Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property. And for this week of April
Speaker 1: twenty first, we're continuing with Lost, season two, episode eighteen,
Speaker 1: Dave Dave being a friend of Hurlees, but not the
Speaker 1: friend of Hurlies. I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was the guy from the from
Speaker 3: the whatever. Wow. This was unrelentingly sad. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: It was very sad. Yes, it was. Although I was
Speaker 1: always happy to see Evan Handler. Hey, Evan Handler. I
Speaker 1: got yourself a trip to Hawaii.
Speaker 3: Good for you, man, just to be such a bully.
Speaker 3: And when you you know, you eventually learned that he's
Speaker 3: a projection of Hurley's imagination. But I mean, when you
Speaker 3: thought he was a real guy, it was incredibly sad
Speaker 3: to watch Harley being treated this way. And then when
Speaker 3: you've found out that he was actually, you know, not real,
Speaker 3: he was an hallucination, even more sad because that's how
Speaker 3: Hurley's treating himself. Like, yes, I just wanted to hug
Speaker 3: him the whole time.
Speaker 1: I know, it was so sad and give him some
Speaker 1: peanut buttercups. Right, but yeah, just fair, Yeah, yeah, really
Speaker 1: very much so. And at the end we find out
Speaker 1: that Libby not so much the professional psychologist, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe she I guess she could have been.
Speaker 3: But she was also a patient at the same facility
Speaker 3: where Hurley was.
Speaker 1: Right the last minute reveal, if you think it's over
Speaker 1: and you went to the refrigerator, you've missed it.
Speaker 3: Her hair was darker, yes, she.
Speaker 1: Her expression was less chippered, yes, but yeah, so she
Speaker 1: we we assume she recognizes Hurley. Hurley kind of recognizes her,
Speaker 1: but doesn't know from where?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I mean she had said in the previous
Speaker 3: episode something about I recognize you, and he said it
Speaker 3: was from the plane or something, or maybe she said
Speaker 3: from the I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think she was deferring. Yes, but uh so
Speaker 1: what up with that, Libby? And uh just a just
Speaker 1: a little bit of follow up on last week's revelation
Speaker 1: that Henry Gail is in fact a dead guy in
Speaker 1: a balloon or in a grave, yes, as opposed to
Speaker 1: the guy that they have in the armory. So there
Speaker 1: was some repercussion of that, but mostly this was pretty
Speaker 1: entirely focused on herly correct. Yeah, it was about three
Speaker 1: quarters of the way through. My husband said, aren't they
Speaker 1: going to do anything about the thing that happened last week?
Speaker 3: No, they have plenty of time to.
Speaker 1: Get to that. Yeah they do. We had a little
Speaker 1: time for a little bit of said toy torture and
Speaker 1: a little bit of whatever his name is, manipulating Locke.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, we know what's going on there.
Speaker 1: Let's let's examine the sad, sad life of Hurley for
Speaker 1: the entire hour, unrelentingly.
Speaker 3: Just just so so sad.
Speaker 1: So I was amused when he started beating up Sawyer,
Speaker 1: and everybody just kind of stood around with a delight.
Speaker 3: Like finally somebody. And even when when Jin finally goes in,
Speaker 3: he's just like, all right, I guess my wife wants
Speaker 3: me to even though I am.
Speaker 1: Y darn it. And early on there's a Hurley shows
Speaker 1: Libby his status stash of food, and she thinks he
Speaker 1: should just get rid of it, so he starts like
Speaker 1: just throwing the food around, which case my husband and
Speaker 1: I are both saying, possible anybody else might want that food.
Speaker 1: Just give it.
Speaker 3: Away, don't just destroy it. I guess the thought was
Speaker 3: that he did give it away once before, but that's right,
Speaker 3: he kept apparently equit.
Speaker 1: A bit bill So we don't know how long we're
Speaker 1: going to be on this island. Do we really want
Speaker 1: to be wasting a deliciousol you know, fake goldfish fries brand.
Speaker 1: But but it did sort of make the mom and
Speaker 1: me go kids, don't waste food, don't waste food. Fight
Speaker 1: no no food fire.
Speaker 3: Are people on a desert island somewhere? YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't believe I ever.
Speaker 1: Arm very upsetting.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it was ever used on me
Speaker 3: to be sure the whole like there are children's starvings.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was used on me, I think.
Speaker 1: But what do parents use now to see eating? Because
Speaker 1: that will start.
Speaker 3: Eating eating disorders.
Speaker 1: Yes, but there's nothing worse than a kid who will
Speaker 1: not eat. I had an incident with my nephew once
Speaker 1: where he just there's just no way you can force
Speaker 1: no except with emotional and intellectual and manipulation. That's the
Speaker 1: only tool in your arsenal. And if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: you just feel like I am being vested by a
Speaker 1: talk right, this is not accepting.
