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<v Speaker 1>We're in waiting.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back midnight viewers to midnight Viewing. I'm following alone

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a very special episode this week. Why

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<v Speaker 2>what huh? It's comic book related. And joining me here

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it is our resident noise Junkie, the

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<v Speaker 2>host of Night, mister Walter it was a taxi podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and the composer of everything You're gonna hear at the

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<v Speaker 2>weirding Way Media Network. Mister HP, how are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, but just don't make me angry, because you

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't like me when I'm angry fo them alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, that was That's like a dad That's a really

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<v Speaker 3>bad dad joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, but it's appropriate for what we're talking about tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>because what we are talking about tonight is the Trial

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<v Speaker 2>of the Incredible Hulk from nineteen eighty nine. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>TV movie, the second TV movie since the cancelation of

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<v Speaker 2>the series. They had the Return of the Incredible Hulk

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<v Speaker 2>right before this with Thor. That's right, Thor showed up

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<v Speaker 2>in that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I say I much prefer going into this? I

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<v Speaker 3>have to say I much prefer the Incredible Hulk returns

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<v Speaker 3>because okay, it was so.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm going to stop you right there because we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna get to why we're talking about this. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I brought wapstraxotic about that fucking horrible that Dono

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<v Speaker 2>the Donald Blake thing. Next week over there on the

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Plus Networks, Marvel is reintroducing Daredevil to the world,

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<v Speaker 2>the most successful version of Daredevil.

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<v Speaker 3>HB.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're a deep Daredevil fan. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get into that. You are. You love Daredevil more than

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<v Speaker 2>any other superhero. It's on my favorite You are on

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<v Speaker 2>record as that. Are you looking forward to the new reboot?

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<v Speaker 3>I absolutely am looking forward to it. I think original

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<v Speaker 3>the When I say original, the first Daredevil series was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>I absolutely love Vincent Andofrio as Kingpin. So that's reason

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<v Speaker 3>enough for me to want to see this. But to

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<v Speaker 3>your point that this is the best and frankly what

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<v Speaker 3>you only one of two renderings of Daredevil in pop

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<v Speaker 3>culture actually three, counting Ben Affleck as Ben Affleck as Daredevil.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me? So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. How

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<v Speaker 3>about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm dying to state it. Can't wait. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I thought that was the best thing that

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<v Speaker 2>came out of Marvel Television. I thought every other series

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the ball in one way or but Daredevil was

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<v Speaker 2>always really great. And that's where we got our Punisher.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm totally cool with them introducing all the characters

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<v Speaker 2>on his show as a form of spinoffs, but as

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<v Speaker 2>a way of a tribute a primer. We do this

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<v Speaker 2>every time. Primer. I'm saying for next week's Daredevil reborn,

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<v Speaker 2>is that what it's called? What's it called? Daredevil? I

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<v Speaker 2>you can come on life ever last called something catholic

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<v Speaker 2>basically born again.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it, born again. You're right, it is. There is

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of Catholicism to.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that ain't calicism. That's fucking Those are the crazy Baptists,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Anyway, So to commemorate that series coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking back to the very first appearance of Daredevil

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<v Speaker 2>on the screen, not counting his animated appearance in Spider

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<v Speaker 2>Man and Amazing Friends back in nineteen eighty two or three.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

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<v Speaker 1>David Benner wanted to end the running. He wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>live in peace. You have to stop something, but once

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<v Speaker 1>again they made him angry. Maybe angry enough to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm along in a cage now imprisoned. He will

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<v Speaker 1>struggle to hide the fury within him, but he will

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<v Speaker 1>not succeed. I can't stand trial.

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<v Speaker 2>You had no.

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<v Speaker 1>Choice, because now David Benner faces his greatest trial, the

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<v Speaker 1>Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

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<v Speaker 2>Hb It's nineteen eighty nine. Are you watching the Trial

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<v Speaker 2>of the Incredible Hulk?

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<v Speaker 3>The original series with Bill Bixby was probably a slightly

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<v Speaker 3>before my time. I think I was a little too

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<v Speaker 3>young to really. I mean, look, all we wanted as kids,

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<v Speaker 3>father Malone, was to watch the Incredible Hulk hulk out

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<v Speaker 3>and mess stuff up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a little too little of that in the

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<v Speaker 3>original series for me, but Luf Forarigno as the Incredible

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<v Speaker 3>Hulk was iconic for me. So yes, absolutely, I was

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward to seeing this. As I said before, I

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<v Speaker 3>loved The Incredible Hulk Returns and I was hoping for

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<v Speaker 3>more of the same here.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about The Incredible Hulk Returns. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>the movie that preceded this one and then did well

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<v Speaker 2>enough to inspire another one, but only as another backdoor pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>because was not that The Incredible Hulk Returns was in

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<v Speaker 2>fact a backdoor pilot for Thor. What is it about

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<v Speaker 2>that first one you love so much? Before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to your favorite superhero character, Daredevil?

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<v Speaker 3>It was so much fun. Look, I wasn't expecting to

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<v Speaker 3>see a comic accurate depiction of Thor, nor did we

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<v Speaker 3>get that in any way, shape or form, Because originally

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<v Speaker 3>this is going back to Journey into Mystery. Thor had

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<v Speaker 3>been bent to the earth as Donald Blake by Odin.

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<v Speaker 3>He forgot who he was a lame And when I

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<v Speaker 3>say lame, I mean somebody who had who couldn't walk,

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<v Speaker 3>who had a cane named Donald Blake, who was secretly Thor,

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<v Speaker 3>And through various machinations, he finally figures out who he

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<v Speaker 3>is and the cane. He strikes the cane and he

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<v Speaker 3>becomes Thor. But that's not what we get in The

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible Hulk Returns. You get it's Donald Blake is like

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<v Speaker 3>an explorer or a scientist, father alone, and he finds

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<v Speaker 3>Flor's hammer and an excavation. Go into that A little

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<v Speaker 3>bit me.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing. Man, I watched this when it came out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw never to watch it again. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>made him Donald Blake turning into Thor. He was in

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<v Speaker 2>a situation where he couldn't make a lot of noise

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<v Speaker 2>and he has to say odin when he turns into

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<v Speaker 2>Thor and he whispered yells it like that.

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<v Speaker 3>HP.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that one ended, because I turned

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<v Speaker 2>it off at that point.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no The thing that The Trial of Incredible Hulk

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<v Speaker 3>has over this is there's an actual villain, like a

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<v Speaker 3>nemesis for the Hulk and for his superhero of the week.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the in Returns there's not much of a villain.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Thomerson is actually the villain, if you can believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Charles Napier is in there somewhere from the Good Old Boys,

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<v Speaker 3>from the Blues Brothers. He's a henchman. But the point

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<v Speaker 3>I was making was Donald Blake and Thor in this

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<v Speaker 3>version are two separate entities. They coexist at the same time. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>Blake summons Thor to kick ass, and then he says

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<v Speaker 3>odin again and he gets sucked away to whatever dimension

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<v Speaker 3>he resides until he needs him again. Anyway, they team

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<v Speaker 3>up with the Hulk and have all these fun little

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<v Speaker 3>misadventures and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>In a nutshell terrible. Okay, let's move on, We're I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's look, it's not gonna win any awards, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody says we got to turn Marvel's Daredevil into a series.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the second attempt to turn it into a

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<v Speaker 2>live action series in the nineteen eighties. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>they attempted back in nineteen eighty one but couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>any buyers. So here's another chance. We got a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of juice from the Hulk left, Let's squeeze it

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<v Speaker 2>till it's green gow on the floor. It's so they

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<v Speaker 2>can conct the Trial of the Incredible Hulk. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>always called the try? I love the Incredible Hulk.

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<v Speaker 3>You wonder I don't know about this precious little trial

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<v Speaker 3>going on in this The only trial I can think

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<v Speaker 3>of is a dream sequence that David Banner has when

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<v Speaker 3>he's afraid he's going to hulk out if he's forced

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<v Speaker 3>to testify. But there's to my knowledge, there's never any

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<v Speaker 3>other courtroom appearances in the whole movie. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why they called it that, To be.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair, it's so they could call it the Trial of

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<v Speaker 2>the Incredible Hulk and they can make that crazy poster

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<v Speaker 2>with him on the stand, raising his arms and howling,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everyone will tune in. It's like, mister Smith

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Smith is at a pun. Are you making a

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<v Speaker 3>pun about the actor who played Matt Murdoch?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we talking about Rex Smith, the one and only?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, where do we know Rex Smith from?

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<v Speaker 3>We would know him from Street Hawk, which was like

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<v Speaker 3>Night Rider but with motorcycles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I loved Street Hawk. I watched every episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Street Hawk.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Jesse Muck, an ex motorcycle cop, injured in

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<v Speaker 4>the line of duty, now.

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<v Speaker 2>A police troubleshooter.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been recruited for a top secret government mission to

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<v Speaker 4>ride street Hook, an all terrain attack motorcycle designed fight

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<v Speaker 4>urban crime, capable of incredible speeds up to three hundred miles,

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<v Speaker 4>and all an immense firepower. Only one man, Federal agent

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<v Speaker 4>Norman Tuttle, knows Jesse Mark's true identity, Man Machine street Hook.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so much more versatile. I thought that motorcycle

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<v Speaker 2>than Kit you could get into tighter spaces. Kit was

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<v Speaker 2>it said the Simpsons joke where it's a jet boat

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, we'll take that canal. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>always a Canal, who was.

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<v Speaker 3>The actor who played his tech, the guy who was

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<v Speaker 3>in the home base who helped Rex Smith do his thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Joe Rego Buto, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Rego Bhutto. He came up on another podcast that

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<v Speaker 3>you and I do night, mister Walters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't that we didn't talk about him once? Joe Rigobutto.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It seems like we probably just talked

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<v Speaker 2>about him at some point in our lives. Can't. He

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<v Speaker 2>must have been in a superhero thing or two.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing I can ever think of with him

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<v Speaker 3>was Murphy Brown and Street Hawk. That's pretty much it.

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<v Speaker 3>He might have been in Star Trek. He seems like

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who would be made up as a as an alien.

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<v Speaker 2>And I certainly remember him hunting down Mark from Orc.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that so like alien bounty hunter and came to

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<v Speaker 2>fuck with Mark's life and put them on the run

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. You remember that, like Mark real his existence

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<v Speaker 2>as an alien on Earth just to get away from

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<v Speaker 2>Joe regelbutto Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's not forget Mark once upon a time was a

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<v Speaker 3>villain himself in Happy Days?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he really a villain? He was just puppeteering the

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<v Speaker 2>fawns around a little bit. He didn't mean no harm.

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<v Speaker 3>They had a thumb off right. He had the stronger thumb,

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<v Speaker 3>and the fawns was victorious.

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<v Speaker 2>No orc and thumb will defeat a terran thumb I

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<v Speaker 2>tells you.

