WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:29.440 You are listening to The Secret Teachings Radio. I'm your host, 2 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:32.759 Ryan Cable. Ioul you'd like to reach out to the 3 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:37.920 show tonight, can email TST Radio at ProtonMail dot com, 4 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:42.679 and as always, find the show online by searching www 5 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:47.560 dot Secret Teachings dot info. All of our past episodes, 6 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:53.679 social media links and my books available on the website 7 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.479 www dot The Secret Teachings dot info. If you missed 8 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.520 any episode of the show, it is all the all 9 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.959 the episodes going back many years, including some years that 10 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.599 were never uploaded from a very long time ago that 11 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:12.439 I've recently uploaded as best of episodes. 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Tonight's episode is going 21 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:53.319 to be very very interesting, something you've maybe never heard before, 22 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.560 but something you will learn about on the show, and 23 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.159 you will learn about if you watch a documentary that 24 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.840 just came out that we're going to talk about. Our 25 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:06.959 guest tonight is a good friend of mine who has 26 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.599 been on the show many times, and he is back 27 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:15.199 with another documentary that he has worked tirelessly on. You 28 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.240 may remember his documentary jfk X. I think this documentary 29 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:26.039 is no offense to that documentary, not only better, but 30 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:30.639 I think it is more thought provoking in regard to 31 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.560 what it addresses. The documentary is called a Clockwork Shining. 32 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:40.439 Kubrick's odyssey probably one of the most even without this 33 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.360 documentary and without the work of Ryder Lee, our guest, 34 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:49.879 or Jay Widner, who is featured in the documentary, The 35 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:51.960 Shining is one of those movies that I think is 36 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.319 probably maybe the most controversial, the most talked about, the 37 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:03.960 most discussed, the most theorized movie in Hollywood history. It's 38 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:08.280 definitely in the top three of any discussion on the subject. 39 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.840 I went to film school and we discussed all of 40 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.680 Kubrick's work, but especially The Shining. People had a lot 41 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.960 of theories on what it actually meant. It's in a 42 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.680 lot of ways vastly different than the book that came 43 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:26.159 out in the nineteen seventies. Nineteen seventy seven, I believe 44 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.800 was the year. And I mean, this movie is what 45 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.639 forty something years old. This movie came out in the 46 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:38.240 early eighties, and it is talk about good filmmaking. After 47 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.719 all these years, it's still being talked about and discussed 48 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:42.919 and debated, esper what it actually meant and what it 49 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.240 actually represented. A lot of people thought it was about 50 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:52.080 ghosts and psychological horror movie. It might just be a 51 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.159 different kind of psychology. It might just be a different 52 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.919 kind of horror. We're here now with Ryder Lee, who 53 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.400 went and at and put this documentary together. I know 54 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.000 that I talked to him during the editing process and 55 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:06.759 it was a lot of time, a lot of sweat, 56 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.319 a lot of blood, a lot of tears, a lot 57 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.080 of no sleep. Writer, thanks for coming on the show 58 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.039 your opening comments, please, and then tell us about this 59 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.959 new documentary where people can watch it and certainly when 60 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.600 they do watch it, what they should be looking for 61 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:24.079 because it's not what you think. 62 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.279 Thanks so much for having me on, Ryan, I really 63 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:29.720 appreciate it. It's always an honor and a privilege to be 64 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:34.160 on your show. Yeah, this documentary is on Amazon Prime 65 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.319 Video right now, and it is currently up in the 66 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:42.480 United States and in the UK, so not in Canada 67 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.600 or some other countries, but for sure in the United 68 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.319 States in the UK. So if you're not in the 69 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.519 United States or not in the UK, I'm sorry about that, 70 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.120 but we will be getting it up on Vimeo here 71 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.120 soon and you'll be able to watch it all over 72 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.800 the world. But yeah, so the document we thought that 73 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.519 it I wasn't going to be out for a while. 