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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Surely You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast. This week, we are diving into two of

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the most beloved comedies, one from the eighties, one from

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the nineties. I'm here with my good friend Dee Graves.

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You look a little stressed out, man, What's what's going on?

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Speaker 2: I just I want to be a good man and thorough. Yeah,

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a good man and thorough. But there's a lot of

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strands to keep straight in old Duder's head. Man, I'm

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really I'm stressed out. I'm like, I'm like, there's this

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beautiful girl who takes my picture when I get arrested,

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and I got this big crush on her, and I

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just can't work up the right words to speak to her.

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Speaker 1: You look way more stressed than Hi when he gets

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arrested and it's getting his picture taken by Edd. Yeah,

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it's very undoued of you to be so stressed out, man. Yeah,

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you mind if I do it? Jay, I think you

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mathembnig anymore. Today we're diving into Raising Arizona versus The

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Big Lebowski. Do the best from the Coen Brothers. Yeah,

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the Coen Brothers. I love their movies. I have not

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seen them all.

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Speaker 2: I think every movie that I've seen of theirs, I

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loved it the first time that I watched it. I

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started with Raising Arizona. I know that I watched Barton

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Fink close to the time that it came out. I

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watched The Hudsucker Proxy close to the time that it

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came out. I had no idea that these guys were related,

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probably until I get to The Hudsucker Proxy and I'm like, well,

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these are the same guys. And then of course Fargo

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came out and I was like, whoa, these are guys

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who've done something completely different. Now, I hadn't seen Blood Simple,

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which is kind of their tough rr slash thriller thing,

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but Fargo seemed far removed and I totally bought it.

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Like when they start Fargo with everything in here is true,

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I was like, oh wow, okay, yeah, no, So that

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turned out to be a total lie, but it was

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such a different experience. And so then by the time

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Big Lebowski rolls around in nineteen ninety eight, I mean

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that's eleven years after Raising Arizona, I go and watch it.

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And by the way, this time in my life I

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was doing Jay's pretty pretty and I kind of had

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an idea about what it was about, and so when

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I went, I was definitely under the influence, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Was feeling the vibes. I walked out of that movie.

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Speaker 2: The first person that I talked to, first friend that

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I talked to about it, they were like, what'd you think?

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And I was like, I loved it, and now I

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have to see it not high to make sure that

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I really did love it. I saw it again in

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the theater when I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and

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I was like, this is one of the best movies

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I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 1: Really, Okay, these are two sort of off bullseye movies

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for me.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you're not alone there. Like, both of the

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movies were not widely accepted when they first came out.

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I mean, there was kind of a with Raising Arizona,

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the critics were expecting something different because the only experience

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they'd had was Blood Simple, and I mean you go

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from you know, thriller horror to basically a Looney Tunes episode, right,

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And then with The Big Lebowski kind of the same thing.

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They've just come off of Fargo, very deep, dark, risly

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murder movie and then you come in with The Big Lebowski,

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and the initial reaction from everybody but a handful of

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folks including me, was man right until a couple of

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years later, and then somebody shows, you know, one of

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the film critics shows up at a midnight showing of

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The Big Lebowski like two years after it's come out,

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and it's developed like a rocky horror picture show style following,

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Like people show up say the lines to each other.

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I mean, you know, we use the word cult following

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all the time. This is genuinely a cult, and so

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I'm not a member of that cult. I'm gonna be right,

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there's gonna be no information for me as far as

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those cultish things go. But I am a lover of

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the movie, and so the beginning was sincere. I am

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stressed to the max, but I've decided I'm just gonna chill.

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I'm just gonna you know, the do divides.

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Speaker 1: Just take a look at the rug man and just

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realize that, you know, it all pulls the episode together, right,

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really ties the episode. Hey, you mentioned something I wanted

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to touch on before we got off of that. My

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understanding is that one of the Coen brothers went to

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the movie one day and there's a big line of

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people and he's like, what's going on here? They were

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like in costumes and stuff, and she's like, Oh, we're

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all dressed up for this great movie called The Big Lebowski.

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It's a lot of fun. You should come. You probably

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like it.

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Speaker 2: To the Coen Brothers, Yeah, yeah, to Joel, Yeah, that's hilarious. Well,

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before we get fully rolling in the episode, there's a

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couple of people we need to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely, So last week we dropped our top five

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songs of nineteen eighty eight. Yes, and we've got all

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kinds of feedback on that, most of it positive. A

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lot of people disagreed and wanted to plug with their

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own songs, and that's great. We encouraged that conversation. We

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love it. But I'll tell you one doubt to me. Okay,

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we got an email from a woman named Beth Sloan

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Okay that we hadn't really interacted with. I think she'd

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hit us up on Facebook a couple of times, but

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nothing really really personal. And she took issue with the

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fact that I called Father Figure a giant panty dropper.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh yeah, well you you kind of went over

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you gushed on that. It was the girls are chasing

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after you, throwing their panties as you have the car.

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Speaker 1: The music from your car's that's right. She said it

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was gross. Well, she wasn't real comfortable with the lyrics

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of you know, call me your daddy and all this

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other stuff. I think she used the word EU. Yeah,

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but here's what she said. Okay, So she didn't just

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trash my list. She said, guys, here are the top

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five panty droppers of nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: So not just the top five songs, but the top

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five panty droppers.

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Speaker 1: Panty droppers of eighty eight. And when a woman tells

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you this is the top five panty droppers.

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Speaker 2: You probably should listen. You listen, Okay, Yeah, so what

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is it?

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Speaker 1: I'm dying?

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Speaker 2: It is all right, all this build up and tell

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me what she said.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So according to our new best friend best Loan, Yeah,

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this is what she says. Number five, Hands to Heaven

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by Brief. It was a good one. That's on my

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low dance. It was on my last yeah for sure

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eighty eight. Okay, Number four, she says, Eternal Flame by

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the Bangles. Well, sure, she's anna Hoffs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, say no more, my gosh, those are you know,

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boxer droppers.

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Speaker 1: I think we love Susannah Hoffs. Here at the Shirley

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Candy Series podcast number three, she said the Flame by

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Cheap Trick. Okay, that was my first out okay, and

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we had talked about that. I think Brad Moore that

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was one on his list. So we are totally with

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you on the Flame by Cheap Trick. And number two

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she's got I'll Be There for You by bon Jovi. Sure,

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New Jersey can't beat it. I'm not gonna split hairs

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with her, but that's definitely an eighty nine song for me.

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That's like Summer eighty nine. Yeah, okay. And then number one,

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her top penny dropper of nineteen eighty eight, Yeah, I

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Want Your Sex by George Mine.