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<v Speaker 3>Cannot stand but no. I to be honest, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember a lot about Street Hawk, but I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 3>I was glad to it for the six months or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever that it ran on television.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Rex Smith, he was the star of Streamhawk. I

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<v Speaker 2>also remember him from that film version of the Pirates

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<v Speaker 2>of Penzance with Linda Ronsten, which I thought he was

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<v Speaker 3>I think he actually had a lot of talent. I

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<v Speaker 3>the guy was really talented. I think he's sang really well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's a decent actor. I think he's actually well,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll talk about it, but he's in this. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>So it seemed like the nineteen eighties there seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a proliferation of these super handsome, matinee idle soap

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<v Speaker 2>opera type looking guys who couldn't get a fucking job.

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<v Speaker 2>If they had come up in the fifties or the sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they would have been huge stars. But for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, their looks are working against them at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rex Smith's falls four square into that. For me,

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<v Speaker 2>I dismiss him, I think just because of the way

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<v Speaker 3>and in his case, I think it's not fair, because

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<v Speaker 3>I do think there certainly have been no shortage of

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<v Speaker 3>in his case, like I said, I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>in a different time, a different place, maybe he would

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<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for dismissing him because rewatching this, I

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<v Speaker 3>I agree one hundred percent. This is probably one of

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<v Speaker 3>my least favorite of the Incredible Hulk TV movies, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I went into it with a lot of trepidation,

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<v Speaker 3>but I totally agree. I thought he comports himself really well.

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<v Speaker 3>Any you know, there's some interesting choices for the costume

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<v Speaker 3>and the character, but he does the best with what

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<v Speaker 3>not due to Rex Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>The movie takes place effectively, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>are they even attempting to give us New York.

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<v Speaker 3>It's they really don't. It's at one point they're in

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<v Speaker 3>the subway and it's the cleanest subway that I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 3>which immediately in my mind marks it as a Canadian production.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this is so Canada, right from the

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<v Speaker 2>opening field where they're out there digging. My point being

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<v Speaker 2>is I think just Rex Smith. Had he been in

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<v Speaker 2>a better production of Daredevil, a more true to the

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<v Speaker 2>comic book, more modern version of Daredevil, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>would have been fine. I would have watched week after week.

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<v Speaker 3>The frustrating part for me, I think is the obvious

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<v Speaker 3>deviations they made from just the way the character looks

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<v Speaker 3>like the potonic ideal of how Daredevil is supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be costumed. For me is the red costume with the

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<v Speaker 3>little horns on top, the little d insignia on his chest,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the yellow and black one is maybe another one,

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<v Speaker 3>but they go And also the fact that Matt Murdoch

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<v Speaker 3>wears those sunglasses everywhere he goes. But it's as if

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<v Speaker 3>they made a conscious effort to go against the grain

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<v Speaker 3>of every one of those choices, right, so instead of

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<v Speaker 3>a red or yellow and black suit, it's fully black,

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<v Speaker 3>no horns on the head. He doesn't wear sunglasses or

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<v Speaker 3>glasses through the whole thing, but he does. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 3>he does a good job of conveying the character's blindness.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wish they had hewed a little closer to

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<v Speaker 3>the textbook idea of what Daredevil's supposed to look like.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think I could have gotten behind the

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<v Speaker 2>ninja outfit, which is what they've put him in here

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<v Speaker 2>if the mask didn't look like it rolled down in

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<v Speaker 2>the front and therefore protruded. It looked like he was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a pair of blue blocker sunglasses under it, and

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<v Speaker 2>in fact I thought he did have goggles under there.

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<v Speaker 2>So when he finally took the mask off, I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>the mask just is bulky and weird like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a strange look because it's almost as if

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<v Speaker 3>he had the mask, but then he felt the need

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<v Speaker 3>to add a piece that covered his eyes after the fact,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's like bolted on to the head piece proper.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like he used magic tape that's literally adhesive instead

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<v Speaker 2>of actually doing the sewing.

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<v Speaker 3>I got used to that pretty quickly after, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a few minutes of watching him do used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got used to that suit.

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<v Speaker 3>It was well, because I mean, what am I gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do just sit here and grumble about it. I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to try and lose myself in the movie a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>so I wasn't going to let that hinder my enjoyment.

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<v Speaker 3>I took note of it. I said, well, that's there's

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<v Speaker 3>no going back and fixing that, so let's just appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>it for what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That suit ain't gonna break your stride, and now we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta keep moving. So that's our day, our devil. He

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<v Speaker 2>is the reason we're here. Our lead, however, is of

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<v Speaker 2>course the returning and director of this particular piece, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Bixby as David Banner. You want to tell them why

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<v Speaker 2>he's called David Banner instead of Bruce Banner, like we

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<v Speaker 2>all know him as.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my understanding that I think he was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the producers didn't like alliterative names like like Lois Lane

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<v Speaker 3>or Bruce Banner in this case, so the decision was

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<v Speaker 3>made to make a David Bruce Banner. So it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>that bb thing. That's it. That's what I dug up. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The story that stan Lee told, of course, is that

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<v Speaker 2>the producer who he spoke to told him Bruce is

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<v Speaker 2>a gay name, and we're not going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>gay named character on our show. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>David Bruce Banner.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have your Bruce, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I didn't come across that. That's terrible, isn't it. Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>But it's nineteen eighty nine or whatever, so maybe it's

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<v Speaker 3>not totally surprising. Things were a lot less enlightened. But

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<v Speaker 3>I prefer to think of my sort of explanation over that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that logic is the shark from John's gay. According

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<v Speaker 2>to this producer, he is, we get Bill Bixby back.

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<v Speaker 2>We all love Bill Bixby. He shouldn't have directed this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're can agree with me on that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of weird direct directing choices in this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very cheaply it's a very cheap looking production,

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<v Speaker 3>which is not necessarily a reflection of his directorial style.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I would say he's probably he'd probably reached

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<v Speaker 3>the point in his career where he's you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>if you want me to come back for your silly

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<v Speaker 3>TV movie, I'll do it. But not only am I

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<v Speaker 3>going to produce it, but I'm going to direct this fucker.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. That was the clout that he had,

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<v Speaker 3>and I can appreciate that he wanted to make that

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I think he wanted to get paid as many

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<v Speaker 2>times as he could on this product because he knew

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<v Speaker 2>that the whole thing was going away. And while I

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<v Speaker 2>admire his hustle and I do think he deserves more

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<v Speaker 2>than he got from that series, overall, his direction is awful.

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<v Speaker 2>The action sequences here are terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of high speed shutters, the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of effect that you would have on your average home

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<v Speaker 3>video camcorder. I know I had that. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of strange canted angles and surreal sort of zooms into

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<v Speaker 3>people's faces, and there's a we'll talk about Kingpin obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's this obsession with photographing Kingpin's face with the

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<v Speaker 3>sunglasses and having some sort of unique reflection off of it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's it's very showy the direct the directing is like

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<v Speaker 3>very showy.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, yeah, but supporting nothing. Steven Spielberg used to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to think that I got the job because

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<v Speaker 2>I knew where to put the camera. But it's because

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<v Speaker 2>he knows how to tell a story. You can can't

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<v Speaker 2>the angle all you want, but when the pacing is

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<v Speaker 2>as glacial as it is here the chase of the

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk, when he first shows up in the subway

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<v Speaker 2>sequence which we'll get to, the police chase him. They

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<v Speaker 2>are walking slowly, he's walking slowly. He comes around a

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<v Speaker 2>corner in an alleyway and just meanders slowly to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the alleyway, and then is God. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we get the same shot of the police doing it

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<v Speaker 2>from a higher angle, and it's what is happened? What

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<v Speaker 2>this is like a ninety minute movie? Why are we

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<v Speaker 2>spending two to three minutes on this no chase?

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<v Speaker 3>I think part of the problem is if you looked

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<v Speaker 3>at just the story, there's about forty five minutes worth

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<v Speaker 3>of actual storytelling happening here. The story, there's precious little

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<v Speaker 3>story going on which I know we'll talk about, so

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of that. Maybe frankly, he might

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<v Speaker 3>be patting the duration of the movie a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>by putting in these unmotivated shots of cops walking around leisurely.

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<v Speaker 3>And but and also to be fair, there's this, from

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, there's precious little Hulk in this movie also,

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<v Speaker 3>which we'll get to. So maybe the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>hands on as a director and thought that this was

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<v Speaker 3>he was feathering his cap a little bit by doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Typical series start here, David Banner in a field,

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<v Speaker 2>digging a ditch.

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<v Speaker 3>The buddiest, grossest ditch you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>And what looks like the coldest day of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>and just with Rubes and he's Here's what I learned

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<v Speaker 2>from watching this sequence. It made me realize that entire

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<v Speaker 2>television series, and by the way, I watched it pretty

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<v Speaker 2>religiously when I was a kid, that entire series was

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<v Speaker 2>based on frustration, because it's really about watching David Banner

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<v Speaker 2>get kicked around for forty five minutes and then the

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk comes out and settles everyone's hash.

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<v Speaker 3>That might be part of the reason why I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>love the show is because he's so every episode that

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<v Speaker 3>they're coming up with new ways, effectively for Banner to

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<v Speaker 3>be bullied into finally having no choice but to become

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<v Speaker 3>the Hulk and set things right. But this was really egregious,

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<v Speaker 3>this particular version of it, because this rube like they're

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<v Speaker 3>thing the roub does is tug him back so that

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<v Speaker 3>he can't get out of the hole quick enough. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when he finally starts to clamber out of the hole,

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<v Speaker 3>he kicks him back and he falls like full on

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<v Speaker 3>into like water. It's the worst thing, and he's just

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<v Speaker 3>he's having to force himself not to get angry, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's making me angry.

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<v Speaker 2>And that so now I realized that was too much

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<v Speaker 2>frustration for my childhood brain, now that I remember it

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<v Speaker 2>from the original series, because you do, like, nobody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to watch your hero get kicked around, and that series

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<v Speaker 2>was predicated on watching him get kicked around. What they

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<v Speaker 2>decided and it's not a bad idea, is they turned

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<v Speaker 2>the Hulk into the Fugitive. The television series The Fugive

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Banner David Banner is on the run from the authorities,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's hiding undercover in small town, and there's always

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<v Speaker 2>some trouble in town that he gets involved in, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he tries to keep us cool and then he

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<v Speaker 2>fucks everything up.

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<v Speaker 3>What doesn't make sense to me in this case, the

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<v Speaker 3>father balloon is so he has at he's on this farm,

423
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 3>working this farm as a hired hand, and then after

424
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<v Speaker 3>this altercation with this guy who's giving him a hard time,

425
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:24.279
<v Speaker 3>he decides to leave. He's gonna leave the farm. And

426
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<v Speaker 3>they paint this idea that there's some sort of chemistry

427
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<v Speaker 3>with the woman who runs the farm, and she has

428
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<v Speaker 3>a conversation. She says to where are you gonna go?