74 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:03.800 We thought that was going to take like three or 75 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.800 four months to actually get released from the time that 76 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:11.040 we submitted it, and it came out in a little 77 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.600 over three weeks, so I was very excited. An interesting 78 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.680 thing about it was the night before it got released, 79 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.480 I had this dream that it got released, and then 80 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:29.040 the dream I like opened up the Amazon app and 81 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.160 like I was checking and then I saw it there, 82 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.519 and then I woke up from that dream, immediately turned over, 83 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.959 opened my phone up and it was there. A lot 84 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.920 of weird, strange things with dreams surrounding this movie, especially 85 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:49.319 surrounding The Shining in general, And when I would watch 86 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.480 The Shining, I would have like some of the most 87 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:56.879 wild dreams ever, like straight up like nightmares, Like not 88 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.319 if I watched it during the day, but if I 89 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.720 watched it before I went to sleep, like I would 90 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:08.000 have like really strange, weird dreams. There's something subliminally going 91 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.959 on within the movie The Shining, and I think that 92 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.079 we really disclosed that in our documentary. And it's not 93 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.319 just the documentary about The Shining and Stanley Kubrick, which 94 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:24.560 that is a bulk of it. It's also a documentary 95 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:31.279 about the movie industry in general, the music industry, the 96 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:37.360 intelligence communities, infiltration into those industries. 97 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:42.920 And which it's already well documented even outside of your movie. 98 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:48.120 That infiltration, infiltration is well documented in other books, other researchers, 99 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.240 other films. It's not just something that you guys came 100 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:53.800 up with. It's something that's already pretty well documented. 101 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:59.920 Yes, but it ties into what Stanley Kubrick in that time. 102 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.839 I'm in that era of movies and like the film 103 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.639 industry and the music industry and how they are ultimately 104 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:13.160 connected in Laurel Canyon and Lookout Mountain and all the 105 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.879 things that were going on in Hollywood in the sixties 106 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.000 really plays a key role in later what's happening later 107 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.800 on and actually happening right now. We're actually feeling the 108 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:29.000 side effects from the counterculture movement to this very day. 109 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.800 There's still remnants of that that is still happening right 110 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:34.120 now as we're talking. 111 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.920 Yeah, and that's what makes it unique. That's my point 112 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.040 of what I'm getting at. That's what makes the documentary unique. 113 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.360 And in terms of how you guys use that information 114 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.360 that is well documented to take a look at Kubrick's 115 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.920 film The Shining again and apply it so that we 116 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.279 get a different interpretation. Which, frankly, when you first told 117 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.000 me that, like I knew what you were saying and 118 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.399 what you were talking about, I hadn't given it much thought. 119 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:02.560 I'm not really a horror movie person anyway. I'm not 120 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.439 really a big Stephen King fan. I've seen The Shining before. 121 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.360 It is controversial, it's debated. We talked about it in 122 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.319 film school, but I've only watched it maybe like once 123 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:14.720 or twice throughout my life, and I don't really know 124 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.480 much anything else about accept the theories. But then when 125 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.319 I watched the documentary and the way you pieced it together, 126 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.560 I was thinking, oh, oh, oh, that okay, that makes 127 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:25.439 a lot more sense. 128 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.319 Yeah, the I'm with you on the shining. 129 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:30.560 Like. 130 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.039 To be honest, the first time that I watched it, 131 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.200 I did not like the movie. I just didn't like it. 132 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.399 I didn't understand what the hooplaw was about. I didn't 133 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.960 understand what people why were they were so hyped around 134 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.720 this movie and why it's had this long lasting impact. 135 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:46.799 And I'd seen it a really long time ago, watched 136 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:48.399 it once, so I was like, this is garbage. I 137 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.240 don't like it. And that's just my honest analysis of it. 138 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.080 Like when I first watched it, I did not like it. 139 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.919 I thought I was boring. I didn't think anything was happening. 