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<v Speaker 1>Her son died under her care. You know, she was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be watching her son and he was out

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<v Speaker 1>playing and fell into a canal and died. And ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>she blamed herself for that for years, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>through an empathetic witness that she was able to begin to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reassign the meeting. Ultimately, she had gotten all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of condolence letters, and you know, someone had told

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<v Speaker 1>her that something similar had happened. You know, she got

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of letters, and the night before she was

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<v Speaker 1>the night she was going to kill herself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she read this letter.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a stack of condolence letters, and she read

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<v Speaker 1>this one from a lady who had a similar situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this lady I think named Teresa, who she

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<v Speaker 1>never actually was able to get back in contact with,

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<v Speaker 1>but tried many times. This lady named Teresa, who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>her letter. She was with her six year old daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>went inside for a little bit to like grab the

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<v Speaker 1>phone or something, came back out, and her daughter had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten hit by a car and died during the two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes she was inside.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what Teresa had sent to Melissa.

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<v Speaker 1>In the letter was that look like you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>bad parent, like, you didn't try to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a freak accident. Teresa was able to say

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<v Speaker 1>some things in that letter that helped Melissa to actually

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<v Speaker 1>like have hope again. And it really was that breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>similar to I think what I had, where it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like I think you blame yourself a lot for something,

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<v Speaker 1>or you just lose hope in something that you initially wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that leads you to just kind of losing hope.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what you need is some form of

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<v Speaker 1>like a shred of hope. And I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what she got, and so I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she was kind of giving up on herself. I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of giving on myself, but I think you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to. I mean, in the case of her

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<v Speaker 1>and even me, a lot of it was just that

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<v Speaker 1>an external party came and just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually like saved space or just tried something.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think for someone who more practically is in

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<v Speaker 1>a dark place and just wants to get out, I

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<v Speaker 1>think actually seeking help. It could be a friend, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a therapist, it could be an old high

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<v Speaker 1>school coach, it could be an old church leader, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I think if you just go up and

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<v Speaker 1>just talk to someone and just literally open up and

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<v Speaker 1>just be flat out honest.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that in.

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<v Speaker 1>General, complete honesty and transparency. There's a concept in alcoholics

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous that you're as sick as your secrets. That has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with traumas just burying things, holding

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<v Speaker 1>things in, and so I think from like a human

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<v Speaker 1>growth perspective, the moment you just begin opening up about

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<v Speaker 1>where you're at, how you're feeling, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>writing things in a journal. Once you have it out,

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually start to look at it from a

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<v Speaker 1>different perspective, and then you can start reshaping the meaning

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and maybe you can even get the help

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<v Speaker 1>of smart people to help you start rethinking it and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe looking at it from a more of a hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>perspective that you're not a bad person, you're not a loser,

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<v Speaker 1>that these are crazy things that happen, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>do something different about it. You can look at it differently,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately your life still has purpose and meaning and

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<v Speaker 1>you can still do something with it. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>trauma is pretty misunderstood. Most people think that trauma is

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<v Speaker 1>just so focused on the past. In my opinion, it's

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<v Speaker 1>what actually trauma does to your future, because from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>your view of your own future is the greatest determinant

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<v Speaker 1>in who you are. Your view of your future is

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<v Speaker 1>what impacts you. Put A lot of the research on

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<v Speaker 1>trauma shows that it shatters your imagination towards your future

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<v Speaker 1>and your hope in that future, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's, you know, the crucial thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when I began kind of moving forward, I

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<v Speaker 1>began to rethink my future and start to actually commit

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<v Speaker 1>back to the idea that I could have a future.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what ultimately led me to having those

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<v Speaker 1>types of conversations and even being willing to go through

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<v Speaker 1>that awkwardness or going through that change processes because I

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<v Speaker 1>now saw a future that I actually was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want this. I believe that I can actually be something more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say the past doesn't define the future for

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<v Speaker 1>two reasons. One is because the past, from your perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>at least from a psychology perspective, is just a meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Memory is always changing, It's always flexible, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>version of your past that you have right now is

