WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.640 Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. I'm 2 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:19.160 Mike Maharty, your host as always here with Dan Riiker, Hello, 3 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:24.000 and Mary kesh Yay. I make an effort to sound 4 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:25.079 more excited. I announce you. 5 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:27.199 I can correct men, I can fix them. 6 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:29.480 Yeah, there was like sixty five episodes where I sounded 7 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:33.200 pretty down really about it. Yeah, I don't know. Sixty 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.719 five might be exaggerating. But we're back, uh, first time 9 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.640 in a while. Well, I mean, I guess for listeners 10 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:41.799 it's not. But we recorded the last episode a bit 11 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:45.640 early before Mary went off on her another gallivant trip 12 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.200 across Europe. God knows what she's doing over there. 13 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.479 It was twenty twenty one we recorded the last episode, 14 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:51.960 so we're a little more caught up now. 15 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.240 Nothing's happened. Everything's fine in La. 16 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.560 I hear no one got shot in the face with 17 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:58.240 a firework. 18 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:02.840 Bye, h residents. Still, do you have all your teeth? 19 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:03.520 Can I see them? 20 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:04.640 I thought they were gone? 21 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.280 I thought they I honestly, when I was on the ground, 22 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.560 I thought I was going to take my hand off 23 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.719 and see all my teeth on the ground. But they 24 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.239 all stayed in place and outside of just some bruising 25 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:16.319 throughout the inner lip and chin. I survived. 26 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:19.959 Yeah for the audience that doesn't vent diagram with giant bomb. 27 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.159 Dan got quite literally hit in the face with a 28 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:27.280 confetti canon explosion and made pressed nitrogen age have Reddit. 29 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:32.359 I had friends like, didn't this guy was more than 30 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:36.200 one friend media saying, isn't this the guy that married you? 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.439 Who is this idiot? You can't blame me for this. 32 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:42.719 I was the victim here right a firework. 33 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:45.879 I didn't think my friend was about to turn a 34 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.920 howitzer of a confetti cannon into my fucking face. 35 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:52.280 So there wasn't I guess there's like a walk me 36 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.439 through the science here? Is there a hard part in 37 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.079 the confetti? 38 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.159 Well, a lot of people had a lot to say 39 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.640 about what happened. As a result, I learned how these work. 40 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:03.159 So it is a bunch of compressed nitrogen at the 41 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:04.519 bottom of a tube. And this is not one of 42 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.200 the tiny little party popper things that you buy at targets. 43 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.360 This was like a big ass tube and yeah, you 44 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.360 twisted and it like somehow, lets the compressed nitrogen do 45 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.800 something with the air. I don't know, chemistry happens and 46 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.360 then there is no physical projectile. 47 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.159 But just a force like force. 48 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.159 It is very just It's like a sniper shot of 49 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.080 crazy compressed air. And I was, I don't know, three 50 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:28.039 and a half feet away from the top of the tube. 51 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.719 And I have been elbowed in the teeth before so 52 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:33.360 bad that my teeth dented in I had to go 53 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:35.759 to the dentist to get my teeth fixed. This felt 54 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.159 worse than that. I've never felt anything. It blew my 55 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.919 lav mic off. It's just yeah, it bruised. 56 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:43.120 Like. 57 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:44.759 I was talking to Greg Miller the next night and 58 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.759 he's like, the inside of your lip is like black, 59 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.240 and I look at it and like, oh, yep, that's 60 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:48.599 not good. 61 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:50.159 That's and that was the bruise. 62 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.039 The inside of the lip was the where it hurt 63 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.120 kind of the most. And then like under my beard, 64 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:56.479 I think they kind of obscured a lot of it, 65 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:56.840 but like. 66 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.680 Beard protected you by like ooh, a bit of baffling, 67 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.080 Like you know, just a bit of it. 68 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:06.120 Could have right stop the air. It could have been Yeah, No, 69 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.680 I still felt every bit of it. I It's funny 70 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:11.439 because and I understand why people thought it might have 71 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:12.960 been a bit, because it seems like the type of 72 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.280 thing I would do like a little little wrestling silliness 73 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:15.719 or something. 74 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:16.479 Uh. 75 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.400 No, I would not have agreed to do that. That 76 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:23.039 sounds way too dangerous and it is extremely dangerous. But 77 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.400 I'm glad it happened because it's fucking funny. 78 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:28.960 You have like a corporate umbrella to take care of 79 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:29.680 like any weeks. 80 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:35.240 Oh, we're going through the HR insurance. I'm on insurance, 81 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.000 but not through Giant Palm, right. 82 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:38.919 Because it is like the worst time to get shot 83 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:39.439 in the face. 84 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.439 Yes, yes, I am. I am legitimately going to reach 85 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.879 out to the People's Court. Uh and maybe Judge Judy 86 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.439 if anyone has a connection. I just think it would 87 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:51.080 be the funniest fucking thing in the world. 88 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:51.800 Yeah. 89 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.120 If I try to sue Jeff Grubb for five thousand 90 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.000 dollars and then we have to watch that clip a 91 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.240 million times in court on TV. 92 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.039 And she's like, what are you an idiot? Yes, ma'am. 93 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.400 Yeah, if anyone has an exection, I'm not kidding. I 94 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.840 am like tomorrow looking up contacts and stuff, and I'm 95 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:08.599 trying to get a hold of TV court shows. 96 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:09.639 I wish you the. 97 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.680 Best of luck legally on suing Jeff Grub he's had. 98 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:14.319 Thank you very much. 99 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.439 Yes, it's very apologetic. 100 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:17.519 He was. 101 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.319 He was, and he said, if I would have gotten 102 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:22.079 actually hurt, he would have felt really really bad. 103 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.480 But I guess he didn't, so he doesn't feel bad 104 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:25.040 at all. 105 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:27.720 Well, I guess we're even now because he might have 106 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.720 saved my life. Like two nights ago, so me and 107 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.000 him were are our place was right next to a 108 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:35.720 seven eleven, like three houses down. 109 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.480 Say what's that joking? 110 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.759 Oh, I want up some beers and butterfinger ice cream, 111 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.920 and he wanted a slushy, and so, you know, like 112 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.279 ten o'clock at night on this would have been Sunday night. 113 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:51.319 I think we walked down to the seven eleven. I 114 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.600 get some beers in a bag. We're walking back and 115 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.839 again this is like three houses we have to walk down, 116 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.000 and you know, there La there's a bunch of people 117 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.800 sleeping in you know, parking lot and everything. And we're 118 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:03.839 just kind of walking and talking and stuff, and then 119 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.040 all of a sudden, we get like one house down 120 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.600 the street and we hear, hey, hey, like this isn't like, oh, 121 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.079 you're in downtown San Francisco. They're just on the street 122 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:14.639 yelling at everyone that passes by you. No, it's a 123 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.639 dark suburban street and we are the only people walking around, 124 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:19.560 and Greb just like just keep walking, just keep walking. 125 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.120 I'm like, okay, okay, okay, I'm just trying to like 126 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:22.759 get to the gate of the house. And then we 127 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:27.720 hear sprinting and it's getting closer and say, hey, hey, hi, motherfucker. 128 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.680 Like there's this absolute manic screaming. And we turn around 129 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.319 and it's a lady and she's like ready, like very 130 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.399 wild eyed, you know, shaved head, and she's like pissed 131 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:40.720 off and she's like, you stole my fucking back and 132 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:42.519 she's pointing out my bag of beers and I was like, 133 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.959 I didn't. I did not steal these. We just went 134 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.079 to seven eleven. She's just look, you're going to jail, motherfucker. 135 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.800 And I'm thinking, like, oh, please call it the cops. 136 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:51.720 Let's see how this goes. Turns out the cops for 137 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.680 busy doing other stuff that night in Los Angeles. But 138 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.319 she's like, you're gonna talk your means yeah, And so 139 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.000 she's like almost a kind of like lunging kind of 140 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:00.920 that group. We're like go like that type of thing, 141 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:02.920 and I am freaking out, I don't know what to 142 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.439 do here, and so Grub gave me some shit for 143 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.800 this because my legitimate thing that I did as defense 144 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:10.519 in this moment that I think I'm about to get 145 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.560 attacked is I reached into my back pocket and I 146 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:30.920 grabbed my receipt and I go, I have a receipts. 147 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.319 Resort to logic in the face of. 148 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:30.199 Someone like that lady who's obviously an eketamine fueled anger. 149 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.360 Did you hear the line item for my medelos or 150 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.920 I did not steal these from you? Yeah, it did 151 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:38.720 kind of stop her for a second, like she was 152 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:40.480 just like completely screaming, and I said, like, I haven't 153 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:41.839 received I held it up and she did look at 154 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:43.120 it for a second like like I kind of like 155 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.439 stunlocked her for a second. And then she's like she's 156 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.279 like give me the bag, and Grubb just went like 157 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.959 no and like lunge at her a little bit, and 158 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.759 that kind of got her settled down, and oh my god, 159 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:53.480 it was just. 160 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.199 She left after Grub like step to her. 161 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.319 I think she was like turning around still. Oh she 162 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.800 started walking away and kept calling as the N word 163 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.079 after that, So yeah, yeah, and then we hurried back 164 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:09.600 to the house. Yeah, so Los Angeles was good, actually 165 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:09.959 was good. 166 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:13.160 What uh what's what neighborhood was that. 167 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.560 I think we were like it was near Hollywood. 168 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.160 Oh oh, okay, that sticks out. 169 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.120 It has so many different neighborhoods. But that's the scary story. 170 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.360 I Uh, I would be so nervous walking home, especially 171 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.600 by myself. Like, I'm glad you guys had a buddy 172 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.240 system so that Grub could save you in the event 173 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.920 that you would be attacked by a lady. 174 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:37.759 Yes, an out of the uh. 175 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:40.439 Another confetti can and ready to go. 176 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:47.879 Yeah, probably proved that you purchased it legally. 177 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:48.600 That is true. 178 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.120 Yeah, out of the four other people sharing that B 179 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.079 and B with me, I think Grub is probably the 180 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.079 best one I could have had there, right out of 181 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.040 all the giant bomb guys. 182 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:56.920 He's tall. 183 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.759 He's tall, and I think he could like handle himself, 184 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.199 you know, Like I said, you know Manati, you know, 185 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:04.879 flashback to this time at the dojo. 186 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:07.800 I don't know. Yeah, I think Jan. I don't know 187 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.759 what Jan would do. Baclar would absolutely be useless. 188 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.199 Yeah, maybe with a hockey steak you could do something, 189 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:15.439 but yeah, throw a hat at her. 190 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.399 It's a good question. I know that people have asked 191 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.879 us like, who would be the most safe amongst us? 192 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:24.720 I mean, I I do think that I could be 193 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.160 taken down, but I take I'd take out at least 194 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.279 a couple of eyeballs on my way. I snap like 195 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:31.839 a twig, but I would kill a bit. 196 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.840 Yeah, and once you started scrapping with her Mary, I 197 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:36.399 would have had time to run back to the house, 198 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.080 so that would have been really helpful. 199 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.279 So I would have saved your life before you taking 200 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.480 a couple syringes to the knee. 201 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.639 Yes, I would have done the eulogy at your funeral 202 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:46.200 as a result. 203 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.159 So no, I you had been barred. 204 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:50.320 Funeral. 205 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:55.240 My death is just getting uh an edible arrangement and 206 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.720 nothing else, and they're not allowed to come to my funeral. 207 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:00.600 Yes, So it was good. 208 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.960 Did the shows, Yeah, I had a bunch of guests. 209 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.120 It was very, very busy. But one of those things 210 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:08.440 we're at the end, you're at the airport and you're 211 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:09.039 just like that. 212 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.120 That was good. We did a good thing there. That 213 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.519 was great. So yeah, I hope to do it again 214 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:13.919 next year. 215 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.720 Congrats. Acts I was not there this year. 216 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.320 It's kind of weird. Isn't it not going? I think 217 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:25.240 the first time because last year I went, even though 218 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.720 I don't think I had the best justification. But last 219 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.919 year I went. I took some streamers out for there's 220 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.639 some justification I can do if there's a lot of 221 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.200 streamers in the area, like for a video game conference 222 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.159 for example, Pack's East. I was able to justify by 223 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.440 like taking streamers out we were doing an event for 224 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:49.480 Twitch like that I can argue. But this year, there 225 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:53.000 really wasn't that many streamers that I knew going that 226 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.240 justified me traveling there. And I had just gotten back 227 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.679 from Europe because TwitchCon was in the Netherlands again and 228 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.159 I think it was the week before, and I just 229 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.759 the idea of me just getting back and I was 230 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.000 also severely jet lagged and like acclimating to the time 231 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.320 zone and going to Summer Games Fest. I was like 232 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.559 absolutely not, Like I just think you'd really have to 233 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:19.720 convince me under that situation to like want to go. 234 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.360 I was on E Yeah, it was. 235 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.960 It was a kind of lower profile one, just kind 236 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:27.200 of a more chilled out one. 237 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.399 There wasn't like a huge frenzy for anything. 238 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:30.120 You know. 239 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:34.360 I'd say, like Resident Evil, not like huge games announced anytime. 240 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.000 But I felt the same way. I mean generally speaking, 241 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:38.759 I didn't hear anyone be like that was a waste 242 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.240 of time. Like it's still neat, and I'm grateful that 243 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.440 Summer Games Fest exists because it's I said this last year, 244 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.600 but like it's so wonderful that it brings all these 245 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.200 different people together to celebrate games. And I do love 246 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.919 seeing my developer friends or other people in games media 247 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.039 and just catching up with them. So happy that it exists. 248 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.559 But this was like kind of one of the main 249 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.559 years where I was like this, this is not really 250 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.559 worth the ticket price, Like I would have a hard 251 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.799 time justifying the flight and the hotels and all that stuff. 252 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.240 For like I love Resident Evil, like don't get me wrong, 253 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:11.960 but like you have to do a little bit more 254 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.679 than that to get to get me going. And I 255 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.919 just didn't feel like they had a huge lineup. 256 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.799 Yeah, Like I honestly I'd barely played anything because we 257 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.679 were just putting the shows together. So to me, it 258 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.080 is just that social element of it of just like, hey, 259 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.879 the industry is all here, let's hang out. So that's 260 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.679 all it is to me. So and that end of 261 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.120 it was a success in my book. 262 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.879 But you know, maybe that's what it is now. This 263 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.039 is just the time where we all get together and 264 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:41.480 eat terrible food and drink and avoid getting mugged. 265 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:43.720 Yeah together, I'm playing with that. 266 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:44.000 Yeah. 267 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:44.879 I had a great time. 268 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.679 So I fly to Ireland tomorrow. So there were Berts 269 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:50.360 was just like, I'm not gonna make you go to 270 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.759 la and then go to Ireland the next day. Basically 271 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.879 so and also Berts was there, so they didn't need 272 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:57.519 two of us. 273 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:02.519 We're just such travel travel junkies. I leave for France 274 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:09.440 on Friday. I've been jet setting all over can uh uh, 275 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.159 I'm gonna butcher this. I think it's candle on, but 276 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:14.480 I'm gonna say Can's Lion, Can Leon. 277 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:15.960 I think that's right, Can's Lion. 278 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.559 Yeah, cans Lion is there. 279 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:19.440 Like the film festival. 280 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.679 I think it's connected, but it's you know, what what 281 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:28.919 happens at festivals is advertisers with money go and that's 282 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.080 a great place for companies and brands to go and 283 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:35.000 be like give me your money. And so I will 284 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.200 do that and hopefully I will be effective at it 285 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:40.320 because it's so cool to get the opportunity. 286 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.320 I hope that it is a good gotch Can Okay, 287 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.639 yeah this I thought you were the. 288 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:51.320 Same as the Can Film Festival, but it is like 289 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:52.679 they do other festivals. 290 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.639 Yeah, I'm looking at now. I did not realize Can 291 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:55.759 was a city. I just know. 292 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:01.480 It's on the riviera down your but it's like, uh, 293 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.720 it almost sounds like a south By Southwest. 294 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:06.799 I think so, but I haven't been, so I'll have 295 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.919 to report back to me. What it sounds like is 296 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:16.080 some music, some entertainment and like panels and stuff like that, which, yes, 297 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.840 seems like south By Southwest And it's just a good 298 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.080 place to network and meet. 299 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:23.320 Did you say you're going to Paris as well? 300 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.440 I'm gonna fly into Paris because you flying into Can 301 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.039 is apparently like impossible unless you have like a private play. 302 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:33.399 Do you look at Nice as well? 303 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:34.759 Yes? 304 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.440 And that was just expensive, yes, gotcha. Yeah, I guess 305 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:40.320 it's the time of year when that's when people literally 306 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:41.600 vacation down there. 307 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.480 I love that you know more about this than I did. 308 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.759 I did what I was told I have. I'm so 309 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.759 grateful that in my ignorant life, I've always been able 310 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:53.080 to find a person who is also going, who is 311 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.600 smarter than me. Who is more travel savvy than me 312 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.720 and is also pickier with like hotels and Airbnbs and 313 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:02.200 travel arrangements in me and then I say, awesome, tell 314 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:05.159 me what to books and I'll do it. Her name 315 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.600 is Scully, and well that's her last name, but that's 316 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.039 what we call her. She's awesome, and she's the travel 317 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.240 person in the group that will take care of me, 318 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.840 and like will be like book this train, book this flight, 319 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.879 book this airbnb, and I did it, and like I 320 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.080 can do what someone tells me, but I don't want 321 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.639 to do all that research and like be wrong. So 322 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.559 somebody else is telling me. And then in previous years 323 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.000 it was a friend of mine. Like at Twitch, it's 324 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.559 always Alyssa. She always tells me like book this flight, 325 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.240 this train, this space, and like this is what we're 326 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.320 gonna do. We're gonna do with snorkeling this day, So 327 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.399 book this boat and I'll be like okay, and I 328 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.320 just I just do what I'm told and I spend 329 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:47.279 the money and like then I get to go. But 330 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.320 I'm not good at I'm not good at like researching 331 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.320 locations and being like, oh, we got to take the 332 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.120 four fifteen so that I can be there by this 333 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.039 time so we can get the other charter boat. Like, 334 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.480 I'm gonna die out there if that happened, there's no 335 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:01.360 way I'll make it. 336 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:04.240 Yeah, that's I'm assuming you'll take the TGV. It's a 337 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:05.799 very very fast train that goes down. 338 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.399 I don't even know what that is. I need it. 339 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.799 I need a travel buddy. They're the person that like 340 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.519 knows that stuff. There's a TikTok that makes the tv. 341 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.399 TGV is a big catapult in Paris that you jump 342 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.440 that you climb into and then it just launches you 343 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.159 all the way down to the south of France. Sometimes 344 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.600 you miss and sometimes you miss and going and go 345 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:26.399 into the sea. Weirdly, it's not a tribut shaw. It 346 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:28.039 should be, though that would be more on theme. 347 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:31.840 It seems more franch I don't think that I'm like 348 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:35.360 really meant to travel, but in this world, if someone's 349 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.080 going to send me to a cool location, I require 350 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:41.279 some kind of buddy that will at least guide me 351 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.000 from from completely dying out there. But I can function. 352 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.039 Every time I've ever gone to like a really cool 353 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.600 place like Japan, I'm always like, when are you going? 354 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.120 What flight are you taking? And then I will fly 355 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.279 to that person and then we will fly together so 356 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.679 that I'm not alone, because I don't want to die. 357 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:00.960 Is there anything in France for me? I've never been 358 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:06.639 to France. They got cheese, they. 359 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:07.960 Have a lot of cheese. Go to the Juro. That's 360 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.039 like all there is in the East. 361 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:11.039 I'm not gonna go there just for cheese. 362 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.919 Fred Meyer like, you'll be fine going to your local supermarket. 363 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.679 Trying to aspects of like French culture. You would like lunches. 364 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:21.519 Lunch is a big deal in general. It's a very 365 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.279 lunch every day I know. But they that's what I'm saying. 366 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:26.159 They go really hard on lunch, and the lunch you 367 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.799 have is not going to be I didn't know if. 368 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.600 You knew this, But in the Netherlands there's the city 369 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:35.440 of Guda, and it's Guda, and I thought, and I thought, 370 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.559 maybe it would be neat if you ever traveled to 371 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.279 the Netherlands. If I could convince you you could go. 372 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:41.759 To Gouda, I would like. 373 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:42.080 I like. 374 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.480 I think Europe in their cheese situation seems pretty good. 375 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.559 You just said you wouldn't travel to somewhere in Europe. 376 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.159 I've been. I didn't go just for cheese. I went 377 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:50.759 for Hitman too. 378 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:53.240 I can't send him to Guda just for cheese. You 379 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:54.399 need a secondary selling. 380 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.240 The cheese is a bone, that's all you need. 381 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:57.120 You don't know him at all. 382 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.759 Fact, I would say France is mostly people are going 383 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.319 for food. If you're in the south of France, it's 384 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.119 like it's very bougie vacation area, which I don't think 385 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:10.440 would speak to you. 386 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:12.599 I bet it would. I would find it beautiful and 387 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.000 be able to appreciate that right. 388 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:17.319 Pretty Yeah, it is old, which I think is like 389 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:24.160 architecturally really nice. I don't know, I like I struggle 390 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:28.400 in France. I haven't been there very often, but I 391 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:34.079 have struggled because that people don't always like tourism, and 392 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.599 they don't like people who don't speak French. 393 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.119 That's a very that's that's not at all but my 394 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:42.200 experience whatsoever, my experience, I know, but it's a generalization 395 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:43.519 that a lot of people espouse. 396 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:44.839 Honest generalization. 397 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.440 I don't. I think American people like foreigners less than 398 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.759 any other country in the world demonstrably. 