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Speaker 4: Old Spirit in im stop control. Rather saw that and

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now she's a he. She saw her. She can't leader,

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Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Paranormal Portal podcast. I'm

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your host friend Thomas, and I hope you're having a

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great evening and thanks so much for checking out the show.

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Is it's really exciting to be doing the podcast now

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and it's great to have this opportunity to meet more

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of the listeners. I really love the opportunity to come

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out and talk about all things paranormal. To me, it's

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an incredibly powerful passion something I've been doing for three

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years now and it's a real honor to talk about

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these things because I think, you know, not only having

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a show, of course, but I truly am completely passionate

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about this subject matter because, as I've stated before, I

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think that the paranormal is the breadcrumbs to demonstration of

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a dynamic and fluid reality that surrounds us. So I

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really have a lot of fun doing it. And one

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of my favorite parts of the show is when you

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guys reach out, when you guys send in your stories,

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send in your experience, or send in your thoughts, and

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we can certainly share those on the earth at least

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have those discussions because the more that people share, the

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more that is brought to the table, the more robust

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the discussion becomes. And so let's say, it's great to

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hear what's going on in your guys' minds, what have

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you experienced, what have you seen? And for me personally,

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when I've read these stories, and I've been doing the

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show for three years, but as the stories have come in,

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I think with every story, I learned something new every time.

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because I I don't believe there are experts in the

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paranormal field. It's just not a subject matter that lends

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itself to study. So but I have so many questions

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in my head, and of course, you know, I research

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and I look, and I explore, and I research and

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research and research. But there comes a point where you know,

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you kind of hit a wall. But then somebody will

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write in a story that includes some really cool observation

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that I'd never heard before, and it really connects a

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lot of dots in my head. I mean, it really

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helps me to get a different viewpoint on the phenomenon.

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another angle to look at it in order to connect

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the dots. So I'd love for you guys to send

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in your stories and your experiences, and you can certainly

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do that by emailing Paranormal Portal Radio at gmail dot com.

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So please do and let me know in the narrative

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whether or not you want to be named, you want

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to use your name, or if you want to use

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a different name, or if you'd just rather be anonymous.

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great opportunity to enhance the discussion on the portal. So anyway, tonight,

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I thought we'd talk about poltergeists. Now, this is a

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subject that's been around for.

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a German word that means noisy ghost or noisy noisy spirit,

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and so automatically by the name, you know, it denotes

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a very active haunt There seems to be a little

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bit of a dichotomy in the whole explanation of the

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phenomena though, in that there are some camps that believe

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that they are indeed separate entities that may, for whatever reasons,

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come into a place or attached to a person and

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you know, raise havoc. They are very active hauntings. They

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include you know, objects moving and lots of physical phenomena.

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through traumatic experience or high stress or you know, whatever

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kind of psychological triggers that may have activated this outward

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manifestation of spiritual energy. I find that really interesting. And

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perhaps you know that there is correlation between poultrgeist generally

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being attached or being active around a specific person, and

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generally it seems that that tends to be a pubescent

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the phenomenon because of course, you know, I haven't experienced

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nobody can know for sure, because so far, nobody's interview

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to poltergeist that I know of.

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don't like to be interviewed. But whatever the case, these

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manifestations are incredibly powerful, they are incredibly active, and usually

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and whatever it is has has basically dissipated for whatever reason. Now,

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triggers that we're giving this entity a reality have worked

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themselves out. Then maybe they've maybe that intense of a

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the energy required to do it. And I don't know,

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can't really talk about a phenomena if you don't really

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understand the phenomena. So, but I think that there's there's

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an incredible amount of alleged reports of Poultergeist activity. Now,

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the term poulter Geist really gets incredibly overused. Many people

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like to identify any kind of activity in a haunting,

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as far as physical activity, as being perhaps a poltergeist.

