Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing come on in and have us
Speaker 1: seeing this talk.
Speaker 2: Hey, I've been going over the photographs I took while
Speaker 2: we were in Turkey, and I just posted a gallery
Speaker 2: of photos from Darren Kuru and I got to tell
Speaker 2: you what a strange and eerie place. How they got
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people to live in that situation is just
Speaker 2: beyond me. And they call it a city, it's more
Speaker 2: like an apartment complex. There were groups of people that
Speaker 2: were led down into the different layers of this stone edifice.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because the first layer allows for animals
Speaker 2: and for the goods, and there's a couple of kitchens
Speaker 2: in there. But you keep going down further and further
Speaker 2: one hundred feet, two hundred feet, three hundred feet, and
Speaker 2: oh my god, it is not only is it claustrophobic,
Speaker 2: and I found myself a little nervous, but there is
Speaker 2: just strangeness carved in the bedrock. It's completely carved, it's
Speaker 2: not partially carved. It's every room, every corridor, every shaft.
Speaker 2: There's waterways that go down. How they dealt with sewage
Speaker 2: is beyond me. We were told that it would be
Speaker 2: brought up human and animal sewage would be brought up
Speaker 2: through ventilation shafts, which is kind of weird. And the
Speaker 2: ventilation shafts are strange. I have a photograph of one
Speaker 2: of the surface ventilation shafts that are somewhat protected from
Speaker 2: the elements, and they go all the way to the
Speaker 2: bottom four hundred plus feet to the very bottom of
Speaker 2: this of this city, of this apartment complex. And I
Speaker 2: have to say, I do have a little bit of claustrophobia.
Speaker 2: And when I was down in this thing and we were,
Speaker 2: you know, passing through layers and layers and going further down,
Speaker 2: further down, it's a little disconcerting. It really is. It
Speaker 2: really is nerve wracking. But somebody engineered the ventilation system
Speaker 2: so that fresh, cool air passes to the lowest regions
Speaker 2: of this city. And this is a piece of genius
Speaker 2: because one of the big issues that I have discovered
Speaker 2: in a number of other people mentioned is that when
Speaker 2: you go into an enclosure like the Great Pyramid at Giza,
Speaker 2: there's no air, there's no air ventilation. When you go
Speaker 2: to the king's chamber, when you go to the queen's chamber,
Speaker 2: when you're walking in the Grand Gallery, up the stairs
Speaker 2: into these other chambers. They have no air and it
Speaker 2: just shuts your system down. You have to force your
Speaker 2: way into these other areas simply because it is hot,
Speaker 2: it's humid, and the ale the air is stagnant. It's stagnant,
Speaker 2: and so the body's natural recourse is to panic, which
Speaker 2: is claustrophobia. You want to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 2: This is why a lot of people go into the
Speaker 2: Great Pyramid and they're like, what the hell is this
Speaker 2: all about?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And I have people that have joined us on tours
Speaker 2: and they're like, they get halfway and they had halfway
Speaker 2: through and they want to go to the go back
Speaker 2: out again. So darren Kuru is engineered in some strange
Speaker 2: way where air is circulated through the deepest chambers. It's
Speaker 2: cool air because you're underground. I think it was about
Speaker 2: one hundred and two degrees on the surface. When we
Speaker 2: entered the chambers. We had a wonderful guide who kind
Speaker 2: of give us a short history. But you know, you
Speaker 2: are cramped in there. There's no light whatsoever. There is candlelight,
Speaker 2: and that's it. We had large areas. They even had
Speaker 2: a church. They had carved in the second and third
Speaker 2: level where people can meet and congregate, and you know
Speaker 2: how they did this, why they did this. We still
Speaker 2: don't know how they survived decades down there.
Speaker 1: And of all.
Speaker 2: And of all the strangeness, twenty thousand people, twenty thousand
Speaker 2: people lived in this city, and I just couldn't figure
Speaker 2: it out. Again, the engineering is phenomenal. It's not necessarily
Speaker 2: perfectly cut. Some of the rooms are a little dodgy,
Speaker 2: but it is a work of brilliance in many ways.
Speaker 2: And the ventilation, this is the real question mark. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they did it. It's cut, it's a
Speaker 2: shaft they cut into the bedrock. The air is cool,
Speaker 2: it's fresh, and it circulates in all the chambers. And
Speaker 2: for me, this is a big issue. I don't I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say I have claustrophobia, but I don't like tight,
Speaker 2: tight spaces for hundreds of yards, crawling down hundreds of yards,
Speaker 2: which is what happens when you're in the Red Pyramid
Speaker 2: or the Bent Pyramid, or you're going down the subterranean
Speaker 2: shaft of the Great Pyramid. That thing collapses and you're
Speaker 2: you know, it's one hundred plus one hundred and twenty yards.
Speaker 2: It's easy to get claustrophobia because you're not getting air,
Speaker 2: You're breathing stale air and you have to just force
Speaker 2: your way down. But the darren Kuru is fascinating.
Speaker 1: I have a complete.
Speaker 2: Gallery of these rooms of the group we were with.
Speaker 2: There's even some strange car figures that are at the
Speaker 2: entrance of this city darren Kuru. Now, we were told
Speaker 2: that there are over six hundred access points along the
Speaker 2: side of this entrance way, and this is you know,
Speaker 2: people have been going in and out of it for centuries.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly if it was used for.
Speaker 2: Coverage from earth damage, perhaps the devastation its guests to
Speaker 2: be the guestimant is around four thousand years old. I
Speaker 2: think it's significantly older simply because it was probably a
Speaker 2: shelter for a devastated surface, probably uninhabitable surface and to
Speaker 2: and the local lore is that it was used to
Speaker 2: hide people from marauding warriors who would come in and
Speaker 2: want to just kill everybody in the area and pillage
Speaker 2: the place. So hard to say, but it is fascinating. Again,
Speaker 2: Go to Facebook or to Earth Ages, either International or
Speaker 2: the group page.
Speaker 1: Look at these rooms. Look at the giant.
Speaker 2: Boulders that were carved into wheel shapes to collapse and
Speaker 2: protect people who were in the shaft's kind of strange.
Speaker 2: And I have a couple of photographs of people who
Speaker 2: are in these different rooms, which gives you an idea
Speaker 2: of just how large they were and also the many,
Speaker 2: many man hours it took to carved Darren Kourou. So
Speaker 2: check that out and perhaps you can join us group.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to try to go again in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. If not, we'll go twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I think we definitely want to go earlier, perhaps late
Speaker 2: spring rather than summertime, because the average temperature was like
Speaker 2: one oh two, and that's just not good. It doesn't
Speaker 2: it just it's exhausting, it really is. So check that out.
Speaker 2: Today's program is Edgar Casey's Giants, and we're looking at
Speaker 2: some of the hominins that Edgar Casey talks about. Now,
Speaker 2: remember we've talked about the Akashak Records a number of
Speaker 2: different programs, and Edgar Casey was the master observer of
Speaker 2: ancient Earth through the Akashak Records, and he speaks on
Speaker 2: the early hominins, the early hybrids that were created on Earth,
Speaker 2: and how the energetics of the soul passed through, and
Speaker 2: we're testing these bodies, these hominins, and through a period
Speaker 2: of time. Eventually we're stuck in these bodies.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The other thing that we're going to learn about today
Speaker 2: is Homo sapiens are just one category. We know about
Speaker 2: the dignificence. We know about Neanderthals, we know about Creo magnum,
Speaker 2: and there's other offshoots, the Hobbits people, and then there's
Speaker 2: a whole series of experiments, which are the ape men
Speaker 2: that we have seen in different museums and heard about.
Speaker 2: So who were the giants and why were they created?
Speaker 2: There's evidence of giants in the Bible, there's evidence of
Speaker 2: giants in ancient Egypt, Sumeria. We see evidence of them
Speaker 2: in South America. How did they migrate? Where did they
Speaker 2: migrate from? Why don't we see giants today? There's a
Speaker 2: lot of questions about the evidence of giants in North America,
Speaker 2: most notably present day United States. We're gonna learn more
Speaker 2: about these mound builders, who were many of them were
Speaker 2: a race of giants eight feet to twelve feet some
Speaker 2: places fourteen feet tall. That's a big human being. So
Speaker 2: let's talk about today the Kashik Records Edgar Casey, which
Speaker 2: is always a great fascination, and early hominins and where
Speaker 2: did the Giants Go? So today's program is Edgar Casey's Giants,
Speaker 2: and my guest is author Jim Vieira. We're featuring an
Speaker 2: incredible opportunity to visit one of the real enigmas of
Speaker 2: the ancient world, and that is Easter Island in the
Speaker 2: Pacific Ocean. This is a new tour that we're doing.
Speaker 2: It looks like this will probably be the only chance
Speaker 2: we get to go because it's very challenging.
Speaker 1: To get over there.
Speaker 2: But we're lucky because doctor Edwin Barnhardt, our host and
Speaker 2: our tour leader, has been surveying this island for over
Speaker 2: a number of years and has some really amazing insights
Speaker 2: on just how detailed and how complicated and how mysterious
Speaker 2: this island is.
Speaker 1: Going to be.
Speaker 2: March fifteenth through twenty third, I wanted to ask just
Speaker 2: a brief question or two because I obviously have never
Speaker 2: been there. I'm really excited to be a part of this.
Speaker 2: It was a highlight talk about the moai. There's a
Speaker 2: number of them, aren't there.
Speaker 3: There are so many moai there it's outrageous. You see
Speaker 3: from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but
Speaker 3: in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and
Speaker 3: they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages
Speaker 3: used to be. So we're going to go visit a
Speaker 3: bunch of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry
Speaker 3: where almost all of them were made, and a lot
Speaker 3: of them are still half made lying in the quarry.
Speaker 3: That thing is just a sight to see how grew up.
Speaker 1: Briefly, and I didn't they have an observatory there.
Speaker 2: Is it a planetarium or is it more of a
Speaker 2: setup for evening sites.
Speaker 3: It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man
Speaker 3: named EDMUNDO Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of
Speaker 3: the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty
Speaker 3: years now. He knows more than anyone and he put
Speaker 3: together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with
Speaker 3: the visitors that come to the place.
Speaker 1: Fantastic.
Speaker 2: So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is a week,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like we've really packed a lot in
Speaker 2: during those seven days, right.
Speaker 3: I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across.
Speaker 3: There is an endless amount of things to see there.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Fantastic all right.
Speaker 2: For more information to go to Earthancients dot com forward
Speaker 2: slash tours. Look for the photo of Ed standing next
Speaker 2: to one of the big Mai sculptures and registers as
Speaker 2: you can again go to earthachents dot com forward slash tours.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ed, Thank you Cliff. This week we're returning to
Speaker 2: the subject of giants and we have Jim Vieira with us.