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<v Speaker 1>probably different from the version of the past you had

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<v Speaker 1>three or four years ago. Even thinking about the same events,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the past is really just a story, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a meaning. Yeather were objective events that occurred, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have no ability to actually know what those objective

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<v Speaker 1>events were, because, as you know, from a psychology perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>is all we can see is to our perspective, is

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<v Speaker 1>all we can see is to our subjective lens. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when you look, you know, anytime you learn something new,

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<v Speaker 1>you read a book, you have a new experience that

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<v Speaker 1>probably informs your view of everything else. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>change a part, you change the whole, And so kind

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<v Speaker 1>of breaking memory down in a really simple way, your

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<v Speaker 1>memory is always constructed in the present.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who I am right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about myself as an eleven year old boy

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<v Speaker 1>with my parents getting divorced and my father becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>drug addict. My view of that and the meaning I

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<v Speaker 1>assigned to it, and even all of the context around

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<v Speaker 1>those memories is completely painted by where I'm at right

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<v Speaker 1>now as a person. The fact that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>great relationship with my dad, the fact that I have

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<v Speaker 1>all this knowledge in psychology, I've got five kids, like

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<v Speaker 1>all of that reshapes how I look at and interpret

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<v Speaker 1>my past. One challenge that people have is they're not

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<v Speaker 1>actively approaching their past as a flexible entity, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to kind of relay the same story over

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<v Speaker 1>and over, which doesn't necessarily help. But so one reason

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<v Speaker 1>why the past is flexible is because it's simply just

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<v Speaker 1>a meaning. It's a story, and your memory is always

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<v Speaker 1>changing anyways, and your memory is always constructed in the present.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brent's life, he's one of my favorite psychologists.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote a book called Time and Psychological Explanation Freaking

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Dive. You would actually love it because I know

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<v Speaker 1>you like diving deep into like thick stuff. But he

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<v Speaker 1>basically says that, you know, a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>that the past is causing the present, but the reality

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<v Speaker 1>from a memory perspective is that the present is causing

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of the past. Wherever you're at in the present,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's determining how you view your past. And so

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<v Speaker 1>if you learn, if you grow, if you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have achievements, if you just develop healthy relationships, it will

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<v Speaker 1>alter the meaning in the view you have towards your past.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's something you should seek in my opinion, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're if you're still viewing the past and former relationships

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<v Speaker 1>and former experiences the same way you did four or

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago. That says more about who you are

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<v Speaker 1>right now than it says about your past. It says

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not learning, you're not gaining perspective, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>seeking greater context, you're not asking hard questions. And so

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<v Speaker 1>for me, as an example, I had to go and

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<v Speaker 1>ask my dad, Dad, tell me all about your perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of when you were a drug addict and when me

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<v Speaker 1>and my brothers left you, Like, tell me what that

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<v Speaker 1>was like. Tell me why you went and had those experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me why you had made those decisions. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what it felt like coming to mom's house and us

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<v Speaker 1>slamming the door on your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I that's seeking greater contexte.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously the more context you have towards someone, you

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<v Speaker 1>have greater empathy and compassion. And so hearing his story,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can kind of see what. I obviously

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't justify him doing it, but I can see to

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<v Speaker 1>some reason why he did that. So that's one reason

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<v Speaker 1>why the past is flexible, and we can obviously go

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<v Speaker 1>into the mechanics of how to do that. But the

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<v Speaker 1>second reason is because the past isn't what ultimately drives you,

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<v Speaker 1>it is your future. So there's a quote from Dan Sulvan,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my good buddies, and he says that the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to make your present better is by making

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<v Speaker 1>your future bigger, which is essentially a statement of perspection.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that one thing that's really important to

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<v Speaker 1>realize is that your view of your own future is

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<v Speaker 1>determined by your current level of awareness and understanding. You know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what futures I imagine are different from the futures I

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<v Speaker 1>would have imagined three or four years ago because I

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm a different person.

