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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how you doing come on in and have us

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I've been going over the photographs I took while

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<v Speaker 2>we were in Turkey, and I just posted a gallery

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<v Speaker 2>of photos from Darren Kuru and I got to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what a strange and eerie place. How they got

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand people to live in that situation is just

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<v Speaker 2>beyond me. And they call it a city, it's more

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<v Speaker 2>like an apartment complex. There were groups of people that

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<v Speaker 2>were led down into the different layers of this stone edifice.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because the first layer allows for animals

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<v Speaker 2>and for the goods, and there's a couple of kitchens

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<v Speaker 2>in there. But you keep going down further and further

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred feet, two hundred feet, three hundred feet, and

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it is not only is it claustrophobic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found myself a little nervous, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>just strangeness carved in the bedrock. It's completely carved, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not partially carved. It's every room, every corridor, every shaft.

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<v Speaker 2>There's waterways that go down. How they dealt with sewage

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<v Speaker 2>is beyond me. We were told that it would be

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<v Speaker 2>brought up human and animal sewage would be brought up

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<v Speaker 2>through ventilation shafts, which is kind of weird. And the

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<v Speaker 2>ventilation shafts are strange. I have a photograph of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the surface ventilation shafts that are somewhat protected from

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<v Speaker 2>the elements, and they go all the way to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom four hundred plus feet to the very bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>this of this city, of this apartment complex. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, I do have a little bit of claustrophobia.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was down in this thing and we were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, passing through layers and layers and going further down,

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<v Speaker 2>further down, it's a little disconcerting. It really is. It

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<v Speaker 2>really is nerve wracking. But somebody engineered the ventilation system

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<v Speaker 2>so that fresh, cool air passes to the lowest regions

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<v Speaker 2>of this city. And this is a piece of genius

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<v Speaker 2>because one of the big issues that I have discovered

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<v Speaker 2>in a number of other people mentioned is that when

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<v Speaker 2>you go into an enclosure like the Great Pyramid at Giza,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no air, there's no air ventilation. When you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the king's chamber, when you go to the queen's chamber,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're walking in the Grand Gallery, up the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>into these other chambers. They have no air and it

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<v Speaker 2>just shuts your system down. You have to force your

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<v Speaker 2>way into these other areas simply because it is hot,

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<v Speaker 2>it's humid, and the ale the air is stagnant. It's stagnant,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the body's natural recourse is to panic, which

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<v Speaker 2>is claustrophobia. You want to get the hell out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why a lot of people go into the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Pyramid and they're like, what the hell is this

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<v Speaker 2>all about?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And I have people that have joined us on tours

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, they get halfway and they had halfway

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<v Speaker 2>through and they want to go to the go back

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<v Speaker 2>out again. So darren Kuru is engineered in some strange

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<v Speaker 2>way where air is circulated through the deepest chambers. It's

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<v Speaker 2>cool air because you're underground. I think it was about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and two degrees on the surface. When we

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<v Speaker 2>entered the chambers. We had a wonderful guide who kind

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<v Speaker 2>of give us a short history. But you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>are cramped in there. There's no light whatsoever. There is candlelight,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's it. We had large areas. They even had

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<v Speaker 2>a church. They had carved in the second and third

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<v Speaker 2>level where people can meet and congregate, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>how they did this, why they did this. We still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how they survived decades down there.

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<v Speaker 1>And of all.

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<v Speaker 2>And of all the strangeness, twenty thousand people, twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people lived in this city, and I just couldn't figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. Again, the engineering is phenomenal. It's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly cut. Some of the rooms are a little dodgy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a work of brilliance in many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And the ventilation, this is the real question mark. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how they did it. It's cut, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>shaft they cut into the bedrock. The air is cool,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fresh, and it circulates in all the chambers. And

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<v Speaker 2>for me, this is a big issue. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say I have claustrophobia, but I don't like tight,

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<v Speaker 2>tight spaces for hundreds of yards, crawling down hundreds of yards,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what happens when you're in the Red Pyramid

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<v Speaker 2>or the Bent Pyramid, or you're going down the subterranean

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<v Speaker 2>shaft of the Great Pyramid. That thing collapses and you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's one hundred plus one hundred and twenty yards.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy to get claustrophobia because you're not getting air,

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<v Speaker 2>You're breathing stale air and you have to just force

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<v Speaker 2>your way down. But the darren Kuru is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a complete.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallery of these rooms of the group we were with.

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<v Speaker 2>There's even some strange car figures that are at the

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<v Speaker 2>entrance of this city darren Kuru. Now, we were told

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<v Speaker 2>that there are over six hundred access points along the

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<v Speaker 2>side of this entrance way, and this is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people have been going in and out of it for centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know exactly if it was used for.

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<v Speaker 2>Coverage from earth damage, perhaps the devastation its guests to

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<v Speaker 2>be the guestimant is around four thousand years old. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's significantly older simply because it was probably a

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<v Speaker 2>shelter for a devastated surface, probably uninhabitable surface and to

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<v Speaker 2>and the local lore is that it was used to

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<v Speaker 2>hide people from marauding warriors who would come in and

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<v Speaker 2>want to just kill everybody in the area and pillage

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<v Speaker 2>the place. So hard to say, but it is fascinating. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>Go to Facebook or to Earth Ages, either International or

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<v Speaker 2>the group page.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at these rooms. Look at the giant.

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<v Speaker 2>Boulders that were carved into wheel shapes to collapse and

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<v Speaker 2>protect people who were in the shaft's kind of strange.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have a couple of photographs of people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in these different rooms, which gives you an idea

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<v Speaker 2>of just how large they were and also the many,

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<v Speaker 2>many man hours it took to carved Darren Kourou. So

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<v Speaker 2>check that out and perhaps you can join us group.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to try to go again in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. If not, we'll go twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we definitely want to go earlier, perhaps late

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<v Speaker 2>spring rather than summertime, because the average temperature was like

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<v Speaker 2>one oh two, and that's just not good. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it just it's exhausting, it really is. So check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's program is Edgar Casey's Giants, and we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the hominins that Edgar Casey talks about. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>remember we've talked about the Akashak Records a number of

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<v Speaker 2>different programs, and Edgar Casey was the master observer of

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<v Speaker 2>ancient Earth through the Akashak Records, and he speaks on

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<v Speaker 2>the early hominins, the early hybrids that were created on Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>and how the energetics of the soul passed through, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're testing these bodies, these hominins, and through a period

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<v Speaker 2>of time. Eventually we're stuck in these bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that we're going to learn about today

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<v Speaker 2>is Homo sapiens are just one category. We know about

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<v Speaker 2>the dignificence. We know about Neanderthals, we know about Creo magnum,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's other offshoots, the Hobbits people, and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole series of experiments, which are the ape men

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<v Speaker 2>that we have seen in different museums and heard about.

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<v Speaker 2>So who were the giants and why were they created?

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<v Speaker 2>There's evidence of giants in the Bible, there's evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>giants in ancient Egypt, Sumeria. We see evidence of them

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<v Speaker 2>in South America. How did they migrate? Where did they

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<v Speaker 2>migrate from? Why don't we see giants today? There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of questions about the evidence of giants in North America,

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<v Speaker 2>most notably present day United States. We're gonna learn more

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<v Speaker 2>about these mound builders, who were many of them were

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<v Speaker 2>a race of giants eight feet to twelve feet some

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<v Speaker 2>places fourteen feet tall. That's a big human being. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about today the Kashik Records Edgar Casey, which

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<v Speaker 2>is always a great fascination, and early hominins and where

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<v Speaker 2>did the Giants Go? So today's program is Edgar Casey's Giants,

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<v Speaker 2>and my guest is author Jim Vieira. We're featuring an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible opportunity to visit one of the real enigmas of

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient world, and that is Easter Island in the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Ocean. This is a new tour that we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like this will probably be the only chance

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<v Speaker 2>we get to go because it's very challenging.

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<v Speaker 1>To get over there.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're lucky because doctor Edwin Barnhardt, our host and

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<v Speaker 2>our tour leader, has been surveying this island for over

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<v Speaker 2>a number of years and has some really amazing insights

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<v Speaker 2>on just how detailed and how complicated and how mysterious

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<v Speaker 2>this island is.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>March fifteenth through twenty third, I wanted to ask just

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<v Speaker 2>a brief question or two because I obviously have never

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<v Speaker 2>been there. I'm really excited to be a part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a highlight talk about the moai. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>number of them, aren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>There are so many moai there it's outrageous. You see

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<v Speaker 3>from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but

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<v Speaker 3>in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and

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<v Speaker 3>they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages

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<v Speaker 3>used to be. So we're going to go visit a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry

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<v Speaker 3>where almost all of them were made, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of them are still half made lying in the quarry.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing is just a sight to see how grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Briefly, and I didn't they have an observatory there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a planetarium or is it more of a

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<v Speaker 2>setup for evening sites.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man

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<v Speaker 3>named EDMUNDO Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of

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<v Speaker 3>the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty

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<v Speaker 3>years now. He knows more than anyone and he put

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<v Speaker 3>together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with

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<v Speaker 3>the visitors that come to the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is a week,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like we've really packed a lot in

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<v Speaker 2>during those seven days, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across.

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<v Speaker 3>There is an endless amount of things to see there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to it. Fantastic all right.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information to go to Earthancients dot com forward

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<v Speaker 2>slash tours. Look for the photo of Ed standing next

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<v Speaker 2>to one of the big Mai sculptures and registers as

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<v Speaker 2>you can again go to earthachents dot com forward slash tours.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Ed, Thank you Cliff. This week we're returning to

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<v Speaker 2>the subject of giants and we have Jim Vieira with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim is the co author of The Jians of Stonehenge

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<v Speaker 2>and Ancient Britain, and he also read another book called

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<v Speaker 2>Giants on Record with Huyton. Jim has also been on

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<v Speaker 2>a History channel, He's on television quite regularly. He's all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. But one of the reasons I'm bringing

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<v Speaker 2>Jim back is that he has done a deep dive

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<v Speaker 2>and actually done significant research on Edgar Casey. And we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Edgar Casey in the past. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>unique aspects of Casey is that when he would do

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<v Speaker 2>a reading, not only would he describe the individual he

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<v Speaker 2>is working with, he would present the background and the

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<v Speaker 2>details of that lifetime in great clarity. And what Jim

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<v Speaker 2>has done is he's done some research and continues to

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps some lineage of the giants throughout Earth's history. So, Hey, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>great to see you. Welcome back to Earth Agents.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice to see Cliff. I appreciate you having me on again.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, talk about your interest on Edgar Casey. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an easy one to really enjoy simply because of

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<v Speaker 2>his work, But what's the compelling interest?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when I was in this lifetime, my movie character

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<v Speaker 4>if you can believe it, I read a massive amount

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<v Speaker 4>of metaphysical literature. I read the Upanishads, Laotsu, like all

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<v Speaker 4>the non juistic masters, and I read a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>Casey's material. And I find that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>are interested in ancient mysteries, but they're also as a

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<v Speaker 4>gateway drug to get into metaphysics and spirituality to really

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<v Speaker 4>figure out, you know, what are we doing in time

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<v Speaker 4>and space? What is my eternal nature? Things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>So Casey is great because he got some things wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>He made predictions about the future that didn't come true right,

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<v Speaker 4>But he also has an astonishing track record of things

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<v Speaker 4>he should have never known about that that were posthumously revealed,

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<v Speaker 4>like in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A couple of years

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<v Speaker 4>after he died, he said the Nile flowed backwards, and

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<v Speaker 4>NASA proved that as well. So it's a great way

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<v Speaker 4>to view the past in an objective fashion. And I've

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<v Speaker 4>always been drawn to Casey because he's it's as simple

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<v Speaker 4>as it rings true and my intuition tells me there's

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<v Speaker 4>a story here, and you want to I want to

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<v Speaker 4>study the Casey material to see where it points and

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<v Speaker 4>then evaluate if he was correct or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, one of the things that I have found interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is you've actually gone to the offices in Virginia Beach

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<v Speaker 2>and read the full files.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, so when he was Yeah, So when.