Speaker 2: Jim is the co author of The Jians of Stonehenge
Speaker 2: and Ancient Britain, and he also read another book called
Speaker 2: Giants on Record with Huyton. Jim has also been on
Speaker 2: a History channel, He's on television quite regularly. He's all
Speaker 2: over the place. But one of the reasons I'm bringing
Speaker 2: Jim back is that he has done a deep dive
Speaker 2: and actually done significant research on Edgar Casey. And we've
Speaker 2: talked about Edgar Casey in the past. One of the
Speaker 2: unique aspects of Casey is that when he would do
Speaker 2: a reading, not only would he describe the individual he
Speaker 2: is working with, he would present the background and the
Speaker 2: details of that lifetime in great clarity. And what Jim
Speaker 2: has done is he's done some research and continues to
Speaker 2: do research on some of the early hominins, and we're
Speaker 2: going to speak with him today about giants and maybe
Speaker 2: perhaps some lineage of the giants throughout Earth's history. So, Hey, Jim,
Speaker 2: great to see you. Welcome back to Earth Agents.
Speaker 4: Nice to see Cliff. I appreciate you having me on again.
Speaker 2: Hey, talk about your interest on Edgar Casey. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's an easy one to really enjoy simply because of
Speaker 2: his work, But what's the compelling interest?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was in this lifetime, my movie character
Speaker 4: is oriented towards understanding metaphysics. In my early teenage years,
Speaker 4: if you can believe it, I read a massive amount
Speaker 4: of metaphysical literature. I read the Upanishads, Laotsu, like all
Speaker 4: the non juistic masters, and I read a lot of
Speaker 4: Casey's material. And I find that a lot of people
Speaker 4: are interested in ancient mysteries, but they're also as a
Speaker 4: gateway drug to get into metaphysics and spirituality to really
Speaker 4: figure out, you know, what are we doing in time
Speaker 4: and space? What is my eternal nature? Things like that.
Speaker 4: So Casey is great because he got some things wrong.
Speaker 4: He made predictions about the future that didn't come true right,
Speaker 4: But he also has an astonishing track record of things
Speaker 4: he should have never known about that that were posthumously revealed,
Speaker 4: like in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A couple of years
Speaker 4: after he died, he said the Nile flowed backwards, and
Speaker 4: NASA proved that as well. So it's a great way
Speaker 4: to view the past in an objective fashion. And I've
Speaker 4: always been drawn to Casey because he's it's as simple
Speaker 4: as it rings true and my intuition tells me there's
Speaker 4: a story here, and you want to I want to
Speaker 4: study the Casey material to see where it points and
Speaker 4: then evaluate if he was correct or not.
Speaker 2: Now, one of the things that I have found interesting
Speaker 2: is you've actually gone to the offices in Virginia Beach
Speaker 2: and read the full files.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so when he was Yeah, So when.
Speaker 2: You go there, do you actually have to get you
Speaker 2: get permission?
Speaker 1: And what is it?
Speaker 2: What do they do pull out a microfiche to look
Speaker 2: at the reading or how how is it presented to you?
Speaker 4: I was a lot to look at the uh, the
Speaker 4: written records. I've spoken four times. The fourth time is
Speaker 4: next month, I'm speaking again at the Casey Conference. But
Speaker 4: I'm friends with a lot, you know, John van Awkin
Speaker 4: and Greg Little, Laura Little, a lot of the people
Speaker 4: associated with with the Casey Foundation. I was just on
Speaker 4: the Edgar Casey biography last year, the season premiere for
Speaker 4: Ancient Aliens, which actually was very very good. So I'm
Speaker 4: friendly with They like me there because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you speak positively about Casey, and that's that's
Speaker 2: probably why. But also you're a noted author. Ar E
Speaker 2: stands for Association for Research Enlightenment and he I guess
Speaker 2: it was launched in the thirties, right, nineteen thirties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Casey Casey's an interesting character. He was born at Hawkinsville, Kentucky,
Speaker 4: in eighteen seventy seven. His father was a minister. He
Speaker 4: was conservative Christian in his waking life. But there's a
Speaker 4: whole backstory there. I don't want to we don't have
Speaker 4: to get into that. There's lots of information out there.
Speaker 4: But what happened was that Casey's abilities were revailed to
Speaker 4: him in a trance like state, in fact, cured his
Speaker 4: own blindness to open the window on the Acashet records.
Speaker 4: And this other realm, this repository of historical documentation that
Speaker 4: other mystics like Rudolph Steiner talked about. So Casey at first,
Speaker 4: when these messages and statements would come through the channel
Speaker 4: that he was, he was very disconcerted because it taught
Speaker 4: the source talked about reincarnation, lots of you know, past lives,
Speaker 4: Jesus having a different makeup, Jesus more like an Eastern
Speaker 4: mystic and a wisdom teacher than the wrath and the
Speaker 4: fire and the brimstone you get out of what the
Speaker 4: evangelical wing. So he was very destroyed by what came through,
Speaker 4: but he ended up embracing it and just let the
Speaker 4: channel work because a lot of what he did was
Speaker 4: he became the godfather or the father of holistic medicine,
Speaker 4: and he hailed so many people with alternative means. He's like,
Speaker 4: this is a benevolent source, and let's see what he
Speaker 4: has to say about ancient mysteries as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk for a minute about his work. So
Speaker 2: he would go into primarily a trance and this other aspect.
Speaker 2: Now what does he call this other aspect? Is it
Speaker 2: a person or is it just his higher self that
Speaker 2: would come through when he was channeling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would go Gladys Davis was st and she
Speaker 4: would write everything down and walk them into the state.
Speaker 4: He lay on the couch. I think he crossed his hands,
Speaker 4: and I think the best way to describe it as
Speaker 4: like a channel for a higher intelligence, okay, and he
Speaker 4: would he would basically travel to like this ephemeral realm
Speaker 4: of records, and I think there was like a Gandolf
Speaker 4: like wizard there or something, or a record keeper that
Speaker 4: would assist him and other people. Channel channelers and mystics
Speaker 4: talk about tapping into this universal library as well. And
Speaker 4: what it points out is the holographic nature of reality
Speaker 4: because past, future, present are all happening in one present
Speaker 4: state and everything is an emanation from the one. So
Speaker 4: you that's why psychics work sometimes, and that's why you
Speaker 4: have strange phenomena that seems to be doesn't work in
Speaker 4: the cartoon model, because, like Michael Talbot wrote about, in
Speaker 4: the holographic universe, it's all one eternal now that is
Speaker 4: misperceived as past and future. That's why past lives people
Speaker 4: have memories of different lifetimes and stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's fascinating to me and I want
Speaker 2: to hear more from you on this is that he
Speaker 2: was able to tap into this a Kashik field known
Speaker 2: as the Akashik Records. We've had a number of people
Speaker 2: on Earth, ancients talking about working with it, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, and maybe you can help me.
Speaker 1: I mean, we hear.
Speaker 2: About Rudolph Steiner, who perhaps was tapping into it. Helena
Speaker 2: Blavaski who perhaps some of these early mystics were able
Speaker 2: to cover parts of it, but not as thorough lee
Speaker 2: as Edgar Casey, who seemed to go and would see
Speaker 2: the person in a picture. But perhaps they're like little
Speaker 2: frames of different lifetimes that he was able to look into.
Speaker 2: And in the case of Casey, if someone was coming
Speaker 2: to him and said, look, I have a degenerate disease,
Speaker 2: I have a problem, he was able to tap into
Speaker 2: a lifetime that maybe was influencing and causing the problems.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more about the Hakashik records and
Speaker 2: what Casey did to actually open this person's lifetime to
Speaker 2: see it so clearly, I mean, no one else is
Speaker 2: as phenomenally available as he was.
Speaker 4: He was a super high being and one of his
Speaker 4: own readings, he said that he was the Grand architects
Speaker 4: of the Great Pyramid in ten thy five hundred BC,
Speaker 4: and Hermes was an incarnation of Jesus, another as we know,
Speaker 4: super high being. Now it's not a contest, but there
Speaker 4: are beings, you know, Romano, Mahashi, Lautsu. There are spiritual
Speaker 4: masters Mary Magdalene who basically liberate themselves from the confines
Speaker 4: of the separate self and become the field, if you will.
Speaker 4: So Casey was one of those beings who was who
Speaker 4: was of a very high order, and his life shows
Speaker 4: that he was thoughtful, he was kind, he worked tirelessly.
Speaker 4: He was a servant of humanity like Tesla.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So Casey would see these impressions and he would read
Speaker 4: other people of lifetimes in the state, and like you said,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you have a thyroid disorder, and it
Speaker 4: was like psychologically and comically tied to other lifetimes and
Speaker 4: sometimes like through lack of forgiveness through you know, we
Speaker 4: have people that we gravitate towards and we resonate with,
Speaker 4: and some others that we have dust ups with or
Speaker 4: ill will towards. And through Casey's lens and other mystics,
Speaker 4: it's like in other lifetimes you had experiences that weren't forgiven,
Speaker 4: where you help grudges, or you were the bad guy
Speaker 4: everybody thinks they're freaking Cleopatra, or you know some you know,
Speaker 4: great Samarian God, but you know you have some other
Speaker 4: lifetimes too, where you're on the wrong side of history.
Speaker 4: So Casey would describe many holistic remedies, but also a
Speaker 4: way of thinking about existence. If there's only one holographic reality,
Speaker 4: then you forgive, not because you're so good, because you're
Speaker 4: tying yourself to your own machinations, of your own temporary
Speaker 4: and strange movie character. Right, you're no longer on the
Speaker 4: hook for all the strange and embarrassing things that we've
Speaker 4: all done. When you forgive, you forgive yourself for making
Speaker 4: poor choices, and you forgive the other, and you break
Speaker 4: the cycle of a lack of forgiveness, of judgment, of criticism,
Speaker 4: of cruelty. And so Casey would prescribe basically, you know,
Speaker 4: a metaphysical system of forgiveness and thoughtfulness and service to others.
Speaker 4: So I like that because he what he has to
Speaker 4: say matches with a lot of the enlightened teachers that
Speaker 4: I study as well.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that he would recommend someone understand that
Speaker 2: they had been cruel to somebody and that they need
Speaker 2: to forgive themselves as a way of releasing a illness.
Speaker 4: Well, his jet, that was his general teaching. He would
Speaker 4: prescribe many many things, like a couple brought their hyperactive
Speaker 4: daughter to case he and he recommended they paints her
Speaker 4: room purple because it would have had this real hailing
Speaker 4: effects on her, and it was very successful. He would
Speaker 4: prescribe alternative substances and means and meditation and things like that.
Speaker 4: But I guess I'm talking about Yeah that I know
Speaker 4: what you're getting at, But it's the general orientation that
Speaker 4: he gave, like this is kind of the predicament we
Speaker 4: find ourselves in, right, and this is a way out
Speaker 4: like you had talked about earlier before we went on,
Speaker 4: Like what in case you have to say about humanity?