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<v Speaker 2>I see the world differently.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a lot of experiences, I've got knowledge I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have them in a context, and so my view,

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<v Speaker 1>even to imagine or come up with various future scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>is fundamentally different than my former self, and my future

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<v Speaker 1>self will be in the same boat. My future self

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<v Speaker 1>will imagine different futures than my current self has because

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<v Speaker 1>my future self has had experiences and knowledge and.

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<v Speaker 2>Awareness that I just don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you know, based on where you're currently

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<v Speaker 1>at as a person, what do you value most? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what is a future worth having? What are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you value that would ultimately be worth spending your time on.

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<v Speaker 1>A big aspect of that is just thinking about your

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<v Speaker 1>future identity, your future self. I think that that's generally

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<v Speaker 1>the place to start is who do you want to be?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you want your circumstances to be, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be doing? What do you value? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>where do you want to be in the future. I

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<v Speaker 1>think just imagining where you want to be, who you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be, and what you want to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>that's hopefully valuable, that's worth working towards or worth creating.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's the first step is ultimately thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about your future self, the person you want to be,

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<v Speaker 1>the situation you want to have, and ultimately what you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be doing that you can't do at this

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<v Speaker 1>present moment for one reason or another. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think thinking about what's your next step. Like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>what's the thing you want most right now? So like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're someone who's single that really wants to be married, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what you know, what is the ultimate thing you want

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<v Speaker 1>right now that would reflect your future self at a

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<v Speaker 1>much higher level than you're at right now. So like

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<v Speaker 1>for me, as an example, when I was in undergrad

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<v Speaker 1>and I was saying psychology, Like my next level of

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<v Speaker 1>future self was me as a PhD student really diving

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<v Speaker 1>into psychology once I got there, like I really really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a professional author, and so like I

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<v Speaker 1>think from a more practical standpoint, like what is the

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<v Speaker 1>next level future self that like really excites.

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<v Speaker 2>You, you know, like what's you know?

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<v Speaker 1>It could be getting married, or could be starting that

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<v Speaker 1>business or having your business be successful, or could be

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<v Speaker 1>getting that book deal, could be being an elite shape

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<v Speaker 1>so that you're doing like those iron Mans. Whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is you want, Like, what is that next version of

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<v Speaker 1>you that's the thing that you really really want? And

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<v Speaker 1>then ultimately you can create a process to getting to there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think just thinking about what's you at that

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<v Speaker 1>next step, which is obviously maybe a quantum leap or

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<v Speaker 1>a next level up of your current stuff and what

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<v Speaker 1>you really want. The gap in the game is basically

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that if you're always measuring yourself against your ideal,

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<v Speaker 1>you're always going to feel this gap between you and

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, whatever your ideal is, and that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to make you feel unhappy. Whereas if you measure yourself

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<v Speaker 1>against your former self, where you were before, you'll see progress,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. There's a quote from Ernest Hemingway and Ernest Hemingway,

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<v Speaker 1>the author the novelist, said that nobility is not about

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<v Speaker 1>being superior to your fellow man. True nobility is about

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<v Speaker 1>being superior to your former self. So as an example,

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<v Speaker 1>I have some really good friends of mine. They're in

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<v Speaker 1>and they've had serious financial issues during COVID where he's

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<v Speaker 1>like lost his job, She's gone through like this identity crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're kind of freaked out because they've got kids,

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what the heck do we do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I just asked them, you know, look at where

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<v Speaker 1>you were like three or four months ago, Like, have

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<v Speaker 1>you made any progress in the last four months towards

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<v Speaker 1>getting yourself into a better financial situation? Is your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with each other better? Like where are you at versus

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<v Speaker 1>your where you were four months ago? They're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a much better situation, you know, like we've

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<v Speaker 1>made big progress.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's reflecting on.

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<v Speaker 1>The gain of where you were versus where you're at

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and that gives you a little sense of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>And a movement, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that that's I think it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>practice wherever you're at, whether you've made big success or

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're small, is to actually like look at the

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<v Speaker 1>progress that you've actually made. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>really helps you to feel like it actually increases your hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's looking at the good, focusing on the good,

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, what can you do now because as of

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