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<v Speaker 2>You go there, do you actually have to get you

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<v Speaker 1>And what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>What do they do pull out a microfiche to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the reading or how how is it presented to you?

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<v Speaker 4>I was a lot to look at the uh, the

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<v Speaker 4>written records. I've spoken four times. The fourth time is

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<v Speaker 4>next month, I'm speaking again at the Casey Conference. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm friends with a lot, you know, John van Awkin

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<v Speaker 4>and Greg Little, Laura Little, a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 4>associated with with the Casey Foundation. I was just on

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<v Speaker 4>the Edgar Casey biography last year, the season premiere for

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<v Speaker 4>Ancient Aliens, which actually was very very good. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>friendly with They like me there because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you speak positively about Casey, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably why. But also you're a noted author. Ar E

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<v Speaker 2>stands for Association for Research Enlightenment and he I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it was launched in the thirties, right, nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Casey Casey's an interesting character. He was born at Hawkinsville, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 4>in eighteen seventy seven. His father was a minister. He

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<v Speaker 4>was conservative Christian in his waking life. But there's a

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<v Speaker 4>whole backstory there. I don't want to we don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to get into that. There's lots of information out there.

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<v Speaker 4>But what happened was that Casey's abilities were revailed to

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<v Speaker 4>him in a trance like state, in fact, cured his

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<v Speaker 4>own blindness to open the window on the Acashet records.

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<v Speaker 4>And this other realm, this repository of historical documentation that

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<v Speaker 4>other mystics like Rudolph Steiner talked about. So Casey at first,

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<v Speaker 4>when these messages and statements would come through the channel

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<v Speaker 4>that he was, he was very disconcerted because it taught

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<v Speaker 4>the source talked about reincarnation, lots of you know, past lives,

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus having a different makeup, Jesus more like an Eastern

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<v Speaker 4>mystic and a wisdom teacher than the wrath and the

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<v Speaker 4>fire and the brimstone you get out of what the

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<v Speaker 4>evangelical wing. So he was very destroyed by what came through,

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<v Speaker 4>but he ended up embracing it and just let the

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<v Speaker 4>channel work because a lot of what he did was

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<v Speaker 4>he became the godfather or the father of holistic medicine,

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<v Speaker 4>and he hailed so many people with alternative means. He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a benevolent source, and let's see what he

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<v Speaker 4>has to say about ancient mysteries as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk for a minute about his work. So

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<v Speaker 2>he would go into primarily a trance and this other aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what does he call this other aspect? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>a person or is it just his higher self that

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<v Speaker 2>would come through when he was channeling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he would go Gladys Davis was st and she

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<v Speaker 4>would write everything down and walk them into the state.

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<v Speaker 4>He lay on the couch. I think he crossed his hands,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the best way to describe it as

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<v Speaker 4>like a channel for a higher intelligence, okay, and he

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<v Speaker 4>would he would basically travel to like this ephemeral realm

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<v Speaker 4>of records, and I think there was like a Gandolf

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<v Speaker 4>like wizard there or something, or a record keeper that

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<v Speaker 4>would assist him and other people. Channel channelers and mystics

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<v Speaker 4>talk about tapping into this universal library as well. And

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<v Speaker 4>what it points out is the holographic nature of reality

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<v Speaker 4>because past, future, present are all happening in one present

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<v Speaker 4>state and everything is an emanation from the one. So

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<v Speaker 4>you that's why psychics work sometimes, and that's why you

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<v Speaker 4>have strange phenomena that seems to be doesn't work in

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<v Speaker 4>the cartoon model, because, like Michael Talbot wrote about, in

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<v Speaker 4>the holographic universe, it's all one eternal now that is

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<v Speaker 4>misperceived as past and future. That's why past lives people

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<v Speaker 4>have memories of different lifetimes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing that's fascinating to me and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear more from you on this is that he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to tap into this a Kashik field known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Akashik Records. We've had a number of people

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<v Speaker 2>on Earth, ancients talking about working with it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, and maybe you can help me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we hear.

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<v Speaker 2>About Rudolph Steiner, who perhaps was tapping into it. Helena

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<v Speaker 2>Blavaski who perhaps some of these early mystics were able

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<v Speaker 2>to cover parts of it, but not as thorough lee

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<v Speaker 2>as Edgar Casey, who seemed to go and would see

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<v Speaker 2>the person in a picture. But perhaps they're like little

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<v Speaker 2>frames of different lifetimes that he was able to look into.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the case of Casey, if someone was coming

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<v Speaker 2>to him and said, look, I have a degenerate disease,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a problem, he was able to tap into

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<v Speaker 2>a lifetime that maybe was influencing and causing the problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk a little bit more about the Hakashik records and

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<v Speaker 2>what Casey did to actually open this person's lifetime to

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<v Speaker 2>see it so clearly, I mean, no one else is

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<v Speaker 4>He was a super high being and one of his

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<v Speaker 4>own readings, he said that he was the Grand architects

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<v Speaker 4>of the Great Pyramid in ten thy five hundred BC,

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<v Speaker 4>and Hermes was an incarnation of Jesus, another as we know,

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<v Speaker 4>super high being. Now it's not a contest, but there

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<v Speaker 4>are beings, you know, Romano, Mahashi, Lautsu. There are spiritual

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<v Speaker 4>masters Mary Magdalene who basically liberate themselves from the confines

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<v Speaker 4>of the separate self and become the field, if you will.

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<v Speaker 4>So Casey was one of those beings who was who

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<v Speaker 4>was of a very high order, and his life shows

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<v Speaker 4>that he was thoughtful, he was kind, he worked tirelessly.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a servant of humanity like Tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>So Casey would see these impressions and he would read

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<v Speaker 4>other people of lifetimes in the state, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, oh, you have a thyroid disorder, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was like psychologically and comically tied to other lifetimes and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes like through lack of forgiveness through you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>have people that we gravitate towards and we resonate with,

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<v Speaker 4>and some others that we have dust ups with or

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<v Speaker 4>ill will towards. And through Casey's lens and other mystics,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like in other lifetimes you had experiences that weren't forgiven,

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<v Speaker 4>where you help grudges, or you were the bad guy

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<v Speaker 4>everybody thinks they're freaking Cleopatra, or you know some you know,

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<v Speaker 4>great Samarian God, but you know you have some other

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<v Speaker 4>lifetimes too, where you're on the wrong side of history.

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<v Speaker 4>So Casey would describe many holistic remedies, but also a

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<v Speaker 4>way of thinking about existence. If there's only one holographic reality,

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<v Speaker 4>then you forgive, not because you're so good, because you're

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<v Speaker 4>tying yourself to your own machinations, of your own temporary

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<v Speaker 4>and strange movie character. Right, you're no longer on the

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<v Speaker 4>hook for all the strange and embarrassing things that we've

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<v Speaker 4>all done. When you forgive, you forgive yourself for making

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<v Speaker 4>poor choices, and you forgive the other, and you break

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<v Speaker 4>the cycle of a lack of forgiveness, of judgment, of criticism,

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<v Speaker 4>of cruelty. And so Casey would prescribe basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a metaphysical system of forgiveness and thoughtfulness and service to others.

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<v Speaker 4>So I like that because he what he has to

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<v Speaker 4>I study as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying that he would recommend someone understand that

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<v Speaker 2>to forgive themselves as a way of releasing a illness.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, his jet, that was his general teaching. He would

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<v Speaker 4>room purple because it would have had this real hailing

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<v Speaker 4>effects on her, and it was very successful. He would

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<v Speaker 4>prescribe alternative substances and means and meditation and things like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I guess I'm talking about Yeah that I know

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<v Speaker 4>what you're getting at, But it's the general orientation that

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<v Speaker 4>he gave, like this is kind of the predicament we

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<v Speaker 4>find ourselves in, right, and this is a way out

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<v Speaker 4>like you had talked about earlier before we went on,

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<v Speaker 4>Like what in case you have to say about humanity?

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<v Speaker 4>He basically said that we are spiritual beings who fell

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<v Speaker 4>deep into matter and got stuck here with video game

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<v Speaker 4>characters that we misperceived are all we are. So we're

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<v Speaker 4>of existence, like roomy, beyond concepts of good and evil,

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<v Speaker 4>there is a failed I will meet you there, like

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<v Speaker 4>that's what you really are. But we're playing these bizarre

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<v Speaker 4>movie characters and we firmly believe that's all we are.

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<v Speaker 4>So he said that the five races, it was like white, black, yellow, red, brown,

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<v Speaker 4>were projected in different parts of the planet. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>why you have these different groups of people with different pasts,

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<v Speaker 4>if you will, and which is interesting. And I will

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<v Speaker 4>say this, there's a lot of like talk about racism

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<v Speaker 4>and at as. You know, like all the heat that

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<v Speaker 4>Graham Hancock has to put up with. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go to Egypt, for example. You're there and spare

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<v Speaker 4>it with your background. Like we told with Usef following right,

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<v Speaker 4>the Assyrian the Great Giza Plateau. Were they built at

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<v Speaker 4>that time? Were they guided by these gods? And then

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a skeptic, a pseudo skeptic, will say, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you think the Aliens built the pyramids. It's like I

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<v Speaker 4>talked to Jojo about this. It's like no, it's we're

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<v Speaker 4>saying that all these cultures say that the gods assisted them,

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<v Speaker 4>who were these strange beings, which you know, you talk

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<v Speaker 4>about amphibious and drugs and his gods a lot. So

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<v Speaker 4>the idea of you know, oh, it's racist and you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to take these achievements away from Indigenous people, it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>not at all. We're actually listening to indigenous wisdom and

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<v Speaker 4>trying to figure out the past through that lens. So

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<v Speaker 4>you might say it's a little overtly racist to ignore

418
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.720
<v Speaker 4>that like academics do. And then I will say, Casey

419
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.440
<v Speaker 4>said that the first red race to land in the

420
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<v Speaker 4>US was the Aroquois twelve thousand years ago. Now that's

421
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 4>not saying Nazi superman came and build all this stuff.

422
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 4>He's saying that it's like, you know, indigenous Native people

423
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 4>are tied to this lost continent, and you know, I

424
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 4>just want to put that out there because I deal

425
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of pseudo skepticism and debunkers and gate

426
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 4>kiders who keep throwing out that racist trope, and I'm like,

427
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 4>of course, neo Nazis and use all kinds of shit

428
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 4>like genetics, and they're always trying to prove some crazy,

429
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, master race theory and whatever I'm not going

430
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 4>to change their mind. Ye, but a lot of the

431
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 4>people in this these endeavors are not like are not

432
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 4>oriented like that, you know, Greg Little, Andrew Collins, Brahm, Hancock, Shock,

433
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.839
<v Speaker 4>They're not like that at all. They're they're like objective,

434
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.000
<v Speaker 4>open minded, and they believe in indigenous rights. So I'll

435
00:28:58.039 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 4>just throw that out there.

436
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally hear you.

437
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<v Speaker 2>One of the fascinations I have for Casey is that

438
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 2>he talks about the earliest periods of Atlantis, and I

439
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>remember reading how he and you brought it up to

440
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a little while ago, how man incarnated into flesh from

441
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the spirit world. Talk a little bit about that, and

442
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 2>then if you can't extend that into the various hominins,

443
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 2>perhaps Creole magnum, the dignificence, and then who we are today,

444
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Homo sapien sapien.

445
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<v Speaker 4>You have Lamuria in the middle of the Pacific, which

446
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.720
<v Speaker 4>Casey talked about, Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic,

447
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 4>just like Plato. I mean, there's different theories, and I'm

448
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 4>all for, you know, the Rittach structure antiotica, But if

449
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 4>you listen to Casey and Plato, Atlantis was probably near

450
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 4>the Canaries, the Azores and extended maybe Tubimity. It broke

451
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 4>up into different islands at certain times. He said, around

452
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 4>two hundred and ten thousand BC is when Atlantis was founded.