399 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.640 I think it's honest. That was my experience. They were 400 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:55.279 pretty tough. 401 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.200 Also, didn't you also collapse a wall in Japan walking 402 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.880 into a restaurant like I think the problem Yeah. 403 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.000 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.799 I went into Kuda and was like, where's my cheese, bitch, 405 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.039 and they were like, we hate you and I was like, oh, 406 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.759 you hate English speaking Americans and they're like, yeah. 407 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.480 No, France can be I guess any country where they're 408 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.000 speaking different language can be tough because some people appreciate 409 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.839 you trying to speak a language. Others are like please 410 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.240 this and now he's in a child, let's do English. Yeah, 411 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.640 and it can be hard to navigate as cargo. I 412 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:25.279 love as cargo. 413 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:27.839 Yes, I don't really know the deal with snails. 414 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:33.119 I would try it, you know whoa whoa iventuring a 415 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.559 new era of being cool with food folks. 416 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.640 Ay, this was a big part of my triplet. I 417 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.200 accidentally tried mustard. 418 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.119 You had never tried mustard before? No? 419 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.160 Well, I think like Bonk took me to like a 420 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:50.519 nice sausage hostage mixed up hot dog and sausage plays 421 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:52.960 in San Francisco because she's like, if you're ever gonna 422 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:54.440 try it, try it on this like nice hot dog 423 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.240 or whatever, And I think I try to bite. But 424 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.400 I wasn't as open minded as I am now, So 425 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.960 I accident I got a turkey and Swiss sandwich from 426 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.319 the media lounge in. 427 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:05.640 At SGF Playdas. 428 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:08.079 Yeah, they had a bunch of wrap things, and it's like, 429 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:11.319 here's a capacola, here's this thing, here's it's just a 430 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.799 turkey and Swiss. And I looked at the ingredients and 431 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.480 it said like lettuce and had tomatoes. So I already thought, like, 432 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.039 you know what, I'm gonna be adventurous. I'm gonna eat 433 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:19.920 a sandwich with a tomato on it, yeah, and which 434 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:23.279 I never do. But it didn't say mustard, and so 435 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.920 I foolishly just dove right in head first. I took 436 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.519 a bite and I turned to Jan and Backler and 437 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.200 I was like, what is this? Like, there's like a tang, 438 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.799 there's a tang going on here. And I opened it 439 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:36.759 up and they're like, that's mustard. It's just like normal 440 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.000 ass mustard. And I was like, but it's like tangy. 441 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:40.640 It's like it's got almost like a spice to it. 442 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.160 And that's the thing. No one's ever fucking told me 443 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.119 that mustard has like a spice factor to it, because 444 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:46.759 we don't. 445 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.119 We don't. It's not the world's responsibility to explain everything 446 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:50.480 to you. 447 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:52.440 Well, somebody to explain it to you at some point. 448 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.640 No, I just just try it, like not a bitch, Yeah, yeah, 449 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:02.119 get them after forty years of being a bitch. 450 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:09.000 It was not like, I'll be damned, show. 451 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:09.880 Me that picture where you look like shit again. 452 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:15.279 Mary had. Mary had a georgeka Stanza moment that she 453 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.599 shared with us where she thought of like an insult 454 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.559 like days after it and uh, it's pretty rough. I 455 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.440 don't even know it's it's it's lethal. But anyway, Dan, 456 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:26.359 you're saying you like mustard now, well yeah, And. 457 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:27.599 I think I would have tried it a long time ago. 458 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.799 People like I think I just because it was yellow. 459 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.759 I was just like, I don't know what that flavor 460 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.759 could be because it's like what, it's not gonna be 461 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:35.640 like banana, and it's not gonna be like I'm fairing 462 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:39.200 to think of other yellow flavors, and I. 463 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:38.680 I don't know. 464 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.519 I thought it was gonna be like yellow mayonnaise or something, 465 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:43.759 and then it just had this cool tang to it. 466 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.440 And I haven't tried it again yet, but I'm waiting 467 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:47.680 for the right opportunity. I want to try it on 468 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.720 a hot dog. I want to try it on another sandwich. 469 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:51.519 I want to try different types. Yeah, I wanna try 470 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:52.599 honey mustard on nuggets. 471 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.119 Can I suggest what could be the next evolution of this? Yes? 472 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.319 There are many many different types of mustard too. My 473 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:05.240 favorite setting for mustard is like at German beer gardens, 474 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:07.880 dipping soft pretzels into the and mustard. 475 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.599 I want to try that because I love giant soft pretzels. 476 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:12.839 If it's ever on a MANI my order. 477 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:14.000 But a lot of times it'll be like you get 478 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.279 to pick three dips, and it's always like cheese and 479 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:18.599 a bunch of different mustard type spirits. And every single time, 480 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.119 I say, just give me three cheeses. And now I 481 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.839 want to mix and match because I already know I 482 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:23.640 love sat bread. 483 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.079 Mustard and mustard and cheese go together really well, and 484 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:29.359 I'll grow up my favorite. I actually don't. I also, 485 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:32.400 I will admit I also don't put mustard on anything. 486 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.039 I just don't really like mustard that much. I only 487 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:40.039 when it comes to corn dogs, I only want mustard. Oh, 488 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.039 and I don't know why. I'm going to make an 489 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.440 argument to you, and then you can test it out 490 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.319 one day when you're having Mani corn dogs, which is 491 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.720 my favorite. Oh yeah, many corn dogs. The bread is 492 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:56.640 sweet and so the tang of like a traditional yellow 493 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:02.480 mustard makes the sweet bread of the corn bread so good. 494 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.799 And then you get the mommy of the hot dogs 495 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:09.920 the only way I could describe them. And I just 496 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:12.400 think you get all of the flavor profiles with a 497 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:13.960 corn dog dipped in mustards. 498 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:15.960 I think it's I think I will try that. 499 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.039 I think it's god tear. But I actually don't like 500 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.640 mustard on uh like burgers. I only put ketchup on burgers, 501 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.119 but for whatever reason, like corn dog, it's got to 502 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:25.559 be mustard. 503 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:27.640 Dude, I'm not a fan of yellow mustard. I do 504 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.599 like spicy or brown ones with the seeds in it. 505 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.519 So describe like the just the normal ass yellow mustard 506 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.440 see McDonald or something like what is that? 507 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.279 That was my least favorite. 508 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:40.839 Yeah, this was that kind of brown. This is kind 509 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:41.119 of brown. 510 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:43.920 Yeah, that's that's like you actually get spicy seeds, and 511 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.440 the seeds are what makes it like really like it's 512 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.039 like horse radish kind of fills your mouth with a spice. 513 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:50.920 I never tried that. 514 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.400 Okay, I'm not saying that's similar. I'm just saying they 515 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.240 have similar Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. 516 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.000 I want to try everything now, this was a revelation. 517 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.599 No, yeah, like I prefer brown mustards. I like those. 518 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.279 Pickles, right, I've only like had like two or three 519 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.039 bites and pickles in my life because. 520 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.839 I think pickles also give the tang. 521 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.880 Oh yeah, that's okay, a real shot. 522 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.200 I believe mustard. I was just gonna say, I know, well, 523 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.559 the yellow yellow mustard does. I don't know if brown does. 524 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.160 Maybe it is involved somehow, but it does. Maybe. I 525 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:27.559 don't know. I like brown mustards. 526 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:31.279 Maybe you're learning that acid is like a really good 527 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.480 food elevator, right, not a lot, right, If you have 528 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:36.519 too much of it, it's probably like sour, like tough 529 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:40.160 on your tongue, but a little bit enhances sweet, and 530 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.279 it enhances like meat and other flavors. So like to me, 531 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:47.200 it's always about the right ratio. Maybe like when you 532 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.480 were a child, you were like wrecked by having too 533 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:50.319 much mustard. 534 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:51.920 I definitely never had as a child. 535 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.240 I don't understand psychologically how you can be so opposed 536 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:56.240 to something that you've literally I. 537 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.200 Don't either tried. It doesn't make sense and you know what. 538 00:23:58.279 --> 00:23:59.680 I thought, maybe he met his dad. 539 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.880 Yeah, I mean they're they're all freaks. But I thought 540 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.960 maybe like some mustard god in his eye, or no, 541 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.960 some mustard like beat the ship out of his sister and. 542 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.519 Are just off put Like some things have just been 543 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.720 off putting to me, but I still like tried them 544 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.359 at a certain point to back on mustard, even just 545 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.359 from spite, like to back on my dislike of it. 546 00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:24.519 Yeah, I think that, like, yeah, yeah, there had to 547 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:25.599 be some traumatic. 548 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.079 Thing your family member and now you hate yellow. 549 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.000 Nope, no, there's no log or two whatsoever. And I 550 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:34.440 think maybe something, no, I think something that's maybe making 551 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:38.319 me more open to doing more drying things is I 552 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.880 see Mike Manatti and uh he is. He's worse than 553 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.240 me when it comes to weird oat food stuff. And 554 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.319 so he will say something like, oh, yeah, I've never 555 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.359 had this thing, but I can't, like I can't eat 556 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:50.839 a grape. And I will in my head be like, 557 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:52.240 that's insane. You've never had it. How do you know 558 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.039 what it's like? And I realized that's me, and I 559 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.440 was like, oh shit, okay, I need to I need 560 00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:58.599 to try some stuff. 561 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:02.920 So yeah, the like you asked, whates cargo is, like, 562 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.480 I don't know if do you like mushrooms? 563 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.200 That's when I've started having and I don't hate. 564 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.960 So us cargo. The few times I've had it, which 565 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.599 I like it, it had an almost mushroomy texture, like 566 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:20.000 kind of rubbery, which is never enticing when I say it, 567 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.720 but there is like married like it's got that mushroom 568 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.720 umami to it along with the texture. 569 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:26.839 And can I sell it? 570 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.200 But they can. They can cook it different different ways. 571 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.319 Like usually they give you like a dish maybe like 572 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.279 a piece of wood or something like that, and imagine 573 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.319 you stuck your thumb in it and made holes in it. Okay, 574 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:43.359 you with me? It can wooden dish with thumb holes, 575 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.160 and in each hole is one piece of s cargo 576 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:49.480 And then they fill it to the brim with butter, 577 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:52.640 delicious butter. 578 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:54.599 Yes. 579 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:56.799 And then they give you, well it's not alive, but yes, 580 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.599 and then give you a fork that's like really thin 581 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.079 and long so that you can stick it in the 582 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.559 thumb hole and get your little piece of his cargo. 583 00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.880 And when you take it out, it's dripping in this butter. 584 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.799 So even if you're like I'm on the fence about 585 00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.039 his cargo. It's it's a butter delivery service. 586 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:17.559 Has anyone ever done like a kitchy like bowling theme, Well, 587 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:19.160 have they ever done like a bowling thing where it's 588 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.079 like you're eating escargo out of because I'm just picturing 589 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.759 finger holes in a bowling ball. 590 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.759 Like in the bowling Yeah. 591 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.400 That'd be like a kitchi like bowling high food place. 592 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:31.839 You know, there have been a bowling ball that's in 593 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.480 like the holes are flesh light kind of things, so. 594 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.440 You can fuck the bowling ball and eat cargo, eat 595 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.200 out of it first, and then fucking first of all. 596 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.960 This is the kind of thing. See, this is why 597 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:45.400 we should be in business. 598 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.920 Together, shape Dick. It's should be so wait. 599 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.279 That cargoes, shape Dick. Let me see what s cargo 600 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:55.319 looks like a pig's tail. No, don't want that. You 601 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.039 got it, buddy, I'm keeping my dick. I'm not doing this. 602 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.480 Not too late. You got to pigsail Dick. Nope, nope, No. 603 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.400 You're one wish and it has been granted. 604 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.039 No. But yeah, to your marriage point, Like, salad dressing 605 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.519 is acid adds, I mean salad dressing also is just 606 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.000 a lot of the flavor and some salads unfortunately, but 607 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.279 a lot of wine pairings are based around the acid 608 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.079 of the wine help playing well with the food. 609 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.640 I bet my dad wishes he was on this episode. 610 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.640 Yeah, he probably does. 611 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.839 Actually, if you just said the word umami, he would 612 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:28.799 have freaked out and left the call. 613 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.119 Describe a corn dog like some. 614 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.640 Gra I guess, so, I guess you're a real human 615 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.559 to some degree. 616 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.559 I think I use it to say savory, like I 617 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.200 think it's considered. 618 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:46.559 A fifth Yeah, it's like a flavor profile, right, yeah, yeah, so. 619 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.160 Did you know this? There are apparently, and I've learned 620 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:53.240 this from reading wine books, So umami is the sixth 621 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:58.279 there are apparently, so the country. Oh no, no, wait, no, 622 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:03.759 that's not that far offense, sweat, sweetness, sour, salt, bitter, 623 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.119 seeing dead people, seeing dead people. That was a good one. 624 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.839 Nice one, you guys we talked about when it's currently. 625 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:17.200 Uh umami and I'm probably missing one. But apparently Japan 626 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.119 is like leads food research in a lot of these ways, 627 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.960 or like how our tongues perceive flavor. Apparently there are 628 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.759 like two more that they're working on defining that they 629 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.519 are like apparently they're looking at how like taste buds 630 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:36.039 interact with nerves, synapses and how the brain interprets them. 631 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.079 And when they're examining these pathways, they're seeing that there 632 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.359 are like two more that do not fit into the 633 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:47.480 criteria of umami sweetness, sour, salt, bitter, what is the last? 634 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:48.880 I don't know, I feel like. 635 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.000 Do that really easily? Like like how they invent new 636 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.319 colors by being like, you see, this is a little 637 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.200 bit of a mix between green and blue, and we 638 00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:00.720 call it perry with sure yeah, like sure, yes, you 639 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.960 can do that. And you could be like this is 640 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.839 salt and savory, and so we're calling it. 641 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.079 Licky loo Oh No, you're right, Mary, it's the fifth. 642 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.799 But they're they're finding a sixth and a seventh. 643 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.359 But do you know what I mean, Like there's a 644 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.839 bit of like a pseudoscience to all of that unless 645 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.839 they're literally inventing a new flavor. But like when I know, 646 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.839 I'm a bit of a like realist of these types 647 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.359 of things, are like a purist maybe, where I'm just like, 648 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:32.880 we have a system, the system works sweet, salt, bitter, uh, savory, 649 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.599 and then apparently umami well. 650 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.440 Is in every color just from the primaries, the three primaries. Yeah, 651 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.480 so it's like when I hear new color, I think, like, 652 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.000 this is zip zapp and it's not based on any 653 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:46.319 of the primary colors. 654 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.240 You know, It's like eyes didn't like the giver. 655 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.319 You know, well, unless it's a color that's in an 656 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.279 eyeshadow palette for women, and then it's called like or 657 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:59.759 gas Matron four thousand. It's always named something so sexual. 658 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.200 Are all humans just a combination of like the same 659 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.359 DNA genes? Possible combinations? How many of the same person 660 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:08.640 you run into? 661 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:09.960 Who's a philosophizer? 662 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.160 Now it's not a philosophizer. I'm just applying the same logic. 663 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.960 I don't know anything about genealogy. I'm just saying I'm 664 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.319 pretty sure that like if you can mix and match 665 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.279 things and get new. 666 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:22.440 Things, all start us. 667 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:28.920 So you actually oooh like a joke, I met a 668 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.279 girl and I think we were next to each other 669 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.319 before the Big Bang because we read I've seen the 670 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.039 suck like such stupid fucking poems on Instagram. I used 671 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.640 to it'd be like we we must we must have 672 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.079 been near each other before the Big Bang. 673 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.000 It is funny when it's like people do hallucinogenics and 674 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.839 stuff that so many people go to that and like 675 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.160 I have only tripped like three times, and I remember 676 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.240 fully having that feeling when I was like eighteen of 677 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.960 like whoa, it's all energy and like nature and me 678 00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.480 it's all like why does everyone have that same weird 679 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.079 sensation and when they're tripping. 680 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.400 Because I, yeah, like I don't know what, Yeah, what 681 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.519 is it like about our brains opening up that starts 682 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.160 being fascinated by the galaxy brain ship? 683 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.279 Well, maybe because we're so far removed from our ancestors 684 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.440 where we actually had to give a shit about survival 685 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.559 and understanding the world. Like we're just so far from 686 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.279 the creatures that were us before, much like my dog 687 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.200 is so far from being a wolf that he no 688 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.759 longer is concerned. 689 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.480 With like, oh, he's dead in an hour if he's 690 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:26.799 on his. 691 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.880 Own, absolutely could not survive out in the wild. But 692 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.319 like there's there's elements of us that are still in there, right, 693 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.000 Like the same thing where like if you get really 694 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.920 upset or you get heated and you can feel your 695 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.119 blood pressure racing and you get really upset emotionally, that's 696 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.200 your fight or flight, right, Like that's the same thing 697 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.799 that happens if you were like a caveman. 698 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.319 Mary always fights, Dan always flights. 699 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.319 Yeah, that's right, or shows shows receipts. 700 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.680 That's a very classic move that used to do. 701 00:31:54.480 --> 00:32:02.119 Really, Grandpa used to do that in Korea. Who shows Dan's. 702 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.720 Great great great great great great great great great great. 703 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:05.920 Grandpa was like a sabertooth that's coming up. But he's 704 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:06.960 got this stone tablating. 705 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.119 Oh, I bought the spirit the cave down the street. 706 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.240 He pulls out a fucking dead fish with some writing 707 00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:17.240 on it. Uh, speaking of our ancestors and how we 708 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.079 evolved from it, I found out something cool recently. 709 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.119 Uh. 710 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.440 So have you heard the terms aperatif and digestif? 711 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.000 Yes, yes, you know. 712 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.359 The teeth is something you have after you eat dinner. 713 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:28.599 Yes, I've only heard. 714 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.880 You say them, but yes, I've heard the apparatif is before. 715 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.160 They're the same thing, it's just when you drink them. However, 716 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.920 they always a common thing they have like a NEGRONI 717 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.960 is a popular apparatif. Right now, they're all bitter. They 718 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.319 have bitters in them, which can be the shaky bitters 719 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.799 you have, or like in amara, which are actually like 720 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.039 a liqueur that you mix with other things. The reason, yes, 721 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.519 So the reason the reason we drink them is because 722 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.759 the apperatifs make us hungry. The dj just thiefs help 723 00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.119 us digest. But they're the same thing. How could they 724 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:05.319 do the same thing. Apparently human body recognizes bitter flavors. 725 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:09.079 It associates them, whether we know it or not, with poison. 726 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:11.559 Because our ancestors when they would eat stuff they found 727 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.240 in the woods and they tasted something bitter, they're like, 728 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:14.799 this is poison. I want to get rid of it. 729 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.079 So our body still reacts similarly and say like, oh, 730 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:19.759 we got to move everything in your system out, so 731 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.599 it makes you hungry, it gets your digestive track work 732 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:22.559 and shit. 733 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.359 I like to think of my stomach as like a bunch. 734 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.240 Of people like shit, shit, coal. Yeah. 735 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.160 And there's like one manager out there and he's got 736 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.440 like a notebook in a pen and he's like, it's shit, 737 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.519 we gotta move it out. It tastes bitter, get rid 738 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.319 of it. And everybody literally just starts pouring buckets of 739 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.759 water down the tube. And that's how you get tirea. 740 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.880 And someone's like it's savory. It's like no, it's too. 741 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.279 Mommy's like I don't give a fuck. 742 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.640 We gotta get rid of it's the ice yelling a 743 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.119 bit of a weirdo. But to this day I think 744 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.559 of like a bunch of men in the colon as 745 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.440 like workers keep figuring it out there. 746 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.519 I want to talk about genes, genetics great, So I've 747 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:07.559 been thinking about this lately. I don't remember what got 748 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.519 me going on this, but you know, like a dog 749 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.519 from like the Wolf Days and stuff will like because 750 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.800 it's it's interesting, I'll see certain animals and stuff on TV. 751 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.639 I've done this for where I show like Gizmo, like 752 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.519 a dragon from Game of Thrones. He doesn't give a shit, 753 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.719 but if he sees a wolf or other dogs on TV, he. 754 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:22.719 Freaks the fuck out. 755 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.159 So like or like people we know that like oh 756 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.119 we're not going to eat these berries, like something just 757 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:29.960 in our genes or our knowledge through their generations, like 758 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.239 you know, stuck around. So is it literally like experiences 759 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.800 can be like imprinted onto your genetics. 760 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.760 Like let's okay, weird hypothetical. 761 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.519 Let's say I had everyone in my family dating back 762 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.920 ten generations lived in a nation of clowns and we 763 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.039 were at war with clowns. Would it be imprinted on 764 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.159 my genes to like, if I just saw a clown, 765 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.320 even without the knowledge of my family's history or what 766 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.639 a clown was, that I'd be like, oh no, like 767 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.079 or the same way we see spiders and stuff like that. 768 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.440 That is it just like knowledge can actually be imprinted 769 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:03.320 onto genetics. 770 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:03.960 Is that the case? 771 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:06.920 I don't know. I know some things can be passed down, 772 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.199 like like trauma can be passed down. 773 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.199 The generational trauma things like that, Like yeah, like anxiety 774 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:14.960 and depression. 775 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.320 And examples of that. I think that even though your 776 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.920 use case is incredibly just unbelievably stupid, I do think 777 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.760 that is possible. And there's like lots of examples of that, 778 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.800 like for example, uh, cats are instinctively known to be 779 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.039 afraid of snakes, and so if you there's like that 780 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.199 joke er, if you like put a cucumber, you know, 781 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.079 snake like behind a cat when they see it, they 782 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.599 usually jump and freak out because they're instincts. When they 783 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.480 see like a cylinder traumatized snake and it breaks them out. 784 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.079 It's very people use it on YouTube videos all the time. 785 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:48.239 Pet them, they'll be fine. 786 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.960 Yeah, I don't know, if I mean it must. 787 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.039 Be the case. With humans too, like deep down inside. 