429
00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:33.839
<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do? And he says, I'm gonna

430
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<v Speaker 3>go to the city. You're telling me this guy who's

431
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<v Speaker 3>so afraid of becoming this unstoppable behemoth and killing somebody,

432
00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:46.440
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna leave the relative isolation of this farm to

433
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<v Speaker 3>go to quote, the big city, where there's so many

434
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<v Speaker 3>more opportunities for him to become angry and hulk out.

435
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.839
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make that. That made no sense to me

436
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<v Speaker 3>at all.

437
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<v Speaker 2>It didn't make any sense now that you up, and

438
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I wrote down during that sequence, every answer he gives

439
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>her is this cryptic answer. It I'm just talking about frustration.

440
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted the woman to just say, would you just

441
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<v Speaker 2>give me a straight answer? What's going on?

442
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

443
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, got to keep moving on. No, he wouldn't.

444
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 3>Yep, got a very much arm's length, and it's clear

445
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 3>like the woman actually there's some interest there. So I

446
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know, but he's got to move on. Like you said,

447
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.880
<v Speaker 3>he's the fugitive. He's got the backpack on his shoulder,

448
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.119
<v Speaker 3>and the sad piano music starts up, and there he goes.

449
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 3>He's hitchhiking his way to the big city.

450
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<v Speaker 2>You bring up the theme song. Let's talk about the

451
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<v Speaker 2>music before we go any further, shall we, Because the

452
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<v Speaker 2>score here the music is by Lance Rubin. When everyone

453
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<v Speaker 2>was complaining about synthesizers in movie and television soundtrack, this

454
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<v Speaker 2>is the soundtrack that they were talking about. Ins that's

455
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<v Speaker 2>twenty one jump Street, tinkly background, rolling sense. But as

456
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 2>annoying as that is, they do work in the theme

457
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:06.920
<v Speaker 2>from the television series, which, come to find out, is

458
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<v Speaker 2>called the Lonely Man theme.

459
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much on the nose there.

460
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.920
<v Speaker 2>It is the melancholic right next to our other obsession,

461
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Angela by Bob Over on Taxi. I think the theme

462
00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>from The Hulk is even sadder than that, And then

463
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.039
<v Speaker 2>to find out all these years that is by design

464
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.920
<v Speaker 2>it is the lonely man theme. And I'm thinking, why

465
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<v Speaker 2>am I so lonely as an adult? Was it implanted

466
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<v Speaker 2>in me as a child by the lonely man theme

467
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 2>on the Hulk?

468
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<v Speaker 3>But see that's the sad sort of piano bit. But

469
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<v Speaker 3>the actual theme that the titles for The Incredible Hulk

470
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.799
<v Speaker 3>was very different though. It was like this sort of

471
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 3>remember that where they show him sitting in the gamma chamber.

472
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Much more biotic man than the sort of plaintive I'm

473
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<v Speaker 2>on the road by my lonesome.

474
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, But that theme got the blood pumping that got

475
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:01.440
<v Speaker 3>you excited to see what the Hulk was going to

476
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.680
<v Speaker 3>do that week, whereas the lonely Man is the typify

477
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 3>by by Banner, I said, hitchhikings down some lonely road

478
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.559
<v Speaker 3>having burned another bridge because of the Hulk.

479
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.880
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird. They hype you up and then send

480
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 2>you away sad.

481
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 3>It's very sad, but it's very effective. It's iconic. Right.

482
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 3>You hear those what like it's four notes, but once

483
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.559
<v Speaker 3>you hear them, you instantly know what they are. It

484
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 3>was up there with the theme from mash as signifiers

485
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 3>that it was time for me to go to bed

486
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:34.240
<v Speaker 3>and get ready for school the next day.

487
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Very sad. I was everyone in the seventies so depressed?

488
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 2>And why were they passing that along with their children?

489
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.240
<v Speaker 3>That's our inheritance. Here we are, we're reaping what we sowed.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, listen, let's get to the city. What city is

491
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>at HB? The city? Baby?

492
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Did they ever call? I guess it's supposed to be

493
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<v Speaker 3>New York because that's where Daredevil is from. Do they

494
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 3>ever actually say New York?

495
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Though? No, it's just the city the city. And that's

496
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 2>because they're not going to be able to have any

497
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 2>landmark incident because we're shooting in Vancouver over the course

498
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>of one month.

499
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very clean city, Oh my, I'll say that.

500
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, Matt Murdoch is really upwardly mobile,

501
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.559
<v Speaker 2>almost a yuppy. Would you call him a yuppy? I'd

502
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>call him a yuppie.

503
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's that's fair at that that time

504
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 3>and place. Sure, he has a beautiful apartment or whatever

505
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 3>he lives in. Yeah, the worst thing that we ever

506
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 3>see is the flophouse that that Banner makes his way to.

507
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.279
<v Speaker 3>But even that is it doesn't look that determined. He's

508
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 3>a code of paint. But it's not that bad.

509
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>That is the friendliest flophouse manager I've ever seen. I

510
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>know he's mister Exposition. He's still let us know that

511
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Wilson Fisk owns that giant steel tower that the the

512
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>marvel of architecture that they keep telling us as a

513
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 2>marvel of architecture. It just seems like the most random

514
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.960
<v Speaker 2>office building.

515
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 3>But he is very friendly. He tries to engage David

516
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Banner in conversation, but he's having none of it. He

517
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 3>just I'm here to sleep and that's it.

518
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Here take my money. I don't want to stay a month,

519
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>they'll stay a week. Don't high pressure me. I'll kill

520
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>you and everyone in the vicinity. We meet Matt Murdoch,

521
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>who they go to paines to let us know he's

522
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 2>blind without showing us is blind by a box drops

523
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>in his closet and he blocks it kind which is weird.

524
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't he catch the box instead of like he

525
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.279
<v Speaker 3>does a karate chop to fling it out of the way.

526
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 3>But why wouldn't he catch it?

527
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Why would the box fall?

528
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's a good question too.

529
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Really weird. And then off to the office Murdoch and Nelson.

530
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, No, that's another deviation from the norm. It's not Foggy,

531
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 3>it's I couldn't even tell you the character's name. He's

532
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 3>a former sergeant in the Army that works for Matt Murdoch.

533
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's that's Al pettyman that The character's name is

534
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Al Pedtiman played by Richard Cummings Junior, and his partner

535
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.359
<v Speaker 2>is Chris de Kline played by Nancy Everhard. So it's

536
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Murdoch in Klein. Is this pathological need of every television

537
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>adaptation before recent superhero dominance where they had to change

538
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 2>literally fucking everything except who the main character is and

539
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>basically his backstory.

540
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>But might that have been a stipulation from Marvel Comics

541
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 3>that obviously they weren't financially where they are now. But

542
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 3>maybe they said, look, we'll let you use the character,

543
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>but you can't it can't be too close to the

544
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:32.400
<v Speaker 3>comic because that might be confusing for our readers. So

545
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 3>instead of having Daredevil BXYZ. Why don't you tweak it

546
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 3>a little bit? They did the same thing with the Thoor.

547
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 3>We already talked about that, so I think there must

548
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 3>have been some agreement that because it doesn't make sense otherwise,

549
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 3>they're changing it just for the sake of changing it.

550
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Nerdier listeners than us, please write to the show father

551
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Malone seventy one at gmail dot com if you know

552
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the backstory as to why they keep doing that or

553
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>kept doing this bullshit. I'd love to know.

554
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 3>It's important to take moment and just reflect on the

555
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.559
<v Speaker 3>fact that this was a time where the idea of

556
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 3>a Marvel adaptation was very different than it's been for

557
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the last what fifteen years or so. This is bottom

558
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 3>of the barrel budget stuff, as we already talked about.

559
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>They're filming this thing in Vancouver to pass for New

560
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 3>York on the cheapest of budgets, and this is the

561
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Incredible Hulk, this is one of their marquee characters. Think

562
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 3>about that, how different it is now and now you

563
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 3>have these big budget extravaganzas, or at least we used

564
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>to from the Marvel movie wing. It's amazing to think

565
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 3>that at one point this is the best they could do.

566
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine a heist looking like this in a

567
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>current Marvel film? Oh my god, I would agree with

568
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.200
<v Speaker 2>everyone that Marvel should hang it up. They think they're

569
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>being super high tech here too, which is crazy. It

570
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>is a group of criminals who all are all stationed

571
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>within a jewelry store and at the last second they

572
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>put on their masks. What why didn't you walk in

573
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>with your masks? First of all? Then they slapped the

574
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 2>bulkiest cameras around. They all have ear pieces in and

575
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.079
<v Speaker 2>they're being directed by a mysterious voice that is very familiar.

576
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I liked the sequence in a Isn't this a joke?

577
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 3>I did too. It was a little bit slap dash,

578
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 3>but I mean, it's no Ocean's eleven. That's what they

579
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.559
<v Speaker 3>were going for. Because there's all these obscure handoffs of

580
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 3>the jewelry, and there's someone who's pretending to be a

581
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.559
<v Speaker 3>homeless woman who sets off a smoke bomb and a

582
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 3>car and they put it in her cart and someone

583
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 3>takes her from the car.

584
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Content Because you know what, this actually reminded me very

585
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 2>much of a movie from around the same time that

586
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>was Johnny Handsome, The Walter Hill flick Yeah, Yeah, York,

587
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>where they have a very similar snatch and grab sequence,

588
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>including a car as decoy outside with an explosive and

589
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 2>the car. Wow, maybe they've ripped it off from this movie.

590
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>They've created diversion. Outside, They've got a car smoking and

591
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.799
<v Speaker 2>a homeless woman a plant who is drawing everyone's attention

592
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to the car, right, and then the criminals exit the building,

593
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>taking off their mask, running like the fucking Keystone Cops

594
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 2>in every direction. If they had symbols in their hands,

595
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>they would have been crashing them together on the way up.

596
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Why even have a diversion if you're going to behave

597
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>that way. I laughed out loud at the manner in

598
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 2>which they were exiting that bank or that jewelry store.

599
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>It was pretty silly. And the fact that ultimately those

600
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 3>two criminals end up escaping via the subway like they're

601
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.599
<v Speaker 3>giggling and like rubbing their hands, I mean, they're so

602
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 3>obviously up to no good. It didn't make any sense

603
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 3>to me that. I mean, I guess that's just the

604
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 3>logic of the movie, but yeah, it's But the thing

605
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 3>of it is, ultimately this heist means nothing in the

606
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 3>context of the movie, because the whole movie is really

607
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 3>about what happens after the heist when they're on this subway.

