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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host,

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DJ Leaves Yes, Indeed, we get ready for a Friday

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night Most Valuable Promotions NETFLIX Heavyweight main event. Jake Paul

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is back and you better believe it. Anthony Joshua is

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the opponent coming in Miami, Florida. We're ready to preview

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that and the other fights on that card. We've got

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some recaps from midweek championship fights in Japan. Tim Zoo

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also returned successfully in Australia. We're ready to go over that.

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Some fight news. Oh. By the way, Terrence Crawford says

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I'm retired. We gotta go over that as well. It

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is the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the somewhat

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capable host. TJ Reeves Ho ho ho Dan Rayphiel Oh

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Holiday season, Happy Hanuka of those that celebrate Christmas coming

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best of us for the rest of us, and anything

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holiday season. We have had Big Dan some tremendous content,

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if we do say so, ourselves in the preview and

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recap mode. But we've even had special content this week

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previewing this Anthony Joshua Jake Paul fight from different perspectives.

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You heard from Ricky Carroll and David Payne who are

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over in England and in Europe talking about the fight

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from their perspective. Earlier in the week on the pod feed,

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Christina Poncher joined us. Kudos to Dan with the assist

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of getting Christina and she and I'm saying again publicly,

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she was a pros pro to work with me and

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make that interview happen in a crazy week where she's

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doing her stuff for Netflix. Please go back and listen

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to that on the pod feed as well. We appreciate

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it as we go in the preview mode. So we've

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built this up, talked this up and given you a

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lot of coverage. So big Dan, welcome in. You and

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I are doing this Thursday as we head into Friday

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morning and the fight night is Friday night. It's here.

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What are your am meeting thoughts here? Is we're about

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to see this. I keep joking with you, whatever this is,

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we're about to see it on Friday night.

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Speaker 3: Listen, you keep saying that it's it's it's a mismatch

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boxing match, but that's that's we've seen those before. It

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just so happens that these guys have bigger names than most,

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so they're gonna get in there. They're gonna do their fight.

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It's an eight round heavyweight fight. They weighed in on Thursday. Joshua,

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to no surprise, was two forty three and change. Obviously

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they had that limit of two forty five, which is

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really not any big deal. Jake Paul comes in at

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two sixteen and change, a bit heavier than normal because

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he's fighting generally as a cruiser weight. He did fight

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in the two twenties when he headed when he had

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to fight last year against Mike Tyson. Uh So, the

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fact that they're separated by like close to thirty pounds

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not at all a surprise. Frankly, they can be separated

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by two pounds, one pound, jac and way more. It

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wouldn't make a difference in my opinion. We're gonna see

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a spectacle. We're gonna see. Uh The reason why people

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are gonna watch this, probably on Netflix, is because it's

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the same us why you would watch a car crash,

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why you would watch sometimes an auto race. Why you

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would watch anything where there's the possibility of something extremely

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violent occurring.

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Speaker 2: When Evil Knievel was on Wide World of Sports for

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you and me back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Jumping over a better chance that he was.

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Speaker 2: Going to get seriously injured than actually make the jump.

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Speaker 3: Going over the Snake River Canyon that Bob Aaron promoted.

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So yeah, that's listen. I've said it ever since this

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fight was made. I give credit to Jake Paul for

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having the balls to do the fight. He may have

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different thoughts when it's over. As far as Anthony Joshua

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was participation, I can understand why you would take this.

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As we've discussed, he was getting ready to fight Cassius

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Cheney in a low key fight that was going to

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be snuck in under the cover of night, basically to

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stick him on the undercard in Saudi Arabia on the

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night that David Benavidi's headlined against Anthony Yar, just to

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get him back in the ring after a fourteen month layoff,

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a very bad knockout loss of Daniel du Wi subsequent

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elbow surgery, to for what is supposed to be a

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very big twenty twenty six that will include a tune

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up fight of some kind and then presumably the big

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mega showdown that the world has waited for leers for

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against Tyson Fury. But when he got the opportunity to

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scrap that fight in Saudi and go and do a

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fight against probably Frankly, an even easier opponent than Cash

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as Shaney, because Cash is at least incredible heavyweight, if

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not even if he's not a top contender, a world

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championship material and by the way, make multiples of millions

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more to fight Jake Paul.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is like, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I remember when Floyd was at Floyd Mayweather was

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at the end of his career and he would take

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certain fights. He forget which fight he was. I think

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it might it might have been the Connenbergregor fight where

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he came in wearing a ski mask because it was

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a heist, it was a robbery. He was getting paid

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crazy money for easy work. And I feel like this

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is the same thing for Anthony Joshua against Jake Bualth.

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Anthony Joshua has anything left in that engine at all.

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And yes, I know he come off a bad knockout

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against a Wow, but that doesn't mean.

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Speaker 1: His career is over. He's a massive man.

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Speaker 3: He's got the thirty pounds or so weight, He's gonna

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have about five six inches in height. He's got a

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jillion more abilities in the ring than Jake Paul does.

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He's a two time unified heavyweight world champ. He's an

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Olympic gold medalist. This is a real boxer. This is

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a real guy compared to the fighters that Jake as

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fot because, as we've discussed, hej a thousand times. Yeah,

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you can say, oh I beat Mike Tyson, I'd be whold.

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He was Caesar A Chavez junior, and that's fine. But

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they were name only type fights, right. Tyson was nineteen

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years out of retirement at fifty eight years old. Of

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the litany of physical issues Chavez had been in like

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alcohol or drug rehab, ten years past his prime, forty

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pounds over his best weight, just a name and he

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won those fights easily. Dude, Anthony Joshua a different kettle

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of fish absol.

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Speaker 2: All right, So you and I have already spent some

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time on the bet Us show going over this. We

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are of the same belief that this is a knockout.

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I think it might take a little longer, A little

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longer than what, A little longer than you do? You

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you thought under two and a half rounds. I thought

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maybe into the middle of the third round, or certainly beyond,

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certainly if this thing gets to a fourth or a

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fifth round. This is where I'm headed to this. I

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don't remember a fight in recent history, and you're the

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great resource to go to where there's been so much

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conversation of is there some kind of agreement that this

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thing lasts a few rounds? And it even came up

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in the press conference. Obviously you expected that it would

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about you know, what happens if we get to a

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fifth or sixth round. I think a lot of people

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dubious is the word I'll use. People at that point

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will be dubious that maybe something isn't going on here,

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that Joshua was not trying to finish off a guy

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that should be a smaller guy, that should be an

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easy guy.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean just a smaller guy, a smaller guy

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that can't experience, yeah, in terms of skills or experienced

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or anything like that. So if I've said this sip

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the fights on the up and up, and I alix

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I I've seen a lot of stuff on my day

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in cover and boxing, But I do believe it's on

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the up and up, because if you're Anthony Joshua, you

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have such enormous business riding on this next year in

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terms of the Joshua fight against Fury as well as

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whatever he may do in the early part of next year.

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So he's supposed to be back in like February time frame.

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So you don't want to hang around and put yourself

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through too much when you're gonna be getting ready for

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another fight, and you want to make sure that the

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theory fight is as big as possible.

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Speaker 2: And as preposterous as this sounds. You and I, I

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think are in agreement on this. I'll speak for me

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and then you can answer it. The only intrigue of

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Jake Paul is a lucky punch, and so the longer

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that you let the fight go on, if you're letting

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the fight go on, you're risking a lucky punch could

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potentially hit you and hurt you fair. That's the only

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intrigue from Jack's.