788 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.119 I know, like evolutionarily, I just in terms of like 789 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.840 the yeah, because to your point, it's like, okay, physical 790 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.239 traits you carry forward because at one point they were 791 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.159 a mutation that helped that person survive longer, which helped 792 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.679 them reproduce and more likely to pass on that gene. 793 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.519 I don't know enough to not you and me buddy, right, 794 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:22.159 I don't know them along. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 795 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.000 I'm sure knowledge gonna passed on. I don't know enough 796 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.400 to refute it or support it. It sounds like a though. 797 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.559 I like to think it can work that way. 798 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.320 Yeah, Like stuff like you know, what is the thing 799 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.920 that triptophobia or whatever where you see like a design 800 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.400 and it's supposed to be like a beehive or something 801 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:35.880 like we have a natural. 802 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:36.320 Like oh ship? 803 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.280 Like is that just because over generations and generations we've 804 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.400 seen people or known people like snakes or bees or 805 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:43.920 whatever we know. 806 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.639 To avoid it? Like is that? 807 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:45.880 Like? 808 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.599 I guess I never thought of that actual just like 809 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.039 knowledge and experience would be passed down through gene. 810 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.039 Not just things that you're afraid of, but things that 811 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:52.920 you like too. 812 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:57.079 So that's where their instincts. I think you're describing instinct 813 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.280 I don't know we're describing No, I don't know. I 814 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:00.920 don't know. But like your point though, I don't know 815 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.880 if it's like a gene thing or if it is 816 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.159 actually like a brain pathway that we all have now 817 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.320 because so many of our ancestors that survived had it, 818 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.239 I have no clue. 819 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.719 Yeah, Like, let's say they were, uh on this one. 820 00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.880 If you came from a family of pilots, you know, 821 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.079 I guess that's a newer thing. 822 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:16.320 You know. 823 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.719 Let's say it's a family of warriors or something. 824 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.199 Yeah. 825 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.039 Yeah, Like if I didn't know anything about being a 826 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.760 pilot not long ago, Dan, Yeah, that's true. 827 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.679 The pilot's a bad thing. I'm schilding my nation and 828 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:30.039 the fielder. 829 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:35.360 Let's say that you're really good at splitting genomes. 830 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.559 Riding horses, Like if ten generations of me and my 831 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:43.480 family just rode horses, but all of my relatives died 832 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.039 before I was three years old, and I didn't even 833 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.519 know anything about horse, would I be able to hop 834 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.320 on and kind of know how to do this, you know, 835 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.400 or come to it more naturally? 836 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.079 You know, I'm born to ride. 837 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:55.880 I don't think you would know how to do it 838 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.119 right away, but you might be like predisposed to like 839 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.360 develop the skills more early. 840 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.639 Yeah, Like would you just come to it quicker, you know, 841 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:04.199 out of the. 842 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.719 Room, like with a half split and you're just like, yeah, 843 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.000 I mean I suppose so that. I think we're also 844 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.000 kind of talking a little bit about like nature versus 845 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.719 nurture too, right, Sure, a lot of that too. If 846 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.320 you're in a family of people who are like I 847 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.800 was born a cowboy and I die a cowboy, and 848 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.559 my grandpappy was a cowboy and my grandpap before him, 849 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:29.360 then you probably like literally as a toddler, they were 850 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.599 probably putting you on horses. 851 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.239 Yeah, I'm talking about like almost like that experiment, like 852 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.159 the twins thing where they got separated and like you 853 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.320 know like oh they both even though they've never met 854 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.039 each other and they didn't know the family or whatever, 855 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.159 they just still happened to be kind of the same person, 856 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:41.400 you know. 857 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.440 I Mean that's like one case, right, That's like, well, 858 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.519 I'm sure there's several cases like that where it's like 859 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.119 very unique, but how many of them are are also 860 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:50.719 like where they meet each other and they're like we're 861 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:52.320 fucking totally different. 862 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.559 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we talk about that. 863 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:55.719 One because it's not as interesting. 864 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.960 True top level stuff I'm reading suggests that a lot 865 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:03.559 of it's still being theorized, but it might not be genealogical. 866 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.559 It's more culturally transmitted, like we. 867 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.159 Talk, not like in print. 868 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.840 But there's like theories that you can have ancestral memories. 869 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.800 I think you just spent too much time at Kojima 870 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.920 Productions this year. 871 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.599 Maybe that's it. Yeah, I'm thinking about Genome Soldiers. 872 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.519 Maybe that's like the actual moment where Mustard entered your 873 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.400 mind and he accepted in you to like not be 874 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:24.719 so weird about food. 875 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.079 Yeah, Kajima is the guy to make you not weird. 876 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.280 I'm seeing a super up like I'm seeing like a 877 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.719 remedy game in which like you're all you think you're 878 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.559 playing des Straining two for a demo, but then you 879 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.400 zoom farther back out and there's like a one way 880 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.679 mirror and it's actually just a bunch of people pointing 881 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.519 laser Mustard beams at you through the wall. 882 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:46.880 It's at the end of Men in Black, yeah. 883 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.239 Yeah, or it's like a clockwork corne but they they 884 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.280 don't need the eye peel things anymore. 885 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.039 Sure, I would do the clockworkcorne thing if they could 886 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.239 do like a fun thing. You know, what is the 887 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.639 benefit of it would be what would be like a 888 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.440 smart one? Because they did it to make him hate 889 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.119 violence and stuff. Yea, So how could you use the 890 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.079 clockwork orange room to like make it like. 891 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.400 Oh, you can open up your mouth, not your eyes, 892 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:11.519 and we would just keep squirting mustard in there. 893 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.639 I don't think that would make me like mustard immersion therapy. 894 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.000 It's oh, I don't think it's starving and it's the 895 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.480 only sustenance we're giving you, and you're like, give me 896 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.440 my mustard. I'm hungry, and we're like squirting in your mouth, blobbing. 897 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.719 It down your gob donuts and hell. 898 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.760 Experience and be like mom, like that saved my life. 899 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.079 I don't want to do that. 900 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.599 I have to starve you long enough. I could fix you. 901 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.159 Dan give me three days in a fucking blank room. 902 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.320 I don't need to the fact that the reason someone 903 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.239 else needed to clockwork orange him was against his will, 904 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.559 Like the claws kept his eyes open, they had to 905 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.440 keep Yeah, I think you can just clockwork orange yourself 906 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.639 in a positive way anytime. He was you give yourself 907 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:53.119 enough time? 908 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:53.960 Could they give me? 909 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:54.400 Like? Fun? 910 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.039 Drugs and clockwork orange me into seeing a bunch of 911 00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.760 mustard footage, and I associate mustard with fun and good. 912 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.559 Point is you don't need a they You can do this. 913 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:04.679 To yourself, CLOCKWORKRNS room. 914 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.599 You don't need a clocker gorns room. Just stare at 915 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.559 mustard while you take drugs that you like. I don't, 916 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:16.079 they don't need us. 917 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:17.719 Let's just make it simple. Why don't I just try 918 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.159 this stuff? 919 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.920 Yeah, I mean. 920 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:22.760 Creating a cell. 921 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.719 Chinese water torture, where like we we you in a 922 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.880 room and we like lock your arms and legs you 923 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.039 can't move, and then we just constantly and slowly drip 924 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:36.639 mustard on your forehead and it prevents you from being 925 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:37.480 able to sleep. 926 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.360 I think I tried on a quarter founder. 927 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.599 If I told you my friends, I asked my friend 928 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.480 to waterboard me because I didn't see how it would 929 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.440 be stressful. 930 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.719 Yeah's horrible. Yeah, we waterboarded Temptorary and Aruba, and a 931 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:50.559 lot of people have it. 932 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.800 They're like, I don't. I didn't. It didn't make sense 933 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.480 to me how that was torturous. And then I did it. 934 00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.639 It's like drowning in the water. You feel like you're drowning, 935 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.159 but you just don't die. Like a long time. 936 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.920 Remember that during the controversy and uh Iraqi freedom and 937 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.599 Sean Hannity was boasting about like, it's not bad. I 938 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.599 would do it. I would give you waterboarded and then 939 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.679 I can't remember if something yeah, and then he. 940 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:15.920 Just absolutely didn't do it. 941 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.239 Okay, you didn't know it's you know, it's not good. 942 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.079 I remember one time when I was learning how to wakeboard, 943 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.199 I kept calling it waterboarding because I think that logically 944 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:26.159 makes more sense. 945 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:27.119 Oh yeah. 946 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.679 Everyone kept being like, you can't say that, and I 947 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.599 was like, it's very similar. And what's a wake? You 948 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.320 know what I mean? When you what. 949 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.320 Do you mean? What's a wake? 950 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.800 Well, when you s your snow, you're boarding on water, 951 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:43.880 you're waterboarding. 952 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.039 Right, but you wouldn't wouldn't work. 953 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:46.000 You're boarding on snow. 954 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:47.920 It wouldn't work unless you were in the wake of 955 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.039 a boat moving quickly enough to keep you upright. 956 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.079 But you really need the water, the wake made out 957 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.000 of Michael, I know the water's important. 958 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:56.199 I'm gonna take you down like a nineteen year old 959 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.880 did in my senior year of college. I swear to 960 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.440 fucking God, it makes sense to be a water boarder. 961 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:02.880 Mary. I'm with you. I'm with you. 962 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.400 Waterboarding removed from the actual horrible thing that just sounds 963 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.039 like a fun time. 964 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.760 Why why is it called surfing and not waterboarding? 965 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:12.239 I agree, I think it is. 966 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.559 It's just a bunch that's like, oh, that's a was 967 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.199 that a Dmitri Martin bit when he's like, I wish 968 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.360 I could have been there when someone was naming fruits 969 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.840 and vegetables and they're like, they pick up an orange, 970 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.719 They're like, let's call this an orange, perfect, and then 971 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.880 they get to the carrot and they're like, fuck uh 972 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:32.519 that's uh yeah. 973 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.079 Why do you run PR for waterboarding? Mary, Let's change it. 974 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:37.519 Make waterboarding fun. 975 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.719 For PR for Montica, make waterboarding fun again. I can 976 00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.800 teach you how to waterboard in like two days. I 977 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.199 just need a boat and some rope. 978 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.719 Wake wakeboarding is fun. I wakeboarded a lot when I 979 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:49.159 was younger. 980 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:57.480 It is fun, yeah. 981 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.280 And get hurt. I tube sometimes, but even then I 982 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:57.920 worry about it. 983 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.079 Tubing is fun. I really like water sports. I wish 984 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.840 I wish I was rich or knew a boat guy, 985 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.960 because I don't. It's it's so rare that I can 986 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.039 get in a boat and do. I usually rent a 987 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:12.800 boat once a year as like a treat, you know, 988 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.599 a sweet treat to me. But man, it's so cool 989 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:16.599 to have like a boat friend. 990 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:17.440 Yeah. 991 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.159 I'm spending some time at the lake at Ben Hanson's 992 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.800 lake lot this summer, like we always do. And last 993 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.519 time I was there, I think, is when they had 994 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:26.079 a brand new jet ski and it was their first 995 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.519 time out there and I had never driven one before 996 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.679 and went out there with Temptorry and Tempterorry was on 997 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.840 the tube and I was driving the thing and Tim 998 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.280 fell off and then I'm like, don't go, gotta reverse 999 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.760 or whatever. And I just reversed and caught all the 1000 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.760 rope up and the thing and just we. 1001 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:43.159 Had to like shouldn't reverse in most. 1002 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.239 Year, but Dave had to canoe out to the middle 1003 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.079 of the lake and like you know, tow us in 1004 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.719 and then uh yeah, we had to like get up 1005 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:51.400 in the guts and remove all the it was. 1006 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:52.960 It was a whole thing. I was prepared to have 1007 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:53.880 to buy them a jet ski. 1008 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:55.800 Yeah. 1009 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:56.480 They're fun though. 1010 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.920 It's fun trying to back up in a jet ski 1011 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.599 unless you really need to, and there's nothing. 1012 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.559 These are the clowns of the sea. They like have 1013 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.519 no harm. You can be such an idiot on them 1014 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.280 and the worst thing that happens is you get flung 1015 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.800 off and land in more water. 1016 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.360 Like would you drop your phone into the wilammet damn it. 1017 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.159 I'm sorry, I'm gunning for you a lot. I don't 1018 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:17.480 know why. 1019 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:19.760 It was such a sad moment. 1020 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.559 You guys. I tried calling it. Dan wasn't here when 1021 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.559 Jake was subbing in. I tried and it rang. Yeah, 1022 00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.079 it was a bag. Later that day at the bottom 1023 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:28.760 of the limb, it. 1024 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.760 Rang, and it's possible it's still ringing. 1025 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.480 We did a whole bit about how I could have 1026 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:36.760 FaceTime with like a fish, but it was a you 1027 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:37.559 can find that, guys. 1028 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.760 The boat home was so quiet. 1029 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.880 Well, yeah you did. You weren't busting Rick James or 1030 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:47.000 blaring Rick James on your phone. That's why. 1031 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.599 Yeah, I wasn't like doing a real cool tiktoks out 1032 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:50.320 there anymore. 1033 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.039 You Lamprey eels had a party though, at the bottom 1034 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:53.639 of that river. 1035 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.719 I did a flip off a boat once into the ozarks, 1036 00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.719 and it was the first day of the trip in 1037 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:00.639 my glasses. 1038 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.760 Wait, but into the Ozarks, like the hills, the leg 1039 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:05.639 of the Ozarks. Oh gotcha. 1040 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:05.960 Yeah. 1041 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:06.199 Yeah. 1042 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.719 We were on a boat and I my glasses on 1043 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.119 as I always do, and I just did a flip 1044 00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:11.360 and the thing and my glasses came up and I 1045 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:12.400 couldn't see the rest of the trip. 1046 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:12.800 Great. 1047 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.760 I've definitely lost my sunglasses in the ocean before thinking 1048 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.920 for whatever reason, thinking to myself, it'll be fine, just 1049 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.360 keep an eye, you know, don't don't let a wave 1050 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:27.280 splash right in the face. And of course a wave 1051 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.199 splashes you right in the face, you lose your sunnies 1052 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:33.679 and they're gone. They're gone sunglasses. 1053 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.079 We went to Key West right after our wedding, and 1054 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.079 I got really paranoid that my ring would come off 1055 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.119 in the ocean, and especially because I had I was 1056 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.199 like putting sunscreen on, which made me even more, you know, 1057 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.639 I was, Oh, I was looped up ready to go. 1058 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.239 Uh a little pig yeah, like a like a little 1059 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.239 piggy boy running around the beach and uh. And I 1060 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.920 was really paranoid. And then I was vindicated when I 1061 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.760 later found out that a friend's friend lost his wedding 1062 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.719 ring on a similar honeymoon. 1063 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.719 Paranoid. But that's why I have one of those, like 1064 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.840 just temperrings. Then you know they sell, and like I 1065 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:11.679 get the real one in a safe just because I 1066 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:13.639 feel really bad if I lost the real one. 1067 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.960 Gotcha this one? 1068 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.000 You could just get fatter fingers so that it can't 1069 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:18.519 come off. 1070 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.280 My weight fluctuates, you know, up and down quite a bit, 1071 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:23.519 so it's like, I don't want to get skinny and 1072 00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:24.639 then lose a wedding ring. 1073 00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.519 No enough to know about fingers to know whether you 1074 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.719 start losing much fat. 1075 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.719 Is the opposite. Whereas you gain weight and your fingers 1076 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.480 get fatter and fatter, you like cut off the circulation 1077 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.679 of your finger. Because I've seen people not be able 1078 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.119 to take off their wedding ring and then they have 1079 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.400 to get them like not surgically, but like you have 1080 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.360 to go to a professional and have them like grilled 1081 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:45.119 off because. 1082 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.119 Certain materials that you if you they're not careful with, 1083 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.480 then you have to like I forget the phrases, but 1084 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.800 you have to. Like jim Jimmy Fallon apparently had to 1085 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.000 do that finger he got gloved. 1086 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:56.360 That was fucking gross. 1087 00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:57.880 Yeah, he gloves do. 1088 00:47:57.880 --> 00:47:59.679 You know what I'm talking about? He gloving is like 1089 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.360 one of the worst things that can happen to you, 1090 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.400 but his his I don't remember what happened. But the 1091 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.360 point is is that de gloving is like essentially where 1092 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.639 your ring is coming off, but it's getting stuck, and 1093 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:15.360 so it just takes off your skin, like your skin 1094 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.239 comes off with it. That's imagine a glove, but your 1095 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.400 glove is you that's crosisted off like a section of you, 1096 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.000 and it's really fucked because there's a lot of nerve 1097 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.800 endings and shit like that. So even if they put 1098 00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.079 the glove back on, it's all flimsy and like not 1099 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:32.119 everything's connected. 1100 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.079 I've seen face off. You can just put the face 1101 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:35.840 back on and it'll heal back up. 1102 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.719 No, they didn't. 1103 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:38.800 They explain it. 1104 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.480 They did, they explained it. I forgot they did. Never 1105 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.280 mind that all my concerns. 1106 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.079 I had it once when I was on my honeymoon 1107 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.039 New Orleans, and I had the real ring still and uh, 1108 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.559 if we're walking a ton, if you're walking, I don't 1109 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.239 know if it's just for some of your your fingers 1110 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.000 kind of puff up and like, yeah, I had that 1111 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:56.320 kind of moment of panic and you just have to 1112 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.000 kind of wait. 1113 00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.960 But yeah, not a good feeling. 1114 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.239 I think it's in the cold they shrink. 1115 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.320 It's it's expanding and contracting, right, Like, that's how potholes happen. 1116 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:12.159 You both know potholes are from rank, Hey, potholes are. 1117 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:14.880 Potholes are from ice getting into cracks and expanding and 1118 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:15.440 then shrinking. 1119 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.679 If I'm not mistaken, I believe I read in a 1120 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.559 scientific journal that cold shrinks append. 1121 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:23.679 I think I saw Seinfeld. 1122 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:30.599 Not me though, not me my blog, but to thank you. 1123 00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:32.360 Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah. 1124 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.159 Yeah, And that's why I keep the apartment really cold, because. 1125 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:38.000 Then you want a man inside. 1126 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.559 She just thinks it's the a C all the time. 1127 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.000 It's freezing in here, Babe. We're in fucking Arizona. It's 1128 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.920 cold out here, Babe, it's cold in the desert type babe. 1129 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:56.679 Talking like rock climber. There's no rush from bowling George. 1130 00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.320 He's a favorite character of mine in that show. All right, 1131 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.480 you want to talk about video games? 1132 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.920 Yes? Sure, all right, start with the big item first, Dan, 1133 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.519 how you been liking the switch. 1134 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.760 To I love it. It's really good. 1135 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.320 I thought I brought it right here, but no, it's 1136 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.480 I got it while we're at SGF and obviously was 1137 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.039 a lot going on, but we had some time to 1138 00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.159 do some multiplayer Mario Card, we tested out the camera. 1139 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.280 We played a lot of Soul Calber two against each other, 1140 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.480 which was great. But yeah, it's I'm not gonna act 1141 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.519 like the hardware is, you know. I definitely don't agree 1142 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:33.760 with all the people that are like though, this is 1143 00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.440 like a boring console launch, like, oh, I don't have 1144 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:36.440 any hype for this or anything. 1145 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:37.840 I think that's crazy. 1146 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:40.920 But I can also see that like this isn't like 1147 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.119 a huge generational leap feeling thing. 1148 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.320 You know. 1149 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.159 It's like there are things that feel significantly improved, namely 1150 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.679 like the joy cons connecting disconnecting is so so much better, 1151 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.920 the screens better, but certainly in terms of like you know, 1152 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.400 graphics and stuff, which was always the big leap. You know, 1153 00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.519 if you look like, oh, PlayStation one to two or 1154 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:01.440 certain two D to three D, you know, it's like 1155 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.320 you it was bigger leaps back then. And looking at 1156 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.719 Mario Kart World, it's a beautiful looking game, but it's 1157 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.880 not like insanely different than Mario Kart eight, you know, 1158 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:15.000 So it's I'm a Nintendo guy. I always have been, 1159 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.119 so you know, I'm kind of a mark for this stuff. 1160 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.159 I'm loving it, even like the welcome tour thing that 1161 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.599 you know people should on and I think understandably, like 1162 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:25.000 if there was ever something that was supposed to be 1163 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.239 a pack in, you know, the tutorial game as people 1164 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:29.880 are saying it or whatever should have been, but there's 1165 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.960 enough in there. It's it's not this deep game experience 1166 00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:35.119 or anything, but it's got that Nintendo charm and polish 1167 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.320 to it, and it's fun running around this giant you know, 1168 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:40.320 switch to when you skate, when you're on the screen, 1169 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:41.840 and there's all these little mini games and stuff to 1170 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.000 show you how the mouse works and everything. So I'm 1171 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:45.960 liking that, I think more than most people. And the 1172 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:50.199 Mario Kart World is fantastic. It's again doesn't feel like 1173 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:54.079 this massive generational leap, just because eight was so fucking 1174 00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.440 good and had so much content by the end that 1175 00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.159 you know, the big additions tracks, yeah, ninety six tracks, 1176 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.199 which is insane, and like all the retro ones and everything. 1177 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.320 So it's like it's great seeing all the new tracks 1178 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.199 and everything here, but like the big changes or upgrades 1179 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.360 are not that like you know, the free Rome stuff 1180 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.840 is a fun novelty. It's not like a game changer. 1181 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.679 I would say the knockout mode that strings together a 1182 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.480 bunch of courses. I think that's maybe the coolest. Like 1183 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.320 actual new addition here is like doing this marathon race, 1184 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.840 you know, with twenty four racers across six tracks with 1185 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.440 no stopping in between. Like that shit's really cool. I 1186 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.440 think the stuff with unlocking all the different characters is 1187 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:35.960 super fun. 1188 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.320 Sorry, what do you mean? So it sounds like a 1189 00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.559 tournament almost. 1190 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.719 Oh, so, it's like it's like you're played like a 1191 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:44.400 burnout or other race in games where there's like an 1192 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.559 eliminator mode where it's like, oh, after the last few 1193 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.840 people blow up or whatever, you know, it's that version here. 1194 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.119 But it's like there's Mario Kart World, which imagine like 1195 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.519 the Fort's Horizon island or whatever it's that. And so 1196 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:00.920 instead of just like these disparate, you know, disconnected you know, 1197 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.960 four races or whatever, it'll put together like six races 1198 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.960 that are actually connected on the overworld map, and so 1199 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.360 you will start with twenty four people at the starting line, 1200 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:11.760 and every time you get to the next area, it'll 1201 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.559 be like Okay, we're gonna kill the last four people, 1202 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.960 and so yeah, you're playing this online, it's like, you know, 1203 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:18.559 if you get first place there, it's almost like a 1204 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:21.039 battle Royale type thing of like you know, you're outlasting 1205 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.719 all these other players. So it's it's also just fun 1206 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.800 happening like that much of a like marathon thing. It's 1207 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.880 not a two minute, you know, three or four lap thing. 1208 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.239 It is a long drag and it's super fun. Some 1209 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.400 people didn't like that, like a lot of the courses 1210 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.880 are really wide now and that there's almost like too 1211 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:40.960 much chaos, But the chaos is part of what I 1212 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.079 love about Mario Kart. And I feel like with the 1213 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.599 wide courses and all the cards, it's like Fury Road. 1214 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.039 It's just like a shit ton of cars going and 1215 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.519 everything's blowing up and it's just chaos everywhere, like in 1216 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:53.599 a way like more than Mario Kart is typically bent, 1217 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:55.280 and I think it's super duper fun in that way. 1218 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.400 And all the usual bullshits there. You're gonna get blueshelled, 1219 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.000 you're gonna get all that stuff and go from first 1220 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.880 to ten out of no means not your fault at all, 1221 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.239 but that's part of Mario Karts, so overall, love love, 1222 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.360 love Mario Kart World. Switch to Welcome to where I 1223 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.480 like more than I expected to. The hardware itself, I think, 1224 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:13.360 feels really great. 1225 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.119 It doesn't. 1226 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.039 It feels less like a plastic toy, like especially the 1227 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:18.480 joy cons you know, on the on the old one 1228 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:20.000 kind of felt like flimsy. I always felt like I 1229 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:21.320 was going to break that plastic off when I was 1230 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.039 disconnecting them. This one, they feel like more of a 1231 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.599 premium modern product, you know, cool. 1232 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:33.320 Steam deck, like in terms of comfort. 1233 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.760 I actually like the feel of this more than the 1234 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.559 steam Deck. I love my steam Deck and I use 1235 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.039 it all the time, but like this is thinner. The 1236 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.039 steam deck is bulky, and it does like it doesn't 1237 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.360 feel like a toy by any means, but it does 1238 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.719 have a lot of so much more. 1239 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.639 Power it can't be contained within the thinness of a 1240 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:48.480 little phone. 1241 00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:50.320 I mean, there's definitely more you can do with the 1242 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.679 steam Deck, for sure, like and I think going forward, 1243 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:56.000 I'll probably use them about equally depending on what games 1244 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.840 I'm playing. But I think I do like the feel 1245 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.960 of the this which two a bit better and I 1246 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.559 got like Ganky made a bunch of accessories for like 1247 00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.519 the little attachments and stuff that you can put on 1248 00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.119 there if you want more of a grip and things 1249 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.480 like that. So I've got that option if I fund 1250 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:10.599 like land in Bed and want to have a little 1251 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.880 more support there. But I'm very happy with that, very 1252 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:17.639 excited to see like Donkey Kong certainly see what their 1253 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:19.760 big holiday games are. You have Metroid things like that. 1254 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.400 So it's yeah, I'm just happy to have a new 1255 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:23.199 Nintendo console. 1256 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.079 What about you? You were talking about the camera, but 1257 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.559 I interrupted you. What do you like? What functionality does 1258 00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:30.079 the camera have? 1259 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:31.159 Oh? 1260 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:34.039 So it's really interesting because just like you set it 1261 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.199 at the front of the room and for instance, we 1262 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.400 were playing with Mike Manatti's brother and so we were 1263 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.480 several of us were in the same room and Mike 1264 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.599 Manatti's brother was in Ohio, and it has your face 1265 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.360 there and it imposes it over your cart so you can. 1266 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.559 See like across the bottom. 1267 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.760 It's like a discord call, so you can see you know, 1268 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.199 their their gameplay screen, you know, really shitty frame rate 1269 00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:58.639 and stuff like that, but you can see it and 1270 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.519 you can see their face. But then also in Mario Kart, yeah, 1271 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.679 it's just like a little like thing over your cart, 1272 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.199 and if I was playing with YouTube, I would see 1273 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:07.000 both of your faces. 1274 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:07.440 You know. 1275 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.280 I hit Mike with a blue shell and I live 1276 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.679 am seeing Mike's face react to it, and it like 1277 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.119 spins around when it gets hit by a shell or 1278 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:14.960 wipes out or something. 1279 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:17.639 Face genuinely is like your face in real time. 1280 00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.559 Yeah, it's like it's just a live camera feed and 1281 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.800 with one crazy yeah, well, with one camera you can 1282 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.079 have like four people's faces. It just detects them. Like 1283 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.559 at the beginning, you just like put a circle over 1284 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.559 your faces and you'll see everyone's heads over their carts, 1285 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:33.000 and it's like it's pretty awesome. 1286 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.199 I think I'll wait and see. 1287 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.079 You know, last time I was excited about this it 1288 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.440 was Xbox Live Vision camera for the three sixty and 1289 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.280 pretty much just worked for Uno on Xbox Live Arcade 1290 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.440 and I saw a guy in a Spiderman suit whacking off. 1291 00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:49.360 So that was my last memory of a console camera really. 1292 00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.000 But yeah, I'm curious how many people use it online. 1293 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:54.719 I still haven't been able to like dive in as 1294 00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:56.199 much as I want to since I've been traveling, but 1295 00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:58.039 like this week and weekend, I definitely want to spend 1296 00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.000 a lot of time with it, and I'll do the 1297 00:56:59.039 --> 00:56:59.519 camera stuff. 1298 00:56:59.639 --> 00:56:59.840 Oh. 1299 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.880 Also the microphone on the switch itself is kind of 1300 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:08.519 crazy because we were playing with CJ. Minati and it 1301 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.960 was right next to the TV or the switch was 1302 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:13.519 and we could hear each other clear as day. It 1303 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.159 does a really good job. It filters out the game sound, 1304 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.239 it filters out you know, things like air conditioners and 1305 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:23.039 vacuums and things like that. And you don't have to 1306 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:24.679 have a headset, you don't have to like, it's just 1307 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.760 it really works well. We were all very surprised by that. 1308 00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:33.280 I mean, I think it's great. Those are really small, minor, 1309 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:35.880 unique niche things. 1310 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:36.840 It sounds like. 1311 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:40.840 I haven't seen heard anything where I'm like I got 1312 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:42.320 to get what. I do have one, by the way, 1313 00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.840 because I'm also that person. So I mine came in 1314 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:49.519 the mail this week and I'm looking forward to testing 1315 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.920 it out. But yeah, like I haven't heard anyone say 1316 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.079 anything where it's like thank God I got it because 1317 00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.000 I have to have this item right now. It's like, 1318 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.239 of course I'm going to get it. I I don't 1319 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.840 want to not have one. I'm gonna get one. Got 1320 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:04.760 to have I got to be the person who has 1321 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.000 this item in case a game that I do want 1322 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:08.920 comes out on it. 1323 00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:12.280 Yeah, it's and even as the Nintendo mark I am, 1324 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.599 I'm I'm going to be realistic and say that right now, 1325 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.599 it's kind of just gonna be the Mario Kart machine, 1326 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.360 except for some of the updates to do to switch 1327 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.960 one games are significant. I'm not a Pokemon guy, but 1328 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:25.880 Pokemon people have told me that those games have have 1329 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:26.480 done a lot better. 1330 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:27.400 But mainly Zelda. 1331 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:29.599 I loaded up Tiers the Kingdom on it, and that 1332 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.679 is way more of an improvement than I expected, mainly 1333 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.920 like frame rate, because that game was you know, thirty 1334 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:37.880 at best most of the time. Now running at sixty, 1335 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.559 it looks fucking sharp on there. The load times are 1336 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.320 a lot better. I'm going to go back and play 1337 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.960 through Breath the Whild for the first time since launch 1338 00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.119 because of this thing. And I've actually heard the like 1339 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:47.960 the way it works, like the Zelda notes thing on 1340 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.079 the app now where you can like basically use it 1341 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:51.920 like a GPS and mark things you want to go 1342 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.960 to in points of interest on your phone. People have 1343 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.519 said that actually works really well. So I'm totally ready 1344 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:57.960 to go back to Breath the Wild after I'm done 1345 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:00.239 with Best Stranding and some of these huge games, you know. 1346 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.360 But yeah, it's that's been very cool cool. 1347 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.119 Yeah, I'll pick one up eventually, I think, uh, Mary, 1348 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.440 have we talked about claiup Scary yet? 1349 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.920 So I just played it is time I'm playing it. 1350 00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.400 Yeah, I like that game quite a bit. How far 1351 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:24.199 would you say you're into a few hours or so? 1352 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:26.480 Mm eight hours? 1353 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:35.800 Ten? Okay, so you're in like how many characters you have? Four? Okay? Gotcha? 1354 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.880 Yeah, I mean I had to replay a bunch because 1355 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.400 I'm not very good at turn based RPGs and I 1356 00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.880 usually don't play them. This is really out of my wheelhouse. 1357 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.480 And I would just like to say, much like Dan, 1358 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.599 I am growing this is my mustard. I just do 1359 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.800 not like turn based RPGs. I don't really understand them, 1360 00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.519 and I didn't grow up with them, and I find 1361 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:01.599 them like a little off pudding. And and this was 1362 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:05.280 the first time I was at Kojimas and he was like, 1363 01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:10.800 you gotta China. I'm joking about mustard. I had the 1364 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:14.119 opportunity to try this. Everyone says the story is really good, 1365 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:17.480 and I do like a good story, so I loaded 1366 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.199 it up, and the opening sequence is really good. It's 1367 01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:25.599 got a great hook. Quite I did not understand the premise, 1368 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.840 but the premise is so cool. Something like every year, 1369 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.280 this lady the Paintress like basically just pops a bunch 1370 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.880 of people into flowers because they've hit a certain age, 1371 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.760 everyone to be baby faced youngies. I think she's a 1372 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:41.440 total sick. 1373 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:41.559 Oh. 1374 01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:44.480 But yeah, she's like this god like demon goddess living 1375 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.039 across this like ocean that they could see, and she 1376 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.280 paints a new number every year, and everybody who is 1377 01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.559 that age just like starts to like vanish from like 1378 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:52.800 the like in the Avengers. 1379 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.360 But but it goes down right like it started at 1380 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.840 count four and this year's thirty three, and everybody has 1381 01:00:57.880 --> 01:00:59.639 thirty got bonked. 1382 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.360 Yeah, but this yes, And then basically they organize an 1383 01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:07.840 ex exposition every year once the number first changes, to 1384 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:09.800 go to kill her. 1385 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:11.960 Yeah, so, and it's super unsuccessful. 1386 01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.880 The thing that confuses me is that a couple there's 1387 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.440 a couple of gripes. I have this game. I like 1388 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.039 it quite a bit, and I want to go back 1389 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:21.079 to the combat because there are pretty cool things in 1390 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.159 the combat that I think caters well to people who 1391 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:28.920 don't love turn based save points in this game are flags. 1392 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.760 That's how they're depicted, and when you save at them, 1393 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.199 it tells you which expedition to put the flag there. 1394 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.360 Like you'll see a flag that says forty four, which 1395 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.159 means it was the expedition forty four. 1396 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.880 I think it's cool, and my confusion is and I 1397 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:45.679 think a part of the game I'm missing is I 1398 01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:48.440 think the expedition is always relatively young people. I don't 1399 01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.159 think the expeditions are ever like you don't have to 1400 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.920 be a certain age. One of your main characters is 1401 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.239 like sixteen, so she doesn't have to go on this 1402 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:54.679 thirty three. 1403 01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.480 I think they made her eighteen for safety purposes, but 1404 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:01.119 for whatever reason, she looks like she's about fourteen, and 1405 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.280 it does. It does. 1406 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.079 Trust me, she's because you have to find like parents 1407 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.079 die so they have to appoint guardians for the next 1408 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.280 So she's I thought they said she was younger than eighteen. 1409 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:12.119 I think I don't think so. I actually I'm gonna 1410 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:13.679 look it up. I'm gonna look it up right now 1411 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.440 because we have the power of Internet. 1412 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:16.480 I think she's younger. 1413 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:21.079 You're ubscure character age. 1414 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:26.079 She's males six? Is she sixteen? 1415 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.159 Hold on mal right? 1416 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.719 Yeah, I think it's weird. 1417 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.280 How easy I found this. A lot of people are 1418 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:38.440 looking for her age mm hmm. I think it's sixteen. 1419 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:43.440 Yeah so she yeah anyway, so yeah, they got these physicians. 1420 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:46.559 You're not catching me. 1421 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.559 She's not in the game. She's treated like an Ellie character, 1422 01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:55.320 and about it. She's treated like a child. Like I 1423 01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.519 don't think they sexualize her that much in this game 1424 01:02:57.559 --> 01:02:59.079 at all, Like form. 1425 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.039 Is so young and so petite, and I just think it's. 1426 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:06.519 Kids in video games. It's like airports. What are they 1427 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:06.960 doing here? 1428 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:11.519 How old do you think Princess Peaches like thirty four, 1429 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:14.679 let's google it. 1430 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.679 Prince Mario's thirty babies and death stranding. 1431 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:21.039 Early to mid twenties. 1432 01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.519 Well, that's a plot device. 1433 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.400 What about all the games you like are animated? 1434 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.519 Like a kid? 1435 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:28.079 Ever made? 1436 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:28.599 Was a kid? 1437 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:29.679 Ever made a game? Better? 1438 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.320 La was pretty integral to the last of us. 1439 01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.480 I guess, oh, baby Mario, Yeah, I think. 1440 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.079 Says baby, and I think like. 1441 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:45.519 Baby Mario, baby yourself. Yeah, all right, all right, but airports, 1442 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:46.159 get him out of there. 1443 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:48.719 Wasn't link like fucking fourteen and win Waker. 1444 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:50.000 He's twenty six. 1445 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:54.760 He's living with his grandma. You're just shouting numbers twenty anyway. Okay, 1446 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.360 my l aside, I don't think in so far as 1447 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.519 I'm twelve hours in the game, she's not sexualized in 1448 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:02.239 my mind at all. 1449 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:04.519 I don't think she's sexualized. I'm not saying that. I 1450 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:06.800 just think she's very petite, and they've made her look 1451 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:08.360 very young and petit in the game. 1452 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:15.039 Okay, yeah, sure, I will say I like that the 1453 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.519 so the combat is cool for those who haven't seen it. 1454 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.760 It's turn based. However, there's a lot of timing based 1455 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:25.239 things you can do to fight way above your level. 1456 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.599 I missed. What you're laughing at. 1457 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:35.360 Dan, is like trying to avoid any potential situation. 1458 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.199 I'm just disapproving because I feel like I have some 1459 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.920 people playing this game, a lot of motherfuckers on Twitter 1460 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:45.039 that are doing the like, oh, I'm so in love 1461 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.519 with it, like posting pictures of like their clare obscure 1462 01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:50.320 characters and now knowing that they might be like sixteen 1463 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:52.559 or something like, oh you fucking I'm blocking all you. 1464 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.159 I don't, I Dan, your favorite form of entertainment has 1465 01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.400 oiled up men wrestling. 1466 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.920 Who never heard that one before. Are kids, We're not caring? 1467 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.480 Are the adults? Yeah? Are they? 1468 01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:07.360 There's a grown man? 1469 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:12.800 Okay, sure, My point being that, like, I don't think 1470 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:15.519 just the inclusion of someone who's under eighteen in a 1471 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:16.920 video game is inherently bad. 1472 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.760 This is now just weird, knows I'm Blue Sky and 1473 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:21.079 shut the. 1474 01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:22.679 Fuck up while me and Mary talking about this game. 1475 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.000 Shut the fuck up. You're not adding anything. You're just 1476 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.760 shaking your head and being like, go eat mustard, be 1477 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.119 open minded in a different room right now. Mind it, 1478 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:31.840 because this game is really fucking cool. 1479 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:32.599 And I believe it. 1480 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:35.920 Try and get Dan gets the game. 1481 01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:36.960 The game sounds great. 1482 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:41.920 A weird job of describing it too, because my alls, no, no, 1483 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:43.400 you know what, No, I don't want to talk this 1484 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.719 game anymore. I'm done. No you didn't. 1485 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:49.840 It's not on there's a list, and I'm just saying 1486 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:51.239 she's young. 1487 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:51.880 No. Continue. 1488 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:55.199 It's like thirty two and they're on an expedition to 1489 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.400 kill the Paintress, and the second day land like the 1490 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:04.519 majority of their group gets annihilated, absolutely demolished by like 1491 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.559 some old guy, very strange behavior, and so now they're 1492 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:11.280 looking for the rest of their crew to go kill 1493 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.760 the paintress, and it's a uh, that's the story. That's 1494 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.400 that's it. That's as far as the story is really. 1495 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:21.840 I mean, like you're meeting other characters. I was worried 1496 01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:24.599 my Ale died, but we did find her. She's fine. 1497 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.920 And there's more characters. Now there's like a guy that 1498 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.400 doesn't talk. That's kind of weird and creepy. 1499 01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.000 But my point, Okay, going back to the combat there. 1500 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:34.519 Doing a good job again. 1501 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.920 No, no, no, no, there's just like I think, like, 1502 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.639 like I don't I also don't want to spoil much 1503 01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:40.960 of the plot, like I have to be. 1504 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:42.000 Careful with the story. 1505 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:45.559 Yeah, yeah, I think. I think it's cool that if 1506 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.679 you're not super into Turn Base, they still give you enough. 1507 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.079 You can counter attacks, you can dodge attacks. At a 1508 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.199 certain point, they start adding layers to that where you're 1509 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.400 actually jumping over certain attacks and then responding mid air 1510 01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:00.639 to those attacks. They if you can get those mechanics down, 1511 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:05.199 you can treat this game almost like a very high 1512 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:09.679 difficulty action RPG, in which you're beating a boss because 1513 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.239 you're just good at the game, not because you grind 1514 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.239 it out many levels. You can do that, and you 1515 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.800 can still definitely stay commensurate or like with the scaling 1516 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:20.840 by defeating enough enemies where. 1517 01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:22.480 You're still kind of quick timey. Though. 1518 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.800 Yeah they're they're quick time events for sure, but they're 1519 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:29.599 like they're not They're they're not represented as just like 1520 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:31.760 a button popping up on the screen. It's an actual 1521 01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:35.920 uh what's the word I'm looking for, diegetic animation in 1522 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:39.039 the fight right the boss. The boss like a square 1523 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.679 is not popping up from what I remember. 1524 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.239 Like, I mean, I like this game just like. 1525 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.079 I'm just saying, it's like a full way to integrate it. 1526 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:53.239 I'm not like a usual turn based RPG player. When 1527 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.719 I did a battle and they were like, when you 1528 01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:01.159 see a yellow diamond, if you don't jump, you're gonna 1529 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:02.800 take damage, and I was like, that's just a quick 1530 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.559 time event, baby, like, but what's cool about it is 1531 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:08.960 it doesn't have to be that. It could also just 1532 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.360 be an attack and you have to memorize attack patterns 1533 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:14.920 so that you can dodge or perry and the perry 1534 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.399 windows really thin, but it feels awesome when a boss 1535 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:22.800 is attacking one of my characters to dodge dodge perry, 1536 01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:27.640 or when the yellow icon comes up, you can jump 1537 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.399 and perry, and you do a lot of damage with 1538 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:34.560 your perry, So that feels like I'm in combat, not 1539 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:36.039 a turn base when that happens. 1540 01:08:36.119 --> 01:08:37.840 Yes, I will also say I think some of the 1541 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:42.319 characters combat design is pretty nuanced. It reminds me of 1542 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:46.880 Final Fantasy seven remake, where once you get Tifa, she 1543 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.840 fights in a completely different style to Cloud. Similarly, here, 1544 01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.640 when you have Mile, she's all about stances, kind of 1545 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:57.479 like like I don't know, like the Neo games or whatever. 1546 01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:01.600 When you get your second character, he's very much you're 1547 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.399 trying to build up a certain number of colored gems 1548 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:07.880 based on the element that you're attacking with in order 1549 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.479 to then spend those. And then the main character is 1550 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.439 just like do enough attacks and then you do a 1551 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.439 crazy fucking arm attack. 1552 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.479 With your weird yeah arm. Yeah, he does like lightning. 1553 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:23.199 They all do different types of moves, like his big 1554 01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:28.520 one for me is lightning. The little girl does physical damage, 1555 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:32.960 and the floating girl I call her floating because I 1556 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:34.359 think she floats most of the time. 1557 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:36.399 In the overworld. Yeah, you can travel around with her. 1558 01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:36.960 I stick to her. 1559 01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:40.119 I gave her an AOI move, and so they all 1560 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:43.520 have different purposes. One is AOI, one is physical, one 1561 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.840 is electric. That way, I always have something based on 1562 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:50.720 what somebody's weakness is, which I have enjoyed. There's also 1563 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:52.840 just things you need to know about different enemies. There 1564 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:56.039 were these underwater enemies that have this mine above their head, 1565 01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:58.439 and if you don't shoot the mine, you're in deep shit. 1566 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.720 But as long as you shoot the mine, then it's 1567 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.479 a cakewalk baby. In fact, they die like immediately, So 1568 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.199 a lot of us just figuring out, yeah. 1569 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:06.880 There's three of them, you can chain it. 1570 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.359 It's crazy. Yeah. And yeah, a lot of them have 1571 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:12.000 like a face hole, and if you shoot them right 1572 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.520 in their hole, it takes out like thirty percent of 1573 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.279 their health. So I'm learning pretty quickly, like secrets of 1574 01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:19.319 how to get through it. 1575 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.720 Yeah, I will say like I do have some gripes 1576 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.319 I get. On the one hand, I respect that they 1577 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.319 don't give you a mini map because you literally you're 1578 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.960 on an expedition to map this world out the continent 1579 01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:38.199 they call it. It still gets pretty obnoxious to not 1580 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:40.560 have a minimap, and some of these areas are pretty 1581 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.399 labyrinthine and it's a bit annoying to not have a minimap. 1582 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:45.479 Tracking where I'm going. 1583 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:50.000 I have side areas with like secrets, lots. 1584 01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.560 Of snaking like metrovens, but collectibles and shit. 1585 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:52.840 Like. 1586 01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:56.439 Yeah, they're pretty intricate worlds, especially the farther you go into. 1587 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.600 And I will say some of these areas are really cool, 1588 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:02.800 like the uh one of the earlier like regions you're 1589 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:07.199 in is like underwater coral reef, but you're not really underwater. 1590 01:11:07.279 --> 01:11:10.000 It's just like there's a coral reef around you. Later 1591 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.640 on you go and you start fighting or you start 1592 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:19.039 fighting and befriending. Like they're made of like burlap and wood. 1593 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:20.800 They're like animated. They kind of remind me of the 1594 01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:27.159 from What's Breath of the Wild kind of cook ish, 1595 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:29.600 but like with burlap involved, like they took stuff from 1596 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.000 around the woods. But yeah, I like it a bunch. 1597 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:39.279 I don't. It's also super French, like they swear in French, 1598 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:43.439 they like mutter stuff under their breath in French. I however, 1599 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.239 I don't know if it's like a translation thing. I 1600 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.439 think some of the dialogue falls flat for me. It's 1601 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:51.239 also does throw me off a lot. Not only does 1602 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.960 the main dude look like Robert Pattinson, the guy there's 1603 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:57.239 an older guy pretty early in the game who I 1604 01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.960 swear they use Pierce Brosnan's face for and that threw 1605 01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:02.520 me and I could. I was like, I can't be 1606 01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:03.760 the only one I looked it up. I was not, 1607 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:08.359 but yeah, I don't know. It's it's cool that like this. 1608 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:11.680 Obviously it's a reductive term, but like this Double a 1609 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.680 studio that hadn't really made an RPG like this before, 1610 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.800 I can kind of, you know, make waves with it. 1611 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:23.199 I don't know how successful it was monetarily, but I 1612 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.199 just would like to see more games fill that gap 1613 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.760 between indie and Mega Quadruple A. Yeah, so that's good. 1614 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:33.359 I'm saying it's perfect, like it gets it's getting such high. 1615 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:33.640 Yeah. 1616 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:35.520 I was like, I guess I gotta try it because 1617 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.560 it's probably gonna come up for Gody, which is why 1618 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:41.119 I like gave it such a try. Even though this 1619 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:44.399 isn't usually my jam, I will say the audio is 1620 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.600 fucking fantastic. This is one of the best soundtracks I 1621 01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.000 have ever heard from a game. I have let these 1622 01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.640 songs play. I've been in Boss bites where I was 1623 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.039 like about to die and I was like, oh, yeah, 1624 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:58.560 I'm about to die. 1625 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.600 I was the battle shaking my head. 1626 01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.680 I was loving it and even though they were gonna 1627 01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:05.079 absolutely annihilate me. 1628 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:09.600 The music is Yeah, there's certain like there's certain parts 1629 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.319 in like the uh in the woods where you're where 1630 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.319 you're fight those burlapped monsters, the Ska Patats they call them, sorry, 1631 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:20.720 they're they're like these mechs they put together through like potatoes, 1632 01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.760 like canvas and tents and poles. They made like these 1633 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.800 mechs to defend the woods. And I believe it's just 1634 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.119 sack of potatoes and French. But like these Korok things 1635 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:36.119 I'm I'm usually really adverse to or averse to. What 1636 01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:39.039 were those animals they made for the Force Awake or 1637 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:43.800 Last Jedi? That clearly works, Yeah, just to sell merch there, Yeah, 1638 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:46.920 wish I get it. I feel like I was expecting 1639 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.880 that to be these critters in first, but they're kind 1640 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.159 of funny because they're just this these little French dudes 1641 01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.760 running around the woods like making these mechs and like 1642 01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:58.039 the Soka Pats are supposed to be invincible and then 1643 01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.439 like they have a megaphone, like in the woods, they're like, 1644 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.439 release our biggest weapon, and it's it's just a giant 1645 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.600 socapatat with like a shield that comes up with spikes 1646 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:09.680 on it. I don't know's there's like a lot of 1647 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:11.720 character to this game, and the sense of humor is 1648 01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.039 pretty funny at certain times, like I just wish I 1649 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:19.840 just want a minimap and I I'm not as taken 1650 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.079 with the storytelling. The premise is super cool, Like the 1651 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:26.359 game so far has just ridden the wave of that 1652 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.439 initial premise really well. I some of the character relationships 1653 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:32.720 are just not hidden for me, but I like it 1654 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:35.920 quite a bit. The combat is I don't know that 1655 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.720 I like it as much as like Metaphor Say, which 1656 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:40.239 I always think. I also think was a really innovative 1657 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:41.359 turn based How long. 1658 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:43.439 Eating Daniel play this game for before he quits? 1659 01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:46.119 I think no, I think I might like it is 1660 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:47.880 Bonks played a lot of it, and I've watched a 1661 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:49.760 lot of it, and and honestly, if I was going 1662 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.039 to get into a turn based RPG, it needs to 1663 01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:55.239 be something that has some sort of gaming element during 1664 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.079 the fights and like you know, like a timing thing 1665 01:14:58.159 --> 01:14:59.760 like That's why I like Paper Mario, That's why I 1666 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:02.880 like In Luigi because it's crona trigger because there's timing 1667 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:04.760 based things that like makes me feel like I'm playing 1668 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.720 a game during the fights, and that's what I've seen 1669 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:09.000 from this, and I love the look of it. 1670 01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:10.199 You're right about the music. 1671 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:12.399 It has been like so many times I've walked through 1672 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:14.159 the room and seeing her doing something, I'm like, what's 1673 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:15.640 going on here? And like it seems to have some 1674 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.520 like whimsy between it, like weird mini games and things 1675 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:22.119 like that, and like the personality of it seems pretty evident, 1676 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:25.560 and I am curious about it again after destranding in 1677 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:27.119 a bunch of these other bigger ones and stuff like, 1678 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.359 I would like to have played a significant amount by 1679 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:30.000 the end of the year. 1680 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:30.560 Yeah. 1681 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:33.399 Yeah, there's been bosses where I'm like, oh man, I'm 1682 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:35.279 under leveled. They really wanted me to explore more of 1683 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.840 this area, but because I figured out the attack patterns, 1684 01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:41.960 I very much got through it. And it feels great 1685 01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:44.399 because some of them have like five attack combos that 1686 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:46.359 you really need to like oh he he kind of 1687 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.479 stutters on this one before he smashes the ground, And 1688 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:51.279 they really do not have a big window for the 1689 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.039 dodge or the perry, especially the peril. 1690 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:55.600 It's pretty cruel, but I think what's cool about it 1691 01:15:55.800 --> 01:16:01.359 is is you can change the uh, you can change 1692 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.199 the rate of like how difficult the game is in 1693 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:07.479 the settings at any time, which I really appreciate. And 1694 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.640 because I was scared at the beginning of this game, 1695 01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.279 the very first enemy I came across, for whatever reason, 1696 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.720 so difficult and so impossible for me. I had to 1697 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:19.600 change it to easy mode because I was like, obviously 1698 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:21.319 I'm bad at these games and I'm going to suffer 1699 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:23.560 through this. But then the rest of the boss fights 1700 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:25.800 or not boss fights, the rest of the enemy fights 1701 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:29.800 were so easy. I changed it back to regular, And 1702 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:34.239 I think what happened was somehow on my very first expedition, 1703 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.680 I just came across a side street with a very 1704 01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.880 difficult boss that was too difficult for me. 1705 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:43.479 Oh yeah, Like there are little mini secret mini bosses, 1706 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.359 like did you fight that Pinocchio? Dude, Yes, he's the 1707 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.359 Minster or the the I don't know, he's a puppet. 1708 01:16:49.439 --> 01:16:53.079 But you get really cool powerful you get items. 1709 01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.800 Really good loot behind them. But I didn't know that, 1710 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.279 and I just thought maybe the game was insanely hard 1711 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.359 and I didn't know what I was doing. It turns 1712 01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.600 out you absolutely can play this on medium or even hard. 1713 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:05.680 I've tried all three modes just to test them out 1714 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.840 and see how hard it is. And like you said, Mike, 1715 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.119 as long as you're willing to really read the attack patterns, 1716 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.199 this isn't so much in my opinion, about min maxing 1717 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.359 my damage. It was about not taking damage as long 1718 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:21.359 as I could figure it out. Eventually you can win 1719 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:25.399 once you learn their attack patterns. So that's been fun 1720 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:29.279 for me, and I have enjoyed. I actually think, now 1721 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.560 that I've played enough of it, easy is too easy. 1722 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.479 I still think hard is a bit too hard for me. 1723 01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:40.439 And yeah, regular margin changes. It's crazy. It's like it's 1724 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:40.960 the dodge. 1725 01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:43.399 Yeah, the dodge is like the window and hard is 1726 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.439 just like if. 1727 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:47.720 You blink, it's gone. I didn't. I didn't know that. 1728 01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:52.279 I thought the the damage you take increases on higher difficulties. 1729 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:53.000 I don't know the window. 1730 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.359 Oh okay, I think because when I was on easy, 1731 01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:58.680 it was giving me like ten damage for every time 1732 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.159 I took a hint, very forgiving. Yeah, but I felt 1733 01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:04.199 like it was easier to dodge on easy mode. 1734 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:07.039 So huh. That a balance though, because like you get 1735 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:08.319 used to easy and you go up to medium and 1736 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:10.119 then you're like muscle memory just completely. 1737 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:14.359 Maybe I'm wrong. I definitely know damage you take goes 1738 01:18:14.479 --> 01:18:16.760 up and down, but I thought it was easier to 1739 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.199 dodge on regular than it was on hard mode. 1740 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:23.880 Gotcha. Yeah, No, overall I like it. I again just 1741 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.920 like Navigationally, I wish they just like threw you know, 1742 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.000 immersion to the wind and let me have a mini 1743 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.039 map because there are a lot of branching pathways in 1744 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.600 this world and almost like you forget you're playing an 1745 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:39.279 RPG when you don't get into combat for a while, 1746 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.399 it feels more like a three D platform or collectithon 1747 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:44.840 because you're exploring so many pathways. On the side, I 1748 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.880 left for four days to travel for work. I came back. 1749 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.119 The game is also not great, like the journal does 1750 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:54.000 not tell you much about what you're supposed to be 1751 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.039 doing at parts. I also didn't have a mini map 1752 01:18:56.119 --> 01:19:00.359 pointing me anywhere. I got turned around easily. Uh, pretty 1753 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.720 old school in that regard. I will just say, maybe 1754 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:05.600 try to play through it in one stretch of a 1755 01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.239 few weeks or whatever it takes you. But yeah, overall, 1756 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:10.920 it's it's wrong. Is it not super long? I think 1757 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.199 thirty hours oh, I think thirty. 1758 01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:15.720 That's my other reason why I usually don't play turn 1759 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.840 based RPGs is because like the idea of like dumping 1760 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.079 sixty to eighty hours in a game is like very 1761 01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:24.039 overwhelming for how much I'm working and traveling this summer, 1762 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.800 and so like That's why I really like these shorter 1763 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:30.239 experiences that make me feel like I've achieved something in 1764 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:33.880 a smaller amount of time. But thirty hours is so reasonable. 1765 01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.359 Yeah, no, it's it's uh, like I said, I would 1766 01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:40.520 love to see more RPGs of this size keep coming out. 1767 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.399 It's almost like the turn based version of like Outer Worlds. 1768 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:45.079 When that came out, I was like, oh, this is nice. 1769 01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:46.800 It's like twenty eight hours. You could beat it in. 1770 01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:50.439 I think a vowed is around there as well. You 1771 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.159 guys I think have beaten it. I haven't. 1772 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:55.039 I think that was like fifty to Oh, I can't remember. 1773 01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:56.399 Maybe fifty. No, it was like fifty sixty. 1774 01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.119 I think I didn't finish avout. I would like to. 1775 01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:00.600 I would like to go back to it. 1776 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:07.920 I have been overwhelmed by other things, speaking of which. 1777 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:12.319 Yeah, you two. You two have both been playing pip 1778 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:14.119 Ostrello and the Cursed Yo Yo. 1779 01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.039 Possible contender for Worst Game name of the Year. 1780 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:19.239 It's not good. It is not good. 1781 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:20.359 Want to play it? 1782 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:26.079 I almost overlooked this game because graphically it is uh No, 1783 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:29.520 it's actually really cool graphically, but like if you look 1784 01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:32.359 at the cover art, it looks bad because it's like 1785 01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:36.640 a mouse weird thing with huge eyes. The colors are 1786 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:39.520 super saturated. I think it's almost garish, Like at your 1787 01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:42.119 first look at it, it looks. 1788 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:46.159 Like like almost Pennies Big Breakaway if like, yeah, it's 1789 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:47.359 just it's an uglier look. 1790 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.880 I think it's an ugly like the aesthetic is so saturated. 1791 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:53.399 The blues are like a vivid blue and a vivid red, 1792 01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:55.319 which I think is hard on the eyes. I'll tell 1793 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:57.960 you what did get me though. It said it was 1794 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:02.159 a Yo Yo Vania. It said the first Yo Yo Vania, 1795 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:05.800 and I was like, I like Metroidvania. I feel like 1796 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.640 I can deal with this. To check it out, Dan, 1797 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:11.840 I'm really curious what you think. But like my instinct was, I, 1798 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.560 I've actually really freaking enjoyed this game. I've really liked 1799 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:17.039 it so far. 1800 01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:19.760 Yeah, I'm really impressed too, because, like I don't know, 1801 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.600 I love Zelda and specifically top down Zelda with like 1802 01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:24.560 Links to the Past being my favorite ever. And so 1803 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.920 I've played so many like link to the Past likes, 1804 01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:32.319 you know, and even like one that's like decent, I 1805 01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:34.239 will enjoy just because it's like, oh, this reminds you 1806 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.239 of Linked in the past. This one actually has some 1807 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.439 interesting ideas of its own, Like even just like the 1808 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:41.319 yo yo thing is its own deal, and like you know, 1809 01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:43.399 it's got these things where you're ricocheting it off like 1810 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:46.520 angled walls to hit things and collect things, and it's 1811 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:47.960 almost a mix of like you know, the hook shots 1812 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.479 and Boomerang and Zelda. Yeah, but good puzzles with that, 1813 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.600 but like also smart ideas that are kind of like 1814 01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.239 the way that upgrades work when you were taking out 1815 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:59.359 a contract, So you're basically like leasing your upgrade. So 1816 01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:02.199 it's like, okay, you're gonna have you're gonna do one 1817 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:05.239 more pip of damage, but in the meantime, until you 1818 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:08.159 pay this off, you were gonna take more damage or 1819 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:11.600 something like that, or until you pay it off, like yeah, yeah, 1820 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.119 And so it's like, as you're collecting money by defeating things, 1821 01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:16.600 a certain percentage will be going to your pockets and 1822 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:18.600 a certain potent will be going towards paying it off, 1823 01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:20.520 which I think that's a really fun way to do it. 1824 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:22.600 Instead of like, oh, I got a haul, you know, 1825 01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:25.439 three hundred coins to this guy to buy it. It's like, well, 1826 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.079 you've had it now, but you're gonna have a little 1827 01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:29.600 bit of a handicap until you pay it off. 1828 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:30.600 Like, I think that's pretty cool. 1829 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:33.239 I love that system. I think it's so neat and 1830 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:36.000 I've never heard of anything like this before, a debt 1831 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:39.479 collection system. Every time I get coined, it does change 1832 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.399 the way I play the game, because now, yeah, when 1833 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:46.000 I'm fighting things, the coins disappear very quickly, and so 1834 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.960 I'm killing something and like and like sucking all the 1835 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.319 coins up because I owe a five hundred dollars debt 1836 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:54.079 and until I pay this debt, I have two hearts. 1837 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.319 Too hard it is to survive a giant area full 1838 01:22:57.319 --> 01:22:59.359 of things trying to kill you when you can only 1839 01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:02.079 take one hit or and then you die. And when 1840 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:04.359 you take a hit it costs you money that's in 1841 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:07.640 a portion of your total dollars, which is so fucking rude. 1842 01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:09.800 By the way, So I have five hundred dollars I'm 1843 01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.720 getting hit with like an eighty dollars fee every time 1844 01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.880 I die. Money is precious in this game, so that 1845 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.239 I find that the system stresses me out makes me 1846 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.760 take it very seriously because I got to pay off 1847 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:22.199 my debt. 1848 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:25.720 Yeah, it's it is smart and it is doing unique 1849 01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.359 things that Like I think Link Between Worlds had that 1850 01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:30.720 system where you would like rent items, like so like 1851 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:32.920 you rent the hook shot and I can't remember how 1852 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:34.199 like if you found it in the world then it 1853 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:36.560 would be permanent, or if you paid a much bigger 1854 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.760 fee or something, then you could own it. But I 1855 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:40.760 think this is kind of a smarter, cooler way of 1856 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:42.760 doing something like that instead of just like here's the 1857 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.880 dungeon where you get the boomerang, you know. Yeah, so 1858 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.239 it's in the look of it, like the key art, 1859 01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:52.039 like you said, Mary, is pretty gnarly, but in game, 1860 01:23:52.199 --> 01:23:53.600 I think it looks pretty sharp. I think it's a 1861 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:57.600 good looking game. It's one it'd be perfect for like 1862 01:23:57.640 --> 01:23:59.279 a Steam deck. Actually, now that I'm gonna be carrying 1863 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:00.760 Switch around more kind of want to get the Switch 1864 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.239 version because I'm only maybe an hour in something like that, 1865 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:05.640 maybe a little more so i'd restarted on the Switch. 1866 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:07.880 But yeah, I really enjoyed when I played so far. 1867 01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:11.319 It's it's got some really fun moves coming up as well. 1868 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:14.119 I almost got like almost animal weld when I was 1869 01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.840 playing it, because I, you know, just like any metrodveining, 1870 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.560 you'll come across the space You'll be like, well, I 1871 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:21.439 don't know what to do here, you know, because you 1872 01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:24.359 can only jump two squares and the game is very 1873 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:27.159 block shaped intentionally so that you know how far you 1874 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.479 can jump or how far you can throw your yo yo. 1875 01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.199 I think you can throw your yo yo three, but 1876 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:36.520 you can only jump too. And I came across these 1877 01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:37.960 spaces where I was like, I don't know what I 1878 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:40.560 can do here. I guess nothing, And then I finally 1879 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:43.239 got a new yo yo move, and now it's opening 1880 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:47.479 up a whole world for me. It's essentially like a 1881 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.600 travel system, so now I can like get to areas 1882 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:52.640 I couldn't get to before it. It was so fun 1883 01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:54.920 because it's all yoyo based, so like I've always had 1884 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:56.760 the yoyo, but now I have like this really fun, 1885 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.159 new cool way to use it that's like altering my 1886 01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:03.279 play style and every way. I also got a really 1887 01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:07.039 fun You probably saw this even if you've only played 1888 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:08.560 an hour. But do you know when you start the game, 1889 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:11.159 it says you can walk anywhere. So the way this 1890 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:13.920 game is built, unlike a Zelda where it's like you 1891 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:16.960 have to get this move first, in this game, you 1892 01:25:17.039 --> 01:25:20.319 can walk anywhere you want and just figure it out. 1893 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:23.600 And I went into like a mall and I got 1894 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:27.439 this really cool dash move that essentially allows me to 1895 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:31.199 travel past water. And now I also got a what's 1896 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:33.800 it called, like a not a dash we were just 1897 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:37.680 talking about it, where you basically a parry thank you, 1898 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.479 and you can shoot bullets back at people. And there's 1899 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:43.600 all these be cops and I was these be cops 1900 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:46.359 are so stressful. They can really totally kill you. Once 1901 01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:50.000 you learn the perry, it's it's so smooth, dude. So 1902 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:53.399 like I'm in classic Metroidvania style, which is the thing 1903 01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:56.439 I love about these games. There are places that you 1904 01:25:56.520 --> 01:25:58.680 don't understand what to do, or there's people that you're 1905 01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:00.960 afraid of because they're very different cult but once you 1906 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:04.880 obtain the correct skills, it's like you're God. You're just 1907 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.960 walking around there and like, absolutely I can traverse that water. 1908 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.840 Absolutely I can kill all these be cops. And it's 1909 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.119 just like no problem at all. The fast travel system 1910 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.079 is also pretty convenient. There's phone booths everywhere. There's a 1911 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:21.159 whole sewer system that's essentially the same map but underground, 1912 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:23.960 which is really fun to navigate. They put a lot 1913 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:25.119 at work into this game. 1914 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:27.319 Yeah, the fast Travel is like you're just basically spending 1915 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.680 money to unlock it permanently, right, like the fast Travel. 1916 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:30.279 I like that. 1917 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.039 I think that's fun. Like they do make money matter 1918 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:35.079 in this game more than I think like rupees and 1919 01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.199 a Zelda would. So you definitely are, you know, encouraged 1920 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:39.000 to get everything you can. 1921 01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:41.439 Well, not only do you have to spend them on 1922 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:45.159 paying off your contracts like Dan was saying, but you 1923 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.520 also need them to enhance your badge system. So just 1924 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:51.479 like Hollow Night, you'll come across these badges that will 1925 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:53.800 enhance your gameplay. So maybe you'll get a badge that 1926 01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:55.640 gives you an extra heart, or they'll give you a 1927 01:26:55.720 --> 01:26:59.720 badge that will drop more money. But you have so 1928 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:04.520 many badge slots, and uh, you can use money to 1929 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:08.840 enhance your badges, so that costs less slots. So I 1930 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:11.520 have a badge that gives me an extra heart, and 1931 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.239 I have a badge that drops more hearts, and I 1932 01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:15.000 find that I take a lot of damage in this game. 1933 01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:18.159 So I enhanced both of those badges to cost less 1934 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.399 slots so that they can both fit even though I 1935 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:24.880 only have three slots. So all that stuff has been 1936 01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:29.079 like intricate and fun to play with. It sounds complicated, 1937 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.159 but man, when I was, when I was like messing 1938 01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:34.119 with it, I was like, this is all fairly intuitive. 1939 01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:37.079 I can understand the systems, and ultimately, even if like 1940 01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:39.520 I didn't want to deal with all this shit, you 1941 01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:42.239 can just kill everything if you've just figure it out, 1942 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:45.159 like you can just burn through this game. You can 1943 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:46.840 just raw dog it if you really want to. But 1944 01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:49.880 I encourage you to do the systems because I think 1945 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:51.720 you will make your gameplay a hell of a lot easier. 1946 01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:54.079 Yeah. I think I think I'm gona keep playing it 1947 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:55.520 to have on the go. 1948 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.920 Yeah, I'm installing it on my Steam deck. I'm taking 1949 01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:00.680 it on my trip. One percent probably gonna be the 1950 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:04.079 game that I play during my travels the most. I mean, 1951 01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:05.960 I'm I'm super into it. 1952 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:07.399 Yeah, it's great. 1953 01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:11.039 Speaking of, I picked up a game I've been meaning 1954 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:12.720 to play for a while. Dan, I texted you about it, 1955 01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:17.960 but I didn't say anything else. Deep Rock Survivor. For 1956 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:20.920 those who don't know, it's just a I don't We 1957 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:23.760 must have talked about Deeprockalactic on fire Escape at some point. 