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Speaker 2: So she she throws you for picking father figure, but

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her number one is I want your sex.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I don't care. Yeah, that's a good answer. That's

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a good answer, good answer.

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Speaker 2: That's right, she's right and you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, I believe. When we did the George

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Michael episode we called that that song sounds like a

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wet pornographer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yes, so having to edit that one.

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Speaker 1: Beth, that was amazing. She's actually Chris Webber's cousin. Oh cool,

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and Chris had turned her onto us. So Chris, thank you, Beth,

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thank you, thanks for reaching out. Good to hear from

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both of you guys on our top five of eighty eight.

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If you miss that, go back and check it out. Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you know that's just like.

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Speaker 3: Your opinion, man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So for this episode, we've got a new Patreon

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member that is our executive producer of our Cohen Brothers episodes.

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This guy joined our YouTube page. If you haven't done that,

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go do that. We don't put out a whole lot

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of YouTube stuff, but when we do, it's it's gold. Yeah,

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you can check out Jason going to all of the

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locations for Rumblefish and the Outsiders.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun, right, I was. Yeah.

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And then he joined Patreon.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: So you you texted me this morning, Yeah, and you're like, hey,

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we got a new Patreon. I'm like, awesome, who is it?

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You're like this guy named Cason Grover, like Caseon Grover

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went to high school with Cason Grover. Oh there you go,

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So Cason, thank you very much, buddy. We appreciate you.

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I'm so glad I didn't even know he listened. It's

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so good to hear from you and appreciate your support

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and Caseon I've been friend for decades. Wow, that's awesome,

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So thank you, Caseon. Appreciate your sport. Guys.

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a month. Okay, are you ready to jump into the

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Speaker 1: Okay, then I'm glad you said I.

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Speaker 2: There are so many quotes in these two movies, and

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some of them overlap like that. Okay, then right, These

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are both movies that we routinely quote in my house.

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I cannot tell you how many times I say, if

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you're not into the whole brevity thing or phone's ringing, dude,

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or okay, then one of.

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Speaker 1: The things I quote around my wife all the time

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is just I do the t ig e R yes, mine,

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you don't cut yourself Mornecai take these huggies and whatever.

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I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yes, college friends, if they're listening right now, they're gonna

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they're gonna be waiting for me to say this right now. Yeah,

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you got the balloons that come in the funny shapes,

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not unless rounds funny.

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Speaker 1: My buddy Bomber, who's a patriot. I remember Chris Bauer.

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We used to He used to get me in trouble

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in church all the time. He cracked me up in

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sunny school and stuff, and he'd always be quoting that

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seven hundred and nineteen one hundred and twenty ah Bush.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have a hard time quoting the Big

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Lebowski without dropping the F bomb.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this before we get started. You got

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a statistic dute, I do, I do? Huh. We have

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one hundred and forty seven man's okay, we have one

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hundred and sixty one dudes. Yeah, we have two hundred

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and ninety two F bombs, two hundred and ninety, two

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Speaker 2: The dude is said about half as much as the fop.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yes, and we have five Shut the f ups.

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Speaker 2: Donnie, Donnie, you're like a little child who wanders into it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's the better ass? Shut the f up, donnye.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna give a little history here, a

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little history, a little history, just a little.

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Speaker 1: I can't, I just I cannot.

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Speaker 2: I could spend years like sinking into these movies and

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devouring what they are. And I can tell you that

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there are a ton of people who have analyzed these

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movies and said, oh, this is about the reagularra and

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the economics and the relationship between the rich and the

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poor and all this other stuff. And I can also

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tell you that the Cohen brothers basically turn their noses

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up at everybody who does that. So I'm not about

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to start doing it. I'm not going to try to

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do it. What I'm gonna do is I'm going to

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tell you about the cool things that I like that

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they do, and I'm going to I'm going to abide, Okay.

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So Joel Cohen born November nineteen fifty four Ethan Cohen

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born September nineteen fifty seven. First, let me just say this.

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the Ends of Court in London before he retired to

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old time information I'm going to give you on that,

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all right, Okay, I'm not leading all the way up.

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their movie experience stems largely from the movies that come

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on late at night in the sixties. And you'll find

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with those movies, the later you get, the kind of

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weirder you get. And a lot of the movies that

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were that they were watching. Are we the old black

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and white private detective movies that were movies based on

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Raymond Chandler or dash O Hammett or these other kind

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of pulpy mystery writer guys. Right now, I didn't mention

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where they were born. They were born in a small

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town just outside of Minneapolis named Saint Louis Park. Okay,

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are you familiar with another park in Minneapolis?

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Speaker 1: How about Paisley Park? Yes, Prince, Paisley Park is not

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again suburb of.

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis, right right. And it turns out that they got

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together later on. They said, hey, we like your stuff.

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He goes, hey, I like your stuff. They said, maybe

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you should.

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Speaker 1: Be in our movie. He said that sounds great, and.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the closing credits of Fargo, yeah, you.

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Speaker 1: Will see next to.

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Speaker 2: The character name Victim in Field, not Prince Rogers Nelson

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because he wasn't going by the right you will see

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the sign of.

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Speaker 1: The artist formerly known as prent.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think he was actually in the movie, Like,

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I don't think they could make their schedules work, but

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they thought, well, we'll just give him credit anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's cool.

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you will see the sign of the artists formerly known

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as Prents back when he was going by the symbol exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So in addition to those detective movies that they were

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watching on late night TV, they also saw Fellini stuff,

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Jerry Lewis, Bob Hope, Doris Day. And you can see

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from just that little bit there's a wide spectrum of

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influences that are coming into play once they start making movies.

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So in the mid sixties, Joel saves his money from

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mowing lawns and buys a Super eight camera and they

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started remaking movies with their friend Mark Zimmering, who they

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called Zeimer's as the Star. Okay, all right, all right,

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they had They remade a sixty five movie called The

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Naked Prey and called it Zimer's. In Zambizi, they remade

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the nineteen forty three lassie Come I'm a Home and

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they called it Ed a Dog, and Ethan played the

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mother role and his sisters two to two.

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Speaker 1: This, I mean, this sounds like the same stuff we

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used to do with the our parents' cameras when we

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were kids. You know, I had an.