608
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, this is where the action really begins because okay,

609
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>first to the point that we meet our two thuggy

610
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>characters here who are going to be the sort of

611
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>catalyst for the rest of them. Okay, they are low

612
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.759
<v Speaker 2>level morons who work for Kingpin. They are not only

613
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>part of that group that comes running helter skelter out

614
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>of the thing, basically screaming, look at me, I robbed

615
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>the place. They continue running down the street into the

616
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>subway station, down the stairs, through the subway station, still

617
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>basically calling attention to themselves, before they turn into the

618
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>stock eighties fucking with you on the subway. Bernie Getz

619
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>is in the air.

620
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Villains exactly exactly, and they happen unfortunately for everyone involved.

621
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<v Speaker 3>They pick the same subway car as David Banner. I

622
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 3>don't know why he's there. He's just riding the subway

623
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 3>because he's looking moody.

624
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>In the city. Is going to find some radiation or something, right.

625
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>So they, in typical eighties Lackey fashion, they fixate on

626
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.400
<v Speaker 3>the one pretty woman on the subway car just someone

627
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 3>who's minding their own business. This I don't. I couldn't

628
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 3>even tell you the actress's name, to be honest, you

629
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 3>probably have it.

630
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.360
<v Speaker 2>There I do. It's Marta Dubois.

631
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Was she in anything else that I would know her from?

632
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Because I could not stand her?

633
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 3>She was pretty bad, I agree, But basically they typical

634
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.519
<v Speaker 3>TV villains. They fixate on this woman and they start

635
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 3>harassing her awfully, like one of them basically wants to

636
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 3>have his way with her right there in the car.

637
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>My god, everything in the eighties in action involved an

638
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>attempting rape. It's just so crazy as a fucking plot motivator.

639
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.360
<v Speaker 3>It's awful. But the whole time David Banner has this

640
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 3>because she's essentially him for help, and David Banner has

641
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 3>this the stock he looks like he has heartburn kind of.

642
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 3>He has this anguish look on his face like I

643
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>want to help you, but I'm really afraid what's going

644
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>to happen? And I think he starts to get up

645
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 3>to leave, and then he has a change of heart,

646
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and then of course then they just beat the crap

647
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 3>out him.

648
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Father. Please, oh young Sky, welco at you.

649
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>In a day we.

650
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Get that moment with David Bruce Banner and he's got

651
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>to get involved. Leave her alone, don't touch that woman.

652
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And then they throw him so hard that he knocks

653
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 2>the loose one of the seats in the subway. Yeah,

654
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>sin set maybe.

655
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 3>Let anyone who's ever been on the subway knows that

656
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 3>those seats are bolted down within an inch of their lives.

657
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 3>You couldn't move it unless you have to, I don't know,

658
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 3>like a steam shovel or something. And they throw the

659
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>guy right through it and it breaks like it's made

660
00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:59.360
<v Speaker 3>of tissue paper. It's crazy.

661
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be a out of that kind of tissue

662
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 2>paper breakage throughout the rest of the movie. Here we go.

663
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 2>He emerges the actual star of the film, lou for

664
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Regno as the Hulk. Let me tell you something, HP. Now,

665
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I have loved all of the recent Marvel Hulk movies.

666
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I even like the look of the Hulk in that

667
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>stupid Angle movie. But so I've loved all of the

668
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 2>iterations before, and now it's one of these situations where

669
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 2>after watching all of the recent Planet of the Apes movies,

670
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of hard to go back and watch the

671
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Masked ones. I watched them because I grew up and

672
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I love them and whatever. But really, after watching real

673
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>apes talking, seeing a guy in a mass mumblesome words

674
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit difficult. So I felt coming back

675
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and watching a loo for Regno just in Green was

676
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be a massive disappointment. How wrong I was.

677
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 2>What a thrill to see him stand up and be

678
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk.

679
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 3>No one does it better than Lou. He's fantastic, He

680
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 3>has presence, you believe him as the Hulk. The weird

681
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 3>thing was I always thought he kind of looked a

682
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 3>little bit like Bill Bixby. I don't know, there was

683
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>something was Maybe it's because they would have those transitional

684
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 3>bits where they would have Bill Bixby have the green

685
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>makeup on and then they kind of transitioned. But I

686
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 3>always thought they were a good pairing in that way.

687
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 3>But don't yeah.

688
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Into commercial they would always show that freeze frame the

689
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>half face half of the faces Bill Bixby half of

690
00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 2>the face as loof for rig Now that might have

691
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 2>been imprinting on your mind. That's the same guy.

692
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 3>It's likely, but but he's he is the Hulk. I mean,

693
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 3>he's not your you know Hulk from like four Ragnarok,

694
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 3>who is you know, twelve feet tall and he can

695
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:46.559
<v Speaker 3>throw you through, you know, a building. But you know what,

696
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.000
<v Speaker 3>in the context of what's going on in this thing,

697
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 3>it makes sense. You know, he's not he's he He

698
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 3>is Bill Bickspeak, bigger, with a lot of muscles, and

699
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, he does his thing. He's great.

700
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.639
<v Speaker 2>He's the best special effect in the movie.

701
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, which is the way. But that is a very

702
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 3>low bar to get over, I will say, because this

703
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 3>isn't really that's not the forte of this movie. But

704
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.719
<v Speaker 3>if there's any reason for me to watch this, lou

705
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 3>for Igno as the Hulk is the reason, because everything

706
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 3>goes to eleven when you see Forigno on screen.

707
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>This is the moment where I felt the pain of

708
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 2>their budget restraint, because it occurred to me that if

709
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 2>you were to just simply build Sense a little smaller

710
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>in scale and have loof for Igno stand on them,

711
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 2>they would achieve the same effect that they're getting from

712
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>the CGI Hulks. It's a good point if they just

713
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 2>spent a little more time thinking about forced perspective before

714
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 2>they went and shot any of their Hulk scenes, which

715
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>are we're talking minutes out of a ninety five minute movie.

716
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>The Hulk is on screen for maybe what seven eight minutes?

717
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 3>There's this precious little Hulk in this So yeah, I

718
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 3>think they actually forced perspective would have gone a long

719
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 3>way to conveying his size. I think that's a really

720
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 3>good point. But yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's the

721
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 3>kid in me watching that TV show and always hoping

722
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 3>that the Hulk would come out. But Luferegno will always

723
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 3>be the Hulk.

724
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 2>To me, and he fucks these guys up. He takes

725
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the one prick, the redheaded guy who, by the way,

726
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 2>every time I saw him, I kept thinking, why isn't

727
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Matt Murdoch's hair red. He throws that guy through the

728
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 2>doors of the train. He then slides across the floor,

729
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 2>knocking people over like ten pins before slamming into the wall.

730
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>That man is dead.

731
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 3>If not dead, he would be severely disabled from you know,

732
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 3>from all of that trauma to his body. But it

733
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 3>has played a little bit for laughs, I.

734
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Think it is. But apparently they're not dead because that

735
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 2>they are actually the fucking crux of this plot. Somehow,

736
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>these two low level goons.

737
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.599
<v Speaker 3>And that was the surprising and really frustrating thing about

738
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 3>this whole picture is it's not about Kingpin and his

739
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.639
<v Speaker 3>reign of cr in the city. It's not about him

740
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 3>coming up with some elaborate caper. It's ultimately about the

741
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 3>fact that these criminals harassed this poor woman and she

742
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:12.880
<v Speaker 3>is basically the mcguffin that sets the whole plot in

743
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 3>motion because she can identify them. So now they're all

744
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 3>after her. The Kingpin has confederates in the hospital where

745
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 3>she is residing, like the head nurse is a Kingpin associate.

746
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.039
<v Speaker 3>There's the cops are on the take. There's all these

747
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 3>attempts on her life, and only only ones who can

748
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 3>save her are Daredevil and the Hulk basically. But that's

749
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 3>what's crazy about it. It's all about this woman and

750
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 3>how they can get to her and use her as

751
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 3>bait basically, which is very thin.

752
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Hey keep using her for multiple purposes because first of all,

753
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>they get to her and then convince her to change

754
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 2>her story so that Bruce Banner, David Banner was the

755
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 2>one who attacked her and the other guys were defending her, Okay,

756
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>so they've got that going on. Bruce, by the way,

757
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 2>is now in prison because he unhulked, and the police

758
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 2>dragged him in and he doesn't remember where he was,

759
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 2>so he's now on trial because of this woman's testimony

760
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>changed against him. The Kingpin is trying to get these

761
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>guys off and get bran Or convicted, but he's going

762
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to kill Banner in prison. Ultimately, what I'm trying to

763
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>get out here is HP there's a lot of machinations

764
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 2>when really the answer is kill those two goons.

765
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 3>They are the source of all of this aggravation of

766
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 3>Kingpin because if not for them, if they just escaped

767
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 3>the crime scene in a very discreet and quiet manner,

768
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 3>none of this would happen. This woman would have gotten

769
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 3>to where she was going, Banner wouldn't have gotten involved,

770
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 3>and there'd be no crisis.

771
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, there could still be a crisis because

772
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>he's still in prison and Matt Murdock has to get

773
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>him out and he has to investigate Wilson Fisk and

774
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.519
<v Speaker 2>that organization because those guys were part of the organization

775
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and Matt k is already investigating him. That's fine. The

776
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 2>fact that they have to have this damsel in distress,

777
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>this fucking sinkhole of charisma as damsel in distress by

778
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the way. She's actually the character's actually written really well

779
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 2>because she gives as good as she gets throughout the

780
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 2>entire thing. She gives as good as she gets as

781
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.480
<v Speaker 2>nothing more than a fucking object to be capture the

782
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>flagged throughout the entire movie. I liked the character. It's

783
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>just that the actress I could not stand.

784
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the character actually not to say she

785
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 3>has agency, which is always something I bring up. But

786
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't take any of this lying down. She is

787
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 3>very vocal in her opposition to what's happening to her.

788
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 3>But it also, honestly, this all paints the Kingpins organization

789
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>in a very negative light because all they what they

790
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 3>basically have to do initially is kill this woman, and

791
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 3>they failed to do that, so then they kidnap the woman.

792
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 3>All they have to do is kill the woman, okay,

793
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and they fail to do that.

794
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 2>They're going to kill her, but thwarts that, so now

795
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>they're going to kidnap her to lure Daredevil. Evidently the

796
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Daredevil has been such a problem in the city for

797
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Wilson Fisk that he is not he's being considered ineligible

798
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 2>to join some worldwide criminal organization, and he just really

799
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 2>wants to impress them. Now his plan is to capture

800
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and kill Daredevil. That should have been the plan from

801
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the beginning. I don't know why it suddenly comes after

802
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 2>the nurse attack.

803
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 3>It's weird, but that could have been. The whole point

804
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.360
<v Speaker 3>behind the heist is maybe they're trying to lure Daredevil

805
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 3>out of wherever he is and this is a pretext.