Speaker 4: He basically said that we are spiritual beings who fell
Speaker 4: deep into matter and got stuck here with video game
Speaker 4: characters that we misperceived are all we are. So we're
Speaker 4: like lost in the matrix when we are the screen
Speaker 4: of existence, like roomy, beyond concepts of good and evil,
Speaker 4: there is a failed I will meet you there, like
Speaker 4: that's what you really are. But we're playing these bizarre
Speaker 4: movie characters and we firmly believe that's all we are.
Speaker 4: So he said that the five races, it was like white, black, yellow, red, brown,
Speaker 4: were projected in different parts of the planet. And that's
Speaker 4: why you have these different groups of people with different pasts,
Speaker 4: if you will, and which is interesting. And I will
Speaker 4: say this, there's a lot of like talk about racism
Speaker 4: and at as. You know, like all the heat that
Speaker 4: Graham Hancock has to put up with. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: let's go to Egypt, for example. You're there and spare
Speaker 4: it with your background. Like we told with Usef following right,
Speaker 4: his father was the great wisdom keeper Hakimau woman, and
Speaker 4: he talked about No, No, the Egyptian people themselves said
Speaker 4: that there was an earlier age of the gods and
Speaker 4: the Assyrian the Great Giza Plateau. Were they built at
Speaker 4: that time? Were they guided by these gods? And then
Speaker 4: you know, a skeptic, a pseudo skeptic, will say, uh,
Speaker 4: you think the Aliens built the pyramids. It's like I
Speaker 4: talked to Jojo about this. It's like no, it's we're
Speaker 4: saying that all these cultures say that the gods assisted them,
Speaker 4: who were these strange beings, which you know, you talk
Speaker 4: about amphibious and drugs and his gods a lot. So
Speaker 4: the idea of you know, oh, it's racist and you're
Speaker 4: trying to take these achievements away from Indigenous people, it's like,
Speaker 4: not at all. We're actually listening to indigenous wisdom and
Speaker 4: trying to figure out the past through that lens. So
Speaker 4: you might say it's a little overtly racist to ignore
Speaker 4: that like academics do. And then I will say, Casey
Speaker 4: said that the first red race to land in the
Speaker 4: US was the Aroquois twelve thousand years ago. Now that's
Speaker 4: not saying Nazi superman came and build all this stuff.
Speaker 4: He's saying that it's like, you know, indigenous Native people
Speaker 4: are tied to this lost continent, and you know, I
Speaker 4: just want to put that out there because I deal
Speaker 4: with a lot of pseudo skepticism and debunkers and gate
Speaker 4: kiders who keep throwing out that racist trope, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: of course, neo Nazis and use all kinds of shit
Speaker 4: like genetics, and they're always trying to prove some crazy,
Speaker 4: you know, master race theory and whatever I'm not going
Speaker 4: to change their mind. Ye, but a lot of the
Speaker 4: people in this these endeavors are not like are not
Speaker 4: oriented like that, you know, Greg Little, Andrew Collins, Brahm, Hancock, Shock,
Speaker 4: They're not like that at all. They're they're like objective,
Speaker 4: open minded, and they believe in indigenous rights. So I'll
Speaker 4: just throw that out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally hear you.
Speaker 2: One of the fascinations I have for Casey is that
Speaker 2: he talks about the earliest periods of Atlantis, and I
Speaker 2: remember reading how he and you brought it up to
Speaker 2: a little while ago, how man incarnated into flesh from
Speaker 2: the spirit world. Talk a little bit about that, and
Speaker 2: then if you can't extend that into the various hominins,
Speaker 2: perhaps Creole magnum, the dignificence, and then who we are today,
Speaker 2: Homo sapien sapien.
Speaker 4: You have Lamuria in the middle of the Pacific, which
Speaker 4: Casey talked about, Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic,
Speaker 4: just like Plato. I mean, there's different theories, and I'm
Speaker 4: all for, you know, the Rittach structure antiotica, But if
Speaker 4: you listen to Casey and Plato, Atlantis was probably near
Speaker 4: the Canaries, the Azores and extended maybe Tubimity. It broke
Speaker 4: up into different islands at certain times. He said, around
Speaker 4: two hundred and ten thousand BC is when Atlantis was founded.
Speaker 4: He says it like humans descending into matter. Others say
Speaker 4: it was an extraterrestrial race, which is interesting because they
Speaker 4: have all the attributes if you look at the nature
Speaker 4: of the gods, and that's where Plato was pointing back
Speaker 4: to Zeus and all the gods in Mount Olympus was
Speaker 4: in the middle of the Atlantic. But anyways, you know,
Speaker 4: Casey talks about Lomuria being settled about ten million years
Speaker 4: ago basically by these beings who were ephemeral. They were
Speaker 4: spirit beings, and they were very unsophisticated in a worldly sense,
Speaker 4: and they got more and more trapped into matter. And
Speaker 4: I think his date of cataclysm and destruction was fifty
Speaker 4: thousand BC for Loamuria and Atlantis. His timeline was the
Speaker 4: founding was like two hundred and ten thousand BC, and
Speaker 4: there were three catachorism fifty thousand BC, twenty eight thousand BC,
Speaker 4: and then the final the Young Edrias events twelve nine
Speaker 4: hundred BC.
Speaker 1: So you have.
Speaker 4: Genetic engineers and androgynist gods in Atlantis that Casey talks about,
Speaker 4: But as you go around the world, all these gods
Speaker 4: are androgynists. The Dogon of the Nomo people, Vericoca and
Speaker 4: his wife Fushi, and Nua in China, the Samearian gods
Speaker 4: are all androgynoists. The Egyptian gods are mostly androgynoists, and
Speaker 4: they're creating humans on potters whales. They are genetic engineers.
Speaker 4: Even in the pople Vu. We are created by this
Speaker 4: race of strange genetic masters. Casey says in one hundred
Speaker 4: and five thousand BC, Amelius, who was an incarnation of Jesus,
Speaker 4: was a genetic engineer, and he as androgynists. So I
Speaker 4: do this comparative analysis I read, you know, I have
Speaker 4: no social life. So it's three in the morning and
Speaker 4: I'm reading like the Sumerian texts and the popol Vu
Speaker 4: and everything I get my freaking hands on for like
Speaker 4: forty years now. I'm obsessed, you know, without hopefully being
Speaker 4: objective as well. But the gods have talked about in
Speaker 4: so many of these in this historical literature, you know,
Speaker 4: Ugarritic text from Syria. All these really arcane sources are
Speaker 4: talking about the first siancesses being androgynists and the gods
Speaker 4: being androgynists, and Casey's all over that story. He's talking
Speaker 4: about androgeny. It's just remarkable. Every ancient mystery that I study,
Speaker 4: Casey has all this input that lines up with all
Speaker 4: these other sources. Now here's a guy with an eighth
Speaker 4: grade education and he's talking about androgen He's talking about polydactylism,
Speaker 4: he's talking about giants and mound builders. He has sixty
Speaker 4: eight readings on the American mom Builders. And when we
Speaker 4: were in school, we didn't even hear about the mom Builders, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That got me, That propelled me into these mysteries is
Speaker 4: when I read Greg Little and John Van Hawkins's book
Speaker 4: about the mom Builders. It's like, wow, if I don't
Speaker 4: know this, and I thought it was smart. So Casey
Speaker 4: has an amazing repertoire of knowledge about all these ancient
Speaker 4: mysteries and the twenties and the thirties, and the dude
Speaker 4: had like an eighth grade education, and he's remarkably accurate
Speaker 4: and lines up with what a lot of academics say
Speaker 4: as far as like what indigenous people say about the past,
Speaker 4: The nature of Vericocha Vericocha emerges from like Titty Kaka.
Speaker 4: He's married to his sister, Mama Cocha. There are shrines
Speaker 4: all around like Tittycaka that existed where she's a fishtailed
Speaker 4: goddess like these other androgynists, amphibious gods found around the planet.
Speaker 4: So to me, it's like it begs further investigation.
Speaker 2: Where do you begin seeing patterns in Casey's readings where
Speaker 2: we are introduced to giants. Now we know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of hints in genesis of certain giants, and you
Speaker 2: and Hugh bring this up in your books Giants on Record,
Speaker 2: But where do you find Casey actually presenting perhaps the
Speaker 2: first evidence of giants.
Speaker 4: Casey's asked a specific question about the customs of the
Speaker 4: inhabitants of Atlantis, and his one of his most famous
Speaker 4: quotes is or transmissions, is that there were giants in
Speaker 4: those days, men as tall as ten to twelve feet
Speaker 4: for giants existed in Atlantis, as well as little people
Speaker 4: and regular sized humans like the modern prototype as well.
Speaker 4: So his origin of the giants goes back to Atlantis
Speaker 4: several hundred thousand years ago, and he talks about genetic engineers.
Speaker 4: He talks about the sons and daughters of Light and
Speaker 4: the sons and daughters of darkness in this war, and
Speaker 4: that there was genetic engineering of creatures that he called
Speaker 4: things that were like beasts of burden, excuse me, and
Speaker 4: that they were the like basically the workforce for these gods,
Speaker 4: for the negatively oriented gods. And he says they would
Speaker 4: when the Atlanteans landed in Egypt, like twelve thousand years ago,
Speaker 4: they set up there was two temples, the Temple of
Speaker 4: Sacrifice and the Temple Beautiful, where they would take these
Speaker 4: creatures like you see all the walls and the Sumerian temples,
Speaker 4: like these hybrid chimera like creatures and hail them in
Speaker 4: different ways using this kind of lost technology. So he
Speaker 4: gets into this whole story of these negatively oriented genetic
Speaker 4: engineers that created I don't know if giants came of
Speaker 4: that he didn't elaborate, or if they were just you know,
Speaker 4: this is the thing that science hates the idea of
Speaker 4: giants because it doesn't line up with evolution, right, And
Speaker 4: I'm not anti evolution. I would say you can see
Speaker 4: it in nature, you could predict evolution, but as far
Speaker 4: as humans are concerned, it's a different ballgame. There's a
Speaker 4: lot in there that, like Darwin never really proved it.
Speaker 4: He was basically trying to squeeze the round what is
Speaker 4: it the square peg in the round hole when evolution
Speaker 4: came to humans, Because what all the traditions state and
Speaker 4: what Casey states that is the genetic engineers, who I
Speaker 4: would say, are these androgenous, amphibious gods they made the giants.
Speaker 4: They were a miscreation, most of them that were malevolent
Speaker 4: and just were destroyed, mostly in a cataclysm. Some survived,
Speaker 4: as we know through the Bible. But they also created
Speaker 4: the first humans as well, and we were first created androgynous.
Speaker 4: Yahweh creates Adam androgynists in the first genesis. Then they
Speaker 4: create male and female the pople Vu Kuko Khan Gooku
Speaker 4: mats He creates the first humans androgynists. The Navajo traditions,
Speaker 4: we are created androgynis and then we basically are a
Speaker 4: match for the gods and they don't like that. And
Speaker 4: as Plato shows, as Aristophanes displays the myth of the
Speaker 4: ancient androgen Zeus, the androgenost god cuts us in half.