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Speaker 2: DL movies and we would make dumb movies. I had

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a stop animation with all of my he Man figures

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as they attacked the Castle of Gray School. So after

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they get done with high school, they go to a

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local college for a little bit together, and then Joel

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goes to NYU and starts studying film. He then goes

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after he graduates, he goes down to University of Texas

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in Austin, but going down there because he was following

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a woman he had married who was going down there

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for linguistic studies, and that marriage didn't last and so

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he dropped out once he was divorced from her. Ethan,

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instead of going to NYU, he went to Princeton University,

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got an undergraduate degree in philosophy in nineteen seventy nine,

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and his senior thesis was a forty one page essay

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on the two views of Whittingstein's later philosophy. Whitting Stein

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is considered the greatest philosopher of the twentieth century. Okay,

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fascinating stuff, right you, I got you.

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Speaker 1: I can tell right now, I'm with you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So, after Joel gets done with NYU and his brief

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stint at the University of Texas, he goes and starts

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working as a production assistant and he works on a

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whole bunch of industrial films and music videos. And then

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he has a very special movie that he works on

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where he makes a very important friend. And that movie

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is a movie that my friends have asked us to cover.

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And that movie is The Evil Dead by Sam Raimi. Yeah, okay,

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So he and Sam Raimi hit it off. He is

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he is the associate or assistant editor in Sam Raimi's

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The Evil Dead. Sam Raimi talks to them about some

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of their stuff. They've started working on a script together

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for Blood Simple, and he says, you guys have got

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to get this thing made. He starts introducing them to people,

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and they shoot a brief kind of teaser pitch thing

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with a guy crawling along in the highway. The guy

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is Bruce Campbell, the star of Yeah. And so they

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start going door to door showing this to people, and

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they build a budget for their first movie by talking

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to dentists. For some reason, dentists always seem to be

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the guys that are investing in movies.

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Speaker 1: Rights. I have a lot of money, and they're always bored.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I have to be a dentist every day.

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How about I get to be the producer of a

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Hollywood movie?

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Speaker 1: Right, That's right. So they get that.

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Speaker 2: They get the guy who invented the pump for Windex.

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He donates some money to it. Wow, Sam Raimi's dad

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donates some money. They just they get all of this

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money together, basically get I think something like seven hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars together and decide to make their

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movie called Blood Simple.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know you mentioned the name Sam Raimi. And

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I've got a list of people who call The Big

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Lebowski one of their all time favorite movies. Okay, and

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this includes people like Jennifer Lawrence, Seth Rogan Jonah Hill.

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didn't know they were friends though. Yeah, yeah, so Sam.

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Speaker 2: I mean the First Evil Dead was a struggle for Sam.

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I mean he ran out of money in the midst

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of production. Bruce Campbell gives him his own money so

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that he can finish production. And so that's why Bruce

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Campbell is in every single one of Sam Raimi's films,

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just about is because I mean, this is the guy

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that saved his very first movie, right right, And so anyway, yes,

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they've made this special meeting with Sam Raimi, who's now

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influencing their movie career. He ends up being he's got cameos.

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their movies. One of them is Miller's Crossing. I think

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he's got a kind of good shootout scene in Miller's Crossing. Okay,

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But anyway, Blood Simple, the girl that they want to

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play the kind of key part in Blood Simple.

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Speaker 1: We all know Holly Hunter to hurry it up coming

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touch with Daft, Yes.

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Speaker 2: But she wasn't available, so she says, hey, how about

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you use my roommate. People say, we're a lot alike

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the roommate Francis McDermott.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, right, they're roommates. Yeah, which you know, part

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of the reason why they have such great chemistry and

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raised in Arizona because they know each other exactly. By

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the way, just to come in on that, Holly Hunter

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does give an uncredited voiceover for Blood Simple. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So the other very important person that they meet when

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they make Blood Simple is this guy named Jeff Dawd.

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So they produce Blood Simple, they write and direct it.

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They for a long time just one would get the

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writing credit and the other would get the directing credit.

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I think until like Brother where Art that was finally

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the first one where they finally got to get double

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billing as directors.

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Speaker 1: But they always work in conjunction, both writing and directing.

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Speaker 2: And producing, and so they make Blood Simple, and with

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that very first movie you get their genre twists where

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they're taking things that don't seem to belong together and

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smashing them together, like horror and film noir, and they

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put in simple story, but they've got crazy plot twists.

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where they've got special set decoration with special blocking of

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the actors to create this real picture. Because the thing is,

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they won't explain their films, right. That's what I was

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consumed by, like understanding the depth of these movies, but

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they won't talk about them in that way. They'll talk

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about what inspired them to write the movie, but they

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won't say what it means, right, And that's kind of

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the point. They want you to get your own meaning

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from it. They want you to just sit there and

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enjoy the movie, but also leave it broad enough and

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vague enough that you draw your own conclusions. Their real

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key to their success is the art that they create.

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The combination of lighting, cinematography, the beauty of the pictures

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that they shoot, the creativity of the language that they use,

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and the combination of these weird styles that no one

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would expect to come together is really what makes a

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Coen Brothers movie a Coen Brothers movie.

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Speaker 1: That and usually somebody sitting behind a desk.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm saying that to say, I'm not going

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to try to figure out what raising Arizona means. I'm

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not going to try to figure out what the Big

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Lebowski means. I'm just going to talk about how much

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I love watching them. Okay, Okay, yeah, sounds good. So

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they have great success with Blood Simple. It gets awards

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at the Sundance Film Festival and the Independent Spirit Awards.

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And the next project they have is with Sam Raimi.

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Sam Raimi is directing a script that they write, and

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that one was called Crime Wave, and that is a

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lesson on how other people should not direct scripts that

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the Cohen Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Write, really because it was.

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Speaker 2: Too weird, Like Sam Raimi is a great director, but

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he didn't get their feel right.

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Speaker 1: It was just too weird.

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Speaker 2: But Sam Raimi and Joel that next year, in nineteen

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eighty five, they have a cameo in a movie okay,

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and you know this movie, okay, wearing machine guns and

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they're dressed in suits, okay, in suits, in suits and suits, yep.

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And the guy who is on screen with them as

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they're guarding a drive in movie is BB King and

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he suggests to Dan Aykroyd and Chevy Chase that they

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go in have a pepsi cola.

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Speaker 1: Have a pepsi. Spies like us, you got it, Spies

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like us. Yes, so spies like us.

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Speaker 2: You've got a cameo by Sam Raimi and Joel Cohen

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before they were ever big.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's cool. That's a great little nugget. Thanks. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So then two years later they do their second movie,

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the movie that we're here to talk about to day,

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raising Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll tell you the first time I watched this movie,

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a couple of guys went over to a friend's house

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after football practice. We did the classic you know, swing

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by Blockbuster, grab a couple of movies and some you know,

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popcorn or whatever, went over to a guy's house and

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we laughed our rears off at this movie. So right

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from the get go, I thought this was a hilarious movie. Yeah,

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now it was odd, it was odd, but man, it

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was funny. Well, it is completely in your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: Because we talked about them mixing up some kind of

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weird combination. How about a kidnapping movie. It's combined with

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Looney Tunes style?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely right, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And how different of a movie to do right after

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you've done blood simple. I mean, it's just their night

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and day different, which turned off a lot of critics

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they're not expecting it, But I'm with you. First time

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I saw it, I was like, this movie's fantastic. Hilarious.

