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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's radio home.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Nicoll, hold you and yours and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the audience had a great Saint Patrick's Day weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody got in any sort of trouble with anyone. My

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<v Speaker 2>name's Dan Ray. Host of Nightside, Rob Brooks is in

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<v Speaker 2>the control room back at the Big Broadcast Control Room

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<v Speaker 2>in downtown Medford, and we are set for another week

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<v Speaker 2>of Nightside. I will be here god willing five nights

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<v Speaker 2>this week from eight until midnight, so we have wats

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<v Speaker 2>to cover between now and Friday night at midnight. We

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be talking at nine o'clock tonight about some late

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<v Speaker 2>developments on the eve of the White Stadium legal battle

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<v Speaker 2>with a representative of both points of view on this

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<v Speaker 2>interesting case. We'll talk about that, and we'll also talk

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<v Speaker 2>about some of the deportations in the back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>that's been going on between the White House and a

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<v Speaker 2>judge down in Washington, DC, and give you a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to weigh in. But first, we of course have the

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<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock hour and I have four interesting guests, none

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting than my good friend Jim Brett. Jim and

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<v Speaker 2>I are together just about every Saint Patrick's Day weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>We were at the Dorchester sixteenth annual Saint Patrick's Day

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<v Speaker 2>Brunch on Saturday from nine thirty to noon at the

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Teresa of Calcutta Parish Hall. Jim Brett, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we had a pretty pretty good morning in Dorchester.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we did better than a pretty good morning,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thank you for your support and your advocacy

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<v Speaker 3>on behalf of the food Pantry. As you said, it's

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<v Speaker 3>sixteenth anniversary of putting this breakfast together, and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be able to do any of these sixteen dinners breakfast

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<v Speaker 3>without the support of my wife, Patty, and I am

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<v Speaker 3>grateful for her her advocacy. I'm making sure that the

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<v Speaker 3>breakfast is a stellar event and anyone that comes to

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<v Speaker 3>the event, and I always say good people come together

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<v Speaker 3>for a good cause, and that cause is the Food Pantry,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's needed now more than ever. Even in our

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<v Speaker 3>own neighborhoods in Boston, there are people who are looking

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<v Speaker 3>for an extra bag of groceries, and quite frankly, the

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<v Speaker 3>bags that we prepare and distribute to our neighbors and

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<v Speaker 3>our neighbors in need, they're about one hundred dollars worth

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<v Speaker 3>of goods, all nutritious items, and that makes a world

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<v Speaker 3>of difference to a lot of our neighbors. So you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to go far to find a way to

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<v Speaker 3>help your neighbor in need. And this is what we

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<v Speaker 3>do at the Marianne Bread Food Pantry each and every week.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only do we give out the groceries and the

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<v Speaker 3>packaged goods and the kins of beans, but on occasion

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<v Speaker 3>people will come to us and say, we have toys

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<v Speaker 3>we want to distribute to you, to you to give

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<v Speaker 3>to the to the children in Rochester and rock spray

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<v Speaker 3>matter pants. There are people who come in with clothing,

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<v Speaker 3>brand new clothing, and say, why don't you distribute that

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<v Speaker 3>to some of your neighbors. And I'm telling you, when

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<v Speaker 3>you distribute a brand new jacket or a brand new sweater,

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<v Speaker 3>you and I may take for that granted it's a

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<v Speaker 3>new sweater. You give it to somebody in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 3>and they they may say this the first time I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever had a new new sweater. So that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>always say, you don't have to go far to find

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<v Speaker 3>a way of making a difference. The marian Bread Food

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<v Speaker 3>pantry with extraordinary volunteers. I'm making a difference and helping

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<v Speaker 3>our neighbors cope, cope with day to day struggles that

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<v Speaker 3>they're having. And we do all five hundred families a month.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the volunteers are just that, they're volunteers.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know when anybody comes to that food pantry fundraiser,

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<v Speaker 3>I really believe they open their eyes at the same

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<v Speaker 3>time there their heart is touched by what that food

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<v Speaker 3>pantry represents in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's amazing, it's in a beautiful what used Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what still is Saint Margaret's Church. I know

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of it's named because of a

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<v Speaker 2>visit that I think Saint Teresa made there many years

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<v Speaker 2>ago called It's in the Saint Teresa of Calcutta Parish

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<v Speaker 2>Hall at church. Yes uh. And of course this was

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<v Speaker 2>started by the Brett family, a great family from Dorchester

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<v Speaker 2>in honor of your your late mom Mary and Brett,

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<v Speaker 2>which which honors her memory and helps so many people

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of a year. Is it five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>families that.

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<v Speaker 3>That we do about five hundred families a month? We

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<v Speaker 3>do five hundred families a month, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I assume that that cast can that group of

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<v Speaker 2>families can change over the course of the year. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not four hundred. Yeah, it may be ye,

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<v Speaker 2>many more than five hundred who at some point are help.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some are help there every month. Right, So once

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<v Speaker 2>tell us if people are in the neighborhood and they

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<v Speaker 2>need it, need some help, how do they get in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with you? The money's been raised, h you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>the hard work has been done for a year by

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<v Speaker 2>the Bread family. But boy, how do they get in touch?

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<v Speaker 2>They get it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's Yeah, well it could be John Roni father John

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<v Speaker 3>Ronigan at the church itself. But you know it would

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<v Speaker 3>be wonderful is just to have volunteers. We always look

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<v Speaker 3>for volunteers. Boy, if they ever came by the Fool

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<v Speaker 3>pantry on any given Saturday morning from nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>and we do have them on occasion to come and

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<v Speaker 3>to h and to observe what we do. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they get addicted and they said, I want to be here,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to help. I feel as though I'm making

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<v Speaker 3>a difference. So I would suggest anyone on the radio

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<v Speaker 3>listening audience, if you're interested in knowing more about the

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<v Speaker 3>food pintry.

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<v Speaker 4>Come by in.

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<v Speaker 3>Any Saturday morning between nine and eleven, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>you will be pretty as I say, I think anyone

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<v Speaker 3>that comes, they are their eyes will be opened and

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<v Speaker 3>the hard will be touched by what we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you had a great turnout. You had most of

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<v Speaker 2>the politicians who represent the area. I know that Congressman

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<v Speaker 2>Lynch always makes a very generous donation and actually gives

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<v Speaker 2>people an opportunity to have a tour of the capital,

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<v Speaker 2>a legitimate tour of the capital where you're invited in

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<v Speaker 2>and they get I think, get to have lunch with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's an item that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are always very anxious to bid on. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's some artwork there and there's a lot of sports tickets,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a great it's a great event. People. How

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<v Speaker 2>could they You must have a website, I assume where

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<v Speaker 2>people can also get some more information, I hope, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they could. I'd like to see them come

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<v Speaker 3>to the first of all, come to the church. But

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<v Speaker 3>you could call my office uh six one, seven, seven,

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<v Speaker 3>two three four oh oh nine, and I'll give them

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<v Speaker 3>more information on whether they want to contribute the time

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<v Speaker 3>or donate, donate some clothing or some toys, and the

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<v Speaker 3>and the future. But you can call that number and

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<v Speaker 3>just ask for me, and I'll be more than happy

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<v Speaker 3>to give them the information that will bring them, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>directly to the food pantry. But you know I use

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<v Speaker 3>this wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just let me repeat that number one more time, Jim, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>six six seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven to three seven two three four oh oh nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and Rob write that number down in case anyone

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<v Speaker 2>misses it, because it's tough to uh to write numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, you seventeenth annual Saint Patrick's Brunch. What day

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<v Speaker 2>will it fall? And it's always on the Saturday of

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Patrick's Day weekend. I want to make plans to

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<v Speaker 2>be here.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't looked at the caer, but it is the

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<v Speaker 3>Sat before the big Shindy in South Boston, their breakfast,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's always that weekend of the festivities.

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<v Speaker 2>And self, I'll bet you, I'll bet it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be I'll bet it's going to be the fourteenth, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think what happens is days get moved up. This

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<v Speaker 2>was not but so sometime in early March, and what

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<v Speaker 2>we should do next year Jim is, maybe talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it sometime in January as we're coming up to it

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<v Speaker 2>would be great, great to that would be great to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what was accomplished. And a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>was raised, and a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of money, a lot of nice people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the generosity was overwhelming. There are just no

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<v Speaker 3>words too, There were really no words adequate enough to

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<v Speaker 3>just express my deep appreciation. But I'll tell you a

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful example is that we had a gentleman who gave

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<v Speaker 3>us one hundred dollars for the last five years and

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<v Speaker 3>we always appreciated. This year became as a recipient and

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<v Speaker 3>asking for a bag of groceries, which tells me that

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<v Speaker 3>we're only we're only a few steps away ourselves from

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<v Speaker 3>being a donor to a recipient. So uh, it could

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<v Speaker 3>be a health issue in the family, termination of employment.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we don't judge, but it was remarkable how

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<v Speaker 3>it just so quickly it could turn that somebody is

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<v Speaker 3>now saying, look, when I was able to I gave.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm asking if you could give me in the

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<v Speaker 3>some assistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Much going from going from being a donor to a

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<v Speaker 2>to a beneficiary simple as simple as that right, Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Brett is always great to see you on Saturday. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for what you and brother Bill and Harry and your

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<v Speaker 2>sisters do in memory of.

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<v Speaker 3>You and and my bride Patty. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>go as you know, she had a new balanced shoes on.

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<v Speaker 3>She was running all over the.

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<v Speaker 4>Breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Look I've learned over the year without Patty, it doesn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>So trust me on that you want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, what ma'am?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jimmy, talk soon.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, thank you, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. All right, we get back. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about tales for the Trails if you're up in

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<v Speaker 2>Essex County. I think there's some exercise involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>next one. And then we're going to talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later on with a book author called Law at

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<v Speaker 2>the Movies. I'm looking to be really interested in that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're going to talk with someone about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that tipping tipping is getting out of control in

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<v Speaker 2>many respects. So those would be the three other topics

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about between now and nine. And we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into the issue of the White Stadium lawsuit that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's some very strong feelings on both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>this case, and we'll talk to people represented on both sides,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll talk about the deportations that went on

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. And I think it's I think that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting issue that we're going to get into pretty deeply.

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<v Speaker 2>After ten o'clock back on night Side. My name is

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray. No phone calls yet, but we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>you right after the nine on that stay with us

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<v Speaker 2>back after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Spring is right around the corner. Sat Patrick's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend is ending in a couple of hours, and for

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<v Speaker 2>me that is always the marker that winter is over

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<v Speaker 2>and spring is here. The Essex County Trail Association's tail

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<v Speaker 2>for the trails five K casual can Across coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on March twenty ninth. Talking with Martha Sanders. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the chair of the Board of Directors for the Essex

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, I'm fine, Thank you, thanks so much for having

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<v Speaker 5>me on. Yes, you're correct, Candi. The candy part is

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<v Speaker 5>with a person and a dog who are attached.

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<v Speaker 2>Really really, now, how many years have you? Is this

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<v Speaker 5>Heard of it. It is fairly new. It's new to

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<v Speaker 5>from Saturday, and so it's a fairly new event. We're

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<v Speaker 5>and we do lots of trail events. This is fairly

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<v Speaker 5>when it is in Medfield possibly, but it's more of

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<v Speaker 5>a dog walk and can across. A few choose to

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<v Speaker 2>I have never heard of this before. Okay, I have

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of anything like this before. When you think

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<v Speaker 2>Now five K is going to be about three point

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<v Speaker 2>are these trails wooded trails where there's you know tree,

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<v Speaker 2>you know trees, roots of trees or is this a

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, well, this is one of our challenges

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<v Speaker 5>for it, because there are two things you need. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>diverse terrain is always preferable, but you need to start

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<v Speaker 5>in a big open field because when you have fifty

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<v Speaker 5>and then within a few minutes the field of runners

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<v Speaker 5>the fields, they're going to be in the woods and

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<v Speaker 5>then it's single track for part of it, and their

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<v Speaker 5>hills their roots there. So it's it's it's somewhat challenging,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not terribly difficult, but the main challenge is getting

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<v Speaker 5>in sync with your dog to do it. Because you've

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<v Speaker 5>got a waste belt. You have a bungee cord, so

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<v Speaker 5>and then it's attached to a dog with a running harness.

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<v Speaker 5>And a running harness is one where they it's clipped.

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<v Speaker 5>The contact point is to are there back in and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me ask you. I'm really fascinated. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this your group Tails for the Trails? Is there a

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<v Speaker 2>charity that benefits from this or is this really.

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<v Speaker 3>Or is this fantastically an.

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<v Speaker 2>Event that that has been put together which pays for itself.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there are prices or not. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>probably asking more questions than I have a right to,

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<v Speaker 2>but I try to anticipate the questions that that people

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<v Speaker 2>would be it because I know there are people right

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<v Speaker 2>now who are listening. I've never heard of this and

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<v Speaker 2>want to participate. We will give your website at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the interview. But this is not a benefit

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, homeless dogs or anything like that. This

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<v Speaker 2>is this is an event period, correct.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an it benefits Essex County Trail Association. That's our organization,

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<v Speaker 5>and we protect and maintain hundreds of miles of trails

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<v Speaker 5>in Essex County, just in six towns. So we have

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<v Speaker 5>these events. We have trail runs and other events over

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<v Speaker 5>the course of the year to you know, boost awareness

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<v Speaker 5>of the trails, to engage with our trail users, and

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<v Speaker 5>also to raise money to pay for very expensive trail

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<v Speaker 5>maintenance and trail projects.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we do, okay, okay, So there is

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<v Speaker 2>there is a purpose above and beyond just getting out

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<v Speaker 2>and running three point one miles with few other people

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<v Speaker 2>and your dog. So I get that. Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>So as I understand it, by the way, is the

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<v Speaker 2>prize bragging rights at the end? I see that you

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<v Speaker 2>have top three finishes in different divisions. What if the

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<v Speaker 2>prize is great, If it's just for bragging rights, that's

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<v Speaker 2>okay too.

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<v Speaker 5>We do give up prizes, you know, there are no

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<v Speaker 5>trophies or anything like that. So this gift certificates and

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes it's gear. It's it's candycross gear and so it's both.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's are there are.

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<v Speaker 2>There a lot of let me, are there a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people up in Essex County who get their exercise

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<v Speaker 2>and get there. I mean, I see a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people walking dogs where I live, you know, on a

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday afternoon or Saturday morning, walking their dog. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't now Again, maybe it's happening and I'm just not

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the trails. Is this something that you folks

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<v Speaker 2>have developed here or is it something that become more

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<v Speaker 2>common around the state.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's quite popular in northern Europe and it began

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<v Speaker 5>as a way to exercise sled dogs off season. So

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<v Speaker 5>you because you it's it's very similar to that. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're your dog is pulling, but the differences you're running.

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<v Speaker 5>But the people who do this a lot use voice

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<v Speaker 5>commands similar to what you would use with sled dog.

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<v Speaker 5>With sled dogs, you you have certain commands to go left,

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<v Speaker 5>to go ride or slow down, our speed up. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's it. But it hasn't really taken off here because

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<v Speaker 5>it is sort of I think people now.

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<v Speaker 2>Spend on night side. Come on, come on, now that

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<v Speaker 2>it's spend on night shide, are you going to be overwhelmed?

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<v Speaker 2>Give me the website. So if anybody by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the event is on March twenty ninth. Yes, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is a Saturday or Sunday. I got to look at

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<v Speaker 2>my calendar here.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a week from Saturday week for Saturday. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>Pipe Stave Hill in West Newbury Pipe Stave Hill Recreation Area.

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<v Speaker 5>It's on Route one thirteen. We have a dog rescue

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<v Speaker 5>coming with adoptable puppies to do a meet and greet.

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<v Speaker 5>It is definitely something that spectators can at least watch

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<v Speaker 5>the start and finish off because we are on this

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<v Speaker 5>We start on this ball field and it's pretty entertaining.

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<v Speaker 5>We had sixty people last year. We're on track to

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<v Speaker 5>have the same number number this here. All different types

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<v Speaker 5>of dogs, all different types and ages of people, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's really hilarious. The dogs in the beginning all start barking.

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<v Speaker 5>We actually had to get a megaphone for this event

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<v Speaker 5>because people couldn't hear our trail instructions because the dogs

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<v Speaker 5>all start barking and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting a little tight on time here. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>probably used some of my question too many questions here,

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<v Speaker 2>But Martha, is there a website we can send people to.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's ecta online dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Ec let me spill. Ea do I do this professionally,

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<v Speaker 2>so help let me help you. Okay, ECTA, you go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead. It's e C t A and what is

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<v Speaker 2>after that?

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<v Speaker 5>Online? Yeah, line online dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect, and it's twenty five dollars for ECTA members, thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five for non members. ECTA online dot org. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>you the best of luck. It should be a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun for dog owners, and I hope everybody has

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<v Speaker 2>a very safe and healthy run. Tales for the trails.

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<v Speaker 2>This should be a lot of fun. Saturday, March twenty ninth, ECTA.

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<v Speaker 3>On LinkedIn dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>We thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do it again. Thank you much. Talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Nicole, as we move into our

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<v Speaker 2>third guest tonight, which I think is going to be interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>Dr Stanley Fish, Doctor Fish, how are you, sir? Welcome

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<v Speaker 6>Well I'm fine, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome. So you have a new book out.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a professor. You're a law professor at the Florida

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<v Speaker 6>Well, uh, I have a war I have a new

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. I'm a lawyer here in Boston, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>always nice to meet a law professor. The book that

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm looking at the cover. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know that and Reversal of Fortune was one

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<v Speaker 6>the list because matters of legal doctrine are very much

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, Yes, that was the for those who

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<v Speaker 2>and I had my I m dB. Uh I'm listed

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<v Speaker 2>in the International Movie Database as a consequence of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, well tell us I envy you.

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<v Speaker 6>I envy you.

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<v Speaker 2>That Uh no, not not a problem at all. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there was really it was. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun. And well, tell us give us an

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<v Speaker 2>example of a couple of the lessons that people will

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<v Speaker 2>learn from reading the book. Many people will have seen

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<v Speaker 2>the movies, and many of them maybe we'll go back

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<v Speaker 2>and rewatch the movies as well as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>being the book.

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<v Speaker 6>What I'm interested in are movies that don't simply refer

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<v Speaker 6>to legal doctrine along the way, but grow out of

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<v Speaker 6>legal doctrine, so both the plot and the characters depend

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<v Speaker 6>on legal doctrine. One example might be the crucible, where

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<v Speaker 6>the issue is what kind of evidence is authoritative and

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<v Speaker 6>could be the basis of convicting someone, either evidence in

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<v Speaker 6>the usual run of law courts or evidence that comes

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<v Speaker 6>from supposedly spiritual witnessing. So that's one movie that's about evidence.

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<v Speaker 6>That another anatomy of a is I think a movie

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<v Speaker 6>about the craft of law. And what we watch when

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<v Speaker 6>we look at anatomy of a movie our lawyers telling

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<v Speaker 6>us how it is that they first choose to take

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<v Speaker 6>a client and then find a way of defending the client,

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<v Speaker 6>and then present the client's defense in court. So I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not interested in movies that have a law theme, like

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<v Speaker 6>To Kill a mocking Bird, which of course also occurs

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<v Speaker 6>in the courtroom. But that's a movie about race. My

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<v Speaker 6>law movies are about law and the way it works.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds fascinating. Has this book just come out?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, it looks to.

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<v Speaker 6>Me like a five months ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is a new book that what what's

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<v Speaker 2>what sort of law do you teach in school? You

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<v Speaker 2>a criminal, criminal justice, lawyer or constitution?

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<v Speaker 6>Now I teach constitutional law. I have a juris student's

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<v Speaker 6>Chase book, and I also teach First Amendment law, and

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<v Speaker 6>I teach religion in the law. Those are my main topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, those are great subjects. Those subjects will never and

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<v Speaker 2>we deal with a lot of legal issues here on

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<v Speaker 2>Night Side. And when I worked as a television reporter

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<v Speaker 2>for CBS here in Boston, spent many years, about fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get four men out of prison who had

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<v Speaker 2>been wrongfully and intentionally incarcerated by a corrupt member of

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Winter's Protection Program, actually the first member, the

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<v Speaker 2>first member Federal Witness Protection program, along with some corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>FBI agents. They did quite a job on putting some

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<v Speaker 2>people away who were not angels, but they had never

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<v Speaker 2>committed the crime for which they were tried and died

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<v Speaker 2>and tried and convicted. And it took us. I worked

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<v Speaker 2>with a lawyer who for many years had worked fruitlessly

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<v Speaker 2>on behalf of the I would say, the most innocent

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<v Speaker 2>of all the clients, who had no significant criminal record

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<v Speaker 2>at all, but he had borrowed some money from this

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<v Speaker 2>guy who eventually became the prototype for the Federwids Protection program.