Speaker 4: So we run around like losers, look at for other
Speaker 4: you know, the female or male half our whole lives,
Speaker 4: but we're dumb down. Smoke is blown into our eyes.
Speaker 4: Babylon falls and they scatter the languages. These engineers are
Speaker 4: effing with us and rolling humanity. So have you ever
Speaker 4: had Paul Anthony Wallace on He's scheduled this fall awesome
Speaker 4: the Eden books totally. So him and I have interacted
Speaker 4: and he has drawn the same conclusion. He's he was
Speaker 4: a former archdeacon in the Anglican Church for thirty two
Speaker 4: years and then he came around to have this different
Speaker 4: version of the Bible and what the stories that it's telling.
Speaker 4: He's extremely eloquent and intelligent, and you'll you'll love interviewing him.
Speaker 4: I say that because he's really opened up in a
Speaker 4: scholarly way the story that I've been chasing for a
Speaker 4: couple of decades and now stunting to write about about
Speaker 4: the ancient engineers. So to wrap it all up, these
Speaker 4: are these When you get into natural evolution, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the giants don't fit there, because if they're real, if
Speaker 4: this story is true, it's the gods and the engineers
Speaker 4: who created the giants and destroy them as well, and
Speaker 4: they created Homo sapiens because I'll quickly say, I don't
Speaker 4: want to get along with it, but we are a
Speaker 4: strange creature. It seems like we're a byproduct of like
Speaker 4: an aquatic and a horminade or something. I know, sitch
Speaker 4: and talk someone about that. You know. It's like you
Speaker 4: want to spend a month, you know, and the h
Speaker 4: and I'll ask a wilderness. You know, we're not made.
Speaker 4: You get sunburned, and like humans seem out of place.
Speaker 4: I'll just say that. And with bizarre creatures, with all
Speaker 4: these neurological and psychological hang ups as well, it's just
Speaker 4: just saying, man.
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Speaker 2: shortly with my guest today, Jim Vieira, speaking on Edgar
Speaker 2: Casey's Giants. We'll be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 2: author Jim Vieira, who has studied the life of Edgar
Speaker 2: Casey and most notably his readings on ancient Atlantis and
Speaker 2: thousands of years before that when man was created and
Speaker 2: many of the hominins, the creatures that were test subjects
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. Hey, our mutual friend Andrew Collins writes
Speaker 2: a great deal about the Inficens. He believes that they
Speaker 2: were primarily teachers at places like go Beckley, Teppe, that
Speaker 2: they're found throughout Europe and perhaps their offspring are some
Speaker 2: of the mound builders. Do you get a sense that
Speaker 2: Casey presents giants and can we trace them to the
Speaker 2: dignificence in a historical reference?
Speaker 4: Casey talks about well, so Andrew and Hugh and I
Speaker 4: we talked about Denise Evan's right when they were found.
Speaker 4: Denis Evans were a human cousin that interbred with Neanderthals
Speaker 4: and humans going back, I think two thousand and seven
Speaker 4: in the Ultai region was the first discovery. Anyways, they
Speaker 4: found a little finger bone, but then they found a
Speaker 4: tooth that was so large they thought it was the
Speaker 4: tooth of a cave there, right, So they sent it
Speaker 4: to Max Plank. It gets sequenced and it's revealed that
Speaker 4: it's this human cousin who went to bread with humans
Speaker 4: and weed and talked about when they start finding bones
Speaker 4: of disease events, they're probably going to be massive. And
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago a skull showed up in
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen at the University of Beijing a Chinese farmer
Speaker 4: found this massive skull, hit it down a well in
Speaker 4: the thirties when the Japanese were coming in, so they
Speaker 4: wouldn't like take it sent On his death, bet he
Speaker 4: told his grandson take it to the scientists at the
Speaker 4: University of Beijing, see what the hell this is. So
Speaker 4: it's this massive harmined skull and it's They said it's
Speaker 4: homolongee like a new species, but we believe it's firmly
Speaker 4: a Denisovan skull, and Chris Stringer noted an anthropologists. He said,
Speaker 4: it's the largest Homo skull he's ever seen. So you
Speaker 4: got a massive ancient skull associated with the denise Evians.
Speaker 4: We don't have any of the long bones yet, so
Speaker 4: if we get.
Speaker 1: On display, Jim, is that skull on display in China?
Speaker 4: Good. I've seen images of it that the scientists released,
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's on display. But all the
Speaker 4: measurements are there. But it's interesting because you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not no stradomist, but we said, like, if this story
Speaker 4: holds true, you probably need to get some massive bones.
Speaker 4: So Casey didn't specifically talk about the denise Evans and
Speaker 4: the study of the past archaeology, history, anthropology. It's not
Speaker 4: incontrovertible science like the mathematics that makes your cell phone work.
Speaker 4: It's educating guesses about the past. So you know, we
Speaker 4: try to take in all this information and you know,
Speaker 4: I would say for me, for Hugh Newman, for others,
Speaker 4: it's like we approach it like I like to think,
Speaker 4: like an academic wood with like a rigorous dive into
Speaker 4: these subjects. But we're open to oral traditions as well.
Speaker 4: We're open to mystic sources to point a different direction.
Speaker 4: And the Denise Evans pose a mystery. Are they a
Speaker 4: philed genetic experiment? Like you talked about chro Magnon. There
Speaker 4: are some who believe that chro Magnon, who are unusually
Speaker 4: tall and very sophisticated, showed up in Europe like thirty
Speaker 4: thousand years ago, right, And they're associated with the Magdalena
Speaker 4: cultures and the Salutarian sometimes, and they might be an
Speaker 4: Atlantean race that showed up after a catachalism. But they
Speaker 4: you know, when you talk about levels of sophistication they
Speaker 4: presented those in their cave are and their tool making.
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean, you know, they have toast Rovens. It
Speaker 4: means that, you know, we have a spiritual technology at
Speaker 4: work here. So I'll just say that Casey talked about giants.
Speaker 4: He has many readings where he called the mound builders.
Speaker 4: He said they the original mound builders, came up from
Speaker 4: Mesoamerica and blended with Native cultures. Those are the tall ones,
Speaker 4: the beings found in the mounds by the Smithsonian's agents
Speaker 4: and others, the wisdom keepers, positively oriented wisdom keepers who
Speaker 4: were exceptionally tall, and he said they are of a
Speaker 4: race that was much taller than the people of the time.
Speaker 4: So that's why archaeologists will study the bones of many
Speaker 4: Native American tribes and say, yeah, they were a little
Speaker 4: bigger than Europeans, but they weren't giant sized. These giants
Speaker 4: that elongated their skulls that don dragoul webon snow anthropologists
Speaker 4: and the fifties found their bones very robust, massive jaw
Speaker 4: bones over seven foot tall. That's a different thing that's
Speaker 4: going on through the lens of the Casey readings and
Speaker 4: through the lens of oral traditions of Native Americans as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really kind of a challenge, but it seems
Speaker 2: like Casey's story of geneticists creating these different races, experimenting
Speaker 2: with them to see.
Speaker 1: If they would survive on Earth.
Speaker 2: You know, you get giants, you have the Hobbits, the
Speaker 2: small race of Homo Sabian type of people. You have
Speaker 2: Neanderthal chromagnet and nodgnificence. It's really strange.
Speaker 1: What's going on here.
Speaker 2: It's like they are creating these these beings and.
Speaker 1: Seeing if they survive are not. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: there's it's weird.
Speaker 4: What's going on, Absolutely weird. It's a bizarre thing. But
Speaker 4: excuse me. When you listen to the Casey material, it
Speaker 4: starts to make sense of all the very strange and
Speaker 4: specific and ubiquitous occurrence as you see around the world,
Speaker 4: Like why would the Samerians draw all these composite creatures
Speaker 4: all over their temples? Why would Barosis talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: this time of darkness and these basically creatures that are
Speaker 4: genetically engineered. You've been to Egypt on the walls of
Speaker 4: so many temples, you have these composite creatures, and what
Speaker 4: are they up in meso America? There are they a
Speaker 4: function of genetic engineering. It's a very simple premise. It's
Speaker 4: like the dogon people say in Mali Africa, one of
Speaker 4: the oldest oral traditions on the planet. They say that
Speaker 4: these androgynous, amphibious gods, they're all brother and sister, husband
Speaker 4: and wife, twins, self fertilizing, they show up, they create humanity,
Speaker 4: their genetic engineers. And that's a story found around the world.
Speaker 4: So the only question is do you believe it or not.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not these cultures that have no contact,
Speaker 4: they're saying the same thing. It's very bizarre, it's very specific.
Speaker 4: The universe is filled with life. I bet there's stories
Speaker 4: all throughout history. And even Carl Sagan says this is
Speaker 4: a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, the idea that these Apkalu and
Speaker 4: the Samarian gods appear to be the best case for
Speaker 4: extraterrestrial intervention. He says that in his book in the sixties,
Speaker 4: and he talks about it being a perfectly reasonable hypothesis
Speaker 4: that deserves further investigation. So I go with there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of Sagans left in the scientific world. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of flint dibbles and hoops from Kentucky, I
Speaker 4: mean from Kansas. I don't want to like take a
Speaker 4: run at anyone, but they're not like when you're an archaeologist,
Speaker 4: it's like you're a cop, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: To earn the deserve respect, you got to take a
Speaker 4: lot of heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, imagine the shit I've caught for doing the show
Speaker 4: about giants. If I say something's natural not man made,
Speaker 4: the true believers take a run at me. So you
Speaker 4: got to keep you cool, right, and if you want respect,
Speaker 4: you know, like the criticism Hancock, it doesn't start off
Speaker 4: with well. Actually, one of the main arguments against this
Speaker 4: hypothesis when Mark Lerner sat down with Robert Shark about
Speaker 4: the geological dating of the Great Sphax is that there
Speaker 4: is nothing contemporaneous with twelve thousand year old date. No
Speaker 4: one beholds that hash Tepla region. I know you've been there,
Speaker 4: go backley Tepe. What emerges is a super civilization of
Speaker 4: megalith builders. And then the a team of scientists highlights
Speaker 4: the cataclysm, the younger dries impact events that Hancock talked
Speaker 4: about as well. And you could say, I don't believe
Speaker 4: that Gunana Padang and Indonesia is that old. I don't
Speaker 4: think you Yanaguni is this and that. That's fine, but
Speaker 4: to like insult him, like he's a pseudo scientist and
Speaker 4: a super archaeologist. It's completely unfounded. Yeah, Like that's why
Speaker 4: people they read that as a contry, as a conspiracy,
Speaker 4: because they're like these gatekeepers, these pseudo skeptics, they're not
Speaker 4: reviewing objectively these things that we present. They're in fact
Speaker 4: insulting us. And I work with a lot of professionals
Speaker 4: and that are very cool, and you do too, I
Speaker 4: know that. So it's like, hey, Flint Dibble, you're losing
Speaker 4: the audience here. You're being at dank, you're being in
Speaker 4: know it all, and you're smacking of like this lead,
Speaker 4: this vibe of insulting people who are interested in you,
Speaker 4: faeled So. But when you're in an echo chamber, I'm
Speaker 4: sure his feed is filled with, you know, just these
Speaker 4: echo chamber ideas that. And when you're intelligent like that
Speaker 4: and you have PhDs and stuff, you believe your own
Speaker 4: press a lot more than a layperson too. So I'm
Speaker 4: just pointing out these dynamics because people are talking conspiracy
Speaker 4: all the time, Like there's plenty of conspiracies, but a
Speaker 4: world of archaeologists isn't covering up evidence. But the gatekeepers
Speaker 4: and the pseudo skeptics are definitely in the business of
Speaker 4: denigrating others who present these these alternative theories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can spend a whole program on Flint and
Speaker 2: Hancock's debate on Rogan's program, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: go there.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I just want to lay that out the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I totally hear what you're doing. Does
Speaker 2: Casey present any references to giant civilizations that produced and
Speaker 2: noted in individual I mean biblically.