140 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.960 Like they're calling this the greatest horror movie in the world, 141 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.240 like the greatest horror movie ever made. It, Like, I 142 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.559 don't understand that there's nothing horror about this movie. There's 143 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:09.120 literally nothing that really happens in the entire movie besides 144 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.399 the last twenty minutes. But the last thirty minutes of 145 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.240 the movie, things actually start happening. 146 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:20.000 Yeah, but it wasn't until yeah, yeah, like the Terrifier. 147 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:23.480 Yes, it's definitely not like The Terrifier where it's all 148 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.559 gore and violence and blood and it wasn't until I 149 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.200 actually sat down and watched it because I was actually 150 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.080 bringing Jay Wider on my show. And he had made 151 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:36.879 two films prior to Stanley Kubrick, which was A Kubrick's 152 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.600 Odyssey one in A Cubric's Odyssey two where he posits 153 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:44.200 that Cubic was responsible for faking the moon landing, which 154 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.519 he started that theory, and he doesn't get enough credit 155 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.799 for it because he he did it, he created it, 156 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.720 and people share that and talk about it like they 157 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.080 didn't know where it came from. You know. It's like 158 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.639 one of those things where you know you something and 159 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.120 then people never really give you, you know, credit for 160 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.039 coming up with that. But that's an important issue and 161 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.840 an important topic. But that's not what our film A 162 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.480 Clockwork Shining is about. That you can get on Amazon 163 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.840 Prime right now. It's it's a different take on that, 164 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.240 though we do mention the moon landing a little bit 165 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:25.960 referencing his other films. But and I do think that 166 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.480 it may have been plausible that something was going on 167 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.840 with the moon landing because right in the middle of 168 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.480 when we were going to the moon, supposedly, you know, 169 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.840 launching a rocket to the moon. Stanley Kubrick was filming 170 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.960 two thousand and one A Space Odyssey, So it's highly 171 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:49.000 possible that they shot the moon landing while they were 172 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:52.519 shooting two thousand and one A Space Odyssey and then 173 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.240 use that extra footage and the actors were told that 174 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.200 it was supposed to be a part of the movie. 175 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.159 Because that's the thing that people people can't really wrap 176 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.519 their head around when it comes to the moonlanding. They're like, oh, well, 177 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:04.879 it can't be fake. There would have to be too 178 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:06.759 many people in on it. Too many people would have 179 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.240 to know about it. And that's something he's saying that 180 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:12.000 we didn't actually go to the moon. I'm just saying 181 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.440 that the footage was fake. I mean, there's so many 182 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:16.480 holes that you can poke in that footage that it's 183 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:19.720 like unbelievable. The photographs that were taking there, and then 184 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.480 all of a sudden they lose all the footage and 185 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.039 they lose the original photographs, and then they lose the 186 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:25.559 technology to go back to the moon. 187 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.440 That's like saying the White House is real. I've been 188 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.799 to the White House, but a lot of videos and 189 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:36.519 pictures of Joe Biden, especially when he was receiving his 190 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:40.679 you know, medicine a couple of years ago. They did that, 191 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.279 according to Newsweek, at a fake white House, So like 192 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.720 the White House is real, but a lot of photos 193 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:48.799 and videos of the Oval Office are actually from a 194 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.039 fake Oval Office. Kind of the same thing. Moonlanding can 195 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.720 be real, but photos and videos might not have been real. 196 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:58.759 And that's really how you would do it. You would 197 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:03.759 have this gigantic film production going on with two thousand 198 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.399 and one of Space Odyssey with Stanley Kubrick. That is 199 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.519 this high budget film that uses all the special effects 200 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.919 and you know, technology that really hadn't been using any 201 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.159 other kind of films to create this landscape of people. 