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Speaker 3: Unless unless and Joshua, you know, is able to beat

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him up a little bit but just can't quite get

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him out of there quick and Jake is maybe a

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little bit damaged, and you know, is not is more

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defensive mind that, and can't really throw back and just

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sort of takes a beating for a little while. But again,

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if this thing does get into that later part of

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the fight, remember it's only an eight rounder. I mean,

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I think Joshua was spending his entire career going twelve

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rounds for the most part. I mean he has He

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did have a ten round schedule fight when he fought

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Frances Naganu, but that was a quick ko in the

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second round. But that was obviously because Naganda was not

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an experienced boxer. But if you go back and look

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at Anthony Joshua's career other than that Naganu fight that

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took place, which was the quick knockoutler obviously special circumstances

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and not being a real fighter as far as boxing goes,

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it's certainly an mma. Anthony Joshua had not had a

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ten round schedule fight since his prospect days when he

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stopped a fighter named Kevin Johnson in the second round

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in twenty fifteen, so a full decade ago, and all

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the longer because that's.

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Speaker 2: Much much less an eight round fight. This is an

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eight round fight, not round fight.

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Speaker 3: His previous fight before the Kevin Johnson fight, which was

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earlier in twenty fifteen, was an eight round schedule fight

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against the legendary raphael A Zombano and turn him in

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to the stars who fought everybody so he could do

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twelve rounds in a sleep.

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's anything else strike you from the press conference

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or any of this. They did do the weigh ins,

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as you mentioned. As we go to the build up

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now for Friday night, anything else strike you? Before this beginning.

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Speaker 3: Little jovial like they were joking around, which I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't that lends to what some people are saying.

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Something else is going on here.

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Speaker 1: And I like the I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I mean, there's a fine line. I

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like when guys show sportsmanship. I like when guys you know,

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don't get into fistfights that weigh ins and nonsense like that.

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But you know, I also expect there to be you know,

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if you want to call each other some names and

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make some threats and threat and knock out it, I

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know you want to gully bump a little bit. I mean,

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you want there to be some kind of tension, like

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Speaker 1: I get it. So you know, I don't know. I

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don't like that.

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Speaker 2: Give me your thought. I take that as they've already

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won because the public we've bought in figuratively I'm talking

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about we've bought in. They are making tens of millions

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of dollars. What happens, whatever happen, they've already won. Jake

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Paul has already won. He's gotten himself into a main

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event in Miami with the former unified heavyweight champion without

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having to fight any contender at heavyweight or establish himself

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against anybody. So he's won in the air quotes. He's

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with it in the publicity sense and in the financial sense.

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And I think that's why you see I will cup

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the jovial stuff.

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Speaker 3: I will quote the great philosopher Floyd Mayweather. Yeah, who

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once told me years and years ago, and I asked

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him about the prospect of I don't remember what fight

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it was, but the prospect of a lost in one

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of his big megafights, and he looked at me dead

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in the eye and he said something to the effect of,

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you know what, when you're making this much money.

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Speaker 1: There ain't no losers. Yeah, that's sort of the thing.

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Speaker 3: These guys are making like in the thirty million dollar

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plus range for this fight.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean.

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Speaker 3: And the good thing for us in the public is

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we'll see the fight if we choose to watch it,

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and it doesn't cost anything beyond your normal subscription. So

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it is not pay per view, because I have to say,

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still do it's business just because of the freak show

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, let's say this, this is the truth. Jake

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sellout arenas everywhere that he's been fighting. All right, and

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this is fair for some segment of the fight fan,

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combat sports fan, or people that are looking for entertainment.

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and haven't been watching him and don't really know who

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Speaker 1: Hardcoreican in America.

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least energized interest in a heavyweight fight, even if Jake

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is a complete novice, like what David Payin and Ricky

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terms of accomplishment and experience. He's still done. Credit to

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him an amazing job of creating interest in the heavyweight

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landscape in the United States, if only for one night,

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and if only if Joshua was not gonna wipe him out.

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if Joshua loses. I remember the last time he came

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to acknowledge it is a possibility that Jake Paul hits

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him and suddenly he's tentative, and suddenly he's not aggressive,

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and then what happens or what if he catches him

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clean coming in. That's where we'll move on here in

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a second. But you and I have been going over this.

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that Anthony Joshua will cautiously approach the beginning of the fight,

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or will Anthony Joshua will come right towards him within

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the first minute, if not the first thirty seconds, And say,

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prove to me that you can keep me away from you.

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Speaker 1: Show me that. What do you think I think he

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goes for it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's going to be reckless, like you

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know Hackler, hearns, but I'm saying he's not gonna lay

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back and feel him out. And j Game's a jet

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if he's if he's being on the up and up

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about it. When he spoke at the press converence and

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my in my big notebook that's on my substack, or

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that the subscribers got in the newsletter today. He talked

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about people who don't like that he's taking this fight

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because like he's lending his you know, his name, or

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his popularity or his credibility, his accomplishments to a fighter

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like Jake Paul that's not done anything as a boxer

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other than you know, make a lot of noise and

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not fight anybody. So his his thing was, you know,

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I know that I have to carry boxing on my

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back with this fight. And if that's his mentality, that

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I have to carry boxing on my back with this fight.

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in the first round. That means going in there and

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getting rid of a guy who a lot of people

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think is an interloper, who doesn't belong and in this

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man's you know, party, to get rid of him quickly.

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Speaker 2: Especially in this situation. All right, so we've said a bunch,

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they'll have the fight. This is the first mention. We

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will be on you and I in the aftermath of

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the main event from Miami when it is over, when

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the Netflix broadcast is over on our YouTube page exclusively

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talk about, but mainly whatever happens with this Anthony Joshua

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Jake Paul fight. And by the way, you did you

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did pose it, so I will I will just simply

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follow up here one more time that if somehow Anthony

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and we never get to I mean, what's the There's

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no value to a Tyson Fury fight at that point

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if you've lost to Jake Paul after being knocked out

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by Duboi. But I think that is so remote that

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it might as well be on the moon. As I

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I don't see it happening. It may take a little while,

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but there you go. But anyway, you and I look

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on for a little bit recapping this fight, because let's

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be honest, if you're listening to this podcast right now,

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you're intrigued by what's gonna happen, and none of us

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really know what's gonna happen, and we're gonna be ready

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to talk about it with whatever happens fair, Yes, agreed,

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I think so, all right. Rest of the card, Alicia

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Junior lightweight champion. We don't know a lot about the

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French Canadian opponent, Leila Bowden. That's the second best fight,

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but it's more about what bomb Gardner might have if

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she is impressive after this fight. But go ahead and

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give me a little bit on that in the preview month.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's the undisputed, She was the undisputed champion in

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her weight class. She gave up the WBC title much

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in the same manner that Amanda Serrano vacated the featherweight

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title of the WBC because she was undisputed I should

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say at featherweight, and the reason was because the WBC

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will not approve or sanctioned women's boxing matches to be

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anything other than ten rounds and two minute rounds. Serrano

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has long advocated for three minute rounds, and Alicia Bomgarner

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wanted to do the same thing. So not only did

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she vacate the title to make this fight with go

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to win a fight in which the rounds are three

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minutes long, they're actually doing twelve rounds for a female

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boxing title fight. So obviously the commission in Florida signed

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off on that, the opponent had to sign off on that,

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otherwise she wouldn't have gotten the fight. So there's that

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element of it. This is a women's fight that not

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only is going to be three minute rounds, but also

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twelve round saying merles apply as will for the men

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in general terms, and so she's out, I guess prove

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similar concept to what Serrano says, that the women are

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perfectly capable of doing the same kinds of things in

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the ring that the men do. But like you mentioned,

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if she wins the fight and her opponent and Bedowin

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is not, you know, she's not maybe the most known fighter.

