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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, we're continuing with Lost, season two, episode eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Dave being a friend of Hurlees, but not the

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<v Speaker 1>friend of Hurlies. I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought it was the guy from the from

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<v Speaker 3>the whatever. Wow. This was unrelentingly sad. Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very sad. Yes, it was. Although I was

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<v Speaker 1>always happy to see Evan Handler. Hey, Evan Handler. I

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<v Speaker 1>got yourself a trip to Hawaii.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you, man, just to be such a bully.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you you know, you eventually learned that he's

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<v Speaker 3>a projection of Hurley's imagination. But I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 3>thought he was a real guy, it was incredibly sad

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<v Speaker 3>to watch Harley being treated this way. And then when

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<v Speaker 3>you've found out that he was actually, you know, not real,

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<v Speaker 3>he was an hallucination, even more sad because that's how

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<v Speaker 3>Hurley's treating himself. Like, yes, I just wanted to hug

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<v Speaker 3>him the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it was so sad and give him some

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<v Speaker 1>peanut buttercups. Right, but yeah, just fair, Yeah, yeah, really

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<v Speaker 1>very much so. And at the end we find out

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<v Speaker 1>that Libby not so much the professional psychologist, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe she I guess she could have been.

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<v Speaker 3>But she was also a patient at the same facility

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<v Speaker 3>where Hurley was.

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<v Speaker 1>Right the last minute reveal, if you think it's over

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<v Speaker 1>and you went to the refrigerator, you've missed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Her hair was darker, yes, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Her expression was less chippered, yes, but yeah, so she

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<v Speaker 1>we we assume she recognizes Hurley. Hurley kind of recognizes her,

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<v Speaker 1>but doesn't know from where?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah, I mean she had said in the previous

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<v Speaker 3>episode something about I recognize you, and he said it

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<v Speaker 3>was from the plane or something, or maybe she said

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<v Speaker 3>from the I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think she was deferring. Yes, but uh so

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<v Speaker 1>what up with that, Libby? And uh just a just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of follow up on last week's revelation

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<v Speaker 1>that Henry Gail is in fact a dead guy in

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<v Speaker 1>a balloon or in a grave, yes, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that they have in the armory. So there

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<v Speaker 1>was some repercussion of that, but mostly this was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>entirely focused on herly correct. Yeah, it was about three

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<v Speaker 1>quarters of the way through. My husband said, aren't they

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<v Speaker 1>going to do anything about the thing that happened last week?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they have plenty of time to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get to that. Yeah they do. We had a little

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<v Speaker 1>time for a little bit of said toy torture and

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of whatever his name is, manipulating Locke.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, you know, we know what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's examine the sad, sad life of Hurley for

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<v Speaker 1>the entire hour, unrelentingly.

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<v Speaker 3>Just just so so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was amused when he started beating up Sawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody just kind of stood around with a delight.

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<v Speaker 3>Like finally somebody. And even when when Jin finally goes in,

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<v Speaker 3>he's just like, all right, I guess my wife wants

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<v Speaker 3>me to even though I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Y darn it. And early on there's a Hurley shows

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<v Speaker 1>Libby his status stash of food, and she thinks he

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<v Speaker 1>should just get rid of it, so he starts like

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<v Speaker 1>just throwing the food around, which case my husband and

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<v Speaker 1>I are both saying, possible anybody else might want that food.

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<v Speaker 1>Just give it.

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<v Speaker 3>Away, don't just destroy it. I guess the thought was

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<v Speaker 3>that he did give it away once before, but that's right,

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<v Speaker 3>he kept apparently equit.

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<v Speaker 1>A bit bill So we don't know how long we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on this island. Do we really want

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<v Speaker 1>to be wasting a deliciousol you know, fake goldfish fries brand.

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<v Speaker 1>But but it did sort of make the mom and

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<v Speaker 1>me go kids, don't waste food, don't waste food. Fight

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<v Speaker 1>no no food fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Are people on a desert island somewhere? YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't believe I ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Arm very upsetting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if it was ever used on me

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<v Speaker 3>to be sure the whole like there are children's starvings.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it was used on me, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But what do parents use now to see eating? Because

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<v Speaker 1>that will start.

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<v Speaker 3>Eating eating disorders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but there's nothing worse than a kid who will

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<v Speaker 1>not eat. I had an incident with my nephew once

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<v Speaker 1>where he just there's just no way you can force

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<v Speaker 1>no except with emotional and intellectual and manipulation. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>only tool in your arsenal. And if it doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>you just feel like I am being vested by a

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<v Speaker 1>talk right, this is not accepting.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly currently being vested by a dog because oh no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the old dog, not the new dog. The

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<v Speaker 3>new dog. You know, we had to get a slow

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<v Speaker 3>feeder for her because otherwise, like literally one second she's

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<v Speaker 3>got it an all down throat. The other dog now

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<v Speaker 3>would like to be hand fed, please, oh God. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like we need to figure something out here because it

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<v Speaker 3>started when she went to visit my daughter and perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>just because of the whole like trauma of being in

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<v Speaker 3>a brand new place and not understanding what was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was hand fed, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anyway, we've traveled far from early but we have

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<v Speaker 3>it's harder on a dog to try psychological manipulation, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dogs, dogs and and kids both the difficulty of

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<v Speaker 1>regulating eating and regulating other the other the opposite function.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, trying.