202 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.399 Then you have these actors in there, and then Cubriic 203 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.440 just tells them that it's a part of the movie, 204 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.279 and all along they don't know that it's not really 205 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:25.639 going to be in the movie or not a part 206 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.600 of the movie. And then he takes those clips that 207 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:29.799 he took from two thousand and one of Space Odyssey, 208 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:31.879 them not knowing he didn't put it in the film, 209 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.679 and then they just broadcast that to everybody saying that 210 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.720 it was the moon landing. I mean, it's highly possible. 211 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.720 Yeah, I've heard that theory for years. That was one 212 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.240 of maybe even the first conspiracies that I was I 213 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.600 was ever conversing with people about, was about the moon 214 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:55.000 landing and Stanley Kubrick. I wonder I don't remember the 215 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:56.399 name of it, but I wonder if you could help 216 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.639 help me out here and inform the listeners about. In 217 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:04.159 the film that you've made, there's a document that Jay 218 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.799 brings up pertaining to Kubrick and the US government that 219 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.480 he sort of refers to as the smoking gun that 220 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:15.000 that might have been evidence of Kubrick working with the 221 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.159 government for this or that. Can you tell us about that? 222 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:19.600 Do you know much about that document? 223 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:25.440 Yes, that is a document that was that we have 224 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:32.000 that lays out for different for different popular film directors, 225 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:40.840 including Stanley Kubrick, as the most plausible for the government 226 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.039 to look into for a project. Now, the project in 227 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.919 the document isn't like they don't give you an outline 228 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:49.279 of what the project is. It's just that they're looking 229 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.639 into these filmmakers for projects in the future to work 230 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.039 for the government. And that's how we tie in a 231 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.679 lot of the Lookout Mountain stuff and in Laurel Canyon 232 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.559 and how Lookout Mountain was on top of was an 233 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.519 Air Force military base on top of Laurel Canyon that 234 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.759 a lot of films were made there, and it's highly 235 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.120 documented that you can just you know, google Lookout Mountain 236 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:13.960 and you can actually get on YouTube and type in 237 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.360 Lookout Mountain and you can find. 238 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:19.519 News reports and pictures and videos in your documentary just 239 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.919 mainline stuff that's been around forever about Lookout Mountain. 240 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.759 Yeah, and it's still people don't really know exactly what 241 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.320 was happening there or what was going on because a 242 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:37.360 lot of it's still classified. There was several movies and 243 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:43.759 and several things that was shot. Now they on records 244 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.519 they say that it was, you know, for military purposes, 245 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.360 but you're very close to Hollywood. Why would you not 246 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:53.080 do some kind of Hollywood productions and big time actors. 247 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:58.919 Ronald Reagan was had top secret security clearance for this place, 248 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:04.080 you know, James Stewart like all these well, Marilyn Monroe 249 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:10.720 all had like top secret clearance to Lookout Mountain military base. So, 250 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.639 and then there was actually a hotel that was there 251 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:19.919 before the military base came in that looks strikingly similar 252 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.799 to the exterior of the Overlook Hotel in Stanley Kubrick's 253 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.600 The Shining and it Burnt Down, and which is an 254 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:33.440 interesting fact that we actually didn't put in the movie 255 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.200 that I'm I'm pretty sure that at the end of 256 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:44.679 Stephen King's book Doctor Sleep, which is the sequel to 257 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:50.039 The Shining, the Overlook burns down. 258 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.360 We don't know for sure what the program was the 259 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.919 project that the military that the government, the government more 260 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.039 so maybe than the military, was attempting to recruit directors for, 261 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:04.519 but we know that Kubrick was one of the directors, 262 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.840 and that sort of ties in and maybe gives a 263 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.519 little bit of encouragement to the theory that it had 264 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:13.360 something to do with the moon landing. We don't know 265 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.360 if that's the case, but we do know that the 266 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.279 government was looking to contract Kubrick for something that was 267 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.960 very i would say, maybe not literally but perhaps non 268 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:28.000 technically top secret, which is already suspicious considering the type 269 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:31.799 of things that Kubrick was