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she only has two knockouts, so the power is not

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so much there and she doesn't really have a lot

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of accomplishment. She was only fighting, you know, much lesser

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type opponents. She did step up and fight a woman

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named Elon mccalin, who was in a common opponent that

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Alicia fought also, who was I guess within boxing circles,

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and you know, a pretty known fighter out of France

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who fought Alicia and lost a ten round decision tour

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in twenty twenty three, also in a challenging for the

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world title and listen at the end of the day MVP.

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Although Jake Paul obviously is their big name fighter that

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they that they have, he's not, you know, the co

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owner of the company. They've made their name within boxing

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by promoting women's boxing. I mean they are the premier

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promoter for women. They've signed so many of the top females.

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with Katie Taylor, and she's one of the people that

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they promote, but they also have signed lots of other women.

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week or two, Caroline Dubois, who was the sister of

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Danie who was the WBC's women's lightweight champion. Certainly, if

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bomb Garner is successful defending one hundred and thirty pound title,

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if they want to make a pretty big fight for

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women's boxing, bomb Garner against Dua would certainly fit the bill,

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and so they'll look for those types of fights. So

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she's in the co feature and we'll see how that goes.

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the women's fights. They put on the Katie Taylor Serrano

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two when Jake, Paul and Tyson fought their fight that

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was one of the undercard in the co feature they did.

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third fight headlined, but the rest of the main card

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was all female world title fights. So they're going to

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get Alicia some nice exposure with this type of positioning

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on this card and you move on. Now there's four fight. Now,

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there's a whole bunch of other fights on the preliminary

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card which are on the Netflix Sports YouTube and the

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MVP YouTube, and there's other women's title fights on Thatchernikah

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Johnson is defending the undisputed Women's VANDAM waight title. I

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mentioned the Caroline Dubois title defense against Camilla Panetta. You

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have Jocasta Vaye, who's an excellent female champion. She's defending

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the WBC Women's Strawway title. And there's other fights as well.

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and a man to Toronto. You also have and this,

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you know, this sort of fits the the mo of MVP.

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of you know, unusual type of fight. Two of the

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most famous MMA fighters obviously are Anderson Sova, considered by

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many to be, you know, one of the poundful pound

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grades of all time in that sport. You have Tyron Woodley,

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also a former UFC champion. They are both guys who

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came to boxing that Jake Paul defeated the outpointed Anderson

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Silva a few years ago. He beat Tyron Woodley twice,

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including by a monstrous knockout. So yeah, Anderson Silva and

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Tyron Woodley are fighting in an official boxing match in

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the cruiserweight division, a sixth rounder, so we'll see what

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they can do.

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Speaker 2: We saw that, we saw Silva beat you mentioned Chavez Junior.

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He beat Chavez Junior in an actual boxing match. I

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honestly don't know as Tyron Woodley won another boxing match

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or two since the Jake Paul knocked out back three.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's got I believe he's only got the

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two uh.

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Speaker 2: The two fights with j Paul and and again he fought.

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I still remember this in all the build up he

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fought as a welterweight in the UFC. He was moving

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up to a heavier way to fight. The uf weights

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are different than the I understand that. But he's you know,

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he's a smaller guy.

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Speaker 1: Right he is. Oh, he is.

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Speaker 3: I just looked it up while we're talking. He's oh

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and two in boxing. And the second Jake Paul fight

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was in December of two thousand and one. He hasn't

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had a boxing matcher. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I don't know really what I mean. This is just

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two guys on the four years uf Yeah, UFC guys.

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Speaker 3: But they're they're well known guys. I mean they're they're

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they're big names obviously within UFC and within m m

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A in general. And also if you take a look

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at the record of Anderson Silva as a boxer, he

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has not had a boxing match since he lost the

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decision to call back in the later part of twenty

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twenty two. So they're both coming off boxing layoffs, and.

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Speaker 2: They both got paid big to do what they did

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with Jake Paul.

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Speaker 3: I guess all right as far as boxing goes, And

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then you know, and I'm looking this is the opening fight,

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I believe on the on the main card, you have

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the excellent United States Olympian Jamal Harvey, the junior lightweight

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who was going to have a second professional fight against

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a fighter named Kevin Servante's. This was a fight that

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was originally scheduled back when Jake Paul was supposed to

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fight against Servante Davis back in November. When that fight

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was canceled, his fight ultimately was just moved to this card.

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He's an excellent looking young prospects scorer, you know, look

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good in this pro debut and I'm anxious to continue

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following his development as a professional.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So all of that again is Friday night

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and you'll get a little more. Also again I second plug.

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Go back and hear Christina Poncher talking about the women's

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fights and what it means and etc. And she's given

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you some great insight on being involved with the broadcast.

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Maro Ronalo is on the call. The former Showtime boxing

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announcer David Hey, the British heavyweight, is on the call

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with Christina Poncher. They're the main broadcasters on Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow is known now as the guy that does the

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big Uh. Does the PBC pay per views also correct?

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Speaker 2: Yep, so check that out all right? Uh so we

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did have this is interesting some fights midweek, the teak

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In Promotions card in Tokyo saw the WBA Bantamweight Championship

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stay with say Yasussume fighting the legendary Nito don Air.

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Nito don Air. All right, so recap this because honestly,

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with everything going on this week, I had to get

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to my Dan Rayfaeld, substack and on social media to

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find out more about what had happened and where I

485
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know you're always locked in breakfast in Japanese boxing.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't breakfast in boxing because there was no

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American outlet. This was not live on a YouTube. This

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is not live on a top rank ESPN Plus or

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at a fast channel. This was scour fucking YouTube like

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after the fact and see if you can fucking find

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the fight, which I did, if not in the greatest

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wow out of your level of completeness like I would see,

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but I did manage to watch the fight.

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Speaker 1: This was a really good fight. I know.

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Speaker 3: Donair is forty three years old, and you know, obviously

496
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in the twilight of his career. If he had won

497
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the fight, he'd broke his own record as the oldest

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fighter to ever win a bantamweight title. And they put

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on a great war. I mean, I don't have any

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more of them. At forty three, Dona Airs got left.

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But assume he is, you know, twenty nine years old

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and you know, probably in his prime or thereabouts.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They fought a badass fight and in the end it

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was Assumi who was the better man over the second

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half of the fight. That want a decision, It was

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a split decision. It was you know, hard to score.

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I mean what I was watching one seventeen one eleven

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and one fifteen to one thirteen for s assuming One

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Judge had one sixteen to one to twelve for Donair.

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All's so funny about it? Well, no, this is sometimes

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that you can understand. I mean, sometimes it makes no sense.

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Sometimes it's the kind of fighter like I get it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, one seventeen one eleven means that judge

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had nine rounds for SUSUMEI and then one sixteen one

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to twelve means that judge had eight rounds for Donair.

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And you're saying the rounds were that close and hard

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to score.

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Speaker 1: It was it was it was a that kind of fight.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that was interesting if you take a

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look at the scorecard, and I I uh, I have

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I looked at a copy of the score card. The

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way down Air got off to a great start. I mean,

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he won the first seven rounds on one scorecard, he

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won the first five rounds on another scorecard, and he

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won three of the first four on the third score card.

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And he broke to whom he's nose, you know, in

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that first part in the first few rounds of the fight.

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But then Tosume Me, you know, got himself together, was

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able to make a comeback, and he almost got knocked

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out in the fourth round.

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Speaker 1: Tosume Me.