453
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 4>He says it like humans descending into matter. Others say

454
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 4>it was an extraterrestrial race, which is interesting because they

455
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 4>have all the attributes if you look at the nature

456
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 4>of the gods, and that's where Plato was pointing back

457
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 4>to Zeus and all the gods in Mount Olympus was

458
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the Atlantic. But anyways, you know,

459
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 4>Casey talks about Lomuria being settled about ten million years

460
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<v Speaker 4>ago basically by these beings who were ephemeral. They were

461
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 4>spirit beings, and they were very unsophisticated in a worldly sense,

462
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 4>and they got more and more trapped into matter. And

463
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<v Speaker 4>I think his date of cataclysm and destruction was fifty

464
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<v Speaker 4>thousand BC for Loamuria and Atlantis. His timeline was the

465
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 4>founding was like two hundred and ten thousand BC, and

466
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 4>there were three catachorism fifty thousand BC, twenty eight thousand BC,

467
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<v Speaker 4>and then the final the Young Edrias events twelve nine

468
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<v Speaker 4>hundred BC.

469
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<v Speaker 1>So you have.

470
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<v Speaker 4>Genetic engineers and androgynist gods in Atlantis that Casey talks about,

471
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<v Speaker 4>But as you go around the world, all these gods

472
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.079
<v Speaker 4>are androgynists. The Dogon of the Nomo people, Vericoca and

473
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:34.319
<v Speaker 4>his wife Fushi, and Nua in China, the Samearian gods

474
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.039
<v Speaker 4>are all androgynoists. The Egyptian gods are mostly androgynoists, and

475
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 4>they're creating humans on potters whales. They are genetic engineers.

476
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 4>Even in the pople Vu. We are created by this

477
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 4>race of strange genetic masters. Casey says in one hundred

478
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 4>and five thousand BC, Amelius, who was an incarnation of Jesus,

479
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 4>was a genetic engineer, and he as androgynists. So I

480
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 4>do this comparative analysis I read, you know, I have

481
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 4>no social life. So it's three in the morning and

482
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm reading like the Sumerian texts and the popol Vu

483
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 4>and everything I get my freaking hands on for like

484
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.880
<v Speaker 4>forty years now. I'm obsessed, you know, without hopefully being

485
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 4>objective as well. But the gods have talked about in

486
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 4>so many of these in this historical literature, you know,

487
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 4>Ugarritic text from Syria. All these really arcane sources are

488
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.279
<v Speaker 4>talking about the first siancesses being androgynists and the gods

489
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.960
<v Speaker 4>being androgynists, and Casey's all over that story. He's talking

490
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 4>about androgeny. It's just remarkable. Every ancient mystery that I study,

491
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Casey has all this input that lines up with all

492
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 4>these other sources. Now here's a guy with an eighth

493
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 4>grade education and he's talking about androgen He's talking about polydactylism,

494
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 4>he's talking about giants and mound builders. He has sixty

495
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 4>eight readings on the American mom Builders. And when we

496
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 4>were in school, we didn't even hear about the mom Builders, right.

497
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

498
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 4>That got me, That propelled me into these mysteries is

499
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 4>when I read Greg Little and John Van Hawkins's book

500
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 4>about the mom Builders. It's like, wow, if I don't

501
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 4>know this, and I thought it was smart. So Casey

502
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 4>has an amazing repertoire of knowledge about all these ancient

503
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 4>mysteries and the twenties and the thirties, and the dude

504
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 4>had like an eighth grade education, and he's remarkably accurate

505
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.160
<v Speaker 4>and lines up with what a lot of academics say

506
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.119
<v Speaker 4>as far as like what indigenous people say about the past,

507
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 4>The nature of Vericocha Vericocha emerges from like Titty Kaka.

508
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 4>He's married to his sister, Mama Cocha. There are shrines

509
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 4>all around like Tittycaka that existed where she's a fishtailed

510
00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 4>goddess like these other androgynists, amphibious gods found around the planet.

511
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 4>So to me, it's like it begs further investigation.

512
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<v Speaker 2>Where do you begin seeing patterns in Casey's readings where

513
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 2>we are introduced to giants. Now we know there's a

514
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of hints in genesis of certain giants, and you

515
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 2>and Hugh bring this up in your books Giants on Record,

516
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 2>But where do you find Casey actually presenting perhaps the

517
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>first evidence of giants.

518
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Casey's asked a specific question about the customs of the

519
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 4>inhabitants of Atlantis, and his one of his most famous

520
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 4>quotes is or transmissions, is that there were giants in

521
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 4>those days, men as tall as ten to twelve feet

522
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.840
<v Speaker 4>for giants existed in Atlantis, as well as little people

523
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 4>and regular sized humans like the modern prototype as well.

524
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 4>So his origin of the giants goes back to Atlantis

525
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 4>several hundred thousand years ago, and he talks about genetic engineers.

526
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 4>He talks about the sons and daughters of Light and

527
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 4>the sons and daughters of darkness in this war, and

528
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 4>that there was genetic engineering of creatures that he called

529
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 4>things that were like beasts of burden, excuse me, and

530
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.000
<v Speaker 4>that they were the like basically the workforce for these gods,

531
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 4>for the negatively oriented gods. And he says they would

532
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 4>when the Atlanteans landed in Egypt, like twelve thousand years ago,

533
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 4>they set up there was two temples, the Temple of

534
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 4>Sacrifice and the Temple Beautiful, where they would take these

535
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 4>creatures like you see all the walls and the Sumerian temples,

536
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 4>like these hybrid chimera like creatures and hail them in

537
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.320
<v Speaker 4>different ways using this kind of lost technology. So he

538
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.719
<v Speaker 4>gets into this whole story of these negatively oriented genetic

539
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 4>engineers that created I don't know if giants came of

540
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 4>that he didn't elaborate, or if they were just you know,

541
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 4>this is the thing that science hates the idea of

542
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 4>giants because it doesn't line up with evolution, right, And

543
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm not anti evolution. I would say you can see

544
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 4>it in nature, you could predict evolution, but as far

545
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 4>as humans are concerned, it's a different ballgame. There's a

546
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 4>lot in there that, like Darwin never really proved it.

547
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 4>He was basically trying to squeeze the round what is

548
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 4>it the square peg in the round hole when evolution

549
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 4>came to humans, Because what all the traditions state and

550
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.800
<v Speaker 4>what Casey states that is the genetic engineers, who I

551
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 4>would say, are these androgenous, amphibious gods they made the giants.

552
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 4>They were a miscreation, most of them that were malevolent

553
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 4>and just were destroyed, mostly in a cataclysm. Some survived,

554
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 4>as we know through the Bible. But they also created

555
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 4>the first humans as well, and we were first created androgynous.

556
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.199
<v Speaker 4>Yahweh creates Adam androgynists in the first genesis. Then they

557
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 4>create male and female the pople Vu Kuko Khan Gooku

558
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 4>mats He creates the first humans androgynists. The Navajo traditions,

559
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 4>we are created androgynis and then we basically are a

560
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 4>match for the gods and they don't like that. And

561
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 4>as Plato shows, as Aristophanes displays the myth of the

562
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.280
<v Speaker 4>ancient androgen Zeus, the androgenost god cuts us in half.

563
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 4>So we run around like losers, look at for other

564
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, the female or male half our whole lives,

565
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 4>but we're dumb down. Smoke is blown into our eyes.

566
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 4>Babylon falls and they scatter the languages. These engineers are

567
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:02.840
<v Speaker 4>effing with us and rolling humanity. So have you ever

568
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 4>had Paul Anthony Wallace on He's scheduled this fall awesome

569
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 4>the Eden books totally. So him and I have interacted

570
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 4>and he has drawn the same conclusion. He's he was

571
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 4>a former archdeacon in the Anglican Church for thirty two

572
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.679
<v Speaker 4>years and then he came around to have this different

573
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 4>version of the Bible and what the stories that it's telling.

574
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 4>He's extremely eloquent and intelligent, and you'll you'll love interviewing him.

575
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 4>I say that because he's really opened up in a

576
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 4>scholarly way the story that I've been chasing for a

577
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 4>couple of decades and now stunting to write about about

578
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 4>the ancient engineers. So to wrap it all up, these

579
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 4>are these When you get into natural evolution, it's like, yeah,

580
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 4>the giants don't fit there, because if they're real, if

581
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 4>this story is true, it's the gods and the engineers

582
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 4>who created the giants and destroy them as well, and

583
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 4>they created Homo sapiens because I'll quickly say, I don't

584
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 4>want to get along with it, but we are a

585
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 4>strange creature. It seems like we're a byproduct of like

586
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 4>an aquatic and a horminade or something. I know, sitch

587
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 4>and talk someone about that. You know. It's like you

588
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 4>want to spend a month, you know, and the h

589
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 4>and I'll ask a wilderness. You know, we're not made.

590
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 4>You get sunburned, and like humans seem out of place.

591
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 4>I'll just say that. And with bizarre creatures, with all

592
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 4>these neurological and psychological hang ups as well, it's just

593
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 4>just saying, man.

594
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, We're going to take a short commercial break to

595
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<v Speaker 2>allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return

596
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>shortly with my guest today, Jim Vieira, speaking on Edgar

597
00:39:47.000 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Casey's Giants. We'll be right back. My guest today is

598
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<v Speaker 2>author Jim Vieira, who has studied the life of Edgar

599
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Casey and most notably his readings on ancient Atlantis and

600
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:46.039
<v Speaker 2>thousands of years before that when man was created and

601
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<v Speaker 2>many of the hominins, the creatures that were test subjects

602
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 2>on planet Earth. Hey, our mutual friend Andrew Collins writes

603
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>a great deal about the Inficens. He believes that they

604
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 2>were primarily teachers at places like go Beckley, Teppe, that

605
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>they're found throughout Europe and perhaps their offspring are some

606
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>of the mound builders. Do you get a sense that

607
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Casey presents giants and can we trace them to the

608
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>dignificence in a historical reference?

609
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 4>Casey talks about well, so Andrew and Hugh and I

610
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 4>we talked about Denise Evan's right when they were found.

611
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<v Speaker 4>Denis Evans were a human cousin that interbred with Neanderthals

612
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 4>and humans going back, I think two thousand and seven

613
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 4>in the Ultai region was the first discovery. Anyways, they

614
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 4>found a little finger bone, but then they found a

615
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 4>tooth that was so large they thought it was the

616
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 4>tooth of a cave there, right, So they sent it

617
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 4>to Max Plank. It gets sequenced and it's revealed that

618
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 4>it's this human cousin who went to bread with humans

619
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 4>and weed and talked about when they start finding bones

620
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 4>of disease events, they're probably going to be massive. And

621
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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years ago a skull showed up in

622
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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen at the University of Beijing a Chinese farmer

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<v Speaker 4>found this massive skull, hit it down a well in

624
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<v Speaker 4>the thirties when the Japanese were coming in, so they

625
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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't like take it sent On his death, bet he

626
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<v Speaker 4>told his grandson take it to the scientists at the

627
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 4>University of Beijing, see what the hell this is. So

628
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<v Speaker 4>it's this massive harmined skull and it's They said it's

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<v Speaker 4>homolongee like a new species, but we believe it's firmly

630
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<v Speaker 4>a Denisovan skull, and Chris Stringer noted an anthropologists. He said,

631
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<v Speaker 4>it's the largest Homo skull he's ever seen. So you

632
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<v Speaker 4>got a massive ancient skull associated with the denise Evians.

633
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<v Speaker 4>We don't have any of the long bones yet, so

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<v Speaker 4>if we get.

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<v Speaker 1>On display, Jim, is that skull on display in China?

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<v Speaker 4>Good. I've seen images of it that the scientists released,

637
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 4>but I don't think it's on display. But all the

638
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 4>measurements are there. But it's interesting because you know, I'm

639
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 4>not no stradomist, but we said, like, if this story

640
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.760
<v Speaker 4>holds true, you probably need to get some massive bones.

641
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<v Speaker 4>So Casey didn't specifically talk about the denise Evans and

642
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<v Speaker 4>the study of the past archaeology, history, anthropology. It's not

643
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 4>incontrovertible science like the mathematics that makes your cell phone work.