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the paranormal circles. That it's just a convenient label, and

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of follows the same the same kind of phenomena as demons,

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in that if anything negative happens it's a demon, you know,

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and I don't think that that's accurate at all. You know,

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for hauntings, if they are indeed a separate entity, then

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perhaps they have a reason for doing what they're doing.

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negative kind of thing, it doesn't denote a demon. And

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excuse me how to take a drink there, But that

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think it does. I think that physical manifestations and hauntings

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you know, cause people a lot of pause because you know,

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when your furniture is moving, that's just not a normal thing.

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be absolutely freaked out and you know, want to give

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it a profound label. But there's no indication that those

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labels get thrown around. I think that they they happen,

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you know, they happen probably one percent of the time

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of all hauntings that are reported, and generally.

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Speaker 2: If they're reported at all. You know, I'm speaking in.

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Speaker 5: In generalities, I guess, because I can't know for sure.

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through about poultrygeist unless they are again just the misuse

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indeed poltergeist hauntings, but I tend to believe that they're

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probably not. In most cases, I just believe that they're

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just you know, an upset spirit.

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that chicken wallpaper, that farmland wallpaper doesn't really fit my

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decorating style, and so I'm going to tear out the wallpaper.

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this wall and you know, so you start redecorating, you

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start renovating a home. Well, in most cases hauntings or

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human beings at one time, and so they are in

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that location because they probably have some sort of what's

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or that location that was maybe their home, and they

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when you tear it down, that to them, being as

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in the property, may take great offense at that. So

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during renovations, it's because it's an intelligent haunt that sees

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what you're doing and it goes, hey, my kid and

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your furniture's moving and your keys are lost, and you know,

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dishes are flying out of the cupboard and stuff. But

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that doesn't necessarily mean it's a poulter geist, because by definition,

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poltergeist are never a human entity. They may be a

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human projection as stated before, but they may not be

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human at all. They might be something else, and so

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the same rules wouldn't apply in those cases. I don't think.

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I think that it's most probably some form of manifestation

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take a few moments to discuss a few theories that

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are going on of what these things may be. So

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there's a few theories of poltergeise out there, and these

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are you know, after you know if they're if they're

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actually professionally researched or investigated normally, there's some some researchers

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believe there's natural explanations, and in reading this article from

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psychicscience dot org, they say number one is natural explanations.

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In some cases, phenomena may be explained as a misinterpretation

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of natural events. For example, noises in the walls or

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cavities of a house may be caused by birds or rodents.

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airlocks in plumbing, or earth tremors. Puddles and flooding may

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be the result of leakages or condensation. Estimates suggest, however,

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that natural artifacts account for only a small percentage of

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reported poltergeist phenomena, less than two percent, So some of

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it can maybe be explained away with really mundane explanation.

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to latch onto the idea of of ghosts and spirits

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and things like that, but sometimes that just doesn't fit,

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and sometimes it's it can be explained as just a

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naturally occurring event of some form or another. So you know,

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outright without at least a pretty reasonable amount of investigation.

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and it says traditional systems of belief usually assume that

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poultrygeist phenomena are caused by mischievous or malevolent spirits, ghosts,

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or demons. In some cases, these spiritual entities are believed

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to possess the victim the poultrygeist agent, and poultrygeist outbreaks

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or religious remedies involving ritual prayer or exorcism. It goes

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release from an earth bound state. The spiritualist approach to poltergeist,

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departed soul by holding a mediumistic seance. In these seances,

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in writing, or by using a weigi aboard. Interestingly, people

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poltergeists activity in childhood. Now, that's an interesting correlation there,

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and perhaps that does lend some credit ability to the

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idea that it's a manifestation of a person, a person

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that may be incredibly spiritually gifted or at least moderately

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spiritually gifted, that that may be an early manifestation of

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lived then, and a lot of these abilities may manifest

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in puberty. Now, another explanation that they go into here

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parent ability of some individuals to paranormally affect physical processes

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using mental powers. Because poultrygeist phenomena tend to focus around