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Speaker 3: At the end of that round, don't Eric hit him

534
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with a bunch of shots, including a big right hand

535
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that made him do a big dipsy doodle. A referee

536
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almost you know, was standing right there. He almost knocked

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almost knocked him down, and then the round ended, so

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he didn't really have a chance to follow up. And

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when he came out in the next round, he just

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could not he could not finish him off, and he

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basically he let that moment escape to assume he had survived,

542
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you know, I call it the crisis, and he was

543
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able to kind of gather himself and really do a

544
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good job. Late in the fight, he you know, and

545
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don Air was fading a little bit, and uh, you know,

546
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the younger guy, the fresher guy, I guess ended up winning.

547
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You know what was a fairly close fight other than uh,

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you know, the near knockout that he took in the

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fourth round or near knockdown anyway, and uh, look, don't Air,

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you know, even at this age, to put on that

551
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kind of performance, it was pretty impressive. But uh look,

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I love knowing you know, Donaire as much as anybody.

553
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I've covered him for basically his whole career as a

554
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championship level fighter. I've known him for a long time.

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I know his family, his wife, they're they're great people.

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Uh you know, but enough is enough, it seems to me.

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I mean, he's going to be a first bout Hall

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of Famer. You know, he's been doing some commentary. He's

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done commentary on some of the MVP shows that they've

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done with his own. I don't know what's next for him,

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but you know, whenever it's over three years later, he's

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going to be a first bout Hall of Famer. The

563
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guy's done everything, titles in multitude of divisions, from him

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to featherweight.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we saw obviously one of the

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greats right now in In in a way the monster

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destroy him and that was back what three years ago,

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I think in their rematch, three or four years ago,

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and he continued, He's continued to fight on. But you

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really wonder what I mean, you already have the record

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for the the oldest bantamweight champion ever. You've been. You've

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been a multi time world champion in a couple of divisions.

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Speaker 3: So I'm with he's unified. He's been the fighter of

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the year. He had the knockout of the year. He

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gave No in a way, probably the toughest fight of

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his professional career when he lost a close decision in

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the I forget what year was, but it was the

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fight of the year that year. You know, listen, he's

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gonna have to figure it out. But I wish nothing

580
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but the best for no Nato Dunar Sasumi. You know,

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he gets a signature victory for himself, and so that

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was a great That was a tremendous fight for.

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Speaker 2: What about the rest of the card? What else was known?

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Speaker 3: So the other the other fights. There were two other

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world title fights on the card. He had Renee Santiago

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who had one of the one hundred and eight pound titles.

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He had Kaisuki Tommy Takami who had the other one

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of the other titles. There was a w BA WO

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title unification fight. This was a pretty good fight. I

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mean it was another split decision, a very close call.

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The Santia I think kind of just out hustled in

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the end. I mean, that was really what it sort

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of came down to. He ended up winning again. It

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was a it was a split decision once seventeen to

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one eleven. It was the same scores as a don't

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air fight, one sixteen to to one, fifteen, one thirteen,

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and the other judge had it for the for Tacami

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one sixteen to one to twelve.

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Speaker 1: They put on a good fight.

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Speaker 3: Santiago was sort of like not a guy you would

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look at it and say, this guy's gonna be unified.

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Champion's thirty three years old. He kind of was journeyman

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Isia for the last few years. He got a belt

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in Japan in his last fight He's fifteen and four

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with nine knockouts, not a big time record. Sometimes in

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these lower divisions, like the guys, they find their groove

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and the titles though they end up changing hands like

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every couple of fights, and that sort of seems the

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way that it's going right now in this division. I mean,

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congratulations to him. I don't see him as a long

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term champion, but he had a big night in a

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big moment for his career to unify these titles and

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doing so on the road because he went to the home,

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you know, country of Tacami and he's coming from Puerto Rico.

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I assume it'll be a big celebration for him once

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he gets back home, because there ain't a lot of

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Puerto Rican world champions at the moment, and certainly not

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in the in the sense of a unified champion. We

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may have another one at the end of January if

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Xanders Ayas unifies the titles at one fifty four, because

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he has the fight in San Juan against Peru. But

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this's a great accomplishment for Santiago and it was again

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it wasn't the caliber of excitement level as the first fight,

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but it was pretty good and then you had on

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the on the opening of the three fights of the

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title fights. Anyway, he had Anthony Olaskagua, who's been generally

627
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fighting in Japan, but he's from Los Angeles. He he

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scored a knockout and has retained his title for the

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fourth time. He took care of business against another Japanese fighter,

630
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Taku Kawahara, stopped him in the fourth round. Pretty even

631
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fight up until the knockout, but then he just started

632
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laying beating on him and just unloaded like a flurry

633
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of punches in the referee really had no choice but

634
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to step in and to stop that fight. So he

635
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moves on. I mean, he's a guy that's sort of

636
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coming into his own. It seems to me he is

637
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a guy that has a great team behind him with

638
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you know, you know, he's with mister Honda as this

639
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promoter even though he's American, but he has been fighting

640
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in Japan. But Rudy Hernandez is his trainer, one of

641
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the most underrated trainers in boxing. Shares that trainer with

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Jento Nakatani and others. So good win for the kid.

643
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And as it wasn't a world title fight, but segu Akui,

644
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who was the former flyweight champion. He was coming back

645
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from having lost his title. He fought in a scheduled

646
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eight round fight just to sort of get back in

647
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the groove, and he knocked out his opponent of Vincent

648
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Lacar in the third round of the eight rounder.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a little midweek recap in Japan, same thing

650
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on Wednesday morning, US time, Wednesday night in Australia, Tim

651
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Zu did make his return over the limit of junior

652
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middleweight technically a middleweight fight, catchweight, whatever you want to

653
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call it. He gets a decision win over Anthony Velasquez,

654
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who I don't really know a whole lot about. Tell

655
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me more anything of note here other than Zoo getting

656
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back up on the bicycle, as we like to say,

657
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and trying to resurrect championship contention if he can eventually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen.

659
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Speaker 3: He looked terrible when he got beat in the July

660
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rematch with Fondora. He basic he quit on the stool

661
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after like round seven or so. He had been knocked

662
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down in the first round, he had been cut. So

663
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he had a second loss to Fandora, but in a

664
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much more dominating fashion for Fandora after the first fight,

665
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which was the blood Death we all remember, the very

666
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you know, made on short notice, was a great fight,

667
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but he had suffered that terrible cut to a scalp.

668
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The rematch was a domination by Fandora, so he just

669
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got his ass kicked. And remember before that he had

670
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had a home fight to sort of shake the cobwebs off,

671
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like this one was meant to be when he went

672
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home and he had a fight over against your boy

673
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Joey Spencer. But before before that he had been annihilated

674
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by Bakram Ortazalev when he challenged for the title and

675
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he got dropped. He got dribbled off the canvas about.

676
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Speaker 2: Fours and stopped in Orlando.

677
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Speaker 3: So that was so he's in the position where he

678
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come into this fight having lost three of his last

679
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four fights, twice the Fandora in title fights, once the

680
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Baker Man a title fight, and just to win against

681
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Joey Spencer, which was the handpicked sort of lesser type opponent.

682
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Now to sort of salvage his career, he had another

683
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sort of same thing, a hand picked opponent not even

684
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at the same level as Joey Spencer. They they picked

685
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out Anthony Velaskas, who was on defeated going into the fight.

686
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But he's basically like a New England club fighter. He's

687
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from Massachusetts. If you take a look at his record,

688
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he fought predominantly on that New England club scene. They

689
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,559
did their right scouting, they brought him in. He was

690
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,359
tough man, he gave a good effort, but he just

691
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was out outclassed. They fought the fight, as you mentioned,

692
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over the limit. It was a catchwaight of one hundred

693
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,720
and fifty seven pounds. There was no reason to make

694
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one to fifty four. It was only a ten rounder.