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<v Speaker 2>And my last day on television, they were awarded one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and one million dollars two of them who were

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<v Speaker 2>still alive, one is still alive, and two who died

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. Basically about a million dollars every year in

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<v Speaker 2>prison any of them spent. So the longer you're in,

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<v Speaker 2>the more money you got. They eventually got everything they

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<v Speaker 2>actually got with interest in all of that during the appeals,

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<v Speaker 2>all the one hundred and sixteen million dollars, And it

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<v Speaker 2>was Elena came last decision as Solicitor General not to

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<v Speaker 2>seek cert and that was about a week or so

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<v Speaker 2>before she was nominated in twenty ten to the US

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court by President Obama.

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<v Speaker 6>As a native, as a native of Providence, Rhode Island,

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<v Speaker 6>I can readily believe that there is corruption in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, he of course think this corruption, this corruption everywhere, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>but the corruption here was amongst FBI agents who had

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<v Speaker 2>badges and guns and used that authority to put innocent

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<v Speaker 2>people in prison. So how long did it take you

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<v Speaker 2>to write this book and how long did you settle

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<v Speaker 2>on the movies? Did you get like a whole big

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<v Speaker 2>list of movies or did you know right from the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning what movies you wanted to highlight?

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<v Speaker 6>A couple of years to write the book, some of

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<v Speaker 6>the movies just in fact present themselves, because you have

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<v Speaker 6>to write about twelve angry men when you're doing a

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<v Speaker 6>book like this, And also Anatomy of a murder, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think also Judgment at Nuremberg, which plays out the

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<v Speaker 6>very old debate between natural law and man made law

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<v Speaker 6>in a way that very very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, having visited Nuremberg, I guess it was about seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eight years ago. It's amazing to look at that

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<v Speaker 2>building where the trials were held. I'm sure that you

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<v Speaker 2>probably had been there and realized what horrific history was

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<v Speaker 2>uh was made that that eventuated in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>trials and the convictions of so many of those German

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<v Speaker 2>German leaders. So the book, I assume you can get

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<v Speaker 2>it through Amazon, uh and uh at bookstores as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's simply called Law at the Movies, Turning Legal Doctrine

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<v Speaker 2>into Art by Stanley Fish uh And I hope a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of our listeners, we have a lot of lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>who listen that they're gonna they're gonna get a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of this book and get it from Amazon or is

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<v Speaker 2>there a direct can they get it from your web?

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<v Speaker 2>Some some authors have a website where people can order

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<v Speaker 2>it from the website.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never mastered the art of website, so I don't

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<v Speaker 6>have that.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have someone do it for you, because what

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<v Speaker 2>can happen is it can help you because people love

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<v Speaker 2>to get books inscribed by authors, and some authors have

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<v Speaker 2>told me that that actually is interesting because people can

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<v Speaker 2>can order the book and get the author to inscribe it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think some people feel a little closer to

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<v Speaker 2>the to the book, as they say, if you get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to watch Reversal of Fortune, you'll see me

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<v Speaker 2>go by in about thirty seconds on the screen. Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>Close was spectacular. Jeremy Irons won the Oscar that year

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<v Speaker 2>for the Leader Male Actor, and we've not been able

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<v Speaker 2>to work. Friends of mine joke with me and they'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when are you going to do another movie?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, you know, Glenn Close and Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>Irons and I just keep reading scripts and we can't agree.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a joke. So you understand. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very It was it was a look

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<v Speaker 2>break for me to have my one and only appearance

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<v Speaker 2>on the big screen.

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<v Speaker 6>Well I'm waiting. I'm waiting for my big closs up.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry it'll happens to all of us, Professor Fish,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Fish really enjoyed our conversation, looking forward to reading it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will. We will talk again.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope it's so Thank you so much. I have

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<v Speaker 6>a new book on film walk that I'm writing now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when that comes out, give us a call and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get you back on.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, it's a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, okay, Professor doctor Stanley Fish, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back here on Night Side, we will

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<v Speaker 2>wrap it up. We're going to talk about tipping. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think a lot of people have opinions on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but the opinion that will count tonight will be the

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<v Speaker 2>opinion of my guest who join us right after this

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<v Speaker 2>quick break, Scott Barradell, Branding and Consuming consumer trends expert,

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<v Speaker 2>about whether or not tipping is getting out of hand