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the poultrygeist agent, it is suggested that they are caused

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by spontaneous eruptions of the agent's latent psychokinetic powers. As

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poultrygeis outbreaks are usually associated with high levels of emotional stress,

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psychokinetic energies until they eventually explode in the form of

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poultrgeist activity. It has been suggested that certain environments factors

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to Poultrgeist manifestations. In particular, research indicates an association with

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electromagnetic fields, the proximity of high voltage power lines, and

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the geomagnetic disturbances such as caused by solar activity. Now,

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here is. Psychological or psychiatric factors seem to play an

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important role in made the majorit of poltrgeist cases, often

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contributing to the stress experienced by the agents. Most poultrygeist

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identifiable emotional or interpersonal crisis. In some cases, the Poultrgezt

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or disassociaciative that was a mouthful disassociative condition. Multiple personalities

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has also been suggested as a factor in certain cases. Psychological, psychiatric,

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or psychosocial rather factors clearly play an important role in

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Poltrgezt manifestations. They may help and to explain what triggers

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and maintains an outbreak, and they may also suggest a

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basis for motivation for trickery, but they cannot account for

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the genuinely paranormal activity. If any elements of a poltergeist

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case are presumed to be paranormal. A purely psychological or

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psychiatric interpretation must be supplemented by the perspective that recognizes

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the paranormality of the phenomena. I love reading these scientific

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journal kind of things because it's like, oh my god,

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could you put more syllables in that word? But I

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think I got through it okay, all things considered. So

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and again they are just theories.

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but all of these factors can come to play, and

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the person who has the most latent psychokinetic power and

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utilize that ability through oppression or possession to some degree

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to manifest into the world. You know that certainly maybe

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a reasonable explanation and maybe a tie into several of

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these factors into what could be going on. But again

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it's speculative on my part. I can't be sure, but

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I think it's incredibly interesting. So there's a lot more

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in this paper about well not a lot more, but

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there's some more about investigating and evaluating poltergezs cases. I'm

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not going to read that for you because I think

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it would be incredibly dry and boring, but I think

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it's interesting all the same. There's a lot of really cool,

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famous cases of poltergeiste activity that are out there, and

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after we go to our break in just a few minutes,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I know several of these you guys

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would have heard of. They are are pretty.

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so and they've been the focus of several different productions.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to those in a little bit. Though.

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Speaker 5: What else I wanted to go over is basically a

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definition of what a poltergeist is. And maybe I should

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have started with this, but this is coming from ThoughtCo

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dot com, And as I said before, I mean, we

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went into it a little bit on the front end.

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But those are my thoughts, my words, based upon what

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I'd read, and I figured it'd be good to pull

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up an article here and give you some probably more

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organized thoughts than what I'm capable of.

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Speaker 2: So all right, here we go.

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Speaker 5: Well, we'll get into Yeah, I think we should be

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able to get through this before the break. Maybe we'll

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just do our break now and then I'll get into

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this in those famous cases on the other side. But again,

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you know, the polder Gaste activity I think is really rare.

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when it does, it should be pretty easy to differentiate

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from a normal haunting just due to the activity involved.

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very physical manifestations to them. A normal haunt can just

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be cold spots, it could be you know, the footsteps

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in the hall, it could be embodied voices, and it

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could be you know, apparitions, but it may or may

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not involve a lot of physical manifestation as far as

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things moving, things going around. Usually it's more of a

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presence in a traditional haunt. Now Poultergeist type of haunting

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is much more physical. And everybody or most everybody has

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seen the movie Poltergeist, and it was a fantastic, fantastic movie,

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in fact, one of my favorites. But in that movie

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was demonstrated some way over the top physical manifestations that

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were dramatized in the movie. But it does give you

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at least an idea of what we would normally expect

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to see in the cases that involve actual poltergeist activity.