695
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Just sort of get back in the groove. And I

696
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,559
didn't think that Zoo looked that great, but he certainly

697
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had enough to be the guy like Alaskas, who was

698
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a willing participant but just outclassed in every which way.

699
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And so when you looked at the final cards, he

700
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had two guys scored the fight one hundred to ninety

701
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which is a shoutout. Obviously he had another fight another

702
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judge scored one hundred to ninety one, which I guess

703
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that means there was a ten ten round in there somewhere.

704
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So he gets back on the winning side. Of the track,

705
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and you know, we'll see what's next. I don't know

706
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if he's planning to go back to one fifty four

707
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or if he's gonna want to move up to one sixty.

708
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I guess they're going to discuss that. Incidentally, Also, I've

709
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note this was his first fight under the tutelage of

710
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,720
the trainer Pedro Diaz, who has a tremendous amount of

711
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,200
respect within the business. He had parted ways with his

712
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,799
career long trainer Igor Agolobev, who is his uncle as well.

713
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,680
That's the uh, the brother of I guess it's the

714
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,000
brother of of Costa Zoos.

715
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's uh Costazoo's sisters husband.

716
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,799
I think we straighten all of that out.

717
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,079
Speaker 1: Yes, they've been together his whole career.

718
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: So they split or he left him and went to

719
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
work with Pedro down in Miami, Florida, where he's based

720
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,359
out of. And uh, we'll see if he can bring

721
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,039
him back. And then and one thing at tim seems

722
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:48,640
to have the desire to do it, and that's a big

723
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,599
part of it, to sort of right the wrong. But

724
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,359
can he get back to the top level. You know,

725
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,920
you'd be you'd be foolish if you weren't skeptical.

726
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: Let's put yeah to be determined, because those were again

727
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,400
the matas we talked about this, and the Fundura defeats

728
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440
were hard losses, knocked out badly by Martaz Alive and

729
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,839
then brutally stopped by Fundura. So stay tuned, stay tuned

730
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:18,200
on Tim Zoo, who obviously had a rising career in Australia,

731
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,519
and I think the argument can be made once he

732
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,839
came to the United States and stepped up in competition.

733
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,559
I mean, there you go, all right, other news Oh.

734
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Hey, oh hey, hey, about.

735
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Thirty five minutes into the show. First of all, you

736
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,880
need to fess up Southern term. Did you have any

737
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,319
clue that Terrence Crawford was looking to retire? Tell us

738
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,640
the truth on the pod. Had you even heard a

739
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,559
murmur about that?

740
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's always something you might think about when

741
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,240
a guy.

742
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,079
Speaker 2: Was but you hadn't heard a murmur he might be

743
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:48,960
thinking of quitting. You had I mean, you would be

744
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,079
the most plugged in person to ask you hadn't even

745
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:54,039
heard a murmur he might be looking at hanging it up.

746
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:54,680
You hadn't heard that.

747
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:55,519
Speaker 1: I hadn't.

748
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: And the reason I hadn't heard that was because there

749
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,720
had been not from the Crawford side, but from team Canelo.

750
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,960
There was conversations that they were looking at doing that

751
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,480
Canelo was not going to have a spring fight like

752
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,639
he would typically have in the May time frame, and

753
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,599
then they would wait and do a rematch against Terrence

754
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,519
Cowford in September. Eddie Reinoso, who was obviously the manager

755
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,960
and trainer of Canelo, who obviously wields a lot of

756
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,280
influence and certainly knows what's going on when it comes

757
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,760
to Canelo's boxing career, was on Mexican television TVs TECH,

758
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,960
which is one of the big broadcasters there. They do

759
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,960
a lot of boxing, was talking about that plan. But

760
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,360
it does take two to tango, so they can talk

761
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,559
about their plans all they want, right if the other

762
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,039
guy is not willing or interested to do it now, listen,

763
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,639
I have heard behind the scenes that Crawford probably would

764
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,360
have done the fight, but he had a certain price

765
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,880
tag in mind, and if Turkey or whoever wasn't going

766
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,400
to meet the price tag, you know, I'm gonna just retire.

767
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,800
I just made like sixty million dollars for the fight.

768
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,039
Speaker 1: Again. Canelo and I'm good.

769
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 2: So now we fast forward to Thursday evening, I'm not sorry,

770
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,360
Tuesday evening. As we do this Thursday Tuesday evening, suddenly

771
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,760
there's a video. And as I like to joke with you,

772
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,400
that was not the McDonald's drive through version of putting

773
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719
out a retirement video. That is something that took some

774
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,360
time to put together, with him voicing it over, very

775
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,480
well done production wise, with him announcing for five minutes

776
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,559
that this is it and this is why I am retiring.

777
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,639
So I have to say I was shocked when I

778
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,679
saw that, because I really thought there was probably one

779
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,599
more big fight or something that he was seeking. Then again,

780
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:24,360
the more that I've considered it, what else is out

781
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,639
there that he has to challenge himself with at this point?

782
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,760
So I understand it from that viewpoint. All right, I

783
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,599
said a lot. What are your thoughts now that the

784
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,960
video came out that Terrence Crawford says he's retired.

785
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: Well, you make the right point.

786
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,039
Speaker 3: The reason why I give this a lot of credence

787
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,079
is because, as you and I joke before we started,

788
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,519
this was not Tyson Fury waking up one morning and

789
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,679
grabbing his phone and you know, going on a rant

790
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,079
for forty five seconds, saying I'm retired and ending his

791
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,079
video after he posted to his social media this was

792
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,800
as you mentioned, this is a thoughtful video that took

793
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,239
time to make to produce, that was very slickly done

794
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,159
to get him to narrate it, where he you know,

795
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,519
spent five minutes talking about what he had done, why

796
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,440
he was doing this, you know, given the thanks to

797
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,519
all the people that were helpful to his career, whether

798
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:05,480
it was family members, the guys in the gym with him,

799
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,079
his promoters that he's worked with, different people of that

800
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,320
eld Turkey Alshik of course, and others, and called it

801
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,920
a day. And it is unusual, especially when you get

802
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,920
to the point where you're at the level where you're

803
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,920
still really really good. I mean, he walks away essentially

804
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,960
as the pound for pound number one, two or three

805
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,559
at worst. You know, as we've discussed many times, it's

806
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,239
him in a way, and it was sick in that

807
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,039
upper echeline and then everybody else. So he walks away

808
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,440
with that. Now, maybe he wasn't going to get you know,

809
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,639
one hundred million dollars or something like that for a

810
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,440
rematch with Canelo, but trust me, he could still command,

811
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,960
you know, very very strong, you know, twenty thirty forty

812
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,400
fifty million dollars type persons I would imagine for certain fights.

813
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440
But the combination of not having an obvious opponent other

814
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,280
than a rematch with Canelo, which I'm not against, but

815
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,719
I just don't think the public really would have cared

816
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,880
as much. So while the fight would have been fine,

817
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:56,599
I think if you're on Netflix or you're a Turkey

818
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,960
wherever's putting up the money, you would be willing to

819
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,840
do it, but not at that same time you're gonna

820
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,639
be taking a reduction.

821
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: He probably didn't.

822
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: And I said this to you, and I want to interject,

823
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,719
he doesn't have anything to prove by fighting Canelo Alvarez again.

824
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,719
He already beat him, right, But I mean, you've made

825
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,320
tons of money off the Spence undisputed fight. You made.

826
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,000
You made a good chunk of money. I don't know

827
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,280
exactly what he made in the in the fight with

828
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,719
madram Off, and now with this fight with Canelo. It

829
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,519
can't just be about the money. It's generational wealth type

830
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,239
stuff that you've gotten in the last.