Speaker 3: Exactly currently being vested by a dog because oh no,
Speaker 3: this is the old dog, not the new dog. The
Speaker 3: new dog. You know, we had to get a slow
Speaker 3: feeder for her because otherwise, like literally one second she's
Speaker 3: got it an all down throat. The other dog now
Speaker 3: would like to be hand fed, please, oh God. And yeah,
Speaker 3: like we need to figure something out here because it
Speaker 3: started when she went to visit my daughter and perhaps
Speaker 3: just because of the whole like trauma of being in
Speaker 3: a brand new place and not understanding what was going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was hand fed, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, we've traveled far from early but we have
Speaker 3: it's harder on a dog to try psychological manipulation, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dogs, dogs and and kids both the difficulty of
Speaker 1: regulating eating and regulating other the other the opposite function.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, trying.
Speaker 1: To toilet training kid, and there is just they have
Speaker 1: all the power. There is really just nothing you can
Speaker 1: do to make that happen. Those suppositories were suggested to
Speaker 1: me at one time. So that must be such a
Speaker 1: good feeling for kids to know that there are a
Speaker 1: couple of things and you can't do anything about it. Ah,
Speaker 1: be where I want to be when and where? Letting
Speaker 1: on your floor, lady, all right? But uh yeah, so
Speaker 1: And of course imaginary friends are a big thing with kids, right.
Speaker 1: I don't remember my kids ever having imaginary friends, but
Speaker 1: I did have one growing up, I am told and
Speaker 1: I would you know. It was the sort of thing
Speaker 1: that somebody would sit down and I would say, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what's your name is sitting right? And just I was
Speaker 1: completely obnoxious about it. And then one day she just
Speaker 1: fell out of the car and they said, where's so
Speaker 1: and so? Oh she she felt out of the car webs.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, you just killed her off.
Speaker 1: I just killed her off. I just pushed her off
Speaker 1: a gigantic cliff on an island. It was fine. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know you need it, and sometimes you decide
Speaker 1: you've moved moved past. Yes, yes, I hope Hurley has
Speaker 1: symbolically done here since it is apparently all him. So
Speaker 1: do we think that the island like manifests things from
Speaker 1: your psyche and so that they are actually then real
Speaker 1: or do we think that it was all just imagined?
Speaker 1: Would anybody else have seen him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't think anybody saw him. And he was talking.
Speaker 3: He was asking Libby like, did you see me holding
Speaker 3: a slipper?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And she said no, you think you would notice
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, but like, I don't know how the
Speaker 3: of imagination was able to throw coconuts at herly.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes so, And I mean it's maybe the same
Speaker 1: as like Kate's horse, where that horse and somebody else
Speaker 1: saw that horse and you were able to touch the
Speaker 1: horse and it was physically but it was from her
Speaker 1: consciousness that it came. So maybe uh, maybe there's something
Speaker 1: about the island that does that. Trying to think if
Speaker 1: there's anybody else, well, I mean Jack's dad was just
Speaker 1: sort of, well, I guess he his body was on
Speaker 1: the island.
Speaker 3: Well, and then like animated. Did they see Walt? There
Speaker 3: was a few.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Actually Walt is still physically somewhere, though
Speaker 1: they keep forgeting.
Speaker 3: She would like us remember.
Speaker 1: Not your dog, she remembers where.
Speaker 3: Where's Yeah, we happen't heard about Michael or Walt for weeks.
Speaker 1: Now we really have it. Nobody's nobody's terribly concerned. They
Speaker 1: can't They can't communicate through the computer like Walt to
Speaker 1: communicate with Michael. Maybe Michael manifested that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't remember enough of it, the crazy things they
Speaker 1: came up with. But expect anything.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's never. You're never going to go wrong if
Speaker 3: you expect unexpected.
Speaker 1: So I like me some peanut butter. I'm trying to leave.
Speaker 1: I would ever get to the point where I would
Speaker 1: lick it off a leaf in the That was real depressed. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, and if you were like this, peanut butter is gone.
Speaker 5: If I don't, that's fine. I don't be a waste.
Speaker 5: I don't like waste in front. It would depend if
Speaker 5: any bugs had become stuck in it. I think if
Speaker 5: bugs had become stick in it, I would have to
Speaker 5: put it down.
Speaker 1: But if it was just delicious, creamy peanut butter flowing, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: I have consumed peanut but weights that I'm not working
Speaker 4: at it but manufacturing so with a spoon.