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So even though it's very sensationalized and it's, you know,

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a Hollywood version, so you got to take that with

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a grain of salt, But these kind of things are

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reported in actual cases, maybe not quite as dramatically, but

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not real far from that either. In some cases, like

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the stacking chairs and stuff that happens in the kitchen,

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that kind of activity has been reported many times. And

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I think there's if your furniture is stacking itself, you

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might have a poultergeist. If you just got a cup

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moving or something, you probably just haunted, you know. So

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I don't know if that helps clear it up any

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but I think it's pretty good food for thoughts. So

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we're going to take our break right now, ladies and gentlemen,

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So don't go away, and we'll get into some of

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the famous haunts. Famous haunts. Did I say famous or famous?

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I meant to say famous haunts dealing with poultergeist And

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we'll talk about what is a poltergeist right on the

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other side, So don't go away, everybody, all right, and

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we are back. I am still Brent Thomas. You are

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still listening to the Paranormal Portal podcast, and we are

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still underway discussing the amazing phenomena referred to as poultergeist again.

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Poultergeist is a term that's derived from German words which

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mean noisy ghost. And if you're getting a poltergeist, you

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definitely got a noisy ghost. They are quite anxious and

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a lot a lot of activity going on with those.

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But let's get into this. So before the break, I

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was telling you about an article that I pulled up

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from thoughtcode dot com that talks about what is a poltergeist.

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So I want to read a few excerpts from this

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for you, just to give you an idea of how

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they define what a poultrygeist is. So the first one

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is RSPK recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis. Says Role called it recurrent

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spontaneous psychokinesis or RSPK, and found that the paranormal activity

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could almost always be traced to a person clinically labeled

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an agent. So the person that's attached to is called

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an agent. As we heard in that last article that

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we read before the break. This agent, although a victim

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of the puzzling and sometimes frightening activity is unaware that

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he or she as actually the cause of it, but

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some mechanism that still is not understood, or by some mechanism, rather,

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the activity arises out of the unconscious or some subconscious

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of the individual in response to emotional stress or trauma.

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So little is really known about the human brain and mind,

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But somehow the psychological stress suffered by this agent produce

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effects in the surrounding physical world, pounding on the walls

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of a house, a book flying off a shelf, glowing

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orbs zipping around a room, heavy furniture sliding across the floor,

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perhaps even audible voices. In some rare cases, the manifestations

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can turn violent, producing scratches on the skin, shoves and slaps.

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So so powerful is the unconscious mind under stress? You know,

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a whole lot of things into one one heading here,

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because I don't think that disembodied voices and scratches are

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necessarily a sign of a poultergeist. They can be, as

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they can physically attack people, but generally I would probably

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relate those kind of things to more of a negative haunt,

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whether it be demon or something something else just maliciously attacking.

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But I don't think that scratches and disembodied voices necessarily

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a qualify as at least not exclusively qualify as a poltergeist.

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it's not either one or the other. It may take

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a while to determine what kind of haunting is going on,

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because you know, the poultergeist can have physical scratching, as

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can demonic oppression or presence, and as can a negative haunt.

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So all three of those could be determined to be

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candidates for the type of haunting based upon just that phenomenas.

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But it's all the other factors that you have to

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take into consideration to come to the conclusion. So one

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possible and famous historical case is that of the Bell

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Witch from the early nineteenth century. This was the case

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of a severe poltergeist phenomena that's centered around young Betsy Bell.

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The activity then attributed to a witch through things around

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the Bell home, move furniture, punched and slapped the children.

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According to eyewitnesses, Betsy Bell appears to have been the

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agent of this instant. Now that may or may not be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's see the bell, which one to me sounds more

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sounds more demonic. But again, I'm not an expert. I'm

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just an enthusiast, So they may be right, I may

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be wrong. But uh, it's kind of curious that they

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identified that. But now it says how common are poultergeists.