831
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Three years, well in excess of one hundred million dollars.

832
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: It is a couple of hundred million at this with

833
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,360
the Spence well, with the Spence fight and with a

834
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Canelo fight.

835
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,119
Speaker 3: You don't know, No, I know so not, but it's

836
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,639
still mind figures. And keep in mind he doesn't live

837
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,480
in Los Angeles Manhattan. He lives in Omaha, Nebraska. Correctly,

838
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,840
the bashing of a high high cost.

839
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: I will pose it this way. I will pose it

840
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,679
this way, and I think this I don't. I don't

841
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,400
know Terrence Crawford. I've never actually interviewed him. I've heard

842
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800
him be interviewed. But I think part of this is

843
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,800
I walk away saying nobody ever beat me. Thing is Mayweather,

844
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,800
same thing as andre Ward in the present. You mentioned

845
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,440
Joe kal Zagi, who's the bigger UK star, the European star,

846
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,199
than than what we know we famously know. Rocky Marciano

847
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,519
walked away at the height of everything. It's before our time,

848
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,360
but at the height of everything as the heavyweight champ.

849
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,880
He walked away. But I think part of this is

850
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,599
I can walk away and say nobody beat me.

851
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,119
Speaker 3: He walked away also because it's a matter of in

852
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,079
his words, basically, I beat the system. Yes, I was

853
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,159
a guy that wasn't known out of the amateurs by

854
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:34,719
that many people. I fought my way to the top.

855
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,639
I had my battles with promoters, you know, obviously not

856
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,199
you know, he had a great run with Top Rank,

857
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,599
but at the end it was not great, partly because

858
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,599
he was frozen out from the PBC top guys, because

859
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,800
there was still the all encompassing battle between Top Rank

860
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,559
and PBC, so he was as Aero. Spence famously said,

861
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,440
you're on the other side of the street, and that

862
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,960
became an issue. So if you take a look at

863
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,239
the title defenses that Crawford made at the latter stages

864
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,840
of his welterweight run, be prior to the fight with

865
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,519
Sean Porter, you know, he was stuck fighting the remnants

866
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:07,239
of Amir Khan, and I guess Kabalaska's a good fighter,

867
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,840
but not well known, you know, just not big names

868
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,079
and not big fights unfortunately. But he persevered, he got

869
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,760
it done and he made his money. And I think

870
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,159
also there's something to be said for walking away at

871
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,079
the top. If he truly stays retired, his legacy will

872
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,559
continue to grow as time passes. When Lennox Lewis retired,

873
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,199
now he wasn't undefeated, but he retired as the heavyweight champion,

874
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,840
and his legacy has grown astronomically since that day. He

875
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,320
walked away and gave up the title, and so it's uncommon,

876
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,840
but there's guys have done it. It's not a lot

877
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,400
of guys that walk away when they have a chance

878
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,800
to still make career money. Lennox could have taken the

879
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,519
rematch with Vladimir with rather with Batally Clitchko, perhaps moved

880
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,320
on to Vladimir Klitchko fight which WO paid him huge

881
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,360
amounts of money. Andre Ward had just beaten Sergey Kovola

882
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,239
for the second time, was at the height of his

883
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,760
earning power. He walked away. Terrence Crawford is in a

884
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,320
simi situation. So it doesn't happen a lot, but it

885
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,119
does happen from time to time. And you know, listen,

886
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,000
if he's retired, you know, good good luck to congratulations.

887
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,440
He had a hell of a career. And I'll get

888
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,639
my Hall of Fame ballot in three years and certainly

889
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
check mark his name. No problem there. If he does

890
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,880
decide to come back, it wouldn't be a total shock

891
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:17,440
to anybody.

892
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: No, And they all come back, it seems like.

893
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,199
Speaker 3: But they but andre didn't and anlyntics, didn't you know?

894
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,000
So it does happen. The great rumor, by the way,

895
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:28,679
is that Rocky Marciana retired and never will look back.

896
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,960
The reality was before he was killed in a plane crash.

897
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,079
If you go back and read like that the stuff

898
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,559
of the times, he was talking about coming back. He

899
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,519
just didn't live long enough to do so, because he

900
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,760
unfortunately was killed in the plane crash. But if he

901
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,760
hadn't been killed in the plane crash, there's a really

902
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,599
good chance we had Rocky Martin.

903
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: He still is. He still is in the lore the

904
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,599
standard of nobody ever beat him. I agree, Uh, Floyd

905
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,519
Mayweather can say the same thing. I will say what

906
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:54,760
I said to you earlier on the bet Us Show

907
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,760
when we were talking about this. I will believe Terrence

908
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,679
Crawford is retired. If next Chris US next holiday season,

909
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Terrence Crawford hasn't fought anybody. Stay tuned.

910
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: Here's here's another aspect of Theaytun Who.

911
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: And the bigger question is who is it that would

912
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,159
lure him out of this? And I don't know that

913
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:11,280
there is one, So go ahead.

914
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,039
Speaker 3: So to me, it's one thing when a man retires

915
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,679
or a woman retires. But if they hold their titles

916
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,320
and they announce a retirement, then the thing becomes okay, Well,

917
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,039
when do you tell the organizations, you know, thank you

918
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,960
on retiring, and here's your belt back or your title back.

919
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,760
They get the obviously keep the physical belt. When Lennox

920
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Lewis retired as I'll bring him up again, he had

921
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,840
a press conference announced his retirement and then promptly gave

922
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,360
up the WBC title. Sometimes it doesn't quite work like that.

923
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:41,800
In the case of Terrence Crawford, he has vacated the

924
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,519
WBO title. I checked with his team. I checked with

925
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:48,119
the WBO, and he has notified them that that title

926
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,800
is now vacant. They still are going through the process.

927
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,440
They'll they'll notify. I'm sure you know it'll they'll get

928
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,159
to it in the coming days. I guess they'll notify

929
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:59,239
the WBA and the IBF. I also checked with those

930
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,280
organizations well, and received word back from both of them

931
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,719
that they had not yet heard from Terrence Crawford as

932
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,840
related to the title situation, but that will come. And

933
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,639
Doue time here obviously had been stripped by the WBC

934
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:12,960
because of their beef about the lack of payment for

935
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,760
sanction fees for the previous two fights. But when a

936
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,440
fighter announced the retirement and then promptly starts giving up

937
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,039
his belts, that's when I take it seriously. You combine

938
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,199
that with the video that was that was a thoughtful

939
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,920
piece for them to do, you know, and it adds

940
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,920
up and you know, maybe he's done.

941
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,039
Speaker 1: I know. We always want to say, we always want.

942
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: To be contrary and and and and suspectful that it's

943
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,840
not you know, real in terms of like what their

944
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,119
reasons are. Sometimes guys just say, you know what, you

945
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,559
know what, I've had a great career, I made a

946
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:41,320
shitload of money.

947
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:42,159
Speaker 1: I'm healthy.

948
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: Let me put it to you this way. It would

949
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,440
not surprise me if in I'm not calling my shot here.

950
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,079
But if in the next sixty days Alexander Usik says

951
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,199
I'm done, that wouldn't surprise me because at this point,

952
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:58,800
what else is there for him to put.

953
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: Usik's probably gonna fight Deontay.

954
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 2: Wilder, maybe whatever. But if he were to say in

955
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,000
January February, I'm done, I would believe him. What else

956
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,400
is there to prove? You've made tons of bank with

957
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,719
the with the last few fights, you've had. It's not

958
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,400
about the wealth, it's not about who you have to

959
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,440
fight anymore. He didn't have to fight Deontay Wilder, just like.