Speaker 1: I could say the story of the giant who fought
Speaker 1: the kid Goliath Goliath, but we don't know, we.
Speaker 2: Don't have a sense of where his people were, what
Speaker 2: culture he derived from, or if he's just an anomaly.
Speaker 4: A great point. The Bible mentions giants like twenty three
Speaker 4: different times and in historical eras, and like you know,
Speaker 4: Moses sens the scouts out and they come back and
Speaker 4: they you know, I don't know, it's the anachem of
Speaker 4: the refaem they interact with, but they were grass grasshoppers
Speaker 4: in the size you know, they they There's all kinds
Speaker 4: of giant races in the Holy Lands, you would think
Speaker 4: two thousand BC and further back Casey talks about giants
Speaker 4: in Atlantis. He talks about giants among the mad Builders,
Speaker 4: but he doesn't give that. You know, I wish you
Speaker 4: would reincarnate again so I could ask them a bunch
Speaker 4: of questions, because yeah, holes in the timeline, and I
Speaker 4: know what you're getting at. But what I'll say is
Speaker 4: like yahweh in the Bible, just like Vericoca in Peru,
Speaker 4: they create a race of giants and they destroy most
Speaker 4: of them in a cataclysm, but some survive and the
Speaker 4: refi em have extra digits. The giant of Gath has
Speaker 4: six fingers and six toes, and in fact, I'm writing
Speaker 4: a book about that phenomena around the world. Extra digits, Now,
Speaker 4: what does this have to do with It's a rare
Speaker 4: genetic condition polydactylely, it's called some humans have extra digits,
Speaker 4: but it's not associated with gigantism. So you find it
Speaker 4: all around the world, isolated Pacific islands, giant hands and
Speaker 4: feet carved by indigenous people. In fact, Professor Paltz hasan
Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, you probably saw the article
Speaker 4: the oldest narrative in the world was found in the
Speaker 4: Australian Outbank. Right excuse man.
Speaker 3: So you have.
Speaker 4: All these the pleiatees and all these different traditions of
Speaker 4: the Australian Aboriginal people, but also giant feet like three
Speaker 4: foot with six toes. And Tassan says and he wrote
Speaker 4: a paper about it too, that around the world, when
Speaker 4: you find feet with extra digits, they're always huge, They're
Speaker 4: always giant sized. And you find that in the American Southwest.
Speaker 4: You find isolated Pacific islands like Kiarabate, you find giant
Speaker 4: feet with six toes. And then you go to Botswana,
Speaker 4: Matt saying, the place of emergence for the San people
Speaker 4: very important. Matt Singh shows up and he has six
Speaker 4: toes and he's giant, and they're impressed. Right there, I'm
Speaker 4: not saying he walked on the you know, into the
Speaker 4: granted two hundred million years ago. I'm just saying there
Speaker 4: are footprints, giant footprints. And then the oldest seas on Earth,
Speaker 4: Ian Ghazal, Jericho, Jordan, Yeah, I know, Ian Gazal and Jordan,
Speaker 4: and go Beckley Tepe, Carahuan Teppe. They display polydactylism. Right
Speaker 4: you've been to Carahan Teppe. You have the pillar with
Speaker 4: sixteen digits and then you have the oldest narrative found
Speaker 4: in the world as well, Uh, the little dude in
Speaker 4: the middle, and it was recently found. There are two
Speaker 4: figures on that panel.
Speaker 2: That's that's Krahan Teppy, the little the little body exactly
Speaker 2: on the upper edge of the temple.
Speaker 4: So there's two beings found and they both have six fingers.
Speaker 4: And Professor Karouhle, who excavated from Turkey Krahan Tepe, said
Speaker 4: the humanoids always have extra digits nuver five.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm studying this thing for like thirty years and
Speaker 4: writing about it, and in real time, I'll give a
Speaker 4: quick I'll talk my game up for a minute. Me
Speaker 4: Hugh and my brother were pitching the show maybe to Discovery.
Speaker 4: Our team a couple of years ago called megalith Men, right,
Speaker 4: and some of the episodes were about. At the time,
Speaker 4: Krahan Teppe had not been excavated, so we knew the
Speaker 4: farmer there Hugh had ben I mean, the guy who
Speaker 4: won the lands. He had been to the site. We
Speaker 4: wanted to hire a contract archaeology team to excavate Kirahan Tepe,
Speaker 4: and in the script what we wanted to find was
Speaker 4: extra digited beings, double headed idols that show the androgynist
Speaker 4: gods that are written about in academic papers from Allen Gazelle, Katala,
Speaker 4: Hayuk and all these other ancient places in Turkey. And
Speaker 4: then the Turkish government beat us to the punch. They
Speaker 4: excavated and what did they find. They find this statue
Speaker 4: with sixteen digits. They found the double headed idol that
Speaker 4: was written about and talked about in the academic circles,
Speaker 4: representing either the first androgenist humans or the androgenist gods.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty cool, and that shows me intuitively, I
Speaker 4: believe I'm on the right path. You know, I'm no
Speaker 4: Edgar Casey, but my intuition is like, there's something here,
Speaker 4: there's a story here, and the thing that had been
Speaker 4: studying for freaking thirty years now is showing up at
Speaker 4: the oldest sites in real time on Earth. It's quite
Speaker 4: remarkable for me, and I hate testimonials, but this is
Speaker 4: like a rail in time discovery. So what does extra
Speaker 4: digits mean? Were we androgynenists? Did engineers create humans? Those
Speaker 4: are legitimate questions, and if somebody doesn't buy it, that's fine.
Speaker 4: You know, if somebody wants to insult they can f
Speaker 4: off at the same time. You know, it's like, these
Speaker 4: are the traditions of ancient peoples. Let's give them their
Speaker 4: run and let's see if they have something to do
Speaker 4: with reality.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you know, you and Hugh and most
Speaker 2: of the people on the program rarely talk about YETI
Speaker 2: or Sasquatch, who has been documented. I mean from the footprints,
Speaker 2: these are huge hominins and they must weigh you know,
Speaker 2: eight hundred pounds or more. Do you see any kind
Speaker 2: of parallel of these beings because no one can get
Speaker 2: a we get bits and pieces of them, but no
Speaker 2: one's got a skeleton.
Speaker 4: Yes, my read would be it's what Casey said, it's
Speaker 4: like a byproduct. Casey said specifically that beings were created
Speaker 4: as beasts of burden, and a lot of people who
Speaker 4: study I know, I've spoken a big Foot conference, as
Speaker 4: I've been on expedition Bigfoot with Russell Accord and the
Speaker 4: guys there, and I believe that or it seems like
Speaker 4: it's a function of genetic engineering, like it's a creature
Speaker 4: that appears like a you know, like a giant ape.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it behaves in different ways as if it's
Speaker 4: like a soul trapped in a in a different body, uh,
Speaker 4: in a in a huge ape like body. And you
Speaker 4: know Casey talks about the creation of these beings as
Speaker 4: bes of burden. You know, ahib do you.
Speaker 2: Think there are the race of workers and that's why
Speaker 2: they're so hesitant to be around us. They don't want
Speaker 2: because we could we could spell uh you know, imprisonment
Speaker 2: or enslavement.
Speaker 4: Again, I guess absolutely it could be the case. It
Speaker 4: sounds bizarre, but so many sightings, so many impressions Patterson film,
Speaker 4: there's a story there. What the hell is it? Are
Speaker 4: they multi dimensional beings? I get, you know, breeding populations,
Speaker 4: and I get the the arguments about well, we need
Speaker 4: to see this and you should, we should be skeptical
Speaker 4: until I say a body is found or DNA evidence.
Speaker 4: I get that. But it's a phenomenon and I think
Speaker 4: in demand's hypothesis, and I think that's as good as
Speaker 4: any if you're because like to me that what one
Speaker 4: of the big draws is like every Native you can't believe.
Speaker 4: I've encountered so many Native elders, a Mohawk elder a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, and it's like, oh yeah, my grandfather,
Speaker 4: he'd never stopped talking about the giants. You got a
Speaker 4: cliff a friend, Clifford Mahoudi, the late Zuni elder, who
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time with. It's like giants,
Speaker 4: extra digits. We were talking androj and as gods of
Speaker 4: the Zuni people, just like everywhere else. It's just amazing.
Speaker 4: He talked about themia. These same themes come from the
Speaker 4: Hopi and the Zuni, and the Apache and the Navajo.
Speaker 4: And I'm here on the East coast. It's like Mohawk.
Speaker 4: All the different tribes here tell the same story. So
Speaker 4: they're talking about these creatures like Bigfoot, they're talking about giants,
Speaker 4: they're talking about little people, and they match with the
Speaker 4: traditions of isolated groups all around the planet. Is that
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Just like that alone, it's
Speaker 4: like I don't have a time machine. I don't know
Speaker 4: what the hell is going on. I can only glean
Speaker 4: from all these sources. But can you really be a
Speaker 4: coincidence that there's no evidence, I mean, there's no story here.
Speaker 4: That seems illogical, that seems like bad science. And the
Speaker 4: thing is it has to be forced through the lens
Speaker 4: of evolutionary theory. Yeah, so when that happens. It all
Speaker 4: polls apart. It's like little people, you know, I get,
Speaker 4: I can get the hobbits, but I'm not getting down
Speaker 4: with like, you know, these little people from Ireland or
Speaker 4: the native tribes out in the west, that bighorn medicine whale.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting down with giants, especially because there's a
Speaker 4: cultural war happening where the academic world it's kind of
Speaker 4: a left wing atheistic cults and you have like a
Speaker 4: religious side that's more evangelical and they have their own
Speaker 4: I would say shortcomings where they believe without objectivity, but
Speaker 4: you have like the view of the academic world. These
Speaker 4: ideas are are anti evolutionary, anti science, racist oftentimes. So
Speaker 4: that's where we find ourselves is being thrown into this
Speaker 4: mix where you know, I don't have a SS tattoo
Speaker 4: on my neck. I like to think of myself as
Speaker 4: moderate and reasonable. I'm not trying to prove some you know,
Speaker 4: Nazi superman theory. The point is that you have a
Speaker 4: dynamic that precludes objective investigation of oil traditions and other
Speaker 4: ancient documents that I think is a misstep.