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Poultergeist agents are very often adolescents, but not always. It

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seems true that some adolescents under the combined stress of

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growing up in hormonal changes occurring during puberty can produce

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poltergeist activity, but adults under stress can be agents as well,

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especially perhaps if they have unresolved stresses from childhood. It

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is unknown how common Poultergeist activity is. Certainly remarkable cases

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in which household agents are tossed about there with relative

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are are tossed about are relatively rare. Sorry, but those

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are the cases that get the attention and are documented

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simply because they are remarkable, especially if the activity persists

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over many days.

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Speaker 2: Weeks, or months.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of other cases that occur only once

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or on rare occasions. So the next part of this

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article talks about documented cases of Poltergeist.

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Speaker 2: But that's what we're going to get to next. You know, it's.

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Speaker 5: I think they do a pretty good job here, but

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a lot of times these articles kind of lump a

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lot of information into convenient headings and may not be

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the best resources to actually identify the phenomena and kind

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of nail it down what it is. But again, I

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just have to divert to my understanding of it, because

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that's what makes it to me is that, you know,

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they are very active, they're very powerful, but normally they're

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very short lived. So now, ladies and gentlemen actually on

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the what was it The Dead Files a few times

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throughout the course of watching that show, and I like

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that show. I think that Amy Ellen and Steve Deschave

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do a great job. I think she's a very talented

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physical medium. And it's really if the show is not

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really really heavily edited, which it very well may be,

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I just don't know for sure, but if it's to

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be taken at its presented value, then she's really pretty

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dead on. And she has identified several times that there

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are in certain cases some of the negative things going on.

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There are people at the heart of it that live

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in the house which to me suggests a Poultery guist

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kind of thing. And she's said as much on a

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few episodes as well. And if you haven't watch The

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Dead Files, I think it's a pretty good show, just

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to give you an idea of some of the strange, strange,

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strange things that go on. And I'm not chuckling because

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it's funny. I'm chuckling because I'm thinking, as I was

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saying that, how many times she's talked about spirits being

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stuck in walls and stuff. And I'm like, my god,

471
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,519
could you imagine that you're in your afterlife and this

472
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:31,000
is your experiences that you're stuck in a freaking wall. Oh,

473
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,519
that's got to be a fresh kind of hell. That's

474
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:38,639
all I'm gonna say. So this is the famous poultrygeist cases,

475
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,199
and this just goes over three of them, but the

476
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,280
first one that they list here is the Thornton Heath Poultergeist.

477
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,400
In the nineteen seventies in Thornton Heath, England, a family

478
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:57,400
was tormented by poultergeist phenomena that started one August night

479
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840
when they were awoken in the middle of the night

480
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,039
by a blaring bedside radio that had somehow turned itself

481
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:10,760
on turned to a foreign language station. So it turned

482
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,199
on and turned to a different language station. So this

483
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,519
obviously in England. Yeah, so they'd pick up European stations

484
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:19,119
there then too.

485
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,199
Speaker 2: Wow.

486
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: This was the beginning of a string of events that

487
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:28,519
lasted nearly four years. A lampshade repeatedly was knocked to

488
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,760
the floor by unaided hands during the Christmas season of

489
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,119
nineteen seventy two, an ornament was buried was hurled rather

490
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:43,519
across the room, smashing into the husband's forehead. Wow, and

491
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:51,199
as he flopped into an armchair, reports Haunted Croydon. Haunted Croydon.

492
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,000
I don't know if that's a group or what, but

493
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480
the Christmas tree began to shake violently. Come the new year.

494
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,840
There were footsteps in the bedroom when there was no

495
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,679
one there, and one night the couple's son awoke to

496
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,760
find a man in old fashioned dress staring threateningly at him.