960
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: No he wants to fight. Probably gonna happen by stay tuned.

961
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,519
Speaker 3: But even if but hold on DJ, even if that

962
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,280
does happen, it's not like Alexander usiks in it for

963
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,320
the long term. He did some interviews and he posted

964
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,679
some stuff on hold On, hold On where he said

965
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:35,960
I'm fighting for three more years.

966
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 1: I'll believe that one I saw.

967
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with you on that. And my premise

968
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,800
was if he were to suddenly announce you know what,

969
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
I'm good, I would not shock me. It would not

970
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,800
shock me. You're at the end, you're undefeated. You can

971
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,280
once again say nobody beat me. So stay tuned, stay

972
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,199
tuned on that. A couple of other news items before

973
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,199
you and I are done. You did mention Amanda Serrano

974
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,480
before would she possibly be a name with Alicia Baumgardner.

975
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,480
We obviously she's aligned with MVP. MVP is going to

976
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,960
do an opponent switch because of an irregular or what

977
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,760
is the word atypical it's a drug to a typical

978
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,039
drug finding for the opponent Erica Cruz. So a new

979
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,840
opponent for Serrando's January third about in Puerto Rico. That's

980
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,599
coming sooner than you realize. It's coming here in a

981
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:20,599
couple of weeks. Yeah, go ahead, what's the latest?

982
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,679
Speaker 3: The latest is on Wednesday, or maybe it was Tuesday

983
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,000
for say was I reported that they had dropped Cruise

984
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,719
from the fight and that they were replacing her with

985
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,000
a fighter named Raina Teyes And that was you know,

986
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,000
per my sources about that. And then just before we

987
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,639
came on this zoom call to record this podcast, I

988
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,159
had received the press release from MVP that in fact,

989
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:46,480
that's what's happening. They have replaced Erica Cruz with the Teyas.

990
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,239
So that's going to be the fight. So'll defend her

991
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:53,159
WBO and WBA featherweight titles in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

992
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,079
A homecoming fight for January third against Tyas and Erica Cruz.

993
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,039
She had had a phenomenal battle with her back in

994
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,960
twenty twenty three, was like one of the best women's fights,

995
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239
not just a fight of the year type fight, but

996
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,159
like one of the greatest women's fights you'll ever see.

997
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,360
And they were going to do a rematch, But the

998
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,559
combination of the atypical fighting, which in the word atypical,

999
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,960
this is a Vonda test. There's adverse, which means it's

1000
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,119
a positive test, and atypical means it's something other than adverse,

1001
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,079
but it needs to have more testing, So they decided

1002
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,280
to drop Crews from the fight. I think if she

1003
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,119
didn't have a previous testing issue, they probably maybe would

1004
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:29,840
have gone through with it. But the problem was back

1005
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,559
in a couple of years earlier in twenty twenty or

1006
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,280
last year. In twenty twenty four, she had a draw.

1007
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,559
At a time she was the bba's one hundred and

1008
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,760
twenty two pounds champion, she had a fight where she

1009
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,360
tested positive for a banned substance that was like a

1010
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,199
hardcore steroid. She ultimately was stripped of the title. That

1011
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,119
fight ended up as a draw, but she was stripped

1012
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,239
because of that drug test. Now, the substances were different

1013
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,440
in that fight in twenty twenty four. It was a

1014
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,559
hardcore drug standisol which is if that he remembers, that

1015
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,920
was Ben Johnson many years ago. In the case of

1016
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,599
what happened in her atypical finding that just was returned

1017
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,679
from Vada, it was for the substance clembuterol, which is

1018
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,000
something that has become unfortunately very common when it comes

1019
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,960
to Mexican athletes. Famously, that was what Canelo Alvarez had

1020
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,880
his positive drug test for. They've changed the levels because

1021
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,639
of so much a contamination that takes place with the

1022
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,639
food supply in Mexico. But Serrano was well within her

1023
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,719
rights if she had a positive test in twenty four,

1024
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,800
and now she's got one. That's not quite right here

1025
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,239
in twenty five, we're the star.

1026
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: We're dropping.

1027
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: We're going to fight Taz instead. Taa is not a

1028
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,079
well known fighter eighteen and two with a draw in

1029
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,280
four knockouts. But this is the man the Serrano show anyway.

1030
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so again that's for January, third new opponent. We

1031
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,199
did make mention of this, I know you wanted to

1032
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:50,639
repeat this that Badu Jack did go to the hospital

1033
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,639
after the Michalean fight on Saturday night with a fractured

1034
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,800
cheek bone. He put that on social media. We were

1035
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,000
talking about that in the aftermath. Doesn't appear to be seriou.

1036
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,800
And here we are again wondering is this fighter going

1037
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,719
to retire at forty two years of age?

1038
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said forty two, he'd just come off

1039
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,920
of a was a wasn't like a hard, hard, ruling,

1040
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,159
physical fight, but at forty two he certainly faded in

1041
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,719
the second half of the fight. Mckellian was, you know,

1042
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,000
on point, a bigger jab, bigger guy, member of Bad Due.

1043
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,519
Even though he was the cruiserweight title holder, he had

1044
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,320
previously been a title holder in light heavyweight and super middleweight,

1045
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,360
so he's come up, you know, over the years to

1046
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,239
much heavier weights. And I saw the picture of him

1047
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,920
on a social media in the hospital, had suffered a

1048
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,559
broken cheek going in the second half of the fight,

1049
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,159
and I just think that that is a very reasonable

1050
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,840
understanding of why he may have faded down the stretch,

1051
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,639
because if you take a look at Bedu's career, you

1052
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,519
know he has had fights where he was really good

1053
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,719
in the second half of fights. James de Gale fight,

1054
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,599
for example, phenomenal super midaweight battle that turned out to

1055
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,480
be a draw, one of the best super middlew fights

1056
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,599
you'll ever see. Strong in the second half of that

1057
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:58,440
fight won the first mccallian fight because he closed now

1058
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,400
strong and rounds eleven and twelve, and obviously he wasn't

1059
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,400
quite the same that he did last Saturday. And you

1060
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840
have to understand if you got a bust of cheek bone,

1061
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,360
the fact he still continued to fight while you're getting

1062
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,400
hit in the cheekbone.

1063
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it.

1064
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: Shows you the kind of toughness that I do. Jack

1065
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,599
ap so I have a lot of respect for doing

1066
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:15,119
his career.

1067
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,119
Speaker 2: One more note, and there's another injury. This is a

1068
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:25,239
fractured orbital bone for the Japanese junior lightweight Hayato Sasumi. Now,

1069
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,599
which susume, what's the relation to the other Susume if

1070
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,119
there is one that we were talking about earlier in

1071
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,039
the show, I don't think.

1072
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: He's related to say, yes, assume who is the one

1073
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:33,840
that beat them?

1074
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,559
Speaker 2: Assume me to be named later that now has a

1075
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,199
fractured orbital bone in training, he was gonna fight the

1076
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,039
WBA Junior lightweight champion, James Dickens, but now cannot fight him.

1077
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:47,280
So what's going on here with a replacement opponent or

1078
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,760
is the fight you know, Dickens without an opponent or

1079
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,519
what what's gonna.

1080
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: Happen for the time being?

1081
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,159
Speaker 3: The fight just off, I mean, and just so you know,

1082
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,119
like even if he and I'm not positive, I don't

1083
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,000
think he's related to the bantamweight champion, say yes, assuming,

1084
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:01,639
but he has a brother who was an undefeated prospect

1085
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,440
who's also been fighting on these read cards and ring cards,

1086
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,320
who's also a good prospect also as assume me. I

1087
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,920
get them mixed up to be quite honest, but Heyato

1088
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,119
is a little bit more advanced in his professional career.