1958 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:25.680 I love that game. It's one of my favorite, like 1959 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:28.399 live service games, if you can call it that, I 1960 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:31.520 think they that is a game more developers should be 1961 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:37.279 trying to mimic. But speaking of mimicking, Coffee Stain whatever 1962 01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:41.359 they call the publishing company they started, now they released 1963 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.880 Deep Rock Survivor. It's a you know, Vampire Survivors clone. 1964 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:49.840 I don't mean that derogatorily. It's well, Vampire Survivors wasn't 1965 01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:53.239 the first game of that sort either. The auto shooter, 1966 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:56.720 but it's an auto shooter, and if you play Deep Rockalactic, 1967 01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:59.880 they are using the same classes of characters, the same 1968 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.359 weapons you can get in Deeprochylactic, and it's an auto shooter, 1969 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:07.039 and that you start off with the assault rifle, and 1970 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:11.720 then you're every you're collecting those experienced orbs to upgrade 1971 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:14.760 either the assault rifle or to upgrade your movement speed, 1972 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:18.079 or to upgrade. The biggest mechanical difference right off the 1973 01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:20.760 bat is the mining. When you're going around these areas, 1974 01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:25.399 you have these sections of dirt or rock or or 1975 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:30.159 that you can actually pick ax your way through automatically. 1976 01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:33.920 It's one of those things where it's like, oh, different 1977 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:38.439 classes benefit more from different upgrades in that I didn't 1978 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.760 realize how important the mining speed could be because usually 1979 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:44.079 it takes like two swings to get through one block. 1980 01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:46.359 You can upgrade it to where you're just like chewing 1981 01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.319 through them and you're getting side objectives. This is also 1982 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.079 another place where it kind of parts ways from Vampire Survivors. 1983 01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:56.640 But Vampire Survivors had little like secrets around every map 1984 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.279 that you could unlock and whatnot. This one actually says, 1985 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:02.760 go collect like sixteen of these bulow mushroom caps, so 1986 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:06.880 that becomes this thing that you doing so will get 1987 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:12.359 you extra goal to spend after you extract. Because these 1988 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.520 these missions are all like four or five part missions. 1989 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.600 You'll complete the objective, lure out the boss, kill it, 1990 01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:25.640 and then extract out to the next level. Between them, 1991 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.840 you can then spend money on upgrades or spend different 1992 01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.760 resources you've gathered in the mining or in like the 1993 01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:36.840 actual rock formations, you could spend that on different upgrades. 1994 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:41.520 It works extremely well. I would say it's pretty tough. 1995 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:46.640 I still have not i've completed the first mission. It's 1996 01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:49.640 sort of set up to be a linear thing at first, 1997 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:51.800 where As opposed to Vampire Survivors, where it's like, oh, 1998 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:55.119 I'm gonna play the first map with like five different 1999 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:58.239 characters of it i've unlocked. This is very much like oh, 2000 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:00.399 I've been playing the first class for a while before 2001 01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:02.960 I even unlocked the gunner. But once you unlock the gunner, 2002 01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.520 it's like, all right, I'm gonna put all my points 2003 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.319 into tankiness and fire rate because the reload is going 2004 01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.680 to take a long time no matter what or sorry 2005 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:12.399 clip size, so I might as well expand the magazine size, 2006 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:14.800 so I don't know if I have more bullets between reloads. 2007 01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:19.159 I don't think it's better than Vampire Survivors, but I 2008 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:23.520 think it's a really solid, like a really good steam 2009 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:26.920 deck auto shooter that you don't have to have played 2010 01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:31.319 Deep Rochalactic to enjoy. Having played a lot of Deep Rochalactic, 2011 01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:33.720 I enjoy seeing how all these weapons and weapon classes 2012 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:38.960 transition into a different genre. But yeah, I like that 2013 01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:40.880 game quite a bit. I'm probably going to be playing 2014 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.920 that mainly on the flight tomorrow, so check it out 2015 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:45.279 for sure. 2016 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:48.520 Yeah, I've tried to add a couple of Vampire Survivors 2017 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:52.039 likes since I got obsessed with that, and yeah, I'm 2018 01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:53.600 always going to look out for a good one of those. 2019 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:55.399 I think I did download it after you mentioned it 2020 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:57.239 to me a while ago, but I just haven't tried 2021 01:31:57.239 --> 01:31:57.520 it yet. 2022 01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:58.439 But it sounds good. 2023 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:02.239 Yeah, it's great. It's there's also like cool little mechanics, 2024 01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:05.680 like similar to hell divers. If you call in Ammo 2025 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.880 drops at the right time, it'll crush a bunch of 2026 01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:11.079 bugs at the same time. So it does enough to 2027 01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.720 break away from Vampire Survivors. But like, I'm all for 2028 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:18.479 that genre getting as bigger, more people taking a swing 2029 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:20.560 at it. Like I'd love to see different properties, try 2030 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:24.359 to do the auto shooter, bullet heaven genre, whatever you 2031 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:26.439 want to call it. But yeah, it's great if people. 2032 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:29.960 I don't think it's too expensive on Steam. I think 2033 01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:33.479 it's well worth whatever I paid for it. I'd have 2034 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:39.560 to double check that, but yeah, it's great. Nice Mary, 2035 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:43.640 what's or Dan? You're playing the Lego party as well. 2036 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:47.359 Played a game of that at Summer Games Fest. It's 2037 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:48.119 very good. 2038 01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:50.760 I've you know, obviously being a big old Mario Party guy, 2039 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:53.720 I've played other, you know, party game type things, and 2040 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:55.600 I feel like most of them try to do like 2041 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:57.439 a weird twist on it. Like I remember Sonic Shuffle 2042 01:32:57.479 --> 01:32:59.319 back in the day. It was our like card based 2043 01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:02.359 and sucked, and it's there's like an anime when we 2044 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:06.520 did recently that It's obviously the Mario ip goes far 2045 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:08.960 with me, but I also do really like just the 2046 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:11.720 idea of this bullshit party game. So I've always been 2047 01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:14.159 open to other party games, and Lego Party is the 2048 01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:17.880 one that I think on first glance has kind of 2049 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.720 hit the Mario Party notes the best and actually improves 2050 01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:24.159 on a lot of it. It's just a lot snappier. 2051 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:25.880 Like you know, I don't know if you two have 2052 01:33:25.920 --> 01:33:27.600 played a lot of Mario Party, but it's just like 2053 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:29.960 there's just so much you're just like, okay, we're slowly 2054 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:32.520 going across the board. Now, this fucking turtle is explaining 2055 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:34.640 the shop to me for the twentieth time. Things like that, 2056 01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:38.800 This one it moves, it moves, but everything it's doing 2057 01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:41.960 is straight out of Mario Party. There are chance time squares, 2058 01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:44.319 and instead of coins and stars, you are getting studs 2059 01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:48.399 and golden bricks. You know, it is unapologetically Mario Party. 2060 01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:52.760 It's still the same like dichotomy between the board game 2061 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:54.000 layer and minigames. 2062 01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:57.359 Yeah, totally. So you do the four turns and then 2063 01:33:57.359 --> 01:33:58.960 you do a minigame. But like all the mini games 2064 01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:00.960 I did were a lot of fun and they do 2065 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:02.680 some unique things too, where it's like, okay, you're driving 2066 01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:04.920 these little like remote control cars and each face button 2067 01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:08.119 makes a wheel accelerate, so you have to like navigate 2068 01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:09.840 through this, you know course with a bunch of holes 2069 01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:13.159 and things like that by controlling individual wheels almost in 2070 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:14.159 like a Quop like way. 2071 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:14.399 You know. 2072 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:17.560 So yeah, really solid, many games great look to it. 2073 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.359 It's just silly stuff. Like the level we did had 2074 01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:22.479 a volcano and if you get to the top of it, 2075 01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:24.640 there's like a big turkey on a spit roast and 2076 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.800 it'll like heat up and explode up and land on 2077 01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:29.560 one of your enemies and steal either studs or a brick. 2078 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:31.960 It works the lego stuff in in a smart way 2079 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.760 to where it's like you get on certain squares and 2080 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:36.439 it'll like build another part of the level. So you know, 2081 01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:38.840 it was like a bay is where I was the 2082 01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:40.680 game was happening, and then you land on a thing 2083 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:42.439 and it builds a pirate ship in the bay and 2084 01:34:42.520 --> 01:34:44.520 you can suddenly go across it and kind of shortcut 2085 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:46.800 to a different area. So a lot of charm, a 2086 01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:49.000 lot of really good mini games, and just there was 2087 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:51.600 I gotta admit it was pretty nice, just having it 2088 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:55.199 move at a faster clip than Mario Party. So I 2089 01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:57.279 will definitely get this, play a lot of it. It 2090 01:34:57.359 --> 01:34:59.199 turns out it's not just the Mario IP that makes 2091 01:34:59.279 --> 01:34:59.920 me like that stuff. 2092 01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:01.439 What were you playing it on? 2093 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:06.640 It was an SGF demo, so I believe we had 2094 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:08.399 pissed I think we had pissed five controllers. 2095 01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.640 But uh yeah, I think it's probably gonna be on everything. Yeah, 2096 01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:13.159 very good looking forward to stuff like that. 2097 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.479 Yeah, I like I played, Uh, correct me if I'm wrong. 2098 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:18.920 There were three Switch Mario parties. 2099 01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:22.239 Uh yes, Super Mario Parties, Superstars, and Jamborey. 2100 01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:27.359 I played. I played the one that was like retro 2101 01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:30.560 maps boards Superstars, that's the best way pay that. I 2102 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.600 liked it. And I played the first one on Switch 2103 01:35:35.119 --> 01:35:37.039 and I thought it was fine. I don't know, I 2104 01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:39.199 don't have the same lens to like critique it in 2105 01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:42.399 the context of the franchise, but was the last one 2106 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:44.199 on Switch the one people didn't like or was the 2107 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:44.680 first one? 2108 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:45.039 No? 2109 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:46.720 I actually I was on the low end of the 2110 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.000 review scores on that one, but I still like it. 2111 01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:52.279 I just, you know, I think I'm maybe like critic 2112 01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:55.279 like Jamboree. Yeah, I think I just I kind of 2113 01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.039 dissected a lot. Being a big Mario Party head, and 2114 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:00.600 there were elements I didn't love about it, but still 2115 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:02.600 it's a fun game. I'm just going to go to 2116 01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.760 Superstars if I'm playing on the Switch, it's okay. 2117 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:08.680 Yeah, I'd be down to try Lego Party. That sounds fun. 2118 01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:12.960 Could be a bonus episode when it comes out. Yeah, 2119 01:36:13.079 --> 01:36:16.840 yah yah, Maren, what's some midnight walk? 2120 01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:23.239 Okay? So this one thing I feel like, I feel 2121 01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:25.319 like more people should be talking about this. I can't 2122 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.199 believe no one is playing this. This is a really 2123 01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:34.279 cool game. This is a clay mation, handmade stop motion 2124 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:39.159 horror game. I'm gonna say horror, but I don't know 2125 01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:42.760 if it's like that. I'm going to classify it as horror, 2126 01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:45.279 but I think it's more of an adventure with scary elements. 2127 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:47.119 If you look at the trailer, it will give you 2128 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:50.880 an extraordinarily good example of like some of the creepy 2129 01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:55.199 scary stuff. It reminds me a bit of Nightmare before 2130 01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:58.840 Christmas and a bit of Pans Labyrinth. The way that 2131 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:03.560 this world is con you are, I want to say, 2132 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:05.720 you're called like a burnt or something, or a chart 2133 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:08.439 or something. Your hands are like so burnt and crispy, 2134 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:11.840 and it looks like your ash or something, and the 2135 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.039 world has there's no fire in the world left. But 2136 01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:20.760 luckily you come across a cute little guy. He's such 2137 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.479 a cute little character. I forget his name. I want 2138 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:27.079 to say, it's like potty or like you know, pothead 2139 01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:31.359 or something. And he has fire in his head and 2140 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.840 your job is to escort him to the end of 2141 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:39.000 this mountain. But there's so many terrifying things in this 2142 01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:41.279 world that want to snuff out the flame and kill 2143 01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:45.279 you along the way. I actually think this is an 2144 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:50.880 incredibly well constructed and charming experience. It's very thoughtful. You 2145 01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:56.560 come across this town of nobody's but they are genuinely 2146 01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:59.199 their heads. They have no bodies, which I think is 2147 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:02.039 a really fun play on words. And there's a monster 2148 01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:06.159 that's killing them. It's like eating them, and so they're like, 2149 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:09.119 you have to take out this monster. It's it's dangerous, 2150 01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:13.000 it's killing us. And so you're you're killing these that 2151 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:14.880 you're trying to like take down this monster. And then 2152 01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.079 you find out like there's a lot of depth to 2153 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.439 these characters. There's a reason the monster is doing what 2154 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:21.439 it's doing, and it's actually like the Nobody's are kind 2155 01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:23.760 of dickheads, and so like it's really fun that you, 2156 01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:25.960 as the player get to kind of see the depth 2157 01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:29.079 and the thoughtfulness of the of the villains and the 2158 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:31.840 people that you come across on your way on your journey. 2159 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.359 Did Mike disapprove of the Nobody's pun because I saw 2160 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:36.159 him burious head. 2161 01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:36.520 In his hands. 2162 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:40.199 I shouldn't have reacted that way. No, I liked it. 2163 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.000 It reminded me, for you, It reminded me of a 2164 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.520 very very deep cut video that my friends and I 2165 01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:50.119 used to watch called, Uh, there's a this just man 2166 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:53.039 on the street that someone like struck a jackpot with. 2167 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:55.319 She's trying to ask him what he thought about like 2168 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:58.079 some Sydney ordnance, and he started going off. It's Canadian 2169 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.199 Steve Spiro's easy going. 2170 01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:02.479 Oh oh the vampires. 2171 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:06.119 Yeah, yeah, Waterloo. And at one point he says, because 2172 01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:10.920 you can't kill a nobody with nobody. That's what I'm 2173 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:13.239 just thinking about him. How he starts going off. 2174 01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:16.039 And Glenn, howardon did that speech in the BlackBerry movie? 2175 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:22.279 I don't really Yeah, yeah, Mary that this game is 2176 01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:23.840 one of them that, like, you know, Bonk is always 2177 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.680 playing games, and you know, there are just certain ones 2178 01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:29.039 where I walked through the room and you know, didn't 2179 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.159 really grab me or anything, and then this one I 2180 01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:33.079 saw her playing it and I was like, wow, that 2181 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.680 is a striking art style, Like that is righting. 2182 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:39.000 Eventually, the gameplay is also quite interesting. So a lot 2183 01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:42.159 of the times you're hiding from a creature, they're always 2184 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:47.960 giving you a closet or a tunnel or something to hide. 2185 01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:53.520 They have like interesting not too difficult, but there's always 2186 01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:56.399 like some kind of thoughtfulness to a puzzle to help 2187 01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:58.000 you get through a space. So like, let's say there's 2188 01:39:58.039 --> 01:40:01.399 a monster and there's no places to hide, but there's 2189 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:05.119 a candle nearby. You can tell your little pot boy 2190 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:08.399 to light the flame of this candle. The monster will 2191 01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:11.199 go to blow it out because they hate fire. And 2192 01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:14.840 then it'll help you run across behind their backs when 2193 01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:17.439 they're not looking, and so there's a lot of sneakiness, 2194 01:40:17.960 --> 01:40:20.960 a lot of maneuvering to get by. When you do 2195 01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:23.439 get caught, I have like literally yelped and been like 2196 01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:28.439 it's kind of breaky when these things try and eat you, 2197 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:32.119 and they're just kind of gross. They these gangly teeth 2198 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:35.239 and big eyes. It's really stressful and so like, this 2199 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:38.119 game is not for the fainthearted. But I am just 2200 01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:42.279 I think I am disappointed that I haven't heard more 2201 01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:45.159 people covering this game. I think it is so unique 2202 01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:48.359 and as we talk about how important it is to 2203 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:54.800 support art as games, this is art. This is obviously 2204 01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:58.079 hand constructed. This took someone a lot of time. This 2205 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:03.039 is not a short game development cycle. This was a 2206 01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:06.760 very long experience, probably to hand make all of these 2207 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:11.079 clay animations. It looks awesome. It is so stunning. It's 2208 01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:14.239 got cool gameplay if you can get past how scary 2209 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:16.439 it is. It is scary, but I love that shit. 2210 01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.520 You got to pick this up like, this is a 2211 01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:21.279 really unique experience. I loved it. 2212 01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:24.640 Nice. What are you planning on? 2213 01:41:25.319 --> 01:41:28.760 I'm playing it on Steam and I am going to 2214 01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:30.760 download it on steam Deck and hope that it also 2215 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.079 works on my steam Deck. I assume it will, and 2216 01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:34.760 I stream deck. 2217 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:37.359 It feels like a game i'd like to like, I 2218 01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:39.279 would want to turn off the lights and turn up 2219 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:40.960 the surround sound and you know kind of sink in. 2220 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:42.439 Is it on game Pass? 2221 01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:43.640 No, I'm just kidding. 2222 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:45.079 Oh, it's funny. 2223 01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:47.479 It is a very good looking game. 2224 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:50.079 Yeah, this is a game to like immerse yourself in. 2225 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:51.800 This is a game like turn off the lights, like 2226 01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:52.880 Dan said, and like, just. 2227 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:55.319 So, how do you like? That's fucking crazy though, that 2228 01:41:55.479 --> 01:41:59.960 Like it's supposedly what do they mean? It's it's handcraft 2229 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.800 with real clay and animated as stop motion style, But like, 2230 01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:07.680 I don't fully understand, Like that's crazy. I don't fully 2231 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:11.319 understand how you could hand make all of this clay 2232 01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:13.479 to account for every animation that could happen in a 2233 01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:14.079 video game. 2234 01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:17.920 Yeah, it's a really good question. My assumption is that 2235 01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:22.319 a lot of the animations were done in clay, but 2236 01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:24.720 they probably like some of the backgrounds and stuff like 2237 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:27.960 that were probably done in a three D renderer. But 2238 01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:30.640 I think your main characters are all done in clay, 2239 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:32.760 and the hands you'll definitely see it, Like if you 2240 01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:34.640 ever see a lot of this game has to do 2241 01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:37.560 with fires. You're constantly like getting matches and lighting them. 2242 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.680 But when you see your hand animations, you can like 2243 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:44.359 kind of tell this was like a constructed hand and like, 2244 01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:46.520 I don't know, it's interesting, Like you can see the 2245 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:48.000 divots in it, you know what I'm talking about, Like 2246 01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:49.960 when you see clay mation and you're like, yeah, it's 2247 01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:52.199 not perfect, but I love it. It's charming, Like this 2248 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:52.800 game has that. 2249 01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:59.600 It's cool. Dan, you've been playing Hell as Us as well. 2250 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:00.880 I played it. 2251 01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:03.720 It's coming out in September and I was in Montreal. 2252 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:06.039 I played about three hours a bit and so obviously 2253 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:09.000 you know, limited time, but enough to see that it's 2254 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:12.920 really going for something and that something is not holding 2255 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:15.439 your hand. It is all about it just like you. 2256 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:19.119 There are very very limited HUT elements. There are no 2257 01:43:19.479 --> 01:43:22.760 quest markers there. It's the opposite of like that Ubisoft 2258 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.239 Matt Barf thing where there's just a million checklist things. 2259 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:29.199 You go into this nation to try to figure out 2260 01:43:29.239 --> 01:43:32.119 what happened to your family and the town you grew 2261 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:34.439 up in. You've been like exiled or you left early. 2262 01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:36.439 It's kind of this like Hermit Nation, like kind a 2263 01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:39.119 North Korea type thing, but it's fictionalized. And you just 2264 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:42.159 have like a data pad with an investigation tab on it, 2265 01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:44.600 and it just starts with like find out what happened 2266 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:46.119 to your family, find out what happened to the town, 2267 01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.439 and you just go in and you just go into 2268 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.199 houses and towns and you talk to characters and ask 2269 01:43:52.279 --> 01:43:54.840 them questions and as they fill things in, it's almost 2270 01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:57.000 that kind of corkboard like you know, like okay, so 2271 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:58.800 this happened here, and okay, so someone said they saw 2272 01:43:58.800 --> 01:44:03.920 your dad go to this town and this thing much more, 2273 01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:07.800 much more. I don't know if it opens the word 2274 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:08.800 that I'm looking for here, but. 2275 01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:11.359 Yeah, it is. 2276 01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.239 It feels like you could people could have vastly different 2277 01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:16.920 experiences playing this game, you know, whereas at Alan Wake 2278 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:18.239 was a little bit like okay, now here's the part 2279 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:19.760 where you go to the amusement park, this is like, 2280 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:21.680 I don't know, go where you're going to go and 2281 01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:25.399 see what order you learn things in and where it 2282 01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:27.680 takes you. But like any maps you get are going 2283 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:29.800 to be like hand drawn things that a character hands 2284 01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:32.000 you of like oh, here's this depot here, here's this 2285 01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:33.960 tunnel on the highway, and it's just like a scribbled 2286 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:35.199 you know, map that someone drew. 2287 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:39.359 It's really cool. It is interesting in that, like it 2288 01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:40.560 does give you the option. 2289 01:44:40.399 --> 01:44:42.960 With like there's combat with these like weird other worldly 2290 01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:46.600 like creatures that you can change perry timing and enemy 2291 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.119 aggressiveness and like that type of stuff, but you cannot 2292 01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:52.680 choose to make the like, hey, give me an objective arrow, 2293 01:44:52.760 --> 01:44:55.039 give me a mini map. It's you know, like a 2294 01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:56.840 red Dead Redemption two. You could do the thing where 2295 01:44:56.960 --> 01:44:58.720 you could turn off all the many maps and stuff 2296 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:01.840 and just rely on like signs in the world and 2297 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:04.319 you know, people telling you things, and this is like 2298 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:06.039 that if it was your only way to do it, 2299 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:08.840 and so like there are some diegetic hints where it's 2300 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:11.560 just like there's wind chimes that you can follow, there's 2301 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:15.000 you know, markings on trees things like that, but it's 2302 01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:17.960 it's pretty hardcore about just like you finding your own 2303 01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.239 way through it through talking to people and learning about 2304 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.079 the world. And like when in like I saw the 2305 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:24.560 trailer a while ago and I was like, Okay, I 2306 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:25.920 don't know if this is like a soul's like thing. 2307 01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:29.039 It almost looks kind of like destrianting me. But no, 2308 01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:31.680 it's very much its own thing. And I'm now really 2309 01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:33.319 intrigued by whatever this game is doing. 2310 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.680 Do you have a lightsaber esque esque thingber? 2311 01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:38.439 What weapon I have? You have like a drone that 2312 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:40.840 you can unlock a bunch of upgrades for and everything? 2313 01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:44.600 I can't remember, like what weapons there is? Definitely Melee. 2314 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:46.600 Melee is like your main like. 2315 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:48.479 A bunch of blowing swords and stuff. 2316 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:50.119 It's kind of a hell of a look to it, 2317 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:51.920 and like the enemies look really wild, just these like 2318 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:54.119 husks with like these holes in them in their faces 2319 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.760 and very spooky and weird, and I'm into it. Great 2320 01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.119 sound design. It reminds me a lot of Annihilation, And 2321 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:02.640 I asked the developers and they're like, yeah, that was 2322 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:04.199 like a that was a primary influence. 