WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:05.919 I'm John Glover. I was Lionel Luther on Smallville and 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:11.400 I will always always hold on to Smallville and I hope. 3 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:11.679 You all do. 4 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:59.799 Two. Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast, 5 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.119 we've talked about each in every episode of the Young 6 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.560 Superman Show, the ran from two thousand and one to 7 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.920 twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host, 8 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.840 Sach Moore, and we're back with our top ten episodes. 9 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.959 That's right, we're determining the top ten episodes of Smallville 10 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.200 as voted by you, the listeners, and this time the 11 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:26.239 number four entry Memoria, one of the most universally praised 12 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:32.280 episodes of Smallville for good reason and whose fingerprints are 13 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.959 all over it. But Al Goff and Miles Malar wrote 14 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.599 it and Miles Malar directed it. So who knows these characters, 15 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.760 these versions of these characters, better than these guys. And 16 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:48.359 this is just a definitive Lex Luthor story, his relationship 17 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.239 with his father, his mother, his brother who died when 18 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.799 he was a baby, Things that have been hinted at, 19 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.599 and things have been working towards. This entire series pays 20 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:08.319 off continuity. Like everything with Julian doctor Garner Summerhold Institute 21 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.120 sets up new continuity with Clark being put in the 22 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.479 spaceship learning the name of his mom. I mean, this 23 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:18.400 is just such an amazing hour of television, and it's 24 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.360 not number one on this list, and you know, it's 25 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.599 really not number one on my own personal top ten list, 26 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.039 which always changes, but Memorial is always on that list, 27 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.240 let me tell you. But even though it's not number one, 28 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.639 if I had to show people one episode of Smallville, 29 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.000 I would show them this one now out of context 30 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.719 with all this payoff payoff for people. I don't know. 31 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.800 That's hard to say, but I think it's an extremely 32 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.719 compelling story, regardless if how you cut it. And again, 33 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.240 when Smallville is at its best, it's these parallels between 34 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:48.800 Clark and lex Right, They're literally going to go through 35 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.439 the exact same procedure here they have these definitive memories 36 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.719 about their mothers. It's just an amazing hour of television 37 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:59.000 and it's no surprise that it finds itself here on 38 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:02.800 the top half of our top ten list. Let's look 39 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:05.879 back on what we gave Memoria on the letter grade scale. 40 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.360 On the podcast Proper Memoria had myself and Matt Latham. 41 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:13.879 I gave it an A plus and Matt gave it 42 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.479 an A plus. So can't get much higher than that. Literally, 43 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:21.199 cannot get higher than that on our letter grade scale here. 44 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:25.080 So here on the top ten episodes, I am once 45 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.439 again joined by Lance Laster from Always hold On to Arrow, 46 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.520 Victoria Malay, Matt Truix from Lewis and Clark, the new 47 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.800 podcast of Superman, and many of the podcasts here on 48 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:41.120 the Always hold On To network and Patreon, and Matthew Rocco. So, 49 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.000 without further ado, let's discuss the number four episode of 50 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.240 Smallville Memoria. 51 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:51.800 On the WB Wednesday Tends My players Lex must gothage 52 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.479 for the part end when. 53 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:53.960 To say. 54 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.120 Small full Night on the WB Wednesday. 55 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.960 Memoria. Looking at our top ten list from all of 56 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:11.000 us moret is on my top ten list, it's on 57 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.840 Lance's top ten list, it's on True's top ten list, 58 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.199 it's on rocu's top ten list. But Victoria, it's not 59 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.639 on your top ten list? Did you forget about this episode? 60 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:23.600 That's my only exponation. 61 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.560 I don't know what possessed me not to put it 62 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.360 on this one, because it also has like the pre 63 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.560 workers that of like Naked tom Welling was like spicy 64 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.639 And then this episode has always stood out to me 65 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.519 because it's one of my favorite uses of music on Smallville, 66 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.279 which is when they I guess is like the most 67 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.680 emo girl from the early aughts common of all time, 68 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.120 and it wasn't emo and stupid because I thought they 69 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.959 used it so beautifully, but using My Immortal as the 70 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.680 last song to play out the episode, I thought, like 71 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.959 that has always stayed with me, like one of the 72 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.800 best uses of pop music on that show. 73 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.279 Yep, it was really timely at the time too, wasn't 74 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.040 that like it was really new. 75 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.120 Yeah, I think that's why I did it doesn't feel like, 76 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.240 oh it doesn't. They timed it really well. 77 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.040 Evan essence was mainstream. I mean it was. They were 78 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.480 in DAREDEVI well, like most of their songs. And actually 79 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.639 there are two versions of My Immortal they used, like 80 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.560 the like the acoustic piano one on Smallville. Then there's 81 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:26.399 like these the hard rock we love the rock and yeah, 82 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:26.800 I know at the. 83 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:28.800 End very like call Me when You're Sober or whatever. 