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<v Speaker 1>To toilet training kid, and there is just they have

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<v Speaker 1>all the power. There is really just nothing you can

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<v Speaker 1>do to make that happen. Those suppositories were suggested to

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<v Speaker 1>me at one time. So that must be such a

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<v Speaker 1>good feeling for kids to know that there are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things and you can't do anything about it. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>be where I want to be when and where? Letting

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<v Speaker 1>on your floor, lady, all right? But uh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>And of course imaginary friends are a big thing with kids, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember my kids ever having imaginary friends, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did have one growing up, I am told and

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<v Speaker 1>I would you know. It was the sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody would sit down and I would say, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your name is sitting right? And just I was

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<v Speaker 1>completely obnoxious about it. And then one day she just

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<v Speaker 1>fell out of the car and they said, where's so

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<v Speaker 1>and so? Oh she she felt out of the car webs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, you just killed her off.

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<v Speaker 1>I just killed her off. I just pushed her off

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<v Speaker 1>a gigantic cliff on an island. It was fine. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you know you need it, and sometimes you decide

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<v Speaker 1>you've moved moved past. Yes, yes, I hope Hurley has

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<v Speaker 1>symbolically done here since it is apparently all him. So

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<v Speaker 1>do we think that the island like manifests things from

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<v Speaker 1>your psyche and so that they are actually then real

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<v Speaker 1>or do we think that it was all just imagined?

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<v Speaker 1>Would anybody else have seen him?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I don't think anybody saw him. And he was talking.

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<v Speaker 3>He was asking Libby like, did you see me holding

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<v Speaker 3>a slipper?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And she said no, you think you would notice

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, but like, I don't know how the

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<v Speaker 3>of imagination was able to throw coconuts at herly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes so, And I mean it's maybe the same

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<v Speaker 1>as like Kate's horse, where that horse and somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>saw that horse and you were able to touch the

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness that it came. So maybe uh, maybe there's something

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<v Speaker 1>about the island that does that. Trying to think if

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<v Speaker 1>there's anybody else, well, I mean Jack's dad was just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, well, I guess he his body was on

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and then like animated. Did they see Walt? There

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<v Speaker 3>was a few.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's true. Actually Walt is still physically somewhere, though

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<v Speaker 1>they keep forgeting.

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<v Speaker 3>She would like us remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Not your dog, she remembers where.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's Yeah, we happen't heard about Michael or Walt for weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we really have it. Nobody's nobody's terribly concerned. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't They can't communicate through the computer like Walt to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with Michael. Maybe Michael manifested that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember enough of it, the crazy things they

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's never. You're never going to go wrong if

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<v Speaker 3>you expect unexpected.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like me some peanut butter. I'm trying to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I would ever get to the point where I would

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<v Speaker 1>lick it off a leaf in the That was real depressed. Maybe, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and if you were like this, peanut butter is gone.

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<v Speaker 5>If I don't, that's fine. I don't be a waste.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't like waste in front. It would depend if

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<v Speaker 5>any bugs had become stuck in it. I think if

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<v Speaker 5>bugs had become stick in it, I would have to

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<v Speaker 5>put it down.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it was just delicious, creamy peanut butter flowing, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I have consumed peanut but weights that I'm not working

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<v Speaker 4>at it but manufacturing so with a spoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it Harley is punishing himself by eating I generally

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<v Speaker 1>it's a comfort thing, but I think for most people,

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<v Speaker 1>but just boy, you know, if you're in a certain mood,

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<v Speaker 1>a jar of peanut butter and a spoon can just

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<v Speaker 1>make everything. Don yes, maybe drop, maybe dipping into some

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate sauce, but yeah, or or use a pretzel quite

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<v Speaker 1>some time.

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<v Speaker 3>A pretzel stick instead of a spoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretzel stoe. Oh, I'm gonna have to try that now,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds good. I don't know if I ever did that.

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<v Speaker 1>No finger, yeah stick, I'm not sure, right, but the

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<v Speaker 1>dorm of fish crackers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, well, and that was you know, you still

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<v Speaker 3>felt bad for herly but the oh my gosh. I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to to remove all of the temptations, but obviously

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they watch the episode? They have some insights. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I need that peanut butter. Give me some peanut

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<v Speaker 1>butter right now, Yeah, but down the jar and I

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<v Speaker 1>lease my tongue to extract and will be fine. My

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<v Speaker 1>dog has her own jar of peanut butter.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we do have We do have dog peanut.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like peanut butter situation. Yeah, no, my dog slips

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<v Speaker 3>New plant. Yeah, but I mean this this moment where

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<v Speaker 3>Early and Libby have you know, basically trashed his whole

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<v Speaker 3>What else? Now the other one gets involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess we know why she's hanging around him.

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<v Speaker 3>At least she she she saved him, so yeah she did.