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<v Speaker 2>or out of control. Back on nights Side right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I think all of us have noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>the way in which people are asked to tip has

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<v Speaker 2>changed a lot in the last few years. With us

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<v Speaker 2>is Scott baradel He's a branding and consumer trends expert

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<v Speaker 2>with the Idea Grove and love to get your take

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<v Speaker 2>on all of this. I guess ninety percent of Americans

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<v Speaker 2>think tipping's a little getting out of hand. As it were,

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<v Speaker 2>good after good evening, Scott.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you good? How are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Great? Tell us about your your findings.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this is a survey by a company called wallet

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<v Speaker 4>Hub with those personal finance app and yeah, come at

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<v Speaker 4>night with that night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with wallet hub. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well of the people in the survey are not

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<v Speaker 4>happy with how tipping has expanded to where it's basically

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere you go out from from uh you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>coffee chop to self serve kiosks, I mean, take your pick.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't escape it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's it's I think that. Look when people

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<v Speaker 2>go to a restaurant and there's a waiter, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>waitress coming by and filling your water, taking your order,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sending something back that might not be done

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<v Speaker 2>to your to your liking and all of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a service there. But when you simply order

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<v Speaker 2>a cup of coffee and donut, even though the people

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<v Speaker 2>behind the country, you know that they're not being paid

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. Every once in a while, I

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say every once in a while, probably most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time I do leave a tip, but there's still

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<v Speaker 2>something about it that it's it's very different from what

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<v Speaker 2>you would leave. You're feeling for a waiter or a waitress,

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<v Speaker 2>uh or or someone who gives you a haircut, and

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who just basically, you know, hands you a

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<v Speaker 2>donut and you go down and you pick up your

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<v Speaker 2>coffee at the end of the counter. But the golden

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<v Speaker 2>goose is going to be killed here, I think, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not mistaken, what's your thought on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think you're absolutely right. I mean to go

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<v Speaker 4>back to the history of tipping the United States that

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<v Speaker 4>started in the last half of the nineteenth century. It

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<v Speaker 4>used to be something wealthier people did for service workers,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, porters on train cars and so forth. And

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<v Speaker 4>now it's kind of gravitated to where it became mainly

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<v Speaker 4>for wait staff at restaurants and you know, concierge at

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<v Speaker 4>the hotel, people that did your hair. And it used

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<v Speaker 4>to be for you know, a reward for a really

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<v Speaker 4>good service. Now, of course, what it's come become in

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<v Speaker 4>more recent years is kind of obligatory, Like you're a

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<v Speaker 4>jerk if you don't give someone the twenty percent tip,

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<v Speaker 4>even if they didn't give you great service. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>because we all know that they account for the expected

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<v Speaker 4>tips when they give these waiters and waitresses, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>such wages, and so we all know that and we've

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<v Speaker 4>come to expect Oh well, I guess we just have

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<v Speaker 4>to leave that tip. Well, what happened in twenty eighteen is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and some of these gaps came around and

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, you're paying through your through an

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<v Speaker 4>iPad at a lot of places, and they could pre

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<v Speaker 4>set it to put these tip options up there so

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<v Speaker 4>you could without saying a word saying, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>these places that might have had a tip chart that

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<v Speaker 4>might have gotten a few bucks during the day. They're

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<v Speaker 4>sticking this in your face. The person who's who's surfing

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<v Speaker 4>is saying, you know, here's a decision for you to make,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like, you want to leave a twenty percent tip,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five or other, and then if you put the other,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you kind of go to the other screen

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<v Speaker 4>where they're seeing a punch a bunch of buttons and

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<v Speaker 4>they're like oh, jerk, you didn't leave me a tip.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, So let me ask you this, how did

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<v Speaker 2>that come to be? I mean, I've seen it obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's even for example, you go into a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on vacation and you go into a fish market

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<v Speaker 2>and you buy you know, you know, some shrimp and

639
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<v Speaker 2>you buy this, and you're having a cookout for some people,

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<v Speaker 2>and you could easily spend one hundred bucks, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>really no service. It's like, you know, putting some shrimp

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<v Speaker 2>in a bag, take and the and the tip would

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, ten percent, that's ten bucks. Twenty percent

644
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<v Speaker 2>is twenty bucks. That's a huge tip for like a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty second interaction.