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I was eating up the dial that they exchanged because

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it's so crazy the way that they write. I mean,

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these buffoon kind of you know, trailer trash characters speaking

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in this way. And what they did was they combined

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the style of writing that they found in magazines of

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the time with the Bible.

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Speaker 1: I know that was with the two things they slammed

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together to write this script. It's crazy. And you know,

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after watching Raised in Arizona, it took me a while

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to allow Nicholas Cage to be a movie star, action hero,

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a list actor, because I'd seen him be a complete goofball,

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weirdo trailer trash guy, yeah in Raised in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know from even from when we talked

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about his first.

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Speaker 1: Really big movie, Rumblefish. Rumblefish. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He likes to improv things and he likes to put

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his own spin on things. And Joel and Ethan are

470
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meticulous about how they write scripts, and so even though

471
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they had mutual respect for each other, their ways of

472
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,960
doing things did not line up, which is why this

473
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is the only Cohen Brothers movie that he is in.

474
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I read a little bit about that, and they did

476
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allow him to improv and then they just cut most

477
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of it out. Sure, go ahead, Nick, do whatever you want. Yeah,

478
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:14,200
you can tell the true Nicholas Cage moment when he

479
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,640
falls over being tied to the chair, his head slams

480
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on a cheese wall and he just starts screaming his

481
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,880
head off. You know, there's so many funny parts of

482
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,079
this movie. When he gets in a fight inside the

483
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confined spaces of the mobile home and he raises his

484
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,799
hands to like do an overhead karate chop punch. Yes,

485
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and he scrapes his fingers on the on the bubbled ceiling. Yes,

486
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And he's like, I mean, it's such a cartoon. And

487
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if you get it wrong just a little bit, yeah,

488
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,920
the whole thing goes in the tank. You can just

489
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take the movie and throw it in the trash Allah

490
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,000
Last Action Hero. He tried to make it a satire

491
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,359
kind of funny, kind of poke funny, and it didn't work,

492
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,599
and the whole movie is trash yep. And instead they

493
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hit it right on the nose and it's it's hilarious. Right.

494
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Speaker 2: So, in addition to People Magazine and The Bible, they

495
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had influence of a film director named Preston Sturgis and

496
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I sent you this. I think this is probably their

497
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,119
favorite film director and his style. You can definitely see

498
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how they've drawn their influence because his is all about

499
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that dialogue. The story is secondary to that fast paced,

500
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kind of cutty, fun speaking that all of these characters have.

501
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And then the in addition to the crazy things that

502
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they say, the characters themselves are.

503
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Speaker 1: Bigger than life, right.

504
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Speaker 2: I mean you just you think about the brothers John

505
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Goodman and William Forsyth and the goofball nature that they

506
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have and still their kind of educated way of speaking.

507
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It is perfect poetic. It's surprising, and it's wonderful to watch,

508
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,200
and if you've got the right actors doing the job,

509
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you don't have to work too hard at it. So

510
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in addition to Preston Sturgis in that style, they also

511
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had William Faulkner, they had Flannery O'Connor, who's one of

512
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,920
my favorite authors. She's Southern style author. They took it

513
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000
influence from her. They put their script together and they

514
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showed it to the film company and they said, this

515
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is our complete opposite movie of Blood Simple, and the

516
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company named Circle Films, agreed to finance the movies.

517
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Speaker 1: Hey, before you leave that, I called you the other

518
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day and I told you that their style reminds me

519
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:22,359
of Elmore Leonard, who is Southern and dialogue based. Yep.

520
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There's a sort of rhythm to their speaking. Yep. So

521
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,000
think justified. Right, it's all about edgy dialogue and unusual

522
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,480
characters like a drug dealer or a marijuana grower, Texas

523
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,680
ranger and all that stuff. We're asked in raising Arizona

524
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:43,319
to cheer for kidnappers. Yeah, you know, trailer trash kidnappers,

525
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,559
kidnapping babies, kidnapping babies. Yeah, they got more than they

526
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,759
can handle. High. By the way, d while you are

527
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,160
gathering your thoughts there, David Wright and Van Allen Plexico

528
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,279
about a podcast that we're going to be recording with

529
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,279
them tomorrow, a Ready Player One, the movie.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you haven't caught the Ready Player One, the

531
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,400
book that we did with Van and Allen Plexico and

532
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,240
David Wright last week, go check it out. It's on

533
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,200
the White Rocket podcast with Van Allen Plexica.

534
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: That's right, and the sequel coming this coming week.

535
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,079
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna jump back to what I said before. Okay,

536
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,359
I mentioned that they had met a guy who's helping

537
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,920
produce this movie whose name was Jeff Dowd. Right, the Dowter,

538
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,440
the Doubter, Eld Douderino, if you're not in the whole

539
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,480
brevity thing. So Jeff Dowd had a definite way about him.

540
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,920
He was a part of a group, the Seattle part

541
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,119
of the Seattle seven, that was a real group. It's funny,

542
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,319
you never know with Cohen Brothers movies when they bring

543
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,079
stuff up whether this is going to be a real

544
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,440
thing or just they've made something up. So when the

545
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,200
dude says he's he was a part of the Seattle seven,

546
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,000
you know, me and six other guys. He that was

547
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,400
a real thing. Right, So they meet Jeff Dowd and

548
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,759
they they love this kind of kooky guy that smokes pot,

549
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,279
has his beard belly. Now, the guy that they have

550
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,480
who is the cinematographer for Raising Arizona is a guy

551
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,079
that you probably heard of named Barry Sonefeld.

552
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Do you know why you've heard of him?

553
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,920
I mean he did. He's been a director for other

554
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:09,200
famous movies.

555
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: Men in Black, Yes, that's kind of a big one.

556
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:14,920
Men and Black's all of them. He also did get Shorty.

557
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Speaker 1: I mean he get Shorty Elmore Leonard. Yeah, there you go.