Speaker 1: Yeah it Harley is punishing himself by eating I generally
Speaker 1: it's a comfort thing, but I think for most people,
Speaker 1: but just boy, you know, if you're in a certain mood,
Speaker 1: a jar of peanut butter and a spoon can just
Speaker 1: make everything. Don yes, maybe drop, maybe dipping into some
Speaker 1: chocolate sauce, but yeah, or or use a pretzel quite
Speaker 1: some time.
Speaker 3: A pretzel stick instead of a spoon.
Speaker 1: Pretzel stoe. Oh, I'm gonna have to try that now,
Speaker 1: that sounds good. I don't know if I ever did that.
Speaker 1: No finger, yeah stick, I'm not sure, right, but the
Speaker 1: dorm of fish crackers.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well, and that was you know, you still
Speaker 3: felt bad for herly but the oh my gosh. I
Speaker 3: tried to to remove all of the temptations, but obviously
Speaker 3: it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Did they watch the episode? They have some insights. I
Speaker 1: guess I need that peanut butter. Give me some peanut
Speaker 1: butter right now, Yeah, but down the jar and I
Speaker 1: lease my tongue to extract and will be fine. My
Speaker 1: dog has her own jar of peanut butter.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we do have We do have dog peanut.
Speaker 3: But I mean not that we Yeah, we with our
Speaker 3: old dog. We gave That's how we gave him his
Speaker 3: nightly pill.
Speaker 1: Was like peanut butter situation. Yeah, no, my dog slips
Speaker 1: off with SPS out the pill. So we have to
Speaker 1: think of something.
Speaker 3: New plant. Yeah, but I mean this this moment where
Speaker 3: Early and Libby have you know, basically trashed his whole
Speaker 3: supply and that. Yeah, they are interrupted, like there's not
Speaker 3: even a moment of time that passes in between. And there, Hey,
Speaker 3: guess what we just a found a gigantic food has
Speaker 3: fallen from the sky in this guy.
Speaker 1: So Early, yeah, so much for that. Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Thought it was over. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: All right, it is, so.
Speaker 3: What else? Now the other one gets involved.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I was feeling feeling really good for Hurley
Speaker 1: that Libby was like so into him and really hanging
Speaker 1: in there too to hang with him. And then it
Speaker 1: turns out that there's something you know from seeing her
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, it's like, does she
Speaker 1: really like Immerus or something else going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, where we.
Speaker 1: Guess we know why she's hanging around him.
Speaker 3: At least she she she saved him, so yeah she did.
Speaker 1: Although you saw we saw Hurley back just he was
Speaker 1: on the very rim of the cliffs, and I mean
Speaker 1: a guy of his size, this worries me just then
Speaker 1: because cliffs aren't that stable. And then she comes up
Speaker 1: and kisses him, and I'm like, do you want to
Speaker 1: like have him come up? It's gonna be a very
Speaker 1: dramatic kiss if you guys both go over the cloud, or.
Speaker 3: If you just like swooze a little from your exactly. Yes,
Speaker 3: it is a yes.
Speaker 1: Oh well, although you know, Dave did make a compelling
Speaker 1: case that this was all in his head. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is one of those times
Speaker 1: where I feel like the writers were trolling the fan
Speaker 1: forums to get like I'm sure somebody had thought it's
Speaker 1: all in their heads. It's all in their heads, and
Speaker 1: so it's like, Okay, let's have a character say that
Speaker 1: and then kind of disprove it, although not really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, let's play with it and you think that's
Speaker 1: what it is sure, here we go. We'll nod our
Speaker 1: head into that. Come on, you guys. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: do you guys know what it is for real? Or
Speaker 1: are you just throwing stuff against the screen and it's in,
Speaker 1: you know, amusing stuff. We're happy to watch it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, for sure it was. It had me going like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it sounds plausible to me. You know, Dave makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, he makes some good plain right, two baddies doesn't
Speaker 1: actually exist. But I mean it would make sense for
Speaker 1: herly to be thinking that, right because he has felt
Speaker 1: that with all I mean, the weirdness of all the
Speaker 1: numbers being those numbers. Yeah, And nobody has engaged him
Speaker 1: on that at all. He has pointed it out a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of times, and nobody has said, tell me
Speaker 1: about these numbers. Where did you get this number? That's
Speaker 1: really weird? How could that possibly be? They're all like, oh,
Speaker 1: just shut up? Yeah, So which is you know, a
Speaker 1: worrying lack of curiosity? Not their face? What's that you say?
Speaker 1: Everything has these numbers that you heard from these guys
Speaker 1: who went crazy? Really No, Well, yeah, I just think
Speaker 1: he's making I guess.