Speaker 2: Amazing these giants that Casey speaks about must have been
Speaker 2: an intelligence because we see them in Europe. You and
Speaker 2: Hugh have written extensively about the European giants. Definitely in
Speaker 2: South America and of course the United States. They migrated
Speaker 2: to North America and became the mound Builders.
Speaker 1: But are they in China?
Speaker 2: Are they in other unique areas that we know about,
Speaker 2: and as much as well as you can explain where
Speaker 2: they went because we have no evidence of modern day
Speaker 2: cultures or people that are you know, anything bigger than
Speaker 2: like perhaps seven feet which is a basketball player today.
Speaker 1: But you know, when we look at the Mound.
Speaker 2: Builders skeleton remains, these guys are in the teens fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 2: eighteen feet tall and above.
Speaker 1: And that whole group is gone.
Speaker 4: Yes, there are. First of all, virtually every culture has
Speaker 4: legends of giants, reports, these historical documents. Almost every mega
Speaker 4: ethic site on Earth is associated not only with giant
Speaker 4: skeleton war and mythology, but actual accounts of giant bones
Speaker 4: being found, like a Nan medal and ponnape in the
Speaker 4: middle of the Pacific.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 4: This ubiquitous story but backed up by similar occurrences. To
Speaker 4: your point, people have raised different theories like in the
Speaker 4: past there was more oxygen. Right that like we have dinosaurs,
Speaker 4: we have mamos, we have where I lived, there were
Speaker 4: like giant frogs as big as like VW's and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. You have megafauna and mega fauna and flora.
Speaker 4: So is that part of the story, like there was
Speaker 4: a cataclysm change if you get into the work of
Speaker 4: like the Thunderbolt Society David Talbot, I believe like Saturn
Speaker 4: had a different place in the sky, right, it was
Speaker 4: a golden age that was disrupted by a cataclysm. Could
Speaker 4: that you know? Could a lot of what we're talking
Speaker 4: about and pointing to is in the late Pleistocene there
Speaker 4: were more giant beings that got destroyed, and then you
Speaker 4: have these bloodlines that existed and continued. Ross Hamilton talks
Speaker 4: about that he's the godfather of giantology. And to your
Speaker 4: point is like there's two stories here. There's one of
Speaker 4: the wisdom Keepers, the seven and the eight foot tall
Speaker 4: native people who show up and teach the arts of civilization.
Speaker 4: They show up in the British Isles. And then there's
Speaker 4: a story of giants who are malevolent that Vericocua destroys,
Speaker 4: that Yahweh destroys, where the ancient wars. There are codices
Speaker 4: the one in the Vatican that you've seen around the
Speaker 4: internet where there these toll tech indigenous people killing this
Speaker 4: probably like twelve foot giant, and there are legends of
Speaker 4: that where they're cannibalistic and they're unruly. And when you know,
Speaker 4: I sit down, I talk to a lot of Native
Speaker 4: people and I just find, you know, not to diss
Speaker 4: our culture, but there's a lot more integrity there. There's
Speaker 4: no like grifting awareness. There's like these traditions are important
Speaker 4: to this, to us, and this is exactly what has
Speaker 4: been said for generations. And they all say like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: could be the late place to see. Twelve thousand years ago,
Speaker 4: our ancestors encountered giant beings. They were a holes, They
Speaker 4: like attacked our tribes, they were cannibalistic. I didn't make
Speaker 4: this shit up, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 4: like I get all this heat like a giant guy,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm just and like, can if could
Speaker 4: you indulge me for a second after you've indulged me
Speaker 4: this entire time? I know, I want to say that
Speaker 4: we did a show about giants, and the complete the
Speaker 4: thrust of it was that the Smithsonian says that the
Speaker 4: largest skeleton they have in their collection is a six
Speaker 4: six foot three Soue Native American with acromegali. Right. So,
Speaker 4: in episode two, we go to Stalleville, Missouri, excuse me,
Speaker 4: Huckett's Cave, right, nineteen thirty three front page of the
Speaker 4: Saint Louis Dispatch. They find an over eight foot skeleton there.
Speaker 4: We found the location, Billy Harmon found it. We did
Speaker 4: all the due diligence. We in fact found an image
Speaker 4: in the microfilm that was on the front page of
Speaker 4: the Staleville Ledger and the Saint Louis Dispatch. They show
Speaker 4: six and a half foot less eaten lay next to
Speaker 4: this like eight and a half foot tall skeleton. And
Speaker 4: then we find an article that says it was shipped
Speaker 4: to the Smithsonian after being wired together by university and
Speaker 4: Missouri archaeologists. Right, So they received that they were they
Speaker 4: asked for it. They specifically asked to have the skeleton
Speaker 4: said to them. So I'm not saying, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: there was a conspiracy and maybe they destroyed the bones.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a freaking vault of giants. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying we came in at it. With that approach,
Speaker 4: we was success. Oh you didn't find anything like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna find a like an eight foot skeleton live film
Speaker 4: and go dig up like a native mom.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like we're telling the story and we're doing a
Speaker 4: due diligence. Yeah, basically proved that there's a story here.
Speaker 4: There is a story here, and we have the film,
Speaker 4: we have the proof, we have all the documentation from professionals.
Speaker 4: So I just want to throw that out there because
Speaker 4: a lot of people like, oh, you're a loser, you
Speaker 4: believe giants. I'm like whatever, Yeah, I'm just a guy
Speaker 4: who's obsessed with this. But I am not dogmatic. I'm
Speaker 4: not really just yeah, you know, so I just want
Speaker 4: to throw that out there.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back shortly.
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Speaker 2: My guest today is Jim Vieira, who has made a
Speaker 2: study of the various writings of Edgar Casey and what
Speaker 2: he has discovered and describes as early Earth civilizations. You know,
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Smithsonian in a minute,
Speaker 2: because there's some very odd behavior among the so called
Speaker 2: archaeologist anthropologists at the turn of the century and collecting
Speaker 2: these giant bones. But before we go there, I had
Speaker 2: a guy on the program who wrote a book called
Speaker 2: Expanding Earth, and his belief was that Earth was closer
Speaker 2: to the Sun in different phases, and this is where
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs were able to grow at such a huge
Speaker 2: size because the gravity level of Earth was much less,
Speaker 2: and so these land animals and reptiles were a megaton monsters.
Speaker 2: We see the skeletal remains of Trantosaurus rex. We see
Speaker 2: these huge reptiles that weigh a huge amount of a tonnage,
Speaker 2: and the thinking is that if there were humans, they
Speaker 2: would have been giants around that time. This is millions
Speaker 2: of years ago, obviously, but through some cataclysmic event in space,
Speaker 2: Earth was bumped or was pushed away two separate times.
Speaker 2: And this guy believed, he's an engineer, that the mankind
Speaker 2: has changed physically and physiologically over a period of time.
Speaker 1: Do you does Casey talk about that at all?
Speaker 4: He talks about cataclysms, but he doesn't specifically state that.
Speaker 4: But that's a great theory, and that's that makes sense.
Speaker 4: You know. There's one thing is that these theories, they're
Speaker 4: going to make it through the gauntlet of the academic
Speaker 4: world with lots of biases, lots of confirmation bias. When
Speaker 4: Velakovsky wrote Rolls in Collision, and all he was doing
Speaker 4: was clearly stating the these traditions, these the halls of
Speaker 4: Valhalla and the two twins left their stations at the
Speaker 4: globe and the earth flood. You know, you can clearly
Speaker 4: see that there's a story of cataclysm there. And he
Speaker 4: was like derided and censored and now find the ruined
Speaker 4: career ruins right, it's like, you know, grow up, it's
Speaker 4: like you don't believe in that's five. But that is
Speaker 4: see that reads this conspiracy once again. So you you're like,
Speaker 4: you look at the past and it's completely different. And
Speaker 4: I guarantee you there were celestial changes, there were cataclysms.
Speaker 4: There are you know, you go up in the Andes
Speaker 4: and you find seashells and you're like, you know, was
Speaker 4: there just a massive cataclysm? You know where where mountains
Speaker 4: are you know come up overnight? Is the Grand Canyon
Speaker 4: and the Great Lakes where they just formed into cataclysm
Speaker 4: in a quicker amount of time than we think, you know,
Speaker 4: just quite you know, Great Salt Lake. Where did that
Speaker 4: come from? There are all legitimate questions, and I deal
Speaker 4: with open minded geology all the time. We say that,
Speaker 4: So I think that makes sense. There was more oxygen
Speaker 4: in the air, there was different orientation. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 4: very sensible hypothesis for a very controversial topic as far as.
Speaker 2: Hard to hard to prove because obviously it's a huge
Speaker 2: uh you know, landform to to have to figure out
Speaker 2: if Earth is expanding continually. But this theory is now
Speaker 2: being taken out by astrobiologists who believe that this is
Speaker 2: part of being uh a planet. Is the natural growth
Speaker 2: of a planet is to keep expanding.
Speaker 1: So very strange.
Speaker 2: As we come to the conclusion, Jim, I want to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about some of the work that
Speaker 2: you have identified in the Mound Builders. I think it's
Speaker 2: in one of your early books you document a Spanish
Speaker 2: conquistador coming through Florida and meeting a giant family part
Speaker 2: of a tribal group in that area. Talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that story, and it was I think that
Speaker 2: was also a mound builder too.
Speaker 4: Well, it was de Soto who encountered Tuscaloosa in Alabama
Speaker 4: and his son, and they were both absolutely enormous, like
Speaker 4: eight and a half feet tall. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: every early explorer you can name, from John Smith to
Speaker 4: the Spucci, Magellan and Patagonia, Sir Francis Drake, they all
Speaker 4: encountered enormous native peoples. And this once again the academic
Speaker 4: idea is that, yeah, you know, the natives are probably
Speaker 4: like five a five ten, and they were much taller
Speaker 4: versus the five two five for three Spanish and English.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's not what they're talking about on his knees,
Speaker 4: this giant towered overall of people. You know, these are
Speaker 4: these are explorers trained in the outer observation, the chronicles
Speaker 4: of writing it down. It's the absolutely and you go
Speaker 4: to Patagonia and we have this in our book. Francis Cook.
Speaker 4: I think that was Frederick Cook. In the eighteen nineties
Speaker 4: he met with the Owner tribe in Patagonia and they
Speaker 4: were absolutely enormous. The entire tribe. There's pitches. We have
Speaker 4: six ft six women of that a massive bone structure,
Speaker 4: seven to seven six males. They wear like animal skins
Speaker 4: and they get the voice of bulls and their traditions.