644
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 4>It's educating guesses about the past. So you know, we

645
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<v Speaker 4>try to take in all this information and you know,

646
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<v Speaker 4>I would say for me, for Hugh Newman, for others,

647
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 4>it's like we approach it like I like to think,

648
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<v Speaker 4>like an academic wood with like a rigorous dive into

649
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 4>these subjects. But we're open to oral traditions as well.

650
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.920
<v Speaker 4>We're open to mystic sources to point a different direction.

651
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<v Speaker 4>And the Denise Evans pose a mystery. Are they a

652
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<v Speaker 4>philed genetic experiment? Like you talked about chro Magnon. There

653
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 4>are some who believe that chro Magnon, who are unusually

654
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<v Speaker 4>tall and very sophisticated, showed up in Europe like thirty

655
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<v Speaker 4>thousand years ago, right, And they're associated with the Magdalena

656
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 4>cultures and the Salutarian sometimes, and they might be an

657
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 4>Atlantean race that showed up after a catachalism. But they

658
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<v Speaker 4>you know, when you talk about levels of sophistication they

659
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<v Speaker 4>presented those in their cave are and their tool making.

660
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<v Speaker 4>That doesn't mean, you know, they have toast Rovens. It

661
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<v Speaker 4>means that, you know, we have a spiritual technology at

662
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<v Speaker 4>work here. So I'll just say that Casey talked about giants.

663
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<v Speaker 4>He has many readings where he called the mound builders.

664
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<v Speaker 4>He said they the original mound builders, came up from

665
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<v Speaker 4>Mesoamerica and blended with Native cultures. Those are the tall ones,

666
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<v Speaker 4>the beings found in the mounds by the Smithsonian's agents

667
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.559
<v Speaker 4>and others, the wisdom keepers, positively oriented wisdom keepers who

668
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<v Speaker 4>were exceptionally tall, and he said they are of a

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<v Speaker 4>race that was much taller than the people of the time.

670
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<v Speaker 4>So that's why archaeologists will study the bones of many

671
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<v Speaker 4>Native American tribes and say, yeah, they were a little

672
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<v Speaker 4>bigger than Europeans, but they weren't giant sized. These giants

673
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<v Speaker 4>that elongated their skulls that don dragoul webon snow anthropologists

674
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 4>and the fifties found their bones very robust, massive jaw

675
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 4>bones over seven foot tall. That's a different thing that's

676
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<v Speaker 4>going on through the lens of the Casey readings and

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<v Speaker 4>through the lens of oral traditions of Native Americans as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really kind of a challenge, but it seems

679
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<v Speaker 2>like Casey's story of geneticists creating these different races, experimenting

680
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<v Speaker 2>with them to see.

681
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<v Speaker 1>If they would survive on Earth.

682
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, you get giants, you have the Hobbits, the

683
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 2>small race of Homo Sabian type of people. You have

684
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Neanderthal chromagnet and nodgnificence. It's really strange.

685
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<v Speaker 1>What's going on here.

686
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<v Speaker 2>It's like they are creating these these beings and.

687
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<v Speaker 1>Seeing if they survive are not. It's kind of like,

688
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 1>there's it's weird.

689
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.719
<v Speaker 4>What's going on, Absolutely weird. It's a bizarre thing. But

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<v Speaker 4>excuse me. When you listen to the Casey material, it

691
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 4>starts to make sense of all the very strange and

692
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.039
<v Speaker 4>specific and ubiquitous occurrence as you see around the world,

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<v Speaker 4>Like why would the Samerians draw all these composite creatures

694
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<v Speaker 4>all over their temples? Why would Barosis talk about, you know,

695
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 4>this time of darkness and these basically creatures that are

696
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.440
<v Speaker 4>genetically engineered. You've been to Egypt on the walls of

697
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 4>so many temples, you have these composite creatures, and what

698
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 4>are they up in meso America? There are they a

699
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.480
<v Speaker 4>function of genetic engineering. It's a very simple premise. It's

700
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<v Speaker 4>like the dogon people say in Mali Africa, one of

701
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<v Speaker 4>the oldest oral traditions on the planet. They say that

702
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 4>these androgynous, amphibious gods, they're all brother and sister, husband

703
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 4>and wife, twins, self fertilizing, they show up, they create humanity,

704
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 4>their genetic engineers. And that's a story found around the world.

705
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<v Speaker 4>So the only question is do you believe it or not.

706
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's not these cultures that have no contact,

707
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 4>they're saying the same thing. It's very bizarre, it's very specific.

708
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<v Speaker 4>The universe is filled with life. I bet there's stories

709
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.239
<v Speaker 4>all throughout history. And even Carl Sagan says this is

710
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 4>a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, the idea that these Apkalu and

711
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 4>the Samarian gods appear to be the best case for

712
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 4>extraterrestrial intervention. He says that in his book in the sixties,

713
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 4>and he talks about it being a perfectly reasonable hypothesis

714
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 4>that deserves further investigation. So I go with there's not

715
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.960
<v Speaker 4>a lot of Sagans left in the scientific world. There's

716
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.159
<v Speaker 4>a lot of flint dibbles and hoops from Kentucky, I

717
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 4>mean from Kansas. I don't want to like take a

718
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 4>run at anyone, but they're not like when you're an archaeologist,

719
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:21.719
<v Speaker 4>it's like you're a cop, right.

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00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.440
<v Speaker 4>To earn the deserve respect, you got to take a

722
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<v Speaker 4>lot of heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, imagine the shit I've caught for doing the show

725
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 4>about giants. If I say something's natural not man made,

726
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 4>the true believers take a run at me. So you

727
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.000
<v Speaker 4>got to keep you cool, right, and if you want respect,

728
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 4>you know, like the criticism Hancock, it doesn't start off

729
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 4>with well. Actually, one of the main arguments against this

730
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 4>hypothesis when Mark Lerner sat down with Robert Shark about

731
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<v Speaker 4>the geological dating of the Great Sphax is that there

732
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 4>is nothing contemporaneous with twelve thousand year old date. No

733
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 4>one beholds that hash Tepla region. I know you've been there,

734
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.559
<v Speaker 4>go backley Tepe. What emerges is a super civilization of

735
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 4>megalith builders. And then the a team of scientists highlights

736
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<v Speaker 4>the cataclysm, the younger dries impact events that Hancock talked

737
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 4>about as well. And you could say, I don't believe

738
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>that Gunana Padang and Indonesia is that old. I don't

739
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 4>think you Yanaguni is this and that. That's fine, but

740
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 4>to like insult him, like he's a pseudo scientist and

741
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 4>a super archaeologist. It's completely unfounded. Yeah, Like that's why

742
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 4>people they read that as a contry, as a conspiracy,

743
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 4>because they're like these gatekeepers, these pseudo skeptics, they're not

744
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 4>reviewing objectively these things that we present. They're in fact

745
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.480
<v Speaker 4>insulting us. And I work with a lot of professionals

746
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.920
<v Speaker 4>and that are very cool, and you do too, I

747
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 4>know that. So it's like, hey, Flint Dibble, you're losing

748
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 4>the audience here. You're being at dank, you're being in

749
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 4>know it all, and you're smacking of like this lead,

750
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 4>this vibe of insulting people who are interested in you,

751
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 4>faeled So. But when you're in an echo chamber, I'm

752
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:11.840
<v Speaker 4>sure his feed is filled with, you know, just these

753
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 4>echo chamber ideas that. And when you're intelligent like that

754
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 4>and you have PhDs and stuff, you believe your own

755
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 4>press a lot more than a layperson too. So I'm

756
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 4>just pointing out these dynamics because people are talking conspiracy

757
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 4>all the time, Like there's plenty of conspiracies, but a

758
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.679
<v Speaker 4>world of archaeologists isn't covering up evidence. But the gatekeepers

759
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.320
<v Speaker 4>and the pseudo skeptics are definitely in the business of

760
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 4>denigrating others who present these these alternative theories.

761
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can spend a whole program on Flint and

762
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<v Speaker 2>Hancock's debate on Rogan's program, but I don't want to

763
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>go there.

764
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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I just want to lay that out the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I totally hear what you're doing. Does

766
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<v Speaker 2>Casey present any references to giant civilizations that produced and

767
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.280
<v Speaker 2>noted in individual I mean biblically.

768
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 1>I could say the story of the giant who fought

769
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the kid Goliath Goliath, but we don't know, we.

770
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<v Speaker 2>Don't have a sense of where his people were, what

771
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:20.559
<v Speaker 2>culture he derived from, or if he's just an anomaly.

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<v Speaker 4>A great point. The Bible mentions giants like twenty three

773
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 4>different times and in historical eras, and like you know,

774
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Moses sens the scouts out and they come back and

775
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 4>they you know, I don't know, it's the anachem of

776
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 4>the refaem they interact with, but they were grass grasshoppers

777
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 4>in the size you know, they they There's all kinds

778
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 4>of giant races in the Holy Lands, you would think

779
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 4>two thousand BC and further back Casey talks about giants

780
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 4>in Atlantis. He talks about giants among the mad Builders,

781
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.119
<v Speaker 4>but he doesn't give that. You know, I wish you

782
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 4>would reincarnate again so I could ask them a bunch

783
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 4>of questions, because yeah, holes in the timeline, and I

784
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.000
<v Speaker 4>know what you're getting at. But what I'll say is

785
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 4>like yahweh in the Bible, just like Vericoca in Peru,

786
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 4>they create a race of giants and they destroy most

787
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 4>of them in a cataclysm, but some survive and the

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00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 4>refi em have extra digits. The giant of Gath has

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00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 4>six fingers and six toes, and in fact, I'm writing

790
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 4>a book about that phenomena around the world. Extra digits, Now,

791
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 4>what does this have to do with It's a rare

792
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 4>genetic condition polydactylely, it's called some humans have extra digits,

793
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 4>but it's not associated with gigantism. So you find it

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<v Speaker 4>all around the world, isolated Pacific islands, giant hands and

795
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<v Speaker 4>feet carved by indigenous people. In fact, Professor Paltz hasan

796
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<v Speaker 4>A couple of years ago, you probably saw the article

797
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<v Speaker 4>the oldest narrative in the world was found in the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian Outbank. Right excuse man.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have.

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<v Speaker 4>All these the pleiatees and all these different traditions of

801
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 4>the Australian Aboriginal people, but also giant feet like three

802
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 4>foot with six toes. And Tassan says and he wrote

803
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 4>a paper about it too, that around the world, when

804
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.159
<v Speaker 4>you find feet with extra digits, they're always huge, They're

805
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 4>always giant sized. And you find that in the American Southwest.

806
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.199
<v Speaker 4>You find isolated Pacific islands like Kiarabate, you find giant

807
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 4>feet with six toes. And then you go to Botswana,

808
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.599
<v Speaker 4>Matt saying, the place of emergence for the San people

809
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<v Speaker 4>very important. Matt Singh shows up and he has six

810
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:50.719
<v Speaker 4>toes and he's giant, and they're impressed. Right there, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not saying he walked on the you know, into the

812
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.480
<v Speaker 4>granted two hundred million years ago. I'm just saying there

813
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.599
<v Speaker 4>are footprints, giant footprints. And then the oldest seas on Earth,

814
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 4>Ian Ghazal, Jericho, Jordan, Yeah, I know, Ian Gazal and Jordan,

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<v Speaker 4>and go Beckley Tepe, Carahuan Teppe. They display polydactylism. Right

816
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 4>you've been to Carahan Teppe. You have the pillar with

817
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.679
<v Speaker 4>sixteen digits and then you have the oldest narrative found

818
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 4>in the world as well, Uh, the little dude in

819
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<v Speaker 4>the middle, and it was recently found. There are two

820
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<v Speaker 4>figures on that panel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's Krahan Teppy, the little the little body exactly

822
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<v Speaker 2>on the upper edge of the temple.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's two beings found and they both have six fingers.

824
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<v Speaker 4>And Professor Karouhle, who excavated from Turkey Krahan Tepe, said

825
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 4>the humanoids always have extra digits nuver five.

826
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Right.