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<v Speaker 4>No kidding. Well, I'll tell you. I took my two

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<v Speaker 4>boys to get a haircut at one of these you

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<v Speaker 4>know haircut places that are just for kids. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and I the hair the person cuts their hair. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>does a fine job. You cut two boys hair, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And I go to the counter and she says, here's

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<v Speaker 4>the options. It said twenty five, thirty or fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are my choices. So if I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>leave at least a twenty five percent tip on these

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<v Speaker 4>two haircuts, I feel like I'm cheap. That's what they're

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<v Speaker 4>wanting to do. But how it all started, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it really all started with just an easier way to

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<v Speaker 4>pay by credit card. But then it was so easy,

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<v Speaker 4>it was so easy to add this tip option. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a business. So what do you got to lose?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're thinking, oh, maybe my you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>can I don't have to pay my people as much

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<v Speaker 4>because they'll be tipped. They'll get some portion of their

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<v Speaker 4>compensation in tips that they didn't get before this all.

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<v Speaker 2>Really even though, yeah, here's a dirty little secret. The

666
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<v Speaker 2>durty little secret is that waiters and waitresses would much

667
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<v Speaker 2>prefer pictures of dead presidents. Then they would tip, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on the end of a credit card bill. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>what I'll do is I'll pay with the credit card

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<v Speaker 2>and then tip with cash. And I think that they

671
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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that more because it's not showing up anywhere. I

672
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<v Speaker 2>had a situation, oh maybe a month ago, went into

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<v Speaker 2>kind of one of these fancy schmancy ice cream places.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife and I took our grandson in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>like two ice cream cones and they weren't even they

676
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<v Speaker 2>were small scoops in a dish or something like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen fifty. So I went and heard a woman twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, oh, we don't take cash. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>had that home before. We don't take cash. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean you don't? She says, don't you

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<v Speaker 2>have a credit card? He say, sure, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>credit card, but i'd liked I was going to give

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<v Speaker 2>her the twenty and just you know, be all said

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<v Speaker 2>with it, she gets a three dollars and fifty cent tip.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, well, why don't you take your credit card

686
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<v Speaker 2>over there and you can get some cash out of

687
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<v Speaker 2>our machine. So they hit an ATM there. I said,

688
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<v Speaker 2>what's the what's the benefit of that, and she said, well,

689
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<v Speaker 2>it's clean, and she gave me some line which I

690
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<v Speaker 2>thought was ridiculous. It's clean, it's clean, clean cash whatever. Yeah,

691
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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you the truth, okay, So anyway, you put

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<v Speaker 2>this in your next book. So I took my credit

693
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<v Speaker 2>card out and paid the sixteen to fifty with the

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<v Speaker 2>credit card, and of course the tip thing was there.

695
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<v Speaker 2>I put zero. Then I took a couple of bucks

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<v Speaker 2>out of my pocket. I said, now do you accept cash? Oh? Yes, cleaner, dirty, cleaner, dirty, so.

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<v Speaker 4>It really happened here. What really happened here is you know,

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<v Speaker 4>even though this all started in twy eighteen, twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 4>it really took off during and through COVID because I

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<v Speaker 4>think we all felt a lot of sympathy and really

701
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<v Speaker 4>relate to these people. A lot of people lost their jobs,

702
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<v Speaker 4>restaurants were closing down and so forth, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 4>people are starting to come back. You know, there were

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<v Speaker 4>worries about their health and so forth. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>all during that time and it was hard to staff

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<v Speaker 4>restaurants and places like that. So I think during this time,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, people wanted to be generous to them. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's been a while now and so people are kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like enough enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I'll tell you I'm kind of in that category

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Look, I appreciate it very much. Scott. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been a great guest. Let's keep in touch. Love to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on on a more regular basis. You brought

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<v Speaker 2>your a game tonight. Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, thank you, take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Scott. Scott Barredelle branding and sumer trends expert

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<v Speaker 2>with the idea of growth. Thanks Scott. All right, I

718
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<v Speaker 2>think he's gone and we will be gone too, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to step aside, so we get your newscast

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<v Speaker 2>and we come back and the other side, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about developments on the white stadium controversy. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>have points of view on both sides, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>a quick interview with a reporter from the Boston Herald

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<v Speaker 2>coming back on nightside.