Speaker 4: They came from a continent in the Atlantic and the
Speaker 4: Pacific that sank, and that's where their ancestors came from,
Speaker 4: and they were wiped out by the English. They were
Speaker 4: all killed in these genocidal wars that happened. To your point,
Speaker 4: a lot of the tall ones, a lot of these
Speaker 4: indigenous people that quite possibly were much taller than normal
Speaker 4: de humans, were you know, eradicated you, along with so
Speaker 4: many native people of disease and warfare and stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think when you're talking about if twelve and
Speaker 4: fifteen foot giants were in fact rail, they existed in
Speaker 4: a different age quite possibly, you know, back tens of
Speaker 4: thousands of years. I don't know, but there's a lot
Speaker 4: of evidence there was seven, eight, and even nine foot
Speaker 4: tall individuals that didn't have disease conditions that existed right
Speaker 4: up until the modern age.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think one of the most important things that any
Speaker 4: of us can do is admit when you're wrong. Is
Speaker 4: to realize when you are not being objective, not hearing
Speaker 4: both sides of an argument and taking all the information.
Speaker 4: And when I first started out, I was defensive and
Speaker 4: combative because I just caught so many insults and things
Speaker 4: were untrue that about the data that I was presenting.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, and it didn't get it didn't get
Speaker 4: evaluated objectively, So that pissed me off. But then I
Speaker 4: come around like there's a holes everywhere. It's just like politics.
Speaker 4: You know, people were in bed in this position right
Speaker 4: and they are the cult like thinking. It's like the
Speaker 4: two party system blows by the way. We should have
Speaker 4: like five parties. I kind of like RFK Junior for instance.
Speaker 4: You know we were we grew up. It was like
Speaker 4: a shrine in the Kennedys where I grew up in Boston,
Speaker 4: my MLK Bobby and John. But now you know, the
Speaker 4: Democratic Party sucks, the Republican Party sucks. You know, it's
Speaker 4: like they're just corrupt. They don't represent people who want
Speaker 4: to like help humanity, people who want to be thoughtful,
Speaker 4: and people who want to better world. They're just like whatever,
Speaker 4: I don't want to get a long with what I'm
Speaker 4: trying to say is like, in these debates about ancient mysteries,
Speaker 4: realize when you're in an echo chamber. Realize when you're
Speaker 4: part of the true believers, or you're part of a
Speaker 4: kind of an atheistic academic cult as well, because you know,
Speaker 4: the thing about a cult is you don't think you're
Speaker 4: in when when you're you're in one. That's my rant.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I had Greg littele on and he wrote this massive
Speaker 2: encyclopedia of the various mounds.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that book?
Speaker 4: I got it. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And he has a he had a graph in that
Speaker 2: book that literally shows I think it's something around four
Speaker 2: hundred thousand mounds from New York to like San Francisco,
Speaker 2: from the West East coast to the West coast. And
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, has it ever been your theory that perhaps America,
Speaker 2: the United States, North America.
Speaker 1: Was the land of the giants?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's like was this some origin? We we talked
Speaker 4: about that, and I think both books Hugh Hugh gets
Speaker 4: into that. Hughan Norman gets into like was this the
Speaker 4: only end of the giants? To they go else where?
Speaker 4: We have from this place you know, Native Americans would
Speaker 4: tell us something like that. And Greg. Greg's brilliant. He's
Speaker 4: a PhD educator, right, yeah, so he's well versed in
Speaker 4: you know, the actorld, but he is open to ideas
Speaker 4: about casey and and and different, yeah, controversial topics. And
Speaker 4: he wrote this mom builder encyclopedia, which is brilliant and
Speaker 4: I've used it in a lot of my travels and
Speaker 4: it begs the question. There was absolutely there were so
Speaker 4: many accounts. Uh, it's mind numbing. It's like, can these
Speaker 4: all be hoaxes? They're buried obscurely in these voluminous texts.
Speaker 4: They're certainly not all headline grabbing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: There are giant beings buried with burial techniques that we
Speaker 4: know about in context with artifacts of the time. So
Speaker 4: they're not animal bones, they're not mastered on some of
Speaker 4: them might have been Excuse me, there's a real story.
Speaker 4: Here is the moral of the story. Along with the insults,
Speaker 4: I received an amalgam of ideas and theories why this
Speaker 4: couldn't be true? These are all these These are hoaxes.
Speaker 4: These are headline grabbing, sensationalist headlines.
Speaker 1: Sorry, you're telling you the mouse are fake?
Speaker 4: Is it just suggesting and now well that that that
Speaker 4: all these giant accounts are somehow right. I'm sorry, giant
Speaker 4: accounts they go in with the mold builders because there's
Speaker 4: so many accounts of giants. Uh, these are animal bones
Speaker 4: and and I make you know, a lot of arguments
Speaker 4: against them, like no, no, that's not at all, that's
Speaker 4: a small percentage, you know, disarticulation, faulty regret, regression formulas.
Speaker 4: I'm open all those ideas. So you have a real
Speaker 4: mystery here, and I think it's just worth thinking. You know,
Speaker 4: science should be thinking about different things differently, like your
Speaker 4: boy you were talking about with a different theory of
Speaker 4: the past. Maybe the celestial bodies moved in different ways.
Speaker 4: Maybe the indigenous people are right, and we were genetically
Speaker 4: engineered almost sapiens were you know, you know, you get
Speaker 4: the you got canoe, the androdynis ram headed guard and
Speaker 4: he's cooking up humans on a freaking potter's whale on
Speaker 4: the temple of Zna. Is that in Prometheus does the
Speaker 4: same thing with Epithemius as twin brother. Those are just
Speaker 4: ephemeral missing legends or the age you know, is the
Speaker 4: age of the gods rail because They're all described in
Speaker 4: the same fashion, with multiple ways of specificity across cultures
Speaker 4: that had little no contacts. I know, I'm a freaking
Speaker 4: broken record, but that is like, wow, holy shit, that
Speaker 4: rings true, or it is something worthy of further investigation,
Speaker 4: like my boy Carl Sagan once said, too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, as we conclude, Jim, how should we look
Speaker 2: at the Acachek records. I mean, I've had authors on
Speaker 2: the program who say, oh, anybody can tap into them.
Speaker 2: All you gotta do is meditate and tweak. It's like
Speaker 2: or they want you to visualize that there's a librarian there.
Speaker 1: It's like, where does the fantasy.
Speaker 5: Leave?
Speaker 2: And you get connected to this library because as I
Speaker 2: have this, I mean there's techniques, but I think it's
Speaker 2: all crap.
Speaker 4: Frankly, Uh, it's a you raise a great point. That's
Speaker 4: why I like Casey because there was very little ego
Speaker 4: distortion in his readings, right, they seem to come through
Speaker 4: and I'm not to you know, I have friends who,
Speaker 4: you know, claim to read the Cashunk records and they
Speaker 4: seem like very well intentioned. And the thing is that
Speaker 4: you know, there's no pay review in the alternative world.
Speaker 4: That's another thing. That's another kind of difficulty because there's
Speaker 4: a lot of bullshit artists and grifters and the alternative realm, right,
Speaker 4: because it just is, you know, we're gonna name anyone,
Speaker 4: but and there's well intentioned people who you know, they
Speaker 4: they kind of want to believe, you know, they want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to admit I was wrong about this.
Speaker 4: I got a crowd of loyal follows that I can
Speaker 4: throw content to.
Speaker 1: There's no oversight, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that being said, like, look at the person,
Speaker 4: look at the orientation, look at the information presented. I
Speaker 4: think Casey's the best read there is as far as
Speaker 4: that's concerned. But there are Mondi people who seem to
Speaker 4: have psychic abilities. Now all are movie characters. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm good at stone work, I suck at golf.
Speaker 4: I can't take care of my basic needs. We all
Speaker 4: got strengths and weaknesses, right, And for me, I studied
Speaker 4: with an enlightened spiritual teacher, and I've studied, I've done
Speaker 4: a million Eyahuashka ceremonies and hung out with wisdom keepers.
Speaker 4: And the takeaway is from all the enlightened masses road
Speaker 4: human history is that you are exists as a perfect field.
Speaker 4: Nothing you do in time and space can add a
Speaker 4: subtract to that kind of blissful divinity. And in fact,
Speaker 4: the universe of time and space is a false, temporary
Speaker 4: projection from the field, a thought experiment like prodigal sons
Speaker 4: and daughters, Like what the hell would it be like
Speaker 4: to create on our own? It's actually pretty shitty experiment
Speaker 4: if you look around. But that's the way it's portrayed
Speaker 4: by the spiritual masters. So like if anybody's listening is
Speaker 4: into like spirituality, it's like read Maharshi Raman of Maharshi,
Speaker 4: read out to read the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus, read
Speaker 4: the Apocryphon of John, where Jesus talks about the one
Speaker 4: like he's an Eastern mystic, and they're all saying the
Speaker 4: same thing, like take a deep breath, don't get carried away,
Speaker 4: because our happiness is contingent sometimes on the externalities, the
Speaker 4: state of the world. I got money in my bank account,
Speaker 4: I lost my job. It's like chill out. View this
Speaker 4: trans personally. My teacher would say, you got many lifetimes.
Speaker 4: It's like forgive release, don't be a victim of the
Speaker 4: world because you know the idiot who cooked it up
Speaker 4: in the first place, and that's how to stomach I
Speaker 4: get that, but you know, to the lodge of point.
Speaker 4: I always like to end on a metaphysical note. It's
Speaker 4: just like everything's cool. Just meditate and breathe, try to
Speaker 4: be helped, will try to forgive, and then you'll start
Speaker 4: to feel less judgment and less irritation, less anxiety, and
Speaker 4: then these ideas will come. Then other lifetimes will probably
Speaker 4: start coming to you where you don't have a vested interest.
Speaker 4: They just come because you're not putting a false reality
Speaker 4: ahead of your divinity.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, how do we work with these past lifetimes, Jim?
Speaker 2: If we're physical beings now and all the past lifetimes
Speaker 2: are either running consecutively in other dimensions or whatever, how
Speaker 2: are we supposed to access and utilize those lifetimes?
Speaker 4: Great question. It's like through quantum forgiveness. It would be
Speaker 4: the course of miracles would call it. If you feel uneasy,
Speaker 4: if you feel you have a challenge with someone, it's
Speaker 4: like you forgive the situation. You don't try to prove
Speaker 4: your right. If you're not meant to interact with the person,
Speaker 4: you'll just drift away. You bless them, you wish them well.
Speaker 4: That because there's only one holographic mind. When you've forgive
Speaker 4: this lifetime, you're not getting your freaking head cut off
Speaker 4: in the Middle Ages. You're not, you know, creating more
Speaker 4: comma in another lifetime because it's a holographic reality. That's
Speaker 4: what the mystics would say. So how do you do it?