497
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,880
The family's fear grew when as they entertained friends one night,

498
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,719
there was a loud knocking on the front door. The

499
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,039
living room door was then flung open and all the

500
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:28,880
houses lights came on. Having the house blessed failed to

501
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,480
rid the house of the phenomena, objects flew through the air,

502
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,119
loud noises were heard, and the family would sometimes hear

503
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:41,119
a noise which suggested some large piece of furniture had

504
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,480
crashed to the floor. When they went to investigate, nothing

505
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,119
would be disturbed, so it was just an auditory phenomenon

506
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,519
that it wasn't actually physical. It was maybe perhaps some

507
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:59,280
kind of hallucinatory phenomena, which is terrible enough, but you

508
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,400
know what I mean. A medium was consulted and she

509
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:06,280
told the family that the house was haunted by a

510
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:11,400
form a farmer rather of the name of Chatterton, who

511
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,719
considered the family trespassers on his property. An investigation bore

512
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,199
out the fact that Chatterton had indeed lived at the

513
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,559
house in the mid eighteenth century. Chatterton's wife now joined

514
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:31,199
in causing the mayhem, and often the tenant's wife would

515
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,320
be followed up the stairs at night by an elderly,

516
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,280
gray haired woman wearing a pinafore and with her hair

517
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,159
tied back in a bun. If looked at, she would

518
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:48,079
disappear back into the shadows. The family even reported seeing

519
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:53,320
the farmer appear on the television screens wearing a black jacket,

520
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:59,480
a wide with wide pointed lapels, high necked shirt, and

521
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,840
black cravat. After the family moved out of the house,

522
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:09,119
the poulter Geist activity ceased and none have been reported

523
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:14,039
by subsequent residents. So in this case, it was tied

524
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:19,440
to a family. Now, in most of this story just

525
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:25,280
sounds like a traditional haunt. The manifestations and stuff don't

526
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,039
to me, they don't tie in with the Poultergeist thing,

527
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:33,639
because as far as I have ever heard normally, I've

528
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:37,480
never run across stories that I believe were poltergeists where

529
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,599
there was actually a physical manifestation of some form. And

530
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,079
I might be very badly mistaken in making and making

531
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:51,880
that statement, but I'm only sharing with you what I've researched. Generally,

532
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,800
they are ghostly phenomena with lots of physical activity, But

533
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:05,079
I've never heard before this that there was a represented

534
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,159
figure that appeared that seemed to be the manifestation of

535
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,840
the phenomena. So in this case, it sounds like a

536
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,239
haunting that acted in some ways like a Poultrygeist activity.

537
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,800
But to me, that just doesn't seem like a Poultergeist

538
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,519
haunting in the traditional sense. So the next one is

539
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,800
one that I'm sure many many many people have heard about.

540
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,320
It's one that I've heard about many many times, and

541
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,639
it's called the Enfield poultrygeist case. Now, this one is

542
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,280
really famous and was very closely investigated by a really

543
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,519
well known parapsychologist who not only helped out the family

544
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,199
but still remains in contact with the family unless he's

545
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,519
diseased now, but I don't think he is. But this

546
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,920
one is another English ghost. This one is in Enfield,

547
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,679
North London. It made headlines in nineteen seventy seven. The

548
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:15,280
strange activity seemed to center around the daughter of Peggy Harper,

549
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,039
a divorcee in her mid forties. Again, it started on

550
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,360
an August night, late at night. An urban ghost story

551
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:29,440
relates Janet age eleven and her brother Pete age ten,

552
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:33,400
complained that their beds were jolting up and down and

553
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,239
going all funny. As soon as Miss Harper got into

554
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,880
the room, the movement stopped. As far as she was concerned,

555
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,119
her kids were just making it all up. But things

556
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,519
got progressively more bizarre from there. Shuffling noises and knocks

557
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,320
on the wall were followed by a heavy chest of

558
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,639
drawers sliding by itself across the floor. Miss Harper promptly

559
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,159
got her children out of the house and saw the

560
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,880
assistant of a neighbor. The neighbors searched the house and

561
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,519
garden but found absolutely nobody there. Soon they also heard

562
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:12,800
a knox on the walls, which continued at spaced out intervals.