806
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 3>There's a million different things that could have done to

807
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 3>make it about Fisk versus Daredevil, but it just seems

808
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It seems lazy to me, and very

809
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.199
<v Speaker 3>much like Kingpin is making up this plot as he

810
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 3>goes along someone who's supposed to be like a mastermind,

811
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 3>a criminal mastermind. I don't see a lot of that

812
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 3>list picture.

813
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of deviations from characters, Okay, let's talk Wilson Fisk,

814
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 2>because that the fact that Wilson Fisk his first reaction

815
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't those bumbling fucking idiots. They nearly ruined everything, and

816
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they're continuing to ruin everything. Make them disappear. Nobody read

817
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 2>a comic. They read a breakdown of a comic, is

818
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 2>what that says to me. Okay, so Kingpin, we've had

819
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a few Kingpins over the ears. We've had pretty good

820
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>kingpins over the ears. Is this a good kingpin? It's

821
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>John Reece Davies. Everyone you remember Salah from Indiana Jones

822
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and Gimli is a Gimli? Yes, from the Lord and

823
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Rings. I act, Well, he's Wilson Fisk

824
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the kingpin here. That sounds exciting, right, We're gonna get

825
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 2>him in the white suit. No? Is he bald?

826
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 1>No?

827
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Does he have a beard yet?

828
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 3>And he's a big fan of the Oakley sunglasses that

829
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 3>were super popular at that time of the eighties, like

830
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 3>every like hose cansako, like baseball players used to wear

831
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 3>those like blades, those ones I'm talking about where you

832
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 3>see them there? That's and I said, Bixby loves shooting

833
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 3>him his sunglasses so that they reflect something like very interesting,

834
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.760
<v Speaker 3>like a bank of monitors that he's looking at.

835
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Or we're getting the techno kingpin here. He basically he

836
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.840
<v Speaker 2>has a bank of monitors. He during the criminal heist

837
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, he's watching through all the cameras that

838
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 2>they've set up and he's directing their every single move,

839
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 2>total control. Freak.

840
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's a voy year, Let's be honest.

841
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 2>He's a voy year in this right, and like you said,

842
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 2>because he's always sitting in front of that bank of monitors,

843
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 2>there's constant close ups of the fucking sunglasses with that

844
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 2>bank of monitors. It's it's the most uninteresting shot that

845
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>we get way too much of.

846
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.519
<v Speaker 3>It's a bummer because we all love John Reyes Davies.

847
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.280
<v Speaker 3>How could you not the man just I'm going to

848
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 3>use another metaphor, he's a poor man's Brian blessed right

849
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.679
<v Speaker 3>basically yeah, but.

850
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>And that'gine Brant blessed as the as Wilson Fisk shaved

851
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>head fat. You can eat as much as you want,

852
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Brian for this role, go to town?

853
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 3>What would that have sounded like?

854
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna do an impression.

855
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Come on, you got it all right, I won't make you.

856
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 3>But I was hoping for I knew just because my

857
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 3>dim recollection that it wasn't very a very satisfying portrayal. Uh.

858
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 3>And I wanted to like it.

859
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 2>The scare devil be like that.

860
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I really wanted to because I love Rhees Davies so much.

861
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 3>But it's not. It's not really Kingpin. It just doesn't.

862
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 3>He's not street wise like Kingpin should be. He's a

863
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 3>little too techno obsessed. He's not as hands on as

864
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 3>I would expect because Kingpin is a tough dude. Kingpin

865
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.599
<v Speaker 3>can fuck you up. He can beat the shit out

866
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 3>of you. I don't get the sense that this king

867
00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:00.199
<v Speaker 3>I think this Kingpin hides behind those monitors in those sunglinves.

868
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 3>That's basically my impression.

869
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>At what a missed opportunity in not doing force perspective

870
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for the Hull, because they could have done the exact

871
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>same thing for Kingpin, reused the same sets, and then

872
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>we could have at least had a couple of punches

873
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>thrown between Fisk and fucking Hulk at the end because.

874
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.039
<v Speaker 3>He basically no spoiler here if you're going to watch this,

875
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 3>but he essentially escapes at the end, Kingpin and his

876
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.440
<v Speaker 3>second in command.

877
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:26.239
<v Speaker 2>In a flying boat.

878
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:31.559
<v Speaker 3>It's the worst special effect of the whole movie, quote unquote,

879
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 3>And that's saying something. It's this sort of.

880
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Movie filled with bad special effects. They save the worst

881
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>for last for last.

882
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 3>But I guess that's just they were hoping to make

883
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.320
<v Speaker 3>this into its own series, And why wouldn't you have

884
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 3>a Kingpin escape? I guess that would have been more satisfying.

885
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>My favorite character in the entire episode Deputy Chief Albert G. Tendelli,

886
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:59.119
<v Speaker 2>played by Joseph Muscalo, the one good cop in the

887
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 2>city who's come to fucking clean up shit. He knows

888
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Fisk is behind this, and he's gonna fucking take him out.

889
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 3>What did I what I have known him from? He

890
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 3>looked very familiar, but I didn't look him up.

891
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He's that prick Peterson in Johns Too.

892
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Ellen, Maybe that's why when I first saw

893
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.679
<v Speaker 3>him in this I had this immediate reaction of I

894
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 3>thought he was going to be a corrupt cop. But

895
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 3>he's actually the one good cop of the bunch, So

896
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 3>maybe that's maybe I just had a bad association from

897
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Jaws two.

898
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 2>He's like a really serious Joseph Bologna kind of Yeah.

899
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I loved that character. I was so happy he was there.

900
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 2>It's the Commissioner Gordon type that just does it for me,

901
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.360
<v Speaker 2>particularly in our fucking current position in the world today.

902
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I like to see people with decency and fucking morals,

903
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was good to see the cop who stood

904
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 2>up for what was right.

905
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 3>He was the guy behind the guy. He was a

906
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 3>daredevil's confidant, right, he's the one who's feeding him information.

907
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't think they had cell phones. I think I

908
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 3>don't remember the apparatus by which he gets ahold of him.

909
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>It didn't show us that he says, he always knew

910
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>how to get in touch with me, and then they

911
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 2>just cut to them meeting. But at the end they

912
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.599
<v Speaker 2>finally give it to us. You hear it. There's he

913
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>just has like a CB.

914
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 3>Breaker breaker one nine.

915
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Hey, this series, you got the Daredevil out there.

916
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.000
<v Speaker 3>He was I agree, he was. It was nice to

917
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.199
<v Speaker 3>see a character like that in this and it gives

918
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Speaker 3>you a little something more to root for as a viewer,

919
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, because the whole, like the whole notion is this.

920
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>It's basically it's like the first Batman movie. This is

921
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 3>a corrupt town. The king Pin owns and everything, and

922
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.840
<v Speaker 3>he runs everything, and he's got cops on the take

923
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.719
<v Speaker 3>and these you know, between this cop and Daredevil Matt Murdoch,

924
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 3>they're the only ones fighting the good fight for the

925
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 3>citizens of New York that I'm doing air quotes with.

926
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, now that the plan has changed, the

927
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt has failed, They've now they've got to go

928
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 2>kidnap her right, And this is my favorite sequence in

929
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the movie, where the woman has now reconsidered she now

930
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 2>knows she needs protection. She calls Matt Murdoch at his office,

931
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:11.239
<v Speaker 2>tell us him I'm in the secure wing. Could you

932
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>come meet me. Yes, I'm on my way, and then

933
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:18.599
<v Speaker 2>hangs up. And then she says to the cop in

934
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the room who's watching her, I'll need to be alone

935
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 2>with him, and the cop leaves. Why are you sending

936
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.519
<v Speaker 2>your cop away? And what kind of a secure room

937
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>has a giant glass wall door that you can access

938
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>from the exterior.

939
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, weren't they implying that cop was also one of

940
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Kingpin's guys too.

941
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 2>The cop there's a good cop, a female cop with her,

942
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 2>and then she leaves another cop in charge, and then

943
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 2>that's the cop basically spirits her away. But the female

944
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.679
<v Speaker 2>cop should have said, yeah, you can have all the

945
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 2>time you want with him when he arrives. I'll be

946
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>right here till then. And when he arrives, I'll be

947
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.079
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of that door watching Not very

948
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 2>secure at all, I'll need to be alone with him.

949
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah when he arrives, dummy.

950
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 3>But alas Daredevil arrives a little too late, and she's

951
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:16.320
<v Speaker 3>to your point, she's been spirited away by Kingpin's confederates.

952
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 3>I think at this point is when Murdoch tries to

953
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 3>browbeat David Banner into taking the stand to basically to

954
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.239
<v Speaker 3>tell what really happened, so that he can be that

955
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.559
<v Speaker 3>one step closer to putting Kingpin away. And of course

956
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 3>Banner thinks this is a terrible idea because he's so

957
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 3>afraid that he's going to hulk out, which then leads

958
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 3>to the only time he's ever actually on trial, which

959
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 3>is a dream sequence that he has where he's on trial,

960
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 3>and it's another surrealistic directorial toward a force, like everybody's

961
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 3>like you're out of order, He's out of it. It's

962
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 3>like injustice for all kind of and all of this

963
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 3>stress makes Banner do his thing. The contact lenses come out,

964
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 3>He hulks out, the contact lenses come out, He upends

965
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 3>the jury box, He throws a lot of people through

966
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 3>a lot of doors and windows.

967
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 2>My favorite part of this sequence is the defense attorney. Yeah,

968
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.920
<v Speaker 2>they're reshuffling his papers over and over again until the

969
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>fucking Hulk descends on him, and then the Hulk grabs

970
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.119
<v Speaker 2>him by the throat and like leans in and I

971
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>was waiting for his head to burst. I wish he

972
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>When they cut to Banner waking up, we had gotten

973
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:37.159
<v Speaker 2>this like a splosh kind of sploshy sound effect.

974
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Because that is like he's on the cusp of killing

975
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 3>this guy with his bare hands by choking him. But

976
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 3>it is. But I did think it was rather amusing

977
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.760
<v Speaker 3>that through this whole sequence, the Hulk is just you know,

978
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 3>waylaying everything in this courtroom. But the defense attorney just

979
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 3>keeps opening and closing his briefcase or his like note

980
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.719
<v Speaker 3>like he has like a little like brief.

981
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Notes together and then put them in the briefcase. It's like, man,

982
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 2>those will be there when you get back run.

983
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.719
<v Speaker 3>I'd be jumping out the window to get away from

984
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 3>this crazy green goliath, but he just can't. These papers

985
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:15.480
<v Speaker 3>are very important.

986
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Apparently the Kingpin is trying to kill Bruce David Banner

987
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>in prison in the laziest manner possible. This horrible sequence

988
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>where they're passing this I don't know. It looks like

989
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>a sharpened tire iron or something the least.

990
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Like a spik. It's a spike that's shaped like the

991
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 3>number seven with a sharp end on the long part.