827
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 4>So I'm studying this thing for like thirty years and

828
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 4>writing about it, and in real time, I'll give a

829
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 4>quick I'll talk my game up for a minute. Me

830
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.400
<v Speaker 4>Hugh and my brother were pitching the show maybe to Discovery.

831
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 4>Our team a couple of years ago called megalith Men, right,

832
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:17.079
<v Speaker 4>and some of the episodes were about. At the time,

833
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 4>Krahan Teppe had not been excavated, so we knew the

834
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 4>farmer there Hugh had ben I mean, the guy who

835
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 4>won the lands. He had been to the site. We

836
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 4>wanted to hire a contract archaeology team to excavate Kirahan Tepe,

837
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.360
<v Speaker 4>and in the script what we wanted to find was

838
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:40.400
<v Speaker 4>extra digited beings, double headed idols that show the androgynist

839
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 4>gods that are written about in academic papers from Allen Gazelle, Katala,

840
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 4>Hayuk and all these other ancient places in Turkey. And

841
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 4>then the Turkish government beat us to the punch. They

842
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.400
<v Speaker 4>excavated and what did they find. They find this statue

843
00:55:56.440 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 4>with sixteen digits. They found the double headed idol that

844
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 4>was written about and talked about in the academic circles,

845
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 4>representing either the first androgenist humans or the androgenist gods.

846
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.480
<v Speaker 4>So that's pretty cool, and that shows me intuitively, I

847
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 4>believe I'm on the right path. You know, I'm no

848
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Edgar Casey, but my intuition is like, there's something here,

849
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.719
<v Speaker 4>there's a story here, and the thing that had been

850
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 4>studying for freaking thirty years now is showing up at

851
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.559
<v Speaker 4>the oldest sites in real time on Earth. It's quite

852
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 4>remarkable for me, and I hate testimonials, but this is

853
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 4>like a rail in time discovery. So what does extra

854
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:40.079
<v Speaker 4>digits mean? Were we androgynenists? Did engineers create humans? Those

855
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 4>are legitimate questions, and if somebody doesn't buy it, that's fine.

856
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 4>You know, if somebody wants to insult they can f

857
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.480
<v Speaker 4>off at the same time. You know, it's like, these

858
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 4>are the traditions of ancient peoples. Let's give them their

859
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 4>run and let's see if they have something to do

860
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:53.239
<v Speaker 4>with reality.

861
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, you know, you and Hugh and most

862
00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 2>of the people on the program rarely talk about YETI

863
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 2>or Sasquatch, who has been documented. I mean from the footprints,

864
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 2>these are huge hominins and they must weigh you know,

865
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred pounds or more. Do you see any kind

866
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 2>of parallel of these beings because no one can get

867
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 2>a we get bits and pieces of them, but no

868
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 2>one's got a skeleton.

869
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 4>Yes, my read would be it's what Casey said, it's

870
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 4>like a byproduct. Casey said specifically that beings were created

871
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 4>as beasts of burden, and a lot of people who

872
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 4>study I know, I've spoken a big Foot conference, as

873
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:43.559
<v Speaker 4>I've been on expedition Bigfoot with Russell Accord and the

874
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 4>guys there, and I believe that or it seems like

875
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 4>it's a function of genetic engineering, like it's a creature

876
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 4>that appears like a you know, like a giant ape.

877
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.559
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it behaves in different ways as if it's

878
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:02.440
<v Speaker 4>like a soul trapped in a in a different body, uh,

879
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.400
<v Speaker 4>in a in a huge ape like body. And you

880
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:10.119
<v Speaker 4>know Casey talks about the creation of these beings as

881
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:12.199
<v Speaker 4>bes of burden. You know, ahib do you.

882
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Think there are the race of workers and that's why

883
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>they're so hesitant to be around us. They don't want

884
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.960
<v Speaker 2>because we could we could spell uh you know, imprisonment

885
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 2>or enslavement.

886
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.519
<v Speaker 4>Again, I guess absolutely it could be the case. It

887
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.960
<v Speaker 4>sounds bizarre, but so many sightings, so many impressions Patterson film,

888
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 4>there's a story there. What the hell is it? Are

889
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 4>they multi dimensional beings? I get, you know, breeding populations,

890
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:39.119
<v Speaker 4>and I get the the arguments about well, we need

891
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.639
<v Speaker 4>to see this and you should, we should be skeptical

892
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 4>until I say a body is found or DNA evidence.

893
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 4>I get that. But it's a phenomenon and I think

894
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.840
<v Speaker 4>in demand's hypothesis, and I think that's as good as

895
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 4>any if you're because like to me that what one

896
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.559
<v Speaker 4>of the big draws is like every Native you can't believe.

897
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:05.159
<v Speaker 4>I've encountered so many Native elders, a Mohawk elder a

898
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks ago, and it's like, oh yeah, my grandfather,

899
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.800
<v Speaker 4>he'd never stopped talking about the giants. You got a

900
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 4>cliff a friend, Clifford Mahoudi, the late Zuni elder, who

901
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 4>I spent a lot of time with. It's like giants,

902
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 4>extra digits. We were talking androj and as gods of

903
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:23.119
<v Speaker 4>the Zuni people, just like everywhere else. It's just amazing.

904
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 4>He talked about themia. These same themes come from the

905
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 4>Hopi and the Zuni, and the Apache and the Navajo.

906
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.159
<v Speaker 4>And I'm here on the East coast. It's like Mohawk.

907
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.159
<v Speaker 4>All the different tribes here tell the same story. So

908
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.800
<v Speaker 4>they're talking about these creatures like Bigfoot, they're talking about giants,

909
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 4>they're talking about little people, and they match with the

910
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:49.199
<v Speaker 4>traditions of isolated groups all around the planet. Is that

911
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.159
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? Just like that alone, it's

912
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.559
<v Speaker 4>like I don't have a time machine. I don't know

913
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:55.400
<v Speaker 4>what the hell is going on. I can only glean

914
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 4>from all these sources. But can you really be a

915
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.239
<v Speaker 4>coincidence that there's no evidence, I mean, there's no story here.

916
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 4>That seems illogical, that seems like bad science. And the

917
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.000
<v Speaker 4>thing is it has to be forced through the lens

918
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 4>of evolutionary theory. Yeah, so when that happens. It all

919
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 4>polls apart. It's like little people, you know, I get,

920
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 4>I can get the hobbits, but I'm not getting down

921
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 4>with like, you know, these little people from Ireland or

922
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:27.559
<v Speaker 4>the native tribes out in the west, that bighorn medicine whale.

923
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm not getting down with giants, especially because there's a

924
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 4>cultural war happening where the academic world it's kind of

925
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 4>a left wing atheistic cults and you have like a

926
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:41.159
<v Speaker 4>religious side that's more evangelical and they have their own

927
01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:46.039
<v Speaker 4>I would say shortcomings where they believe without objectivity, but

928
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:49.880
<v Speaker 4>you have like the view of the academic world. These

929
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:56.079
<v Speaker 4>ideas are are anti evolutionary, anti science, racist oftentimes. So

930
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 4>that's where we find ourselves is being thrown into this

931
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.960
<v Speaker 4>mix where you know, I don't have a SS tattoo

932
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 4>on my neck. I like to think of myself as

933
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.880
<v Speaker 4>moderate and reasonable. I'm not trying to prove some you know,

934
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Nazi superman theory. The point is that you have a

935
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 4>dynamic that precludes objective investigation of oil traditions and other

936
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.559
<v Speaker 4>ancient documents that I think is a misstep.

937
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Amazing these giants that Casey speaks about must have been

938
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.199
<v Speaker 2>an intelligence because we see them in Europe. You and

939
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Hugh have written extensively about the European giants. Definitely in

940
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 2>South America and of course the United States. They migrated

941
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to North America and became the mound Builders.

942
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 1>But are they in China?

943
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Are they in other unique areas that we know about,

944
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:58.239
<v Speaker 2>and as much as well as you can explain where

945
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.119
<v Speaker 2>they went because we have no evidence of modern day

946
01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:06.440
<v Speaker 2>cultures or people that are you know, anything bigger than

947
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like perhaps seven feet which is a basketball player today.

948
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But you know, when we look at the Mound.

949
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Builders skeleton remains, these guys are in the teens fourteen fifteen,

950
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.079
<v Speaker 2>eighteen feet tall and above.

951
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 1>And that whole group is gone.

952
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 4>Yes, there are. First of all, virtually every culture has

953
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 4>legends of giants, reports, these historical documents. Almost every mega

954
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:38.079
<v Speaker 4>ethic site on Earth is associated not only with giant

955
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 4>skeleton war and mythology, but actual accounts of giant bones

956
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.159
<v Speaker 4>being found, like a Nan medal and ponnape in the

957
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:47.400
<v Speaker 4>middle of the Pacific.

958
01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:48.719
<v Speaker 2>You have.

959
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:56.280
<v Speaker 4>This ubiquitous story but backed up by similar occurrences. To

960
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:00.400
<v Speaker 4>your point, people have raised different theories like in the

961
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 4>past there was more oxygen. Right that like we have dinosaurs,

962
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.000
<v Speaker 4>we have mamos, we have where I lived, there were

963
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.559
<v Speaker 4>like giant frogs as big as like VW's and stuff

964
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 4>like that. You have megafauna and mega fauna and flora.

965
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 4>So is that part of the story, like there was

966
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 4>a cataclysm change if you get into the work of

967
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 4>like the Thunderbolt Society David Talbot, I believe like Saturn

968
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:29.559
<v Speaker 4>had a different place in the sky, right, it was

969
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.320
<v Speaker 4>a golden age that was disrupted by a cataclysm. Could

970
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 4>that you know? Could a lot of what we're talking

971
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:40.559
<v Speaker 4>about and pointing to is in the late Pleistocene there

972
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 4>were more giant beings that got destroyed, and then you

973
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:47.840
<v Speaker 4>have these bloodlines that existed and continued. Ross Hamilton talks

974
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:52.159
<v Speaker 4>about that he's the godfather of giantology. And to your

975
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.000
<v Speaker 4>point is like there's two stories here. There's one of

976
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:57.880
<v Speaker 4>the wisdom Keepers, the seven and the eight foot tall

977
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Speaker 4>native people who show up and teach the arts of civilization.

978
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:03.880
<v Speaker 4>They show up in the British Isles. And then there's

979
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:08.119
<v Speaker 4>a story of giants who are malevolent that Vericocua destroys,

980
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:13.719
<v Speaker 4>that Yahweh destroys, where the ancient wars. There are codices

981
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:16.800
<v Speaker 4>the one in the Vatican that you've seen around the

982
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.079
<v Speaker 4>internet where there these toll tech indigenous people killing this

983
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 4>probably like twelve foot giant, and there are legends of

984
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 4>that where they're cannibalistic and they're unruly. And when you know,

985
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:29.159
<v Speaker 4>I sit down, I talk to a lot of Native

986
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.800
<v Speaker 4>people and I just find, you know, not to diss

987
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 4>our culture, but there's a lot more integrity there. There's

988
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 4>no like grifting awareness. There's like these traditions are important

989
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.719
<v Speaker 4>to this, to us, and this is exactly what has

990
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:45.079
<v Speaker 4>been said for generations. And they all say like, oh yeah,

991
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:48.280
<v Speaker 4>could be the late place to see. Twelve thousand years ago,

992
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.800
<v Speaker 4>our ancestors encountered giant beings. They were a holes, They

993
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:56.679
<v Speaker 4>like attacked our tribes, they were cannibalistic. I didn't make

994
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:57.960
<v Speaker 4>this shit up, you know what I mean. It's just

995
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 4>like I get all this heat like a giant guy,

996
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:04.559
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I'm just and like, can if could

997
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.519
<v Speaker 4>you indulge me for a second after you've indulged me

998
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:11.760
<v Speaker 4>this entire time? I know, I want to say that

999
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:18.039
<v Speaker 4>we did a show about giants, and the complete the

1000
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.239
<v Speaker 4>thrust of it was that the Smithsonian says that the

1001
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 4>largest skeleton they have in their collection is a six

1002
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.800
<v Speaker 4>six foot three Soue Native American with acromegali. Right. So,

1003
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:35.480
<v Speaker 4>in episode two, we go to Stalleville, Missouri, excuse me,

1004
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:40.800
<v Speaker 4>Huckett's Cave, right, nineteen thirty three front page of the

1005
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 4>Saint Louis Dispatch. They find an over eight foot skeleton there.