563
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,280
At eleven PM, they called the police, who also heard

564
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,559
the knox, and one officer even saw a chair inexplicably

565
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,400
move across the floor, and later signed a written statement

566
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,679
to confirm the events. Several people were witnessed to the

567
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,519
events that occurred in the following days. Lego, bricks, and

568
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,000
marbles were thrown around the house and were often hot

569
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:41,360
to the touch. In September of that year, Maurice Gross

570
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,480
of the Society for Psychical Research came to investigate in

571
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:51,000
Gross claims that he experienced the strange happenings first, and

572
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,239
marble was thrown at him from an unseen hand, and

573
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,440
he saw doors open and closed by themselves, and claimed

574
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,079
to feel a sudden breeze that seemed to move up

575
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:03,559
from his feet to his head.

576
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: Gross was later.

577
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 5: Joined in the investigation by writer Guy Leon Playfair, and

578
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,119
together they studied the case for two years. So that's

579
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,880
an extraordinarily long one. The haunting or the knocking on

580
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,599
the walls rather than floors, became an almost nightly occurrence.

581
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Furniture slid across the floor and was thrown down from stairs,

582
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:32,360
Drawers were wrenched out of dressing tables, toys and other

583
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,039
objects would fly across the room, and bedclothes would be

584
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:40,119
pulled off. Water was found in mysterious puddles on the floor,

585
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,840
and there were outbreaks of fire followed by their inex

586
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:52,159
inexplicable extinguishing. The case became decidedly unnerving when the spirits

587
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,519
revealed themselves through Janet, which I think is one of

588
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,679
the kids. Speaking in a deep, gravelly voice, the spirit

589
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,360
announced that his name was Bill and he died in

590
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,079
the house, a fact that has been verified. The voices

591
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,039
and the phenomena have been recorded on tape and film,

592
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,199
and Playfair has written a book about the case called

593
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:21,000
The House Is Haunted. Despite the documentation, however, much controversy

594
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:24,920
surrounds the case. Skeptics claim that the case is nothing

595
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,320
more than the work of a very clever and mischievous girl, Janet.

596
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,639
The poultrygeist always stopped when she was being watched closely,

597
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,320
or the activity rather poltergeist activity, and when she was

598
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,679
taken to the hospital for several days to be tested

599
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,400
for physical or mental abnormality, the phenomena ceased in the house,

600
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,199
which stands to reason if it is indeed triggered by

601
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,800
a person. So when she was removed from the house,

602
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,360
it stands to reason the house would go quiet. Let's

603
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,920
see what it says now. Some researchers believe that Janet

604
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,639
taught herself to speak in the strange male voice, and

605
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,440
that photos of her levitating in her bedroom merely caught

606
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,920
her jumping off the bed. Was this poltergeist case just

607
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,960
the result of an attention seeking eleven year old, and

608
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,559
that is, I suppose possible.

609
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,119
Speaker 2: But I would have to believe.

610
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:29,599
Speaker 5: That if somebody was a professional investigator, that they would

611
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,159
at least rule those things out out of good conscience.

612
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,840
And then there's one more in this list, and let's

613
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,719
cover this one. This is nineteen ninety eight. Jane Fishman,

614
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:44,880
a reporter for the Savannah Morning News, began a series

615
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,440
of articles about a possibly haunted antique bed in the

616
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,480
home of al Kabre of Savannah. And this is of

617
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,800
course Georgia cob bought the vintage late eighteen hundreds bed

618
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,960
at auction as a Christmas present for his fourteen year

619
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:05,280
year old son Jason, a purchase he later regretted buying. Yeah,

620
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,559
I bet, I bet. He didn't want to bring home

621
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:13,480
a haunted bed. I get it. Three nights later, Fisherman reported,

622
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,360
Jason told his parents he felt as if someone had

623
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,559
planted elbows on his pillow and was watching him and

624
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:23,800
breathing cold air down his back of his neck. He

625
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,599
also felt sick. The next night, he noticed the photo

626
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:32,239
of his deceased grandparents on his wicker night stand flipped down,