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be like, oh, I was the
Speaker 4: temple priest and I was writing this. It can be
Speaker 4: as simple as like, oh, my son and I have
Speaker 4: had some problems lately. You know, I'm going to forgive
Speaker 4: that I see a political figure that it drives me
Speaker 4: nuts on the TV. I'm going to forgive that. It
Speaker 4: sounds like some New Age bullshit, but it isn't. It's
Speaker 4: like forgiveness is where it's at. It's not like, oh
Speaker 4: I'm so good, Oh my heart hurts, and it's like, no,
Speaker 4: you forgive because your natural state is not a lunatic
Speaker 4: or a sociopath that is embedded in all this addiction
Speaker 4: to outrage. That's why social media blows and it's the
Speaker 4: lowest level of hell. It's because the algorithms addict you
Speaker 4: to outrage. The weaponize your preference. Forgive, do some push ups,
Speaker 4: go outside. You know what I'm saying, buy my book,
Speaker 4: listen to you. So the moral of the story is
Speaker 4: don't take it so seriously, and it is not a
Speaker 4: cop out. I'll end on this if you don't mind
Speaker 4: people like they reiterate this line, like when good men
Speaker 4: and women do nothing, evil thrives. It's like Ramana Maharshi says,
Speaker 4: the greatest social activist in human history, does billy anything
Speaker 4: compared to the monk meditating a cave, because the monk
Speaker 4: in the cave is hailing or the person who forgives
Speaker 4: is hailing the mind that is projecting a psychotic universe
Speaker 4: that needs to be hailed through the level of the mind,
Speaker 4: not on the screen of the world. So you go
Speaker 4: by the rotary. It's like free guys of you know,
Speaker 4: pro Israel. It's like the forgiveness. And I know people
Speaker 4: hate this idea, but look at your own life and
Speaker 4: all the shit you haven't forgiven. Act kindly, be helpful, forgive.
Speaker 4: That is where the rubber meets the road, and that
Speaker 4: heals the mind that is having a sleeping delusion of
Speaker 4: this acid trip we call life. That is not life.
Speaker 4: So that's my that's my fake guru advice.
Speaker 2: Well, Swami Jim Vieira has been wonderful to hang with you. Man,
Speaker 2: We appreciate it.
Speaker 1: What's coming up for you?
Speaker 5: Worre?
Speaker 1: Can people? You got a TV show coming up? Or
Speaker 1: a book? What's what's where can people see you?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: I am coming up with a book right now. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna drag Hugh and Hugh Newman into it to help
Speaker 4: me about polydactylism. I think people who were interested in
Speaker 4: ancient mysteries will dig it. It shows it's a lot
Speaker 4: of my style, Like every corner.
Speaker 2: Of the globe is like, see it in sculptures, Jim,
Speaker 2: are you saying you see it in skeletal remains.
Speaker 4: Actually iconography, rock art statues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But physically do we see skilter?
Speaker 4: Well, only normal sized people. I haven't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a real oddity when someone was born
Speaker 2: with six digits exactly.
Speaker 4: This is it's associated with the divine, the supernatural and giants.
Speaker 4: And once again the story is like wow, that's all
Speaker 4: I could say. And and it's taken a long time
Speaker 4: and I just you know, we'll float it out there
Speaker 4: and see what the what people say. Most of our
Speaker 4: books get five star reviews on Amazon. I think people
Speaker 4: appreciate our approach. I'm speaking at the Edgarcasey Conference October.
Speaker 1: Give us the dates for that, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I think it's October second and third. It's the Ancient
Speaker 4: Mysteries Conference. Uh, it'll be a good one. Once again,
Speaker 4: it's always Uh, you know, that's a great crowd, that's
Speaker 4: a great place to go. Please join me there if
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: We got some pitches out to networks. I haven't done
Speaker 4: my own show. We were supposed to do a third
Speaker 4: Rown Oak and then COVID Hit. I've been on a
Speaker 4: bunch of other shows, Laurence fishburn William Shatner. I've been
Speaker 4: on Ancient Aliens like the last five years.
Speaker 2: Oh you were unexplained recently Yeah, yeah Shattner, Okay.
Speaker 4: Shouting the show and Fishburne show about Stonehenge and yeah
Speaker 4: the Lost City Me Hugh Andrew Collins did last year
Speaker 4: about Krahn Tepe, the Edgar Casey biography. We did that.
Speaker 4: That came out excellent, So people can look that up
Speaker 4: getting on Amazon or whatever. But yeah, I think I hope, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, to get another show, not just a pair
Speaker 4: on other people's shows, because I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of you know, I'm a freak. I run my mouth
Speaker 4: a lot, but you know, I like to think we
Speaker 4: always have skeptics and and yeah, skulls on our shows.
Speaker 4: I'm not like Echo Chamber guy. I'm open to, you know,
Speaker 4: go toe to toe with any debate. It's just I
Speaker 4: think there's another story humanity, and I hope some execs
Speaker 4: sees at is too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep bad, I keep pumping out content. Man,
Speaker 2: it's fantastic. Hey, Jim, always a pleasure. And you have
Speaker 2: a great fall and winter, and we'll see you again.
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, brother, Yeah, good to see you as well,
Speaker 4: and keep up the good work. You get a lot
Speaker 4: of rave reviews that are well deserved. So be well,
Speaker 4: my friend.
Speaker 2: You know, as I think of the Akashik records, I
Speaker 2: have this thought that at some point maybe someone will
Speaker 2: be able to tap it and figure out some way
Speaker 2: to bring it into a visual format like on on
Speaker 2: a monitor as TV screen or who knows, some way
Speaker 2: to see it visually. Because Casey was able to see
Speaker 2: it through his higher self and he doesn't remember it
Speaker 2: as a as Edgar Casey himself he remembers it as
Speaker 2: a higher being, a higher self, and speaks it, and
Speaker 2: then it was written down for the actual recipient of
Speaker 2: the reading. So, you know, and we've talked about the
Speaker 2: Acachhik records. I'm firmly of the belief that Tesla brought
Speaker 2: it through. And I've mentioned this before. If you've studied
Speaker 2: Tesla's work and you know about the Warring Cliff Tower,
Speaker 2: his idea behind that tower was to create free energy,
Speaker 2: to have towers I think it was every so many miles,
Speaker 2: and through the collective of these towers, he charged the
Speaker 2: atmosphere with electrons of some type that would power aircraft,
Speaker 2: that would power boats and automobiles. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: just fascinating to think if he had been able to
Speaker 2: do that, what a revolution that would have been, especially
Speaker 2: in the early turn of the century, nineteen thirties, forties.
Speaker 2: But you know, it was before its time. And I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the big issues, is that when
Speaker 2: a scientist or a writer or a creative person brings
Speaker 2: through a device.
Speaker 1: An invention of some kind.
Speaker 2: From the Cashik records, it's determined, you know, on some scale,
Speaker 2: if it's acceptable for that timeframe, it's almost like there's
Speaker 2: an overseer, Yes you can bring it through, No, it's
Speaker 2: not ready to be manifested, or yes you can bring
Speaker 2: it through. Yes it's time for a new invention.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think about that, and I also think about, you know,
Speaker 2: the disease process that we deal with right now, Why
Speaker 2: don't we have a cure for cancer? We all know
Speaker 2: there's been literally tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of
Speaker 2: billions of dollars thrown into the research in finding different cures.
Speaker 2: I think this is my opinion only that because the
Speaker 2: United States is such a marketing paradigm and that's not
Speaker 2: a good thing, that they don't really.
Speaker 1: Want to cure.
Speaker 2: They want to kind of lead us on with remedies,
Speaker 2: with maintaining. I've had a number of people that I
Speaker 2: know with the diagnosis of cancer, and the drug therapies
Speaker 2: are to keep people alive as long as possible, even
Speaker 2: if you've been diagnosed with the terminal illness, they just
Speaker 2: keep they keep you going, They keep you going.
Speaker 1: There's really and I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk to a doctor, and I have
Speaker 2: lots of friends that are doctors, and I speak with doctors.
Speaker 2: They would never admit that because you go into medicine
Speaker 2: to be a healer, you think you are. But as
Speaker 2: my cousin said, you know, you take pharmacological studies.
Speaker 1: You study.
Speaker 2: You don't study the energy field. You study the disease
Speaker 2: packed body. The whole thought process of allopathy is so screwy.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, the Akashik field, the Akashak database, is a
Speaker 2: fascinating subject. Will continue talking about it. And I mentioned
Speaker 2: this to James. You know, you guys have been listening
Speaker 2: to Destiny, you listen to Earth ancients, and we'll have
Speaker 2: people on this said, yeah, you can tap into it.
Speaker 2: You can close your eyes and meditate. Well, you get
Speaker 2: you gotta shift, you know. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: you need to take some ayahuasca or some d MT
Speaker 2: or something to shift and then hold the residents, hold
Speaker 2: the space to walk among these archives.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And we still don't know how the Akashuak records appear.
Speaker 1: Is it a sensation?
Speaker 2: Is it that you or know you're there?
Speaker 1: Who knows? You know?
Speaker 2: I mean I've had a lot of people on the
Speaker 2: program as well as Destiny talking about the Akashik records.
Speaker 2: So it's still something that's not quite within our realm.
Speaker 2: I think we tap into it. As a writer, former illustrator,
Speaker 2: I think it's somewhat like the muse with this this
Speaker 2: h when you're tapped in and you are rolling and
Speaker 2: you're flowing, and you're writing music and you're writing with
Speaker 2: great conviction and elegance, and you're painting and you're tapped in,
Speaker 2: that's the muse that has a place within the Cashing
Speaker 2: records as well. So fascinating subject and to hear from Jim.
Speaker 1: Was always fun. It's always a fun interview.
Speaker 2: Hey, we have one tour left in the year. It's
Speaker 2: our Sacred Temples of Mexico. It's November eighth through the seventeenth.
Speaker 2: It's coming up real quick. We got roughly another few
Speaker 2: weeks before we're gonna cap it and say we're done
Speaker 2: with taking registrations. This is a fun tour simply because
Speaker 2: if you're in the Uni, it says it's very close.
Speaker 2: It's only a few hours in the plane. And we
Speaker 2: have this colonial city as our base, which is Merida, Yucatan, Mexico.
Speaker 2: What is fascinating, what is special about Yucatan is it
Speaker 2: is home to some of the largest, most complex and
Speaker 2: wonderful Mayan cities from the ancient past. And I got
Speaker 2: to tell you, if you've never climbed a pyramid, we
Speaker 2: climb pyramids, and we have the opportunity is to climb
Speaker 2: pyramids at Ushmol, ekbalam Isimol and many many other locations
Speaker 2: on this tour. And we see the cream of the
Speaker 2: crop when it comes to noted Mayan cities, and that
Speaker 2: includes chichen Itza and I mentioned Ushmol, but also Sayel
Speaker 2: Sahiel is a fascinating place, Labna and.
Speaker 1: So much more.
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Speaker 1: I promise.
Speaker 2: The Sacred Temples of Mexico November eighth through the seventeenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Okay, that's it for this program. I
Speaker 2: want to thank my guest today, mister Jimviera, coming to
Speaker 2: us from the East coast of.
Speaker 1: The United States.
Speaker 2: And as always, Gail tour Mark Foster and everyone who
Speaker 2: makes this thing happen. All right, take care if you will,
Speaker 2: and we will talk to you next time. Name the
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