1006
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.480
<v Speaker 4>We found the location, Billy Harmon found it. We did

1007
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.880
<v Speaker 4>all the due diligence. We in fact found an image

1008
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:53.920
<v Speaker 4>in the microfilm that was on the front page of

1009
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.280
<v Speaker 4>the Staleville Ledger and the Saint Louis Dispatch. They show

1010
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 4>six and a half foot less eaten lay next to

1011
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.239
<v Speaker 4>this like eight and a half foot tall skeleton. And

1012
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.400
<v Speaker 4>then we find an article that says it was shipped

1013
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 4>to the Smithsonian after being wired together by university and

1014
01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Missouri archaeologists. Right, So they received that they were they

1015
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.519
<v Speaker 4>asked for it. They specifically asked to have the skeleton

1016
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.719
<v Speaker 4>said to them. So I'm not saying, you know, maybe

1017
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 4>there was a conspiracy and maybe they destroyed the bones.

1018
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Maybe there's a freaking vault of giants. I don't know.

1019
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying we came in at it. With that approach,

1020
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 4>we was success. Oh you didn't find anything like I'm

1021
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:33.119
<v Speaker 4>gonna find a like an eight foot skeleton live film

1022
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:34.920
<v Speaker 4>and go dig up like a native mom.

1023
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:35.320
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1024
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:37.679
<v Speaker 4>It's like we're telling the story and we're doing a

1025
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.239
<v Speaker 4>due diligence. Yeah, basically proved that there's a story here.

1026
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:44.559
<v Speaker 4>There is a story here, and we have the film,

1027
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:48.079
<v Speaker 4>we have the proof, we have all the documentation from professionals.

1028
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:49.920
<v Speaker 4>So I just want to throw that out there because

1029
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.559
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people like, oh, you're a loser, you

1030
01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 4>believe giants. I'm like whatever, Yeah, I'm just a guy

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<v Speaker 4>who's obsessed with this. But I am not dogmatic. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not really just yeah, you know, so I just want

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<v Speaker 4>to throw that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, author Jim Vieira.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back shortly.

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<v Speaker 5>Never met someone like you, I felt something like you touch.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish we would have met soon. Sure of our

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<v Speaker 5>love is in my past all live I've had a

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<v Speaker 5>plast but none of them, No one could have you.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody's close to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Jim Vieira, who has made a

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<v Speaker 2>study of the various writings of Edgar Casey and what

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<v Speaker 2>he has discovered and describes as early Earth civilizations. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the Smithsonian in a minute,

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01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 2>because there's some very odd behavior among the so called

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01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 2>archaeologist anthropologists at the turn of the century and collecting

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01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 2>these giant bones. But before we go there, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a guy on the program who wrote a book called

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<v Speaker 2>Expanding Earth, and his belief was that Earth was closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the Sun in different phases, and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>the dinosaurs were able to grow at such a huge

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<v Speaker 2>size because the gravity level of Earth was much less,

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<v Speaker 2>and so these land animals and reptiles were a megaton monsters.

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<v Speaker 2>We see the skeletal remains of Trantosaurus rex. We see

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<v Speaker 2>these huge reptiles that weigh a huge amount of a tonnage,

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<v Speaker 2>and the thinking is that if there were humans, they

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<v Speaker 2>would have been giants around that time. This is millions

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<v Speaker 2>of years ago, obviously, but through some cataclysmic event in space,

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01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:20.479
<v Speaker 2>Earth was bumped or was pushed away two separate times.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy believed, he's an engineer, that the mankind

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<v Speaker 2>has changed physically and physiologically over a period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you does Casey talk about that at all?

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<v Speaker 4>He talks about cataclysms, but he doesn't specifically state that.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's a great theory, and that's that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. There's one thing is that these theories, they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to make it through the gauntlet of the academic

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01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.399
<v Speaker 4>world with lots of biases, lots of confirmation bias. When

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<v Speaker 4>Velakovsky wrote Rolls in Collision, and all he was doing

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01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:03.399
<v Speaker 4>was clearly stating the these traditions, these the halls of

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<v Speaker 4>Valhalla and the two twins left their stations at the

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<v Speaker 4>globe and the earth flood. You know, you can clearly

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<v Speaker 4>see that there's a story of cataclysm there. And he

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<v Speaker 4>was like derided and censored and now find the ruined

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01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:19.520
<v Speaker 4>career ruins right, it's like, you know, grow up, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like you don't believe in that's five. But that is

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<v Speaker 4>see that reads this conspiracy once again. So you you're like,

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<v Speaker 4>you look at the past and it's completely different. And

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<v Speaker 4>I guarantee you there were celestial changes, there were cataclysms.

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<v Speaker 4>There are you know, you go up in the Andes

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<v Speaker 4>and you find seashells and you're like, you know, was

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<v Speaker 4>there just a massive cataclysm? You know where where mountains

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<v Speaker 4>are you know come up overnight? Is the Grand Canyon

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<v Speaker 4>and the Great Lakes where they just formed into cataclysm

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<v Speaker 4>in a quicker amount of time than we think, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just quite you know, Great Salt Lake. Where did that

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<v Speaker 4>come from? There are all legitimate questions, and I deal

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<v Speaker 4>with open minded geology all the time. We say that,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think that makes sense. There was more oxygen

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<v Speaker 4>in the air, there was different orientation. Yeah, that's a

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01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 4>very sensible hypothesis for a very controversial topic as far as.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to hard to prove because obviously it's a huge

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, landform to to have to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>if Earth is expanding continually. But this theory is now

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<v Speaker 2>being taken out by astrobiologists who believe that this is

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<v Speaker 2>part of being uh a planet. Is the natural growth

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<v Speaker 2>of a planet is to keep expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>So very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>As we come to the conclusion, Jim, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about some of the work that

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<v Speaker 2>you have identified in the Mound Builders. I think it's

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01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:57.039
<v Speaker 2>in one of your early books you document a Spanish

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01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 2>conquistador coming through Florida and meeting a giant family part

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01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:07.039
<v Speaker 2>of a tribal group in that area. Talk a little

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01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.920
<v Speaker 2>bit about that story, and it was I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was also a mound builder too.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was de Soto who encountered Tuscaloosa in Alabama

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<v Speaker 4>and his son, and they were both absolutely enormous, like

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<v Speaker 4>eight and a half feet tall. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>every early explorer you can name, from John Smith to

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<v Speaker 4>the Spucci, Magellan and Patagonia, Sir Francis Drake, they all

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01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:42.359
<v Speaker 4>encountered enormous native peoples. And this once again the academic

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01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 4>idea is that, yeah, you know, the natives are probably

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<v Speaker 4>like five a five ten, and they were much taller

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<v Speaker 4>versus the five two five for three Spanish and English.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, that's not what they're talking about on his knees,

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01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.439
<v Speaker 4>this giant towered overall of people. You know, these are

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<v Speaker 4>these are explorers trained in the outer observation, the chronicles

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<v Speaker 4>of writing it down. It's the absolutely and you go

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<v Speaker 4>to Patagonia and we have this in our book. Francis Cook.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that was Frederick Cook. In the eighteen nineties

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<v Speaker 4>he met with the Owner tribe in Patagonia and they

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<v Speaker 4>were absolutely enormous. The entire tribe. There's pitches. We have

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<v Speaker 4>six ft six women of that a massive bone structure,

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<v Speaker 4>seven to seven six males. They wear like animal skins

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<v Speaker 4>and they get the voice of bulls and their traditions.

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<v Speaker 4>They came from a continent in the Atlantic and the

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<v Speaker 4>Pacific that sank, and that's where their ancestors came from,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were wiped out by the English. They were

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<v Speaker 4>all killed in these genocidal wars that happened. To your point,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the tall ones, a lot of these

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<v Speaker 4>indigenous people that quite possibly were much taller than normal

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01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:56.119
<v Speaker 4>de humans, were you know, eradicated you, along with so

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01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.239
<v Speaker 4>many native people of disease and warfare and stuff like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think when you're talking about if twelve and

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen foot giants were in fact rail, they existed in

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<v Speaker 4>a different age quite possibly, you know, back tens of

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01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:13.319
<v Speaker 4>thousands of years. I don't know, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of evidence there was seven, eight, and even nine foot

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01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:19.600
<v Speaker 4>tall individuals that didn't have disease conditions that existed right

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<v Speaker 4>up until the modern age.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think one of the most important things that any

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01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:28.600
<v Speaker 4>of us can do is admit when you're wrong. Is

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01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.800
<v Speaker 4>to realize when you are not being objective, not hearing

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01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.199
<v Speaker 4>both sides of an argument and taking all the information.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I first started out, I was defensive and

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01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:44.840
<v Speaker 4>combative because I just caught so many insults and things

1150
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.359
<v Speaker 4>were untrue that about the data that I was presenting.

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01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, and it didn't get it didn't get

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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 4>evaluated objectively, So that pissed me off. But then I

1153
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:59.119
<v Speaker 4>come around like there's a holes everywhere. It's just like politics.

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01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:00.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, people were in bed in this position right

1155
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:03.920
<v Speaker 4>and they are the cult like thinking. It's like the

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01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.000
<v Speaker 4>two party system blows by the way. We should have

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01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:09.279
<v Speaker 4>like five parties. I kind of like RFK Junior for instance.

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01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:11.479
<v Speaker 4>You know we were we grew up. It was like

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01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:13.600
<v Speaker 4>a shrine in the Kennedys where I grew up in Boston,

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01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:17.479
<v Speaker 4>my MLK Bobby and John. But now you know, the

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01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.359
<v Speaker 4>Democratic Party sucks, the Republican Party sucks. You know, it's

1162
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:23.880
<v Speaker 4>like they're just corrupt. They don't represent people who want

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01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 4>to like help humanity, people who want to be thoughtful,

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01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.239
<v Speaker 4>and people who want to better world. They're just like whatever,

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01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get a long with what I'm

1166
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.560
<v Speaker 4>trying to say is like, in these debates about ancient mysteries,

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01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.119
<v Speaker 4>realize when you're in an echo chamber. Realize when you're

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01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.439
<v Speaker 4>part of the true believers, or you're part of a

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01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.079
<v Speaker 4>kind of an atheistic academic cult as well, because you know,

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01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.880
<v Speaker 4>the thing about a cult is you don't think you're

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01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:56.279
<v Speaker 4>in when when you're you're in one. That's my rant.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm curious.

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01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I had Greg littele on and he wrote this massive

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01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.680
<v Speaker 2>encyclopedia of the various mounds.

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01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen that book?

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01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:09.880
<v Speaker 4>I got it. Yeah, it's amazing.

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01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:13.680
<v Speaker 2>And he has a he had a graph in that

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01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:18.039
<v Speaker 2>book that literally shows I think it's something around four

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01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand mounds from New York to like San Francisco,

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01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.239
<v Speaker 2>from the West East coast to the West coast. And

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01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering, has it ever been your theory that perhaps America,

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01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the United States, North America.

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01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Was the land of the giants?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, there's like was this some origin? We we talked

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01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.039
<v Speaker 4>about that, and I think both books Hugh Hugh gets

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01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.279
<v Speaker 4>into that. Hughan Norman gets into like was this the

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01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.239
<v Speaker 4>only end of the giants? To they go else where?

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01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 4>We have from this place you know, Native Americans would

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01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:53.560
<v Speaker 4>tell us something like that. And Greg. Greg's brilliant. He's

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01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:58.560
<v Speaker 4>a PhD educator, right, yeah, so he's well versed in

1191
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:02.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, the actorld, but he is open to ideas

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01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:08.000
<v Speaker 4>about casey and and and different, yeah, controversial topics. And

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01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:12.079
<v Speaker 4>he wrote this mom builder encyclopedia, which is brilliant and

1194
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.880
<v Speaker 4>I've used it in a lot of my travels and

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01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 4>it begs the question. There was absolutely there were so

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01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:21.479
<v Speaker 4>many accounts. Uh, it's mind numbing. It's like, can these

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01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 4>all be hoaxes? They're buried obscurely in these voluminous texts.