627
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,199
so he righted it, and the next day the photo

628
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,920
was facing down again. Later that morning, after leaving his

629
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:43,400
room for breakfast, he returned and found that in the

630
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,679
middle of the bed two beanie babies, a zebra and

631
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,760
a tiger, next to a conch shell, a dinosaur made

632
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,159
of shells, and a plastic to canbird, And that got

633
00:46:56,159 --> 00:47:01,440
his parents and his twin brother Lee's attention. Trying to

634
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,639
make sense of the irrational, Al called out called out,

635
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,639
do we have a casper here? Tell me your name

636
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:14,079
and how old you are, and then he left some

637
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:18,079
line composition paper and craons or he left some line

638
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:21,599
composition paper and kreons, and with his family walked out

639
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:24,400
of the room. In fifteen minutes, they returned and found

640
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:32,480
written vertically in large black childlike letters, Danny seven. With

641
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,480
his family out of the house, al Cob decided to

642
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,000
continue trying to communicate with the spirit of Danny and

643
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:41,360
with the same kind of notes. Danny indicated that his

644
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:45,079
mother had died in that bed in eighteen ninety nine

645
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,760
and that he wanted to stay with her or with

646
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,800
the bed rather. He also made it clear that he

647
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,119
didn't want anyone else sleeping in it. The same day,

648
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,480
they found a note reading no one's sleep in bed. Jason,

649
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,440
who had moved out of the room, decided to stretch

650
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,199
out and pretend to take a nap. That says al

651
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,719
was a mistake. I doubled back in the room to

652
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,280
pick up my clothes, remembers Jason, when this terra cotta

653
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,159
head that had been hanging on the wall came flying

654
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,440
through the room, just missing me before it smashed into

655
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,159
the closet door. No one really knows, Fishman writes in

656
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,840
the second installment, who or what is leaving the copious notes,

657
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,320
moving the furniture, opening the kitchen drawers, setting the dining

658
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:38,400
room table, flipping over the chairs, lighting the candles, arranging

659
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,960
the posters to spell out a person's name Jill, then

660
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:46,760
hanging the finished product on a bedroom wall. Jason also

661
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,880
spoke to other spirits, Uncle Sam, who had come to

662
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,039
reclaim his daughter, he said was buried under the house, Gracie,

663
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:58,360
a young girl whose sculpture sits in the Bonaventure Cemetery,

664
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,079
and Jill, a young woman who left a number of

665
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,559
handwritten messages, among them one inviting the cobs to a

666
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:12,639
party in their living room. Parapsychologist Andrew Nichols, head of

667
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:17,639
the Florida Society for the Parapsychological Research, investigated the case.

668
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:22,039
What happened at the Cobbs, he told Fishman, more specifically

669
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,039
to Jason, would have happened without Danny or the bed.

670
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,400
It was the electromagnetic energy of the wall that Jason

671
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,119
started sleeping next to when he moved the bed there

672
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,599
that charged a psychic ability in that the boy already

673
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,960
had there. You have it, Well, that's interesting. It sounds

674
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,880
like the last one could very well be, but I

675
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,000
don't know. Again, it's and maybe I have a hollywood

676
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,719
ized version of poltergeis in my head. You know, maybe

677
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,039
these are the more accurate descriptions, but they sound more

678
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,039
like general hauntings to me in most cases. But that's

679
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,559
why I believe that actual poltergeist cases.

680
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: Are extraordinarily rare.

681
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 5: And if they are manifestations of the person, then you

682
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,360
know they wouldn't have you know, apparitions and such. That

683
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:20,679
doesn't stand to support that theory at least, so, but

684
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,159
I hope you guys have enjoyed this, and again, it's

685
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:29,760
not meant to be an exhaustive, exhaustive dissertation about poltergeist,

686
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but it's just about discussing a phenomena that I find

687
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:36,840
incredibly interesting and I hope you have as well. Please

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