doing and his films, which 270 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.080 most of them are pretty revolutionary and bizarre concepts and 271 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.000 really far out there, and then looking at what was 272 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:43.000 happening on Lookout Mountain with the military making films and videos, 273 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.879 and we know, going back to World War two, that 274 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.639 there was obviously a lot of military involvement in making 275 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.600 propaganda films, war films which made it into Hollywood as well, 276 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.039 but also with what you and I have discussed many 277 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.639 times on the show in the fifties with the UFO subject, 278 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:05.400 But the military was looking to utilize the UFO narrative 279 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.839 that was developing out of the late forties, largely things 280 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:12.039 in Europe, but also in the US to spread dis 281 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.559 and misinformation about the subject of flying saucers as well. 282 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.799 So there's a long history of that, and then there's 283 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.799 certainly evidence that Kubrick was being looked at to work 284 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.119 on some secret project. There are a lot of pieces. 285 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.839 As you look at this documentary that you made, and 286 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:29.960 I'm speaking more so to the listeners of course, writer, 287 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.640 a lot of people watch this documentary, like myself. I 288 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.799 saw a screener of it. I was lucky that you 289 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:37.519 sent me that I could watch a screener of it, 290 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.680 and as it was I'm watching it, I just want 291 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:43.920 to give you props for the editing as it builds 292 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.279 and builds and builds, and as I said, it's like, 293 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:50.599 oh that's interesting, Oh that's really interesting. Oh all that 294 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.599 makes a lot more sense. Oh wow, Okay, this is 295 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.200 really good. There's something, There's something, There is something else 296 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:58.839 going on here. I don't think that this is about 297 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.839 Stephen King's book. I think this is about something else, 298 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.359 especially because I think you put this in the documentary. 299 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:09.200 Wasn't Kubrick rewriting the script kind of in a real 300 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.880 time And I don't mean like changing things seen by scene, 301 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:14.680 which is I mean, I went to film school. We 302 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.839 normally did that change a little dialogue. This word sounds better. 303 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:21.200 I mean he was like rewriting entire scenes during production, 304 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.920 which is just not very common from what I understand 305 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.079 in the movie business. 306 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.000 No, it only makes sense that he was doing that 307 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.400 because he needed to put things he wanted to rewrite 308 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.000 The Shining in his vision, and he couldn't give his 309 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.480 vision to Warner Brothers because he had just come off 310 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.680 a Barry Linden, which Barry Linden was not a successful film. 311 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.119 It was one of Kubrick's worst films. It was a 312 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.240 disaster at the box office and it was critically smashed. 313 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.880 So he kind of had to play ball with Warner 314 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:59.559 Brothers on getting The Shining. So what repausit in the 315 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.519 film is that Warner Brothers kind of came to Stanley 316 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.759 Kubrick and was like, here, let's we'll give you the shining. 317 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.480 We had the success with the A list director with 318 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:14.200 another horror movie, which was The Extorcist, which was directed 319 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.160 by William Freaking, and that was a huge smash success. 320 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:23.119 So let's try and get another horror type movie made 321 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.039 with another A list director, and we'll get Stanley Kubrick 322 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:32.200 to make this movie. And what reposited that kind of 323 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.880 happened was that Kubrick handed in a script to Warner 324 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:41.279 Brothers that he knew that they would accept that was 325 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.920 more in line with Stephen King's book than while they 326 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.240 were shooting it, Stanley Kubrick was rewriting the entire script 327 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:55.319 day of in this we talked about it in the documentary, 328 00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:00.640 and it's shown that Jack Nicholson was so frustrated with 329 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.279 Kubrick rewriting the script every single day that he didn't 330 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.599 study any of the lines because they would just change 331 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:15.400 and that really quickly. The is a US Information Agency 332 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:19.799 from the document that we were talking about previously, and 333 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.359 another thing that's really interesting is that up a lookout 334 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.839 mountain the military base, a lot of the footage that 335 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.720 we see of like nuclear bomb testing, you know, like 336 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.440 the the footage that we got back in the day 337 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.799 where a nuclear bomb would come and it would explode 338 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:36.839 and they would have like a house there and like 339 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.519 some cars and a building or something, and then it 340 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.000 would just demolish and destroy the entire building and then 341 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.480 the landscape and all that all that was filmed. I'd 342 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:47.799 look Out mountain on miniature. 