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<v Speaker 1>Although you saw we saw Hurley back just he was

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<v Speaker 1>because cliffs aren't that stable. And then she comes up

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic kiss if you guys both go over the cloud, or.

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<v Speaker 3>If you just like swooze a little from your exactly. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, although you know, Dave did make a compelling

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<v Speaker 1>head into that. Come on, you guys. Yeah, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, for sure it was. It had me going like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds plausible to me. You know, Dave makes a

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he makes some good plain right, two baddies doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually exist. But I mean it would make sense for

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<v Speaker 1>herly to be thinking that, right because he has felt

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<v Speaker 1>that with all I mean, the weirdness of all the

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<v Speaker 1>on that at all. He has pointed it out a

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<v Speaker 1>about these numbers. Where did you get this number? That's

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<v Speaker 1>really weird? How could that possibly be? They're all like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>just shut up? Yeah, So which is you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>worrying lack of curiosity? Not their face? What's that you say?

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<v Speaker 1>Everything has these numbers that you heard from these guys

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<v Speaker 1>who went crazy? Really No, Well, yeah, I just think

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Gale whatever his name is said tells Locke that

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't actually enter the numbers, yes, which I don't

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily I don't really believe. Well, I think do we

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<v Speaker 1>See I don't think we saw it. We just we

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<v Speaker 1>the saren just stopped going off right, or the alarm right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't think we saw whether he did

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<v Speaker 1>it or not. But I could just certainly just be

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<v Speaker 3>I'm inclined to not believe him.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's pretty safe to not believe him.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure knows how to get under lock skin. He does

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<v Speaker 3>come up with a lot of a lot of different

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<v Speaker 3>creative ways to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>He is masterful. I would have liked maybe more of

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<v Speaker 1>that plot and a little bit less of oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Poor really just being torment that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they may I mean, he's so likable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know if it's it's or Garcia's performance or just

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<v Speaker 1>the way he's been written, but he's so like of

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, he is possibly the which is why

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to put him in charge of the food.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, Oh, well, I'm glad he didn't jump off

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<v Speaker 1>the clat It must have been tempting. Well. From the

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<v Speaker 1>parenting point of view, the whole thing of changing yourself is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things that we may sometimes be the psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>instructing somebody to do, and sometimes we may.

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<v Speaker 4>Be the uh, you know, the patient.

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<v Speaker 1>Person saying it's impossible, but uh, you know, in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of wanting your kids to be fundamentally different than they

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<v Speaker 1>are for a good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good luck with that, right, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Strike of the magic wand we should we should get

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<v Speaker 1>one do over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then you'd be real tempted to use it when

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<v Speaker 3>they just won't sleep through the night.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true, and then you're still aforementioned the aforementioned

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<v Speaker 1>eating and toilet training. But you know, we've all had,

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<v Speaker 1>i think, the experience of wanting our kids to be

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<v Speaker 1>direction and forcing the matter and then having it not

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<v Speaker 1>working out, realizing sometimes to disastrous of consequences, and going

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<v Speaker 1>but but still tempting. I'm just going to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to force this. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I know best.

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<v Speaker 1>I know best, But don't tell me that I have

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<v Speaker 1>to like stop worrying. No, No, that a fundamental a feature,

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<v Speaker 1>not a fraud. Right, So anyway on we move to

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<v Speaker 1>see if next week maybe we will have more of

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch drama and some sort of we seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving to some something, and I doubt it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Well, I know it's not gonna be Syed

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<v Speaker 1>killing him. I hope you're not thinking it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>Syed killing him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's no.

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<v Speaker 1>Spoiler.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I didn't think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember how this particular thing played out. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I know things about that character, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember this particular instance. Fix how he gets out of

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<v Speaker 1>this jam other than just by you know, mentally manipulating her.

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<v Speaker 4>Right she is.

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<v Speaker 3>He's extremely.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of delightfully so. But you know, he and Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seriously if they could have thrown Dave into the

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<v Speaker 1>into the although if only Hurley is seeing them that

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<v Speaker 1>would be difficult, but still Hurley could have brought him

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<v Speaker 1>down to the hatch and said, could you lock the

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<v Speaker 1>student he's trying to get me to jump off the

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<v Speaker 1>cliff put.

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<v Speaker 3>Him in there with a k Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>I will be so glad when when we learn actually learn.

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<v Speaker 3>His Yes, we can stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Because I always think of him as the name

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<v Speaker 1>that they eventually settle on. I have to keep thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's Henry, He's still Henry, Henry, Henry Henry in quotation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that guy not Henry. Yes, I'll just call him not

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<v Speaker 1>Henry from now on. So next Tuesday, we will continue

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<v Speaker 1>with season two, episode nineteen of Lost. Soos have they not.

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<v Speaker 3>Tried this yet? Sending out ons? It's been like two

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<v Speaker 3>three months?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm in your first move. Guys, get the thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who is sending the sos and to whom

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<v Speaker 1>they are sending it. We shall see find out, We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you, and we will see you back here tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss running point, in which all the characters are

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<v Speaker 1>actually there. We're pretty short. Sandy's boyfriend could be a figation.

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