558
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,039
Speaker 2: Right before that, he was a cinematographer also for Big

559
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,759
which we've got coming up pretty soon, we do, so

560
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,279
that'll be very soon, very soon. Yes, he introduces them

561
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,519
to this guy named Peter x Line. Peter Xline is

562
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:32,960
a vet. I know where you're going. It's not the

563
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,119
Walter character yet, all right. Yeah, but he's a guy

564
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,359
who is retired and he lives in a ratty apartment

565
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,079
and he has this rug that really ties the room together.

566
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So Peter x Line he introduces them to his friend

567
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:54,759
named Lewis Abernethy. Lewis Abernethy is also a vet, and

568
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Lewis Abernethy is in the guns. He's a private investigator

569
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,680
and one time Louis helped Peter track down.

570
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: A high school kid.

571
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: Who stole his car because when they found the car,

572
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:13,319
Lewis Abernethy found the homework in the seats.

573
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. That made it all the way to

574
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,960
the big screen of Big Lebowski. It was hilarious. Yes,

575
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:22,119
it's crazy to think that these are real events that

576
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,079
actually happened.

577
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Speaker 2: So obviously, Lewis Abernethy is a key inspiration for the

578
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:31,960
Walter character. Jeff Dowd is a key inspiration for the dude,

579
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as is Peter x Line. And in this process they

580
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,799
also meet John Millius. John Millius, the director of Conan

581
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the Barbarian, John Millius, the writer of Apocalypse Now. John

582
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Millius close associations with Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas,

583
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
but a different cat altogether. And if you haven't seen

584
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,720
John Millius, you go take a look at his picture

585
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,400
and you're gonna immediately think of Walter.

586
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I He also worked on Dirty Harry

587
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:06,599
and Jaws. Yes, this guy's a heavy hitter from Hollywood, absolutely,

588
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,880
but he's one of these sort of kooky right wing

589
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,200
military lots of guns.

590
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Speaker 2: We got hired to write a script. You know that

591
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,680
we want you to stay in this place and write

592
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,119
a script. And his requirement was that there were babes, beer,

593
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:23,039
and motorcycle as much as he wanted. And that was

594
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that was how he wrote the script.

595
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:24,519
Speaker 1: Right.

596
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: So the first movie that John milly Is directed was

597
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:31,319
this movie called Big Wednesday. Okay, okay, it's a surfer movie.

598
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,000
Jan Michael Vincent I believe is the kind of Key.

599
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Speaker 1: The world's greatest athlete. Jan Michael Vincent got it? You

600
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:36,920
got it?

601
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 2: So Jan Michael Vincent's character was based on this guy

602
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,680
named Jim Ganzer, and John Millius introduces the Cohen's to

603
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,319
Jim Ganzer and Jim Ganser's name. Nobody calls him Jim Ganser.

604
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They call him the dude.

605
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Speaker 3: Wait, let me, let me explain something to you. I

606
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,640
am not mister Lebowski, your mister Lebowski. I'm the dude.

607
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,319
So that's what you call me, you know that? Or

608
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,480
his dudeness or duder or you know, el dud Reno

609
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if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

610
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Speaker 1: Ah, this is great. This is a hodgepodge of real

611
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,000
people they pull together and it all lands in.

612
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Speaker 2: This movie exactly after raising Arizona. They had gone on

613
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,759
and done Miller's Crossing in nineteen ninety. And that's a

614
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,720
gangster flick. I haven't seen it, but it's supposed to

615
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,359
be very good. It came out the same day as Goodfellas,

616
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,759
which you know, it's hard to have another gangster movie

617
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,079
out the same day as Goodfellas. But I'm sure that

618
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,759
this one holds its own in an entirely different way.

619
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Then they do Barton Fink, which is not terribly successful either,

620
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,559
the Hudsucker Proxy, which does even worse. Both of those

621
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,160
movies I absolutely love and they.

622
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: Want terrible names. That's the big thing. Maybe I did.

623
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,319
I saw Madonna on the Arsenio Hall Show talk about

624
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,440
how much she enjoyed the movie Barton Fink. Wow, pulling

625
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,079
that right out of the nineties, that's awesome. And then

626
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:00,839
of course Tim Robbins is in The Hudsocker Proxy. Both

627
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400
of those movies went completely under my radar in the

628
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,480
nineties just because that title didn't captivate me.

629
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: So I'm telling you and all of the Shirley fans

630
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,319
out there, the Hudsucker Proxy is worth the watch. It

631
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200
is great fun. I mean, if you like Raising Arizona,

632
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:20,559
this is movie watch. It is full looney tune style fun.

633
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,519
Speaker 1: Okay, it is great. By the way. Yeah, you know

634
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,039
what company h I McDonough works for in Raising Arizona.

635
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,400
Hudsucker Industries. There you go. They have this own little

636
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,279
universe that everything lives in.

637
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they also have like a go to cast

638
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,640
that they always use. You've got Francis McDorman, which is

639
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440
she's been in virtually everything that they've done.

640
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: You know why, Well, she and Joel got married. They

641
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,880
got married. I mean that helps. Yeah. Yeah.

642
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,559
Speaker 2: So she's in Raising Arizona. You got Steve Bushimi who's

643
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,680
in Big Lebowski. You've got John Goodman who's in both.

644
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,440
You've got John Polito who's in Big Lebowski. You've gone

645
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,279
John Tuturo who's in Big Glebowski. These guys are in

646
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,079
so many of their movies. And they also have go

647
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,759
to Cruise.

648
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,599
Speaker 1: Right. They've got Sir Roger Deakins. I mean, he is

649
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,640
the man.

650
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: He's the godfather of cinematography and probably wouldn't be there

651
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:14,240
had it not been for his work with the Coen Brothers.

652
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,799
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.

653
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:20,079
Speaker 2: So also in that time in between Raising Arizona and

654
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:25,000
The Big Lebowski, they see this play called Miputa vide okay,

655
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,279
where they see a guy named John Taturo who's playing

656
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:32,279
a Hispanic character who is sort.

657
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Of a pederaste. What's a pederaste? Shut the Jason John

658
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,559
Tuturo who goes on to star as Jesus. Nobody else

659
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,480
with the Jesus.

660
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,599
Speaker 5: You said it, mom, Nobody was with the Jesus Jesus

661
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,839
Roles was a movie that came out later that was

662
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not directed by the Coen Brothers, in which failed miserably.

663
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that thing was a thing.

664
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Speaker 2: I was excited about it, and then it was like,

665
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,200
oh no, this is an absolute trainer.

666
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: So hey, you know what, though he was in The

667
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,759
Batman and we loved him in The Batman. He did great.

668
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:08,960
He was he was great.

