v Speaker 1>and the psychiatrist was Samira Solomon, that Tony was saying

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00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.079
<v Speaker 1>he had thought about killing himself but did not want

432
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<v Speaker 1>to leave his son be raised by his ex girlfriend's family.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.

434
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<v Speaker 1>She told the jury that Tony was quote ambivalent about

435
00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>being alive and had recent thoughts and intent to kill his.

436
00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Son because if he wasn't there, he didn't want anyone

437
00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:45.440
<v Speaker 2>else raising this baby.

438
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Basically, essentially, I guess, yeah, pretty well. Now in another interview,

439
00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:57.200
<v Speaker 1>she said, I recall the patient being adamant about his

440
00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.359
<v Speaker 1>intention to be dead before he was a rested, and

441
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 1>she also added that Tony wanted to commit suicide, but

442
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.799
<v Speaker 1>quote was afraid of his son living in his current

443
00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 1>life situation, so he wanted to kill himself and his son. Now,

444
00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>another interview with a completely different individual, mind you, went

445
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.599
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like this. It was Officer Lee Buller

446
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.359
<v Speaker 1>who was on the scene for his rescue and also

447
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.160
<v Speaker 1>talked about things Tony mentioned while in hospital. Apparently he

448
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>had explained that and this is a quote from Officer

449
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Lee Buller. He said he knew what he needed to do,

450
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and when he asked to clarify what needed to do

451
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 1>was yeah. Tony's response was that, quote, he needed to

452
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>kill his son and then kill himself, and the reason

453
00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.759
<v Speaker 1>for killing his son was so that he wouldn't have

454
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<v Speaker 1>to have been raised by his ex girlfriend's family.

455
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because he's so mentally stable that he's like

456
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>justifying this in his mind. Yeah, which is wow.

457
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, in another interview regarding while Tony was in the hospital,

458
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:17.240
<v Speaker 1>detective Dane Semper said that Tony directly admitted to killing

459
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>his son. Quote. I asked him directly if he dropped

460
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Aiden from the bridge. He nodded yes.

461
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

462
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:31.799
<v Speaker 1>And this quote from the detective Dane Semper was actually

463
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<v Speaker 1>allowed to be used as evidence in court.

464
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense.

465
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.279
<v Speaker 1>So this was the story that prosecutors would be pursuing

466
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a sick individual. Whether you want to look however, you

467
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>want to look at the word sick, because he was

468
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>clinically ill, he had mental disabilities or mental issues whatever.

469
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>But he also did a very sick discussion.

470
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>He did act he very much so did so a

471
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<v Speaker 1>sick individual who threw their son over the bridge and

472
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 1>then jumped in a suicide attempt to end their own

473
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 1>life in retaliation after Adrian broke off the relationship. They

474
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.640
<v Speaker 1>even had the text messages between Tony and Adrian to

475
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.680
<v Speaker 1>help paint this picture. You know, right, you won't talk

476
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 1>to me tomorrow or any other day. Enjoy your new

477
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:20.079
<v Speaker 1>life without us.

478
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 2>And the mom's phone call. I imagined she would have

479
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:23.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of shared that a bit.

480
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And of course the biggest one of all he's

481
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>dead and soon I will be too.

482
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep. So you know, you know, it's almost a wonder

483
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 2>if he did actually text her once he'd already like

484
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:42.039
<v Speaker 2>thrown this little baby off the bridge. Hey, Like, was

485
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>he actually dead when he was messaging with her.

486
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>There's a possibility of that, definitely. Now I'm going to

487
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 1>get touch on this here a little bit about in

488
00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, because Tony claims otherwise. No, story is

489
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a bit different. He claimed he did not murder his son.

490
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 1>He did say it was an accident. It's important to

491
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.759
<v Speaker 1>note that Tony was willing to plead guilty to any

492
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>other charge other than murder, and was actually offered a

493
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>fifty year plea if he pled guilty, So fifty years

494
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>in jail if he pled guilty. He refused. Okay, So

495
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.519
<v Speaker 1>his defense attorney addressed the court and said this, we

496
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>want the jury to know, mister Moreno accepts criminal responsibility

497
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>for his son's death. He was alone with his son

498
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>when his son went into the water. Mister Moreno accepts

499
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 1>responsibility for his son's death, but in his view it

500
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 1>was not murder. Sorry.

501
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Was the fifty years like a plea bargain? Yes, Oh

502
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.480
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, that's so long though. Hey, that is so

503
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like a plea bargain.