2323 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:07.359 I what other game were we talking about about? Also 2324 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:11.840 has Annihilation vibes. I'm like, I feel like that format 2325 01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:15.159 of movie. Even Stalker has it too. I mean Annihilation 2326 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:18.159 was kind of inspired by Stalker, the movie, which the 2327 01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.880 games were playing from the same source material. I want 2328 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:24.560 more games to do exactly what it sounds like this 2329 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:28.119 is doing, where you're going into this weird altered landscape 2330 01:46:28.199 --> 01:46:30.399 just to figure out what happened, and then you're finding 2331 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:32.600 weird fauna on flora and shit like that. 2332 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:35.119 Yeah, I mean, it's like there's a huge, like I 2333 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:37.119 guess this game's version of like a high royal field 2334 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:38.359 in this area where it's a kind of a hub 2335 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:40.399 that connected a bunch of towns and stuff. And in 2336 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:42.159 the middle of it, from far away, you see this 2337 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:46.079 weird just pulsating orb of just this kind of evil 2338 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:48.600 looking orb of this like like in the middle of 2339 01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:50.359 a field, and there's just a bunch of these like 2340 01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:52.680 husks like walking around it, and so you just see 2341 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:54.319 it in the distance, You're like, what the fuck is that? 2342 01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:58.439 And just in talking to people in the cities and stuff, 2343 01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:00.479 they'll start mentioning it, and it kind of fills out 2344 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:02.800 your data on what this thing is. And it's very 2345 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:04.359 very cool how you learned things in that game. 2346 01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:06.439 I think. I think, Mike, it's it seems like a 2347 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:07.159 mic game for sure. 2348 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:10.000 Yeah, this looks rad I had seen this announced. I 2349 01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:11.880 don't know if it was a Game Awards or an SGF. 2350 01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:15.079 I'm like, all right, this looks looks kind of cool. 2351 01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.119 But the more I you talk about this, the more 2352 01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:19.119 i'm I would be into this coming out September. 2353 01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:23.439 Yes, yes, I think it's people from my dis X 2354 01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:24.000 working on it. 2355 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:28.199 Yeah, yeah, from IDOS back in the day. 2356 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:31.079 Oh sure, Yeah, it's I think you're gonna like it. 2357 01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:35.560 Yeah, this looks cool. Last game I'll talk about quick. 2358 01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:39.560 I also traveling. I went back to Rogue Legacy two 2359 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.119 on Steam deck anybody who didn't play that, because I 2360 01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:43.960 believe it came out in early access for a bit 2361 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:46.239 and then went full That game is still really good. 2362 01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:49.640 The first one was twenty fourteen. I want to say 2363 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:53.680 one of the earlier roguelikes to kind of blow up. 2364 01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.439 Get why people didn't get is into Rogue Legacy two 2365 01:47:56.520 --> 01:47:59.000 is Rogue Legacy one. Because Rogue Legacy one like had 2366 01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:01.560 a whole bunch of fair and I thought Rogue Legacy 2367 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:03.039 too was like we're gonna do the same thing but 2368 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:05.199 on crack and give you like way more ways to 2369 01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:08.520 play the game and weird, weird stupid ways, like everything's 2370 01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:10.239 upside down and gravity sucks. 2371 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:10.439 Now. 2372 01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.760 I mean from my experience, like I loved Rogue Legacy 2373 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.800 one so much. I beat it on like three different 2374 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:16.920 consoles and I love it. 2375 01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:19.479 I beat it a couple of times. I really liked 2376 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:20.239 Rogue Legacy. 2377 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:22.079 Yeah, it was one of the first Rogue lights I 2378 01:48:22.239 --> 01:48:25.000 really really got into. So I was super excited for this, 2379 01:48:25.079 --> 01:48:27.680 and like, I think my experience with it is why 2380 01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:30.119 I don't really do a lot of early Access. It's 2381 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.760 why I haven't touched Hades too, despite loving Haites. One 2382 01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:36.760 is because I played it right away when it went 2383 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:38.800 out in early access and like part of the pandemic. 2384 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:40.279 I didn't want to say. It was like June July 2385 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:43.960 twenty twenty or something like that, and I was like, Okay, cool, cool, 2386 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:46.119 this is fun. But it was like had like one 2387 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:47.880 area or whatever, and then you get to a screen 2388 01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.359 that's like we're working on it. Here's our roadmap, and 2389 01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:51.720 it just kind of takes the wind out of the 2390 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:53.600 sales because it's like you get excited to play it. 2391 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:54.880 But then it's like, well, you don't really get the 2392 01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:57.159 whole thing. This is just a me thing. 2393 01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:58.840 Maybe I'm sure there are others that feel this way, 2394 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:01.840 but like when it came out, I just didn't really 2395 01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:03.880 I think I played a couple of runs and then 2396 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:07.000 I didn't continue because I would rather just wait until 2397 01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:08.960 something is at a one point zero and then I 2398 01:49:09.079 --> 01:49:11.920 feel like I have a beginning to end experience with 2399 01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:14.560 the game, rather than staggering it like that. 2400 01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:16.600 You know, Yeah, No, I'm the exact same way. I 2401 01:49:16.640 --> 01:49:18.760 have not touched Hades too. I think that could potentially 2402 01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:24.760 ruin it for me. I also did the same thing 2403 01:49:24.800 --> 01:49:26.479 with Darkest Dungeon two. I don't think I should have 2404 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:28.399 done that. I played that early access, but I think 2405 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:30.960 the way that we play even fully released games is 2406 01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:33.600 so often bite size just to see what it's doing 2407 01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:36.520 that when I play games in early access, I'm like, 2408 01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:38.479 all right, I see what they're going for, and then 2409 01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:41.840 I don't go back. Even though I admit that's not fair, 2410 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:44.359 And like you see a lot of success stories in 2411 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:47.520 early access, and like I'm a huge proponent for early access. 2412 01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:49.439 I think it's a great idea. I think, when done right, 2413 01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:52.000 like you're getting good feedback from the people who care 2414 01:49:52.079 --> 01:49:53.720 the most about your game, you should be doing that 2415 01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:58.800 if you can. I totally agree. I did not touch 2416 01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:00.840 Rogue Legacy too until I came Now. I will say 2417 01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:04.920 I think it does a lot of really cool stuff. 2418 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:07.359 It just goes crazy with the character classes. You get 2419 01:50:07.359 --> 01:50:09.319 a gun slinger who has a literal gun that shoots. 2420 01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:12.720 You have a shinobi who like has to stop to attack, 2421 01:50:12.800 --> 01:50:14.640 but you can angle the sword and if you get 2422 01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:18.119 at the very tip of the katana, then you do 2423 01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:20.159 critical damage. There's a lot of cool stuff going on. 2424 01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:24.399 They also not that long ago released their final update, 2425 01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:29.039 so it's it's not only complete, it's they're done working 2426 01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:29.319 on it. 2427 01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:32.760 Okay, So I do want to get into this great. 2428 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:37.960 Great Steam deck game. I'm there's six bosses to the 2429 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:43.039 base game. Oh it's been a at lunch, like I 2430 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:45.319 don't know, two thousand nineteen. 2431 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:47.720 Oh so early access just like put a little bad 2432 01:50:48.039 --> 01:50:48.960 taste in our mouths. 2433 01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:52.319 Or I played a lot of it before. I just 2434 01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:56.039 went back recently on Steamck. I went back recently. I've 2435 01:50:56.119 --> 01:50:58.159 never played it on steam Neck, which I have been playing, 2436 01:50:58.239 --> 01:51:01.840 and it's a phenomenal Steam deck game, and now anybody 2437 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:04.239 who may have forgotten about it, which I get. It's 2438 01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:06.279 a really good game. The first one is still more 2439 01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:09.079 focused and tight. This one. It feels like they clearly 2440 01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:10.960 were just trying a lot of different ideas that I 2441 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:12.960 don't always think mesh well. But there are really cool 2442 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:17.199 character traits, really cool magical spell kind of things. The 2443 01:51:17.319 --> 01:51:21.039 map design. I think this game's cool because the first 2444 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:23.319 game was very much like the whole game felt like 2445 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:26.399 a Castlevania. Sure, the aesthetic could change. It would be like, oh, 2446 01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:31.479 I'm in dungeons, now I'm in the woods. This When 2447 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:34.039 you go between major areas, it actually kind of changes 2448 01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:36.199 how you're moving around it. The first section is very 2449 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:44.199 much Castlevania, straight platforms, spike floors, flame barriers, et cetera. 2450 01:51:44.640 --> 01:51:46.600 Then you go to the next one, it's very much like, Oh, 2451 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:50.119 you're leaping across these like houses on stilts and like 2452 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:52.960 jumping up and falling down the sides to find secrets. 2453 01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:55.880 Then you get to another area where it's like, oh, 2454 01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:57.960 it's a snowy area. I get that. But then all 2455 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:01.439 of a sudden, it's more like hills, escapes, zombies come 2456 01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:03.000 up out of the ground. So it's actually kind of 2457 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:08.800 changing the overall flow of the game. Yeah, I don't 2458 01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:11.840 know it. They also have some cool overall stuff where 2459 01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:13.640 it's like the first game had the architect where you 2460 01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:16.319 could lock the castle layout if you liked it, just 2461 01:52:16.399 --> 01:52:19.159 pay extra to say, oh, I know where this boss is, 2462 01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:20.720 I want to go right there. I don't want to 2463 01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:23.600 deal with RNG, so lock the castle for me. I 2464 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:25.119 know he's up here in this part of the map. 2465 01:52:25.520 --> 01:52:26.880 They do a lot of cool stuff like that. They 2466 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.680 have quality of life things where you can pay to 2467 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.520 unlock a warp portal permanently. It won't always be in 2468 01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:37.119 the same place unless you also combine that with the architects, 2469 01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:38.840 but you will be able to warp to the snowy 2470 01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:41.840 area right away because if you play the first game, 2471 01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:45.399 you know, at a certain point the gold that the 2472 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:47.920 enemies are dropping in the first area just does not 2473 01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:51.359 become worth it to farm. So they do a lot 2474 01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:53.720 of cool stuff to keep the game moving along. Breezily. 2475 01:52:54.520 --> 01:52:58.079 I don't know. It's really good And now I don't know. 2476 01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:01.239 It wasn't yesterday, but it wasn't that long ago. They 2477 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.720 released the final update. All the character classes are in 2478 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:08.039 it all like they've moved on their work. Cellar Door 2479 01:53:08.119 --> 01:53:11.399 Games is working on Rogue Legacy three, Rogue Legacy three 2480 01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:13.119 or whatever the hell they're doing next. So this game 2481 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:17.319 is like set in Stone. It still kind of can 2482 01:53:17.439 --> 01:53:20.600 look like a flash game sometimes that art style not 2483 01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.159 a flash game, but like, uh, what is it? 2484 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:27.960 I'm immune to that criticism. Yeah, No, it's that's just 2485 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:29.880 something terrible. People say. 2486 01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:33.439 There's a game like two years ago that I kind 2487 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:36.039 of liked. There's like a little indie Pokemon ripoff, but 2488 01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:39.079 it just looks like they're they're literally cut out of paper. 2489 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:40.600 And I think it worked for the first game because 2490 01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:42.520 it was kind of novel, but now it's like it's 2491 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:44.239 not the best looking game at all times. 2492 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.439 I don't like any of the art styles where things 2493 01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:47.680 look like they're cut out of paper. 2494 01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:50.439 I don't know, take a look at it. It's it's it's. 2495 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:53.479 Also make your ship look a little bit more three D. 2496 01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:56.920 I just don't like the thick outline to like, I 2497 01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:58.800 don't know, hide stuff. 2498 01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:00.279 I feel like paper Mario. 2499 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:04.840 I've never liked it. Yeah, art style, I think the 2500 01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:06.439 game is cool. I don't like the art style. 2501 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:11.119 Play Rogue is a really good game. War Chief war 2502 01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:12.640 Group is the game I was thinking of it was. 2503 01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:14.840 That's not the Pokemon thing. Is the term How good. 2504 01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:17.640 Paper Mario would be if it didn't look like that. 2505 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:20.000 It's called didn't play Mario and Luigi. 2506 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:22.279 How could you slip behind two new surfaces if it 2507 01:54:22.359 --> 01:54:22.880 wasn't paper. 2508 01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:26.079 Yes, it's a gimmick. He slides underneath the blankets because 2509 01:54:26.079 --> 01:54:29.840 he's a piece of paper. My goodness, fat shaming Mario, 2510 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:31.199 paper Mario. 2511 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:34.399 But uh yeah, Rogue Legsy two. Check it out, Mary, wait, Mary, 2512 01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:36.359 save this joke. I want to champion this game one 2513 01:54:36.399 --> 01:54:40.520 more time. Go play Rogue Legsy two. Continue hit. It's 2514 01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:42.079 not gonna be that funny. It's not gonna be worth it. 2515 01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:45.720 Where's Mario? Don't even have a waste? Mario? So thin? 2516 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:49.920 Mario light as a feather, Mario looking amazing? Mario? 2517 01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:54.760 Is this a reference to? It is like a miscongeniality thing? Mario? 2518 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:55.479 Thigh gap? 2519 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:03.359 What look for a guy at a castle? I did? 2520 01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:08.159 Everybody wants it. Imagine Mario in the thy gap. 2521 01:55:12.119 --> 01:55:14.399 Looking for a guy in high roll six. 2522 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:21.520 Die gap. Nobody looks for a man with a thigh 2523 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:23.439 gap anymore. But I want to make it happen. 2524 01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:26.079 I don't think we can have it because we've got 2525 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:26.680 balls there. 2526 01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:29.880 You can tape them up. I'm looking for our guy 2527 01:55:29.920 --> 01:55:30.880 in high roll five. 2528 01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:33.720 The balls dangle right where the thigh gap would be, right, 2529 01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:34.520 so just. 2530 01:55:35.159 --> 01:55:35.760 You can you can? 2531 01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:38.159 Yeah, I guess so, I guess if you like folded 2532 01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:39.359 him up, you can see if you have. 2533 01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:44.239 Daddy says, I got that good gap. 2534 01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:45.960 Stop that. 2535 01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:50.920 Let's talk about email, Okay, as always, you can right 2536 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:54.720 into I just almost gave my email. It's been a while. 2537 01:55:55.199 --> 01:55:58.640 Fire Escape cast at gmail dot com for questions, comments, concerns. 2538 01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:01.079 We got a bunch since last episode. Thank you for 2539 01:56:01.159 --> 01:56:05.319 filling up that inbox again. Dan and Mike Manatti and 2540 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:07.760 Jeff Grubb love to do like eight emails when Mary 2541 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:12.399 and I are away, so we've refilled. It's been great. Mary, 2542 01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:14.319 do you want to read this? This is definitely up 2543 01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:17.279 your ally. This first one from Hillary from Virginia. 2544 01:56:18.039 --> 01:56:22.560 Sure, Hey, Escapees. This question has been floating around the 2545 01:56:22.680 --> 01:56:25.680 cozy gamer sphere online and I would love to get 2546 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:27.479 your takes on it, especially Mary. 2547 01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:27.840 Thank you. 2548 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:32.079 If you made your own cozy bundle of five games, 2549 01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:34.319 what would they be? Feel free to leave this off 2550 01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.920 the pod if you read this question. Mine would be 2551 01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:42.079 Graveyard Keeper, Starduo, Valley, Animal Crossing, Powerwash, Stimulator, and Dragon 2552 01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:46.520 Age origins not classified as cozy, but Thetis is my 2553 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:50.319 favorite place. Oh that's so cute. Much love Hillary. Thanks Hillary. 2554 01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:53.319 It's a good question for any genre, like what is 2555 01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:56.680 the what is the ideal? Like the bundle pack bundle 2556 01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:59.439 of five games. But yeah, cozy games, I guess to 2557 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:03.640 kick it off off, these are good I have. These 2558 01:57:03.680 --> 01:57:06.239 are good ones. Animal Crossing I think is up there. Well, no, Mary, 2559 01:57:06.279 --> 01:57:07.720 you can go first year the cozy Game Expert. 2560 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:08.000 But like. 2561 01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:12.800 Stardoo Valley has to be there for sure. 2562 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:16.359 I think, unfortunately, I mean, it's not unfortunate. Stardu Valley 2563 01:57:16.439 --> 01:57:18.199 is kind of the mecca of cozy now, like, I 2564 01:57:18.239 --> 01:57:20.840 don't think you could have a bundle without Stardoo. I'm 2565 01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:23.319 gonna name a couple more that I think should be 2566 01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:25.319 contend ees, and then what I think we should do 2567 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:29.840 is make fire Escapes cozy bundle, right, Like, with the 2568 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.359 five of us and our powers combined, I'm sure we 2569 01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:34.840 can think of what we consider a cozy bundle. 2570 01:57:35.279 --> 01:57:42.600 My boss, Boss Boss, Yeah, joined the cat World. 2571 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:45.960 Boss is like very. 2572 01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:51.560 He loves me. Yeah, we're buds like a Wolve's eyes. 2573 01:57:52.000 --> 01:57:55.560 I know, I can't, I can't look away. It's like 2574 01:57:55.600 --> 01:58:01.279 a Medusa quality started interrupting. Okay, so other ones that 2575 01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:04.000 I think we should be heavily considering for the fire 2576 01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:10.560 Escape cozy Bundle. I think Slime Rancher is one of 2577 01:58:10.600 --> 01:58:13.119 the cozyest games. I've played in the last decade. I 2578 01:58:13.199 --> 01:58:15.720 have lost myself in this game. 2579 01:58:15.880 --> 01:58:19.640 Specifically one two did not do it for me really 2580 01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:23.640 at all. They like, I mean, Mary, correct me if 2581 01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:26.119 my memory is wrong, or rather share a different opinion 2582 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:31.520 if I'm you disagree, But they'd like overcomplicated everything in 2583 01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:33.840 a way that, like the gameplay loop, was not nearly 2584 01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:35.319 as satisfying and drawn out. 2585 01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:38.880 Yeah, I mean, I think slim Rancher, the original is 2586 01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:42.239 the one that I poured hours into. I did not 2587 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.640 pour as many hours in a slime Ancher too. Maybe 2588 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.560 it was like two fine tuned, but the original Slime 2589 01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:51.359 Rancher just the concept of like, yeah, you suck slims 2590 01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:53.680 up into your little tube and then you get them 2591 01:58:53.720 --> 01:58:55.439 to mate with each other. You gotta feed them, so 2592 01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:57.920 you gotta have chickens, and you gotta have like fruits 2593 01:58:57.960 --> 01:59:00.560 and vegetables to feed them. I mean you can really, 2594 01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:03.560 you can really spend a lot of time in that game, 2595 01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:06.199 and it all feels very comfortable and warm and inviting. 2596 01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:10.720 Moving on, one of the most cozy games I've played 2597 01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:14.720 in recent years is a Short Hike, which is almost 2598 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:18.239 like I don't think it's even like a full it 2599 01:59:18.359 --> 01:59:20.000 is a full game, but it's it almost feels like 2600 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.840 a demo. It's it's short, but it's so thoughtful and sweet, 2601 01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:25.439 and you're just going on a hike so cute that 2602 01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:28.119 one's got to be on it. Some other ones that 2603 01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:31.359 I think are a bit more niche but probably worth 2604 01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:35.479 talking about potion Craft Alchemist Simulator Mike. You and I 2605 01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:40.119 played this game and really liked it. You are solving crimes, 2606 01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:42.800 which might not be cozy in the sense, but like 2607 01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:45.800 it's fun being like, oh my gosh, this person's cat 2608 01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:48.479 is sick and I know exactly the right potion to craft, 2609 01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:51.439 or like this person is like devious and might have 2610 01:59:51.479 --> 01:59:55.960 committed amurder and I can solve it using potions and like, uh, 2611 01:59:56.399 --> 01:59:59.680 you know, grinding the right leaves and shit into a 2612 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:03.319 pot that felt really good and cozy. I loved pretending 2613 02:00:03.439 --> 02:00:06.319 to be an alchemist. So those are ones I would 2614 02:00:06.359 --> 02:00:07.920 really recommend I. 2615 02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:11.039 Have two more. Yeah, it's more it's I think it 2616 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:17.760 leans more heavily puzzle than cozy game. But Strange Horticulture 2617 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:20.359 I think also kind of scratches similar itches, and. 2618 02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:24.039 Strange Horticulture might even be even better than Potion Craft. 2619 02:00:24.079 --> 02:00:26.960 They're both That's what Strange Culture. I think it is 2620 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:29.359 the one I meant, Oh no, I think I really 2621 02:00:29.520 --> 02:00:30.399 liked Strange. 2622 02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:34.199 Hort The Potion thing was similar, it's just with the animals, but. 2623 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:36.560 Strange Horticulture is the one where they think somebody's dying 2624 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:38.880 and you got to like figure out who's the liar. 2625 02:00:39.720 --> 02:00:44.199 That's Strange Horticulture. Okay, gosh, that game is so good 2626 02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:46.520 and it has a cozy cat on a windowsill. I 2627 02:00:46.920 --> 02:00:49.239 changed my mind. It's it's it's Strange Horticulture. 2628 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:53.279 I will also say another game I would kind of 2629 02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:55.760 classify as cozy. It's also sort of just like meditative 2630 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:59.600 as unpacking. Oh yeah, totally five years ago that was 2631 02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:04.000 like that was the most yeah, meditative or like just 2632 02:01:04.159 --> 02:01:07.560 flow state, like not doing much like almost Powerwatch stimulatory, 2633 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:09.119 but like a little bit more involved. 2634 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:11.439 It was so smart with like, you know, a lot 2635 02:01:11.479 --> 02:01:12.800 of it is just like okay, where am I going 2636 02:01:12.840 --> 02:01:14.199 to put this stuff? And every once in a while 2637 02:01:14.279 --> 02:01:16.119 it'll hit you with something like the diploma thing and 2638 02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:17.800 there's no place to put it, and it's. 2639 02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:20.159 Like, oh, that's such a smart narrative. Like the thing. 2640 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:22.319 As much as I I don't love story when it's 2641 02:01:22.399 --> 02:01:24.159 just like now I'm watching this cut scene now, it's 2642 02:01:24.199 --> 02:01:27.960 this dialogue. That thing was just like Wow, what an 2643 02:01:28.079 --> 02:01:31.720 interesting way to tell a story with just like using 2644 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.079 the mechanics of the game, and it came out of nowhere. 2645 02:01:34.079 --> 02:01:35.239 It's like, that's so fucking smart. 2646 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:39.119 Like a photo of the character and their ex from 2647 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:41.079 like years ago that they forgot about that they're not 2648 02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:44.159 well obviously they're not dating their excenymorning. You're like, ah, shit, 2649 02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:46.199 that's kind of sad, like that they just found this 2650 02:01:46.279 --> 02:01:47.680 in a box and now it's like where do I 2651 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:49.880 put it? You slip it under the bed somewhere. 2652 02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:51.680 Still, it's a great game. 2653 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:55.399 Environmental storytelling is very well done in the DAN. What 2654 02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:56.680 would you add to our bundle? 2655 02:01:58.039 --> 02:02:00.319 I just want to call out a Powerwash simulator. Hillary. 2656 02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:02.319 That's a great call because like that is I guess 2657 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:04.760 I don't do a ton of cozy games. Well, I 2658 02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:07.000 mean that's on Hillary's bundle here. I love Stardu, we 2659 02:02:07.039 --> 02:02:10.720 love Animal Crossing, and then Powerwash. That that was my 2660 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:12.680 go to wheres like sometimes there's nights where it's like 2661 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:14.840 I just don't want to have to think about anything 2662 02:02:15.159 --> 02:02:17.239 or you know, be challenged or anything. 2663 02:02:17.279 --> 02:02:18.319 I just want to zone out. 2664 02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:21.079 Maybe listen to a podcast or something, and I can't 2665 02:02:21.119 --> 02:02:22.960 think of a game that made time just fly by 2666 02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:27.279 like Powerwash Simulator, but like while remaining intensely satisfying every 2667 02:02:27.439 --> 02:02:29.920 step of the way. So I just want to shout 2668 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:33.600 out Hillary's call there. Yeah, my own personal ones, Like 2669 02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:37.159 I feel like between Stardoo, Animal Crossing, and Powerwash, those 2670 02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:39.399 are like that might be my top three right there. 2671 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:42.479 I mean those are all classics. A couple others that 2672 02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:45.199 I don't think would make the list, but I still 2673 02:02:45.239 --> 02:02:47.479 have to say their names because they're really good. Is 2674 02:02:48.399 --> 02:02:50.840 Later Alligator, which is just like such a cute little 2675 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:54.199 game that you can play as an alligator frog detective, 2676 02:02:55.239 --> 02:02:57.760 so cozy and funny and silly, and you're just a 2677 02:02:57.800 --> 02:03:04.560 little frog solving silly crime. Macnarium that is a point 2678 02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:06.840 and click adventure where you're like a little machine in 2679 02:03:06.920 --> 02:03:09.399 a big world and it's I find it very cozy, 2680 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:12.239 and the music is you could fall asleep to it. 2681 02:03:12.319 --> 02:03:15.720 It's so zen and comforting. And then the last one 2682 02:03:15.720 --> 02:03:18.399 I actually would put this on my list Little Inferno. 2683 02:03:20.039 --> 02:03:22.640 Do you guys remember a little inferno? Right And you're 2684 02:03:22.640 --> 02:03:25.520 in a fireplace and you just light shit on fire? Yeah, yeah, 2685 02:03:25.880 --> 02:03:29.119 so cozy. I mean like the definition of being. Like 2686 02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:32.319 I wonder what would happen if I put popcorn and 2687 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:36.399 uh marshmallows in the fire and light them up, and 2688 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:39.520 like something different happens because you've combined these two items 2689 02:03:39.560 --> 02:03:42.439 and lit them on fire. I could play that all day. 2690 02:03:43.079 --> 02:03:45.319 Mary, did you see the trailer for There Are No 2691 02:03:45.439 --> 02:03:47.239 Ghosts at the Grand at SGF? 2692 02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:48.560 No I missed it. 2693 02:03:48.760 --> 02:03:53.479 Okay, Mary, you need to watch this right after this 2694 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:56.159 podcast because like it was definitely one of the top, 2695 02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:58.159 maybe like after a ship right now. 2696 02:03:58.760 --> 02:04:03.279 Yeah, inherit a crumbling English hotel and restore it by 2697 02:04:03.399 --> 02:04:06.840 day while battling ghosts at night with a sardonic cat, 2698 02:04:07.239 --> 02:04:11.239 a talking power tool, and a twisting natural plot. This 2699 02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:15.319 is a musical mystery musical unlike any other. Will you 2700 02:04:15.399 --> 02:04:17.560 be able to hold it together while everything around you 2701 02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:18.359 falls apart? 2702 02:04:18.560 --> 02:04:20.920 Oh wait, this sounds off my ally too. Definitely. 2703 02:04:21.239 --> 02:04:22.000 You just see the trailer. 2704 02:04:22.119 --> 02:04:23.920 It looks like it's like a house flipper thing where 2705 02:04:23.920 --> 02:04:25.399 you have a magic gun where you're cleaning up this 2706 02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:28.439 spooky mansion. But then there's like musical numbers and stuff, 2707 02:04:28.439 --> 02:04:32.560 and it's like blueprints house flipper like spooky. 2708 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:33.720 Like it looks fucking awesome. 2709 02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:36.680 Whoa, this is coming soon too? Yeah, this looks red. 2710 02:04:36.840 --> 02:04:40.039 Oh yeah, shoot, paint off the wall. 2711 02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:41.399 Why is there a priest degree? 2712 02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:44.479 Yeah, and it's what's the cat's name is, like mister 2713 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:46.079 Bones the Bastard or something. 2714 02:04:47.239 --> 02:04:49.119 Yeah, this is Mary. I'll tell you now. This will 2715 02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.920 be game pass, so God, thank you. Yes, yes, I 2716 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:54.600 really loved it when I saw this. 2717 02:04:55.560 --> 02:05:00.720 This looks awesome. Pickman's almost a co game kind of 2718 02:05:02.199 --> 02:05:04.800 except like you can dying until they all get. 2719 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:06.920 Scream. 2720 02:05:07.600 --> 02:05:09.199 You have a Pickman's up there. And then what was 2721 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:11.680 that game pass game that we all dan you played 2722 02:05:11.720 --> 02:05:15.279 and then recommended and we all yes, tiny. 2723 02:05:14.840 --> 02:05:19.520 Is awesome, like low risk. Oh yeah, it's a great one. Yeah, 2724 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:20.640 that's maybe if I were to add. 2725 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:23.399 One to all sorts of things can be cozy, even 2726 02:05:23.439 --> 02:05:27.560 if they have like some stress to them, right, because 2727 02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:29.840 it's it's like what you consider something. 