669
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Speaker 2: He's I really I don't know that I've seen him

670
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,480
in stuff that I don't like him. Man, I just

671
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,079
haven't seen that Jesus Roles movie. But talk about one

672
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:20,480
of the best character introductions in all of TV and

673
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:25,039
movie history. I mean the Gypsy Kings playing their version

674
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,280
of Hotel California and his his one painted cokenail on

675
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,320
his pinky with all those rings and the pink unitard

676
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,400
bowling suit.

677
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Speaker 1: And the hairnet and the licking of the ball. Yeah yeah,

678
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,320
I mean it is art. You know, they amazing. They

679
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,400
gave him plenty of space to do what he does

680
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,880
and it was John Detrro's idea to lick the ball.

681
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And to you know, he put a sack of birds

682
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,199
eat in his pants when he had to go door

683
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,320
to door telling people. He was a pederass. Yes, and

684
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,639
he just was over the top, he said when he later,

685
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Yeah he was embarrassed. Oh no, he's like, ah, really fantastic.

686
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,920
But yeah, it's fantastic. He created a character that's very memorable. Indeed.

687
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so they've done Fargo and it blows up. I

688
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,800
mean Fargo, Francis McDorman wins the Oscar, It gets all

689
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,800
kinds of Oscar nominations. They are they have moved from

690
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,280
you know, movies that don't make back their budgets into

691
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,719
this massive hit, and that brings us to them writing

692
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000
the movie that falls around all of these crazy stories

693
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,159
that they've heard from these guys that they've met in

694
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,000
their time in the movie business, and they they decide

695
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,360
to take it and write it in a Raymond Chandler

696
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,199
style episodic Private Dick style kidnap adventure. Yeah.

697
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Speaker 1: The plot on this is a little bit fuzzy.

698
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to write it down.

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's a little bit weird. He

700
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,400
just kind of whinds. Yeah, and even the Coen Brothers

701
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,760
has said, the plot's really not that important. It's just

702
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,440
hang out with these characters. Yeah, it's and they are right.

703
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,239
They are right.

704
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: Like, after my first probably two or three viewings, I

705
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,639
probably couldn't have told you exactly what happens in the

706
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,159
movie other than there's this really cool guy who's laid

707
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,079
back who gets involved.

708
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,199
Speaker 1: With this weird kidnapping for this trophy.

709
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,559
Speaker 3: Wife.

710
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:18,639
Speaker 1: I had to call you and I'm like, okay, so

711
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,480
is my understanding this right? Is this what actually happened?

712
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,239
You're like, yeah, that's what happened. So yeah, So this

713
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,880
was only my second time to see this movie. Oh nice,

714
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,679
So but I was hilarious. I laughed my butt.

715
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,039
Speaker 2: Off, right, awesome, Well, what do you think Let's talk

716
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,599
about casting. Let's jump back to Raising Arizona and talk

717
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:47,000
about casting. Now we've already talked a little bit about it.

718
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,320
We got Nicholas Cage was his first choice for h

719
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,000
I McDonough.

720
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,599
Speaker 1: Well he won the audition. Okay, but you know Kevin

721
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,360
Costner auditioned for this three times. Wow, he almost got

722
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,920
the part. Could you see that? This is eighty seven?

723
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:05,119
I mean that was this is pre Untouchables? Wow. Okay,

724
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:09,840
So Kevin Costner had been in Fandango, but he was

725
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,239
an up and comer. But this is pre Boulderham. This

726
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,880
is pre Field of Dreams. This is pre Untouchables. Wow,

727
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:21,719
Kevin cost auditioned three times and almost got this part. Nice,

728
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,760
We should go ahead and mention raising. Arizona released on

729
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,079
March thirteenth, nineteen eighty seven, on a budget of a

730
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:32,519
little over five million bucks. That is super tight.

731
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: Yep, they had They said they had to have it

732
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,679
very well organized before they started production because the budget

733
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,199
was so tight.

734
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Yes, wake up, son, I've been taking these Huggies and

735
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,719
whatever cash you got. Okay, here I'm gonna throw I'm

736
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,800
gonna blow your mind on this one.

737
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,039
Speaker 3: Okay.

738
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,599
Speaker 1: You know who else auditioned for the role of h

739
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,239
I No, Richard Jenkins? Does that name ring a ill

740
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,880
with you? Yes?

741
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Richard Jenkins? Oh, man, I saw it and I can't

742
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,320
bring it. I can't find him in the mental mansion.

743
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,079
Tell me who he is.

744
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,159
Speaker 1: Richard Jenkins is the dad in step Brothers. Yes, the

745
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:20,039
guy who's like you crash my boat, you goons.

746
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, he's another he's another standard Cohen Brothers.

747
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: Go to guy. That's right. Yep. How about that nice,

748
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,320
that's a good one. Okay, this was mind blowing to me. Okay,

749
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,960
you know who auditioned and turned down the role for

750
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:44,719
Edwina No, Miss Willie Scott. Kate Capshaw herself turned down

751
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,320
this role.

752
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, And let's see that was eighty seven. That

753
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,480
would have been post Temple of Doom.

754
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

755
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,039
Speaker 2: Well, I mean she's hooking up with Steven Spielberg at

756
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:55,440
that point.

757
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:57,639
Speaker 1: She doesn't need to work. She doesn't need to work.

758
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,440
You know what other role she turned down that was

759
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,800
like been huge for her, Diane Chambers in Cheers. Oh wow,

760
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:06,159
she turned down that role.

761
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, Kate Nuggets Capshaw, nice, Okay.

762
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,199
Speaker 1: She also auditioned for some roles in The Outsiders, which

763
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,880
we talked about at the time. Yeah, okay, so some

764
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,280
other people in raised in Arizona. We talked a little

765
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bit about John Goodman.

766
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in Coen Brothers movie after Coen Brothers movie,

767
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,119
after Coen Brothers movie. You know, if they call that recidivism.

768
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: They got a name for people like you, Hi.

769
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: That name is called recidivism, repeat on Fender.

770
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: Not a pretty name, is it high? No, sir, that's

771
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,639
one bonehead name. But that ain't me anymore. You're not

772
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,119
just telling us what we want to hear, No, sir,

773
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,440
no way, we just want to hear the truth. Well, then,

774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,320
I guess I am telling you what you want to hear.

775
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't we.

776
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,039
Speaker 1: Just tell you not to do that? Yes, sir, Yes,

777
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,920
I think he got the part in Roseanne right around

778
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,960
the same time. I mean, that's on his way to superstardom. Right,

779
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,599
he had played the coach in Revenge of the Nerds.

780
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,519
You know, Wow, okay, good one. You guys lost to

781
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,639
a bunch of g D nerds.