84 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.000 I love God, that's such a good song though song. 85 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.160 I mean again, I just love those memes where it's 86 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:37.839 like me as a thirteen year old listening to like 87 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.879 my Immortal and then it's like like one of the 88 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.839 fish from SpongeBob being like, oh, this is so real, 89 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:47.319 thirteen and you haven't lived or experienced like most of 90 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.360 us haven't lived or experienced like any hardship. So yeah, no, no, 91 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:52.920 I don't know why I left this one out. I 92 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.279 think I was just. 93 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:56.439 I don't know. 94 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:58.720 It was part of that seven weeks so your memory. 95 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:03.240 They got a race Victoria so trucks. Why is this 96 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:04.319 in your top ten? 97 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.240 Well, I just looked this up. This is my top one. 98 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.720 This is my number one top of the list for me, 99 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.240 as far as like the Lex Luthor story of it 100 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.199 goes for me, there is no better episode than just 101 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.560 kind of encapsulating what this show is trying to do 102 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.680 with him than this. It is a relatively good man 103 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:27.680 that has so much trauma in his life, both as 104 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:30.399 an adult and as a child, and it all comes 105 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.240 to a head here, and like, I feel like this 106 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.319 episode not only informs everything that's come before it, but 107 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.879 it informs everything about the character that goes on from here. 108 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.639 It like it's just this terrible, terrible tragedy that happens 109 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.040 to him. As a kid and as a result of it. 110 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.959 It's not his fault in the least, but it brings 111 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.519 him to this life where he will never truly be loved. 112 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:52.680 By tectomic shift. 113 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:56.319 It's absolutely and we don't know about it, and he 114 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.720 doesn't know about it untill so long, and it just like, 115 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.439 of course he goes dark after this, you know, like 116 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.079 how could you not? How the hell do you come 117 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.920 back from that? That's why I love it. 118 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.000 Yeah, I kind of piggybacking up at your point. It's 119 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.639 just like Lex kind of finally realizes, like why is 120 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.839 my life like this? And then he realizes why his 121 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.439 life is like this? And then that informs the decisions 122 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.199 he makes in the future. Is this realization and these 123 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.319 memories and like especially that last one, and it says 124 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.920 so much about like he and his relationship with his father, 125 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:29.720 and it's interesting. We get to see multiple sides and 126 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:34.360 multiple different facets of Lionel and Lex's relationship as father 127 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.639 and son. In this episode. We get to see when 128 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.439 he turns and actually like you know, immediately begins to 129 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.839 hate Lex. But at the beginning, we get to see 130 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.079 Lionel being a good father and supporting, you know, his son, 131 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.360 who's you know, his heartbroken because you know, people didn't 132 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.319 come to his birthday party. That is the one time 133 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.120 we've seen Lionel being like a positive role model figure, 134 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.600 and it's striking. It's jarring because every other time we 135 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:58.000 se him on the show, he's up to no good. 136 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.959 And it's also kind of heartbreaking too, because like, yeah, 137 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.439 he had the potential, he was able to do that. 138 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.399 It wasn't like he was this like weird sociopath the 139 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:08.800 whole time. I mean, he's definitely like sociopathic, but like 140 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.720 when you see like the seeing that glimmer of him 141 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.720 being a decent father just makes everything else like the 142 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:15.560 more heartbreaking. 143 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.240 Yeah, you see that he was capable of love, right, 144 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.040 and then like you know, which is why it hurts 145 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:21.560 so much when Lex is like, yeah, you might have 146 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.480 actually loved me, It's like that love immediately stopped. And 147 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.720 then Lex never got that from anybody after like as 148 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.480 soon as that happened, he never got it from anybody. 149 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.000 And so Lex's whole thing is like he wants to 150 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.320 be love. You're looking for love and acceptance and he 151 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:36.039 just can't get it. 152 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.519 And it's also to add to the tragedy he is 153 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.759 so capable of love because you see like the fact 154 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.279 he yeah, and sacrifice, like the fact he covered for 155 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:45.759 his mother. 156 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:46.840 Yeah. 157 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:49.840 Oh, I mean, but then that's just such a huge 158 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.279 scar to bear, and you understand why someone might start 159 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.679 building up walls after that. 160 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.240 So, Roco, why is this episode in your top ten list? 161 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:00.960 Memoria is in my top ten list because every element 162 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.799 of production, every element of characterization, it's to me, it's 163 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.600 one of the most powerful episodes of the entire series. 164 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:13.080 It's the writing of Lex Luthor and Lionel, obviously two 165 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.840 of my favorite characters on the show, to see what 166 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:19.360 started the seeds of their animosity as father and son, 167 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:23.279 and to go back and to see this almost Shakespearean tragedy, 168 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.440 which was really beautiful. I thought, I remember when I 169 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:28.000 first watched it and moved me so much. It felt 170 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.679 so sad for Lex's character and even for Lionel, which 171 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:34.240 is hard to do. So every element of it, just 172 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.799 going back to their character arcs, how it plays into 173 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.600 the larger story of Lex's character and the season long 174 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.480 story in season three, to get to see when they're 175 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.279 at their peak odds with each other, to go back 176 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.039 and see the actual love that they had was just 177 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.240 a really beautiful thing. And I just thought every element 178 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.960 of it, from the writing to the acting, which I 179 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.399 thought was Emmy worthy for both John Glover and Michael Rosenbaum. 180 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.960 The directing, I thought it was incredible. 181 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:02.879 Miles Miller. 182 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.399 It's just the way that he shot it. It was 183 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:09.000 like Citizen Kane meets It was so good. 184 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.080 It's so incredible. 185 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.919 Miles Miller, writer and director, has singular vision. I mean, 186 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.039 I'll co creator the show. So who knows these characters, 187 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.600 these version of these characters better than him? Right? They 188 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.279 played their strength in this episode the Luther's right lotas 189 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.039 and two scenes and then Clark's like, why don't you 190 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:24.519 just whyn't you stay away for a while? 191 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.440 So sit down? 192 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.559 And then really, I mean it's Clark, Lex and Lionel, 193 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:34.720 and then of course the mothers the whole key in 194 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:36.639 the you know, Victoria, you were talking about my immortal right. 195 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:38.919 They ended that's a mother's love. Like the theme is 196 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.320 so strong that mother's love never dies. Love never dies, 197 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.799 that's right, Laura. So just just from start to finish, 198 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:44.440 it's brilliant. 199 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.080 Can we talk about to the shift that we see 200 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:49.639 in Lionel, because like he's a good father. In that 201 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:51.840 scene in the Birthday, see him where there's nobody there 202 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:55.279 and he's just like seemingly making up the story about 203 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:57.559 the night and the dragon out of nowhere. And then 204 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:01.240 the next time we see him, Julian isn't in and 205 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.080 he's cold. He's recognizable as the Lionel we know. Is 206 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:08.080 it truly like was Lilian right? Is it truly just 207 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.279 the fact that now I don't have to put all 208 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.159 my eggs and carrying into this, you know, in his perception, 209 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.279 this soft boy that I had first, this this you know, 210 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:22.480 young person with feelings and all of this, Like do 211 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.799 now I get too focus on the new light of 212 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:26.960 the Luther lion you know? 213 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:30.039 Yeah, I think part of Lionel's deal with lex has 214 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.200 ever since he got well, even before the meter show 215 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.120 right in the first scene of the series, really when 216 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:35.960 you see him, he's like, you gotta be strong. You 217 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.080 can't go through life through eyes closed. So he always 218 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:40.639 thought he was soft, and then with the meter shower 219 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:42.679 like he was bald, so he's like, well, this guy's 220 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.000 a freak. This guy's damaged goods, you know. So at 221 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.159 the point you always saw having a second son was like, oh, 222 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:49.639 this is my chance to have, you know, a normal 223 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.200 sun or someone I can really mold in my image. 224 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.399 And we see that throughout the show, like when Lucas 225 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.120 Luther comes on for an episode and ever again in 226 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.559 the alternate universe, right Clark with her, it becomes his 227 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.200 favorite son. 228 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:03.320 Good call, Good Call. 229 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:08.039 I like how it's kind of a reckcon because they said, oh, 230 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.080 my mom gave me this before she died, right, But 231 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.399 at the same time it's it's not because Line was like, oh, 232 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.799 your mom got this for you, but she's tired right now, 233 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:17.240 so I'm gonna tell you this story. So I thought 234 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.559 that was a really smart way to make that a 235 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.720 bonding moment between the two of them. And then who 236 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.559 has that box? By the way, does Clark still have it? 237 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.879 I think, right, I don't know. He never gives it 238 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.159 to Lana, doesn't. He just keeps the necklace in there 239 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:33.799 for a second. 240 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.320 I believe in season six, when Lona is staying with 241 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:39.759 him for some reason, going through all Clark's stuff, you know, 242 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:43.120 as you do, but you're in someone else's room, I 243 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.799 think she finds the necklace, the cured necklace inside the box. 244 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.360 I don't know sure, It's just like, why would Lex 245 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.120 get this away? I guess back then he was really 246 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:55.480 desperate to be his friend, like, hey man, this is 247 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.600 really important to me, but I want you to have it. 248 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:00.840 Didn't they say that all of these things, all of 249 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:06.000 these memories were repressed, so he might not have known 250 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:07.240 the significance of it. 251 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.200 Why would he repressed no one coming to his birthday? 252 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:10.840 That's so weird? 253 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:15.440 Is that not everybody's worst nightmare? 254 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.720 When they yes, I almost like didn't want to watch 255 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.919 the episode when it's I was like, oh, great. 256 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.879 It's heartbreaking. It's really awful. 257 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.360 Because as a kid, that's your greatest fear, your greatest 258 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.240 you know, I had a birthday two months ago and 259 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:28.159 that was my greatest fear. 260 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:32.159 And then but also I was just no, that made 261 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.720 me think we were talking about the mothers. It was 262 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.200 so interesting because like I think also a really interesting 263 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.080 parallel in this episode is like the mother's love because 264 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.000 like the mothers are you know, like stereotypically weirdly like 265 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:49.000 typically like the softer parent or like the more nurturing parent. 266 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.320 But then I thought it was so interesting with with Laura, 267 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.639 it also like humanized. That's like the first time we 268 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.600 see Jarrell as like and we don't really see him, 269 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.440 but like we conceptualize Jerell as not like an evil presence. 270 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.240 So I think that's really because like we are and 271 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.360 we were just talking about how we get that with Lionel, 272 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.759 so it's really interesting that we also get that on 273 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:15.240 Clark's end with Jerrell too, Like it's through Laura and 274 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.080 this revelation about Laura that we realized that Jerell is 275 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:19.799 not just evil Terence Stamp. 276 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.639 Voice, right, right, that's true, yeah, Clark. 277 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:24.360 Clark even says that in the episode, it's like I 278 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.279 always thought they were monsters, which is crazy, but I 279 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.360 understand why he because we know Jorell and Laura from 280 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.480 other Superman things from his perspective, of. 281 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:32.879 Course, you yeah, yeah. 282 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:34.600 But speaking of that, so, I thought it was really 283 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.759 clever what they did was instead of like a real flashback, right, 284 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.639 they made it like a memory. Yes, and they actually 285 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:41.799 did some research of like what memories were children. That's 286 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.039 why it's all like swirls and pink and and it 287 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:48.480 saves them a lot of budget, but it makes sense psychologically. Yes. 288 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.159 Now, can we geek for a second, and like, is 289 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.919 they close up on like the hands of Jerell and 290 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.480 Laura as they're pulling away from the ship and she's 291 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.600 got that gold ring on it. Is that not like 292 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.559 a flame bird or night wing reference to like old 293 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:05.720 krypton comics. 294 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.399 It could be, It might be, but the look of 295 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.080 this scene was influenced by the Birthright comics by Mark 296 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.240 Wade at the time, and it's almost like a frame 297 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.000 for frame, pretty much like the clothes they're wearing, the 298 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.000 rings on their hands. Interesting though, part of the rules 299 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.000 of Smallville at the time is you can't show other Kryptonians, 300 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:23.840 so they got around this by just showing. 301 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:24.720 Hands and the. 302 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:26.759 Keys. 303 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.639 The key, the key, the. 304 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:31.480 Chef's. 305 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:34.960 This episode is so full of little continuity bits, right, 306 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.960 like the key of the ship, the ship, the lights 307 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.799 come on when he turns on. Other things too, like 308 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.840 when Clarke is worried about likes of the beginning, they 309 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:45.639 bring out the continuity right. He's like, well, when I 310 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.480 found you out on the Root eight last year, I 311 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:53.080 questioned your sanity and Rinel pulls out the tape from 312 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.879 from Asylum. I know your secret. I'm like this somebody 313 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.000 has been watching this season and paid attention. 314 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.120 Yeah, anyway, Yeah, it was there's like how often have 315 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.320 you watched that tape? 316 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.720 Not to bring another fandom into this, but it I 317 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.320 think there is honestly really something to be said when 318 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:13.600 the show's creator writes and directs the episode. Yes, yeah, 319 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.720 because I just know in this with Glee, I just 320 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.960 remember I wrote a paper on Glee in college and 321 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.799 I was I had to like cite all the episodes 322 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.799 I referenced. I remember, I was like, all the good episodes, 323 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:28.200 or in my opinion, the best episodes of the series 324 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:31.559 were all written and or directed by Ryan Murphy, and 325 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.120 then like everything gets trashy and it's like not Ryan. 326 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.080 So I feel like I just but it's I feel 327 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:39.720 like that's the same thing with this, Like it's no 328 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.080 one is going to have more care than one of 329 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:44.320 the co creators of the show. 330 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:45.240 Totally. 331 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:47.919 Yeah, that's a really good point you're bringing out. It's 332 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.639 like when you bring in something like Breaking Back, it's 333 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:54.440 like that Vince Gilligan that he's with the show from 334 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.080 start to finish and he directs several key episodes, you 335 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.240 see that vision carried out throughout it. 336 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:00.399 And with Small Bill. 337 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.279 It's like, this is clearly like this whole episode is 338 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:06.440 the DNA of early small film. 339 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.200 It makes me very sad that we lose these guys 340 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.720 after season seven, you know, yeah, and then their involvement 341 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:14.960 goes away so much because, like you look at something 342 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:19.000 like like all those shows or Ron Moore or Whedon 343 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:21.599 or whoever, and it's just like when when the creator 344 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.599 sticks with it, they get to keep mining these things 345 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.480 throughout the seasons and then into a hopefully satisfying finale. 346 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:34.039 I was surprised that Miller never directed and wrote anything again. 347 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.480 He was like this, Oh no, I made it perfect. 348 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.160 I can't do. 349 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:42.920 Exactly just walking away. 350 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:43.839 I have to stop. 351 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.440 Yeah, oh, there there's always that, like on that direct 352 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.640 directing on the Companion book when wherever books are sold, 353 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.400 as you say, John Glover says, there is like a 354 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.000 some sort of disagreement on the first day of shooting 355 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.640 with him and Miles Miller, and then he wanted to 356 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.039 go one way, Miles wanted to go another, and then 357 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.799 he went Miles his way, and he instantly knew Miles's 358 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.079 way was the way to do it. And I've he 359 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.680 never specifies what it was, but I'm just always super 360 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.200 curious what that could have been. 361 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.079 There are so many distinct moments from him in this 362 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.160 episode hard to even imagine. 363 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.519 Yes, with some of these creators, like you just kind 364 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:21.440 of kind of have to trust their knowledge and their 365 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:24.359 insight because a lot of the times it's the correct one. 366 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.240 Well, it was very abitious of him to write and 367 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.759 direct this episode totally. 368 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.240 I just looked it up and I think technically it 369 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.200 is co written by Alfred and Miles and then direct 370 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.279 it by Miles, So I don't want to not give 371 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:37.240 Alfred his due. 372 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.119 I think this definitely gave them like confidence to kind 373 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.279 of like do their own thing once they left, because like, 374 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.480 did any of you guys watch Into the bad Lands. 375 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.640 No, but I hear it's pretty good. 376 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.200 It's really good. There's lots of kind of nods to 377 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:51.799 Small but like the style is very similar in a 378 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.160 lot of ways. And the funny thing I told Zach 379 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:55.880 this like several times, like when I was watching the show, 380 00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:59.160 but like they love the use of the octagon as 381 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.160 a shape for stuff, so it's all over the place 382 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:02.119 just like it is. 383 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:04.599 I just would never be able. 384 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:10.359 To doctor Gardner right continuity again. 385 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.839 Yeah, and they mentioned past Freaks of the Week. I 386 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.240 was like, what show am I watching? 387 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.720 Yeah, this is crazy. This is what small buls should 388 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.119 have been. This is like literally like I cannot poke 389 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.240 holes in this like I always uly do for fun, 390 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.720 Like it's so tightly written. 391 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.400 Oh, there's nothing wrong with this episode. 392 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.079 No, now that there's like one, now that we're a 393 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.880 little lighter, I'm like everyone knew Julian was gonna die 394 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:39.279 because his name started with J right, like. 395 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.640 You don't belong here, you can't sit with us. 396 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:42.279 He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna be a long lasting 397 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:46.519 thing because he didn't have an l. It's funny, one 398 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:48.119 of these things is not like the other. 399 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.039 Well, hey, Lex's name isn't Lex either, I mean it's Alexander. 400 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.920 Okay, what do they come and call him? Lean? 401 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.240