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01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.199
<v Speaker 4>They're certainly not all headline grabbing.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:35.039
<v Speaker 4>There are giant beings buried with burial techniques that we

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01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:38.199
<v Speaker 4>know about in context with artifacts of the time. So

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01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:40.800
<v Speaker 4>they're not animal bones, they're not mastered on some of

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01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:45.279
<v Speaker 4>them might have been Excuse me, there's a real story.

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01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Here is the moral of the story. Along with the insults,

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01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.520
<v Speaker 4>I received an amalgam of ideas and theories why this

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01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.640
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be true? These are all these These are hoaxes.

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01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:02.600
<v Speaker 4>These are headline grabbing, sensationalist headlines.

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01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, you're telling you the mouse are fake?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it just suggesting and now well that that that

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01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:14.199
<v Speaker 4>all these giant accounts are somehow right. I'm sorry, giant

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01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.199
<v Speaker 4>accounts they go in with the mold builders because there's

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01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.479
<v Speaker 4>so many accounts of giants. Uh, these are animal bones

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01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 4>and and I make you know, a lot of arguments

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01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.680
<v Speaker 4>against them, like no, no, that's not at all, that's

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01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:27.840
<v Speaker 4>a small percentage, you know, disarticulation, faulty regret, regression formulas.

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01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm open all those ideas. So you have a real

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01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:35.119
<v Speaker 4>mystery here, and I think it's just worth thinking. You know,

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01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:37.920
<v Speaker 4>science should be thinking about different things differently, like your

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01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:40.439
<v Speaker 4>boy you were talking about with a different theory of

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01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:44.000
<v Speaker 4>the past. Maybe the celestial bodies moved in different ways.

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01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.479
<v Speaker 4>Maybe the indigenous people are right, and we were genetically

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01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.000
<v Speaker 4>engineered almost sapiens were you know, you know, you get

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01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.319
<v Speaker 4>the you got canoe, the androdynis ram headed guard and

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01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.279
<v Speaker 4>he's cooking up humans on a freaking potter's whale on

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01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.279
<v Speaker 4>the temple of Zna. Is that in Prometheus does the

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01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:03.720
<v Speaker 4>same thing with Epithemius as twin brother. Those are just

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01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.439
<v Speaker 4>ephemeral missing legends or the age you know, is the

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01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:11.199
<v Speaker 4>age of the gods rail because They're all described in

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01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:18.079
<v Speaker 4>the same fashion, with multiple ways of specificity across cultures

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<v Speaker 4>that had little no contacts. I know, I'm a freaking

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01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:24.399
<v Speaker 4>broken record, but that is like, wow, holy shit, that

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01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:29.399
<v Speaker 4>rings true, or it is something worthy of further investigation,

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<v Speaker 4>like my boy Carl Sagan once said, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hey, as we conclude, Jim, how should we look

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01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>at the Acachek records. I mean, I've had authors on

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01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the program who say, oh, anybody can tap into them.

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01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.640
<v Speaker 2>All you gotta do is meditate and tweak. It's like

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01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.359
<v Speaker 2>or they want you to visualize that there's a librarian there.

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01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, where does the fantasy.

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01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:56.319
<v Speaker 5>Leave?

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01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.800
<v Speaker 2>And you get connected to this library because as I

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01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:03.680
<v Speaker 2>have this, I mean there's techniques, but I think it's

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01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:04.199
<v Speaker 2>all crap.

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01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Frankly, Uh, it's a you raise a great point. That's

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01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.640
<v Speaker 4>why I like Casey because there was very little ego

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01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.279
<v Speaker 4>distortion in his readings, right, they seem to come through

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01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:19.239
<v Speaker 4>and I'm not to you know, I have friends who,

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01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:21.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, claim to read the Cashunk records and they

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01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.880
<v Speaker 4>seem like very well intentioned. And the thing is that

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01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, there's no pay review in the alternative world.

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01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:33.880
<v Speaker 4>That's another thing. That's another kind of difficulty because there's

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01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:37.520
<v Speaker 4>a lot of bullshit artists and grifters and the alternative realm, right,

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01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.039
<v Speaker 4>because it just is, you know, we're gonna name anyone,

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01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.760
<v Speaker 4>but and there's well intentioned people who you know, they

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01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:45.760
<v Speaker 4>they kind of want to believe, you know, they want to.

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01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:47.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to admit I was wrong about this.

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01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:50.319
<v Speaker 4>I got a crowd of loyal follows that I can

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01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 4>throw content to.

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01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.039
<v Speaker 1>There's no oversight, I know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So that being said, like, look at the person,

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01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.319
<v Speaker 4>look at the orientation, look at the information presented. I

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01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:07.640
<v Speaker 4>think Casey's the best read there is as far as

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01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:11.319
<v Speaker 4>that's concerned. But there are Mondi people who seem to

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01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.720
<v Speaker 4>have psychic abilities. Now all are movie characters. You know.

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01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:18.039
<v Speaker 4>It's like I'm good at stone work, I suck at golf.

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01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I can't take care of my basic needs. We all

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01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 4>got strengths and weaknesses, right, And for me, I studied

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01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:28.279
<v Speaker 4>with an enlightened spiritual teacher, and I've studied, I've done

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01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:32.039
<v Speaker 4>a million Eyahuashka ceremonies and hung out with wisdom keepers.

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01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.399
<v Speaker 4>And the takeaway is from all the enlightened masses road

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01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:40.520
<v Speaker 4>human history is that you are exists as a perfect field.

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01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:43.439
<v Speaker 4>Nothing you do in time and space can add a

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01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.920
<v Speaker 4>subtract to that kind of blissful divinity. And in fact,

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01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:51.319
<v Speaker 4>the universe of time and space is a false, temporary

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01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:55.640
<v Speaker 4>projection from the field, a thought experiment like prodigal sons

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01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:57.640
<v Speaker 4>and daughters, Like what the hell would it be like

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01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 4>to create on our own? It's actually pretty shitty experiment

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01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:04.720
<v Speaker 4>if you look around. But that's the way it's portrayed

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01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:07.840
<v Speaker 4>by the spiritual masters. So like if anybody's listening is

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01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:12.079
<v Speaker 4>into like spirituality, it's like read Maharshi Raman of Maharshi,

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01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.960
<v Speaker 4>read out to read the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus, read

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01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.000
<v Speaker 4>the Apocryphon of John, where Jesus talks about the one

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01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.319
<v Speaker 4>like he's an Eastern mystic, and they're all saying the

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01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:27.520
<v Speaker 4>same thing, like take a deep breath, don't get carried away,

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01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:31.720
<v Speaker 4>because our happiness is contingent sometimes on the externalities, the

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01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:34.800
<v Speaker 4>state of the world. I got money in my bank account,

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01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:37.119
<v Speaker 4>I lost my job. It's like chill out. View this

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01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:40.159
<v Speaker 4>trans personally. My teacher would say, you got many lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like forgive release, don't be a victim of the

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01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.279
<v Speaker 4>world because you know the idiot who cooked it up

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01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:50.239
<v Speaker 4>in the first place, and that's how to stomach I

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01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:53.199
<v Speaker 4>get that, but you know, to the lodge of point.

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01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.880
<v Speaker 4>I always like to end on a metaphysical note. It's

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01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:59.560
<v Speaker 4>just like everything's cool. Just meditate and breathe, try to

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01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:02.520
<v Speaker 4>be helped, will try to forgive, and then you'll start

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01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:07.920
<v Speaker 4>to feel less judgment and less irritation, less anxiety, and

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01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.319
<v Speaker 4>then these ideas will come. Then other lifetimes will probably

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01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:13.800
<v Speaker 4>start coming to you where you don't have a vested interest.

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01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:18.000
<v Speaker 4>They just come because you're not putting a false reality

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01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:19.600
<v Speaker 4>ahead of your divinity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, how do we work with these past lifetimes, Jim?

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01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>If we're physical beings now and all the past lifetimes

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01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:31.560
<v Speaker 2>are either running consecutively in other dimensions or whatever, how

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01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>are we supposed to access and utilize those lifetimes?

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01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:40.479
<v Speaker 4>Great question. It's like through quantum forgiveness. It would be

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01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.319
<v Speaker 4>the course of miracles would call it. If you feel uneasy,

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01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.159
<v Speaker 4>if you feel you have a challenge with someone, it's

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01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:51.119
<v Speaker 4>like you forgive the situation. You don't try to prove

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01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.239
<v Speaker 4>your right. If you're not meant to interact with the person,

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01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.039
<v Speaker 4>you'll just drift away. You bless them, you wish them well.

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01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:04.119
<v Speaker 4>That because there's only one holographic mind. When you've forgive

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01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.760
<v Speaker 4>this lifetime, you're not getting your freaking head cut off

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01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.920
<v Speaker 4>in the Middle Ages. You're not, you know, creating more

1314
01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:13.399
<v Speaker 4>comma in another lifetime because it's a holographic reality. That's

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01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:15.720
<v Speaker 4>what the mystics would say. So how do you do it?

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01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.600
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have to be like, oh, I was the

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01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:19.680
<v Speaker 4>temple priest and I was writing this. It can be

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01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.840
<v Speaker 4>as simple as like, oh, my son and I have

1319
01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:25.279
<v Speaker 4>had some problems lately. You know, I'm going to forgive

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01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 4>that I see a political figure that it drives me

1321
01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:32.520
<v Speaker 4>nuts on the TV. I'm going to forgive that. It

1322
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:35.319
<v Speaker 4>sounds like some New Age bullshit, but it isn't. It's

1323
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:37.880
<v Speaker 4>like forgiveness is where it's at. It's not like, oh

1324
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm so good, Oh my heart hurts, and it's like, no,

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01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.640
<v Speaker 4>you forgive because your natural state is not a lunatic

1326
01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:48.720
<v Speaker 4>or a sociopath that is embedded in all this addiction

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01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.960
<v Speaker 4>to outrage. That's why social media blows and it's the

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01:24:52.039 --> 01:24:56.520
<v Speaker 4>lowest level of hell. It's because the algorithms addict you

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01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:02.920
<v Speaker 4>to outrage. The weaponize your preference. Forgive, do some push ups,

1330
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.439
<v Speaker 4>go outside. You know what I'm saying, buy my book,

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01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:11.920
<v Speaker 4>listen to you. So the moral of the story is

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01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:14.199
<v Speaker 4>don't take it so seriously, and it is not a

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01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.640
<v Speaker 4>cop out. I'll end on this if you don't mind

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01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:20.439
<v Speaker 4>people like they reiterate this line, like when good men

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01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 4>and women do nothing, evil thrives. It's like Ramana Maharshi says,

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01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:29.640
<v Speaker 4>the greatest social activist in human history, does billy anything

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01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.920
<v Speaker 4>compared to the monk meditating a cave, because the monk

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01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:35.920
<v Speaker 4>in the cave is hailing or the person who forgives

1339
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:41.359
<v Speaker 4>is hailing the mind that is projecting a psychotic universe

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01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:45.119
<v Speaker 4>that needs to be hailed through the level of the mind,

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01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:47.399
<v Speaker 4>not on the screen of the world. So you go

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01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:49.960
<v Speaker 4>by the rotary. It's like free guys of you know,

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01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:55.680
<v Speaker 4>pro Israel. It's like the forgiveness. And I know people

1344
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.239
<v Speaker 4>hate this idea, but look at your own life and

1345
01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:02.079
<v Speaker 4>all the shit you haven't forgiven. Act kindly, be helpful, forgive.

1346
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 4>That is where the rubber meets the road, and that

1347
01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:08.720
<v Speaker 4>heals the mind that is having a sleeping delusion of

1348
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.520
<v Speaker 4>this acid trip we call life. That is not life.

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01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:15.359
<v Speaker 4>So that's my that's my fake guru advice.