782
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,599
Speaker 4: Nerds, you just got your asses whipped by a bunch

783
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:25,719
of nerdsrds.

784
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,679
Speaker 1: All right? Then you mentioned William forsythe I mean he

785
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,480
goes on. He plays like a battie in like Steven

786
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:34,800
Sagall movies and stuff.

787
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: He's so much better as the goofball. I like him

788
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,320
so much better as the goofball than as the bad guy.

789
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,480
I guess probably because that's where I saw him first.

790
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: Was that right? Right? He was in Cloak and Dagger,

791
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,039
the movie Cloak and Dagger. Was he Yes, he was

792
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,920
like the computer guy that Henry Thomas brings his disc

793
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:55,880
to for him to check it out. It's been a

794
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,639
few decades since I've seen Cloak and check it Out.

795
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,760
Childhood favorite of mine too. Okay. You also have Sam McMurray,

796
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,880
who plays Glenn.

797
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: Yep, he's also in Christmas Vacation, which we covered a

798
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,880
couple of Christmases ago, that last Christmas.

799
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Is he in Christmas Vacation? Yeah, he's the coworker of

800
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,079
Chevy Chase. That's right, he is. Okay, So anyway, he plays.

801
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,639
Speaker 2: Glenn, and I guess that's a way Homer.

802
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,079
Speaker 1: It's Pope wear a funny hat. Yes, it is kind

803
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:27,679
of funny Glenn. This character is hilarious. And then of

804
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,440
course you got Francis McDermott. I want to mention m

805
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,880
Emmett Walsh, the guy from The Jerk. He's been in

806
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,360
a million different movies. He's kind of a that guy.

807
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,159
Speaker 2: He was a go to for them. He was the

808
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,280
kind of he was a key character in Blood Simple.

809
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Interesting. He was in Blade Runner, which we talked

810
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,239
about early in twenty twenty two. Yep.

811
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: He is the guy who I quote routinely when I

812
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,440
say no, not.

813
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: That mother scratcher. All right, And we would be remiss

814
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,800
if we did not talk about the great random texts.

815
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,559
Cobb as Leonard Small's Lenny.

816
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: Small's Lenny Small's name right out of John Steinbeck's of

817
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,280
Mice and Men. They said text Cob was a little

818
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,400
tough to work with. He's more like a instead of

819
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,159
an actor. He's more like a force of nature. I

820
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,480
don't think they will be hiring him again as what

821
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,039
they said back then. Obviously he's passed away since then.

822
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:24,679
Speaker 1: He was in Uncommon Valor, right, Yes, yeah, he was

823
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:25,599
in Fletch Lives.

824
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, he's got a very unique face. And

825
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,840
I think they must have done something with his nose

826
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,840
in this particular movie because it was even bigger. They

827
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,119
said he was part bloodhound, but he.

828
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,559
Speaker 1: Was a heavyweight contender. Yeah, this guy is a badass,

829
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Yes he is. You don't remember when Fletch Lives. When

830
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,079
he when Chevy Chase gets thrown in jail and he says,

831
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,480
bend over. Chevy's like Ben good to meet Jenny. No,

832
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:55,280
And then finally, TJ. Kewne is one of the many

833
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,920
children who played Nathan Junior, which, interestingly enough, they had

834
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,679
to fire several children because they kept getting too old

835
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,280
and they would walk instead of crawl, so they had

836
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,840
fire kids left and right. Yeah. Tjkewn is now a

837
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,639
realtor in the Phoenix area. Wow.

838
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a sad bit of trivia here

839
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,480
that I just happened to know. Okay, the kid when

840
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:17,400
he's having his dream at the end of the movie

841
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,320
and he's seeing one of those he's seeing Nathan Junior

842
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,320
scoring touchdowns on the football kid who played that older

843
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:30,079
Nathan Junior was tragically murdered in like a street rage

844
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,239
incident when he was only twenty three years old.

845
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,159
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, man, that's terrible. Okay. So casting on The

846
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:46,880
Big Lebowski, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, then they got

847
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,039
Jeff Bridges to play the dude. Yeah.

848
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: Now, I will tell you that they had John Goodman

849
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,679
in mind for Walter the whole time.

850
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they worked with him many times before.

851
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 2: They had Steve you Shimmi the whole time in mind

852
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,239
for Donnie, But they didn't know who they were going

853
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,760
to have play the dude, right, top contender mil Gibson.

854
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that. Yeah, he didn't really take it seriously. Yeah,

855
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,400
I don't think he quite got the gist of the character.

856
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,199
He would have been wrong.

857
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he has the acting chops to

858
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,199
do it, but he would have been wrong.

859
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: I Mean, we're talking mid nineties. Yeah, this is Martin Riggs.

860
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,599
This is Braveheart Mel Gibson at the peak of his

861
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:30,559
Hollywood powers. Yeah. I think Jeff Ridges did an awesome

862
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,679
job and they didn't need mel Gibson for this.

863
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: No, Jeff, I mean, Jeff Bridges is a force himself.

864
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,800
I mean, but I really props to him because he's

865
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,159
frequently playing the handsome man, right, I mean, he's a

866
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,679
good looking guy and is typically playing that part, and

867
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,039
so he keeps himself in pretty good shape. But when

868
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,360
he got the part and he met Jeff Dowd, he's like, oh,

869
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,400
kind of let my waistline go for this, and they

870
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,400
said they didn't. The only direction that they needed to

871
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,480
give him, and the he would ask for is before

872
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,000
each scene he would go, so, guys, do you think

873
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,599
that the dude burned one down on the way over

874
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,519
to this scene? And they said most of the time

875
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,800
the answer was yes, And so if the answer was yes,

876
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,159
he'd go over the corner and rub his eyes really

877
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,239
hard and then go and do the scene.

878
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Bridges says, he's basically playing himself from the

879
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,960
sixties and seventies. Yeah, he can identify with this character, right, Sure, yeah,

880
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,920
all right, so you mentioned John Goodman. Julianne Moore plays

881
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,519
maud Lebowski. Yes, she got this script while she was

882
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,360
working on Jurassic Park The Lost World.

883
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so glad that she did both, because had she

884
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,480
only done Jurassalic Park The Lost World, I don't know

885
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,960
that her career would have been as successful.

886
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,559
Speaker 1: As it was. Right, So her character was based on

887
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,280
Yoko Ono. Carolee Schneeman.

888
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, CAROLEE Schneman actually created art naked hanging from a string.

889
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: I know. I googled that right before we got started.

890
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,960
I thought this can't be right, is it?

891
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 2: Did you find her work strongly vaginal?

892
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,679
Speaker 1: Sorry? Did they make you uncover word itself? And find it?