Speaker 3: Speaking of that, they did have that brief scene where
Speaker 3: Henry Gale whatever his name is said tells Locke that
Speaker 3: he didn't actually enter the numbers, yes, which I don't
Speaker 3: necessarily I don't really believe. Well, I think do we
Speaker 3: see him? Meant, do we.
Speaker 1: See I don't think we saw it. We just we
Speaker 1: were we were with Locke. I think when the stuff
Speaker 1: the saren just stopped going off right, or the alarm right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think we saw whether he did
Speaker 1: it or not. But I could just certainly just be
Speaker 1: saying that.
Speaker 3: I'm inclined to not believe him.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty safe to not believe him.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, he.
Speaker 3: Sure knows how to get under lock skin. He does
Speaker 3: come up with a lot of a lot of different
Speaker 3: creative ways to do that.
Speaker 1: He is masterful. I would have liked maybe more of
Speaker 1: that plot and a little bit less of oh.
Speaker 3: Poor really just being torment that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they may I mean, he's so likable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know if it's it's or Garcia's performance or just
Speaker 1: the way he's been written, but he's so like of
Speaker 1: all of them, he is possibly the which is why
Speaker 1: they wanted to put him in charge of the food.
Speaker 1: But no, Oh, well, I'm glad he didn't jump off
Speaker 1: the clat It must have been tempting. Well. From the
Speaker 1: parenting point of view, the whole thing of changing yourself is,
Speaker 1: you know, things that we may sometimes be the psychologist
Speaker 1: instructing somebody to do, and sometimes we may.
Speaker 4: Be the uh, you know, the patient.
Speaker 1: Person saying it's impossible, but uh, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of wanting your kids to be fundamentally different than they
Speaker 1: are for a good reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that, right, one.
Speaker 1: Strike of the magic wand we should we should get
Speaker 1: one do over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you'd be real tempted to use it when
Speaker 3: they just won't sleep through the night.
Speaker 1: And that's true, and then you're still aforementioned the aforementioned
Speaker 1: eating and toilet training. But you know, we've all had,
Speaker 1: i think, the experience of wanting our kids to be
Speaker 1: able to do something or to go in a certain
Speaker 1: direction and forcing the matter and then having it not
Speaker 1: working out, realizing sometimes to disastrous of consequences, and going
Speaker 1: but but still tempting. I'm just going to make this happen.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to force this. It'll be fine.
Speaker 3: I know best.
Speaker 1: I know best, But don't tell me that I have
Speaker 1: to like stop worrying. No, No, that a fundamental a feature,
Speaker 1: not a fraud. Right, So anyway on we move to
Speaker 1: see if next week maybe we will have more of
Speaker 1: the hatch drama and some sort of we seem to
Speaker 1: be moving to some something, and I doubt it's going
Speaker 1: to be. Well, I know it's not gonna be Syed
Speaker 1: killing him. I hope you're not thinking it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Syed killing him.
Speaker 4: It's no.
Speaker 1: Spoiler.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't think that.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how this particular thing played out. I
Speaker 1: know I know things about that character, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember this particular instance. Fix how he gets out of
Speaker 1: this jam other than just by you know, mentally manipulating her.
Speaker 4: Right she is.
Speaker 3: He's extremely.
Speaker 1: Sort of delightfully so. But you know, he and Dave.
Speaker 1: I'm seriously if they could have thrown Dave into the
Speaker 1: into the although if only Hurley is seeing them that
Speaker 1: would be difficult, but still Hurley could have brought him
Speaker 1: down to the hatch and said, could you lock the
Speaker 1: student he's trying to get me to jump off the
Speaker 1: cliff put.
Speaker 3: Him in there with a k Henry.
Speaker 1: I will be so glad when when we learn actually learn.
Speaker 3: His Yes, we can stop.
Speaker 1: Yes, Because I always think of him as the name
Speaker 1: that they eventually settle on. I have to keep thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: he's Henry, He's still Henry, Henry, Henry Henry in quotation, right,
Speaker 1: that guy not Henry. Yes, I'll just call him not
Speaker 1: Henry from now on. So next Tuesday, we will continue
Speaker 1: with season two, episode nineteen of Lost. Soos have they not.
Speaker 3: Tried this yet? Sending out ons? It's been like two
Speaker 3: three months?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in your first move. Guys, get the thought.
Speaker 1: I wonder who is sending the sos and to whom
Speaker 1: they are sending it. We shall see find out, We'll
Speaker 1: see you, and we will see you back here tomorrow
Speaker 1: to discuss running point, in which all the characters are
Speaker 1: actually there. We're pretty short. Sandy's boyfriend could be a figation.
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