504
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 1>That was the plea bargain. So if he accepts murder charges,

505
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 1>if he pleads guilty to murder, it would only be

506
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. Okay, but he refused me because it was.

507
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's some serious neglect then, because I can't imagine

508
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>how you would accidentally throw your child over a bridge.

509
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, while taking a stand, Tony said he was walking

510
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 1>along the Aragony Bridge between Middleton and Portland. There he

511
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>was spending time with his son and was pointing out landmarks,

512
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>which included the movie theater that they could view where

513
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>he and Adrian had shared their first kiss.

514
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but the kid is only seven months old.

515
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I don't know.

516
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>A sorry, maybe you would still be pointing out landmarks.

517
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course you would be, right.

518
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 2>I guess you would be.

519
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 1>You talk to your child, no matter how old they are,

520
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>if they understand or not.

521
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, that's fair, that's fair.

522
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when it's come to the mother and father

523
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 1>having a rocky relationship. He might be wanting to rekindle

524
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>things or something, and he's reminiscing and trying to share

525
00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>these important things with his son, and hey, that's where

526
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 1>mom and I had our first kiss.

527
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'd probably do that to Ripley.

528
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It may not be fair to the dog. It

529
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 1>may not be something that's important to their son Aiden,

530
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 1>but it might be something that's important to Tony to him.

531
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>No, that's fair. I get that.

532
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So, while in court, defense attorney Norman A. Pattis asked Tony, quote,

533
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 1>did you intend to kill your son Aiden Moreno on

534
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 1>July fifth, twenty fifteen, and Tony answered no. So the

535
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 1>attorney asked what happened, to which Tony replied, I dropped him.

536
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I dropped him.

537
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I dropped him.

538
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

539
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Now that is also important if you talk about that

540
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence that Detective Dane Semper was talking about,

541
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 1>because he asked if he dropped Aiden, and he said yes.

542
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Drop dropped does not mean on purpose.

543
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Drop does not necessarily mean like I threw him over

544
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 2>the bridge.

545
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Okay, So regarding the text he sent Adrian, Tony

546
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>testified that their son was still alive, during those texts.

547
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of angry texts sort of situation, right,

548
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>which I mean, people can definitely get that way. I

549
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 1>don't understand it. But people do say things that they

550
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>don't mean in the heat of the moment.

551
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely they do. Yeah.

552
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So when he was asked to reenact what happened

553
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that night for the jury in the courtroom, he was

554
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>provided with a doll in a mock up section of

555
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the bridge railing. There. Tony demonstrated in the court how

556
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>he was standing with the son in his arms. And

557
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.039
<v Speaker 1>there's actually pictures of this you can find online in

558
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of him holding this doll on this mock up in

559
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:50.039
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom.

560
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I thought even on the bridge, because I

561
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, there's got to be people have been driving

562
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 2>by witnessing this.

563
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 1>No, there's a mock up in the courtroom with like

564
00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the railing and everything, and he's provided with a doll,

565
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 1>so he's holding it in the courtroom acting it out,

566
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>reenacting the situation. And while he's doing this, he said,

567
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I picked him up out of the stroller and I

568
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>was just walking back and forth talking to him. And

569
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>at this point, defense attorney Pattis asked Tony if while

570
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>leaning on the railing with Aiden essentially perched on the edge,

571
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>did he lose grip or control of his son? Tony

572
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>was a wreck and was unable to collect himself to

573
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>answer the question in court.

574
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Holy, that's brutal to be having this baby anywhere near

575
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the railing, Like what is he doing?

576
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, we've seen situations similar to this live TV,

577
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the Michael Jackson incident for example.

578
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, I can't recall what the fuck that incident is.

579
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Jackson was in a hotel or something like that. Oh,

580
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it was somewhere in Europe. It's coming back

581
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>to me, and yeah, he held his son basically over

582
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the ledge or for media and stuff. But it looked very,

583
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>very scary.

584
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Like in the moment. I guess people, I mean, you

585
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 2>never really think that anything bad's going to necessarily happen.

586
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you generally don't a.

587
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Lot of times when disasters happen, you're like, oh, I

588
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't see that coming.

589
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean I have a safety professional. I

590
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>talk to people all the time who have accidents, like, yeah,

591
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 1>I just it was a dumb thing. I can't like

592
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't have done that, of course. Yeah, hindsight is

593
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. You never absolutely, like you said, you never

594
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 1>think you're gonna get hurt.

595
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 2>No, So.

596
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Defense attorney Pattis would also ask a very important question

597
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>for the defense to the individual who performed the autopsy.

598
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>He asked if they found any sign that Aiden had

599
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a condition called mile clonus, which causes muscle spasms. Oh, however,

600
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 1>it was said that there was no evidence of that condition,

601
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>but it may not be evident upon post mortem examination.

602
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So almost like Aiden, I don't know. I mean, kids

603
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that age I think are really like wiggly, right, Yeah,

604
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>so it's almost kind of saying that he like wiggled

605
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>out of his dad's arms in a sense.

606
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Essentially, Yes, if you're looking at that specific statement or

607
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>question towards the autopsy individual, he could be hensing that

608
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a condition where he causes almost seizure, like I

609
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:38.839
<v Speaker 1>guess spasms, which would probably add to the risk of

610
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>an individual being dropped.

611
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.839
<v Speaker 2>I do think that would be known though, that some

612
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 2>a family member or the mom would be able to

613
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of identify that. But I'm just saying, Okay, well,

614
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the kid had that, but like there

615
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe he like wiggled like he did, not wiggled a

616
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 2>lot or I don't know.

617
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred percent. There's whether you have this condition

618
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 1>and as a factor not, it's a possibility. Still if

619
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 1>you have that situation where you are dangling your kid essentially.

620
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Over the edge, Gosh, that just makes me want to

621
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 2>that's just so cringe like so bad.

622
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's brutal.

623
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>The visuals of that is just horrific.

624
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Tony's defense essentially talking that one way or another,

625
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 1>he accidentally dropped his son over the edge and already

626
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>having his suicidal tendencies, now having his son gone, I mean,

627
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that would be the icing on the

628
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:43.200
<v Speaker 1>cake for himself. Yeah, but the prosecution said that he

629
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>willingly threw his son overboard before committing attempting to commit

630
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 1>to take his own life.

631
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the evidence is kind of there to

632
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>show that as well.

633
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Yep, very strong evidence, if I may say.

634
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>The text to the mother.

635
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the admissions in the hot bit to three

636
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>different individuals, Yeah, about taking his son's life. I guess

637
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to the one detective he did say dropped. He didn't

638
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>specifically say, but regardless. It was in February of twenty seventeen,

639
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Tony Moreno, regarding the death of his son Aiden, would

640
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 1>be found guilty, okay. Judge Alpedo Vital sentenced him to

641
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 1>sixty years for murder, as well as ten years for

642
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>the risk of injury to a minor. The sentencing will

643
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<v Speaker 1>be served consecutively, which means Tony has seventy years without parole.

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<v Speaker 2>Like kill, I'm assuming that he will not ever get out. Ye,

645
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<v Speaker 2>he's in his twenties right and then yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the sentencing, Judge Vital said this, not only

647
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<v Speaker 1>did you violate and intentionally kill your seven month old son,

648
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<v Speaker 1>but you taunt his mother as you commit the act

649
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<v Speaker 1>with text messages that were apt described as quote demonic,

650
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<v Speaker 1>just so you could add to her unfathomable grief.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of the courtroom after the sentencing, Adrian Oyola, who

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<v Speaker 1>is Aidan's mother, read the following statement to reporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man already arriving here.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to thank Judge my tale for the

656
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<v Speaker 1>maximum sentence in this case, and now Aidan can rest

657
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in peace knowing that justice was served. I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for Denise Manero, Tony's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she did the.

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<v Speaker 1>Best she could with her son. It's not her fault.

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<v Speaker 1>My prayers are with her. I would like to thank

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<v Speaker 1>the Middletown Police Department, State's Attorney, the police, the first

663
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 1>responders in everyone who searched and rescued for my son,

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<v Speaker 1>and the victims Advocate especially. Please continue to respect my

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00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>privacy while I continue to mourn my son, and please

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<v Speaker 1>keep Aiden in your prayers and thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, the fact that she even acknowledged his mom really

668
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<v Speaker 2>like shows something about her.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like that was that was not something I was expecting.

671
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<v Speaker 2>Like that statement actually was pretty wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean in the sense both those mothers

673
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 1>just lost their sons, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so yeah, she's almost able to grasp potentially what

675
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's kind of going through too. Oh this

676
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>is so hard because the fact that he had like

677
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<v Speaker 2>a mental illness. But oh my gosh, what he has

678
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<v Speaker 2>put the mother through and this poor child who was

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<v Speaker 2>seven months old just not like doesn't have a life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now there is one more thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know if we can take anymore here.

682
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<v Speaker 1>I went back and forth a lot on whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not I was going to add this last piece to

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<v Speaker 1>the end. Oh, because if I do that means I'm

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<v Speaker 1>letting Tony have the final words, okay, And while I

686
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<v Speaker 1>don't want that to happen, I also think that it's

687
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<v Speaker 1>a very important lesson to be learned here.

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<v Speaker 2>With what he says, okay, let's hear it.

689
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<v Speaker 1>So with that in mind, I'm going to let him

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<v Speaker 1>have those final words. On Tony's cell phone were some

691
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<v Speaker 1>recovered files, things he wanted people to find on his

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00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>phone after he jumped. For example, Okay, one was a

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<v Speaker 1>message to Adrian, a message that he ultimately deleted but

694
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 1>was recovered, and that message said this, you knew in

695
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<v Speaker 1>advance what I planned on doing, and you never tried

696
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 1>stopping You never even asked me not to do it,

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00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.639
<v Speaker 1>and that hurt me more than you'll ever know. But

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<v Speaker 1>after everything that happened between us, I guess I deserve that.

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<v Speaker 1>But just know that at the end of every I

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00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 1>waited for you to come and stop me, to come

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<v Speaker 1>and save me and tell me things would be okay,

702
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>that you still love me. But that was just hopeful wishing.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently that's bullshit. Actually the way to just like put

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<v Speaker 2>even more guilt on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So it's not that I'm believing his words. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look at it. Tony did a horrific thing, and

707
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>for that he should rot.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get me wrong, but I guess at some point

709
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<v Speaker 2>he was calling and he was asking for help.

710
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 1>He's asking for help, he's reaching out, he's crying for help.

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00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>That message in itself is a cry for help. So

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<v Speaker 1>for that, I just want to say, if anyone out

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<v Speaker 1>there needs help, know that acts like this are never

714
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<v Speaker 1>the solution. Now, they are never the way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Please seek help. Again. We've put that hotline description of

716
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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, seek it out if you need.

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<v Speaker 2>It well, because unless you like black and white, spell

718
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>it out. I don't think that people necessarily go there

719
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to like, oh this is like he's serious, Like this

720
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.320
<v Speaker 2>is actually what's going to happen. Yeah, Like I just

721
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think people fathom that they need to. There's some

722
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>people that be like, yeah, I need to help, but

723
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like they're not gonna unless you really spell it out,

724
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 2>realize the extent of it and putting that pressure and

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<v Speaker 2>even I don't know how to word this, but power

726
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>to someone else, like it's just not going to save you.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to do more.

728
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<v Speaker 1>You do need to do more. And if you do

729
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>choose a route where you're attempting to take your own

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<v Speaker 1>life or others around you. There is significant impact on

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00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 1>those who are left behind, and it's not a good

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00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>situation for yourself or anyone. Ask help, reach out. People

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00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're serious or not. Let them know

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<v Speaker 1>that you're serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's just human nature. We don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>go to the worst possible outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't. So yeah, so that is today's case.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I was just there is even that the

739
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<v Speaker 2>like the really recent suicide that's been all over the

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<v Speaker 2>news and stuff, right, I think it to which is

741
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<v Speaker 2>that how you would say his name?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I know what you're talking about.

743
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<v Speaker 2>So he was Ellen's DJ.

744
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, that guy is That's how.

745
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.119
<v Speaker 2>You'd say his name. It's like twitch, I think rich

746
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>t W I T H boss or something. Yeah, so

747
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<v Speaker 2>and that like yeah, he had left his wife and

748
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<v Speaker 2>I think they had two two or three children behind, right,

749
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and left his family behind like yeah, Like I can't

750
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>imagine how that family is going to heal from that.

751
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<v Speaker 1>So so work on these things. Ask for help. M M. Yeah. So,

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00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>like I said, description is down below. Okay, you need help, reach.

753
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Out and seven months old that is just like such

754
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a loss.

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00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It is, it really is. With that being said, I'm

756
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<v Speaker 1>not going to do a plug of all our information.

757
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<v Speaker 1>If you want to find it, it's all in the

758
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 1>description of the podcast. I really want to highlight that

759
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 1>that hotline again. If it's there you need it, please

760
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>seek that help. Other than that, until next time, stay wicked.