343 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:48.839 Sets, that's right. 344 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.720 Yes, they would just do a miniature set and then 345 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.279 they would have the explosion and they make it look 346 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.960 like that it was all like real that they were 347 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:01.160 actually dropping them in like Nevada at like a test site, 348 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.000 but it wasn't. It was filmed that Lookout mountain in 349 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:04.759 Laurel Canyon. 350 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:09.559 That's a canyon that's not disputed. That's like official history. Yeah, 351 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.759 I mean those particular scenes that those those were filmed 352 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.359 at a in a micro sense, little models. 353 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.319 Yeah, And that's how a lot of movies were done 354 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.200 back in the day because they couldn't afford to just 355 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.400 you know, do that kind of stuff. So I mean, 356 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.079 and that's another thing is like I think it was 357 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:31.599 brought up on Joe Rogan or something where they were 358 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:35.400 like what happened to the camera. How's the camera still going? 359 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.039 This big, huge blast comes in and it doesn't melt 360 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.160 or destroy the camera. And that's another thing about the 361 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.319 moon landing as well, Like people don't realize how how 362 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.480 big were cameras in nineteen sixty nine. My dad had 363 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.799 a a VHS recorder. I'm sure you remember the big, 364 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:56.839 like huge, bulky, freaking things that you had to sit 365 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:00.799 on your shoulder. That, yeah, your arm to be dying 366 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.079 in like ten minutes because you had to hold this 367 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.200 thing up and look through a freaking viewfinder that is 368 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.319 like this big to even know what you're shooting. You're 369 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.920 telling me that they lugged these giant ass video cameras 370 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.400 up in a rocket to the moon. How would they 371 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.480 even be able to see How would they even know 372 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:21.039 that anything is in frame at all? They can look 373 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:25.799 through a viewfinder with a space helmet on, like even 374 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.920 you couldn't center anything up. And then when you look 375 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.319 at how the the return shuttles lift up off of 376 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.759 the Moon, it's the most ridiculously fake thing that you've 377 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:36.759 ever seen in your life. 378 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.440 Hey, hey, it's not as fake as the Indians going 379 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.880 to the Moon. When the Indians went a couple of 380 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.880 years looking like Tetris. That was Tetris, that was Atari, 381 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.680 that was like nineteen seventies game. 382 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:54.240 No, that was so bad, didn't We launched a something 383 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.279 to the moon recently though, where it landed and it 384 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.440 fell over, so we couldn't get any of the footage, right. 385 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.640 I think a private a private company launched something to 386 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.400 the moon, like I don't know, six or seven months 387 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:08.960 ago or something. It was like right around the time 388 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.480 that India launched THEIRS. But we launched one soon after 389 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.799 as by like a private US company, and when it landed, 390 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.440 it tipped over so and it destroyed all the footage 391 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:20.799 or any of the pictures that we could have got 392 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:21.119 from it. 393 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.079 I think that there's a lot of both misconceptions and 394 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:31.680 confusion and then also utilizing those misconceptions to intentionally lead 395 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:36.960 people as well. Within within like astronomy, like I can 396 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.960 look up in the sky. We can see lights in 397 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.319 the sky. The ancients called them eyes in the heavens, 398 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:47.200 the realm beyond the planets, And if I look up, 399 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:50.359 I can see that, you know, I can define that 400 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.400 as real as real as it can be. It's something 401 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.079