992
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 2>As dumb as that is, they've got this fucking guy

993
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:43.519
<v Speaker 2>with a mop bucket slowly moving it down. They sell

994
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Block doing this like he's just singing, but he's like,

995
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>we don't have the rights to any song because so

996
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.840
<v Speaker 2>could you just sing something? And so it's a lot

997
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of it's I could not wait for the scene, and

998
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I wanted them to kill Banner meant that the scene

999
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:01.360
<v Speaker 2>could end.

1000
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 3>That was the actual moment where he's almost killed, I admit,

1001
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 3>and actually, for a second it took my breath away

1002
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 3>because what's happened is the banners on the top bunk.

1003
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 3>On the lower bunk is this sort of nebishy looking

1004
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:21.920
<v Speaker 3>prisoner who's taken ownership of this spike to kill Banner,

1005
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And what he's going to do effectively is basically shove

1006
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the spike through the bottom of Banner's bed and stab him.

1007
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 3>And just as he pushes the spike through, a guard

1008
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.079
<v Speaker 3>comes to retrieve Banner to talk to this the one

1009
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 3>good cop. But it's I don't know, it's edited very

1010
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 3>well and it almost looks, wow, he could have actually

1011
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 3>stabbed this guy like it looked. It was a lot

1012
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 3>more realistic than I was expecting the sequence.

1013
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.199
<v Speaker 2>It was a good gang. But all I kept thinking was,

1014
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 2>had that little nebishy guy actually pierced Banner's flash and

1015
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, struck into it one of his shoulder

1016
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.679
<v Speaker 2>blades or something that he wouldn't have gotten far, and

1017
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 2>then Banner would have hulked out and fucking destroyed that man.

1018
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh easily. That would have been the last thing that

1019
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:10.800
<v Speaker 3>guy ever did.

1020
00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>All right, help breaks out of prison where they don't

1021
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.119
<v Speaker 2>show the destruction, but then we get the after effect

1022
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 2>with all the bars bent, which just made me think

1023
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that they took one of the doors if they had

1024
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 2>like in stock and bent all the bars in and

1025
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 2>then brought it to the prison and just installed it

1026
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:24.599
<v Speaker 2>like there it is. Look he escaped.

1027
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.599
<v Speaker 3>That's a lot of guys going, oh, look at all

1028
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.199
<v Speaker 3>this damage. They're leaving it up to the viewer to

1029
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 3>imagine how he actually escaped, And all we're seeing, like

1030
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>you said, is the twisted bars and the mangled door based.

1031
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:40.360
<v Speaker 2>The same radio. Baby, it's television. He's breaking those bars

1032
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 2>over there. Do you see that?

1033
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 3>I do. But at this point he I don't remember exactly,

1034
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 3>but he basically gets back in touch with Daredevil, because

1035
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.960
<v Speaker 3>now they've kidnapped this woman. They're using her as bait

1036
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:01.280
<v Speaker 3>to have Daredevil come and they Daredevil and Bruce or David,

1037
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I should say, collude to figure out how they're going

1038
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.639
<v Speaker 3>to hatch this plan, which I think basically involves Daredevil

1039
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.920
<v Speaker 3>running in and Bruce hanging back.

1040
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Just in case the plan is at all's let's go

1041
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.519
<v Speaker 2>there and then I don't know, you wait here. Maybe

1042
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll run in there. Okay, I'm gonna get this kicked

1043
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 2>out of me. But are you doing anything back there? Bruce?

1044
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>You want to maybe hulk out a little.

1045
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 3>But unbeknownst to Daredevil, Kingpin has rigged this woman in

1046
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 3>this room that she's being held in with like screechers

1047
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:36.480
<v Speaker 3>and bright lights and thirty henchmen that are just waiting

1048
00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.280
<v Speaker 3>to beat him senseless.

1049
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Basically right now, he's going to have video proof to

1050
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.639
<v Speaker 2>prove to all of the Triads or the Order or

1051
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 2>the I don't know what.

1052
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 3>What was the Maggia. The Maggia m a Ggia was

1053
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:52.840
<v Speaker 3>one of the criminal organizations.

1054
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:56.880
<v Speaker 2>My god, so silly. Yeah, Daredevil walks right into this trap,

1055
00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.599
<v Speaker 2>gets his ass handed to him. Hulk does nothing until

1056
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the last they've absconded with the girl. I thought this

1057
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 2>was going to be the finale. I think we were

1058
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 2>three quarters the way through the movie at this point.

1059
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.360
<v Speaker 2>First of all, this is the quickest change back to

1060
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Banner of all time, Like if he could, if he

1061
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 2>can come back to sanity this quickly, then I don't

1062
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>think he has that big of a problem. But anyway,

1063
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.320
<v Speaker 2>as he transforms back into Banner, you get the idea

1064
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 2>that Matt Murdoch is feeling the Hulk's face turn into

1065
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Banner's face, which is a cool concept and I like that.

1066
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I wrote down I really like this movie

1067
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 2>at this point.

1068
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Because earlier, when he's having a conversation with Banner, he

1069
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 3>says to him, can I take your picture? And Banner's like,

1070
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:42.320
<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about? And that's when he puts

1071
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 3>his hands on his face to recognize what he looks like.

1072
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 3>So that leads to that scene you're describing, where he

1073
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:50.239
<v Speaker 3>can wish the ul.

1074
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I wish Banner had said, don't call it that. You

1075
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:56.119
<v Speaker 2>were cited once. What a photograph is? That's not You're

1076
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>just touching my face. Don't call it a photograph anyway.

1077
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 3>So now a devil's been taken down a few pegs.

1078
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 3>He's lost faith in himself because he's this is the

1079
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 3>first time he's been soundly defeated, and he doesn't he's

1080
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 3>afraid of what might happen. So it's up to David

1081
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 3>to convince him a woman's life is in danger. Here buster, Oh.

1082
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 2>How the browbeaten roles have changed.

1083
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 3>But meanwhile, by the way, David is still an escapee

1084
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.119
<v Speaker 3>from prison. But never do we hear or see any

1085
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 3>dragnets being underway to bring this fugitive, this dangerous individual

1086
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 3>back to prison. It it's almost if they just kind

1087
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 3>of shrugged and said, all right, that's fine.

1088
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Would in the first place, they look be the only

1089
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.280
<v Speaker 2>contact the man has in the city, his attorney, the

1090
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.159
<v Speaker 2>one who has been so vociferously trying to get him

1091
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>out of prison.

1092
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:52.760
<v Speaker 3>They just, like I said, they can't be bothered with it.

1093
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Let's move let's move this movie along.

1094
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.039
<v Speaker 2>That's right. They gotta get there. He's got to get

1095
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 2>out of that beard, thank god.

1096
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 3>Finally, Yeah, because the whole up to this point, he's

1097
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:05.400
<v Speaker 3>had this the worst beard ever. And there's no it's

1098
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 3>not an effective disguise because you look at him, his

1099
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:12.039
<v Speaker 3>hair is still the same. He looks the same. He's

1100
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Bruce Banner, he's David Banner with a beard, but there's

1101
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.119
<v Speaker 3>no mistaking who he is at that point. But yes,

1102
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 3>he does shave the beard at that point to escape

1103
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 3>the By.

1104
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Then we've had a couple of Hulk outs and no

1105
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Hulk beard. Total missed opportunity.

1106
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.079
<v Speaker 3>That's a very good point. What would the Hulk look

1107
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:30.199
<v Speaker 3>like with a beard?

1108
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And they made his hair green when they gave him

1109
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that jeth throw wig. The only unfortunate part of The

1110
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk is the Hulk's jethrow wig. But imagine that

1111
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>hair also spouting throw his face just as crazily like

1112
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 2>a parody of zz top.

1113
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.760
<v Speaker 3>That is a great description of his hair. I never

1114
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.719
<v Speaker 3>thought of it like that, but you're right. That was

1115
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 3>one of the One of the funny parts of The

1116
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Incredible Hulk Returns is Thor is fascinated by the Hulk,

1117
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and he keeps he doesn't call him the Hulk, he

1118
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.719
<v Speaker 3>keeps calling him the green Troll. Come on, troll, let's

1119
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.239
<v Speaker 3>get him. I thought that was really funny that you know,

1120
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 3>that's his frame of reference for what the Hulk is.

1121
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 3>He's of course, he's a green troll. That's what Boor knows,

1122
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.599
<v Speaker 3>you know. But I thought it was a good look.

1123
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.000
<v Speaker 3>You're right, the wig is a little wacky, but I

1124
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 3>thought it worked. But the beard may be a missed opportunity.

1125
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.000
<v Speaker 2>We got to get this girl. We got to get her,

1126
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Ellie Mendez. You got to save her. Why I don't

1127
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 2>know anymore.

1128
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:35.119
<v Speaker 3>They've brought her back to Fisk's tower. Now she's being

1129
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.639
<v Speaker 3>kept in this beautiful room with a huge bed with

1130
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:40.559
<v Speaker 3>satin sheets.

1131
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, Now, we haven't talked about this fucking guy yet. Oh.

1132
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.480
<v Speaker 3>He is the second in command of the Kingpin who

1133
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.719
<v Speaker 3>has like a soft spot for Ellie Mendez.

1134
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Edgar is that his name? I believe. So talk about

1135
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:56.440
<v Speaker 2>missed opportunities. So what we end up getting here is

1136
01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Finsk basically says kill the woman to his right hand Edgar.

1137
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Edgar lives with the Kingpin, by the way, because when

1138
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.280
<v Speaker 2>he comes out one night and gets a lesson from

1139
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.719
<v Speaker 2>the Kingpin, he's in like his bathrobe, Like, what's going

1140
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.960
<v Speaker 2>on out here? Oh, go back to sleep, Go back

1141
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to sleep. What is their relationship? First of all, so

1142
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Fisk orders the woman dead, says you go kill her,

1143
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, Noah, I dig this girl, I'm gonna

1144
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.840
<v Speaker 2>spirit her away, and like he puts her in a

1145
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>secure location. He tells Fist that she's dead, but she's

1146
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.639
<v Speaker 2>not dead. So we've got this thing where he's trying

1147
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:32.199
<v Speaker 2>to woo this woman who wants to fucking kill him

1148
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.599
<v Speaker 2>because she's being held prisoner. It's the weirdest sort of scenario,

1149
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and the missed opportunity is why not just make her Vanessa?

1150
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:43.480
<v Speaker 2>How about this woman ends up being the woman who

1151
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 2>falls in love with Wilson Fisk at the end. What

1152
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.320
<v Speaker 2>if she was like, she's the case, She's the whole case.

1153
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:49.840
<v Speaker 2>She can break the whole thing open, and at the

1154
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 2>end she's sorry, guys, he's really I really like this guy.