2728 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:34.279 That like city City, do you count that? 2729 02:05:34.800 --> 02:05:38.000 I would? I think it can be cozy. I don't 2730 02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:40.920 think there's any rules, right, Like Dredge can be cozy 2731 02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:44.159 and that kind of stressful. But like I like the 2732 02:05:44.279 --> 02:05:47.319 idea of escaping into the world where like I'm a 2733 02:05:47.399 --> 02:05:50.000 fisherman looking for stuff, and I gotta be careful at night, 2734 02:05:50.199 --> 02:05:52.159 like I I don't know. I mean, I don't think 2735 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:56.399 there's like official hard set rules to it, but yeah, 2736 02:05:56.439 --> 02:05:58.279 I find a lot of those types of games like 2737 02:05:58.560 --> 02:05:59.159 very cozy. 2738 02:06:00.079 --> 02:06:03.920 Yeah, well, thank you, Hillary. We should do that another 2739 02:06:03.960 --> 02:06:05.159 episode with different genres. 2740 02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:05.720 That's fun. 2741 02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:10.159 Yeah, okay, Dan, do you want to read this one 2742 02:06:10.640 --> 02:06:12.079 from Matthew in Greenville? 2743 02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:14.680 Do you eat the drink garnish? 2744 02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:17.640 Obviously, I'm talking about the edible, practical stuff like an 2745 02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:19.600 orange slice and a blue moon or a cherry and 2746 02:06:19.640 --> 02:06:21.800 a cocktail. Do I look weird when I eat it? 2747 02:06:21.960 --> 02:06:23.880 Is it meant to be eaten? That's Matthew and Greenville. 2748 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:25.720 I always eat it like I like it. It's like 2749 02:06:25.720 --> 02:06:27.800 a tree at the end, or it's like, all right, 2750 02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:28.439 I drank. 2751 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:28.960 This my tie. 2752 02:06:29.039 --> 02:06:30.840 And I know not all my ties have like pineapple 2753 02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:32.560 wedges in it, but like sometimes I do, and like 2754 02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:34.159 at the end it's like this is pineapple wedge. It 2755 02:06:34.199 --> 02:06:36.199 has been sitting in delicious my tie for a while. 2756 02:06:36.439 --> 02:06:38.239 I'll bite it and it's like, okay, that tastes good 2757 02:06:38.439 --> 02:06:41.039 and to yourself that it's it's healthy, you know, because 2758 02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:43.800 it's fruit, and it's and it's soaked in rum. 2759 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:44.479 Yeah it's great. 2760 02:06:44.880 --> 02:06:46.479 Yeah, it depends on my garnish, for sure. 2761 02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:49.000 It depends, right, Like, I think there's some that might 2762 02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:50.960 be a little bit more strange than others. If you 2763 02:06:51.039 --> 02:06:54.439 get a dirty martini with olives, eat them, olives, You've 2764 02:06:54.479 --> 02:06:59.439 earned them. If you get a old fashioned or whatever 2765 02:06:59.479 --> 02:07:01.319 that comes with the Maraschino cherry, I don't think that's 2766 02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:07.319 old fashioned. Y Manhattan, Manhattan's about the Marichino cherry. I 2767 02:07:07.319 --> 02:07:08.560 would eat that Maraschino cherry. 2768 02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:08.920 Yeah. 2769 02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:13.359 I personally think that if you get a lime with 2770 02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:16.640 your beer and you and you eat your lime, I 2771 02:07:16.680 --> 02:07:18.520 think squeeze that. I think you're a weird. 2772 02:07:18.960 --> 02:07:21.039 The rule of thumb is if it's a food you 2773 02:07:21.079 --> 02:07:21.520 would eat. 2774 02:07:21.640 --> 02:07:23.760 The question is this, do you eat it? And I'm 2775 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:25.359 saying no, you don't eat that lime. 2776 02:07:25.560 --> 02:07:26.880 I think the rule of thumb is if it's a 2777 02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:29.479 food you would eat outside of a cocktail context. Yes, 2778 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:31.399 but I'm not like chowing down on a handful of 2779 02:07:31.439 --> 02:07:33.960 mint or cinnamon sticks when I'm done with something, you know, like, 2780 02:07:34.279 --> 02:07:36.319 but I'll eat a cherry or a pineapple wedge. 2781 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:41.439 You know, I have a weird one, okay, and Amanda 2782 02:07:41.479 --> 02:07:45.560 thought it was weird. So have you guys had a 2783 02:07:45.560 --> 02:07:49.920 Gibson before? Probably it's a martini, but it's basically martini, 2784 02:07:50.039 --> 02:07:54.199 but instead of olives, it's a cocktail onion, a little 2785 02:07:54.279 --> 02:07:57.920 like small pearl onion. Yeah, are you guys not onion 2786 02:07:58.000 --> 02:07:58.560 fans or do you? 2787 02:07:59.319 --> 02:08:01.520 I've come around onions, but I'm not just gonna chow 2788 02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:01.920 down on. 2789 02:08:02.079 --> 02:08:05.119 Like, onions are weird to me. They're so small. Why 2790 02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:06.800 are they so small? I don't know about that? 2791 02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:07.680 Yeah, what are they to? 2792 02:08:08.039 --> 02:08:09.439 Yeah? Be bigger? 2793 02:08:10.000 --> 02:08:13.319 I'm so big. Gibson is one of my and my 2794 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:17.880 wife's like go to cocktails that that's definitely my martini 2795 02:08:17.960 --> 02:08:21.439 of choice. I sometimes eat those at the end and you're, 2796 02:08:21.560 --> 02:08:23.479 I don't you. I really don't think you're supposed to 2797 02:08:23.600 --> 02:08:28.319 eat those because they're not as like trowelble as olives. 2798 02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:31.079 The first time I did, She's like, I don't think 2799 02:08:31.079 --> 02:08:32.760 you're supposed to eat it. We had to like look 2800 02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:34.600 up what was etiquette? Not that I was going to 2801 02:08:34.640 --> 02:08:37.279 stop me if it wasn't, but like that, that was 2802 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:38.800 definitely a weird one because that's a garnish. 2803 02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:40.159 It's like it adds the etiquette. 2804 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:42.720 I don't, I think. I mean, it's your drink, do 2805 02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:44.520 whatever you want, but like, I don't. 2806 02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:45.479 You said you looked it up. 2807 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:49.039 Oh yeah, I know, I And then I said, etiquette, 2808 02:08:49.039 --> 02:08:50.119 you're not supposed. 2809 02:08:49.720 --> 02:08:52.600 To You're okay, you're not supposed to eat my onion. 2810 02:08:53.239 --> 02:08:55.560 I don't think so, like because most it's not a 2811 02:08:57.000 --> 02:09:00.159 that's a very that can be an offensive taste to 2812 02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:00.640 get at. 2813 02:09:01.000 --> 02:09:01.520 It's a lot. 2814 02:09:01.960 --> 02:09:05.239 Yeah, it's like it's like holes when he climbs the 2815 02:09:05.279 --> 02:09:07.520 mountain and finds those sweet onions on the tree. 2816 02:09:08.279 --> 02:09:08.920 Like holes. 2817 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:14.840 Oh god. I think the question, though, has some that 2818 02:09:14.920 --> 02:09:17.319 are questionable or like some that might be more on 2819 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:21.760 the fence. For example, an orange slice in a blue moon. 2820 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:24.119 I don't think you should eat the orange slice in 2821 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:24.760 the blue moon. 2822 02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:25.760 I'll do that. 2823 02:09:27.319 --> 02:09:30.119 Blue Moon is not a classy like beer to begin with. 2824 02:09:30.279 --> 02:09:32.399 You might as well just make the most of it. 2825 02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:36.920 But I think it flavors the blue Moon. And then 2826 02:09:36.960 --> 02:09:37.960 I'm done with the drink. 2827 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:41.119 Yeah Moon, but the dance point. Then you drink the beer, 2828 02:09:41.159 --> 02:09:44.600 and then the orange is soaked in beer. It's like rumham. 2829 02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:49.720 I can see it. But you don't agree on eating 2830 02:09:50.199 --> 02:09:50.680 the lime? 2831 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:54.239 No, I agree on the lime, I agree, what context 2832 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:55.439 are you're just eating a lime. 2833 02:09:55.359 --> 02:09:57.880 Unless you're doing the tequila shot in salt and lime. 2834 02:09:58.239 --> 02:09:59.840 Okay, but that's you suck in the juice. 2835 02:10:00.119 --> 02:10:03.199 That's for the acid to neutralize the Yeah, I know. 2836 02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:05.319 Like same. Similarly, if you were going to have a 2837 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:08.279 martini with a twist of lemon, you wouldn't eat the no. 2838 02:10:09.039 --> 02:10:10.600 No, And I love limes and lemons and I'm not 2839 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:11.600 just gonna go to town. 2840 02:10:11.439 --> 02:10:14.600 On that, of course I wouldn't. I'm kidding. 2841 02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:16.840 I want to hear your thoughts on like it's a 2842 02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:18.640 big gimmick in some places now where it's like you 2843 02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:20.880 get a Bloody Mary or Bloody Mary brunch and it's 2844 02:10:20.920 --> 02:10:24.359 got like a bone steak yeah yeah, and the celery 2845 02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:27.560 stock and like eight pieces of bacon some skills, you know. 2846 02:10:27.880 --> 02:10:29.800 Very gimmicky and I don't care for it. 2847 02:10:30.039 --> 02:10:30.600 I don't love it. 2848 02:10:30.880 --> 02:10:33.520 Yeah. I think it depends on the context. If you're 2849 02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:35.880 just doing it just to do it, then no. If 2850 02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:37.640 you're doing it at like a place like there's a 2851 02:10:37.680 --> 02:10:41.079 place on the Upper West Side that is very much 2852 02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:45.920 like it's about Southern comfort brunch with fucking biscuits overloaded 2853 02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:49.319 with fried chicken and heavy sauces. It makes sense in 2854 02:10:49.479 --> 02:10:52.239 that regard. And also there's a barbecue place in Brooklyn 2855 02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:54.960 that does it and they put like some of their 2856 02:10:55.039 --> 02:10:57.239 bacon in it. I was like, it makes sense in 2857 02:10:57.399 --> 02:10:59.920 that context. But if you're just like a place that's 2858 02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:02.159 got like that run of the mill menu that does 2859 02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:05.199 like everything from nacho's to fried chicken, yes, then that 2860 02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:08.079 becomes a bit like this just feels like an Instagram 2861 02:11:08.199 --> 02:11:09.279 trap exactly. 2862 02:11:09.319 --> 02:11:11.119 That's I was just gonna say, like, ever since Instagram, 2863 02:11:11.159 --> 02:11:13.319 I feel like you also see that with like milkshakes 2864 02:11:13.359 --> 02:11:15.800 and Sundays and stuff where it's like, isn't it crazy 2865 02:11:15.880 --> 02:11:18.640 that we covered the entire glass and sprinkles and it's 2866 02:11:18.680 --> 02:11:20.960 got a full Snickers bar and a cake piece and 2867 02:11:21.039 --> 02:11:24.000 stuff like times like this is just because it looks crazy. 2868 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:26.399 It's not that this is actually like flavors that like 2869 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:29.399 work well together necessarily. It's just like shoved in there, 2870 02:11:29.560 --> 02:11:29.720 you know. 2871 02:11:29.960 --> 02:11:32.159 Yeah, And there's also kinds of garden you do have 2872 02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:34.319 to eat them in that case it'd be weird. Yeah 2873 02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:36.880 you did it, Oh yeah, the tea bone steak. 2874 02:11:37.399 --> 02:11:37.600 Yeah. 2875 02:11:38.199 --> 02:11:40.680 And there's different kinds of garnishes too. There's there's stuff 2876 02:11:40.680 --> 02:11:44.640 that's meant to actually flavor the liquid itself. There's others 2877 02:11:44.720 --> 02:11:46.920 that's meant for the old factory. When you drink it, 2878 02:11:47.039 --> 02:11:49.600 it's like my tie has been in your nose to 2879 02:11:49.720 --> 02:11:52.159 add to taste. Is just gonna old factory at a 2880 02:11:52.199 --> 02:11:56.159 certain point anyway, But like those, I usually don't eat 2881 02:11:56.199 --> 02:11:58.800 because I'm not I love mint like freshman, but I'm 2882 02:11:58.840 --> 02:12:00.279 not chomping on them fresh minute. 2883 02:12:00.840 --> 02:12:03.439 Just eat a whole sprig of mint. 2884 02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:03.760 Yeah. 2885 02:12:05.680 --> 02:12:09.119 Yeah, it seems like you'd be going feral, like eating 2886 02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:11.399 leaves like that. I I think. 2887 02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:12.079 So. 2888 02:12:12.199 --> 02:12:15.279 It sounds like we're in agreement that if you would 2889 02:12:15.279 --> 02:12:18.079 eat it on its own without the drink, that it 2890 02:12:18.239 --> 02:12:22.880 is reasonable and socially acceptable, and if you would not 2891 02:12:23.520 --> 02:12:25.800 eat that item without the drink, then it might be 2892 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:26.880 considered a faux pas. 2893 02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:30.840 They were just weird, like anyone, just like eating a 2894 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:32.760 lime and'd be like, the hell are you doing? 2895 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:33.039 You know? 2896 02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:36.359 That's why the onion is weird for me. 2897 02:12:36.520 --> 02:12:40.920 Yeah, I don't know, like that, like an apple, not 2898 02:12:41.039 --> 02:12:41.640 in that form. 2899 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:47.439 Yeah, not tiny, not twenty tiny? Onions get bigger, Like 2900 02:12:47.560 --> 02:12:49.800 what's up with that? Do they make them that big 2901 02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:51.720 or did they come into the ground that small. 2902 02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:55.159 Yeah, they're meant to they're meant for, Like I use 2903 02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:57.600 pearl onions usually in like slow cooked stuff. 2904 02:12:58.960 --> 02:13:01.279 Like do they use a tiny wheelbarrel when they get them. 2905 02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:05.560 It's tiny people harvesting normal size onions. Then they give 2906 02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:06.079 it to us. 2907 02:13:06.520 --> 02:13:07.079 That makes sense. 2908 02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:15.239 Hi guy, Hi, my family for a whole week. They 2909 02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:17.439 climb up, take my drink and I throw it away 2910 02:13:17.479 --> 02:13:18.359 because it's a faux pot. 2911 02:13:19.039 --> 02:13:21.119 They climb up to the top of their little ziggurattes 2912 02:13:21.319 --> 02:13:24.640 among their bush jungles and like it's an offering to 2913 02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:28.079 the dos. Here's your onion for your drink, and then 2914 02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:34.039 we don't even eat it. Uh cool, Thank you, Matthew. 2915 02:13:36.039 --> 02:13:39.000 Last one, Hello Escapees. I'm currently listening to your most 2916 02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:41.920 recent episode with Mary dropping her Ponty Bowling team names 2917 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:44.680 and it's splitting me up. Pun intended. I happen to 2918 02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:47.359 be currently driving from Regina back to thunder Bay. I 2919 02:13:47.399 --> 02:13:50.399 think those are Canadian things. After competing in a national 2920 02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:53.439 five pin pin bowling tournament and I was wondering what 2921 02:13:53.640 --> 02:13:56.560 niche sport slash activity would you all spend decades of 2922 02:13:56.600 --> 02:13:59.079 your life training in to win a national gold medal. 2923 02:13:59.640 --> 02:14:01.840 Love you all and thoroughly enjoy all the work y'all 2924 02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:03.880 do Cheers David from Ontario. 2925 02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:09.960 Thanks speed running for me. Speed speed running like game 2926 02:14:10.079 --> 02:14:10.520 stuff like. 2927 02:14:12.199 --> 02:14:14.399 Speed no video of it. 2928 02:14:14.479 --> 02:14:15.840 You just sound like a psychopath. 2929 02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:18.279 Oh I'm not winning any medals for running. 2930 02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:22.239 For fastest for speed. I could beat that, Noah, dude. 2931 02:14:23.680 --> 02:14:26.119 Uh No, speed running is something that's like requires like 2932 02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:29.720 actual crazy skill to do, and especially the idea of 2933 02:14:29.800 --> 02:14:31.399 doing it for a dumb game like getting on the 2934 02:14:31.439 --> 02:14:33.960 ET leaderboard and stuff like that. Like that's something I 2935 02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:36.560 always am interested to hear more about and try. 2936 02:14:40.920 --> 02:14:41.239 I got. 2937 02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:43.960 I mean, I don't know how. It's not as niche 2938 02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:48.199 as that, I don't think, but like I am working 2939 02:14:48.279 --> 02:14:53.159 on like blind tasting wines. But there's no Olympic tournament 2940 02:14:53.520 --> 02:14:53.880 you doing. 2941 02:14:54.560 --> 02:14:56.479 There was, I would win. 2942 02:14:57.079 --> 02:14:57.920 Be so boring. 2943 02:14:58.520 --> 02:15:06.039 Oh god, it be so boring to watch that tasting targlings. 2944 02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:09.159 Do we think he's gonna go cap froncissant? Sarah? This 2945 02:15:09.279 --> 02:15:11.399 is the where the juncture? This could mean? Oh I 2946 02:15:11.520 --> 02:15:13.159 just said something really dumb. The one was a red, 2947 02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:14.479 one was a white. I'm embarrassed. 2948 02:15:14.680 --> 02:15:16.960 Yeah, we thought you were a idiot for a second. Yeah. 2949 02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:22.000 No, I'm trying to like, Uh, we've got a question 2950 02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:24.359 similar where it's like, what is one very niche thing 2951 02:15:24.439 --> 02:15:26.560 that you're better at you think you're you're better at 2952 02:15:26.600 --> 02:15:28.600 than anyone in the world. This is kind of like 2953 02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:32.239 I think the question is more what is something niche 2954 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:34.159 you want to be good at enough to win in 2955 02:15:34.239 --> 02:15:40.199 gold medals? Like I would love to play a mandolin 2956 02:15:40.319 --> 02:15:42.520 with my dick. Would be pretty interesting. 2957 02:15:42.680 --> 02:15:45.039 Be funny, that's super obscure. 2958 02:15:46.039 --> 02:15:47.319 That's what the question asked. 2959 02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:51.199 I could be like that le I could be the 2960 02:15:51.239 --> 02:15:52.840 guy who like ate the most legos. 2961 02:15:54.279 --> 02:15:58.159 Yeah, now we're cooking. I'd love to like I'd love 2962 02:15:58.279 --> 02:15:58.520 to have. 2963 02:16:00.399 --> 02:16:02.720 Guinness World Records that you might die from. 2964 02:16:03.479 --> 02:16:06.880 Yeah, I'd love to like burn the most nursing homes 2965 02:16:06.880 --> 02:16:07.399 to the ground. 2966 02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:12.159 They got the gold. There they go in the back 2967 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:13.000 of the paddy. 2968 02:16:12.800 --> 02:16:20.319 Wagon silver, silver, and tied at one nursing home. I 2969 02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:22.439 got gold because I did it to like fourteen of them. 2970 02:16:24.800 --> 02:16:27.520 I go, I left. Uh. There's those people that can 2971 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:31.560 recite like how many numbers from pie? Oh, yeah, that's 2972 02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:34.879 that's not that's that's that's more impressive. 2973 02:16:35.000 --> 02:16:37.600 That's really impressive. This one would be like a person 2974 02:16:37.799 --> 02:16:41.879 who can uh construct a screen door the fastest. 2975 02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:45.319 Or like, I've seen more shooting stars than anybody, and 2976 02:16:45.440 --> 02:16:48.120 the only metric you have is my own word. Yeah, 2977 02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:50.440 I've seen three hundred and five thousand. 2978 02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:58.760 The most iPhones screens broken by dropping them. 2979 02:16:59.079 --> 02:17:03.200 That's my sister Kate. Yeah, I've never broken one. I'd 2980 02:17:03.239 --> 02:17:04.959 never understand how people are constantly doing that. 2981 02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:06.639 I've broken a couple. 2982 02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:10.239 I've cracked a screen in my time. Yeah, I wish 2983 02:17:10.280 --> 02:17:12.719 hard these days, say I to have it. Well, the 2984 02:17:12.760 --> 02:17:15.719 screen protector has saved my buns. I have cracked so 2985 02:17:15.920 --> 02:17:18.319 many screen protectors, but I just get a new screen protector. 2986 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:25.280 Have you guys ever seen A Long Way Down? It's 2987 02:17:25.360 --> 02:17:29.959 a documentary. I think it's got Ewan McGregor, who's like 2988 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:33.120 an actor but he actually really likes motorcycles and he 2989 02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:36.479 motorbikes down like a long stretch of road with his 2990 02:17:36.600 --> 02:17:39.280 best friend and it's just a it's just documents how 2991 02:17:39.319 --> 02:17:43.879 they do it. He's done it four times now, which 2992 02:17:43.959 --> 02:17:46.120 is so crazy. But I've watched them because I find 2993 02:17:46.159 --> 02:17:49.959 them really fascinating. It's just two bros, two dudes trying 2994 02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:52.920 to get down a long distance with motorcycles and if 2995 02:17:52.920 --> 02:17:55.719 they break down, they have to fix them if they 2996 02:17:55.799 --> 02:17:57.479 fall over and get hurt, they have to figure it out. 2997 02:17:57.520 --> 02:17:59.120 They camp on the side of the road and then 2998 02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:01.559 they just go down like lots of countries for like 2999 02:18:01.760 --> 02:18:03.959 months to get to their final destination. But they're doing 3000 02:18:04.000 --> 02:18:07.120 another one and I'm watching it right now. I think 3001 02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:09.559 it's called the Long Way Home. And they're going to 3002 02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:12.719 their local areas near them because they live in like 3003 02:18:12.959 --> 02:18:17.280 you know, Uh, they just live in the areas where 3004 02:18:17.360 --> 02:18:20.479 like you know, Ireland and just in Europe essentially, so 3005 02:18:20.520 --> 02:18:23.000 they're going through a lot of europe places. And they 3006 02:18:23.120 --> 02:18:28.440 went to a place in uh. I think it's is 3007 02:18:28.520 --> 02:18:32.520 it the Netherlands, Uh, it's Dutch and they it's a 3008 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:38.239 Dutch sport called flear lipin and it's Dutch canal vaulting. 3009 02:18:38.559 --> 02:18:40.879 I know you've probably seen this before, but this is 3010 02:18:40.959 --> 02:18:46.600 the thing where somebody runs, grabs a pole, scurries up 3011 02:18:46.639 --> 02:18:49.520 it as fast as possible to get across the canal 3012 02:18:49.959 --> 02:18:51.440 and if they can get to the top, they win 3013 02:18:52.040 --> 02:18:54.079 and then they just like crash on the other side 3014 02:18:54.079 --> 02:18:54.520 of the water. 3015 02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:57.440 There's that like there's that that brings two things to mine. 3016 02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:02.520 There's a thing I think it's in Britain somewhere where 3017 02:19:02.520 --> 02:19:05.000 they roll a wheel of cheese down a very steep. 3018 02:19:04.760 --> 02:19:08.239 Hill and then kester cheese thing or something. 3019 02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:13.319 Totally totally biffs it when they go down, Like I 3020 02:19:13.360 --> 02:19:14.680 think people at. 3021 02:19:15.479 --> 02:19:18.399 Oh my god, like end over and like yeah, eating shit. 3022 02:19:18.719 --> 02:19:22.280 But then there's the Alaska truck thing on fourth of July. 3023 02:19:22.440 --> 02:19:25.280 There's that one town in Alaska that like celebrates by 3024 02:19:26.760 --> 02:19:30.319 driving trucks over this huge cliff. Like people aren't in 3025 02:19:30.440 --> 02:19:32.600 the trucks, to be clear, they're just like people that 3026 02:19:32.680 --> 02:19:34.840 wanted to get rid of cars. Will you know, put 3027 02:19:34.920 --> 02:19:36.600 put a brick on the gas of these trucks. Just 3028 02:19:36.639 --> 02:19:39.200 look it up like Alaska Fourth of July truck crash. 3029 02:19:39.440 --> 02:19:41.479 Oh wow, that's super great. And then they just watch 3030 02:19:41.559 --> 02:19:44.120 it crash down the hill and cheer and drink beers. 3031 02:19:44.440 --> 02:19:46.639 I like stuff like that. That's like not very serious. 3032 02:19:46.719 --> 02:19:48.559 I like the Red Bull ones where they're like fly 3033 02:19:48.719 --> 02:19:52.120 a plane the longest, but the planes like look like, uh, 3034 02:19:52.799 --> 02:19:54.959 it doesn't really matter, but they don't look like planes 3035 02:19:54.959 --> 02:19:56.639 and they're not going to make it. They look like 3036 02:19:56.760 --> 02:19:58.559 cars with like these tiny little wings and they just 3037 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:00.600 immediately fall into the water and like that would be 3038 02:20:00.639 --> 02:20:04.239 fun to win to like actually like do good at I. 3039 02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:07.680 Don't know if this is just a weird rural Midwestern thing, 3040 02:20:07.760 --> 02:20:09.520 but I feel like growing up there was always these 3041 02:20:09.559 --> 02:20:11.920 things at ponds and lakes where it's a competition to 3042 02:20:12.079 --> 02:20:14.360 like people have to make a boat out of cardboard 3043 02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:16.280 and see if they can like get across the lake. 3044 02:20:16.479 --> 02:20:18.920 Is this sound familiar to anyone, Yeah, I feel like 3045 02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:20.959 I've run into this like a dozen times in my 3046 02:20:21.040 --> 02:20:22.760 life at different lakes and ponds and stuff, and it's 3047 02:20:22.760 --> 02:20:25.159 just like, yeah, get across in this bullshit thing you made, 3048 02:20:25.319 --> 02:20:26.120 and that's always fun. 3049 02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:27.799 That's like what they did for like a couple of 3050 02:20:27.799 --> 02:20:32.440 seasons of a top Gear World Tour. They did challenges 3051 02:20:32.520 --> 02:20:34.799 like that. They're like, you have to make a completely 3052 02:20:34.959 --> 02:20:41.399 self sustaining biodegradable car. So like one made a car 3053 02:20:41.479 --> 02:20:44.680 out of exclusively bricks and now they're made one out 3054 02:20:44.680 --> 02:20:46.559 of mud and he got like ten feet before it 3055 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:50.399 started melting because it was a vehicle. It was really fun. 3056 02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:52.479 Jake showed me that show, and it's really good. 3057 02:20:52.639 --> 02:20:55.600 I like stuff like that where like, yeah, you're maybe 3058 02:20:55.639 --> 02:20:58.200 you're the best, but it's so obscure and weird. It's 3059 02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:01.760 probably not worth anything, but it's fun. That's the good good. 3060 02:21:02.399 --> 02:21:05.680 I there's there's one other thing. This is kind of 3061 02:21:05.799 --> 02:21:07.559 in line with the email question, but it's also top 3062 02:21:07.639 --> 02:21:12.840 here they are. They find out that there's this convention 3063 02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:17.200 in this small town and these guys are English, so 3064 02:21:17.200 --> 02:21:19.559 I'm assuming it's somewhere in the UK. They find out 3065 02:21:19.559 --> 02:21:23.680 there's a very very small convention of people that get 3066 02:21:23.680 --> 02:21:27.000 together every year to celebrate this one car that's been discontinued. 3067 02:21:27.120 --> 02:21:29.399 And I don't know how else to describe it besides 3068 02:21:29.479 --> 02:21:31.840 like it looks like one of those bicycle taxis that 3069 02:21:31.879 --> 02:21:35.520 they built a car around and there's two wheels in 3070 02:21:35.559 --> 02:21:38.120 the back and one in the front, and it's notorious 3071 02:21:38.440 --> 02:21:43.440 for tipping, like tipping over violently. So this convention and 3072 02:21:43.559 --> 02:21:46.440 people like take care of theirs that they own, like 3073 02:21:46.559 --> 02:21:49.200 really good care. They're not tipping it. So the guys 3074 02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.879 in the show find out about it, and they locate 3075 02:21:51.920 --> 02:21:53.639 where the convention's going to be, and it's just this 3076 02:21:53.760 --> 02:21:56.079 parking lot in the middle of nowhere, and they they 3077 02:21:56.280 --> 02:21:59.440 arrive at the convention by peeling into the parking lot 3078 02:21:59.520 --> 02:22:03.959 and purpose like flipping their car in the everybody looks 3079 02:22:04.040 --> 02:22:06.200 over the cut, the cut from the camera to these 3080 02:22:06.239 --> 02:22:09.040 guys just barreling on the side of the car back 3081 02:22:09.079 --> 02:22:11.200 to the people that like are looking back at the 3082 02:22:11.360 --> 02:22:13.760 entrance to see this one that just toppled in is 3083 02:22:13.879 --> 02:22:19.079 really good. I gotta find that episode. It was really funny. 3084 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:25.120 But yeah, I would like to uh to be the 3085 02:22:25.239 --> 02:22:28.559 person who ate the most cocktail onions. 3086 02:22:29.399 --> 02:22:31.879 I bet I've got to be close to the person 3087 02:22:31.959 --> 02:22:36.479 who's seen the mcgroover the most. I gotta be close, right, 3088 02:22:37.079 --> 02:22:39.079 Like I know people that come around to that movie 3089 02:22:39.239 --> 02:22:41.399 finally it took them long enough, but like it's well 3090 02:22:41.440 --> 02:22:42.680 over fifty times for me. 3091 02:22:43.879 --> 02:22:47.079 That's such a small number for a record, like someone 3092 02:22:47.479 --> 02:22:51.000 someone could be so quickly if they wanted to. Oh yeah, 3093 02:22:52.319 --> 02:22:54.600 people can't. It would be like tough. They'd have to 3094 02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:55.040 work for. 3095 02:22:55.120 --> 02:22:55.479 It, right. 3096 02:22:56.079 --> 02:22:58.399 I'm sure something like you know The Godfather or Lord 3097 02:22:58.440 --> 02:22:59.799 of the Rings, there are people who watch them like 3098 02:23:00.079 --> 02:23:03.639 thousand times or whatever. But like mcgroober, you know, it's 3099 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:05.200 got to Bele's supported now album. 3100 02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:08.079 There's no one who's seen mcgoover more than fifty times. 3101 02:23:08.159 --> 02:23:10.399 I doubt there's ten people on the planet that I 3102 02:23:10.399 --> 02:23:12.959 have seen mcgroover more than me, including like Will Forte 3103 02:23:13.040 --> 02:23:13.799 and the Lowly Island. 3104 02:23:13.840 --> 02:23:16.920 Guys, you've been sitting in the editing booth for days 3105 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:20.840 on end. Yeah, all right, well, thank you David from Ontario. 3106 02:23:21.879 --> 02:23:24.760 That's our show and if you want to send more 3107 02:23:24.840 --> 02:23:28.040 questions at it's Firescape cast at gmail dot com. Uh. 3108 02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:31.040 We've got some other stuff going on as usual. You 3109 02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.120 can go if you're not a patron, you can go 3110 02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:37.639 unlock ad free episodes or our video tier which gets 3111 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:40.040 you our bonus episodes when they go up. Right now, 3112 02:23:40.159 --> 02:23:42.319 we have a series that's been going up on our 3113 02:23:42.680 --> 02:23:45.680 off weeks where an episode doesn't publish. We have Mike 3114 02:23:45.719 --> 02:23:47.840 and Vinnie Save the World. Me and Vinnie Caravella from 3115 02:23:47.879 --> 02:23:50.559 Next Lander have been playing a co op campaign in 3116 02:23:50.639 --> 02:23:53.600 Total War war Hammer three. Uh, the one we're doing 3117 02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:57.639 for fire Escape. We're playing two good factions fighting evil factions, 3118 02:23:57.760 --> 02:24:00.239 and then in the off weeks of that where doing 3119 02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:05.079 evil factions for Next Lander. You do have to be 3120 02:24:05.280 --> 02:24:08.120 a patron for either or in order to get that 3121 02:24:08.280 --> 02:24:13.280 campaign ours is going. We're trying to stabilize the fire 3122 02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:17.079 Escape one. It's been Vinnie's been having a rough go 3123 02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:20.840 of certain things, but he's he's loving the game and 3124 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:23.200 he's getting a hang of a lot of the mechanics. 3125 02:24:23.280 --> 02:24:25.040 I'm having to guide him less and less as the 3126 02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:28.319 shows go on. But that game's complicated, so there's still 3127 02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:30.719 questions every time. But it's been fun. But yeah, you 3128 02:24:30.799 --> 02:24:35.639 can go be a video patron to unlock ours. We 3129 02:24:35.760 --> 02:24:39.239 do have Merch fire Escape, merch dot com or Deep 3130 02:24:39.280 --> 02:24:42.319 Dish Pussy dot com. Just follow us on socials. You 3131 02:24:42.360 --> 02:24:47.840 can get there via one of those. We also are 3132 02:24:48.719 --> 02:24:51.639 I think that's it. Actually, I think that's everything right now, Dan, 3133 02:24:51.719 --> 02:24:52.559 what do you have going on? 3134 02:24:53.600 --> 02:24:55.520 Giant Bomb? I got that stuff going on. 3135 02:24:55.639 --> 02:24:58.399 Just finished a bunch of great SGF couch segments and 3136 02:24:58.719 --> 02:25:00.840 watch alongs and all that. And to check Giant bombs 3137 02:25:00.879 --> 02:25:04.360 YouTube and giant bomb dot com. Slash join to support 3138 02:25:04.559 --> 02:25:07.520 independent games media. That is what is keeping us going. 3139 02:25:07.719 --> 02:25:08.920 So thank you to everyone. 3140 02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:10.319 Mary, what about you? 3141 02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:11.040 You? 3142 02:25:11.200 --> 02:25:17.920 Whate else is independent games media? Fire Escape I'm often 3143 02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:21.959 streaming the games that I talk about here first on Twitch. 3144 02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:25.440 You can check me there. I played a couple of 3145 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:29.799 the games, like The Midnight Walk and Bionic Bay before 3146 02:25:29.840 --> 02:25:32.200 I talked about them on fire Escape, and it's kind 3147 02:25:32.239 --> 02:25:37.000 of fun to get my first thoughts literally live. So 3148 02:25:37.319 --> 02:25:39.920 that's where you can find me and usually on Instagram 3149 02:25:40.040 --> 02:25:43.479 is where I post about my little puppy, my nine 3150 02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:44.000 year old daughter. 3151 02:25:44.040 --> 02:25:46.719 You're a good post with yeah, great. 3152 02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:49.600 Parting it up. Yeah, my sweet, my sweet summer. 3153 02:25:49.440 --> 02:25:52.440 Child, trotting along on trails and by lakes and stuff. 3154 02:25:52.479 --> 02:25:52.879 It's great. 3155 02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:56.000 Yeah, I mean my goal is to serve to take 3156 02:25:56.079 --> 02:26:01.719 him to the finest places with the most exquisite views 3157 02:26:02.799 --> 02:26:06.879 and the most delicious dog food. I got him. I 3158 02:26:06.959 --> 02:26:10.399 fucking got him a pop cup. That is it's like 3159 02:26:10.639 --> 02:26:12.200 whip cream for dogs, you know, like when you go 3160 02:26:12.239 --> 02:26:13.879 to like Stopps and you get a pup cup. I 3161 02:26:14.000 --> 02:26:17.319 bought a canister specifically for dogs, and it's peanut butter flavored. 3162 02:26:17.680 --> 02:26:20.559 And every day, at like around three pm, I call 3163 02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:23.079 it pup cup Hour, and he's like, and he gets 3164 02:26:23.159 --> 02:26:26.559 really excited. I give him a big sploosh of pup 3165 02:26:26.600 --> 02:26:29.680 cup I don't know, whipped cream, and on the jar 3166 02:26:29.760 --> 02:26:33.239 it says very clearly not for human consumption, so it's 3167 02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:38.840 definitely a dog, right, yeah, peanut butter. 3168 02:26:41.479 --> 02:26:44.159 If people are ever in New York and wanna go 3169 02:26:44.280 --> 02:26:46.399 to a visit a good wine bar, I'm summley there. 3170 02:26:46.440 --> 02:26:49.559 I'm not gonna like point out the it's not that 3171 02:26:49.680 --> 02:26:51.200 hard to find. I just don't I'm not going to 3172 02:26:51.239 --> 02:26:53.520 call it out right now, but yeah, look it up, 3173 02:26:53.559 --> 02:26:55.799 look me up on socials and there on the weekends. 3174 02:26:57.559 --> 02:27:01.600 That stuff's in full swing. Yeah, we'll be back in 3175 02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:04.040 a couple of weeks. I think we might have a sub. 3176 02:27:04.920 --> 02:27:06.680 We're figuring out some scheduling, and we might have figured 3177 02:27:06.719 --> 02:27:08.600 out a good No, then we figured it out, okay, cool. 3178 02:27:10.000 --> 02:27:10.920 Then I think. 3179 02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:14.000 Assuming all flights land on time, we're all good. 3180 02:27:14.120 --> 02:27:14.440 Baby. 3181 02:27:15.079 --> 02:27:17.479 Yeah, I think I've got a lot of travel coming 3182 02:27:17.559 --> 02:27:19.959 up in the summer, but uh, I think I'm sure 3183 02:27:20.040 --> 02:27:23.600 we all always do usually, so we'll obviously try to 3184 02:27:23.639 --> 02:27:26.559 be here together as much as possible. I got a 3185 02:27:26.639 --> 02:27:28.719 bunch of games I gotta catch up on in the interim. 3186 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:33.159 Oh, I wonder if you'll talk about this stranding next time. 3187 02:27:33.840 --> 02:27:34.639 Get ready for that? 3188 02:27:36.520 --> 02:27:37.319 Have you been playing it? 3189 02:27:37.959 --> 02:27:40.719 Yes? Oh my, I. 3190 02:27:40.719 --> 02:27:43.000 Don't even know how to react to that could be anything. 3191 02:27:43.120 --> 02:27:49.479 Oh you play it, No, I'm going to it's gonna 3192 02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:55.000 be game of the year. Shut the fuck up, all right. 3193 02:27:55.079 --> 02:27:59.479 Well, zimbargoed, I don't know with that noise, that could 3194 02:27:59.520 --> 02:28:01.399 mean any thing, could mean anything. 3195 02:28:02.360 --> 02:28:04.159 Well, thank you everybody for joining we'll be back in 3196 02:28:04.239 --> 02:28:09.440 two weeks fire Escape see you then bye B.