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01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, Swami Jim Vieira has been wonderful to hang with you. Man,

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01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:22.880
<v Speaker 2>We appreciate it.

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01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:24.399
<v Speaker 1>What's coming up for you?

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01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Worre?

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01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Can people? You got a TV show coming up? Or

1355
01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>a book? What's what's where can people see you?

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01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:30.159
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:33.279
<v Speaker 4>I am coming up with a book right now. I'm

1358
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:35.840
<v Speaker 4>gonna drag Hugh and Hugh Newman into it to help

1359
01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:39.680
<v Speaker 4>me about polydactylism. I think people who were interested in

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01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:42.800
<v Speaker 4>ancient mysteries will dig it. It shows it's a lot

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01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.439
<v Speaker 4>of my style, Like every corner.

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01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Of the globe is like, see it in sculptures, Jim,

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01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>are you saying you see it in skeletal remains.

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01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:56.399
<v Speaker 4>Actually iconography, rock art statues.

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01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But physically do we see skilter?

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01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, only normal sized people. I haven't like.

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01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's a real oddity when someone was born

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01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>with six digits exactly.

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01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:11.479
<v Speaker 4>This is it's associated with the divine, the supernatural and giants.

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01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:16.680
<v Speaker 4>And once again the story is like wow, that's all

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01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:19.399
<v Speaker 4>I could say. And and it's taken a long time

1372
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:21.479
<v Speaker 4>and I just you know, we'll float it out there

1373
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:24.079
<v Speaker 4>and see what the what people say. Most of our

1374
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.720
<v Speaker 4>books get five star reviews on Amazon. I think people

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01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:32.279
<v Speaker 4>appreciate our approach. I'm speaking at the Edgarcasey Conference October.

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01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Give us the dates for that, Yeah, go ahead.

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01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.640
<v Speaker 4>I think it's October second and third. It's the Ancient

1378
01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Mysteries Conference. Uh, it'll be a good one. Once again,

1379
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.199
<v Speaker 4>it's always Uh, you know, that's a great crowd, that's

1380
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.800
<v Speaker 4>a great place to go. Please join me there if

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01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:46.159
<v Speaker 4>you can.

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01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:47.319
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:50.359
<v Speaker 4>We got some pitches out to networks. I haven't done

1384
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:52.520
<v Speaker 4>my own show. We were supposed to do a third

1385
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:55.119
<v Speaker 4>Rown Oak and then COVID Hit. I've been on a

1386
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.199
<v Speaker 4>bunch of other shows, Laurence fishburn William Shatner. I've been

1387
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.600
<v Speaker 4>on Ancient Aliens like the last five years.

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01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh you were unexplained recently Yeah, yeah Shattner, Okay.

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01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:10.079
<v Speaker 4>Shouting the show and Fishburne show about Stonehenge and yeah

1390
01:28:10.960 --> 01:28:13.880
<v Speaker 4>the Lost City Me Hugh Andrew Collins did last year

1391
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:17.840
<v Speaker 4>about Krahn Tepe, the Edgar Casey biography. We did that.

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01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:20.520
<v Speaker 4>That came out excellent, So people can look that up

1393
01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:26.640
<v Speaker 4>getting on Amazon or whatever. But yeah, I think I hope, uh,

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01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:28.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, to get another show, not just a pair

1395
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:30.560
<v Speaker 4>on other people's shows, because I think there's a lot

1396
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.319
<v Speaker 4>of you know, I'm a freak. I run my mouth

1397
01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:35.399
<v Speaker 4>a lot, but you know, I like to think we

1398
01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:39.439
<v Speaker 4>always have skeptics and and yeah, skulls on our shows.

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01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:41.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm not like Echo Chamber guy. I'm open to, you know,

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01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:44.520
<v Speaker 4>go toe to toe with any debate. It's just I

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01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:48.800
<v Speaker 4>think there's another story humanity, and I hope some execs

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01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:49.560
<v Speaker 4>sees at is too.

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01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just keep bad, I keep pumping out content. Man,

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01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>it's fantastic. Hey, Jim, always a pleasure. And you have

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01:28:56.920 --> 01:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a great fall and winter, and we'll see you again.

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01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.319
<v Speaker 4>Thanks a lot, brother, Yeah, good to see you as well,

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01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.119
<v Speaker 4>and keep up the good work. You get a lot

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01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:08.359
<v Speaker 4>of rave reviews that are well deserved. So be well,

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01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:08.800
<v Speaker 4>my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as I think of the Akashik records, I

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01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:20.399
<v Speaker 2>have this thought that at some point maybe someone will

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01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>be able to tap it and figure out some way

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01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:29.159
<v Speaker 2>to bring it into a visual format like on on

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01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>a monitor as TV screen or who knows, some way

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01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:40.479
<v Speaker 2>to see it visually. Because Casey was able to see

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01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>it through his higher self and he doesn't remember it

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01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:49.439
<v Speaker 2>as a as Edgar Casey himself he remembers it as

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01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:53.159
<v Speaker 2>a higher being, a higher self, and speaks it, and

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01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>then it was written down for the actual recipient of

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01:29:58.119 --> 01:30:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the reading. So, you know, and we've talked about the

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01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Acachhik records. I'm firmly of the belief that Tesla brought

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01:30:07.000 --> 01:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>it through. And I've mentioned this before. If you've studied

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01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Tesla's work and you know about the Warring Cliff Tower,

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01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>his idea behind that tower was to create free energy,

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01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to have towers I think it was every so many miles,

1426
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>and through the collective of these towers, he charged the

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01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:35.159
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere with electrons of some type that would power aircraft,

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01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:40.039
<v Speaker 2>that would power boats and automobiles. And you know, it's

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01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>just fascinating to think if he had been able to

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01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:47.039
<v Speaker 2>do that, what a revolution that would have been, especially

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01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>in the early turn of the century, nineteen thirties, forties.

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01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:54.399
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it was before its time. And I

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01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's one of the big issues, is that when

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01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:02.039
<v Speaker 2>a scientist or a writer or a creative person brings

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01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:04.319
<v Speaker 2>through a device.

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01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:07.239
<v Speaker 1>An invention of some kind.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Cashik records, it's determined, you know, on some scale,

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01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>if it's acceptable for that timeframe, it's almost like there's

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01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>an overseer, Yes you can bring it through, No, it's

1440
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:25.199
<v Speaker 2>not ready to be manifested, or yes you can bring

1441
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:30.319
<v Speaker 2>it through. Yes it's time for a new invention.

1442
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Now.

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01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I think about that, and I also think about, you know,

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01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the disease process that we deal with right now, Why

1445
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>don't we have a cure for cancer? We all know

1446
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>there's been literally tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of

1447
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>billions of dollars thrown into the research in finding different cures.

1448
01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I think this is my opinion only that because the

1449
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>United States is such a marketing paradigm and that's not

1450
01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>a good thing, that they don't really.

1451
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Want to cure.

1452
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>They want to kind of lead us on with remedies,

1453
01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>with maintaining. I've had a number of people that I

1454
01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:19.439
<v Speaker 2>know with the diagnosis of cancer, and the drug therapies

1455
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>are to keep people alive as long as possible, even

1456
01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:28.039
<v Speaker 2>if you've been diagnosed with the terminal illness, they just

1457
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.239
<v Speaker 2>keep they keep you going, They keep you going.

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01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:32.439
<v Speaker 1>There's really and I don't know.

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01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you talk to a doctor, and I have

1460
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:38.279
<v Speaker 2>lots of friends that are doctors, and I speak with doctors.

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01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>They would never admit that because you go into medicine

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01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to be a healer, you think you are. But as

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01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:47.479
<v Speaker 2>my cousin said, you know, you take pharmacological studies.

1464
01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>You study.

1465
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You don't study the energy field. You study the disease

1466
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:58.319
<v Speaker 2>packed body. The whole thought process of allopathy is so screwy.

1467
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, the Akashik field, the Akashak database, is a

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01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>fascinating subject. Will continue talking about it. And I mentioned

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01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:11.079
<v Speaker 2>this to James. You know, you guys have been listening

1470
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to Destiny, you listen to Earth ancients, and we'll have

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01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.199
<v Speaker 2>people on this said, yeah, you can tap into it.

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01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>You can close your eyes and meditate. Well, you get

1473
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:26.199
<v Speaker 2>you gotta shift, you know. I don't know if it's

1474
01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you need to take some ayahuasca or some d MT

1475
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:32.600
<v Speaker 2>or something to shift and then hold the residents, hold

1476
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the space to walk among these archives.

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01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1478
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:42.359
<v Speaker 2>And we still don't know how the Akashuak records appear.

1479
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Is it a sensation?

1480
01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Is it that you or know you're there?

1481
01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:49.439
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? You know?

1482
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've had a lot of people on the

1483
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:56.239
<v Speaker 2>program as well as Destiny talking about the Akashik records.

1484
01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:01.359
<v Speaker 2>So it's still something that's not quite within our realm.

1485
01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I think we tap into it. As a writer, former illustrator,

1486
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it's somewhat like the muse with this this

1487
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>h when you're tapped in and you are rolling and

1488
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:19.399
<v Speaker 2>you're flowing, and you're writing music and you're writing with

1489
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:24.720
<v Speaker 2>great conviction and elegance, and you're painting and you're tapped in,

1490
01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:30.279
<v Speaker 2>that's the muse that has a place within the Cashing

1491
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:36.079
<v Speaker 2>records as well. So fascinating subject and to hear from Jim.

1492
01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Was always fun. It's always a fun interview.

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01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Hey, we have one tour left in the year. It's

1494
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:48.079
<v Speaker 2>our Sacred Temples of Mexico. It's November eighth through the seventeenth.

1495
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:51.359
<v Speaker 2>It's coming up real quick. We got roughly another few

1496
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>weeks before we're gonna cap it and say we're done

1497
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>with taking registrations. This is a fun tour simply because

1498
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're in the Uni, it says it's very close.

1499
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.359
<v Speaker 2>It's only a few hours in the plane. And we

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01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:08.840
<v Speaker 2>have this colonial city as our base, which is Merida, Yucatan, Mexico.

1501
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:14.439
<v Speaker 2>What is fascinating, what is special about Yucatan is it

1502
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>is home to some of the largest, most complex and

1503
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:22.960
<v Speaker 2>wonderful Mayan cities from the ancient past. And I got

1504
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to tell you, if you've never climbed a pyramid, we

1505
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>climb pyramids, and we have the opportunity is to climb

1506
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:37.399
<v Speaker 2>pyramids at Ushmol, ekbalam Isimol and many many other locations

1507
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>on this tour. And we see the cream of the

1508
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>crop when it comes to noted Mayan cities, and that

1509
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>includes chichen Itza and I mentioned Ushmol, but also Sayel

1510
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Sahiel is a fascinating place, Labna and.

1511
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>So much more.

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01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>For more information on this tour, go to Earthancients dot

1513
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>com forward slash tours and register. You get all the

1514
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:05.920
<v Speaker 2>informations there. For some reason, if you do not get

1515
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.279
<v Speaker 2>what you need, send me an email saying, hey Cliff,

1516
01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:09.640
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with this?

1517
01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And need more information?

1518
01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>And I'd like to know just what's the deal is

1519
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Earth Agents for you at gmail dot com. So it's

1520
01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Earth Ancients the number four, the letter you at gmail

1521
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:24.119
<v Speaker 2>dot com and I'll get right back to you.

1522
01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I promise.

1523
01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:29.199
<v Speaker 2>The Sacred Temples of Mexico November eighth through the seventeenth,

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01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. Okay, that's it for this program. I

1525
01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:36.319
<v Speaker 2>want to thank my guest today, mister Jimviera, coming to

1526
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:37.479
<v Speaker 2>us from the East coast of.

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01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>The United States.

1528
01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And as always, Gail tour Mark Foster and everyone who

1529
01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:47.720
<v Speaker 2>makes this thing happen. All right, take care if you will,

1530
01:36:48.079 --> 01:38:01.039
<v Speaker 2>and we will talk to you next time. Name the

1531
01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:01.760
<v Speaker 2>boy asked,