1155
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Bye. There's no arc to this poor woman's sort of

1156
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 3>journey that she doesn't even have clothes for the majority

1157
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 3>of this picture, she's always she's in the hospital. She's

1158
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.039
<v Speaker 3>in like a neglige, and I think that's what she's

1159
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:08.599
<v Speaker 3>wearing for the rest of the movie.

1160
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Basically, it's a nightgown.

1161
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.840
<v Speaker 3>It's not a nightgown, Okay, A neglige implies it's.

1162
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Your mommy were in the nineteen eighties. It's not Playboy

1163
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Bunny of the week.

1164
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 3>It's not. But my point is like they couldn't at

1165
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.119
<v Speaker 3>least give this poor woman some clothes while she's being

1166
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.960
<v Speaker 3>put in held under duress. She's and then she's got

1167
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.079
<v Speaker 3>henchman here, henchman there, hitting on her like she's the

1168
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.280
<v Speaker 3>most desirable woman that they've ever seen. It's bizarre.

1169
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:38.079
<v Speaker 2>She's not that attractive, including that fucking redheaded prick who

1170
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:40.199
<v Speaker 2>just shows back up again to be a menace.

1171
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the guy who should have been dead, Yeah, the.

1172
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 2>One was he was through subway car doors. Yeah, that guy.

1173
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:49.800
<v Speaker 3>I think they gave him a little bit of makeup

1174
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:51.760
<v Speaker 3>around his nose to make it look like he had

1175
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:52.320
<v Speaker 3>a black eye.

1176
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty much. It like a white bandage on

1177
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 2>his forehead, like just a little taped on there. Oh okay,

1178
01:02:58.840 --> 01:02:59.639
<v Speaker 2>sure he recovered.

1179
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 3>So he pops up again like the prototypical bad penny,

1180
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 3>and then he is he basically is forcing Edgar to

1181
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:12.360
<v Speaker 3>suffocate her with a pillow. It's all very weird.

1182
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:16.800
<v Speaker 2>He says, catch her screams, make sure you catch all

1183
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:19.079
<v Speaker 2>of them, And that was a great line, and that

1184
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:20.280
<v Speaker 2>was actually really chilling.

1185
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Every time someone gives the order to kill this woman,

1186
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Speaker 3>it's got to go through miles and miles of red

1187
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.679
<v Speaker 3>tape until it actually can finally happen.

1188
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 2>It's weird, and the last person they picked to deliver

1189
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the message is either Daredevil or the Hulk.

1190
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Speaker 3>So while this is all happening, David is finally or

1191
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:43.559
<v Speaker 3>David Banner has finally convinced Daredevil that hey, you owe

1192
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 3>to this woman. You've got to do it. I think

1193
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.079
<v Speaker 3>they somehow convey that because all of a sudden, Daredevil

1194
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 3>has the strength to exercise again, Like he has those

1195
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 3>Olympic rings, which is supposed to indicate how strong he is,

1196
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.599
<v Speaker 3>and the last shot of him lifting himself up on

1197
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.440
<v Speaker 3>the rings, giving you this idea that he's back.

1198
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.119
<v Speaker 2>And actually show that your mind filled that in. He

1199
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.320
<v Speaker 2>looks up at the rings and then they show two

1200
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 2>hands grab the rings.

1201
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:12.599
<v Speaker 3>You're right, well, maybe the direction was pretty good, after all,

1202
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 3>I filled in those those gaps myself.

1203
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess the direction was that bad that you had

1204
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 2>to fill in something as simple as what should have

1205
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.079
<v Speaker 2>been him struggling on those rings.

1206
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So now their plan is that they're going to infiltrate

1207
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.840
<v Speaker 3>this tower, the Fisk Tower, which I think is like

1208
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.880
<v Speaker 3>the tallest building in the city. I don't know how

1209
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 3>they're going to do this where it's Daredevil can do

1210
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.880
<v Speaker 3>it because he's Daredevil. But I mean, David Banner is

1211
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:38.960
<v Speaker 3>just the guy unless he's the Hulk.

1212
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, Like, wouldn't you just go here, David?

1213
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:44.679
<v Speaker 2>We're about to go in here. Do you mind if

1214
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I just stab you for a second? Hold on, ah,

1215
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.159
<v Speaker 2>there's the Hulk. Let's go Hulk.

1216
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, at one point, when I think it's when they

1217
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.800
<v Speaker 3>take out the redheaded creep, he's got a gun and

1218
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:58.840
<v Speaker 3>instead of if I were David Banner, I would have

1219
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:00.960
<v Speaker 3>picked up that gun and said, right, I get a

1220
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 3>weapon now. But he kicks it away like they do

1221
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 3>and bad police procedurals. I'm like, what are you kicking

1222
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.800
<v Speaker 3>that away for? Someone's going to pick that up and

1223
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:09.840
<v Speaker 3>use it against you.

1224
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not worried. He can just turn into the Hulk.

1225
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.000
<v Speaker 3>But that he can't turn into the Hulk faster than

1226
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.519
<v Speaker 3>a speeding bullet can reach him.

1227
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 2>Though. It doesn't make any sense what he's even doing

1228
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:22.559
<v Speaker 2>in there. It's crazy. It's like how they got as

1229
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 2>far as by the way, the big organization, the criminal

1230
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Mastermind organization is here. They're in Fisk Tower, this is

1231
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the day of the big presentation to let them that

1232
01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:36.920
<v Speaker 2>they've killed Daredevil and they're totally ready to join that league.

1233
01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 3>I forgot about that part, yeah, because that's the whole

1234
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.840
<v Speaker 3>deal is he wants to show how strong he is,

1235
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 3>so he has them all.

1236
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Would Fisk security be there, but every group who is

1237
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.519
<v Speaker 2>in that meeting of their security would be there. But

1238
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 2>somehow Banner and Murdoch just waltz in through the building

1239
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and just start heading up the stairs. Fisk is showing

1240
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 2>the presentation. Look, here's a video of him being beaten

1241
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.559
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, and it's a The organization is peopled

1242
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:08.480
<v Speaker 2>entirely with old white men in suits, right, so he's look,

1243
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Daredevil is dead. And then of course Daredevil jumps through

1244
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the screen, which is just a thin sheet of styrofoam.

1245
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Their movie screen was a thin sheet of styrofoam, which

1246
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.360
<v Speaker 2>they have an air cannon behind him shooting other pieces

1247
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of styrofoam to make it more dynamic, except the camera

1248
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 2>is placed so ineptly that it just looks ridiculous. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the best part of that is he jumps in and

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01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 2>that gaggle of older white men in suits go running

1251
01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:39.880
<v Speaker 2>out and It's like almost a repeat of the Keystone

1252
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 2>cop sequence from the beginning. These white guys in suits,

1253
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 2>just running crazily in all directions. I almost fell out

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01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:46.880
<v Speaker 2>of the chair laughing.

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<v Speaker 3>You would figure that they would have their own security

1256
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 3>if they're not gonna they're criminals, they don't trust anybody,

1257
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.239
<v Speaker 3>so why wouldn't they at least have one or two

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01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 3>guys with them saying, look, I know you say this

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01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.800
<v Speaker 3>is a secure tower w FISK, but I'm not taking

1260
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:02.480
<v Speaker 3>any chances.

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01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I want my.

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01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Best guys with me with guns. But there's none of that.

1263
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 3>These guys all feel perfectly safe in this building.

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01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 2>And all of the none of our villains have any personality.

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01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.760
<v Speaker 2>They're all dressed exactly the same. They're all just in

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01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.519
<v Speaker 2>black suits with black ties, and they pose is zero

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01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 2>thread at all to anybody, except for that one scene

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01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.000
<v Speaker 2>where they had to have Daredevil beaten up.

1269
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 3>But that's a big reason why I think having Daredevil

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01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 3>dressed all in black for his outfit. It's terrible because

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01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.920
<v Speaker 3>the movie itself is dark to begin with. It's shot

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01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.440
<v Speaker 3>on a video it looks like crap. It's hard to

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01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 3>see what's going on. The action scenes are shot poorly,

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01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.119
<v Speaker 3>like you said earlier, So that's why you'd want to

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01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:50.599
<v Speaker 3>have your hero, your superhero, dressed in something a little

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01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:54.400
<v Speaker 3>more bright and garish. So they pop, they stick out,

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01:07:54.840 --> 01:08:00.480
<v Speaker 3>and you really they add a layer of excitement to

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01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:02.519
<v Speaker 3>the fight scenes. You get none of that here because

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01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 3>it's all just black on black.

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01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just a confusion of black suited people, except one

1281
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of them looks like they're wearing blue blockers underneath their

1282
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 2>mask that's pulled down.

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01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 3>The direction is a real bummer for me because I

1284
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.960
<v Speaker 3>guess I was really pulling for Bill Bixby, knowing that

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01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:21.000
<v Speaker 3>this was the first time that he had the reins

1286
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 3>of one of these productions. So I wanted to believe

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01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 3>that having been a working actor in Hollywood since forever,

1288
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:30.600
<v Speaker 3>the sixties or whatever, that he would have learned a

1289
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.159
<v Speaker 3>thing or two and maybe there was some untapped talent there,

1290
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 3>because I don't know. Do you know if he directed

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01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.279
<v Speaker 3>anything else prior to.

1292
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 2>This Room two two too? The magician Mannix Barbary Coast

1293
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Kate McShane. He's a very workmanlike television director Charlie's Angels,

1294
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.039
<v Speaker 2>The Oregon Trail. Did he die of dysentery?

1295
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know why this was. He has plenty

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01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 3>of credits. You would figure that he would have learned

1297
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.199
<v Speaker 3>a thing or two. He would have maybe had some

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01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 3>interesting concepts, things to apply to as a director, But

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01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I see none of that here, and it was really

1300
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.279
<v Speaker 3>it was a bummer because I wanted it to be

1301
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:11.800
<v Speaker 3>well directed, if nothing directly.

1302
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:13.840
<v Speaker 2>It's thirty episodes of Blossom.

1303
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 3>Wow. I thought he passed a lot sooner than that.

1304
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 3>But I guess was it ninety four I think is

1305
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 3>when he died ninety three ninety three Love American Style?

1306
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Or was he the last film was The Woman Who

1307
01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Loved Elvis starring Tom Arnold and Roseanne.

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01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.479
<v Speaker 3>That's the last thing he directed.

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01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's really sad.

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01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 3>That is really sad. But at the same time, I

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01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 3>think there's nothing wrong with somebody being a working TV director.

1312
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.039
<v Speaker 3>But it's not like he could necessarily pick and choose

1313
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.239
<v Speaker 3>everything that he wanted to do. I guess there's merit

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01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.399
<v Speaker 3>to that. I just wish in this case. I can't

1315
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 3>speak for his other other things that he's directed, but

1316
01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:59.359
<v Speaker 3>in this case it was so inept and just so

1317
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:03.840
<v Speaker 3>disheart to see because it should have He's David Banner,

1318
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the guy should have understood what makes a good Hulk teleplay.

1319
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Work, Like, how about you have the Hulk in your

1320
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.199
<v Speaker 2>finale at the end of this movie.

1321
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I keep talking about it, but not that the incredible

1322
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Hulk returns was this magnum opus. But there was more action.

1323
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:27.319
<v Speaker 3>It was more fun to watch, and it wasn't as

1324
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it wasn't as nonsensical as this was.

1325
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 3>I think I might be misremembering. I'll revisit it as well.

1326
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:36.720
<v Speaker 3>I could be wrong. I could be just thinking about

1327
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.239
<v Speaker 3>it with rose colored glasses. But this was a bummer.

1328
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.199
<v Speaker 3>The bottom line is the direction of this was kind

1329
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.000
<v Speaker 3>of a bummer. I wanted it to be better.

1330
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.680
<v Speaker 2>And just a cherry on the cake. We mentioned it.

1331
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Kingpin escapes with his pal who defied him and tried

1332
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.359
<v Speaker 2>to keep that girl in a boat with an air propeller.

1333
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Boat is what it is. That is supposed to be

1334
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a hovercraft of some kind, So it's the sequence. First

1335
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.720
<v Speaker 2>of all, look the visual effect we eventually get of

1336
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:14.319
<v Speaker 2>the model of a boat flying through the city. That's ridiculous.

1337
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But much worse is the boat that they have suspended

1338
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:22.680
<v Speaker 2>or not on set, where they just keep doing random

1339
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:27.000
<v Speaker 2>racked close ups of the people in the boat, and

1340
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.720
<v Speaker 2>we get the idea that it's floating. Maybe, I guess

1341
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:33.000
<v Speaker 2>just my character standing and looking up at something. Oh

1342
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.920
<v Speaker 2>my god, this is how you ended your movie.

1343
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:40.319
<v Speaker 3>It was a bummer. There's no satisfying climax to any

1344
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.199
<v Speaker 3>of this. I'm fine with the idea that Kingpin escapes.

1345
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 3>That gives you a cliffhanger that you can hang your

1346
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:51.239
<v Speaker 3>perspective back door pilot on. But yeah, it was it

1347
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.079
<v Speaker 3>should have. If you have the Hulk, if you have

1348
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.039
<v Speaker 3>somebody like the Hulk, like a loof for Rigno, why

1349
01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:00.680
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't you have a real climactic fight, have him go

1350
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.760
<v Speaker 3>toe to toe with Fisk. Maybe Fisk has a secret

1351
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 3>weapon that he has to go up against. Maybe I

1352
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:08.119
<v Speaker 3>don't know, techno.

1353
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Just give him some sort of mech suit.

1354
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. It's just

1355
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.479
<v Speaker 3>such a missed opportunity here.

1356
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 2>I did have a good time watching this. I do

1357
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:21.199
<v Speaker 2>think that Rex Smith is a better actor than I

1358
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:23.920
<v Speaker 2>gave him any credits for. I do think Luf Forigno

1359
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.039
<v Speaker 2>was a fucking amazing Hulk, and I liked.

1360
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.279
<v Speaker 3>Bill bicks Amen to all of those things. I came

1361
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 3>into this just like you said, I wasn't really looking

1362
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.399
<v Speaker 3>forward because my memory of it wasn't all that positive.

1363
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.600
<v Speaker 3>And although a lot of that was born out, I

1364
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.479
<v Speaker 3>was pleasantly surprised by, like you said, by Rex Smith,

1365
01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Speaker 3>by how nice it was to see Luf Forregno doing

1366
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:48.520
<v Speaker 3>his thing. It's nothing that I'm eager to revisit anytime soon,

1367
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:50.479
<v Speaker 3>but I was happy to watch.

1368
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 2>It, and it hearkens back to a time when the

1369
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Hulk was a monster of rage who was uncontrollable and

1370
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:01.680
<v Speaker 2>just fucked shit up. And that's what we loved about him,

1371
01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that that.

1372
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Was his defining characteristic. That's why having him have banners

1373
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:13.439
<v Speaker 3>intellect in the Avengers movies was It's an interesting choice.

1374
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:18.239
<v Speaker 3>But do we really need a brainy, smart Hulk or

1375
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.319
<v Speaker 3>do we really want that uncontrolled rage monster.

1376
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I think we can have both. We can well, sir,

1377
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.359
<v Speaker 2>there are many Hulks out there now. We've got a

1378
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:30.039
<v Speaker 2>she Hulk, We've got a Red Hulk, got a regular Hulk.

1379
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.039
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have all sorts of Hulks. Once we get

1380
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.399
<v Speaker 2>to Battle World, it's going to be Hulk City. Man

1381
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Hulk has a sun and that.

1382
01:13:37.319 --> 01:13:39.439
<v Speaker 3>Would be very cool. But I think maybe something is

1383
01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:43.640
<v Speaker 3>a little lost when you don't have that angry Hulk

1384
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:49.000
<v Speaker 3>just with unreasoning rage, because there's something dangerous about him,

1385
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.399
<v Speaker 3>and there's something I don't know, endearing about the Banner's dilemma.

1386
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I think when you defang the Hulk, I think maybe

1387
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:56.039
<v Speaker 3>something's lost.

1388
01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I would love to take one of the episodes of

1389
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the television series and rewrite it in a modern setting

1390
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 2>with modern values. I think any episode chosen would basically

1391
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.279
<v Speaker 2>be Banner gets kicked around for forty five minutes, the

1392
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Hulk hulks out and destroys the entire town, and then

1393
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:16.680
<v Speaker 2>he moves on.

1394
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:22.479
<v Speaker 3>He's this agent of a murder and death. He's like

1395
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the Grim Reaper. He comes to your town and that's

1396
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the Hulk Man.

1397
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And you know they've started shit with him there, so

1398
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what turned him into the Hulk. And then they're

1399
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 2>just going to keep coming at him they always do

1400
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:33.319
<v Speaker 2>at the end of every episode. But he's not going

1401
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:34.880
<v Speaker 2>to just run for the hills at the end. He's

1402
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:36.560
<v Speaker 2>going to fucking destroy everything in sight.

1403
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 3>There was a comic, a series of comics called Grand

1404
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Design that Marvel put out. They did one for the

1405
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 3>X Men. They did one for Fantastic Four, and they

1406
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.000
<v Speaker 3>also did one for The Hulk, and basically what they

1407
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.439
<v Speaker 3>are that were limited series that are trying to put

1408
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:54.319
<v Speaker 3>the entire history of that character into context. Right, because

1409
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.159
<v Speaker 3>when you think about it, the X Men, their history

1410
01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.560
<v Speaker 3>from like the sixties till now is crazy. So the

1411
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.159
<v Speaker 3>idea of making sense of it and giving it a

1412
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:07.000
<v Speaker 3>linear progression was really appealing. The thing with the Hulk

1413
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.399
<v Speaker 3>was when you see all the stuff that happens to

1414
01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 3>the Hulk over time, it's basically just the same repeating

1415
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.640
<v Speaker 3>pattern of the Hulk is angry, he's misunderstood, he's banished,

1416
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:22.520
<v Speaker 3>or attempts are made on his life, and this just

1417
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:25.880
<v Speaker 3>keeps happening, Like eventually people come around, they think he's

1418
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 3>a good guy, and then something happens outside of his control.

1419
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.840
<v Speaker 3>By the way, this is never the Hulk's fault. It's

1420
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.960
<v Speaker 3>always somebody making him do things or forcing him to

1421
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:39.199
<v Speaker 3>do things. So it's this endless progression of Hulk's good

1422
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Everyone hates the Hulk, he's banished, rinse, repeat, So it's

1423
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.880
<v Speaker 3>no wonder that the Hulk in the comic book is

1424
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:53.279
<v Speaker 3>oftentimes like depressed, angry, upset because he's being endlessly ostracized

1425
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.920
<v Speaker 3>and excluded from society that was.

1426
01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, baited into usefulness for them.

1427
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:04.479
<v Speaker 3>That's when he's not being pushed into rage. He's being

1428
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:10.159
<v Speaker 3>used to further someone else's agenda, usually with disastrous consequences

1429
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:10.680
<v Speaker 3>for the Hulk.

1430
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:13.600
<v Speaker 2>It's a great book, really good book that sounds like

1431
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:17.640
<v Speaker 2>it would make a really good movie. Marvel anyway, HP,

1432
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.119
<v Speaker 2>when you're not here talking about I don't know how

1433
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:22.720
<v Speaker 2>we even Oh, we ended up here because of the

1434
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Daredevil sort of crossover. But this is weird. I can't

1435
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.319
<v Speaker 2>even call this an anthologies attack. This is straight up

1436
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:30.720
<v Speaker 2>midnight doing anyway, HP, when you're not here helping me

1437
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.359
<v Speaker 2>talk about Daredevil in all of his guyses. Where can

1438
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:35.680
<v Speaker 2>people find you?

1439
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:38.199
<v Speaker 3>You can find me. I am the co host of

1440
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:41.960
<v Speaker 3>The Night Mister Walters, a taxi podcast with my esteemed

1441
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:46.279
<v Speaker 3>co host Father Malone, getting prepped for season three. Lookout

1442
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 3>for that. I'm also in a case I also excuse me.

1443
01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I also produce the Noise Junkies music podcast that's been

1444
01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:58.880
<v Speaker 3>going well. Check that out. I also am an occasional

1445
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:03.239
<v Speaker 3>guest of the Culture Asked with Chris Dashu and if

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01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.840
<v Speaker 3>that weren't enough. I have a bandcampsite hpmusicplaces dot bandcamp

1447
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:10.600
<v Speaker 3>dot com. I've just released a new album called Wired

1448
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<v Speaker 3>and Waiting. It's full of all sorts of eighties synth goodness.

1449
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Check that out if you like. And that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm up to. There you go check all those things out.

1451
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:22.239
<v Speaker 2>As for me. If you want to support this show,

1452
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<v Speaker 2>head over to Patreon dot com. Slash Father Malone. Subscribers

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<v Speaker 2>get episodes early and commercial free, and you get bonus

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<v Speaker 2>shows like cable Box Theater, which hBN I do over there.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, we're taking on Pee Wee's It's the Pewe

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<v Speaker 2>Herban Show. It's not Pee Wee's Playhouse, it's the original

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<v Speaker 2>show from nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty one over on HBO.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be over on the Patreon channel. If money's tight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it is, you can still help us

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<v Speaker 2>out by subscribing, or liking or five starring us or

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<v Speaker 2>giving us a good review. That would all be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Tune in next Friday for midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology Podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>where we are taking a look at Tams of the

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Side Season three, episodes seven and eight. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>Heretic and a Serpent's Tooth. Those are both really good episodes. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>until next time, try to enjoy the daylight

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