893
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:09,599
Hard to say? But, oh my gosh, the Google pictures

894
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,559
that I looked at it was it's just so weird

895
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,440
for me. She's swinging around, just making marks on the floor. Hey,

896
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,280
to each their own. So but this is the one

897
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,519
that really got me. Okay, yeah, so big Lebowski, Yeah,

898
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,519
the big Jeff Leboski, the older man, right, this is

899
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,239
who they wanted for the role. Robert Duvall would have

900
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,760
been great. Anthony Hopkins would have been great. He didn't

901
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,559
want to play an American, which I think is strange

902
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:40,159
because that's what we call acting. Yeah, okay, Gene Hackman

903
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,280
would have been great. Yeah, all these guys, George Scott

904
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:51,159
would have been perfect. Yeah, Jerry fallwell, wow, that's weird. Okay,

905
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,880
stay with me. Andy Griffith, Okay, that was that would

906
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,480
be odd. And then finally Marlon Brando is the guy

907
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,960
they really wanted, but his health wouldn't let him do it. Yeah,

908
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,079
so they end up hiring David Huddleston.

909
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I does a great job blazing saddles. Like

910
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,000
immediately I'm like, oh, there's the guy for blazing saddles.

911
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: But yes, he's brilliant in this. Yeah that is he

912
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,599
wasn't blazing saddles. There you go. Okay, let's talk about

913
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,480
Tara Reid for a second. Okay, Tara Reid in nineteen

914
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,000
ninety eight. Yeah, she's bringing the heat. Yeah that's just

915
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,679
before she went crazy.

916
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: Blow on them to blow on Yes, I can't blow

917
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,119
that far.

918
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Remember her. She had that TV show

919
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,840
Terodise where she was in a reality show on VH

920
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,800
one and it's all about her just being crying. Did

921
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,679
not watch Terrordise. I didn't watch Arodise either, but I

922
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,679
mean she lost her mind in the eighties.

923
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: In the nineties, yeah, yeah, but she was. She was

924
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,239
very young and beautiful and the perfect trophy wife back then.

925
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:58,559
Speaker 1: For the character of Bunny Labowski. They wanted Charlie's star

926
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,239
and you know, would have been a good choice. I mean,

927
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,559
she would have been a good choice.

928
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Speaker 2: You know, interesting comparison of the two main female characters

929
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:13,039
in this. You've got Maud, this headstrong independent feminists and

930
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,960
the trophy wife and infomaniac.

931
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: Right, And when you talk about Maud, when I'm watching

932
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:22,480
her do those weird things in bed and I'm like,

933
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,000
what's she doing? And then I realized, oh, she's trying

934
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,400
to get pregnant. Yep, okay. And then of course you've

935
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,800
got John Tuturo as Jesus. By the way, Sam Elliott,

936
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they had in mind the whole time.

937
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,519
Speaker 2: Of course, Now, Sam Elliot, you know you've we've talked

938
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:37,760
about this being a Raymond Chandler thing, and then you've

939
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,239
got these unusual hippie character and Vietnam vet bowling and

940
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,199
this random adventure. But the movie starts off with a

941
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tumbleweed and the narration by the most Southern drawl narrator

942
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,960
that you can imagine, perfect voice.

943
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: You're just like, what is this a Western? What is

944
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,039
this here? Right?

945
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's this great comparison of the Do and

946
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,159
his anti herooness and the standard American cowboy.

947
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,119
Speaker 1: And Sam Elliott didn't get it. It didn't matter.

948
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: He's just got to say his lines and act like

949
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Sam Elliott, just like the cowboy. But he's like, I

950
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,000
really don't understand what I'm doing.

951
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: But he was there for two days. He shot his

952
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,360
parts in two days. Two days. There you go. Sometimes

953
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,000
you eat the bar, sometimes the bar each you. Okay,

954
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:28,440
that's pretty much what I have for the cast. But

955
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,400
I do have a nugget that I want to blow

956
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,519
your mind with. Okay, Okay, I'm excited. Okay. So the

957
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Big Lebowski Mansion, Yes, is a famous filming spot in

958
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,039
Beverly Hills. Okay. So it is a stand in for

959
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,360
a lot of quote unquote rich people's homes in movies

960
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,519
and stuff like that. Okay. It's actually owned by the

961
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,519
city of Beverly Hills. Oh Okay, it's called Graystone Mansion. Okay, Okay.

962
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,159
It's actually very very close to the Playboy mansion. It's

963
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,719
like you can see it from the front lawn or whatever. Nice.

964
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,920
That's perfect. Okay. So it has starred as the rich

965
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person's home in these movies all of me. Gold Member

966
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,599
Death becomes her Ghostbusters two, which we did with the

967
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guys at the film by podcast.

968
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Speaker 2: Yep, which I'm trying to remember. I can't remember a mansions, don't.

969
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Speaker 1: I don't really remember that either. Maybe it's like where

970
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,320
they were doing the artwork or something. Maybe yeah, maybe

971
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,599
Indiecent Proposal, Spider Man one, two and three. You mentioned

972
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:34,159
Sam Raimie, Yeah, yeah, perfect x Men yeah, okay, okay.

973
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And these music videos okay, brace yourself here, I Do

974
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Anything for Love by meat Loaf Okay. And a video

975
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,400
that we've talked about before, Oh, Pretty Woman by van

976
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,679
Halen was shot at the Greystone Mansion. Wow. The van

977
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Halen video where the midgets are assaulting that woman at

978
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,760
the beginning of the video. That's awesome. The big Olebowski mansion.

979
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,440
That's fantastic, man, that is great. Okay.

980
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: So my only bit of trivia for this last little bit. Yeah,

981
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,559
the car that was actually stolen that belonged to Peter

982
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,920
x Line, that was found by Lewis Abernathy was a

983
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,280
Chrysler LeBaron, and that's what they wanted to use for

984
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,239
the movie, but John Goodman was too big to fit

985
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,880
inside of it, and so they had to use a

986
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Ford tourn.

987
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh Man, John's lost some weight since then.

988
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: He I'm sure he could fit inside the LeBaron at

989
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,280
this point, but I just thought that was interesting.

990
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Speaker 1: He was a big dude. It was a big dude.

991
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, that does it for the first part of

992
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,159
our raising Arizona Versus The Big Lebowski episodes come back

993
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,280
next week. We're going to talk to you about production itself.

994
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,719
We're going to talk to you about composers and the

995
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,679
music used in the movies, and our final judgment on

996
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,840
which of these two movies is the best Coen Brothers

997
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,480
movies of the eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 1: Come back next week.