1089
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,000
He's the one that suffered the injury. He was supposed

1090
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,119
to fight Dickens on the undercart of next week's fight

1091
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,599
on the twenty seventh of December, where the main event

1092
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,800
is in a way against a Picasso that also has

1093
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,639
Jendo Nakatani on the card against Hernandez, and so Dickens,

1094
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,679
you know, unfortunately, you know he's out of the fight.

1095
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,960
I'm sure they'll either they'll rescheduled at some point or

1096
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,519
they'll find him another opponent on a different card. Dickens,

1097
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,480
just so people can understand, you know, you mentioned he's

1098
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,119
the WBA Junior lightweight champion. The reason for that is

1099
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,360
he had been the interim champion and as unfortunately is

1100
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,639
the case with a lot of boxing these days. When

1101
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,119
Lamont Roach fought Pitt poll Cruz a couple of weeks

1102
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,559
ago at one hundred and forty pounds and hadn't defended

1103
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,239
one hundred and thirty pound title in ages because his

1104
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
previous fight was at one thirty five against Tank Davis.

1105
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,000
When the fight started, that title was vacated, and so

1106
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,400
at that point Dickens is now upgraded from interim to full.

1107
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,079
This was supposed to be the first defense on this

1108
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:05,280
card and it's not being. They're not finding a new

1109
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,559
opponent to my knowledge. And remember this cart is essentially

1110
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,800
World fighters against Japanese, so they would have maybe limited themselves.

1111
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,719
Now you've got to go out and find a decent

1112
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,280
contenderish type on a very short notice. Who's Japanese traveling

1113
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,760
from Japan all the way to Saudi Arabia. You know,

1114
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,760
it just seemed like it wasn't gonna work in that sense.

1115
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,280
So I'll hopefully assume he gets better, because he's a

1116
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,039
pretty good up and coming fighter. I frankly think I

1117
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,000
think he would have beaten James Dickens had they got

1118
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,559
the fight going.

1119
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,159
Speaker 2: Okay, but that fight not happening, and it doesn't look

1120
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:38,079
like a replacement opponent. With that, we have covered a

1121
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:42,400
bunch here again, you love it one more time? Whatever,

1122
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,880
this is gonna be. Did you stop that and was

1123
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,599
stay tuned? You know what it is on Saturday. All

1124
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,280
I'm saying to you, Ray Phil is if something bonkers happens,

1125
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,000
just just know that I was preparing you. Whatever this is,

1126
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:56,960
it will be, Uh, it will be a moment and

1127
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,960
you and I will come back around on the Big

1128
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,519
Fight wee can you two page Friday night late when

1129
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,199
the fight is over, Depending on when they get it started, etc.

1130
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,719
It's gonna be after midnight. We're gonna work late in

1131
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,599
the night on the YouTube page exclusively, so we'll be

1132
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,719
promoting that on social media, et cetera. But that's the

1133
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,679
place to watch you and I live live interaction, all

1134
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,159
of it on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. And

1135
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,199
when everything is over this weekend, we will also have

1136
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,679
a fight prea q U night recap off the weekend.

1137
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,159
Do you want to go ahead and plug what's also

1138
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:28,719
going to be on that podcast on the weekend recap podcast.

1139
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna shout.

1140
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna have my interview that I conducted a couple

1141
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,159
of days ago with Jino Nakatati from Japan Beautiful before

1142
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:38,400
he travels to Saudi Arabia for his fight on the

1143
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,400
undercart of in Away against Picasso, and obviously a lot

1144
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,320
of our conversation besides talking about his fight, which all

1145
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,000
respect to Hernandez, this is about the fact that he

1146
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,239
and inn Away are on the same card. He is

1147
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,920
moving up from bandam weight where he vacated the unified

1148
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,920
title to go to junior featherweight. Obviously the reason for

1149
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,440
that is in a way is in the weight class

1150
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,480
and if he wins, and in a way wins the

1151
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,119
main event, they're fighting each other at the Tokyo Dome

1152
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,320
in the spring. It will probably be the biggest fight

1153
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,239
in the history of Japanese boxing in terms of Japanese

1154
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,840
fighter against Japanese fighter. Humongous fight, awesome fight on paper,

1155
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,239
and uh we talked about it and it's it was.

1156
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,679
Speaker 1: It was. It was the first time I've ever interviewed Nakatani.

1157
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 3: We had a good translator, my Man Moto, who did

1158
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,920
a nice job, and some people will be able to

1159
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,119
hear us us.

1160
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: By the way, you're giving me more of a homework assignment,

1161
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,079
because that means I've got to put together the audio

1162
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,639
version of the podcast correct where you're gonna hear not

1163
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,599
only Dan's questions. You're gonna hear Nakatani's Japanese answers, and

1164
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:39,320
you're gonna hear quote my man Moto relaying them in English.

1165
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: And by the way, let me just tell you how

1166
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,800
that came about. So I had been dealing with the

1167
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,880
folks that are handling the pr for the event, who

1168
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,320
are working with in a way and working with Nakatani

1169
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,079
and others. We were trying to get me to get

1170
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,519
some time within a way, and we just couldn't get

1171
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,119
on the same page about my schedule in his schedule.

1172
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,440
So unfortunately I did not get a chance to do

1173
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:00,280
the interview with anyway, which would have been good. I

1174
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,559
interviewed in a way once years ago when I covered

1175
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,760
his fight, his first fight in the United States and

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took place in Los Angeles. So I didn't think I

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was going to get anybody from the show. I got

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hit up like late late whatever night it was.

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Speaker 2: It was Monday night.

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Speaker 3: It was Monday night, I think it was Monday night,

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and it was sort of like like a last gitch, like, hey,

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this like ten o'clock, ten thirty at night. I was

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in my office, though you know, I don't know if

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you're around but we've got Knakatani and this he's in Japan,

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so it's like a twelve hour time difference right next day, right,

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so he was midday for me, it's late night. They like,

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do you think you could do it at like twelve

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or twelve thirty am. I'm like, yeah, that's my wheelhouse.

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Like I'd much rather do an interview at twelve thirty

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at night than you know, six o'clock in the morning

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when I'm still asleep usually. So anyway, I was able

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to get that done like that was just kind of

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lucky that we that I was still in my office

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stut and had a nice interview Naka Donny. He's kind

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a funny guy. It was good, all right.

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Speaker 2: So you will hear that interview on the recap pod

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as well as our cover cheer on the podcast feed

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of the Jake Paul Anthony Joshua Recap Stay Tuned. Rayfaeld

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and I both think it's a Joshua Koh boy. If

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it's not, if it's something else, look out.

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Speaker 1: Why it's boxing, please, not just us.

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Speaker 2: The whole world does, yes, But I mean, this is

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why it's boxing, This is why it's different. Stay tuned

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Netflix will have it from Miami Friday night for Jake

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and Joshua, and again you and I will do the

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postfight show on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. Then

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you and I will come Sunday night into Monday with

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the Nakatani interview and with that recap right here on

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this pod feed. Other than that, enjoyed everything that's going

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to go on with Jake, Joshua and that card, and

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let's reconvene late night Friday night, early Saturday on the

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YouTube page. Shall wait to recap it. Thank you as always,

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Dan Rayfield.

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Speaker 1: All right, t JIT, there you go.

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Speaker 2: I'm merely TJ Reeves follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. A

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lot of coverage on this podcast feed of the Anthony

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Joshua Jake Paul fight coming on Friday night. You can

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obviously find that we preview going into the weekend, we

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recap coming off the weekend. You've been listening to the

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Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast